SERENATESERENATEWhat’s the idea?What’s the idea?

David WilliamsDavid Williams

CERN, also President TERENACERN, also President TERENA

SERENATE Initial WorkshopSERENATE Initial Workshop

17 September 200217 September 2002

TopicsTopics

What is SERENATE about?What is SERENATE about? Structure and timescalesStructure and timescales How you may be able to help the studyHow you may be able to help the study This workshopThis workshop What’s changing around R&E networkingWhat’s changing around R&E networking My view of some of the strategic questions My view of some of the strategic questions

What is SERENATE about?What is SERENATE about?

The acronymThe acronym

SERENATE = SERENATE = SStudy into tudy into EEuropean uropean RResearch and esearch and EEducation ducation NNetworking etworking aas s TTargeted by argeted by eeEuropeEurope

Funded as an EC project – FP5Funded as an EC project – FP5 Looking at the strategic needs, say up to 5 years Looking at the strategic needs, say up to 5 years

aheadahead NOTNOT about making detailed plans about making detailed plans

Who are the partners?Who are the partners?

Academia EuropaeaAcademia Europaea Centre for Tele-informatics (CTI), Technical Centre for Tele-informatics (CTI), Technical

University of DenmarkUniversity of Denmark DANTEDANTE European Science FoundationEuropean Science Foundation TERENA (coordinating partner)TERENA (coordinating partner)

anticipating considerable involvement of the anticipating considerable involvement of the NRENs, and hopefully of other actors, including NRENs, and hopefully of other actors, including end-users and industry end-users and industry

Steering CommitteeSteering Committee

Bonac - ARNES - chairs “geographic” break-out groupBonac - ARNES - chairs “geographic” break-out group Butterworth - AE – chairs “research users”Butterworth - AE – chairs “research users” Davies - DANTE – chairs “technical”Davies - DANTE – chairs “technical” Jaume - RENATER - chairs “other users”Jaume - RENATER - chairs “other users” Liello - chair NREN ConsortiumLiello - chair NREN Consortium Mayer - ESFMayer - ESF Skouby - CTI – chairs “economics”Skouby - CTI – chairs “economics” Vietsch - TERENA Vietsch - TERENA WilliamsWilliams

Route to more information?Route to more information?

http://www.serenate.orghttp://www.serenate.org– Public pagesPublic pages– Also working areas for each work packageAlso working areas for each work package

mailto:info@serenate.orgmailto:info@serenate.org

Structure and TimescalesStructure and Timescales

The EU projectThe EU project

Runs from 1 May 2002 for 15 months, so until 31 July 2003Runs from 1 May 2002 for 15 months, so until 31 July 2003 Comprises 14 areas of work, including workshops, studies and Comprises 14 areas of work, including workshops, studies and

report writingreport writing

WorkshopsWorkshops

Initial workshop (17-18 Sept 2002)Initial workshop (17-18 Sept 2002) Operators’ views on infrastructure status and evolution (8 Nov Operators’ views on infrastructure status and evolution (8 Nov

2002, Amsterdam)2002, Amsterdam) User needs and priorities (17-19 Jan 2003, Montpellier)User needs and priorities (17-19 Jan 2003, Montpellier) Possible models for the future (4-5 Feb 2003, t.b.d.)Possible models for the future (4-5 Feb 2003, t.b.d.) Final workshop (~May-June 2003)Final workshop (~May-June 2003)

ReportsReports A report will be generated after each workshop (see A report will be generated after each workshop (see

previous slide for list) PLUSprevious slide for list) PLUS Deployment and trends in transport and infrastructure Deployment and trends in transport and infrastructure

market (~Nov 2002)market (~Nov 2002) Regulatory situation, especially for alternative approaches Regulatory situation, especially for alternative approaches

(~Nov 2002)(~Nov 2002) Equipment trends (~Dec 2002)Equipment trends (~Dec 2002) Telecoms market and infra deployment forecast (~Feb Telecoms market and infra deployment forecast (~Feb

2003)2003) Possible infrastructure scenarios (~Feb 2003)Possible infrastructure scenarios (~Feb 2003) Overall strategic plan – input to Final Workshop (~May Overall strategic plan – input to Final Workshop (~May

2003)2003)

Other areas of workOther areas of work Education and other fields (libraries, healthcare….)Education and other fields (libraries, healthcare….) Geographic coverageGeographic coverage

These break out groups need to think about what is These break out groups need to think about what is needed for SERENATE conclusions, and how to arrive needed for SERENATE conclusions, and how to arrive there….there….

How you may be able to help the How you may be able to help the studystudy(skip)(skip)

This workshopThis workshop

Who are you?Who are you?

People recommended to us as being interested in the People recommended to us as being interested in the topictopic

From all “backgrounds” (operate nets, fund nets, sell From all “backgrounds” (operate nets, fund nets, sell equipment or services for nets, use nets, …..)equipment or services for nets, use nets, …..)

And able to talk and interactAnd able to talk and interact Many people that you didn’t meet before. Please talk Many people that you didn’t meet before. Please talk

to them, and not to the people that you do know!to them, and not to the people that you do know! Too long for everyone to introduce themselves in this Too long for everyone to introduce themselves in this

sessionsession Do that in the break-out sessionsDo that in the break-out sessions

Pleas for the speakersPleas for the speakers

Not everyone listens to rapid-fire English every day. Not everyone listens to rapid-fire English every day. Please speak reasonably slowly and enunciate as Please speak reasonably slowly and enunciate as clearly as you can!clearly as you can!

Remember to send Raquel a copy of your Remember to send Raquel a copy of your presentationpresentation

Please keep to time …Please keep to time …

Please keep to time!Please keep to time!

Maybe I asked too many people to talkMaybe I asked too many people to talk But this represents the real complexity of the But this represents the real complexity of the

topics that we have to reflect ontopics that we have to reflect on The timeslots (many of 10’ and 15’) are ALL-The timeslots (many of 10’ and 15’) are ALL-

INCLUSIVE of time for introductions and questionsINCLUSIVE of time for introductions and questions And the coffee-breaks are tightAnd the coffee-breaks are tight But lots of time for discussion this evening and But lots of time for discussion this evening and

tomorrowtomorrow

Break-out groupsBreak-out groups

We will be in this Auditorium until ~18.00, when We will be in this Auditorium until ~18.00, when we break into smaller groupswe break into smaller groups

The rooms for those groups are half-way back to The rooms for those groups are half-way back to the main entrance (just left into Building 2)the main entrance (just left into Building 2)

Technical; Research Users; Other Users (schools, Technical; Research Users; Other Users (schools, libraries, healthcare); Geography; Economicslibraries, healthcare); Geography; Economics

You have been allocated to a break-out group – You have been allocated to a break-out group – look in your information package - unless you are look in your information package - unless you are deeply unhappy, please keep to your groupdeeply unhappy, please keep to your group

Other logisticsOther logistics

Dinner in restaurant at 20.00Dinner in restaurant at 20.00 Check out??Check out?? No smoking insideNo smoking inside

What’s changing around R&E What’s changing around R&E networking?networking?

The growth of opticalThe growth of optical Over long distances, photons are easier to herd and drive Over long distances, photons are easier to herd and drive

down fibres than electronsdown fibres than electrons Does that matter for our strategy? MaybeDoes that matter for our strategy? Maybe Because perhaps we are at the start of a move towards having Because perhaps we are at the start of a move towards having

the end-user exert more control over how they use the netthe end-user exert more control over how they use the net Several NRENs around the world are pushing in this directionSeveral NRENs around the world are pushing in this direction If you’re old enough to remember life before PCs were If you’re old enough to remember life before PCs were

obviously serious computers, this change has a familiar echo obviously serious computers, this change has a familiar echo to it.to it.

Personal networking?? Everyone has five wavelengths and Personal networking?? Everyone has five wavelengths and decides where they should be connected to (one to a well-decides where they should be connected to (one to a well-connected PoP, the others to their “busiest colleagues”) Is connected PoP, the others to their “busiest colleagues”) Is that a silly dream??that a silly dream??

Faster, more reliable, data transferFaster, more reliable, data transfer

Over last year, good signs that we finally start to Over last year, good signs that we finally start to understand what we need to do in order to transfer understand what we need to do in order to transfer data at MB/s.data at MB/s.

Rates of hundreds of MB/s across the Atlantic are Rates of hundreds of MB/s across the Atlantic are now being achieved “regularly”. How quickly will now being achieved “regularly”. How quickly will this become “normal” and “what we expect”??this become “normal” and “what we expect”??

Transmitting different thingsTransmitting different things

The move from text to graphics to audio, to video, to The move from text to graphics to audio, to video, to HDTV, to “virtual reality”. We’re a long way from any HDTV, to “virtual reality”. We’re a long way from any optimal use of digital transmission in research and optimal use of digital transmission in research and education (and libraries and healthcare) ….education (and libraries and healthcare) ….

But you need quality of service (it must work But you need quality of service (it must work smoothly and “all the time”) and wide availability smoothly and “all the time”) and wide availability before such new and advanced approaches reach before such new and advanced approaches reach “critical mass”“critical mass”

Access everywhereAccess everywhere

Still big battles over which technology; how much Still big battles over which technology; how much mobility; how it’s paid formobility; how it’s paid for

We now expect (hope?) to be able to access our e-We now expect (hope?) to be able to access our e-mail “everywhere”mail “everywhere”

And 7*24 access will become increasingly important And 7*24 access will become increasingly important for research and education (and healthcare!)for research and education (and healthcare!)

Authentication & authorisationAuthentication & authorisation

Partially linked to improving access, and partially Partially linked to improving access, and partially related simply to “distributed computing which really related simply to “distributed computing which really works”, we need to know who is connecting, and works”, we need to know who is connecting, and decide that they are allowed accessdecide that they are allowed access

Many issues of privacy and how society wishes to Many issues of privacy and how society wishes to regulate itselfregulate itself

Need to avoid “10-20 credit card syndrome”Need to avoid “10-20 credit card syndrome” Will need major collaboration among universities, Will need major collaboration among universities,

NRENs, GEANT, Grids, governments, etc..NRENs, GEANT, Grids, governments, etc.. A pan-European issue if I ever saw one, and if A pan-European issue if I ever saw one, and if

researchers are to become “mobile” and the ERA a researchers are to become “mobile” and the ERA a realityreality

Some of the strategic questionsSome of the strategic questions(personal view)(personal view)

Strategic assumptionsStrategic assumptions

Three-level model (or is it four?, or five?)Three-level model (or is it four?, or five?)– CampusCampus– National (and often also regional) infrastructure – NRENNational (and often also regional) infrastructure – NREN– European interconnectEuropean interconnect– [Pan-continental][Pan-continental]

Strategic questions (1/3)Strategic questions (1/3) Nature of NRENs – how much technical expertise? – how much Nature of NRENs – how much technical expertise? – how much

direct responsibility for operation?direct responsibility for operation? Move from “best efforts IP” to multi-service networking – with a Move from “best efforts IP” to multi-service networking – with a

huge number of “end-to-end” services going across multiple huge number of “end-to-end” services going across multiple organisational boundariesorganisational boundaries

Especially because of the three layers (campus, NREN, European Especially because of the three layers (campus, NREN, European interconnect) – hard to balance need for local autonomy interconnect) – hard to balance need for local autonomy (“subsidiarity”) with the need for coherent high-quality “end-to-(“subsidiarity”) with the need for coherent high-quality “end-to-end” performance.end” performance.

eeEurope and ERA looking for “equality of opportunity” for Europe and ERA looking for “equality of opportunity” for researchers across different countries in Europeresearchers across different countries in Europe– Should people with (much) higher costs have to pay higher charges?Should people with (much) higher costs have to pay higher charges?– How could we alleviate discrepancies?How could we alleviate discrepancies?– What cost-sharing models can be recommended?What cost-sharing models can be recommended?

Strategic questions (2/3)Strategic questions (2/3) Are present economic assumptions likely to evolve smoothly, or be Are present economic assumptions likely to evolve smoothly, or be

disrupted?disrupted?– Optical fibre developments Optical fibre developments much more bandwidth much more bandwidth– A few examples of NRENs “owning” their own infrastructure – good idea A few examples of NRENs “owning” their own infrastructure – good idea

or not?or not?– Have already been disrupted by the shake-out? What next??Have already been disrupted by the shake-out? What next??

NRENs traditionally worked with tertiary education – to what extent NRENs traditionally worked with tertiary education – to what extent should they become involved with primary and secondary should they become involved with primary and secondary education? And what about 168/7 coverage (student lodging and education? And what about 168/7 coverage (student lodging and week-end coverage) for higher education students?week-end coverage) for higher education students?

How should NRENs react to How should NRENs react to eeEurope Action Plan?Europe Action Plan?– Council requested Commission to study higher speeds and connecting Council requested Commission to study higher speeds and connecting

schools and libraries – SERENATE is part of that workschools and libraries – SERENATE is part of that work– In general - keep proposing ambitious goalsIn general - keep proposing ambitious goals

Strategic questions (3/3)Strategic questions (3/3) What are networking needs of FP6 and the ERA? Are we addressing the What are networking needs of FP6 and the ERA? Are we addressing the

proposals made in the Harbour Report?proposals made in the Harbour Report? What is the proper geographical extent of the “Europe” that the NRENs What is the proper geographical extent of the “Europe” that the NRENs

should feel concerned by?should feel concerned by? How can Europe obtain proper intercontinental connectivity – again How can Europe obtain proper intercontinental connectivity – again

reflecting on the need for “end-to-end” services? Are there proposals that reflecting on the need for “end-to-end” services? Are there proposals that could help?could help?

The really key issues?The really key issues?(again – personal view)(again – personal view)

What (I guess) really matters?What (I guess) really matters?

Will we be able to buy all the services that we need from Will we be able to buy all the services that we need from commercial ISPs any year soon? commercial ISPs any year soon? I guess NOI guess NO

How much (if anything) does optics change things? What’s How much (if anything) does optics change things? What’s the nature of that change??the nature of that change??

How do we handle the “broadening of the community”? How do we handle the “broadening of the community”? Linked to financial model??Linked to financial model??

European nets presently in a rather good state. Wasn’t European nets presently in a rather good state. Wasn’t always like that. What do we need to do to keep our R&E always like that. What do we need to do to keep our R&E networking competitive? Three-level investments?? networking competitive? Three-level investments?? Support for end-to-end servicesSupport for end-to-end services

How can we create “equality of opportunity” across such a How can we create “equality of opportunity” across such a diverse set of countries?diverse set of countries?

HOW DO WE PLAN TO FUND THIS??HOW DO WE PLAN TO FUND THIS??