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Posted Sep 19, 2006 @ 2:23 pm

EDTGun Clauses in Rental Agreements

Let me say I was a good boy and searched first on this and there is no

threads except one about public housing.

In a different thread, BigDaddy5 wrote something that got my interest:

"I've been carrying in Seattle for several months. The only problem I had

was when I interacted with my landlord, who tried to have me evicted

because of it. But since her parenting company not only permits it, butincludes regulations for firearms in their lease agreement, she couldn't do

it. "

(good thing she is getting parenting, she should get some analysis also for

her hoplophobia.)

This is interesting because I read my lease agreements (both of them) and

I haven't had one talking about firearms at all. How often do rental

agreements make some sort of regulation on the ownership of firearms bythe renter?

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Its been a while since ive read mine over, but it says something to theeffect of pretty much " no guns allowed". I still carry and keep my guns

here. what they dont know wont hurt them, and if they want to try and

evict me for it, fine, i'll spend my rent money with a gun friendly

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Posted Sep 19, 2006 @ 3:00 pm

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Rental agreements.....................

I think you brought up a good point. What it should come down to is,

what does your state constitution say? If it guarantees your right to keepand bear arms this would probably put your landlord behind the 8 ball.

You could probably even take legal action against them. Since there's

nothing in the agreement you are no doubt on firm ground.

Granted rentals are private property, but they sure couldn't specify whatyou can say or what church you go to. Also as a tenant you have specific

rights.

If it weren't for guns, we'd be British......

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Virginia

VA specifically forbids this

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+55-248.9



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never seen such a clause
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-packingEmail I've rented many times over the years and never have I seen such a clause.

If I had seen one, I would demand that it be removed. If they refused, I'dgo elsewhere. Even if I didn't carry or own firearms, I'd object to stealth

attempts like this at infringing upon a citizen's right to self defense. I have

no desire to put my money into the pockets of an anti-gunner landlord.

Let him starve before he gets my hard-earned cash.

Having such a clause also makes it more probable that your premises will

be attacked. You are less safe than in another location. It doesn't take thebad guys long to figure out where they can be safer as they commit their

crimes. This is exactly why no school should ban firearms. Once you do,

that's exactly where the killers show up.

And you'll be the one getting sued by your landlord if you ever have to

defend your life. And the courts will probably be on his side because of

that clause.

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Posted Sep 19, 2006 @ 3:16 pm

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Thanks

I'm more interested if anyone has a restrictive clause in their rentalagreements. Figuring out if it is enforcable is more than I am willing to

think about.

I am surprised that the first response says that guns are not allowed in the

poster's agreement. I wonder how common this is. This is the USA after

all, and I would think that it would not be very common at all. How manyothers have a similar restriction?



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Posted Sep 20, 2006 @ 2:13 amEDT

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Heh, I saw this thread, and thought I'd chime in my experience in a littlemore detail...
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So, my former landlord's company required all residents to register theirweapons with the front desk. I, being a responsible gun owner, was

pleased that I had at least landed a company wasn't anti-gun in the heart

of Seattle.

So I took my proof of purchase, my CHL (just incase), my weapon's

storage case (because the agreement stipulated I may have to show that, if

asked) and the 92FS, and I went up to the front office.

I went in there with the agreement subsection memorized, and asked

about it. The look on her face was classic. She fumbled around her wordsfor a while, and said she'd have to look it up. I directed her to the section

she needed, and she went to read it. She came back and asked for

everything, still fairly uneasy.

Keep in mind, she's a German national, so I don't completely fault her, asa handgun there is very rare.

Well, she asked for the proof of ownership, so I gave her the receipt.

Then she asked for my "gun license." I explained to her multiple times

that owning a firearm doesn't require a license in the United States. Aftertrying calmly to explain, I produced my CHL. She photocopied

everything, then examined my weapon's case.

I thought everything was over after that.

Weeks later, my roommate (pdo member mhawk) was hired as amaintenance worker, and began to talk to his supervisor. Turns out,immediatly afterwards, my landlord tried to ask the police for advice on

how to evict me. Apparently the police told her they can't do anything,

since I did everything in accordance to the lease agreement. She then rana background check on me, which obviously turned up clean. Current

rumors from the office have said that she has been pushing for the

management company to completely ban firearms in the apartmentcomplex.

mhawk grabbed a lot of the paperwork out of my file for me, after he told

me what he saw. I didn't want to leave there with my CHL and seriel #'son file.

I have to say, after this experience, I think I'm just gonna keep my mouthshut about this. I'm now moving to Eastern Washington, so a little less

gunaphobic, but even still, you never know.

Honestly, one of the only reasons I registered my handgun with them was


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because one of the roommates I was living with was a total douchebag,

and would have ratted me out if he knew I had a weapon that wasunregistered with them. Turns out, he never knew I had one, even after I

open carried in a military issue holster, and a kydex paddle holster, in

front of him. Oh, well, hindsight...

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Posted Sep 20, 2006 @ 3:41 am

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Never

I never ever saw any clause about firearms ownership in all my years of

renting an apartment. All they did was check my background, especially

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Posted Sep 20, 2006 @ 5:36 am

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Landlord issues

One of my friends is facing living in a "gun free" rental house that's in the

lease agreement. Of course, I find out about this a WEEK before theywere going to move in, and they've already signed the lease agreement for6 months. Ugh. I was mad as hell. Of course they are on their last ropes

and they had this hail mary house come across with this as the ONLY

problem, so they don't view it as a problem. Grrr.

Washington unfortunately affords no protection in this regard, unlike

Virginia and Minnesota and a few other states. I urged them to move outat the end of the 6 month term. Needless to say, I will be avoiding the

landlord and reporting them as an "anti-gun landlord" to some lists that I

know of.



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Any place that puts a clause such as that in a lease should be REQUIREDBY LAW to have a big, "This is a Gun Free Residence" (iow a big 'Please

Come Rob, Rape and Kill Us') sign at all entrances.

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Posted Sep 20, 2006 @ 11:43 am

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My central Las Vegas apt

When I was looking for a new apartment here in central las vegas, I

carried my 92FS openly on my hip in a holster. I had a lot of cash and

wasn't going to not carry because someone might get offended. Soanyways, I signed my lease while carrying.

Months later, I was getting my mail, when one of the security guardsapproached me. He wasn't really rude about anything, but told me that I

would need to get a written statement from the property manager

allowing my carrying. I told him that, I would talk to her about it but not

expect me to stop carrying if she didn't give consent. The manager prettymuch said her position will not allow her to sign such a document for

liability reasons, but as long as I didn't cause trouble, what she didn'tknow wouldn't hurt her.

The next week I spoke with the supervisor of the security group and he,

already knowing me, had absolutely no problems with my carrying. Hemore or less believes that I might come in handy if there is ever a shoot

out involving them and I am armed to offer assistance.


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7/7

Well, darn it, now I had to go and get my glasses to check out my ownlease.

I've only got a spotty re-re-re-copied version of it right now, but it looks

like I'm OK. There's a clause in it about observing all local PD, Fire, andMunicipal laws, either now in effect or enacted in future, and there's the

usual "nuisance clause," but nothing explicitly related to firearms. I

reckon if I fired a thirty--ought-six out my front door, I'd be in trouble.

It does talk about storing inflammables and the like, but I'm not sure what

that means --everybody's got charcoal starter and propane tanks, with noreaction from the managers. It talks about not driving nails into the wall,

but the manager has all kinds of stuff hung from his wall --presumably

they're magnetically suspended to avoid nails.

This is a standard lease form, available from most office supply stores,but I decline to mention the company which printed them or the form

number.

The upshot, I guess, is if you legally own firearms, any "anti-" clauses are

there more for moral suasion than anything else, and just provides anavenue for eviction if necessary. That's the "flavor" of the rest of the

boiler-plate restrictions.

I'm pretty circumspect about toting firearms anyhow, and only one trusted

person in the whole complex knows I have some. I even stick my long

arms in a curtain rod box to transport them out to the car, and I usually dothis in the dead of the night before I go to the range.

I got only one comment about how heavy my range bag looked (a big

leather traveling bag with five boxes of assorted ammo, plus guns) oncewhen I slung it over my shoulder and ventured out to my car.

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