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Q4’20 Earnings Call Full Transcript with Q&A

Kelsey Duffey: Good morning, I’m Kelsey Duffey, Vice President of Investor Relations at Walker & Dunlop, and I would like to welcome you to Walker & Dunlop’s Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Hosting the call today is Willy Walker, Walker & Dunlop Chairman and CEO. He is joined by Steve Theobald, Chief Financial Officer. Today’s call is being recorded, and a replay will be available via webcast on the Investor Relations section of our website.

At this time all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you have dialed into the call and would like to ask a question at that time, please press *9 on your touch tone phone. If are accessing the webcast on your computer, please click the “Raise Hand” icon on the bottom menu bar of the webcast screen.

This morning, we posted our earnings release and presentation to the Investor Relations section of our website, www.walkerdunlop.com. These slides serve as a reference point for some of what Willy and Steve will touch on during the call.

Please also note that we will reference the non-GAAP financial metric, adjusted EBITDA, during the course of this call. Please refer to the earnings release posted on our website for a reconciliation of this non-GAAP financial metric. Investors are urged to carefully read the forward-looking statements language in our earnings release. Statements made on this call which are not historical facts may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Forward-looking statements describe our current expectations, and actual results may differ materially. Walker & Dunlop is under no obligation to update or alter our forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. We expressly disclaim any obligation to do so. More detailed information about risk factors can be found in our annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC.

I will now turn the call over to Willy.

Willy Walker: Thank you Kelsey, and good morning everyone. Across almost every measure, 2020 was a year of record performance for Walker & Dunlop during a tremendously challenging year for our country and the world. The COVID pandemic and its far-reaching impact on jobs, the global economy, and the health of colleagues and loved ones was felt by all Americans. And the issues of racial justice and a tumultuous political season left enduring impacts on our society. Yet despite the many challenges that 2020 presented, the W&D team continued to step up for our clients, our communities, and one another every day. We remained focused on

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building the premier commercial real estate finance company in the United States while completing our ambitious 5-year growth plan, Vision 2020, and establishing even more ambitious targets for the next 5 years that I will outline during this call. After an exceedingly strong Q1, followed by the transition to remote work in Q2, the W&D team adapted to selling, underwriting, and closing financings and property sales in Q3 and Q4 to generate record total transaction volume of $41.1 billion for the year, up 29 percent from 2019. We closed out 2020 with record Q4 revenues of $350 million, up 61 percent year over year, pushing our annual total revenues to $1.1 billion. As long-term investors in Walker & Dunlop know, we have established bold, highly ambitious, five-year growth plans for our company, and in 2015 established the goal of more than doubling our revenues to $1 billion by 2020. As you can see on this slide, we grew total revenues at an impressive 18 percent compound annual growth rate over the 5-year period and grew debt financing volumes by a 17 percent compound annual growth rate to end 2020 at $35 billion. And our servicing portfolio more than doubled over the five-year period to $107 billion, a 16 percent CAGR. Finally, we grew our property sales business at a compound annual growth rate of 32 percent, and even with the pandemic-induced shutdown of property sales for most of Q2 and Q3, we increased our volume to $6.1 billion in 2020, a truly spectacular 14 percent growth rate over 2019. All of this growth and record transaction volume generated 2020 diluted earnings per share of $7.69, up 41 percent over 2019. As you can see on this slide, we have grown EPS at an impressive compound annual growth rate of 24 percent over the past 5 years while maintaining our weighted average diluted share count at around 31 million with less than 1 percent increase in diluted shares over the period due to prudent management of our share count. . And this consistent and dramatic growth in EPS, combined with annual increase to our dividend that Steve will mention momentarily, has driven Total Shareholder return of 46 percent over one year, 107 percent over three years, and 241 percent over five years, handily beating the market and our peer group. I have been told time and again that investors don’t care about what you did yesterday, only what you are going to do tomorrow. And while I both understand and appreciate that, I think it is extremely important for investors in Walker & Dunlop to hear and see the incredible compounding growth numbers of Walker & Dunlop over the past five years because while history rarely repeats itself, as Mark Twain once said, it does often rhyme. And as a high growth company, with a massive market opportunity and incredibly talented team of professionals, our growth over the coming years will continue to rhyme with the past. Driving our outperformance in 2020 was the combination of our exceptional people, expanding brand, and actionable technology, which all came together to transform our business and produce exceptional results. Despite the challenges presented by a remote work environment, our people continued to deliver and remained wildly productive. We just hired employee number 1,000 at Walker & Dunlop, and while we have added headcount over the past several years in conjunction with our dramatic growth in transaction volumes and servicing portfolio, we have maintained our industry-leading metric of over $1 million in revenue per employee. And while we now compete head-to-head with the largest commercial real estate finance and

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services firms, we have maintained the small company touch and feel that Walker & Dunlop was built upon by my grandfather and father. That combination -- of big company capabilities with small company touch and feel -- is a competitive advantage in the marketplace, which we aim to maintain going forward, whether we have 1,000 employees or 5,000 employees. As we have scaled our platform by bringing in the very best people in the industry, we have enhanced the way we interact with our clients via digital marketing and media, including the Walker Webcast. Not only does the Webcast reach thousands of clients each week, it has also expanded our digital marketing and social media presence dramatically, increasing our client reach, creating new digital relationships, and augmenting the personal relationships of our bankers and brokers. In total, the Walker Webcast has been watched by 240 thousand viewers and, combined with the “What Drives You” advertising campaign, thought leadership pieces, and PR outreach, has propelled the Walker & Dunlop brand across every channel. Our website traffic grew by 80 percent in 2020. Our email list grew by over 500 percent. And our PR media hits grew by over 400 percent last year, including an upswing in top-tier and broadcast media. Compared to last year, we are reaching an audience that is eight times larger overall, bolstering our brand as the premier commercial real estate finance company in the United States. Finally, our investments in actionable technology came to life in 2020. We began investing in databases several years ago, then acquired Enodo early in 2019 to apply machine learning to those databases, and then we turned that data over to our bankers and brokers. And the results, with regard to new clients and new transactions to Walker & Dunlop, have been truly amazing. While many of our competitor firms were refinancing their own loan portfolios as interest rates dropped at the onset of the pandemic, 66 percent of our 2020 refinancing volume was new loans to Walker & Dunlop. 66 percent! And while technology and talented bankers and brokers generated that growth with existing clients, it was the combination of great bankers and brokers, technology, and our expanding brand that allowed us to have 23 percent, of our total transaction volume in 2020 be with new clients to Walker & Dunlop who had never worked with us before. Those are pretty astounding numbers during a year when face-to-face meetings and the traditional sales channels and processes did not exist. That is the power of our people, brand, and technology, and it sets us up exceedingly well for continued growth for many years to come. I’m going to turn the call over to Steve to discuss our Q4 and annual financial performance in more details, and then I’ll come back to discuss our Drive to 2025 and what investors should expect to see over the coming years. Steve. Steve Theobald: Thank you, Willy, and good morning everyone. We ended 2020 with fantastic fourth quarter financial results, including record total transaction volume of $14.2 billion, up 45 percent year over year, and record earnings of $2.59 per share, up an astounding 93 percent over Q4 of 2019. Our full year transaction volume of $41.1 billion is 29 percent higher than 2019 while record full year earnings per share of $7.69 increased 41 percent over the prior year. The fact that these incredible results came in the midst of a pandemic are a true

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testament to the resiliency of our business model and the hard work and dedication of our team. Our strong performance in the quarter and year shine through in our key metrics. Operating margin in Q4 was 34 percent, well above our target range of 27 to 30 percent, leading to full year operating margin of 30 percent for 2020. Return on equity was 29 percent for the quarter and 23 percent for the full year, well above our annual goal of 18 to 20 percent. Personnel expense for the quarter was 45 percent of revenue, in line with Q4 of last year, and was 43 percent for the full year, just slightly higher than 2019’s 42 percent, due to growth in commission and bonus expense resulting from our phenomenal performance in 2020 Total transaction volume for the quarter included $2.8 billion of property sales volume, a 44 percent increase over last year and a quarterly record. This pick-up is notable given the challenging market dynamics that this part of our business faced in 2020 when the impacts of the pandemic caused buyers and sellers to exit the market for several months. Our record volume in the quarter is indicative of a return to a robust multifamily acquisitions market that has moved past the market disruption that began in mid-March. The attractiveness of multifamily assets will continue to drive investment into the space, and we expect to see a very healthy market and strong growth in multifamily property sales volume in 2021. Fourth quarter debt financing volume was led by Agency financing, including a record quarter of $844 million of lending with HUD. Debt brokerage volume totaled $3.8 billion, down 3 percent from Q4’19, but up significantly from the second and third quarters of 2020. This is another notable pickup in an area of our business that was very challenged for the better part of the year. We expect that our debt brokerage business will continue to gain momentum as we move into 2021 and are excited for what our team can accomplish. Based on the strength of our debt financing volume in 2020, we grew our servicing portfolio by nearly $14 billion, or 15 percent, to $107 billion as of December 31, 2020. As the portfolio has continued to grow, the contractual cash servicing fees have grown along with it to $236 million in 2020, up 10 percent from 2019. That growth rate accelerated as the year went on, with Q4 servicing fees increasing by 15 percent over last year to $63 million for the quarter. This acceleration was due in part to the strong volumes in the second half of the year, but is primarily the result of a sizeable increase in the average servicing fee for the portfolio to 24 basis points from 23.2 basis points at the beginning of the year. This increase is significant when you consider the overall size of our portfolio, and is worth more than $8.5 million of additional annual cash revenue on a portfolio of $107 billion. The combination of strong growth in both the portfolio and the weighted average servicing fee sets the stage for accelerated cash servicing fee growth in 2021. In addition, the mortgage servicing rights related to the portfolio now have a fair value of over $1 billion, reflective of the significant future cash flow streams we will receive from the portfolio beyond just the next year. I also want to mention one other item related to our servicing operation. During the fourth quarter, we made the decision to remain with our existing servicing technology vendor.

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Consequently, we ended our planned conversion to a new servicing system, resulting in a $5.8 million charge to expense that we took to the quarter related to the write-off of previously capitalized software costs and a termination payment on the contract. We do not expect to incur any additional costs associated with that contract going forward. During the fourth quarter we recorded additional provision for credit losses of $5.5 million. Just more than half of that expense was driven by the strong growth in the at-risk portfolio during the quarter while the other half relates to an increase in the specific reserves associated with the two student housing loans that defaulted in 2019 and our one interim loan that also defaulted in 2019. We delivered record earnings in a year in which we have taken provision expense of $37 million, $30 million more than in 2019. We have always prided ourselves on our exceptional, and relatively conservative credit culture, and the overall performance of our portfolio in 2020, with limited forbearance requests and no new defaults in our at-risk or interim portfolios, has been fantastic. However, COVID remains a significant uncertainty with respect to its impact on future employment levels and overall economic performance. As a result, we don’t believe any downward adjustment to our overall reserve balance is appropriate at this time. 2020 adjusted EBITDA of $215.8 million was down 13 percent from 2019, primarily due to a significant year-over-year decrease in escrow earnings resulting from historically low interest rates during the year. 2020’s low interest rate environment reduced our annual escrow earnings to $18 million compared to $57 million in 2019. As a reminder, we currently hold escrow deposits on loans that we service with an average balance of $2.8 billion, and we earn interest income tied to short term rates on these deposits. Every 25 basis point increase in the deposit rate translates into approximately $7 million of additional pre-tax earnings per year. We ended the year with $321 million of cash on the balance sheet. As shareholders in Walker & Dunlop know, we will continue to prioritize reinvesting our capital into the business to drive future growth opportunities. As you will hear shortly when Willy lays out our Drive to ’25 objectives, maintaining our growth trajectory and achieving these ambitious goals will require investments in bankers and brokers, new business areas, and technology. We feel that we are in a very strong financial position that will allow us to continue deploying capital into our growth initiatives while also returning capital to shareholders. To that end, our Board of Directors voted yesterday to increase our quarterly dividend payment to $0.50 per share, a 39 percent increase. This is our third annual increase since we initiated the dividend in February of 2018 at $0.25 per share, this results in a cumulative increase of 100 percent since we started the dividend. This is a strong growth rate that reflects our fantastic financial performance during that period. The current annualized dividend of $2.00 represents a payout ratio of 26 percent on 2020 net income and 29 percent on 2020 adjusted EBITDA, a level that we feel is appropriate given our expectations for continued growth in earnings and strong cash flow going forward. Finally, our Board authorized a share repurchase plan in the amount of $75 million to be executed over the next 12 months, giving us the ability to continue opportunistically buying back our stock.

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We feel very well positioned to keep growing our business in 2021 by continuing to hire great people, leveraging our unique brand, and making additional investments in technology, and we have established ambitious financial targets for the year. We are targeting double-digit growth in both earnings per share and adjusted EBITDA in 2021. Though we did not grow adjusted EBITDA at this rate in 2020, the increase in our servicing portfolio and average servicing fee during 2020, and our expectations for stronger debt brokerage and property sales volume in 2021, should positively impact EBITDA. And while we believe the Fed is likely to keep short term interest rates low for the foreseeable future, if there is any increase in short term rates, our adjusted EBITDA will benefit from the increased interest we would earn from our escrow deposits. We are raising our operating margin target range to 29 to 32 percent for 2021 and our return on equity target range to 19 to 22 percent for the year. During 2020 we saw operating margin and ROE expansion in our business as we realized economies of scale and continued to closely manage our people and expenses, even while some parts of our business were not operating at full efficiency. As a result, we raised the range for both metrics due to our expectations for continued growth in transaction volumes and particularly a return to normalcy in both debt brokerage and investment sales in 2021. With respect to the first quarter of 2021, remember that last year included $2.1 billion of the Southern Management transaction. Absent that, our pipeline compares favorably to Q1 2020 and the expected size of the market this year has us poised for another year of growth and financial success in 2021. I am extremely pleased with our financial performance this year and our team’s ability to come together during a difficult year to generate incredible results. I want to thank all of my colleagues at WD for all you did to make this year possible. We are moving into 2021 with a renewed sense of energy and purpose as we drive towards our next five-year financial targets. I am now going to turn the call back over to Willy to discuss these goals and our long-term outlook. Willy. Willy Walker: Thank you, Steve. We entered 2021 with strong momentum and confidence in our ability to deliver the ambitious financial targets that Steve just ran through. Multifamily has continued to outperform other commercial real estate asset classes in the pandemic and during this economic cycle. Americans feel more tied to their homes today than ever before and renters have gone to great lengths to continue making their rent payments and preserving their homes. On a recent Walker Webcast, Dr. Peter Linneman, when asked where he would invest $100 million today, said, “It’s a golden age for multifamily.” And while Walker & Dunlop’s market position in multifamily financing and sales is extremely strong, we also finance places where people work, shop, and play. When Owen Thomas, CEO of Boston Properties, was on the Walker Webcast in December, he was quite bullish that people will begin returning to the office in Q2 2021, and that while work-from-home will impact work schedules, it will not do away with the need for office space. Stephanie Linnartz, Group President of Marriott International, was on the Walker Webcast in mid-January and commented that hotel occupancy ended 2020 around 47 percent, and that while the annual projection for 2021 is in-line with 2020 around 50 percent, leisure travel could snap-back quickly once herd immunity is thought

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to be achieved. I would add that we believe work travel will snap back much quicker than currently anticipated. And just last week, we had John Furner, President and CEO of Walmart U.S. on the Walker Webcast to discuss the retail market. And while Walmart is working hard to compete with Amazon in online retail, John underscored the fact that in Q2 of 2020, at the height of the pandemic shutdown, only 16 percent of total U.S. retail sales were online, and that 84 percent of sales still ran through bricks-and-mortar stores. Online is growing fast, but the future of retail is clearly multichannel, not simply online. As all of these commercial asset classes evolve and recover from the pandemic, Walker & Dunlop bankers and brokers will be there to assist owners in implementing the proper financing strategy. We established the mission to become the premier commercial real estate finance company in the United States when we went public in 2010 with less than $100 million in revenues and a market capitalization of $220 million. Ten years later, we have revenues of over $1 billion, a market cap close to $3 billion, and yet the mission remains the same – we are just a heck-of-a-lot closer to achieving it. We rolled out to W&D employees and investors in early December our next five-year strategic plan, titled the Drive to ‘25. The components of the Drive to ’25 are to grow revenues to $2 billion by expanding our annual debt financing volumes to $65 billion; grow our servicing portfolio to over $160 billion; grow annual property sales volume to $25 billion; grow our fund management business to over $10 billion in assets under management; and the continued development of three new growth businesses -- small balance lending, our appraisal business Apprise, and investment banking. And while accomplishing these highly ambitious business goals, we will continue to be a leader with our Environmental, Social (which includes a heavy emphasis on gender and racial diversity and inclusion) and Governance efforts. In order to achieve these goals, we will continue to bring on the very best people to our platform, further expand our brand, and invest in innovative technology that will make us more insightful and efficient for our customers. To achieve $65 billion in annual debt financing, we will first become the largest multifamily lender in the country. Our $35 billion of debt financing in 2020 included $24.0 billion of direct multifamily lending. As shown on this slide, in 2019 we held the #5 spot in the multifamily lender rankings with $16.7 billion. As you can see, our 2020 volume of $24 billion would advance us to the #1 spot if the other lenders stood still or moved back in their lending volume during the year. The Mortgage Bankers Association rankings will be released in the next few weeks, but we do know from the release of the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac league tables last week that we have jumped ahead of Berkadia and Wells Fargo, and will wait to see what CBRE and JP Morgan did outside of the GSEs to see if we are #1, #2, or #3. Wherever we end up in the multifamily rankings for 2020, like all goals we establish at W&D, we will remain focused on advancing to the #1 position in the market. We will also continue to grow our debt brokerage platform that provides financing on all commercial property types using capital from banks, life insurance companies, CMBS conduits, and debt funds. As you just heard from Steve, we expect strong contributions from this area of our business in 2021 as the market recovers. Our 2025 property sales goal of $25 billion is very ambitious, but given the best-in-class platform we have established over the past five years, we are very excited about the growth

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potential in this line of business. There are geographies such as Phoenix, Denver, and Seattle where we need to add the very best multifamily property brokers available, as well as specialty products such as student housing, affordable housing, and built-for-rent properties that will complete our national footprint and add significant volume. We have seen our property sales and financing teams collaborate in spectacular fashion over the past several years to deliver value to our customers and revenues to Walker & Dunlop, and we expect to see this collaboration continue to grow over the coming years as volumes on both platforms expand dramatically. Finally, as our brand has expanded and our customer relationships have deepened, our clients have begun seeking new services that are complementary to our established commercial real estate finance and property sales capabilities. To meet this demand, we plan to build out investment banking capabilities that will allow us to help our clients value their platforms, raise more complex equity capital solutions, provide detailed market research, or raise equity that can be invested in their developments. Part of our investment banking strategy will involve continuing to grow our asset management business, Walker & Dunlop Investment Partners, to $10 billion of AUM by 2025. Our investment banking services and growth in our fund management business will provide us with both the expertise and access to capital to meet virtually any request that comes our way, making us a more valuable partner to our existing customer base, and attracting new clients along the way. If we achieve the component parts of the Drive to ’25 over the next five years, we will grow revenues to $2.0 billion and diluted earnings to $13 to $15 per share. It is incredibly exciting for me, having worked with our team over 15 years to establish three incredibly ambitious five-year growth plans that we all achieved, to re-set our sights on a new set of objectives that our team is already pursuing. As I have said before, history will not repeat itself, but with regard to Walker & Dunlop achieving long-term business and financial goals, it usually rhymes. And as we pursue these financial targets, we will continue to focus on Environmental, Social, and Governance or ESG issues. We take ESG extremely seriously at Walker & Dunlop and have invested for many years to be a leader in this space. On environmental issues, we have been carbon neutral for the past four years and have established concrete corporate goals to materially reduce our carbon emissions by 2025. On social, we have an extremely diverse employee base, have recruited from Historically Black Colleges for many years, and have established extremely ambitious and defined diversity and equality goals for women and minority representation in management and top wage earner positions by 2025. And we have tied those goals to our senior executives’ long-term compensation. And finally, our Governance has been exemplary. We have a very diverse board that has provided consistent and exceptional governance over Walker & Dunlop since the company went public in 2010, and have received the National Association of Corporate Directors’ highest ranking with regard to board performance. We will remain extremely focused on our ESG initiatives over the next five years and have incorporated quantitative metrics surrounding ESG objectives that we plan to achieve as part of the Drive to ’25.

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As we move into 2021, we feel very well positioned to continue growing and building out our platform to deliver double digit growth in EPS once again. We remain focused on hiring top bankers and brokers to the platform and expanding our client base as we were so successful in doing in 2020. We have every intention of maintaining our leadership position with the GSEs and are confident that, given the current low interest rate environment and attractiveness of multifamily, we will have another successful year of multifamily lending. As the multifamily acquisitions market continues to recover and more and more capital enters the space, we expect that previous investments in our property sales platform will drive significant volume growth in that business in the coming year. And as other asset classes begin to rebound, there will be a need for capital to office, retail and hospitality properties, and our debt brokerage platform will step up and meet the needs of our clients in these markets. Finally, we will be investing heavily in our emerging businesses, like our appraisal platform and small balance lending, that will be powered by technology and should become larger contributors to our top and bottom-line over time. All of this should make investors in Walker & Dunlop very excited for next year and our path to 2025. Before we conclude the call, I’d like to offer my sincerest gratitude to my 1000 colleagues at Walker & Dunlop for making 2020 the incredibly successful year that it was. We are still in the midst of a pandemic. Family and friends still run the risk of suffering from this deadly virus. And many people have been isolated for months, yearning for life to return to something close to normal. And yet we forge ahead, always focused on our customer and providing the very best service possible. Thank you, and may 2021 provide all of us with hope, and then joy, that things return to something much closer to the world we once knew. Many thanks to the analysts, investors, clients, and partners who joined us for this earnings call. My guests next week on the Walker Webcast are Michael Bush from the Great Place to Work® Institute and Gary Pinkus from McKinsey to discuss what makes great companies great. I hope many of you will join us for what should be a very insightful discussion. I’ll now ask the operator to open the line for questions.

Questions & Answers Kelsey Duffey: The floor is now open for questions. At this time if you're on your phone and have a question, please press star nine or if you're on your computer please click the raise hand icon at the bottom of your webcast screen. Our first question comes from Jade Rahmani at KBW. Willy Walker: Can’t hear you yet Jade. Jade Rahmani (KBW): Sorry, can you hear me now. Willy Walker: Yes, we can.

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Jade Rahmani: Okay, thank you very much. What an interesting year 2020 was and successful year for Walker & Dunlop really proving out the strength of the company's platform. At this point, our estimates for the company's cash earnings, and apples to apples EBITDA, with some of the Siri brokerage firms we compare the company to, we believe Walker Dunlop is trading at a premium to its peers. So I was wondering Willy if you could provide any thoughts as to whether this currency presents any interesting M&A opportunities or you know, given the spotty track record that we've seen in the Siri brokered space with respect to M&A whether you think investing in internal growth opportunities, strategic initiatives, and other internal Walker & Dunlop that capabilities, is more of a priority? Willy Walker: So thanks for joining us this morning Jade. I would say, given our growth rates, which I ran through in quite some detail, that per year use premium multiple is very much warranted. I would say in comparison to the S&P 500 Financials which we are part of we're still trading at quite a significant discount to many of the financial services institutions in that index and our growth rates are wildly greater than the index average. So, I would say, we still have plenty of multiple expansion to come our way, given how well we have performed. The second part to your question is would we use our stock as currency in an M&A transaction. Look, we'll use debt, will use cash, and will use equity, to the degree that we need to depending on what the acquisition looks like and how big it is. What I would say to you is that we have watched competitor after competitor come into this space try and bring together investment sales and banking, investment banking, big banks with big balance sheets, big brokerage firms with big brokerage volumes, and what we've seen is we've just continued to grow faster than all of them. And many, many of them had much, much bigger brands than Walker & Dunlop did when we started this charge towards trying to get to the top of the league tables and then solidify our position as one of the very largest multifamily lenders in the country. And as the slide that I showed we ended last year at number five, we may be number one, maybe number two, or maybe number three, but we're right up there with the biggest brands in the world, in this line of business. So, I think at the end of the day we feel great about where things are. But I would also reiterate the point that our growth numbers are outstanding and we will continue to drive growth at W&D to outperform and carry a multiple that is very much higher than the competition. Steve Theobald: And Willy, if you don't mind, I'll jump in. Jade, the other thing I would say is given the cash balances that we're carrying as you would expect our bias is going to be to use cash from an acquisition perspective, as we have done, you know, over the last many years, and where we use stock is to drive alignment with the acquired company, as opposed to, because we need to use stock to do the transaction. Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. GSE volumes totaled close to $160 billion in 2020 which was up 7 percent but this did include the first quarter and third quarters which declined on a year over year basis by 20 to 30 percent and then growth serge by over 70 percent in the fourth quarter for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as a capital provider overall. What would you expect for 2021? You did mention you expect property sales/investment sales for W&D to be up

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meaningfully. You mentioned that brokerage volume which is non-GSE would be up meaningfully. What do you think the GSE volumes for WD will be up for 2021? Willy Walker: So, as you saw Jade, we came in number one with Fannie Mae by a very wide margin, almost double the volume of the number two lender. And we came in number four with Freddie Mac on a combined basis. We are the second largest lender with both Fannie and Freddie. We have firmly entrenched ourselves at the top of the league tables. We came in $400 million behind CBRE. CBRE did $20 billion we did $19.6 billion. Quite honestly, when I started in this business, the idea that we would be $400 million behind CBRE, in aggregate agency lending, was little more than a dream. And so, I don't have a number for you Jade. What we do know is that we have a reputation and brand in this space as one of the very, very best, if not the best agency lender in the country. And so, as a result of that we’ll continue to ride that brand and we will continue to meet our client’s expectations. As you well know, the agencies have plenty of capital to lend in 2021 and we feel very, very good that not only with agency capital, but with HUD capital, with capital markets capital from CMBS and banks and life insurance companies. With capital from our joint venture with Blackstone. With capital from our balance sheet. And from capital from third parties that we have raised at Walker & Dunlop Investment Partners, we have all the capital, we need to meet pretty much any requirement that a multifamily borrower might have. Jade Rahmani: And when you say as investors think about modeling coming earnings for the company as we as analysts to do so as well, should we be thinking about growth accelerating in the other business lines? In the brokerage business, in investment sales? Some of these new initiatives? Investment banking, single-family rental which I believe you announced an initiative and build to rent and model the GSE volumes to be flattish, maybe some growth in Freddie Mac? How do you think we should be thinking about that trajectory? Willy Walker: So, I would say a couple things. First of all, our growth has outpaced, you're asking for my analyst position, our growth has outpaced our analyst’s expectations for years. So, I don't really know how to respond to your question specifically because analysts have thought that we would grow slower than we have, and we've grown significantly faster. The second thing is our brand, people, and technology is a flywheel right now. We're seeing that accelerate. We're seeing our growth. We put up numbers today, not only the financial performance but in the breadth of our brand and then the investments in technology that have resulted in new clients to Walker & Dunlop, and new loans to Walker & Dunlop, that is unprecedented. So yeah, I think, to the point that you're asking, should we be thinking that Walker & Dunlop continues to grow. Steve put up a slide Jade, that talked through what we're expecting as it relates to EBITDA growth, EPS growth, operating margin growth, we took all of the metrics up as it relates to ROE and operating margin so I'm not sure what more you or other analysts need to know as far as our outlooks, other than our reiteration of double digit growth in EPS and earnings, and a rising in our operating metrics as it relates to operating margin and return on equity.

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Jade Rahmani: Okay um, I guess, I will get back in the queue just to make time for other folks to ask questions, but thanks so much. Willy Walker: Really appreciate it. Thank you. Kelsey Duffey: Thank you Jade. Our next question comes from Henry Coffey with Wedbush. Willy Walker: Henry, I think you're on mute Henry. I can see you. You're on the webcast but you're muted right now. Henry Coffey (Wedbush): How's that. Willy Walker: That's it, you're off. Henry Coffey: Congratulations, what a year, great results. Just an amazing transformation both in terms of earnings and culture and stock price and it’s been an amazing year. When we look outside of the GSE core of… you've got a whole bunch of businesses that are going to probably add to your diversity and add to the more durable side of some of these assets. Can you talk about things like expected growth in the investment business, servicing platform, the ability perhaps to expand the servicing business, you know beyond what you do with the GSEs. I guess, I want to, what I'm talking about is the less transactional side of the business, and I know that's been an important area of growth, but you know, can you kind of add some commentary there for us? Willy Walker: So let me start an I’ll turn it over Steve in a second. As it relates to the transaction side of the business because those first couple of questions we're focused on that. Look, Kris Mikkelson who runs our investment sales platform has done just a spectacular job of scaling that platform and bringing on the very, very best multifamily investment sales professionals and Greg Engler whose company we acquired back in 2015 has been a component part of all of that success. And I'm deeply thankful to both of them and the way they've built that platform, the quality of people they brought on, allowed as you saw Henry when we ran through the growth numbers, the business that grew the fastest over the last five years was that line of business. The second thing is on our debt brokerage business, Steve talked about it, I underscored it, you have to remember that Q1 of 2020 was our best capital markets quarter ever and that's because we had not only expanded the platform across the country but we brought across an exceptional team in New York that really brought a huge amount of additional volume to us in Q1. The market basically shut down in that line of businesses. Life insurance companies and CMBS and banks pulled back in Q2. They started to work back into the market in Q3 and we started to see something normalizing in Q4. But as Steve said, we have great expectations that that line of business with the team that we have on the field will be able to grow dramatically in the coming years.

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And then, as it relates to the size and scale of the servicing portfolio and our escrow earnings, I think Steve ran through that pretty clearly. We don't service loans for third parties. But we have an incredible platform that could do that if we wanted to, but all the collateral in that servicing portfolio are loans that Walker & Dunlop has originated. And then, as Steve also pointed out, escrow earnings were down very significantly in 2020 and as interest rates move back up at some time, we will pick up the benefit of those escrow earnings coming into us. Steve you wanna talk about anything else from kind of non-transaction income? Steve Theobald: Yeah, I was going to just mention. Henry so whether it's non-transaction or otherwise, you know the businesses that we're developing, investing in, growing right now, such as Apprise, which is our appraisal joint venture, and our small balance lending businesses, those are you know, very important to our five year growth plan. I wouldn't say they're you know critical to the one year growth plan in 2021. But you know we are expecting to make progress in you know all of those areas and start to build those to the point where you know, by the time we you know roll around to 2025 they're more meaningful parts of our business. Henry Coffey: And then government policy. Thoughts about how much changes with the Biden Administration and how much stays the same? Willy Walker: Oh. So, first of all, I think that. Look I was a fan of Treasury Secretary Mnuchin. I thought he did an exceptional job with a very, very difficult hand, if you will, particularly during the pandemic. And I thought that he and Fed Chairman Powell did a fantastic job at the onset of the pandemic to put liquidity into the market. I'm happy to see Janet Yellen in her position at Treasury and she obviously has very significant influence over housing policy broadly, the GSEs more specifically. And what we will wait to see Henry is what happens with the Supreme Court case on the FHFA Director and whether the FHFA Director has a five-year tenure only to be removed by cause. Or whether the FHFA Director is at the pleasure of the President. And if the Supreme Court rules on that, as they did on the CFPB Director, it would be our assumption that there's a new FHFA director sometime during 2021 and what he or she decides to do with FHFA we shall see. But that's about as far as I want to get out there, right now. It's nice, quite honestly, to see the discussions going on, on Capitol Hill about the stimulus bill. And I will tell you I'm very, very surprised that our portfolio has held up as strong as it has during the pandemic, given the lack of stimulus into the market, since August of last year. And, as Steve went through in our credit stats. You know, we are back to 6.9 percent unemployment in America which many people challenge saying there 4 million workers furloughed, there are people who have exited the workforce, and the 6.9 is not an actual number, it's actually higher than that. But I remind people often that Barack Obama was re-elected President United States in 2012 with 7.9 percent unemployment. And at that time we weren't looking for stimulus bills. At that time the economy was actually functioning quite well. Many people would have criticized it at not growing fast enough, but the bottom line is we weren't looking for trillion dollar stimulus bills back in 2012 when we had one percentage point higher in unemployment

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United States. That statement is not to say that people aren't suffering. That statement is not to say that a stimulus bill isn't needed. And I would say that if a stimulus bill is passed, and direct checks go out to Americans, that will only help rent rolls across the country and make it so that we get through this pandemic in the similar shape that we are in today. Henry Coffey: Great Thank you very much, and congratulations on an amazing year. Steve Theobald: Thank you, Henry. Willy Walker: Thanks for all your insight. Kelsey Duffey: Thanks Henry. The next question will come from Steve Delaney at JMP. Steve Delaney (JMP): Thanks Kelsey. Good morning everyone. And Willy it's been said by Jade and Henry but I must also extend my congratulations on a truly outstanding year. Great job. First on the caps. FHFA came out I think November 17 and clarified $70 billion. And then, a couple of weeks ago, I think, well before Mnuchin left, there was a change to the PSPA Agreement and Kelsey let us know that, that change indicated that the CAP may be $80 billion. Can you just give us clarity on what is in effect today, and what else might need to happen for the $80 billion to become the actual number? Thank you. Willy Walker: Yes Steve. So here's what I know from discussions that the Mortgage Bankers Association and the National Multifamily Housing Council have had with FHFA. The adjustment to the PSPA was to establish a limit on per GSE lending on multifamily in a 12-month period. And so that $80 billion is essentially a CAP that says that they can’t expand out beyond $80 billion. And then they reiterated that for 2021 the CAPs are at $70 billion per GSE. And so essentially what they were saying was we don't want them to expand out beyond that. I would put forth to you that that is a reasonably dramatic change from the view that FHFA and the federal government at large has had as it relates to the role that Fannie and Freddie play in both the single-family and the multifamily markets. Where they've always viewed the GSEs as counter cyclical capital to be able to expand out in times of stress. And so, going back to my response to Henry, if the Supreme Court rules that the FHFA Director is at the pleasure of the President and if we have a new FHFA Director in 2021 or at the end of Dr. Calabria's term in 2023, it would be my assumption that the new FHFA Director with Secretary Yellen will sit down and look at those amendments in the PSPA and potentially either reverse them or amend them. So we shall see on that, but for right now with $70 billion per GSE. Both GSE's have plenty of capital for 2021. Steve Delaney: Great thanks for that color. You mentioned small balance, both in your remarks and also in your handout today. I'm hearing that more and more as a targeted area from you as to where you can expand the W&D platform. Now we know about that business from other lenders and it strikes me that you will need some new “struc” within W&D in order to access

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the type of local market loan brokers who were probably in between that deal with the end market borrower and your origination platform. Can you just simply kind of clarify exactly how you envision? What are the pieces within W&D that have to be there for you to do a significant amount of small balance multifamily? Thanks. Willy Walker: Sure, so I'm not going to give you the whole playbook Steve as much as I know you'd like it and I'm certain that the other 400 people on this call, and a number of them are competitors of ours, so we're not going to give it all away here. But I would say this. If we wanted to enter the small balance lending business, like many of our competitors operate in that business today, we would have already likely gone out and acquired an SBL lending platform, and you know the names I don't need to mention them, but there are several they're great companies, and they have great businesses. So if we wanted to go about doing that business, the same way, they all do it, we would have probably just gone and bought it. We haven't. And the reason we haven't is because to exactly your question, we think there's the opportunity here to use a new origination model, a new marketing model to gain access to clients, and a new technology solution to truly change the way that SBL lending is done. And so to say we are, we are very much if you will, in the laboratory right now. And where we are focused is not on origination platforms that would do it the same way, we're focused on technology platforms, that would help us revolutionize the way that we underwrite loans. The way that we market our capabilities. And the way we basically step in between the current borrowers and their current [cut off]. Willy Walker: And Jade you're off mute. And so that's the way we're thinking about doing it and, obviously, as we have things to reveal as we pull that strategy together and start to implement it, we will keep you updated. Steve Delaney: That's helpful and I love the forward looking approach there. There are certainly some good case studies in the residential mortgage business where technology direct to consumer, direct to local market broker, have really vaulted some companies you know up into the top three, top five, so it sounds like you're thinking something along those lines. And look just one last quick thing. We noticed about a week ago in Housing Wire that an old friend of yours, I assume a friend, David Brickman, is getting back in the multifamily game. We know that the group he’s buying was probably that the shop that Todd Schuster bought six or seven years ago for Acre. It looks like those dots connected on who the company was. My real question is not about David or the fact that there's new management at an existing competitor, but generally Willy, multifamily is an amazing business, especially the Agency program. Are you seeing any other signs of private equity starting to come into the space to get behind some of these underutilized licenses and try to just basically to the point where, come in and try to get a slice of the pie? That's my last question. Thank you.

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Willy Walker: So Steve first of all, David is a dear friend. I've worked with David for all 17 years I've been in this industry and he is not only one of the most talented executives I know, he's also a very, very close friend. And so, I wish him great luck. And he is a very talented CEO. David has a huge lift. And I mean a huge lift. Of all the places I would have liked to have seen David end up, this is a great place from a competitive standpoint, because he has the challenge of pulling together two firms. You mentioned the fact that the platform that he is now taking on from an agency standpoint is the old Schuster Aries platform. You can run through a very long list of very talented private equity and investment banks, including Aries and Guggenheim and Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse and I can keep on going down, who thought that they could enter this business and make a go of it, and all walked out by selling licenses and saying that was a lot harder than we thought it was going to be. That's, not to say that David and the combination of Meridian and Bearings will not have long term success. But it will take a long time for him to get that platform to any semblance of a real competitive force in the market. The second thing I would say is that sort of to your point, you look at the competitive forces in this space and all the people who have focused on it, because I just mentioned, you know four really great investment banks and private equity firms. You can then go to the banks. Take a look at what happened to Wells Fargo and their agency lending business in 2020. They fell from number two to number seven in the Fannie Mae league tables and I think they fell from number three to number eight with Freddie Mac. Take a look at the combination of BB&T, which was Grandbridge and Sun Trust, many people said oh they're going to use the balance sheet and they're going to get really, really competitive there. I do not think the Truest was in the top 10 with either Fannie or Freddie in 2020. Take a look at Cap one. Take a look at Newmark taking ARA and Berkeley Point and bringing those two together and talking about how the combination of investment sales and banking was going to launch them to the top of the league tables. None of that's happened. So, what I would say to you is it's always a competitive market. We go every single day and compete with some of the largest and most sophisticated and most talented bankers and brokers on other platforms that exist. And at the same time, when I hear about a great private equity firm of Stone Point coming together with a great CEO of David Brickman on a platform of Meridian and Bearings, I say great people, good luck. Steve Delaney: That's great color thanks so much Willy. Good luck in 2021. Willy Walker: Thank you. Kelsey Duffey: Thank you Steve we now have a follow up question from Jade Rahmani. Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much wanted to ask a few other questions. I think you mentioned that credit performance in the multifamily servicing portfolio was tracking a lot better than what you expected and Freddie Mac puts out this nice forbearance report in which they show that about $7.6 billion of loans, about 1200 loans as of December 28

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totaling 2.8 percent of securitized UPB and about 5 percent of loan population was in forbearance. Looking at WD’s results, you know it's clear that the credit and the at-risk servicing portfolio, which is the Fannie Mae portfolio is, I think defaulted loans are you know, .11 percent, something like that. So it seems that Fannie Mae's credit performance, as indicated by at least WD’s portfolio is outperforming Freddie Mac. I was wondering if you have a view as to why that is? Willy Walker: So I would say one key issue there Jade is small balance and Freddie has been a larger small balance lender than Fannie Mae over the past several years and I do believe that a disproportionate number of those forbearance requests have been on small loans. But I would also say that, if you look at Arbors latest credit stats, they haven't published their Q4 numbers yet, so I haven't looked at them, but through Q3, a firm like Arbor that has exceptional credit in the SBL lending space has done very, very well. And their credit stats haven't sort of followed that trend that you just outlined. And so I would say that you know with great underwriting, like Arbor does in small balance, you can have a very successful SBL program. But I think the majority of those forbearance requests that you're citing in the Freddie’s book Jade, are on SBL properties, and it makes perfect sense, you don't have economies of scale there. If you've got a four unit multifamily property and one person loses their job you're now at 75 percent occupancy or 25 percent economic vacancy. And so the bottom line is SBL just doesn't have a lot of buffer as it relates to people who aren't paying their rent whereas larger properties, because they can have 10, 20, 30 people not pay their rents and still be able to make their mortgage payments, that's what you get across the broader spectrum. Jade Rahmani: And a follow up question to that would be to what extent do you think that the Fannie Mae risk sharing model which requires a seller/servicer such as Walker Dunlop to be responsible for the first, up to 5 percent of loss, versus a securitization model which could be a fund, you know that may not have skin in the game, in terms of its own capital, it's outside the capital they're managing, to what extent do you think that that structural feature has any difference on credit performance? Willy Walker: Look, they both work. And both models, I think, are needed. When markets are perfect and pricing is extremely tight the Freddie Mac model of having a larger pool of assets to be securitized with private capital, taking the B-Piece risk is a model that has shown over time to be very, very price effective. And a very, very good business model. The flip side to it, is that when times are bad, and people want to look through to who's originating the loan and securitizing the loan, and who's holding the risk, the Fannie Mae DUS model has proven to be extremely helpful and good. I'm a big believer in the originator retaining the risk on loans. I think it aligns interest exceptionally well and as you have seen over our 30 plus years as a Fannie Mae DUS lender, we love that business model. We like taking the risk. We like holding the risk. I'm a big fan of that. But at the same time, I would also say that it's very clear that since Freddie Mac launched the K model back in 2009, that that has functioned exceptionally well, as well.

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Jade Rahmani: Thank you for that a couple of specific WD questions. Do you know what producer headcount was up? I think you gave the total headcount and you said it's eclipse 1000 and I think the average head count for the fourth quarter was 900, but do you know what the producer headcount was up? Either in the fourth quarter or maybe where it is now on a year over year basis? Willy Walker: I think over the year we added 13 Kelsey? Kelsey Duffey: That's correct. Willy Walker: 13 adds to the producer ranks in 2020 Jade. Jade Rahmani: So what's the total so I have the number correct. Total producers? Willy Walker: 200 and what Kelsey? Kelsey Duffey: Jade, I will get it to you but it’s like 203ish. Jade Rahmani: Okay, great. In terms of capital deployment priorities, clearly the dividend was materially increased, you also increased the size of the stock repurchase authorization. How do you expect to prioritize capital deployment? Between the dividend, between stock repurchase, and setting aside some pool of capital that could be used opportunistically? Willy Walker: Well, you can do the math on the dividend, right, and so then know what's left over. The buyback authorization is nothing other than authorization and, as you have seen during Walker & Dunlop’s history, Steve has stepped into the market at very opportune times and bought back stock. And so it's nice to have that authorization. Don't know if we'll use it in 2021. And then we had a board meeting yesterday, where our board went through a very extensive business development pipeline, of all the things that we're focused on putting capital into. Which is along the lines of everything that we underscored in the earnings call. Continuing to attract the very best people to Walker & Dunlop. Continuing to build our brand. And most importantly, continue to invest in technology, both in our own technology solutions that we've developed, as well as buying new technology solutions that can help catapult certain business lines forward just like I just spoke to Steve about on small loans. Jade Rahmani: Thank you. On the decision to remain with the existing service provider and the $6 million charge, I'm not really concerned about the charge but curious about what it says, you know about the company's technology efforts, and you know the risks and benefits to moving 100 percent in house and how you evaluated that decision. Can you provide any comments on that?

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Steve Theobald: Jade, I'll jump in on that one. So look, I think, at the end of the day what we've done was, I think de-risked the technology platform a little bit by remaining with our existing provider, and I think it's fair to say that the existing provider since we told them that we were planning to leave has invested a significant amount in their own technology platform and brought it to a much better place than it was three years ago. So I think that, from our perspective, it's going to give us the benefits that we were seeking. In the meantime, we have you know brought in-house, most of the activities over the course of this year, which should allow us to control the cost structure much better going forward as well. Jade Rahmani: Okay. I'm somewhat surprised that there's a potential improvement in margins on the servicing business as we currently estimate that the margins there somewhere in the, I don't know 60 to 70 percent range, so but good to hear that you were able to get some concessions on that potential change. I have gotten a couple of questions from investors and, since this is a webinar I think I should ask. You know one investor has asked whether you're providing any guidance as to gain on sale margins for 2021. Steve Theobald: We have not Jade. You know, at the end of the day for us it's all about operating margin, because that's ultimately what leads to the bottom line and earnings per share. Gain on sale margin is you know, an output of the mix of our business. So, we're not really focused on what that is right now. Jade Rahmani: But just in terms of you know mathematically speaking if we were to model growth and brokerage and investment sales to exceed that of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac there should be diminished and gain on sale margin? Steve Theobald: Mathematically speaking that is correct. Willy Walker: And that has had zero impact on our operating margin or our earnings over time. So if you go run your models Jade, and go back and take a look at what it's done, the gain on sale margin moving up or down has had zero correlation to our operating margin, as well as our earnings. It's just, so people can track it, you can do it, as you just said it's a mathematical computation. It has not impacted Walker & Dunlop earnings growth or our ability to continue expand the platform. Jade Rahmani: Okay, great and then last question is on adjusted EBITDA. So I was wondering if you expect adjusted EBITDA in 2021 to exceed what you generated, what WD generated in 2019. It totaled $248 million in 2019, for full year 2020 it came in at $216 million. Clearly there's an increase in personnel expense in advance of future volume growth, we realize that. There was also the, there were some other items, including the write off with respect to the servicing business. You're talking about double digit growth in 2021. And so, if we just assumed the low-end, 10 percent growth in 2021, then you would still be, you know somewhere about 5 percent below what you achieved in 2019 and given how bullish you are on volumes, I was wondering if you could opine as to whether you expect 2021 adjusted EBITDA to exceed what occurred in 2019.

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Willy Walker: I would just reiterate what Steve said in our prepared comments Jade. We're looking at double digit EPS growth, and double digit EBITDA growth. And your model will tell you what your model is going to tell you. But we're very bullish about our company and about our growth opportunities. I think Steve gave great specifics on where we think we get uplift in EBITDA as it relates to transaction volumes on brokerage, on debt, and brokerage on properties, and that's what we're providing the market. Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much for taking the follow-up question. Willy Walker: Thanks Jade. Kelsey, do we have anything else? Kelsey Duffey: Thanks Jade. Yes, we actually have one final question from Matt Howlett at Wolff Research. Matthew Howlett (Wolfe): Hey Willy. Great job outlining the excess capital you'll have, where you expect to deploy it, and you’ve got a lot of opportunities out there. My question is, the balance sheet is in a position where you can obviously access the debt markets, seems like the next evolution of the company is unsecured debt, investment grade. Walk us through, walk me through, you know what the plans are when you access that market, where you think levels are? Willy Walker: Yeah Matt. So if you think about it, first of all, as Steve said, we were carrying a lot of cash on their balance sheet today from historic standpoint, the most cash we've ever had at Walker & Dunlop. And that obviously adds somewhat of a drag on our ROE, except, we had a 29 percent ROE in Q4 so I'm not sure how much of a drag that really is. We don't need more capital right now. I think that what you'd see is that if we go do a significant transaction. Where it's you know it's an acquisition of north of $300 million, $500 million what have you, we take a look at how are we going to, as I said previously, how are we going to pay for that. We going to use how much cash, how much debt. The Term Loan B market is wide open to us; we have a Term Loan B today. Steve has done a great job of bringing that borrowing cost down as we've increased the size and scale and financial performance of Walker & Dunlop. And so, we could go back and do it. The real issue right now is we’re, the types of checks from a business development standpoint that we're writing right now, are you know $30, $50, $75 million checks for smaller companies that are tuck-in acquisitions, as I would call them for technology, for teams across the country, a mortgage banking platform, an investment sales platform, things of that nature. And so, if it's that size, we don't need to go access the capital markets, but, as you rightly say, given $321 million of cash on the balance sheet, a debt to equity ratio that is extremely healthy, and a currency in our stock that has done very well, particularly versus the competition over the past couple years, we have a lot of, if you will, tools at our disposal when and if we want to get ambitious on something. Matthew Howlett: Gotcha okay appreciate it. Just one last thing on the team, on the single-family residential side, an obviously interesting asset class. I don't know if you address it or not,

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but would one day WD consider being a lender in that space? We've seen names like CoreVest go up at these huge multiples. What do you think of that asset class from a financing perspective? Willy Walker: I got to be careful here because I got a lot of friends in the single-family space. Look, never say never. And the single-family rental and built-for-rent kind of brings the multifamily market and the single-family market together in a way that you've got single-family developers, single-family owners, homebuilders, moving into the SFR and BFR space. And you have big operators and owners of multifamily moving into the SFR BFR space. So, the two markets, where typically you didn't have big names playing in both are somewhat colliding in the SFR BFR space. So that means that given our relationships on the multi side we're moving into that and you rightly point out the team that we have very focused on being a big supplier of capital and financing to the BFR and SFR space. The one thing I would say, though, as it relates to the single-family mortgage space is that all these incredible numbers that we're seeing for 2020 in the single-family space they're going to go away. They're redoing their entire books right now. Everybody who can refinance is refinancing because there's no prepayment penalty on refinancing your loan. And so as a result of it, all the single-family financing companies are going to run through their books, refinance their books, and then new originations are going to go down precipitously. As you well know, in the commercial space, 89 percent of our servicing portfolio is prepayment protected and so as a result of it, if you look at the refinancing volumes that are coming up in 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, particularly in the in the agency portfolios, there's a huge refinancing opportunity coming up for us in our existing book. And then you add on top of that, the technology solutions we have to go find loans and other people's books. And there's a huge, huge financing opportunity over the coming years in the commercial space that will not exist in the single-family space because everyone's run out and put a $250 mortgage on their home. So while yeah, they're great volumes and, believe me, some of the numbers that some of the single-family lenders are putting up right now are eye popping. But I think investors and analysts know that they've got their, if you will, one time shot to do all this and then people are going to sit on their 30-year fixed rate mortgage for quite some time before rates get back down to a lower level where they might go and refinance them again. And so, we feel pretty good being on the commercial side, let's just put it that way. Matthew Howlett: Yeah well said. Thanks Willy. Kelsey Duffey: At this time, we have no further questions. Willy Walker: So I would finish where I started off, which is thanking everyone for joining us today. Congratulating all my colleagues at Walker & Dunlop for an absolutely incredible 2020. And the most exciting part is that, given all the investments we've made, and all the people we have on the platform, the best is yet to come. So, thank you everyone for joining us. Thank you

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Steve and Kelsey for all of your work and putting together today's earnings call. I wish everyone a very happy and healthy Thursday and going forward. Steve Theobald: Thanks everyone.