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k i d s i f a c e s ,

Both:eed and l {oodjr agree that tbecrossover ctarket has becone over-saturated.rr l t just got real redun-dant. -d11 t \e Sands sta:r ted sounding

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b u L ' v e r r o n o t a h v p e . j r e d o n r t t a k eon the lvhale heav] . netal fornula.

l {oolY-Hype is a good word.That 's whata 1 - ' ^ . h r - , ^: r - . . ) l , r d r a l , ' r o F s 6 . f r ^ l p t oq i ) 6 L l a i r i . - . r . . , , . h a v e

t o c o r o e o u t d j l \ a s a o k e r a c h ' n . s o! e o p 1 e w i l l g o , I ' , / o L v r I

RniD-Sonet i loes that k ind of stuf fn _ | l . ' . 1 1 w

what , , le ' re into., / c a T . w _ - f I p . s c c . r F - ' t h z r ' T

ren do that k ind of 6tuf f .uF-TArf, Ttit t1aAll;EIr,.loonY-lihat I s for fun

by Jake Wiselyr f o v a r ,

T v i l ' c a n d t , s ' F . r . n ' . r r n ' o r r o -

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C o r e ) , v r a s r y f i r s t t r u e - t o - : i f ed r o p - j a w p u n k - r o c k e x l e r i e n c e . l u r e ,I had been l is tening to hardcorefor a long t ine, but no record everhad blown me over and refused to1et ne up the way i rye lor An Eyetrd i d .

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Spikes in your l inbsTo pay for your s insAn eye for an €yeAn eye for an el'eEye for an eye

i l1 Just i fyl {urder by the stateT < r , n n ^ e p + h ? + 1 i n o - , , n c + r r 1

cluding i i ike Dean on bass, but wi thEl ic jycke on vocals, m. ight be thereason I d ig metal so much today.T h e y d e r e c r o s s o v F r e v e n m e n . C . 0 . C .e v a n l r a d a p e n t a c r a n r i n o n e o ftbeir logos,That was belore oostpunk bands acknowledged heavy ne-

. . - - . j a r 0oe especiaf ly have always l iked 3a-b b a t h . . , ? i e ' v e a l w a j ' s b e e n i n t o t h ereaf heavy 6tuf f . r r said drunaerR e e d i i u l l i n .

3e- in6 t ' re Lvro only or ig inal ne1r-b e r s n o ! { n a k i n g u p C . O . C . , i i e e d a n d1{oody i leath erman ( gui tars ) grew upon the l ikes of Black Sabbath andI e e p ; u r p l e . ' - t n a s n o v a r L . u L h f D l -l J € c o n c i o u s U ' i n g . ' s a i d , / o o d yd h F n s p e a k r r " o " t \ e i r p r o g r - s s i o nt o w a r d s m e t a l . ' r Y e a h , i t w a s n e v e r ,i i l e y , l e t i s d o t h i s r e t a l t b i n g . ' ,a d d s i e e d . r r ! " h e f i r s t r e c o r C , y o uc a n r t r e a l l y t e f l , j u s t ' c a u s e t h ep r . i u c i j c . , , ' - s s o b r d , b u L o o l l ' s

- . _ - , - i / d i ,o n i . i n i n o s i t y r . r r a . C , : . ' s s e c o n d- : ,

o n : : p t a i l l c o d , a . l o - s s c . 1 l . I ' 7! r p : - h - p i t ? . r L a t . r o - a ! r , o o , r e .

UI-DC YOU TqIIK }tr/;IC!I}iG i i.iILAI: tJ l , / r \ l i G00D aoi i f t jRcir \L l l � 'a to youi : i1 i ! \ i : YCUrr/ i S0T,) lOi t i t lCCRlS,Sini ; r A l rc i : n l l r iRsu , \u i l i l tcr t '

l l :D-Yeah, th is whofe crossovert h j n g , . .

f th ink metal leoFle go see anyt r u n k b a n d .

- r s j L s s o r r a r h e + r e n -d y t h i n g . l l e r r e n o t p i c k y a b o u t w h o

r i th t i la t k ind of stuf f , r ' c la insIoody. ieed: r r i :ow everybody star tspick ing u! on the sane fornula. r '

As wel1, both agr:ee that there area nunber of bands who have provedthemselves as inovators as v/e l l ash p i n r h , r e i . , 1 1 v

real ly narrow l t down to i {eta11icaand Voi Vod. l r said Reed, for obviousr e a s o n s . r ' A l r o s t e v e r y t h i n 6 e l s e i sj u s t r e a l b l a n d . r ' a d d s r o o d y . r T l u s ,t h e w a y t t e y a l p r . c a c h t h e m u : i c i sn o t r - a l 1 t i " o c k S t a r i , n c o n c f u d e sne.d , ' They rre I ike regular guys ,c o o r p e o p l e .

ui :liva YOu rf{!.iRll"ltcm Al:y R:s!it1-I,lAiIT fao;i PUltl.S Iti{O qnAID niy! FoRAti rYln Alo ixtlcT coi.1tt iT9 HARDcoRntRoll You lotAY ?

i toolY- l iot as ouch.A long t iEe ago wed i d .

R!J l - te 've been put t ing of f the wholeh e a v y m e t a l t h i n g s o h e a v i 1 y , . .

, i o o l Y - : : o t r e a l l y p u r L i n g i ! o f f , j u s !n o t r e a i l y h a v i n g : ] u c h i n r e r e s t .

r l : _ D - , . ^ a r : : i r _ v r t ^ n r + 1 ' v 6 r , - c oany heavy metal lmage.

: , {oODY-Sone people are disaplointed inthat aslect ,Theyr l f cone to the ghor ' /e x p e c t i n g u s t o c o n e o u L ! , / i t h afucking c loud of smoke.Sut, the re-a l i t y o f i t i s , w e c o m e o u t o n s t a g eand tune up and do \dhat vre want tod o .

Rl , .D-Redd Zross do that too wi th ther 7 0 ' s t h i n g .

ut-30 rTiAT D0 lou Ti{I}x 0t A BAlit1,11{X SIAY:R iiHC Coti;oUT }iITIl S}Ii{-ED GAUI:TliTri, ITC. ?

Rnnt-Jhatever f loats your boat .

I t s e e m s t h a t C . O . C . r s b i g g e s tl roblem has been deal ing wi th thesklnhead polu lat ion. I can reneDberseeing theo a few years back at a1oca1 hal1 in f ront of no $ore than50 people, and they thenselves , , ' /ereanong that halr fess gToup.But, asthe band progressed, Eo did thelength of their hair .To quote thei n s e r t t o C . 0 . J . r s l a t e s t E ? ,rrTechnocracyr ' ( i ' ,e taf 31ade): ' ,Thebest th ing abo,r t sk inheads is thatthey rre b iodegrad abl€, ' r r i3ut ,

J 'ouhave to real ize, at that lo int ! , /ehad just come back f rot i a couplereal snaf l tours where we had thev/orst exler ienc es. . " ,e had our t i resslashed and f ights breaking out atevery show.tr said s inger, SioonBob, ln reslonse to the quotatron.

In fact , dur ing thej . r show atl l inneapol is t l i rs t Avenue, Sinontook t ine to exl la in their s tanceagainst v io lent sk inheads, and toa p o l o g i z e f o r n o t b e i n g . 0 o r e s p e c i -f ic on the lyr lc lage.The audienceresponse was grat i f j ' ing as manypeol le cheered and supported his

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SI,:oN-So all the skinheads are gon-ra beat us up?

RtXD-iio, I talked to 'eii.{Oonl-That did you say to !en?

REm-j ie1l , they came out looklnr forus and I lvent up to rem and askedwhat they wadted.They aaid, r r l , f tattbe fuck is a l l t i is on the lyr icpage, th is b lodegradable stuf f?! ' Ijust to ld re$ the 1Eoblens we had\rith skins in the last and theysaid they \rere totally agalnst allthe fascisE and racism.

; i iooDY-See, that ,s \ rhat I nean.f ftheyrre havlng fun, thatrs cool ,b u L i f L h - y s t a r b h u r r i n a p e c n l e . . .

R ; : T - l ! h j n k l t r s d u n b t o - c l a s l l f ya rhole gro. ]p, l ike on our lyr icpage.Anl' tine vrhen y'ou say a v/hole- ^ r , r ^ f - a ^ n l a+ h , + r e h r d

' ' IoODY- I fee l hav ing t \a r on the 1yr -

i c sheet . ! . /as o rong. I donr t ag?eewith t t t -

Sll.;01tr-t'donrt nlnd having it onthere, but I wouldtve l iked to backi t up nore.

i iooDTl-Tf i t was rvorded a l i t t1e di f -ferebt , 11ke rrRacist sk inhead,r orr ' lascist sk inheadsr ' or something,tcause tnere are a fo! of i i inorThreat- type 6kinhe4ds,

REID-. Ie11, they knolr the di f ference.i foolY-3ut st i1f , maybe sone people

donrt , l ike a metalhead that leadsi t and they might hate al l sk i l -

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l : : D - l h a t ' s t h e i r p r o b l e m t f t h e y r r egonna be that imlresslonable,

Sl i io l I - l re should have be€n more re-s p o n s i b l e .

R:: l - I t \ lnk ?e , , , /cre being resFonsi-b1e. I th ink we wele standlng up fors o i e t \ i n g t \ a t r s r e a l l y f u c k e d u fln i - i e scener and no one FLs. does,

ul-io YOU,R! t:ol Gcl:)ln 5Arif : iRo-BtE: .[Ui Ii::X GUYS ,I]ii:l ?

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ihew, now that t 'nat ts tesolved,on to the recoral :

lIoolT-The tunes are actually veryo1d.." .e wrote ren r ight when I 'Animo-3 i t y r r " , / a s o u t ,

R: l ) - :kcept i l lhh : lughr, our heavynretaf anthen. lhat ts o11r sevel se-cond long speed netal song.

Ui'-tr1:Cill:Ccilnc]r ,IAS ili JI, .iif 'n l :D-I t vas to f in ish our conir :act

wi th i ;eta l : l lade. . ie vranted to get

away f ror that vrhole th ing. , ihen wesigned wi th i ie ta l 3fade, we \ . rererea1ly naive and we signed a badcontract . . . . They re. .11y r l lped usof f , I th ink.

Ir'OoDT-lhey wanted a fu]l a1bun, aadv/e rea1ly d ldnrt lvant to g ive r .e$al l those songs.

RI:D-So we just gave then the bareni.nixmB.I think tbe songs a::el r e t t y g o o d . I t v r a s j u s b s o - e t l i n gwe had to get out of the way.ou?next recordrs gonna be real ly goodthough.

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a d lnquir ies f?om labels, najorard indy, lneludins : eta l 51ade, toe s t a b l l s h a n e c o n t r a c t , t h o u g h a t

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albuo alnost wr i t ten, so werre justgonna get hone and k ick back, andlet i t halpen.rr said i joody. ' r l jer11take our t ine.rr

U;'.OBY]OU5IT TRYINC 10 GTT TH' B?STDEAI ?

: t j ; ) - l e d o n r t w a n t t o c o m l r o m . i s . a n yk i n d o f i d e a l o g y o r n o r a l s o r a n y -th ing. I f we s ign wi th a najor , i twi l l have to be on ou! te ims.

UT.II' IS HTITSIf:D STiSRI.IJoODY-I personal ly donrt th lnk werre

real ly ready for a oajor 1abel ,tcause werre not at t i la t leve1.

Rnm-3ut you never can tef , l .

tset te! late than never: J.O.C. nowconsists of Reed l iu l l in on dauEs,: ' Ioody . leatherman on gui Lar, 3 inonBob on vocals. and f 'h i l . l \ r is ter onbass, replacing l l1ke iean who alsou s e d t o s i n g w h e n . - . C . l . d a s a 3 -! i e c e ( b e f o r e S i E o n ) .

REm-' tTechnoci :acyr ' is do ing l ] ret tygood, but a 1ot of Feople expectedI{1ke lean(on vocals) though and weh a d j u s t e o L L e D S i m o n f r o n i h e : l e l JAmerlcans. :hey \ rer .e goinJ, "Thisguy doesn' t grolv l qui te as much."

Sl l ' lo l l - i t f i rs t , I heard a 1ot of ,' r , / o w , w h o ' s t h i s s i n g e r ? ! r , b u t 1 a t -e1y, people are oore used to i t .

Rln)-Cur l ive tb ing is a lc t moref u n , b e c a u s - i L h i r k i . i k e : e a n a l d -e d a 1 o t o f t e n s i o n . H e , r a s a l o tmore ser ious about th ings than rer e a 1 1 y a l e . . l e g o t a n e w b a s s i s twhors real1y good.. le adds col ledl 'r c 1 i . a i ^ i h a u h ^ 1 o + t ! i h d

IJoCDY-: ie just have a 1ot bet te! t ine

i !5D- ' ,h ich is wbat i - t rs a l l about.

I t is obvious that , r i thout i . l lkelean, the band ls more re laxed andnot as intense, but the nusic isst i l l just as lo l rer fu l .A f? iendnoted that i leed looked l ike a ! .ur-pet behind his d,rar f jng drun k l t : -sonething that wouldnrt bave stoodout wlth the tense i,iike tean in theforefront .

Befole I defve vet fu i ther intofact and opin ion, iorrosion , l t ishedne to acknovr ledge that ov€x 5000

. lJ . r lc Fages did not nake i t in tothelr ieco?d s leeve. t rJust becausei t r ras such a short record, we want-ed to put in a big fyric page andt h e y d j d n r t p u t i t i n . . . A n d l / ] e p a l dfor hal f of thelr . " conplalned Reed,0he culpri.t was naned as InportantRecords, and f?of i lvhat I saw, C.o.C.holds a g?udge.Ihe ,6t ' x 12' r g lossylyric page is extretrely lnDortantto the band, so i f you have obtaln-ed a rrTecbnocracy

E? wl thout one,you nay wr i te to C.C.C. and they,r i1I send you one fo! f ree(I lecon-menC includ ing postage thorgh).T r i L e : . l . O . J . / ? C 3 o x 5 O 9 1 l R a l e t g h ,N . C . / 2 7 6 5 0 .

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'SARICOR: BAIiDS TO TI]'E Ot{

A I']ifTA], iDG: ?:VColY-Just like anytlr ing e1se, evety-

body goee through t rends. I t ts justl i k e a n y o r h e r g r o , r F o f p e o f l e - -h igbschool ktds--you f l t In and youa r e c o o l . T t j u s t s \ o w s - o u r r e al . i t t le weak i f thatrs the best youcan do.Just fo i lowing \ r i th thec r o r d , t h a t ' s k i n d o f a c o F - o u t .

L : , : - : c a n s e e i n f l u e n c e s 3 i c s r u f f ,but to gras! and tota l l j . take overthe whole fornula and do exact ty

hat a l l these banCs do. i t setsold. . , ' i th an.-r k ind of i iu i ic I a las-s ical , iazz, punk rock, heavy oeLala n d s t u f f l i k e t h a t .

u!-eoJ l0 !o',i r-Inl -\BOuI !-.{-e -iuluREoF tiARicoiE ?

l /0cDY-tersonal ly , i th ink a lot ofFeople are gonna get teal1y burned^ . f h a r a + r l . . . - . , - _ - - - , c o n _n t h r a h . h - . - - . - . - . . . , . r , . ? r eare sc: iany bands that are not a-f ra iC to p lav a l1t t1e i ,h i r l ier-t 'J fe of stuf f , Less abrasi . /er moremelo{ i ic . I th ink i i rs good for baBds

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i t i . re th ing. lhereis no ! .ea6on vrhyhar iccre shoulC have a fornrr la.

ii::a;:-i think i:hings are go1lrla geta l c t n o " e r e l o d i c . Y o u r r e g o n n ahar/e both ends.

: t i : : - i th.Lnk s lowly but surely th isheavy netal thing is gonna take o-ver, then i t rs jusr gonna die out ,!lr9r9ls 90 pq4I !9!, \14s 411 ttet i s e . : . h e n I f i r s t g o t i n t o i t , 1was inf luenced by Circ le Jerks,Black -c1ag, and lhe Cerns, but nowL i d a ' 1 6 i n f l r , o n ^ - - , - - . - ' - - : ! a y -b e C . 0 . C . , i t i s r e a l l y w e i r d . l t ' dbe rea11y nlce i f i t got b igger andklds staxted lookj-ng around andseeing whatts going on in the !1a-n e t a n d L a k i n g n o t e o f s h a t t h e i rleaders are doing.

i l toolY- i . lot just wi th in thei i scene.Rn:n-Ieah, peol ] le are so l i r l i ted

w i t h t h e i r o w n l i t t f e s o c i a l c l i q u e .they escale f roa the larger school /parent layed-out c l icue and get in-t o t h i s o n e . A l o t o f k i . C s d o n , t g oany fa. ther than th is: poslng ands _ o k . i n E - a c i : a r e t t e , D a y b e g e t t i n gcrrunlr , I | mean, Dlg deal .

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