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June 2017 No. 308 Display until 7/10/17 Printed in USA Sierra Bullets: 70 Years in the Business Legendary Ruger Revolvers H ANDLOADER H ANDLOADER ® Ammunition Reloading Journal TESTED: Vectan AS Pistol Powder! Properly Annealing Rifle Brass New Powders for the 7mm Remington Magnum

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June 2017 No. 308

Display until 7/10/17 Printed in USA

Sierra Bullets:70 Years inthe Business

LegendaryRugerRevolvers

HANDLOADERHANDLOADER®

Ammunition Reloading Journal

RIFLE’STESTED: Vectan AS Pistol Powder!

ProperlyAnnealingRifle Brass

New Powders for the7mm RemingtonMagnum

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COLUMNS FEATURES

32 Sierra Bullets Accurate and Field Proven Since 1947 Terry Wieland

38 Annealing Rifle Brass Accuracy-Improving Tips and Techniques John Barsness

44 7mm Remington Magnum Loads for New IMR and Reloder Powders John Haviland

50 .44 S&W Special Bullets and Powders for Standard Pressure Loads Brian Pearce

58 Go-To Handloads Bullet and powder combinations that work. Mike Venturino

On the cover . . .The Ruger Old Army black-powder percussion revolver was modeled after the 1858 Remington. Photo by Dave Scovill. Background photo by Terry Wieland.

6 The Blackhawk Story Reloader’s Press - Dave Scovill

10 Uberti Model 1873 .45 Colt Loads Bullets & Brass - Brian Pearce

14 3-Inch 20 Gauge – Part II Cartridge Board - Gil Sengel

18 Vectan AS Propellant Profiles - R.H. VanDenburg, Jr.

22 Spring Fever From the Hip - Brian Pearce

26 Irreplaceable Gun Stores Mike’s Shootin’ Shack - Mike Venturino

28 .255 Banshee Wildcat Cartridges - Richard Mann

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65 Lyman Deluxe Carbide Expander/ Decap Die Rod Product Tests - R.H. VanDenburg, Jr.

70 Missteps in Cartridge Design In Range - Terry Wieland

´© 2017 Vic Schendel photo

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More than 30 years ago, Gary Reeder opened a gun shop

in Flagstaff, Arizona, called the Pistol Parlor, and it is still in busi-ness. Next door to the Pistol Par-lor is a custom gun shop where Gary and his son Kase build guns. Reeder’s original focus was on custom Remington XP-100s and Thompson/Center Contenders. To-day they build 1911s, hunting rifles, custom revolvers and many one-of-a-kind specialty guns. Many of these guns are chambered for wildcat cartridges Reeder de-signed, like the .255 Banshee.

Several years back, a couple of Reeder’s handguns were sent to me for review. One of those was a revolver chambered for the .255 Banshee; the other was a big-bore .50 GNR. I’ve been a fan of Gary’s work ever since.

The .255 Banshee is a wildcat based on the .22 Hornet case. Form- ing cases is reasonably straight-forward. First, run new brass through a .255 Banshee sizing die. Reeder suggested annealing the case necks, but since I was work-ing with new Hornady brass, I skipped that wonderfully exciting step. Gary also suggested to first use a 6mm expander before step-ping up to .257 caliber. I’ll admit, I skipped that step too. Follow-

ing neck expanding, chamfering the inside and outside of the case necks cleans up the burrs from the neck expanding operation.

With the .255 Banshee case, the taper in the .22 Hornet case is re-moved, and a sharp shoulder is set at 40 degrees behind a case neck that is 0.214 inch long. To achieve this case shape, fireform-ing is required. Reeder suggests reducing maximum loads by 10 percent for fireforming. He sup-plied some already-formed Rem-ington cases, but I needed more, so 50 .22 Hornet cases were sized and fireformed. A load of 9.0 grains of Hodgdon H-110 was used behind a Hornady 60-grain flatpoint bul-let. Surprisingly, these loads shot

pretty darn well, averaging just a shade larger than an inch for five, five-shot groups at 25 yards from a sandbag rest. These fireforming loads had an average muzzle ve-locity of 1,268 fps. This was about 28 percent slower than the fastest load tested with this bullet.

Before getting too far along, it is interesting to note why the car-tridge was created. Reeder wanted a cartridge that would push a 65- to 75-grain bullet out of a 12-inch pistol barrel at close to 2,000 fps. In his reloading manual – yes, he has his own – Reeder says, “The cartridge will do very well with bullets in the 60- to 85-grain weight which surprised me a bit. . . . The .255 Banshee does very well on

WILDCAT CARTRIDGES by Richard Mann

.255 BanShee

.255 Banshee Handloads overall loaded bullet powder charge case length velocity group remarks (grains) (grains) (inches) (fps) (inches)

60 Hornady flatpoint H-110 9.0* Hornady 1.659 1,268 1.05 11.3 Remington 1,675 1.08 W-296 11.0 Hornady 1,739 1.85 Lil’Gun 12.3 Hornady 1,776 0.9775 Sierra hollowpoint H-110 11.0 Remington 1.790 1,517 1.16 marginal stability Lil’Gun 11.5 Hornady 1.790 1,529 0.88 marginal stability

* fireforming loadNotes: All loads shot from a Ruger Flat Top with an 8-inch barrel and a 1:14 twist rate. Average muzzle velocity was for 10 shots over a Caldwell G2 Chronograph 10 feet from the muzzle. Remington Small Pistol primers were used for all loads. Remington cases were once-fired; Hornady .22 Hornet cases were fireformed before loading.

Be Alert – Publisher cannot accept responsibility for errors in published load data. Listed loads are only valid in the test firearms used. Reduce initial powder charge by 10 percent and work up while watching for pressure signs.

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his loading manual, the Hornady 60-grain flatpoint bullet is listed as producing in excess of 2,100 fps from a 12-inch Contender barrel. My highest-velocity, 60-grain loads came in 400 fps slower, which would suggest a loss of about 100 fps per inch of barrel.

If you want maximum perfor-mance with the .255 Banshee in a revolver, there are two issues. The first is that overall cartridge length is limited by cylinder length. The revolver provided had a cylinder that measured 1.755 inches long. This limited overall cartridge length to a maximum of 1.810 inches, because the overall case length includes the case rim outside the cylinder. Cartridges loaded too long will not permit the revolver cylinder to rotate. With a single-shot pistol like the Con-tender, this would not be a prob-lem, and bullets could be seated farther out.

The other issue with a revolver chambered for the .255 Banshee is barrel length. A Contender with

smaller bodied deer and other game smaller in size.”

The test gun supplied was a highly customized three-screw Ruger Flat Top with an 8-inch bar-rel with a one-in-14-inch twist. In

a 12-inch barrel is not much lon-ger than a revolver with an 8-inch barrel. If 2,000+ fps velocities are desired, a single-shot pistol with a 12-inch barrel makes sense.

All that said, there is nothing wrong with an 8-inch .255 Banshee revolver. It pushed the Hornady 60-grain flatpoint bullet 1,776 fps, and 25-yard groups averaged less than an inch. At the muzzle, this load produces 420 foot-pounds of energy. That’s 25 percent more en-ergy than from a .22 Winchester Magnum rifle. It’s also about the same level of energy that can be expected from a .327 Federal Mag-num revolver, and I’ve taken sev-eral deer using that cartridge.

This velocity issue with the shorter 8-inch revolver barrel cre-ated the only problem I had with any of the loads assembled. Due to their length, the 87- and 90-grain loads just would not stabilize at the velocities the revolver was ca-pable of generating. Ideally, they would have needed a twist rate of 1:8 to keep from tumbling when

The 75-grain Sierra BlitzKing bullet shot exceptionally well out of the Reeder revolver, even though calculations said it needed a 1:12 twist, and entry holes were minutely oval.

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shot from the test revolver’s 8-inch barrel. From a 12-inch barrel, these loads theoretically should produce enough velocity to stabi-lize in a 1:10 or 1:11 twist, but that still puts them on the borderline of working with the standard 1:14 twist rate Reeder uses for the .255 Banshee. This is no knock on the cartridge; a faster twist rate and/or a longer barrel would sort out most of this.

Regardless, bullets ranging in weight from 60 to 75 grains seem about right for the cartridge. Even 87- and 90-grain bullets pushed about 1,700 fps are not likely to ex-pand very much – or at all – when impacting critters at any distance, because they are engineered to work at higher-impact velocities. The 70-grain V-MAX, on the other hand, requires a 1:10 twist rate for the 1,450 fps velocities it was be-ing pushed to. It should expand – maybe out as far as 100 yards. Out of a 12-inch barrel at roughly 2,000 fps, a 1:12 or 1:14 twist should be suitable.

Though the .255 Banshee is in-deed a niche cartridge, it is fun to shoot and easy to load. For small-ish game like coyotes, foxes, bob-cat and javelina, it should be ideal, and the Hornady 60-grain flatpoint or the Sierra 75-grain hollowpoint should work just fine. At modest handgun ranges, I’d not hesitate to shoot a common-sized white-tail with either load.

Something that has not been mentioned is recoil. In hand the revolver bucked something like a .38 Special with maybe a little more snap, but it was comfort-able to shoot. Muzzle blast, on the other hand, was noticeable, espe-cially when using Hodgdon Lil’Gun powder. I would not say it was ob-jectionable, but there was a notice-able fireball.

Many handloaders under-standably will shy away from a cartridge that necessitates fire-forming cases. The fireforming process with the .255 Banshee was headache-free. More import-ant, the fireformed loads were ac-

curate, easy to extract and would suffice for small-game hunting. Fifty rounds of new .22 Hornet brass can be processed in about 30 minutes.

Gary Reeder likes to create cartridges that are more on the specialty as opposed to the gener-al-purpose side of the fence, and the .255 Banshee is indeed a spe-cial purpose cartridge.

To create .255 Banshee brass from (1) .22 Hornet brass, (2) size cases with a Banshee die, (3) load with a 60-grain bullet ahead of a powder charge 10 percent shy of maximum, and (4) fireform.

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Mike VenturinoPhotos by Yvonne Venturino

At gun shows, shooting matches or during casual conversa- tions with other “gun folk,” I am often asked what’s the

best load for a given cartridge. To that I must honestly answer, “I don’t have a clue.” That said, I do have plenty of go-to loads. After owning several fire-arms of certain chamberings, when a new one pops up for that cartridge, my go-to load will instantly demon-strate that firearm’s potential. Inside go-to loads are some go-to powders, bullets and primers. These loads were not arrived at intuitively; they were settled upon after firing them at pa-per targets through a variety of dif-ferent rifles and handguns in the 50 years I’ve been handloading.

Perhaps my first inkling regarding a go-to load was with my first-ever handloaded cartridge, the .38 Special. In my first decade as a handloader, by actual count over 50,000 .38 Specials were put to-gether for a large variety of revolvers, many of which were .357 Magnums. During those years, never was I disappointed with a combination that included any shape of 150- to 160-grain bullets cast of moderately hard alloy – about 10 to 15 Brinell hardness number (BHN) – over 3.0 grains of Bullseye. Case type, primer brand, bullet lubricant – none of it really mattered. All those bullets were sized .358 inch. Some particular revolvers might have benefited with smaller diameter bullets, such as for Colts with their .354-inch barrel groove diameters, a fact of which I was blissfully un-aware in those days.

Like many readers, my first handloading for rifles began with .30-06 and Model 70 Winchesters. After a considerable amount of shooting, a charge of 59.0 grains of IMR-4350 with Sierra 150-grain spitzers became a go-to load. In current reloading manuals, that charge is over maximum, under maximum or at maximum – take your pick – but in the Lyman man-uals I had back in the 1960s, it was a grain or two below maximum. Besides Model 70 and Model 54 Win-chesters, that load has been used in Remington Model 721s and 700s, Savage 110s, Ruger M77s and likely oth-ers I’ve forgotten.

Two Dillon Square Deal presses – 9mm and .45 Auto – are set up for Mike’s “go-to” handloads, and they are never changed.

It is an accepted fact that M1 Garands should not be fed handloads with slower propellants, such as IMR-4350, for fear of bending their op-rods. After con-siderable shooting with powders in the medium-burn-ing rate, the go-to load became 48 grains of Varget with 150- to 155-grain bullets. The 150s are for casual shooting, and the 155s are for competition.

Like many .44 Remington Magnum shooters of the 1960s and 1970s, my starting point was Elmer Keith’s recommended 22.0 grains of 2400 with 250-grain

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Magnum and .223 Remington. Go-to loads for the lat-ter two included 24 grains of Hodgdon’s H-322 pow-der and either Sierra 52-grain hollowpoint boat-tails (HPBTs) or Speer 52-grain hollowpoints (HPs). The .222 Remington fell by the wayside, but it provided an educational experience.

About the same time as discovering H-322, I bought a super-accurate Remington Model 40X-BR .222 Remington on which a Lyman LWBR 20x scope was mounted. In one project, a variety of primers were mated with Sierra 52-grain HPBT bullets and 21.0 grains of H-322. Five, five-shot groups were fired with each primer, and the best accuracy came from CCI 450 and Remington No. 71⁄2 Bench Rest primers, with the former actually shooting a tad better. Nowa-days any .223 Remington or .222 Remington Magnum that falls into my hands is first tried with 24 grains of H-322, the earlier mentioned 52-grain HP bullets and one or the other of the CCI or Remington prim-ers mentioned.

With the derivative cartridges based on the .30-06 – namely .25-06 Remington, .270 Winchester, .280 Remington and one .338-06 owned many years back – IMR-4350 was always my go-to propellant. The same is true for the .22-250 Remington, .244/6mm

Right, Trail Boss is a preferred powder for the (left to right): .38-40, .44-40 and .45 Colt. Below, Winchester 231 is another “go-to” handgun powder.

Go-ToHand loads

Bullet and powdercombinations that work.

semiwadcutters cast in Lyman mould 429421. In ma-chine-rest testing, 21.0 grains of 2400 proved more ac-curate, as did Lyman’s gas-checked 255-grain bullets from mould 429244. That combination was the go-to formula for all .44 Magnums fired thereafter.

Powders are usually the heart of go-to loads. For instance, back in the 1970s and early 1980s, I went through a varmint rifle craze. After trying most every varmint cartridge from .222 Remington to .25-06, fa-vorites became the .222 Remington, .222 Remington

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Left, .30-06 loads with 150-grain spitzers are used for casual shooting. The 155-grain bullets are used for competition.

Right, favorite powders for rifle

loads include IMR-4350 (.30-06)

and Hodgdon H-322 (.223 Remington).

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Remington, .257 Roberts and 7mm Mauser. In fact, H-322 and IMR-4350 are easily my primary rifle propellants.

At this point I should stress that “go-to” does not translate into “al-ways used.” In my military bolt- action .30-06s, the charge is re-

duced to 55 grains of IMR-4350 – not to ease wear on the rifles but because the lesser charge gives ve-locities duplicating M2 Ball mili-tary ammunition.

Some powders of which I’m not overly fond are central to one of my go-to handloads. A good example is H-110. It has never worked well for me in magnum handgun car-tridges but shines in the .30 Car-bine. On hand are three M1s and one M2 (select-fire), and a charge of 14.5 grains under any 110-grain

FMJ or JSP bullet functions per-fectly with adequate groups.

Now to some of the “Old West” cartridges of which I’m so fond. Three favorites for handguns are the .38 WCF, .44 WCF and .45 Colt. In their original configurations, their respective black powder fac-tory loads, according to an 1899 Winchester catalog, were 38, 40 and 38 grains with 180-, 200- and 255-grain bullets in the same or-der. For many years my favorite handloads for those cartridges

Select “Go-To” Handloads – Rifles cartridge bullet powder charge primer case comments (grains) (grains)

.223 Remington 52 Sierra HPBT or Speer HP H-322 24.0 Remington 71⁄2 or CCI 450 various bolt action or single shot

.308 Winchester 195 RCBS cast 30-200-SIL A-5744 20.0 WLR Winchester bolt action or single shot

.30-06 150 Sierra spitzer IMR-4350 59.0 Remington 91⁄2 Winchester bolt action or single shot

.30-06 150 Sierra Varget 48.0 CCI 34 various M1 Garand

.30-06 195 Lyman cast 311299 A-5744 25.0 CCI 200 various bolt action or single shot

.45-70 405 RCBS cast 45-405-FN A-5744 24.0 CCI 200 Starline all vintages of rifles if in good condition

Notes: In the .30-06, 155-grain competition bullets can be substituted for 150-grain Sierras. Cast bullet alloy for .30 calibers was Linotype; for .45-70, it was 1:20 (tin-to-lead) alloy. Sizing diameter for .30 calibers was .310 inch; for .45-70 it was .458 inch. SPG lube and Lyman gas checks used on both. Cast bullet loads with Accurate 5744 should be stoutly crimped. Brand of brass mentioned only when Mike thought it might affect performance.

Be Alert – Publisher cannot accept responsibility for errors in published load data. Listed loads are only valid in the test firearms used. Reduce initial powder charge by 10 percent and work up while watching for pressure signs.

Table I

Select “Go-To” Handloads – Pistols and Revolvers cartridge bullet powder charge primer case comments (grains) (grains)

9mm Luger 115 Zero Bullet FMJ RN W-231 4.4 various various all pistols and SMGs.38 Special 150 to 160 cast lead Bullseye 3.0 various various any good revolver.38-40 170 to 180 cast lead Trail Boss 5.5 WLP Starline smokeless-era revolvers only.44-40 200 to 210 cast lead Trail Boss 6.0 WLP Starline smokeless-era revolvers only.45 Auto 230 Zero Bullet FMJ RN W-231 5.4 various various all pistols and SMGs.45 Colt 250 to 260 cast lead Trail Boss 6.0 WLP Starline smokeless-era revolvers only

Notes: Handgun loads for .38-40, .44-40 and .45 Colt are usable in any lever-action or pump-action rifle or carbine built in the smokeless powder era and in good condition. Brand of brass mentioned only when Mike thought it might affect performance.

Be Alert – Publisher cannot accept responsibility for errors in published load data. Listed loads are only valid in the test firearms used. Reduce initial powder charge by 10 percent and work up while watching for pressure signs.

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Go-To HandloadsLeft, for the .30 Carbine, Mike’s handloads use 110-grain FMJ or JSP bullets with H-110 powder. Right, his favored powder for cast bullet shooting in all smokeless mili-tary rifle cartridges is Accurate 5744.

used 6.8 grains of W-231 or HP-38 with bullets of the same weights listed above, give or take 5.0 grains or so. Years ago bullets were cast of wheelweight alloy blended with 50/50 solder (half tin, half lead) to give a BHN of about 12 to 15. To-

day the same 1:20 (tin-to-lead) al-loy as is used in my BPCR Silhou-ette handloads actually serves with less leading than harder alloys.

In the early twenty-first century, Hodgdon introduced a fast-burn-ing propellant that took up far more volume in black powder cartridge cases. Whereas several charges of 6.8 grains of W-231/HP-38 could inadvertently fit in those huge cases, a double charge of this new powder comes close to or actually overflows from the case. Hodgdon named it IMR Trail Boss, and it quickly became my go-to powder for most handgun cartridges origi-nally introduced for black powder. (A notable exception is the .38 Spe-cial, in which Bullseye is mainly used.) In the .38 WCF, .44 WCF and .45 Colt, my Trail Boss charges are 5.5, 6.0 and 6.0 grains, respectively. When I have time to cast bullets for those three cartridges, RCBS 40-180-CM, RCBS 44-200-FN and NEI 324 bullets are preferred. All are roundnose-flatpoint (RN/FP) versions sized .401, .428 and .454 inch, respectively. When time is short, Oregon Trail 180-, 200- and 250-grain RN/FPs are substituted.

Trail Boss powder is much too fluffy for autoloader car-tridges. Due to the small case ca-pacity of the 9mm Luger and .45 Auto, for example, fast- to medi-um-burning propellants are ap-propriate. Handloads for each of these rounds also see use in two World War II-vintage submachine

guns (SMGs). As an avid cast bul-let shooter, when I bought the SMGs, I figured alloy bullets would suffice. They work well in my M1 Thompson, and several thousand of Oregon Trail’s .452-inch, 225- grain, hard-cast roundnose bullets have been fired through it. Those same loads do not feed reliably in the M3 “grease gun.”

Once early on, the 9mm MP40 revealed it was gummed with greasy, unburned powder by fir-ing continuously after the trigger was released but until its maga-zine was empty. The culprits were a combination of mild pressures and cast bullet lubes. Its barrel also leaded severely when using lead-alloy bullets. For these rea-sons, my go-to 9mm and .45 Auto handloads use full-metal-jacketed (FMJ) bullets – 115- and 230-grain designs from Zero Bullet Company. Accordingly, they are .355 inch and .451 inch in diameter. Powder charges, respectively, are 4.4 and 5.4 grains of W-231 or HP-38. A Dillon Square Deal-B progressive press is set up for each of those cartridges, and settings are never changed but are checked often. Those FMJ handloads are also fine for my plethora of modern and vin-tage 9mm and .45 Auto handguns.

For every rifle owned, I’ve tried to also have at least one bullet mould for it, although I don’t have a mould for the 6.5x52mm Car-cano or 7.92x33mm Kurz. I’m con-vinced, however, that the key to

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getting good accuracy across the board with just about any cast bul-let rifle load is Accurate 5744 pow-der. Never have I experienced such accurate cast bullet handloads in rounds from .222 Remington to the .45-90 Sharps and Winchester as with this powder.

As an experiment a few years back, 20 grains of A-5744 was

poured in .308 Winchester cases and RCBS 308-200-SIL and Lyman 311299 bullets were seated over it. Cast of Linotype, both weighed 195 grains, were sized to .310 inch, fitted with Lyman gas checks and lubed with SPG. I had never previ-ously fired this bullet in any rifle. Range testing was done with my old Model 70 Winchester Feath-erweight and a Remington Model 700V, in which I had never fired any cast bullet. The very first group from the Model 700V mea-sured a mere .88 inch at 100 yards.

The same Lyman bullet over 25 grains of A-5744 in several of my military .30-06 bolt actions gives 11⁄2-MOA groups at 100 yards. Put-ting 27 grains of it under a 190-grain Redding/SAECO 081 bullet sized .325 inch and gas checked cuts the same size groups from several 8x57mm military rifles. Results have been the same for at least a half-dozen other vintage military cartridges.

The same is true in big bores. In .45-70s with RCBS bullet 45-405-

FN, sized .458 inch and using Hor-nady gas checks, 24 grains gives low enough pressures for good condition 1800’s vintage rifles, such as “trapdoor” Springfields, original Sharps Model 1874s, Rem-ington No. 1 rolling blocks and Winchester 1886 and Marlin 1881 rifles. According to Lyman’s cur-rent Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition, .45-70 loads with A-5744 can be upped for higher velocities in “stronger” .45-70 rifles, but a 405-grain bullet at 1,200 to 1,300 fps has plenty enough recoil for me.

Preferred bullets for smokeless powder in all .45-70 loads is the RCBS 45-405-FN, gas-checked bullet (left), and Lyman’s 457125 is used for black-powder loads (center and right).

Mike settled on 115- and 230-grain FMJ bullets from Zero Bullet Company for 9mm Luger and .45 Auto loads.

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Handloaders need not concern themselves with any special antics when using A-5744, such as case fillers or wads to hold powder back near the primer. In fact, using fill-ers ensures the rifles’ chambers will be ringed sooner than later. The only step I take with any car-tridge with cast bullets and A-5744 propellant is to apply a solid crimp on the bullet to help ensure clean burning of the powder.

Developing match-quality hand-loads for BPCR Silhouette shoot-ing is a detailed endeavor about which I’ve written previous arti-cles and even books. However, one go-to tip I can give in the space here is about bullets and .45-70s. When a new .45-70 single shot gets into my mitts, its first test rounds carry Lyman’s 457125 bul-lets cast of 1:20 alloy, sized .458 inch and lubed with SPG. That bul-let, seated over whatever amount of black powder chosen, at the seating depth allowed by the rifle’s chamber and sparked by CCI BR2 primers will likely indicate if the rifle will be competitive. Or in plain language: Is it worth putting more effort into developing match loads?

There are many more go-to hand- loads, mostly for cartridges for es-oteric rounds like the 8mm Japa-nese Nambu or 7.5x54mm French. Those listed in the tables are for more popular cartridges. By no means have I settled on go-to loads for each and every cartridge for which guns are currently in my vault. Hopefully in the near future there will be more to share.

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