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OutfromunderMajestic:DanBurischuncensored

AvideointerviewwithDanBurisch-Part2LasVegas,July2006

Shot,editedanddirectedbyKerryLynnCassidy(continuedfromPart1-pleaseclickhere)

...theresarealhumanbeingbehindit,asmessedupastheyare,probably

more...Yeah.Theyoughttoknowthat.

RelationshipwithChielah:J-RodKerryCassidy:Imgoingtotellyouhonestly.WhenIsawBillHamiltonssegment,interviewwithyouandyouretalkingaboutyourrelationshipwithJ-Rodandhowyoucommunicatedwithhimtelepathically...


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DanBurisch:Uhhuh.

K:Thatstruckmeasincrediblyreal.AndfromthatpointonIwasveryinterestedinwhatyouhadtosay.

D:Ah...

K:BecauseIsaid,thismanreallyexperiencedthis.Thisisnotbullshit.Thisistherealthing.

D:Yeah.

K:Soifyoucouldreiterate,kindofhowyoustartedworkingwithJ-Rod...

D:Well,hewasworkingwithmebeforeIeverknewhim.Ofcourse,hewasonboard,asIunderstand.IhavenomemoryofhimdirectlybutImean,asIunderstandit,in73...hehadtraveledto73andthen...thisisevenwhatIsaidtoJeffRenseonthephone.Youknow,Isaid,MyGod,ifthisdoesntboggle.Imean,itboggledmymind.Andwhenyouthinkaboutparadoxestostartwith.Thathetraveledto73,Iwaspickedupandthenhesubsequentlytraveledbacktothe53timeframeandtherewasacrash.WhichmeansthathewasheldatS-4in1973,atthetimethatIwasplayingbaseballwithmygrandpa,andthathewasalsoonboardthecraft,impingingintoourtime,liftingmeup.Prosaically,man,itsoundscrazy,but,yeah,itsaparadox,Iguess,Imean...

butIactuallycameintodirectcontactwithhimattheendof1993,thestartof94.

Yeah,thereissomethingwrongwithhim.Duringtheentiretyofmyexperiencearoundhim,heappearedthebestthatIcandescribeisoff-shifted.Almostlike...Imean,hewasphysical.Ifelthimthroughtheglove.Therewasmattertherewithme,butalmostlikehewasaghostwithabody.Hedidntbelong.Hedidnotbelongwherehewas.Yetwhenhewouldcommunicate,whenhewoulddotheentrainment...ah...theythumpyou.Almost...itsalmostacoustically.Theythumpyou,and...untiltheyfinallycomeintocontactwiththebrain-levelwaveswheretheycanbegincommunicating.Anditcomesinwaves.Itsalmostlikeflukesonadolphin.Itcomesinwaves.Andthenyoufeelyourselfpulled

in.Astheentrainmentisoccurringtheperceptionisbeingpulledintohiseyes.Veryunwieldy[chuckle]feeling.Butthentheyentrain,bringyou...bringyoudownto,youknow,relaxedalmosttoathetastate,likean8hertzthing,thetastate,whereyourevery,almostlikedrowsyandtheytellyou,youknow,theyrenotgoingtohurtyou.Hedidthat.Heactuallysaidthathewouldnotharmme.

Whenhesteppedforwardonme,whenweweredoingtheoldbridesdance,aswenicknamedit,whereIwould...Iwassupposedtostepforwardtohim,almostliketakingabridesstepuptheaisle,andthenhedidthethingbacktomealmostjokingly...butitwassounwieldybecausehebroketheprotocol.Itwaslikeeverythingthathadbeenestablishedoftrustatthatmoment...itwenttohell.AndIgotsoafraid.Therewasananimalresponseinmeatthatmoment,a

very,veryhumananimalisticresponse...Getmethehelloutofhere.

Yeah,IsteppedbackwardandfellbackwardontomybackandthatisreallywhatIperceivedmyselfasdoing.AsIsaidtoJeff[Rense],IfeltlikeIwasacockroach,youknow,lyingonmybackinthere.Andhewalkedupontome.Iheardthemyelling,Firetherepress.Theyweregoingtointumescehim.Theyweregoingtohurthim,sothathewouldnthurtmeandIwastryingtoyellNo!andImnotevensuretothisdayifIreallyyelledNoorifitwasjustinmymind.Thestresswasthatbadatthemoment.Andhewalked,literally


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walked,upontomeandsatonmychest.Hedidntknockmeoveroranything.Therewas,Ithink,Ronoracoupleotherpeoplesaid,Ohweknowheknockedyouoverinthecleansuit.Hecouldntknockmeover.Hewastooweaktoknockmeover.Evenifhewasnt,givenhissizehecouldnthaveknockedmeover.

K:Andhowtallwashe?

D:Justalittleoverthreefeet,huncheddown.

K:Uhhuh.

D:Almostfourfeetifhewastobeextendedoutlengthwise,ifhewouldbelyingonhisbackandextendedoutlengthwise.Butthemalady,thethepathologies,underwhichhewassuffering,causedhimtohave...weakness,changeofgait,changeofstance,wheremostofthetimehewasextremelyhunchedoverforwardandhereallycouldntstandupstraight.Whenhewouldwalkhewouldwobbleandkindofshuffle.Hewasveryill,veryill.

K:Sohegotonyourchest.Hewalkedontoyourchest,orsatonyourchest.

D:Hewasactuallysittingonmyabdomenareabuthewasleaningforwardingonhishandsontomychest,pushingmedown.

K:Washe...sohewascommunicatingatthatmomentthathewasntgoingtohurtyou?

D:Yes,hesaid,Iwonthurtyou,Be-anie.HecalledmeBe-anie.AndthatgoestoBeanie...HebrokeEnglishupverystrangely.

K:Andyouheardthisinyourhead,Imassuming...

D:Ihearditinmyhead.

K:...itwasntoutloud.

D:No,Ihearditinmyhead,inmyownintrospectivevoicebutclearlynot

comingfromme.

K:Uhhuh.

D:Youknowthesoundofyourselfwhenyoutalktoyourself.Self-talk.Itsthesamesoundexcept...itsthewronglinguistics,thewrongwording.Youcantellitsnotyou.Andinitiallywhenthathappens,too,thereisa...Frommyperspectiveinitiallywhenitwashappening,therewasaverypanickyfeeling.ButofcoursethatinitiallyhappenedwhenIwaspartofB-unitteamwhenSteven[Dr.StevenMostow]wasstillgoingintothecleansphere.Helookedatmethroughthecleansphereandspoketomeandsaid,Iremember,andHello.

K:Meaninghe...thepersonwhowas...youcalled...whatwashisname,again?TheJ-Rodlookedatyou...

D:Chielah.

K:Chielahlookedatyouwhenyou...whenStevewasinthecleanspherewithhim...

D:Yes.


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K:...heturnedaroundandlookedatyou...

D:Yeah.Heturnedaroundandlookedatme.IwaspartofaB-unitteamtostartwith.Infact,thatwasgoingtobemyactualoccupationinthere,wasassistingthechiefscientistandgoingintothecleansphere,untilheidentifiedmeassomebody,Iguess,specialtohim...Chielah...andhewantedmetobethepersontogointhere.ThatswhyIwaspromoted,ultimately,totheworkinggrouplaterinthere.BecauseIdidnthavethebackground,didnothavetheseniority.I...itwasnotmyplace.Butthatswhythe,thepromotionhappened.

K:OK.So...

D:Thewayalotofpromotionshappenintheworld,Ithink.But...

K:[laughs]Togoback...

D:ThePeterPrinciple.

D&K:[laughing]

K:Sohewentontoyourchest,hetoldyouhewasntgoingtohurtyou.Didtheyactuallyzaphimthenordidthey...

D:IdontbelievesobecauseIwouldhavefelt...hebegantoentrainmeimmediatelyandstrongly.Herelaxedme.Theencephalinsandendorphinsweregoingbigtime.Theyentrainonseverallevelsandtheyareabletorelaxyoubyactuallyfloodingyouwithnaturalopiates.

K:Uhhuh.

Marci:Likearunnershigh.

D:Right.

K:So.Whathappenedafterthat?You...Imassuming...

D:Orthehighthatyoureceiveasyouaregoingthroughthenaturaldeathprocess.

K:Uhhuh.

M:Uhhuh.Yeah.Whereyounaturallykickouttheopiates...

D:Yeah.

K:But...OK.So,butwhathappenedafterthat?

D:Ah...afterthatIbegantosinkawayfromwhatwasgoingoninthecleansphereandwiththepanicthatwasgoingonovertheradio...becauseIheardem.Wehadtwoseparateunits,anEunitandBunitontheradio.Theywerelikeseparateradiofrequencies.AndIcouldpushthebuttonandtalkindependently.Buttheyweresteppingovereachother,screaming,saying,Getasecondaryunitready,...togetmeoutofthere.Theyweregoingtoenterintopullmeout.Andyoucantjuststepintherethatquickly.Imean,theyvegottosuitsomebodyuptobringthemin.YouknewbeforeyouweregoingintherethattheJ-Rod...ah...Weweretrainedthattheywereathreat.


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K:Really...

D:Sothatwewerenotsupposedtocommunicateprivatelywiththemoranythinglikethatwehadacertainjobtodoandwewouldgetitdone.Andthatwasthescientificjobofremovingthesamplesandthenthestudyofthesamplesforthebackengineeringuseofthereversinglifechemicals.

K:Theideawastoreversehis...anillnessthatheandhispeoplehave...

D:Yeah.

K:The52s?

D:The52s.Andwhatweweretryingtodoinitially...jumpingoffontothebiologyalittlebit...whatweweretryingtodoisweweretryingtoactuallystriptheexteriorcytoplasmofffromthecellsand...ah,producecellswhichwouldbeindependentlyfunctioning,thentounderstandthosecellsbiochemically,genetically,sothatthosecellscouldthenbere-addedasagraftintotheJ-Rodtoattempttoamelioratetheneuropathy.Thatswhatoneofthe,thestatedgoalswas.Easiersaidthandone.But...

K:Sookay...

D:Weweretold,though,thatifsomethingwouldgowronginthere,therewouldbenoimmediatefix.You,youwerentamillionmilesaway,butyouwereseveralthousandwhenyouwereinsidethere.Soyouwereveryaloneeventhoughyouhadradiocommunication.Itwasessentiallybeingisolatedonthespaceshuttle,ifyouwill.Andnotthateasily...youknow,notthateasytogetyouhome.Becausetheyhadtodoalltherepressurizationsofthegantry,bringsomebodynewin,thengetyouout,thengetyoudetoxed...thecleansing...thedecontamination,andthengetyououtofthere,thengetyououtofthesuit,thengiveyoumedicaltreatment.Soweretalkingacouplehours.Soifsomethinggoeswronginthere...andtheyarepotentiallyabletoharmyoubecauseofthe,theentrainment...youredead.Andthats...youacceptedbeforeyoueveracceptedgoinginthere.And...Buttoalargepartitwasnt,youknow,itwasntbravadoonourpart,saying,Itsnobigthing,butyou

hadtoacceptthatjusttoworkinsidethefacility.Youknewthatiftherewasa...acontamination,ifthealarmsstartedgoingoff,theoldjokewas,Getinastraight-backedchair,andleanwayoverandkissyour___goodbye.Itwasover.Becauseifthealarmsstartedgoingoff,youweresealedintothefacilityandtheyweregoingtopumpthegasinandfirethefuel-airdevice.Whoa!Thatswhatthe...thatswhattheexplosivevalveswerefor.Theso-calledescapetunnels,foryoutogetoutincasetherewasanemergency?Thosewereblow-offvents...

K:Hm.

D:...sotheycouldblowoffandexplodethefacility,blowoffoutofthe

PapooseRangeandkeeptheremainderofthefacilityintact.

K:So...butyourexperiencewiththeJ-Rodandtheotheronesyouvemethavebasically...Wereyouafraidforyourlifeatanytime?Inotherwords,didyouactually...

D:Iwasafraidformylifewhenhesteppedtowardme.AbsolutelyIwas.

K:Atthatmoment...


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D:Atthatmoment,butitwasaverytransient...youknow,itwasanephemeralmoment.

K:Howdidyou...

D:...that,thatpassedoffveryquicklybecausebiochemistryhelpedmecalmdownwhenheentrainedme.

K:Howdidyoufeel,though,inyour,sortof,interactionswithhim?Inotherwords,doyoufeelthat...Yousaidthatyoudidntrememberknowinghimintheoriginalmeeting...

D:No.

K:...inthespaceship.Right?

D:Right.

K:Butheremembered,clearly.

D:Heremembered.

K:Sodidyoufeelthatyouactuallydevelopedafriendshipwiththisbeing...

D:Oh,Iabsolutelydid.Iabsolutely...

K:...andthatitgrewovertime...ordidyoufeelthatitwasinstantlythere?

D:Thatsagoodquestion.IllsaythatIfeltakinshiptohimallalongfromthetimethathefirstlookedoveratme.Andthatmayhavebeenaconsequenceofmebeingpickedupinthepark.Thatmayhavebeen.Mytrustinwhathewassayingtomegrewovertime.

Marci:BecauseIrememberaskingyouthat.Ispecificallyaskedyouthat.

D:Yeah.Mytrustgrewovertime.

K:Butitwasperhapsonadeeperlevel...

D:Therewasanextantkinshiptherewithhim.

K:Uhhuh.

D:AndIthinkthatmayhavestartedbecauseofthepickupin73,Ithink.Imtryingtosurmiseit.Therewasapickupofthejovialnatureofourfriendshipovertime.Certainly...becauseIvegotkindofastrangesenseofhumorandhewasabletobefriendswiththatkindofsameweirdsenseofhumor,wherehewouldlookoveratmeandhewouldtellmethat...whathisbehaviorwas...becauseIcouldnttellwhenhewashappyorwhenhewassadbecauseofphysicalcharacteristics,thateasily.Youknow,youcantellfairlyquicklywithahuman

beingfromnow:iftheyrehappytheyresmilingatyou.ButIcouldnttellifthatwaspainorwhatitwasonhisfaceuntilhespecificallyinformedmethatthatshissmile,thatshislaugh.Asthatgrew,myrelationshipwithhimgrew.IbecamemoreattunedtohisphysicalresponsesaswellandIthinkthatpickedourfriendshipupaswellbecauseImmoreassociatingwithanotherhumanbeingwithphysicalreactionsaswell,youknow,inthecommunication.Andtheywerelessso.Sothatwasdifficult.Thatwasverydifficult.UntilIbecameattuned,whereIbecamemorerelaxedintowhathisphysicalresponseswere.WhenIknew


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hewaslaughing,afterthat,thenthatgotmeintotroublewiththefolksinthefacilitybecauseIreactednaturallytohisphysicalresponses.AndsoIwouldsmileorwhateveroverathim,andtheywouldsay,Whatistranspiringbetweenyoutwo?Idhearitcomeovertheradio.

K:Uhhuh.

D:SometimesIwouldoutandoutlietothemandsay,Nothing.BecauseIwasafraid.Ihad...Idid...Ihadafearoflosinghisfriendshiptoo,becauseIwantedtolearnmorefromhim.AndsoIwaswilling...andthesearethesamepeoplethat,youknow,willpointthegunatmewithverylittlecompunctionagainstit.Iwaswillingtobefriendly,too,becausehewasacaptivethereasIwasfeeling,too,acaptivewithinMajestic,becauseIhadbeenbroughtintoaprogramthatIhadnoclueforwhatIwasbeingbroughtinto.SoIfeltkindoftrespassedagainst,too.

K:Uhhuh.Soyouhadacamaraderieinthatsense.

D:Yeah.Wewerebothprisonersinourownright.

K:Didyouthinkthathehadtheabilitytoprotectyou?

D:No.I...infact,itwas...ifanything,itwastheotherwayaround.

K:Uhhuh.

D:Iwascoveringforhimandalotofhisanger.Hehadangerinhimtoo,andpain.Andangerasaresultofpainfromthesamplesbeingremoved.Iwascoveringforhimbynottellingthemoftheanger,becausethentheywouldhavefollowedanoperantconditioningprotocolthathadbeensetin,againsthim,topenalizehim.SoIwasactuallyprotectinghim.

K:So,butdidhe...

D:Hesahumanbeing,forChristssake.Imean,yougetstuckwithaneedleenoughtimes,yougetperturbed.Andwhenyourebeingtreatedlikecrapontopofit...aprisonerisaprisoner.

K:Inwhatwaywashetreatedlikecrap,asyouputit?

D:Ifhewouldntrespondastheytoldhim,theywouldfirearepressvalveandchangethepressurizationinthecleansphere,causingmildtomoderateintumescense,achangeofpressuresinhisskin,becausehewasoflesserdensity,physicaldensity,asinweightpervolume,density.ThereasonwhyImclarifyingthatisIveheardalotofnew-ageycommentsabout4thdensity.Idontknowaboutallofthat.Asinweightpervolumetypedensity,hewaslessdense,physically,thanwewere.Hisbonestructurewaslessdensethanwewere.

Sowhentheywouldfirethe,therepressvalve,ortheywouldintumesehim,itwouldcausehimgreatpain.AndIwasscreamingNo!andIthink,youknow,thatthetimethathesteppedupontome,Ithinktheythoughtthebetterofitatthemomentbecausehewasclearlyentrainingmeatthatmoment.Soiftheywouldhavefiredthepressurizationatthatpoint,Iwouldhavefeltthepainthathewasfeeling.Anditmighthavekilledme,Idontknow.

K:Right,becauseyoudevelopeda...fromwhatIunderstand,youdeveloped...


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likethemovieET,youdevelopedtheabilitytoactuallyfeelhispain.

D:Well,itwasnteven...itwasntevendeveloped.Itwasimmediate.

K:Oh,itwasimmediate.

D:Thethingwhichwasdeveloped....andImnotsure.Itmayhaveactuallybeensomesortofaneurologicalhabituation.Imnotcertainofthat.Butthethingwhichwasdevelopedwastheinabilitytodisentrain,tobreakofffromhim.

K:Evenwhenyouleftthecleansphere?Inotherwords,regardlessofwhereyouwere?

D:[noddingyes]Within,ah,acertainrange.Within,youknow,likea15meterrangefromhim.

K:Forexample,rightnow?

D:Iwas...Icould...

K:Rightnow,couldyou...

D:No,nonono.

K...feelhispain?

D:No.

K:Ifhewantedyoutofeelit,couldyou?

D:No,Idontbelieveso.Idontbelievethattheyre,ah...capable.Imean,youknow,weretalking...nowweretalkingtimedifference...

K:Uhhuh.

D:...hislackofphysicalexistenceinourreality.Andevenifweretalkingnotimedifference,weretalkingaboutalineardistanceofhowfarbetween

hereandReticulum.GoodGod.No.

K:HesbackatReticulumnow?

D:Yeah.FarasImaware.

K:Wow.

D:FarasImaware.

K:OK.

D:AsfarasImawareastowherehereturnedto.ThatsthebestinformationI

have.And,frankly,fromthetimethat...whenithappenedin2003theydontevenwanttodiscussthematterwithmebecauseitsarealsorepoint.IdidwhatIwasnotsupposedtodo.

K:Oh...youpushedhimthroughatimehole...

D:Ipushedhiminto...

K:...astarhole.


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D:...oneofthestargateunits,yeah,intothegraypatchbetweentheposts.Yeah.

K:Andthatwastheend...attheendofyourrelationshipwithhim?

D:Thatwastheend.ThatwasthelasttimeIsawhim.

K:Imean,wasthat...

D:Itwastheendoftheirrelationshiptoo,whichiswhytheyresopissedoff.

K:Whywereyoumotivatedtopushhiminto...

D:Heaskedmeto.Hetoldmehewantedtogohome.Hewantedtoseehisson.SoIdid.

K:Sohewasaprisoner,butatsomepointyouwereinaposition...ImthinkingthiswasinEgypt.

D:Itwas.

K:Somehowyouguyswere,weretakentoEgypt?

D:Yeah,Iwasflownthere.

K:Andsowashe.

D:Yeah,butoveradifferenttransport.Hehad...hewasalreadypresentbythetimeofmyarrival.Therewasacommunicationprotocolgoingon.Hewascommunicatingsomething.Iwasneverreallytold.AllIwastoldwasthattherewasaproblemwithhiscommunicationandtheywantedmetobetheretocausehimtorelaxorwhatever,tofacilitatethediscussion.Andsotheywantedmebasicallythereasanidolatheatri,asanidolofthetheatre.Theywantedmepresent.Theywantedmethere,asaruseofkinshipwithhim.

K:Andhadyou...

D:Andthekinshipwasnoruse.Andthatssomethingthatthattheymisinterpreted,Iguess,overtheseyears,thatIhavemoreofakinshipwithapresentdayhumanversushim.Andtome,althoughhewas,hewasoff-set,althoughheappeareddifferent,thathedidntbelong,hesstillahumanbeing,andahumanisahumanisahumantome.SoIhada...Ihadatruefriendshipwithhim.TherewastrueaffectiontherebetweenthetwobecausehewasshowingmethingsfromhischildhoodandIwasshowinghimthingsfrommineandwewereactuallyenjoyingeachothersexperienceofeachotherina...afriendship.ItwasatruefriendshipandIdontreallythinkthatMajesticeverregardeditthatway.Theyfeelthemselvessodamnsuperior,orthatweresuperiortothem.

Andmaybeitsareaction.Idontknow,maybeImrationalizingit,thatitsareactiontotheP-45sfeelingthatwereinferior...theso-calledroguesfeelingofus.Maybeitssomesortofarailingagainstthatorareactionagainstthat,thattheydevelopedtheattitude.Idontknow,butIknowthatIwasntsuperiortohimandhewasntsuperiortome...muchbrighter,butwerestilljusthumanbeings.Andjustcausesomebodyisbrighterthansomebodyelse,itdoesntmeantheyresuperior.

K:So,in...ImjusttryingtofigureoutwhyinEgypt...hewasthereandobviouslydoingsomeworkwiththem.


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D:Hewasthereaspartofacommunicationprogramthattheyhadongoingafterourprogram...well,wayafterourprogram,almostadecade,after...

K:Almosttenyearslater?

D:Well,Imean,youknow,ithadendedin96andwehadsomemorebriefingsin97butthatwasaboutit.

K:Soyouresayingthatyou...thishappenedrecently,thatyoupushedhimintothestargate?

D:Ithappenedattheendof2003and...youknow,Icouldtellfromtherelationshipwithhimthathewasbeinghonestwithme.Now,again,therehavebeenthosethathavecriticizedandsaid,Well,look,thisguyis52,000yearsalonganevolutionaryline,whichdoesnotnecessarilymakehimsmarter,butcertainlynotbetterifyoulookatthe...thepathology,but...thathehadtheability,ifhewasahumanbeing,tolie.Hm?Yep.AndwetalkedwitheachotheraboutlyingandMajesticneverknewthat.

Buthetoldmeaboutthingswhichwouldbehappeninginthefuture,inconsequential,generallyinconsequential,things.Andthenthereweresome

veryconsequentialthings.Butsomegenerallyinconsequentialthingsthathappenedsubsequent,whichtoldme,notonlywashefromthefuture,buthehadaccesstofuturematerialbecausenobodycouldhavepredictedconversations.Butthathewasbeinghonestwithmeaswell.Icouldfeelhisheart.Andthatsallwecanreallydo.Youknow,they...theyturnitintoajokeonCoasttoCoast:TheCoasttoCoastAMChallengewithBillBurnsandGeorgeNoory.Willyoustepuptotheplateandtakethispolygraphexam?Now...becausepolygraphdoesntwork.Ifapolygraphworked,wewouldntneedjuries.Wejudgeotherpeople,otherhumanbeings,bytheirhonesty,byempiricaldataandevidenceaswell,butbytheirspiritaswell.And...thespiritthatIjudgedhimbywaswhatIwasfeelingfromhim,fromhisheart,fromhismind.AndIjudgedhimbyhisrelationshipwithhischild,byhowheregardedhismother,byallofthese

thingsthatwechoosetoregard,inthehumanfamily,tomakedecisionsabouteachother.Thesamethings...Imean,thesecommonthingswerestillpresent.

K:So...

D:Therewerevery,youknow,manyuncommonaspectstotheirsocietytothenegatingofemotion,andthenegatingofpersonalnamesoutinsociety.Itwasstillbeingcarriedwithinfamilies.Therewasacommonthemetothehumanfamilywhichwasstillextantinhistime.And...IusedthataspartofmyprudentdiscernmentofhimorGod,Ihopeitwasthathewasagoodhumanbeing.

K:So,youassistedhimingoingthroughthestargate.

D:IpushedtheSegway-typetransportsetonthestroller.They,theylookedlikeBelljars,almost,overtopofSegway-typestrollerswhereyoucould...youknow,itwasalmost...almostwaistheight,wherethe,thebarwas.Wellyoucouldpushitinwhateverdirection,andittookverylittleefforttomoveit.Ah...andheaskedmetogohome.

K:Soyoupushedhimand...


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D:Idid.

K:...andwhathappenedtoyouwhenyoupushedhim?

D:Ipushedforward,thenthenextfeelingwasafeelingofnumbness.[chuckles]I...ForabriefmomentIthoughtIhadreallyscrewedupandmaybekilledmyselforwhateverbecauseIliterallyfeltnumbeverywhere.ThenIrememberaflashofgray.AndthenIwasseated,coughing,onablockabout20,30metersaway,maybe.AndIhadpeoplerushinguptome,stillover-dramaticallyactuallycockinganautomaticfirearmatme,screamingatme.AndIwasgrabbed,pickedupfromtheblockandtakenoverandsaid,youknow,Youreunderarrest.And,Imean,Ihadcommittedaviolationoftheprotocols.AndIwasbeingthreatenedwithweaponstomyheadandthingslikethat.

K:Sohowdid...

D:Whatdidhesaytoyou?And,youknow.Or,Areyouaspy?And,youknow...Theywerejustactingparanoid.No.Iwasntaspy.Ijustshovedhimintothestargateandhewentbye-bye.Andthatsessentiallywhathappened.

K:Howdidyou...howdidMajesticreactafterthat,toyou?

D:Veryangry,veryangry,includingthepeoplewithwhomImtheclosest...savetheonepresent.Veryangrytowardme.

K:Andhowdidtheyact...HowdoesMajesticactwhenitsangry?Imean,Iguessthisgetsbackto....werent...haventyoubeentortured?Imean,isntthisright?

D:Iwouldnt...IdontcallittortureasidefromthefactthatIvebeenfalselyimprisoned.Thatstorture.IwasforacoupleperiodsoftimeputatS-4in,inlevel3,andbasicallytold,Thatswhereyouarefornow.

K:Levelthreemeaning...

D:AtS-4.

K:Wasthatacell?

D:Ah,no.Itwasoneofthe,therooms,oneofthe,thesmallsuitesifyouwillwhichwereoriginallyputinthere.Theres12ofem,inthistrident.Theresthreegroupsoffour.AndIwasputintheunitone,overtotheleft.Anditwasessentially...Imean,it,youknow,containedalltheamenities.Icouldaskforfood.GoteverythingIwantedexceptIcouldntleave.Therewasnofreedom.Iconsiderthattorture.The...theothersitemsareactsofunkindness.AndactsofunkindnessfromMajesticcanrangefromeverythingfrompsychologicalunkindness-beingrudetoyou,tobeingthreatening,tobeing

physicallyharmful.AndIhavebeenbeaten.Ihavebeenslapped.Ihavebeenphysicallyrestrained,meaninghandcuffedandbeatenandslapped.Ihavebeenputunderlights.

K:Whowas...

D:Hell,Ihadfriendsdoingthattome.ButIhad,youknow,putunderintenselightsand...whilebeinghandcuffed,asininterrogated.Ihavebeentoldtoshutmymouthtothepointwheretwopeoplegrabbedme,oneshovedmedownonto


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thefloorofagarageandtheotheronestompedonandbrokemyhand.

K:So...andthesewerethemembersofMajesticthatcarriedoutthese...

D:Yes.

K:...attacks?Inotherwords,theydidnthiresomeone?

D:Yes...nottheJnumbers.NottheJnumbers.Thesewereoperatives.

K:Operatives.

D:Asinsecuritypersonnel.Yeah.

K:Isee.Sonotthe1through12,butpeoplethatworkforthem.

D:Ohno,noneofthemhavelaidanunkindhandonme,ever.Greataffection,ifanything,outofthem...

K:Buttheywereunderorders...

D:...likeonewouldshowgreataffectiontoapet.

K:These...OK[chuckles]Soyouwereviewedasapetbysomeofthem...

D:Well,Imnotsayingthat...

K:...butyouwerealsomistreatedontheirorders?

D:ImnotsayingIwasviewedasapet.ImsayingIdontknowwhats...whattheyretrulycarryingintheirhearts,intheirminds,andsothereexiststhepossibilitythataffectioncanbegrantedeitherhonestlyordisingenuously.Itcanbegranted...ah...persontopersononthesamelevel,orasanactofcondescending.

K:Well,letsbackupatinybit.

D:Well,yeah.

K:Majestic...

D:[GesturingoffcameraatMarci]ShebroughtupthenameTenet.GeorgeTenet...Oh,Ibetterwatchmymouth...

Marci:Uhhmm!ThatswhyImentionedthename.

D:...beforeIgetstartedtalkingheretoomuch.

M:Iknow.

D:GeorgeTenetwasaformerDirectorofCentralIntelligencefortheUnitedStatesofAmerica.Nowweremovingon.[laughs]

K:OK...So,butwhatyouweresayingaboutMajestichasgotmeinterested.[laughs]

D:[stilllaughing]Sorry...

K:ThatsOK.YourebasicallysayingthatMajesticisoperatingas...is


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independentofthegovernment.Isthatcorrect?

D:Yesandno.

K:Oraretheyoperatingunderthem?

D:Yesandno.Theyweresetindependentofdirectpresidentialauthorityasfarbackasthelate40s.However,theresmorethanoneindividualwhosits...whohassat...asamemberofthetwelvewhoareintimatelyinvolvedwiththeUnitedStatesgovernment,toincludeitshighestlevels.

K:OK.Andsothosepeoplewereactually...

D:OK.Itstimetoputthetapdancingshoeson.

K:[laughs]OK.Thosepeoplewereactuallyorderingyoutobe,asaresult,letssay,ofthisover...youknow,thissortofoversteppingtheline,pushingJ-Rodintothestargate,theywereorderingyoutobesequestered,tobebeaten,or...

D:Well,by...

K:...harmedinsomeway?

D:Bythetimethathappened...Allthebeatingshappenedpriortothat.Bythetimethathappenedtherewas...Basicallytheydidntknowwhattodowithme.Ittookeverybodysobysurprise...metoo[laughs]...whatIdid...Theydidntknowwhattodo,andsotheyreallydidnt.Imean,youknow,IgothauledaroundthereatthesiteforawhileandIgothauledbackheretotheUS,butIwasbasicallyafterthatjusttoldGohome.Theydidntknowwhattodo.

K:SoisthiswhyyouvebeenreleasedfromMajestic,becauseofthisincident?

D:No.No...Itwascomingneartheendofmytime,myusefulness,basically,anyway,asidefrombeingah...almostanelderstatesmenwiththem,becauseIdbeenaroundforlike20years.Myphysicalconditionhasgottenworse.Imnotwell,physically.SoIwouldnotbeofanyuseinsideofalaboratory.

K:OK,butwhyisthere...Iunderstandthattheresbeensomekindofadjournment,according...

D:Thatiscorrect.Majestic:TheNewBodyK:Andnowtheresanewbodyanditsnotgoingtobecomprisedofthesamepeopleastheoldbody?

D:True.

K:Sowhy?Whyhavetheychangedmembers?Whatsthemotivation?

D:Theresaswitchoverbetweentwosecretsocietiesgoingon.Oneishandingreinsovertotheotherandithasbeenlongplanned.However,itsnotbeenlongknownbyme.Butitsbeenlong,longplanned,probablydecades.Imcertainithastohavebeenfordecades.Thewaytheytalk.

K:SoMajesticisruledbyasecretsociety,iswhatyouresaying.


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D:Well,MajestichasbeenthemostfamousnexttoprobablytheFreemasonssecretsocietyofitself.AndtherearemanyoftheFreemasonswhoinhabittheMajestic,asaconsequenceoftheirrelationships.Thetwothingsarehappeningatthesametime.Andsotheirphilosophies,then,thephilosophiesoftheseassociatedsecretsocieties,liketheScottishRiteandYorkRite,arebeingimpartedintothesecretsocietyknownastheMajestic.

K:Sowhatsthequarrelbetween...

D:Youbringwhoyouaretowhereveryouare.Majesticvs.TheIlluminatiK:Sure.Butwhatsthequarrelbetween,say,theMajesticsocietyorgroupandtheIlluminati?

D:Thatisarealgood,anditsthebestquestiontobeasked,evenmoreimportantlythanthedifferencesbetweentheJ-Rods,becausethisimpactsus,Ithink,now.

Manymembersoftheupperechelon...andIdontmeanthehardworkingpeoplewhoworkonconstructionsites,forGodssakes...ManypeoplewhoareintheupperechelonoftheMasonicmovement,bothYorkandScottishrite,haveacceptedaphilosophywhichisLuciferianincontextandhistory.Manyofthepeoplewhoarenotdirectly,then,involvedwiththeMajestic,whoarealsoassociatedwith

thatLuciferianphilosophy,haverubbedupagainsteachotherfordecades,probablyevenlonger.SosomewherealongthelineinhistorytherewasaschismbetweenthoseindividualswhohaveacceptedtheLuciferianhistory,theLuciferianphilosophy,mixedwithothersecretsocietypeoplewhohavenot,andendedupintheMajestic...andpeoplewhohaveacceptedaLuciferian...almostlikeadifferent,ah...denomination?ifyouwill...acceptedaLuciferianphilosophywhoarenotassociatedwiththeMajestic.Inotherwords,wevegotdirtycoinsonbothsides.

K:OK.AndwhenyousayaLuciferianphilosophy...

D:Now...meaningamaterialistic,and,forlackofabettertermwhenitcomestotheactualEuropeanIlluminati,satanic,philosophy,wheretheyhavegiventheirlives,theirfamilies,theirsacredhonor,tothissatanicthoughtofcreatingaworldorderunderthepersonthattheyconsiderthetrueGod,whichwouldbeaLuciferianfigure.Now,thesepeoplehavealso(separatingthemfromthedirtycoinsintheMajesticside)...thesepeoplehavealsobeenacceptingoftheinfluenceoftheP-45rogues,whowanttojustifytheirownhistorybyourdemise,movingfromTimeline1overtoTimeline2,acatastrophe.Andso,thedifferencesbetweentheMajesticgroup,someofwhichtherehavebeentheseLuciferiansmixedinandthetrueIlluminatigroup....TheyrenotevenreallytrueIlluminati.Imean,thatsawordthatcomesbackmeaningEnlightenedOnes,andthesepeoplearenotenlightened.Theyaresimplyundertheinfluenceofafalselight.Thatthedifferencesbetweenthetwo,then,haveraiseditself

torancoreventhoughtheysharemuchincommonwitheachother.However,ontheMajesticsideyouhavealotofGod-fearingpeople,too.Alot.AndImnottalkingaboutspecificallyherethetwelve.Imtalkingaboutthelinepeople,thepeoplethatweveworkedwith.Goodpeople.Goodpeopletothebone,tothesoulwho,whowantnothingbut,butgoodfortheworld.

K:Sobasicallywhatyouretalkingaboutisthereseemstobeanalliancebetween,forlackofabetterword,theso-calledIlluminatigroupthathas


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satanicfollowers...

D:Uhhuh.

K:...andtheP-45s,whatyoucalltheP-45s...

D:Uhhuh.

K:...andtheMajesticgroup,which,eventhoughithassomemembersfromtheIlluminati,basicallyissidingwiththeP-52s...

D:Yeah.Iwouldntreallycallthemsome.IwouldsaythattheyareFreemasonswhohaveacceptedtheLuciferianinfluence.Inotherwords,theymaypersonallydisagreewithit,theLuciferianinfluence,butarestillactingasgoodpeople.

K:Forthebenefitofhumanity.

D:Forthebenefitofhumanity.Exactly.AndthentherearesomethatIhaveinteractedwithwhoareinvolvedwiththeso-calledtrueIlluminatiinEurope,thatareGod-fearingpeopletoo.Theresdirtycoinsandtherespolishedcoinsonbothsides.However...however,thedirtycoinsmakeupthevastmajorityofthegroupontheEuropeanIlluminatiside.

2012:TwoTimelines

K:OK.So,whatis...Nowletsgettothetimelinesandexplainjustbriefly,sincethisgetsoverintothefutureand2012,whattheP-45s,meaningtheyarefromthefuture45,000yearsaheadofus...

D:45,000yearsaheadonaseparatetimelinetowhatwearepresentlyon,butatimelinethatwecouldtransitionovertofromwherewearenow.So,ifwearetoacceptthatwetransition,Godforbid,fromTimeline1toTimeline2,theywouldbeconsidered45,000yearsand52,000years,respectively,aheadofus.RoswellTheindividualswhodumpednearRoswell,NewMexicobackinthe40swereapproximately24,000yearsaheadofusinTimeline2.Andthatwasamission

return,anEarthtoEarth,timetravelmission.

K:WereonTimeline1now,Imassumingyouresaying?

D:Yeah.

K:Andwereheadedfor2012andtheoreticallyacatastrophethatmayormaynothappen.

D:Rightaroundnow.

K:Rightaroundnow?

D:[laughs]Yeah.PlanetXand2012K:Andthiscatastrophe,hasitgotanythingtodowithPlanetX?

D:[longpause]Idontknow.ThereisthemosthonestanswerIcanprovideyou.Iknowalotofloreaboutarogueplanetcomingin.However,thematerialthatIveactuallyseen...Onarepetitive,ah...crossing,ifyouwill,ofEarthwithcatastrophicinfluences,happensnotonlybecauseofamatterofphysicsah,rogueandIdontmeanthistowardlikeJ-RodroguebutroguecrossingoftheEarth...asteroidsorcomets.)


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WhatIhaveheardisthattoprecipitatethecatastrophe,therewouldbe,aswepassintotheplaneoftheMilkyWay,somesortofenergeticburstthroughtheplaneofthegalaxybyvirtueofwormholesthataretraveling...thattravelthroughtheplaneofthegalaxyfromthecenterofthegalaxy,whichhavebeendepictedinancientlore...calledtheSerpentRope...eventheancients...andthattheSerpentRopewouldreturnatthetimeoftheendoftheMayancalendar,revealing...andthereareseveralperspectivesastowhatitwillreveal.Butthatduringthissametime,thehistoryoftheJ-RodsrecordthatthisburstwillcauseadisruptionintheSunandthat,concomitantlywithenergeticburstsfromtheSunandfromthewormholeswhichwouldbepassingthroughourplanet,thattherewouldbeadisasterprovokedbyvirtueofthesetimetraveldevices(theStargatedevices)andthetimeviewingdevices(theLookingGlassdevices)spontaneouslyturningonanddirectinganinappropriateamountofenergyintothecrustoftheEarth,precipitatingageophysicaldisaster.Thisgeophysicaldisaster,inaccordancewiththehistoryoftheJ-RodsandOrions,recordthatover4billion,157milliondieoveraseveralyearperiodbyvirtuetothegeophysicalshiftinthecrust.

K:So,thisiswhat...

D:Icant...

K:istrying

D:IgetnumbwhenIthinkaboutthenumbers.

K:...istryingtobeprevented?

D:Yes.

K:Isthisright?

D:Yes.Verytrue.

K:Andhowisitgoingtobeprevented?

D:Bythedisablingandthedestructionofsuchtechnology.Thatwewillnaturally,then,passthroughthisSerpentRopes.Theburstswilloccur,whateverthatmeans.Ihaventphysicallyseenit.Buttheburstswilloccurandtherewouldbeanimpartingofenergytoourplanetthatwill,gradually,naturally,causechangesinthehumanspeciesandthelifeofourplanet.Andthatthesechangeswouldbepositivechangesforourpeople.AndI...Ifranklythinkthatitsalreadyhappening.Theresarise,worldwide,in...AndIdontthinkitsjustagivensizeinthepopulationincrease.Butthereisariseinveryspiritual,talentedpeople.Thereisariseinsavants,theIndigochildren.Itsa...definitely,fromwhatIveseenfromreadingaboutthem...arealphenomenon.ThesechildrenareofanewtypeandIthinktheyareofthe

Timeline1type.Wereseeing,Ithinkinthesechildren,thesegreatkids,anexpressionofwhatwewillbeinourownfuture,ournextkindofstepahead.Werenotlookingmillionsofyearsaheadoranythinglikethat,butournextstepahead.AnditsawonderfulriseinconsciousnessthatIthinkwillprecipitatethenextrenaissanceforourpeople.Iseeithappening.LookingGlassThenumbersthatwereceivedbeforeLookingGlasswasshutdown,disbanded,wasthattherewouldbea19%probabilitywithan85%confidence,thatthedisasterwouldoccur,thattherewouldbeatransitionfromTimeline1toTimeline2.But,thatthenmeansthattheresan81%chancethatitwont.Andso,the


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individualswhowanttocarrythe,thenegativeline,areconvincedthatitsgoingtooccur,arenotpresentingthefacts.Thefactsare:thisisthematerialthatwehaveavailablethatweknow.

K:So,whatyouresayingistheIlluminati...togetbacktothatthread...

D:Yes.

K:...isbasicallythesidethatbelievesthatthetransitionsgonnaoccurfromonetimelinetotheother.

D:Notonlydotheybelieveitwilloccur,theywanttoprovokeit.

K:Butwhat...buthowdoesitbenefitthemto,toprovokeit?WhyshouldtheywanttobeP45s?

D:Theydont.Thelivingonesdont.TheyrelookingattheP-45sas,asameanstoanendforthem.Theyrenotgonnalivethatlong.Theyrejustgonnaliveanormalhumanlifeanddie,sotheywantthecontrolforthemselves.ThefactthattheP-45s...thatshowimmoralthesepeopleare.ThefactthattheP-45sarewantingus,to,attheirstageintheirowndevelopment,haveadisasterwhich,whichjustifiestheirownhistory,isbeingusedasameanstoanendbytheIlluminatiwhowouldliketoseethatthepopulationisculledsothattheycangaingreatercontrol.Theydontcare.

K:So,OK.So,what...

D:Theyjustwantforthemselves.Therearereallyhumanbeingsthatdontcare,orthatcareverylittle.

K:SowhatyouresayingistheIlluminatiwantthecatastrophetooccur...

D:Yes.

K:...sothatacertainnumber...three-quartersisthenumberIveheard...ofhumanitydies.TheygettheEarthtothemselves...

D:Well,thehistoryreadsaboutalittleovertwo-thirds.

K:OK.Two-thirds.

D:ThatswhatthehistoryoftheJ-Rodsactuallyreads.

K:Allright.Two-thirds.Andthenwhat?Imean,theystillhavetolivethroughEarthchangesandcataclysms,right?

D:Right.Butthesepeoplearealsotheoneswhohavetheirguaranteedpositionsinthesafetyzones...undergroundfacilities,etcetera.Andsotheyare

presumed...itisnotknownforcertain,buttheyarepresumedtohaveactuallybeenbetheprogenitorsifyouwill,ofthepeoplewhobecometheJ-Rods.

K:Iunderstand.Butinasense...thereisathoughtthatinasensetheP-45s,thatsideofhumanity,is...possiblybecomesalmostsoul-less.

D:Theybecomerepressed.Theystillhavetheirsamesouls,becauseevenafter7,000moreyearsofdevelopment,Icouldseethesoul,asyouseetheheartofanotherhumanbeing...IcouldseethesoulinChielah.So,itdidntleave


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andthencomeback...

K:ButChielahwasnotaP-45.

D:No.HewasaP-52,butthatjustmeansthathewas7,000yearsalongtheT2timelinefromwhentheP-45s...

K:Soheusedtobe...

D:...wereinexistence.

K:...or,hispeopleusedtobe,aP-45.

D:Yes.

K:AndaP-46,47,48.

D:Yes.Yes...yes.

K:OK.

D:Sothesouldidntgoawayandthencomeback.Itsbeenthere.Butthen...youknowwhat.Look.Youcansaythatsomepeoplearesoul-less.

K:Uhhuh.

D:TheNazis.Howmuchsouldidtheyhavewhentheythrewmygrandpaontoacar?Howmuchsouldidtheyhave?Weknowthattheyhadahumansoul,asblackasapparentlywhatitwasorascoveredoverintheirdementedbrainsbutIstillprayforthemthattheyve...eventhem...thattheyvebeenmadewholewithGod.Buttheystillhadtheirsoulseventhoughitwasrepressed.

K:So...

D:Inlikemanner,theP-45shaveasoul.

K:OK.Wellthenwhat...OK.YouvetalkedabouttheP-52OrionsandtheP-52

J-Rods.AmIright?

D:Uhhuh.NordicsfromOrionK:OK.Whatcausesthesplit?BecausetheOrions,Imthinking,aretheblondNordics.

D:Theyaretheonesthatprefertostayoutofthesafetyzoneswhenithappens.Theyarethesurvivorswhodonotgounderground.

K:Arethesegood...isthisagooddivisionofhumanity?Imean,theP-52OrionNordic?

D:Idontconsideranydivisionofhumanitygood.IconsiderthemthemorepositiveofthetwobecauseIconsiderthepositiveaspectsofhumanitytobethespiritualaspects.

K:SoyouresayingtheNordiclineisspiritual.

D:Yeah.

K:Wasspiritual.


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D:Extremely.Yeah.

K:OK.SohowdoestheNordicline...Imean,yousaytheystayout...

D:TheyactuallymoveofffromEarthfirst.TheJ-Rods,ortheprecursorstotheJ-Rods,stayonEarthforagreatdealoftime,wellafter24,000yearsfromthetimeofthetransition,24,000yearsfromnow.Becausetheywere24-or-so-thousandyearsaheadofuswhentheycrashedinRoswellin1947.Thosewere24s.Theystay.TheOrionsmoveofffirsttotheplace...afterthereestablishmentofasocietyonthesurfaceoftheEarth...technologyisrefurbished,etcetera....theymoveofftotheplacewheretheArkisheld.TheArkontheMoonK:Whichiswhere?

D:Ournearestbody,theMoon.

K:TheMoon.

D:Whereonit,Imnotgoingtosay.

K:OK.Well,thisgetsinto...

D:BecauseofhavingtodefendagainstthepossibilityofTimeline1transitioningovertoTimeline2inamannerdifferentthanIvebeentold.AndImnotgoingtobethepersonwhohandsoffthewronginformation.

K:So...OK,butyouresayingtheNordicsaregoingtogetoffEarthifthecatastrophehappens.Orregardless.

D:Theyleaveafter.

K:Afterthecatastrophehappens.

D:Presumablyseveralthousandyearsafterithappens,theyleave.

K:Severalthousandyears.

D:Yes,theymovetotheMoon.

K:Oh.Iwasgettingtheimpressionyouweretalkingaboutthemgoingonspaceshipsorsomething.

D[shakingheadno]Notreally.No.TheymoveofftotheMoonseveralthousandyears,viaspacecraft.TheygettotheplacewheretheArkwasheldandthattheyre-establishanewcommunity.FromtheretheymovetoMars.FromMars,outtoOrion.

K:Sothey...

D:Weretalkingalotoftimehere.TheFaceonMarsK:ThefaceonMars...isthis...ArewelookingatsomethingthatwasleftbehindbytheNordics?

D:Uhhuh.

K:Sowerelooking...


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D:AsbestasIknow.

K:...werelookingforwardtoourfuturewhen...

D:Werelookingataparadox.

K:...whenwerelookingattheruins.

D:Yeah.Werelookingataparadoxoftheirruins,whichtheyleftonanotherplanet.

K:Inthe...inourfuture.

D:Inourfuture.

K:Inourpossiblefuture.

D:Yep.

K:OK,well,tocomeback...

D:[pointingatKerry]ShesactuallygotthebestcommandofthisinformationofanyoneinthepublicwithwhomIvespoken.

Marci:Iknow.

K:[laughs]Thankyou.Thatsaverysweetthingtosay.

D:Itshonest.

K:Thankyou.Wevegota...Imgettinganotherquestionherefromoursmallaudience,andImustsaythatBillRyan...

D:BillRyanoftheOrions?[laughs]

K:BillRyanisalsosittingwithmeand,andlisteningtothisamazing

informationandaskingsomegoodquestions.

Bill:WhenwerelookingatMars,arewelookingintothefuture?

D:Nowthequestionisthis...

B:Ijustdontunderstandthat.

D:Thequestionof...ofthedayisthatwhatisgoingtohappen?Whatisgoingtohappenwhenthe...whenthetransitionoccursandweeithercontinueon1or,Godforbid,number2,happens?Ifnumber2happenswerenotgoingtobeworriedaboutMars.Wewillhavemuchmoreimportantthingstoworryaboutatthat

moment.

Letssay,Godwilling,andIthinkwewill,remainonTimeline1...whatsgoingtohappenwithourimageryofMars?Ithinkthatwewillprobablyremembertakingimagesoftheseanomalousstructures.Andtherehavebeensomeanomalousstructuresimagedonthemoonaswell.Ithinkwereprobablygoingtorememberthat.AtleastIthinkso.Ifwedont,itsnotgoingtomatter,now,isit?

K:Sowhatyouresayingisweregonnagobacktotheideathatwenever...


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thatthereareno...isnofaceonMars.TheScorpionD:OrtherewillbeafaceonMarsanditwillbepresentedtousatthatmomentassomethingdifferent.Maybethebrickswillturntorocksandwewillgetthereandfindoutthatallthesebeautifulruins,includingthe,theScorpion.Youdontthinkitsascorpion,tellmewhatitis,OK?IllshowyoutheimagesfromStarCity.Onthetopofthispyramid.Ifitsnotascorpion,tellmewhatitis.But,perhapsweregoingtogetthereandweregoingtofindoutthatallofthispresumedarchitecturethatweareseeingbyvirtueofthegeometrythatweareattemptingtoapplytotheseimages,isnothingmorethanrocks,thatweveneverbeenthere.Because,atthatmoment,becausewehadnottransitedovertoTimeline2,thatwehavenevervisitedthereuntilwefinallyputmanonMars.

B:Buttheresaprofoundparadoxhere...

K:OK.

B:...because...

D:Thereis.

B:...becausewhatIhearyousayingisthatwerelookingthroughtelescopes,

wherewerereceivinglightinpresenttime,withafewminutesdifference...

D:Afewminutes.

B:...thatsbeingreflectedoffobjectsonthesurfaceofMars,thatwereactuallylookingatapossiblefuture.

D:Thatsright.

B:Idontunderstand.

NewtonianSuperimposing...

D:Thereareimpactsintoourtimelinenowwhichhaveoccurred.ThisistheinformationthatIreceivednotonlyfromChielah,butalsofromthematerialwithinMajestic.Thereareimpactsintoourrealitynow,ourtimelinenow,byvirtueoftheamountoftimetravelwhichhasoccurred.Everytimetheyhavegonebackintime,theyhavecausedsmallparadoxeswhichhavebuiltupasourrealitythatwenowperceive.Inotherwords,thereisactualNewtoniansuperimposing.Andthatisafrighteningthingtome.

K:So,itsalmostlikeputtingmoneyinthebank,though,everytimetheycome,fromtheP-45,inasense.Theirtimeline...

D:Ilookatitmoreascreatingalargerheapofmanure.[laughs]

K:Well,OK.[laughs]Emphasisappreciated.However,nonetheless,itislikeadeposittowardstheactualoccurrencehappening.It...Imean...

D:Idontknow.

K:...theyareagentsofchange,inasense.

D:Theyareagentsofchangeasallhumanbeingsareagentsofchange.ButIdontknowwhetherthereisacauseeffect,whetherthereisanexusbetweencauseandeffect,havingtodowiththeiramountoftimetravelandthe


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superimpositionwhichisgoingoninourreality,andthedisasteritself.Ithinkthatthedisasteritself,fromeverythingthatIvereadandheard,isadirect,ah...consequenceofthetechnologicalaspectofbringingtoomuchenergytowardus,inanon-naturalmanner.

K:OK.Wellbasicallyyouresayingtherestwotimelines.Imean,Imsureyoureawareoftheworkofphysicistsnowthataresaying,Look,ifyoucanhavetwotimelines,youcanhavetwomillion.

D:Well,dontwereallyhavethree?Orfour.Imdiscussing24,000s.Imdiscussing45,000s,52,000sandpresentday.Howmanytimelinesarethat?Becausethesepeoplemovedaheadlinearlyintheirtimeline.JustbecausewewanttocallitTimeline2doesntmeanthatthereareothereffectsorsuperimposingswhichareoccurringondifferentrealitiesduringeventheirowntimelines.Wedontknow.

K:Exactly.ImeantheresasenseinwhichwhatyouaretalkingaboutisnotsomuchthattheP-45s,forexample,Timeline1exists,asitwillactuallyseparatefromourrealityandbecomemorelikeaparallelrealityinsteadofanintersectingone.

D:FromwhatIunderstand,thepeoplewhoarejustprior,whichwouldbeusaccordingtotheirhistory,tothepeoplewhowerejustafter,existasastraightvectoroftime.Soinotherwords,Godforbidthecatastropheoccur,it

willjustappearastomorrowandacatastropheoccurs,etcetera,etcetera,andwemoveforwardandchangesstartoccurringintheEarth,thereisadisaster,thereisalossof,ofhugelife,etcetera.Youwontprobablyfeelanythingchangeasidefromthefactthatwellallberunningscaredforourlives.AsidefromthatIhavenoexplanation.

K:OK.Youresayingthatifthecatastropheoccurs.

D:Yeah.

K:Butifitdoesntoccur,theresstilltheelementinwhichwehavebeenvisitedby,byatimelinewhichreallydoesexistinasense...

D:I...I...

K:...andhowdoyouunmakesomethingwhichhasbeenmade?[Danshakingheadno]Thatskindof...Imean,itskindofmoreofaphilosophicalquestion...

D:Idontknow,andallIcandoisdefertothecreatoronthat...

K:OK.

D:...issuebecauseallwedoisperturb...

K:Whathastoldyouthatthisistrue?

D:Alloftheabove.

K:OK.

D:Itsalloftheabove,plusinformationdirectlyfromMajestic.LookingGlassTechnologyK:WhyisMajesticinaplacetoknowthatthisactuallyhappensordoesnthappen?Inotherwords,youvegottheLookingGlasstechnologythattheyused,


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andyouused.And,youwereinstrumental...

D:No,Ididntuseit,personally.

K:...indiscovering?Wereyouin...No?

D:No.Oh,nononono.Thisisanoriginaltechnologywhichwasderivedfromancientcylinderseals,bypeoplefromourfuturewhoprovidedittous,meaningtherogues,theP-45s.

K:OK.Thepeoplewho...

D:Wewouldnthave...

K:...arenegative.

D:Thatsright.Wewouldnthavethislovelytechnologyifitwasntplantedinourpastforustousenow.Theentiretyofthetechnologymusteitherbedisabledordestroyed.

K:Inotherwords,tounmakethetechnology.

D:Untilatleast...

K:Sothat...

D:...afterwepassthroughthistimeperiod.Thereisnoway.Fromthedeceit,theconceit,theavarice,andthegreedthatIhavebeenaroundoverthelasttwentyyears...sothatsthegoodsideofthesetwodirtycoins.Thereisnowaythattheyrenotgonnastartthisequipmentbackupagainifitsusableafterthis.Ofcoursetheyregoingto.Comeon.Imean,theyvegotthis...itslikeamagicbox...totrytoseeintothefuture.Whattheyregoingtodointhefuturewithregardtothat,Ivegotnoclue.IhavenopoweroveritandIhavenoclue.

K:OK.SothisLookingGlasstechnologycomesfromcylinderseals.

D:Originally,yes.

K:How?

D:Originallyitwasaseriesofinstructionsforaccessingthewormholes,whichnaturallypassinthehyperspaceinwhichwefindourselves.Andfromtheretheyworkedonthetechnology,theybuilttheequipmentfromtheinstructions.Afterbuildingtheequipmentfromtheinstructions,theybegantotweakitandfinddifferentthingsoutaboutit.Oneofthethingsthattheyfoundisthattheycouldactuallyuseitasapeeringportal,likeapeeringglass,ifyouwill,to

seedifferentaspectsof,notonlythefuture,butthepast.

K:AretheseSumerian...ah,Sumerian...

D:IwouldsaythattheyslightlypredateSumeriantimeframebutthatsomeoftheinformationwhichcamedownfromcylindersealsthatslightlypredatedtheSumeriantimeframewerethenrecopiedinSumeriansealsaswell,and...

K:AndEgyptian?


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D:...thosecylinderseals...Ohyes.Andthosecylinderseals,tothebestofmyknowledge,haveallbeenobtained.

K:FromIraq.

D:SomeofthemfromIraq.Yes.

K:SomeofthemfromEgypt?

D:Someofthemfromother...SomeofthemfromEgypt.Someofthemfromothercountrieswheretheywerebeingstored.

K:And...

D:AndIreallydontwanttogetmycountryintotoomanyproblemshere.[laughing]

K:And,andyougot...

Marci:Ifwecouldstopforasecond...

K:Goahead.

M:Iwanttoreiterate.TherogueP-45sjumpedback,seededthetechnologybecause...

D:[nodsheadyes]Uhhuh.

M:...thatswhattheywantedtodo,wastoseedthelandtohelpfacilitatethecatastrophe.Becausebyplacingthetechnologyavailabletheyknewthat...itwouldbeutilized.Andaslongasweaspeople...OhmyGod.[cameraturnstoMarci].But,theywantedtogoback...

D:Ohplease,tapeher!

M:...andseedthetechnologybecausetheyfeltthat,aspeople,wewouldbe

unabletobreakourselvesawayfromusingthattechnology.

K:Howisitthatthistechnologyisbeingutilizednow?Andisnt...ifyouretalkingaboutawormhole,isntitthesamethingasastargate?

D:Essentially,yes.Thetechnologyisnotbeingutilizednow.Anywherewefindit,wetakeit.

K:Whoswe?

D:Ah...

K:Becauseyouhavewarringfactions.

D:We...

K:YouvegottheIlluminationtheonehand,youvegottheMajesticonanother.

D:Yep.Weisthe...weistheUnitedStatesaspartoftheUN.Youknow...IdontreallywanttocommenttoomuchaboutNATOandwhoscontrollingtheNATOallianceatthispoint.But....


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K:IsntitafactthattheIlluminati....

D:Weredoingmostofthelionsshare.

K:...wouldbestealingbackthisLooking...?Imean,iftheywantittohappen,they...Theirobjectivewouldbetostealthesecylindersandgetthem...

D:[noddingheadyes]Yes.

K:...sothattheycouldusetheLookingGlasstechnology.

D:Yes.Buttheycantshowupasanaggressortostealanythingbacksowhattheydoistheyvoteagainstus.

K:Howdoesthatstop...

D:Well,itplaysout...

K:...thetechnology?

D:ItplaysoutintheUN.Well,wehadLookingGlasstechnology,andportal,actualstargatetechnology,inIraq,aslateasthestartof2003.Andalotofcountriesdontwantus...didntwantustoenterIraq.Wedid,though,didnt

we?

K:Right.Buthowisitthat...Inotherwords,if...

D:Moammarjusthandedhistwoover.Wejusttoldhimthatweweregoingtomakehimrichbeyondavarice.AndhewasalittlesmarterthanSaddam,thatsall.Andsowhathedidishehandedthemoverandsays,Oh,please,comeintomycountry.Hesays,LookatmyequipmenttomakesurethatImnotmakinganyweaponsofmassdestruction.Meanwhile,outthebackdoorgoesthetwothatSaddamactuallyhadtransferredovertohim.

K:Cylinders?

D:Well,equipment,stargate...

K:Stargate.

D:...activating...

K:Portals.

D:...technology.Yeah.Forthemtoexperimentwith.Theywereexperimenting.

K:ButiftheLookingGlasstechnologyisthesamethingas...itaccessesawormhole...Thetechnology...

D:Itactually...

K:...itaccessesawormhole.

D:...doesthat.Yes.

K:Italsoaccessesstargates.

D:Well,thatsessentiallythesamething.Ivebeenusingthetermstargate


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technology...

K:Stargatesoccur...

D:...tomeanamachinethataccessesawormholebyspreadingouttheenergy,thestrangematterorwhateveritis...andImnotaphysicist...thatspreadsitoutinacompatiblewaytoeithercommunicatethroughit...orpassageofinformation.Thatincludesalso...

K:But,itoccurs...

D:...physicalbodies.

K:...itoccursnaturally.Stargatesoccurnaturally.

D:Indeedtheydo.

K:Sohowdoyouclosethose?

D:Youdont.Andwedontwantto.Wedontwantto.Thehistoryreadsthatthenaturalpassageofusthroughthisenergeticspaceisagoodthing.Butitsouruseoftechnologywhichprovokesthecatastrophe.

K:Soits...

D:Itsourenhancementofthisnaturalsystem,inappropriateenhancement,whichprovokesthecatastrophe.Andso,no,wedontwantthattohappen.Ithinkthattheenergeticsthatwerepassingthroughispartofwhatshappeningtousnaturally,thatschangingusinapositiveway.Itspartofthelovingcosmosthatwerepartof.Ithinkthatsprobablyoneofthefactors,notall,butoneofthefactorsfortheriseofthesebeautifulchildren,theIndigochildren.And,andImallforit.Imallforit.

K:Sowewanttoleavethestargates,thenaturalstargates.Theyreleavingthosealone.

D:Right.Wewanttokeepourhandsoffofnature.Pullourhandsaway.Getit

awayfromthefruitofthetreeoflife,sotospeak...getitaway,andjustletnaturehappenduringthistime.Thatwillbeagoodthing.However,wealsohavepeoplewhoopposethatbecausetheywantwhattheywantwhentheywantit.

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