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PHANTOM FLEETS OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY©
By Wayne Smith
“The Special Edition Collector’s Series” consists of models of ships that were proposed and
planned but were never built (“Never-weres”). Almost all have a historical background even if it
was just on paper. It's interesting to imagine how these ships would have performed against ships
that were built or against each other. These Superior 1:1200 scale models will be made available
from time to time on a limited "Special Production Run" basis. A short history follows for most.
The names of those in bold are models that have been produced and made available.
Ships that never existed elicit a certain fascination for ship lovers. In many cases they were larger
than existing ships and were cancelled for artificial reasons (materials, costs, higher priorities,
treaties) rather than being technically impossible. Even these large ships prove the triple
constraint of firepower, protection and speed. On any given displacement, increasing one
requires the decrease of one or both of the others. To paraphrase:
I can make it fast and powerful, but it won’t have any armor (battlecruiser)
I can make it fast and well protected, but it cannot sink another battleship (e.g. Scharnhorst)
I can make it powerful and well-protected but it will be slow (battleship)
Every ship suffers from these design constraints and even the largest of the never weres had some
limitations. These limitations are noted in the text. The largest of the completed battleships also
had design issues. Yamato was well armed and armored but had inferior torpedo protection and
was slower than desired. Bismarck was fast and relatively well armored but had inadequate
firepower and poorly protected turrets. Iowa traded suspect torpedo protection and heavy weather
handling for excellent fire-power, good protection and speed. If you want it all, the ship must be
very large and very expensive. In general, for the price of the very large ship, two adequate ships
could be built which have a better chance of winning the engagement. Suggested Seapower
values for many of these ships have been created by Bob Weymouth and are tabulated at the end
of the document. Some of the more well-known ships (e.g. Montana, H) are already in the
Seapower directory. The pictures scattered through the document are also courtesy of Bob
Weymouth. The drawings are those of the official US and German design bureaus. At the end of
the article are some thoughts on fleet dispositions given some changes in historical decisions.
These are the ‘What Ifs’ that are so fascinating.
BB Battleship Dimensions are length x width x depth under water
CC Battlecruiser 5x 2 means five twin mounts
CB Large Cruiser 4x3 means four triple mounts
CA Cruiser (Armored, later Heavy) DP means Dual Purpose (Anti-surface and anti-air)
CL Cruiser, Light
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Type Name Tons Dimensions Armament
A107 BB Montana 60,500 921x121x36 12-16”/50, 20-5”/54
A120 BB South Dakota
1921
42,500 684x105x33 12-16”, 16-6”, 8-5”
A125 BB BB65D 60,600 921x121x36 12-16”/50(quad), 12-6”/47
A126 BB Tillman IV-2 80,000 975x108x33 15-18”, 12-6”, 8-5”
A127 BB Georgia (MT II) 60,500 921x121x36 8-18”/50, 12-6”/47 DP
A128 BB Virginia (MT III) 60,500 921x121x36 9-18”/50, 12-6”/47 DP
A130 BB BB 1922 44,500 684x108x33 8-18”, 18-6”, 8-5”
A131 BB BB 1923 52,000 800x108x33 12-18”, 12-6”, 8-5”
A132 BB BB65A 45,000 888x108x38 12-16”, 20-5”/38
A133 BB BB65(I) 45,000 888x108x38 9-18”, 20-5”/38
A134 BB Maximum BB
1934
66,000 975x107x33 8-20”, 20-5”/38
A135 BB BB1917 35,700 644x100x30 10-16”, 22-6”, 4-3”
A136 BB BB65C 43,800 888x108x36 12-16”, 20-5”
A137 BB BB1934-2 35,000 745x102x31 8-16”, 14-5”, 16-1.1”
A138 BB BB1937 XVI 35,000 740x108x32 12-14”, 16-5”, 16-1.1” A141A BB BB65-8 67,000 1050x120x35 12-16”, 20-5” A141B BB BB65-8B 75,000 1050x122x36 12-18/48”, 12-6” DP
A142 BB Iowa Flight Deck 45,000 888x108x36 6-16”, 4-5”, 122 missiles
A143 BB Tillman D2/D4 80,000 975x108x38 24-16/50”, 16-6”,
A144 BB BB1926 35,000 625x106x31 10-16”/50, 16-6”, 8-5”
A145 BB Iowa – Tillman 59,000 975x108x38 15-16”, 16-5”,
A146 BB BB1937 IX-E 35,000 625x106x32 8x14” or 6x16”, 20-5”
A147 BB S. Dakota WW2 42,500 684x105x33 12-16”, 16-5”/38, 40mm
A148 BB Tillman IV-2 WW2 80,000 975x108x33 15-18”, 20-5”/38, 40mm
A149 BB BB65-1 (Jan,1940) 45,000 840x113x36 10-16”/50, 20-5”/54
A150 BB Kentucky (BBAA) 45,000 888x108x38 12-8”/55, 10-5”/54,24-3”/50
A151 BB Iowa (CIP) 45,000 888x108x38 9-16”/50, 20-5”/38, 24-3”/50
A152 BB Illinois BBG 45,000 888x108x38 6-16”, 12-5”/38,Talos, Tartar
A202 CC Lexington 1921 43,500 874x106x32 8-16”/50, 16-6”, 8-5”
A203 CC Lexington 1916 33,500 874x92x30 10-14”/50,18-5”
A204 BB Design D, 1918 54,500 874x106x32 12-16”/50,16-6”,
A205 CB CA2D 38,700 888x104x31 12-12”/50, 16-5”
A206 CB CA2 Super Baltimore 15,750 716x72x24 12-8”/55, 12-5”
A207 CB CAC 20,000 808x77x25 12-8”/55, 12-5”
A208 CB CA, Scheme 3 17,300 710x74x25 6-12”/50, 12-5”
A209 CC CC1933 33,500 775x92x32 9-14”/45, 16-5”/38
A210 CB CA Scheme M 22,500 735x82x26 10-10”/50, 12-5”
A211 CC Lexington WW2 Rig 43,500 874x106x32 8-16”/50, 20-5”/38
A313 CA Scout Cruiser C-1 10,000 620x57x18 7-8”/55, 4-5”, 4-3”, 6 TT
A411 CL CL1 Super Cleveland 13,300 680x68x22 12-6”/47, 12-5”/38 A510A CV CV-A 44,500 900x111x32 9-8”/55,8-5” A510B CV CV-B 38,500 900x104x32 16-6”/47
B103 BB Lion 40,550 793x105x33 9-16”, 16-5.25”, 84 2pdr
B110 BB Vanguard 42,300 814x108x34 8-15”, 16-5.25”, 73 2pdr
B111 BB Super Lion (16E-38) 48,500 850x108x34 12-16”, 16-5.25”, 84-2pdr
B112 BB N3 (1922) 48,500 815x106x32 9-18”, 16-6”, 6-4.7”
B113 BB BB1935 15A/B 35,000 770x104x31 9-15”, 20-4.5”, 32-2pdr
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B114 BB Lion Hybrid 44,750 800x112x30 6-16”, 16-5.25”, 14 AC
B115 BB Rodney-modernized 35,000 710x106x30 9-16”, 20-4.5”, 48-2pdr
B116 BB Super Lion with Vanguard superstructure See B111
B204 CC Invincible 1921(G3) 48,400 856x106x36 9-16”, 16-6”, 6-4.7”
B205 CC Hood 1944 41,200 860x104x32 8-15”, 16-5.25”, 56 2pdr
B206 CC F3 35,000 740x106x32 9-15”, 8-6”, 32 2pdr
B306 CA Admiral 16,500 670x80 9-8”, 16-4”, 6x21”TT
D201 CC Dutch 1047 28,000 778x98x26 9-11”, 12-4.7”, 14-40mm
F105 BB Gascogne 40,270 813x108x32 8-15”, 9-6”, 16-3.9”
F106 BB Alsace 45,000 900x108x31 12-15”, 12-6”, 16-3.9”
F307 CA St. Louis 14,470 662x66x19 9-8”/50, 10-3.9”
F901 BB Normandie 1916 25,230 578x89x30 12-13.4”, 24-5.5”
G103 BB H 39, 12x15” 56,200 873x121x33 12-15”, 12-5.9”, 16-4.1”
G104 BB H 39, 8x16” 56,200 873x121x33 8-16”, 12-5.9”, 16-4.1”
G105 BB H44 128,930 1200x169x44 8-20”, 12-5.9”, 16-4.1”
G203 CC OPQ 31,152 814x98x29 6-15”, 6-5.9”, 8-4.1”, 12 TT
G925 CC Mackensen
G906 BB L20 43,800 780x110x30 8-16.5”, 12-5.9”, 8-88mm,
G207 CB Kreuzer P 19,679 755x89x28 6-11”, 4-5.9”, 8-4.1”
G208 CC KW45 45,000 984x111 8-15”, 12-5.9”, 8-4.1”, 8 TT
G405 CL Kreuzer M 7,800 600x56x18 8-5.9”, 4-4.1”, 8-21” TT
I405 CL Ciano 10-6”/55, 10-90mm
J108 BB Tosa 38,500 768x100x31 10-16”,20-5.5”,8-24” TT
J109 BB Super
Yamato(798)
64,000 863x127x36 6-20”, 6-6.1”, 20-3.9”
J110 BB Number 13 47,500 900x101x31 8-18.9”, 16-5.5”, 8-24” TT
J111 BB A-140A 68,000 935x132x34 9-18”, 12-6.1”, 12-5”
J112 BB A-140/A2 68,000 935x132x34 8-18”, 12-6.1”, 12-5”
J113 BB A-140/B2 70,000 935x132x34 8-20”, 12-6.1”, 12-5”
J114 BB Fujimoto BB 35,000 762x105x28 9-16”, 12-6”, 8-4.7”AA
J115 BB Hiraga BB 35,000 761x105x29 10-16”, 16-6”, 8-4.7”AA
J201 CC Amagi 40,000 820x101x31 10-16”, 16-5.5”, 8-24” TT
J202 CC B-65 (795) 31,400 808x89x29 9-12”, 16-3.9”, 8-24” TT
J203 CC Japanese Vanguard 35,000 808x89x30 8-14”, 16-3.9”, 8-24” TT
J204 BB iFUSO 34,700 698x10x30 8-14”, 14-6”, 8-5”
J205 BB iISE 35,340 700x104x30 8-14”, 16-5.5”, 8-5”
J310 CA IBUKI 11,200 658x63x20 10-8”, 8-5”, 25-24” TT
J411 CL Improved AGANO 8,520 613x50x19 8-6”, 8-3”, 8-24” TT
R101 BB Sovetskii Soyuz 59,150 889x127x33 9-16”,12-6”,8-3.9”,32-37mm
R102 BB Gibbs & Cox ‘D’ 45,000 845x113x33 10-16”, 20-5”, 16-1.1”
R103 BB Project 24, (XIII) 72,950 925x132x38 9-16”, 16-5”, 48-45mm
R104 BB UP 41
R201 CC Kronstadt 35,240 813x103x28 9-12”, 8-6”, 8-3.9”,28-37mm
R202 CC Stalingrad 38,540 897x105x30 9-12”, 12-5.1”, 24-45mm
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The following is a table showing the construction of the completed and some incomplete or
projected battleships in WWII. Note that 11 of 28 completed ships were sunk, only 1 Allied.
Also note that the US ships were completed more quickly than any other countries.
Laid down to launching Launching to commissioning In service xxx Projected ♦ Sunk 1933 ‘34 ‘35 ‘36 ‘37 ‘38 ‘39 ‘40 ‘41 ‘42 ‘43 ‘44 ‘45
Fr Dunkerque ♦
Fr Strassburg ♦
Fr Richeliue
Fr Jean Bart
Fr Clemenceau x x x x x x x x x x x
Fr Gascogne x x x x x x x x x x x x
It Vittorio Veneto
It Littorio
It Roma ♦
It Impero x x x x x x x x x x x x
Ge Scharnhorst ♦
Ge Gneisnau ♦
Ge Bismarck
Ge Tirpitz ♦
Ge H x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Ge J x x x x x x x x x x x x x
GB King George V
GB Prince of Wales ♦
GB Duke of York
GB Anson
GB Howe
GB Lion x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
GB Temeraire x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
GB Vanguard
Jp Yamato ♦
Jp Musashi ♦
Jp Shinano ♦
Jp #111 x x x x x x X
SU Sovetzky Soyuz x x x
SU Sov Ukraina x x x
SU Sov Rossiya x x x x x x
SU Sov Belorussiya x x x x X
US N Carolina
US Washington
US S Dakota
US Massachussetts
US Indiana
US Alabama
US Iowa
US New Jersey
US Wisconsin
US Missouri
US Kentucky
US Illinois
US Montana x x x x x x x x x x
US Ohio x x x x x x x x x x
US Maine x x x x x x x x
US N Hampshire x x x x x x x x
US Louisiana x x x x x x x x
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A135 BB 1917
The story of many un-built US battleships starts with the story of BB 1917 and is tied to Secretary
of the Navy Josephus Daniels. Daniels tried to control the growth of battleships by restricting
them to incremental changes instead of significant growth. This is a study in futility where the
US could have had the best individual battleships in the world but were hamstrung by politics.
The 16” gun was approved by the General Board on 11/22/1911 but Daniels restricted the study
to blueprints only. On 10/22/1912 he authorized a secret prototype which was successfully fired
in August 1914. It was superior to both the British and German 15” guns.
Battleship 1915 (becoming the New Mexico class) could mount either 12-14” or 8 of the new
16”. In September 1913 (one year before the gun was successfully fired), the board voted for a
larger ship with 10-16”. By October 6 sketch designs were available with 3 presented below.
One of these alternatives was the Pennsylvania armed with 8-16”. All of these were more
expensive than the Pennsylvania so the New Mexico’s were only slightly improved
Pennsylvanias. In March 1914 characteristics for BB 1916 were submitted but Daniels ruled in
July 1914 (month prior to the 16” test firing) that the Tennessee would duplicate the New Mexico.
In May 1915 the fiasco was repeated. Previous arguments had centered on the merits of the 14”
vs. 16” when it was not appreciated that battle ranges would increase significantly and at shorter
ranges, the more numerous 14” was a better weapon. The increased battle ranges in the North
Sea and longer range torpedoes proved the efficacy of Scheme #3 of 1913. It now became the
basis of BB 1917. The Superior model of BB1917 is represented by Scheme 166 which mounted
their guns in a Texas arrangement. It is unfortunate that New Mexico was not a Pennsylvania
with 8-16”, disappointing that BB1917 was not the basis of the Tennessee and a crime they were
not built in place of the Maryland’s.
Oct 1913 #1 Oct 1913 #3 Oct 1913 # (PA hull) 166
Displacement 39,500 tons 35,500 tons 35,700 tons
Length 695’ 650’ 644’
Width 99’ 96’ 100’
Draft 31’ 30’ 30’
Speed 21 knots 21 knots 20.5
Armament 10-16”/45(5x2) 10-16”/45 (5x2) 10-16:/45 (5x2)
22-5”/51(22x1) 22-5”/51(22x1) 22-6”/53
4-3” AA
Armor belt: 16” 13.5” 13.5”
Deck/Splinter: 3.5” 3” 3”/ 1.5”
A120/ A120A SOUTH DAKOTA 1921
These were the last of the US dreadnoughts begun with the Nevada. Secretary of the Navy
Josephus Daniels finally relented on the size of US battleships with this design. These
represented a 30% increase in size from the Colorado, a 50% increase in firepower and 2 knots
more speed. Final designs were completed in January 1917 (same time frame as the Tillman IV-
2!) with 3 to be laid down in the fall of 1917 and the next three in 1918. The declaration of war
fatally delayed construction with them being scrapped under the terms of the Washington Treaty.
These ships represented the ultimate in US dreadnoughts and continued the American innovation
of thick deck armor, four turrets and endurance for Pacific warfare. World War II experience
demonstrated that early hits on fire control (Bismarck, Scharnhorst), steering positions (Hiei) or
overwhelming numbers of shells (Fuso) were more frequent and important than penetrating hits.
Mounting more guns than any of their contemporaries, having better ballistics with the 16”/50,
with adequate armor, excellent underwater protection and decent speed, they would have proven
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formidable opponents even though they weighed 5,000 tons less than the largest of the British and
Japanese ships.
A147 is predicated on South Dakota being rebuilt in WWII similar to the West Virginia. Modern
fire control, radar, 16x5” guns, massive 40mm batteries would have made these very formidable
ships that anything less than a Yamato could not handle. The 16”/50 Mk1, guided by Mk 8 fire
control, would have been just as lethal to most other battleships as the West Virginia was at
Surigao when she scored hits with her FIRST salvo at 22,000 yards in the dead of night.
A120 A147 (WWII)
Length 684’ same
Width 106’ same
Draft 33’ same
Speed 23 knots same
Armament 12-16”/50 (4x3) same
16-6”/53 (16x1) 16-5”/38 (8x2)
Armor belt: 13.5”
Deck: Main deck 3.5”, upper deck 1.25”, splinter deck 1.25”
Turrets: face 18”, roof 8”
A202/203/204/A211 LEXINGTON 1921/1916/Fast BB ‘D’/LEX WWII
These ships had a long conceptual stage, were interrupted by WWI and were finally cancelled by
the Washington Treaty. Prior to the Russo-Japanese War the US launched ten large armored
cruisers armed with four 8” or four 10” guns. The same size as current battleships, they traded
smaller guns and less armor for 4 knots more speed. By 1904 the Naval War College was calling
for armored cruisers with battleship guns and armor with cruiser speed by deleting all the lighter
guns. By 1906 this type was being heavily advocated, particularly in light of the battle of
Tsushima. The existence of 10 recently completed armored cruisers prevented any serious
decisions. By 1908 the battle cruiser was considered worth building that were the same size as
battleships with the same armament but 20% more speed.
In November 1909 several schemes were sketched by C&R by lengthening the ARKANSAS by
100 feet and eliminating the two central turrets leaving eight 12” guns at 25.5 knots. The
suppression of the two turrets allowed enough weight to carry battleship armor, similar to the
German DERFFLINGER. By July 1912, a series of battlecruiser designs were presented to the
Naval War College twelve different designs having light, medium or heavy armor and capable fo
26, 29 or 32 knots. All had eight 14” guns. The smallest of these was 29,300 tons (marginally
larger than KONGO), had an 8” belt and 26 knots while the largest was 79,000 (!) tons with a 14”
belt and 32 knots speed. Since all would compete for battleship funding, these remained design
studies only.
By April 1915, the GB was asking for “battle scouts” fast ships with protection against 6” guns
and mounting as many as four 16” guns. By September 1915, the ship had grown to 32,000 tons
with eight 14” guns and 35 knots speed. In April 2016 firepower was increased to ten 14”.
Design #169 started as the battlecruiser equivalent to the Nevada with 10-14” guns, 7 funnels and
capable of 35 knots (A203). High speed required voluminous machinery space and a high
freeboard to maintain speed. Turbo electric machinery was introduced in these ships and then
adopted for the Colorado and South Dakota. Heavy machinery, a large hull and powerful guns
left little displacement for armor. Half of the 24 boilers were above the armor deck which raised
concerns over their protection. The ends were so fine that the original turret arrangements called
for triples over twin like the Pensacola. The original armor scheme provided protection only
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against the light cruisers they were expected to encounter in an enemy screen. Design 169 was
approved on June 30,1916, only weeks after the battle of Jutland.
By January 1917 (same month the preliminary designs for the Tillman were completed), BuOrd
wanted to replace the main armament with at least 6-16”/50s and the 18-5” with 16-6”/53. While
the General Board was rejecting this, boiler and machinery design improved so that fewer boilers
consumed less space. Now only five funnels were required and new plans were completed in
May, 1917. Entry into WWI delayed construction and provided an opportunity to modify the
ship once again. By September 1917 the updated plans called for 16” and 6” guns, 8 torpedo
tubes and 4 aircraft. Design work was completed by October 1918.
While the design work was being completed, C&R obtained copies of the plans for HOOD and
battle damage assessment at Jutland and Dogger Bank. By June 1918, a new concept in US
battleships was ready. Design D combined the Lexington machinery in a fuller hull with the
South Dakota armament with a 12” belt and 3” upper deck capable of 29 knots. There was no
armor deck at the main deck level but a 2” splinter deck at mid-belt completed the deck armor.
These ships also had a 10” casemate belt similar to German ships that provided complete
protection up to the main deck. If the casemate belt was eliminated, 1.75” of deck armor could be
added to the splinter deck or the main deck. This would have also improved the structural
strength of a long, narrow ship with heavy turrets at the ends.
Unknown at the time, Design D was significantly superior to all the British and Japanese ships.
The General Board disapproved because they were worried that these ships would cause a
revolution like the Dreadnought and render the entire battle fleet obsolete. What they did not
recognize is that the Hood already did this and the Japanese were sure to follow the British lead.
The other major issue was cost. Four South Dakota 1921s or four Lexingtons could be built for
three Design D’s. It is interesting that Bywater’s book on “The Great Pacific War” contemplated
building battlecruisers mounting 18” guns; simply replace the main turrets of Project D with twin
18” and you have Bywater’s battlecruiser.
There was much vacillation in the General Board about what kind of war would be fought and
what type of ships would be required. Design D foreshadowed the future change in US
philosophy, which was embodied in all the fast BBs of WWII. Unlike the dreadnoughts,
firepower and speed were emphasized over protection. Foreshadowing the South Dakota /Iowa
evolution, 10,000 tons was required to improve the speed of the SD 1921 by 6 knots. Like
Project D, four South Dakota 1942s could be built for three Iowas. If the Washington treaty had
not intervened, either BB1923 or these ships would have been very likely South Dakota 1921
successors because both would have been cheaper than the Tillman. The choice would lie
between a powerful, slow BB carrying 18” guns or a fast BB with slightly less firepower and
armor.
The battlecruisers were slightly redesigned with the knowledge that no armor greater than 9” in
thickness was pierced at Jutland and this became the new protection standard. As finally
designed, Lexington had a sloping 7” belt that was the equivalent of the 9” ‘Jutland Standard’.
This paled in comparison with both the Japanese and British fast capital ships. Deck armor was
spread over 4 decks to contribute to hull strength. The upper deck was 2.25” with an armored
deck (splinter deck) of 2” at the waterline. The two decks in between had 1.5” of armor over the
outer 18 feet. Shells penetrating the side above the armor belt or penetrating the outer edge of the
upper deck would be fused and explode with the armored or splinter deck containing the
fragments. The angle of descent would have ensured that shells hitting the center of the decks
would also penetrate the outer deck on the far side of the ship and also be fused. Given what we
now know about spaced armor, this armor schema may not have been as bad as many critics
believed.
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If her armor was weak, her underwater protection was superb. Post WWI capital ships mainly
succumbed to underwater damage from submarine or aerial torpedo. Belts were rarely penetrated
and the most serious loss in a gun action was centralized fire control. In this respect, perhaps the
combination of high speed and powerful 16” guns would have served them well as it did in the
fast BBs of WWII. They were capable of escaping any other capital ship ever built. Lexington
and sister Saratoga were converted to aircraft carriers whose contribution to the US Navy was
even more important than the stillborn battlecruisers.
What might have these ships looked like if they served in WWII? A211 is the Lexington rebuilt
with the Iowa superstructure and massive 40mm batteries. These become very handsome ships
with a balanced main armament fore and aft and the elegant, clean lines of both ships. One
option as outlined in the table below is to replace the heavy turbo-electric drive with much more
efficient and lighter engines giving enough weight to increase the main deck and turret armor.
Having these ships would have eliminated the need for the Iowas. Since the plans for Iowa were
completed in 1938, a reasonable rebuilding schedule of 9 months (similar to Tennessee in 1942-
43) each could have started in June 1939 with the last completed in June 1942.
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LEX 1921 LEX 1916 Design D Lex WW2
Displacement 43,500 33,500 54,500 44,000
Length 874’ 874’ 874’ 874’
Width 106’ 92’ 106’ 106’
Draft 31’ 30’ 32’ 32’
Speed 33.75 knots 35 knots 29 33
Armament 8-16”/50 (4x2) 10-14”/50 12-16”/50 (4x3) 8-16”/50
16-6”/53 (16x1) 18-5” 16-6”/53 20-5”/38
Armor Belt: 7” sloped at 10 degrees 5” 12” 7”
Deck main/upper:2”/1.5” 1.5” 2”/ 2-3” 4”/1.5”
Turrets: face 11”, roof 5” face 6” face 16”, roof 6” face 16”,roof 7”
A126 Tillman IV-2
A143 Tillman D2 A148 Tillman WW2 Rig
Concentrated Firepower in the Pacific
Nicknamed after Senator Benjamin Tillman, SC, of the Senate Naval Affairs Committee, these
were the most powerful battleships ever designed by the United States. Noting that battleships
were increasing in size by 20-30% per year, he introduced a resolution in 1912 for the Navy to
report on the maximum size ship that could be built based on harbors and the Panama Canal.
Rather than build to this size ship incrementally, what would it cost to build it immediately?
Despite this request, US battleships remained roughly the same size through the Nevada,
Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Tennessee and Colorado classes. Secretary of the Navy Josephus
Daniels only relented on the size and expense of battleships with the South Dakota. In 1916
Tillman again repeated his request.
Congress created some initial characteristics of 60,000 tons mounting 10-18” guns. And they
gave the Navy one day to come up with a design! Fortunately, the Bureau of Construction and
Repair (BuC&R) was able to turn this over to naval constructor McBride who was responsible for
the contemporary South Dakota battleships. The following is not well understood by the layman:
1. McBride used the known Lexington power plant layout, weight and dimensions which
dictate funnel location and engineering space ventilation.
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2. While the original plans showed three funnels, the model is given two funnels reflecting
Lexington since it is the SAME engineering plant. If you compare the Superior
Lexington and Tillman, you will see that funnel spacing and engineering hatches are
exactly the same on both models.
3. McBride also extrapolated the scantlings used in the South Dakota and the Lexington to
calculate the hull strength.
BuC&R created four studies finishing in January 1917. Limitations were the Panama Canal
(1000 x 110x 40 feet) and US harbors with a depth of 34 feet. The studies represented a different
combination of armor, speed and armament emphasizing one above the others with the fourth one
allocating each characteristic equally. Using the South Dakota as the baseline, everyone was
appalled that just increasing speed to 30 knots required an increase to 63,500 tons (similar to the
abortive Montana’s 20 years later).
A126 A143 A143
Congress* D IV-2** D 2 D 4**
Displacement 60,000 tons 80,000 tons 70,000 80,000
Length 975’ 975’ 975’ 975’
Width 108’ 108’ 108’ 108’
Draft 33’ 33’ 38’
Speed 32 knots 25 knots 26.5 kts 25.2 kts
Armament 10-18” (5x2) 15-18”/50 (5x3) 24-16” 24-16”
16-6” 21-6”/50 (21x1) 21-5”/51 21-5”/51
4-3”/50 AA 4-3” AA 4-3” AA
4-21” TT 4-21” TT 4 -21” TT 4-21” TT
Armor belt: 10” 16” 13” 18”
Deck: main/upper 5”/2.5” 3” 5”
Turret face/side/roof: 21”/ 12”/ 8” 18”/10”/9” 20”/14”/ 6”
*Increasing the size to 65,000 tons reduced the speed by 2 knots (30 knots now) but increased the
belt to 18” thick. The contemporary Hood and Nagato were in serious trouble.
** If the draft is increased to 38 feet, the hull can be made finer with a speed of 28 knots.
Four sextuplet 16” turrets were considered which provided overwhelming firepower. However,
no practical drawings were completed showing how the superimposed guns should be arranged.
This impractical arrangement was replaced with five triple 18” turrets arranged as in the Texas.
The largest of the theoretical designs was the IV-II submitted January 30, 1917. Writing in “Sea
Power” in 1917 Commander William Moffett (killed in the Akron crash in 1933) wrote, “Is it not
fair to assume, nay, is it not certain, that if battleship displacement has increased from 10,000
tons in 1896 to 32,000 tons in 1916, that it will continue to do so until the limit has been
reached?” Why not go to the limit at once? By doing so, we scrap every battleship in the world.
Other navies would have to follow our example and build ships like ours or give up the
competition. We could stand the cost better than any other nation. It is therefore an advantage
to us to make navies cost as much as possible. We have more money than any other nation, and
we will have more, comparatively, at the close of the war, when most of them will be bankrupt. In
this way we will scrap England’s navy, as well as all others. In no other way can we hope to
overtake Great Britain.”
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These exceptional ships had very complete underwater protection due to turbo electric drive.
This eliminated the steam lines around the middle turret that had proved so troublesome in all US
battleships until the Nevada. The original plans called for 21-5” secondaries but many were
mounted in the hull. Hull casements had proven impractical and were being dismounted from
existing ships. It was noted that if harbors were dredged, the hull could be made deeper and finer
resulting in an increase in speed to 28 knots (D4). It was also estimated that they would cost $50
million compared to $30 million for a Tennessee. Size and firepower had a steep price although
the Iowa of 1940 cost $100 million.
The 24-16” (A143) version has sufficient deck space for the triple funnels with a Lexington style
upper deck. The sextuple turret looks enormous on the ship because it is 60 feet wide compared
to 40 feet for an Iowa turret. Increasing the width by 50% allows you to double the number of
guns in the turret. These would have created huge holes in the deck reducing the girder strength.
A126 replaces the triple funnels with Lexington style funnels and superstructure due to the
identical funnel and ventilator layout. There is insufficient upper deck space for a Lexington 01
level due to the fifth turret. Backing Q turret against X turret grouped the barbettes together and
leaves the engineering ventilators underneath Q turrets barrels. The after funnel MUST be at the
very end of the superstructure meaning the aft cage mast would have to be mounted between the
funnels. Sufficient space could be secured for only 12-6” with three being able to bear on any
quadrant. Eight 5”/25s complete the AA armament. If the Washington Treaty had not
intervened, these would have been very likely candidates to succeed the South Dakota and
Lexington. The construction of these ships was very feasible unlike the large German designs of
WWII and represents the most powerful, reasonable battleships ever designed. Imagine the
impact of having a squadron of these ships mounting 60-18” guns in your war games! One
further note, while the US Navy preferred firing broadsides, the impact on the hull and
superstructure of this many guns would have required salvo fire which may have reduced the rate
of fire for the entire ship.
All variants could have had deeper hulls and refined hull shapes that could have allowed up to 28
knots but would have required dredging in such places as the Brooklyn Navy Yard. In the early
1920’s the Naval War College (NWC) created a sophisticated method of evaluating the worth of
individual ships to wargame them. By their calculations, Colorado, Nagato and HOOD could
each sustain 18 penetrating 14” shells while the D-IV could withstand 36, twice the amount.
When gamed, a single Colorado is overwhelmed by either D1 or D2 and even two Colorado’s
are sunk by a single D2 or D4. The 24 16” guns allows her to smother her opponents and actually
take less damage than the more heavily protected D1. It is interesting to note that the US WWII
ships emphasized fire power and speed rather than the traditional protection although one could
hardly call them under protected. Perhaps they were the beneficiaries of wargames between
design concepts prior to WWII.
A148 is a modernized Tillman with a WWII style superstructure, twin 5”/38s and 40mm AA.
The continued challenge is that the after funnel must be on the extreme end of the superstructure
due to the trunking of the boilers from the boiler rooms underneath the gun barrels of ‘Q’ turret.
This model reflects some of the early North Carolina designs (E.g. IX) to ensure that two
elevated fire control stations are available in addition to the two funnels, in a manner reminiscent
of the original cage masts which is similar to the Delaware layout.
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A130, 131, and A144, BB1922, BB1923, BB1926
Concept sketch designs in March and August, 1919 postulated the characteristics of the
successors to South Dakota 1921. The March design showed that increasing the speed of South
Dakota by only 2 knots cost 5,000 tons and another 100’ in length. It featured the quadruple
funnel of the S DAKOTA.
BB1922 could carry 8-18” and 18-6” mounts (6 triple turrets) on a South Dakota sized hull.
Replacing 12-16” with 8-18” would not have been much of an improvement over the South
Dakota, particularly in pattern ‘fatness’ and would have been less than the British N3 (9-18”).
Increasing the main armament from 12-14” on the Tennessee to 12-16” on the South Dakota
cost 10,000 tons. Increasing to 12-18” (4x3) for BB1923 would have required at least 10,000
tons more than South Dakota on at least an 800-foot long hull. Machinery spaces and funnels
configured as the South Dakota s would drive them at 21 knots. To maintain the 23 knots of the
South Dakota would have required more efficient boilers such as were planned for the
battlecruisers. Additional boilers could not be installed because their space would have further
increased hull length and, proportionally, armor and weight.
It is more likely that a South Dakota successor would have contained either 10 or 12 – 18” guns
in either a Nevada or 4x3 configuration. Given the slow pace of US turret development for
secondary armament, it is also likely that single 6”/53s would have been retained for the
secondary armament. Deck armor would have to be increased to resist an 18” shell, probably to
the 5” as designed in the Tillman. These battleships would have displaced more than the N3 and
trade deck armor (8” in the N3) for an additional triple 18” turret. These studies of incremental
improvements in battleship design show just how farsighted Senator Tillman was in asking why
not build the biggest ship we could and be done with it.
BB1926 reflected the changes imposed by the Washington Treaty of 1922. Now limited to
35,000 tons, designers sought to squeeze in as many features as possible. Despite the 10 year
break in constructing new ships, all countries continued to design them (e.g. Japanese Hiraga and
FUJIMOTO). Preliminary design #165 in March 1916 placed 10-16” guns on a 33,200 ton hull
making 21 knots. BB1926 shortened the South Dakota hull by 35 feet, mimicked the 1916
design with two triple and two twin turrets, replaced the heavy turbo electric drive with lighter
geared turbines, increased speed by 2 knots and eliminated a torpedo bulkhead decreasing hull
width by two feet. Shockingly, the estimated cost was $38 million, giving you much less
battleship than the $50 million Tillman. Bigger is better and cheaper in the long run.
BB1922 BB1923 BB1926 3/4/19 Plan
Displacement 44,500 tons 52,000 tons 35,000 48,750
Length 684’ 800’ 625’ 774’
Width 108’ 108’ 106’ 106’
Draft 33’ 33’ 31’ 31’
Speed 23 knots 23 knots 23 knots 25 knots
Armament 8-18”/48 (4x2) 12-18”/48 (4x3) 10-16/50” 12-16/50
18-6”(6x3) 12-6”(12x1) 16-6” (16x1) 16-6
8-5” (8x1) 8-5” (8x1) 8-5” (8x1) 8-5
Armor belt: 13.5” 13.5” 11” 12”
Deck: 5” 5” 3.5” 3”/2”
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A313 US Projected Cruiser C-1
US cruisers during and after WWI were subjected to the same design vacillation as the
battleships. The major difference was that at least some of the battleships were built. Cruiser
design ran the gamut from the small scout through medium sized ships with a small number of
large guns to the Lexington 1916 which was designed to overwhelm the cruiser and destroyer
screen of an opposing fleet. Smaller ships such as cruisers and destroyers were not pressed
forward with the same vigor as the capital ships because it was felt they could be built quickly in
any wartime scenario. Only the battlefleet would truly be, ‘come as you are’.
The Omaha represented the first successful cruiser design in over a decade. Fast, maneuverable
and relatively powerful, it compared well with any other country’s cruisers. Cruisers more
powerful than the British Hawkins with sufficient range for Pacific operations were required.
Range required size resulting in sufficient displacement for a wide range of armament and
protection. The 6” gun was well liked with the pedestal mounts yielding rapid fire. Its maximum
effective range was far less than an 8” gun. The 8” gun was not particularly well liked. It was
mounted in the first battleships as the largest available ‘rapid’ fire gun and the same twin mount
was installed in the early cruisers. While the new 8” gun had an effective range over the horizon,
it only fired at 3 rounds per minute. The 10” gun was preferred because it fired just as fast and
the shell was twice as heavy. It had been mounted in the last large US armored cruisers.
US designs had always emphasized protection against the armament carried. As can be seen from
some of the immune zones, this was not possible on these displacements, particularly against the
8” gun. It was proposed that these ships at least be protected against destroyer fire so they could
break up attacks while serving as a screen.
As shown in the table, the designs moved through many stages with 8-8” being a common
armament. The existence of these designs provided the technical weight the US needed to argue
for a 10,000-ton cruiser at the Washington treaty. Original designs asked for a silhouette similar
to the battlecruisers to create confusion. The model presented has a single triple turret forward
and two twins aft, reminiscent of the Tre Kroner many years later. This was chosen to give a
one-gun superiority over the Hawkins in bow, stern and broadside arcs. The US cruiser was
much faster than Hawkins with a greater radius. Actual development led to the Pensacola, which,
like the fast BBs of WWII, favored speed and firepower over protection. If you like to build a
fleet based on no Washington Treaty, you will need these cruisers to screen your carriers and
Lexingtons while the Omahas screen the battlefleet.
Oct, 1919 Jan, 1921 March, 1921 April, 1921 PENSACOLA
Displacement 10,000 tons 12,000 tons 11,250 tons 10,000 tons 9,111 tons
Length 620’ 635’ 625’ 600’ 585’
Width 57’ 57’ 57’ 57’ 65’
Draft 18’ 21’ 21’ 21’
Speed 36 knots 34.5 34.5 34 33
Armament 7-8”/ 6-8” 6-8” 8-8” 10-8”
4-5”/51 4-5”/25 4-5”/25 4-5”/25 4-5”/25
4-3” AA
6-21” TT 6-21” TT 6-21” TT 6-21” TT 6-21” TT
Armor belt 3” 5” 4” 1.5” 2.5”
deck: 3” 2.5” 1.0” 1”
Imm Zone 6” 11k-21k
Imm Zone 8” 16k-21k
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A134A US Maximum BB 1934A 8x20” (4x2)
A134B US Maximum BB 1934B 12x18” (4x3)
A134C US Maximum BB 1934C 16x16” (4x4)
The WNT expiration date was 1931 but was then extended for another 5 years. In 1934 planning
began for the construction of new battleships in 1936, the General Board requested a study for the
maximum sized battleship that could transit the Panama Canal. The designers started with the
basic Tillman hull keeping the turbo-electric drive. Q turret was suppressed and 12 boilers fitted
in its space in a Yamato configuration of 3 rows of 4 boilers. These powered the generators
forward of the boiler room. The generators in turn fed four motor rooms grouped around the after
turrets in the same configuration as other US TED battleships. This seemed to be a step
backwards in concentrating the boilers and taking risk against a single unlucky hit. The narrow
hull precluded a more robust anti-torpedo system such as was designed into the wider Montana.
The superstructure was based on that of the remodeled New Mexico with aircraft facilities
amidships and a single large funnel aft. The 5”/38 were configured in a cruiser arrangement with
midships mounts fore and aft to supply coverage over those arcs. Armor was increased over the
Tillman with a 6.5” armor deck, a 1.5” upper deck and a 1.5” splinter deck. Speed was 25 knots.
The designers noted that if the displacement was increased to 72,000 tons, the hull could be made
fuller, nearly triple the horsepower could be installed and the ship could make 30 knots. It is not
clear if the boiler arrangement would have been altered but there is sufficient centerline space
between the barbettes to arrange the boilers inside the torpedo bulkhead and provide two funnels.
It is clear that the Americans had a significant advantage in their machinery compared to the
Japanese and British who required more hull length and volume for comparable speeds with
comparable fire power.
The outstanding feature of the design was 8-20” guns (24” was originally requested!). If they
were equipped with the oversize shells as represented by the 2700lb 16” or the 3850lb 18”, these
shells would have weighed over 5,000 pounds! In contrast to this design, the Japanese finished
their estimates on a maximum battleship at the same time to ensure that the Yamato would be
individually superior. Their estimates are displayed here also. The Japanese estimates did not
take account for the length of the Panama Canal nor the benefits of a parallel hull. They basically
traded off 7 knots of speed from their #13 for an additional pair of 18” guns. This US design
represents a capability that was only considered as part of the German design studies nearly 10
years later. Please note that the same size turret could mount twin 20”(A), triple 18”(B) or
quadruple 16”(C). You can order your Maximum BB with any of these options.
TILLMAN US Max BB Max Fast BB Japanese Estimates
Displacement 80,000 tons 66,000 72,500 63,000
Length 975’ 975’ 975’ 900’
Width 108’ 107’ 107’ 108’
Draft 33’ 33’ 36’ 34’
Speed 25 knots 25 knots 30 knots 23 knots
Armament 15-18”/50 (5x3) 8-20” (4x2) 8-20”(4x2) 10-18”
21-6”/50 (21x1) 20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2)
4-3”/50 AA 16-1.1” 16-1.1”
4-21” TT
Armor belt: 16” 16” 16” 17”
Main/upper Deck: 5”/1.5” 6.5”/1.5” 6.5”/1.5” 8.8”
Face/roof Turrets: 21/8” 18”/7” 18”/7”
A209 CC1933
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A137 BB1934-2
A138 BB1937 XVI
A146 BB1937 IX-E
A149 BB VIA
CC1933 VIA BB1934-2 IX-E BB1937 XVI
Displacement 33,500 tons 35,000 tons 35,000 tons 35,000 tons 35,000
Length 775’ 725’ 728’ 728’ 728’
Width 92’ 108’ 102’ 106’ 108’
Draft 32’ 32’ 31’ 32’ 32’
Speed 31.5 knots 30 knots 27 knots 30 knots 27 kts
Armament 9-14" (3x3) 8-14" (4x2) 8-16”/45(4x2) 8-14”/50 (2x4) 12-14”/50 (3x4)
16-5” (8X2) 16-5” (4x2) 14-5”/38(7x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5” (10x2)
Armor belt: 12” 10” 12.75” 13.1” 11”
Deck/Splinter: 6”/5”(mag/eng) 5.5”/4”(M/E) 4.75/1” 5.5” 5.6”
Estimated cost $60 million $63 million $75million $70 million $75 million
These five designs marked important milestones in the development of the fast US battleship
culminating in the construction of the North Carolina. By June of 1933, Preliminary Design
delivered two battlecruiser designs (e.g. cruiser killers) to Admiral Pratt. The 12-12” design had
inferior armament, inferior armor but better torpedo protection. The 14” (CC1933) version’s
armor was mounted externally outside the machinery spaces and hung on the third torpedo
bulkhead over the magazines. This foreshadowed the SD/Iowa schema. She also suffered from a
‘wooded’ Q turret and an A turret with limited depression over the bow. This was the same
turret, machinery and aircraft arrangement as Scheme G of the proposed Brooklyn design. In a
stern chase, A turret would be firing at long range negating the limitations of the raised forecastle
while at short range, all 9 guns would be in action. Nevertheless, it could escort carriers, defeat
the pocket battleships and Japanese cruisers and were 5 knots faster than the Kongo.
In a displacement limited treaty environment and rapidly improving engineering plants, CC1933
was an excellent design, only potentially countered by the Hood. These models reflect a
continuing treaty environment limiting displacement. Any ‘Vanguard’ type rebuilds are only
viable in a treaty environment which freezes technology to that of 1920. Massive ships such as
Yamato and Montana eliminate much of the usefulness of rebuilds unless they have specified
functionality such as these cruiser killers.
Two models are “American Vanguards” where the four NV and PA ships are decommissioned to
contribute their triple 14” turrets to build four of these battlecruisers, a distinct improvement to
escort carriers or to intercept the Kongos. VIA allows you to build 3 more fast battleships with
four twin turrets from the Texas, New York and the leftover turrets from Oklahoma and Nevada.
Combined with building four of the A208 CA Scheme 3 Armored Cruisers with the turrets from
Wyoming and Arkansas, you will have replaced 7 old, less capable battleships with 11 fast, well-
armed, well armored ships that can defeat the Kongo’s. Ten years later Alaska filled the role
envisioned for these ships. This avoids the need to build the Alaskas saving $460m which should
nearly pay for the 11 new ships because of the savings on turrets and barbettes. It also means that
fast Iowas are not needed at $100m apiece.
By September 1934, US designers were able to use the new light-weight power plants, welding
and tightly constrained hulls to match the Hood. Scheme 1934-2 used a lengthened South
Dakota 1921, two WASP power plants and sufficient protection to provide an immune zone of
21,000 – 29,000 yds against a 16”/50 (a more powerful gun than any mounted by other navies).
These studies provided the US with detailed information to resist the British attempt to reduce
battleships to 25,000 tons. The Japanese announcement on March 1934 that she was abandoning
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the treaty also served notice that small capital ships were not viable. This was an excellent design
that served as the basis for continuing studies. This author finds this a compelling ship matching
Bismarck in speed and armor and having a superior armament with 16” shells weighing 500
pounds more than Bismarck’s 15” shell.
IX-E created a ‘Kongo killer’ within the 35,000-ton limit. Like XVI, she had quadruple 14”
turrets (A146A), both mounted forward. The after turret was suppressed for additional machinery
space to enable her to achieve 30 knots as well as heavier armor than NC. Both forward turrets
were flush mounted and not superfiring, similar to the original NC design. You have your choice
with this model, install the original quad 14” turrets or follow the life cycle of the NC with the
quadruple 14” turrets replaced with triple 16” (A146B). The stack is mounted abaft two widely
separated rangefinder towers to give unhindered fire control coverage. The stern area is
completely cleared for aircraft operations and she could carry 6 planes similar to the July, 1934
design (9-14” guns at 30 knots). Despite the loss of a turret, this ship is fast, well armored and
with the super-heavy 16” shell could take on any of the Japanese treaty battleships including the
Nagato’s. You can also convert this model to either the IX which had one quad turret forward
and one aft or X which had 9x14” in 3 three-gun turrets.
XVI was the final scheme in the North Carolina design. The key design factor for XVI and the
NC, was the quadruple 14” turrets that could be replaced by triple 16” guns. This allowed for the
escalation of the firepower of this ship without changing the rest of the design. This also allowed
the ships to be ordered with 14” guns before the national elections and then converted to 16” after
the elections. Once the 16” were placed on the ships, the armor was insufficient to protect her
against her own size guns. Underwater protection was also suspect due to weight limitations and
the lack of knowledge of the size of the Japanese torpedo warheads. This used the same single fat
funnel as the Max BB and had mixed single and twin secondaries. Nevertheless, these were
successful ships which could hold their own against all other opponents with the exception of the
Yamato.
By December 1938, the Rainbow plan called for the following numbers of ships to support three
different strategic scenarios. The US ended up fighting the third one:
BB CV CA CL
Two Ocean Offense 40 18 41 67
Pacific offensive/Atlantic defensive 32 12 29 55
Pacific defensive/Atlantic Offensive 27 12 26 43
Built and saw significant war service 27(1) 21(2) 24 48 (3)
US ships lost during the war 2 5 7 3
Japanese ships lost during the war 11 10 18 21
1) Includes the two Alaskas, these could be counted the equivalent as 4 CAs
2) 9 CVLs counted as equivalent to 3 Essex class
3) 10 OMAHA, 9 BROOKLYN, 8 CLAA, 21 Cleveland
In summary, more carriers and fewer battleships and cruisers were needed. Since the Japanese
lost virtually their entire fleet, the largest of the US plans had roughly a 2.5/1 margin.
The following table estimates the composition of the US battleline had the battlecruisers been
built and/or WWII delayed. They have reduced building times because of the use of existing
turrets and barbettes and the fact that the tower assembly plans built for the New Mexico were
available. We assume that we will start by laying down the CCs in 1934 so they are completed
after 1/1/1937 thus keeping within the Washington Treaty. Totals available reflect
decommissioning and commissioning ships (including rearming Wyoming) and planned Japanese
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ships; historical reflects Pearl Harbor losses. The 27 BBs by 1946 matches the minimum number
needed in a two-ocean war. American planners would have been worried between 1936-1939
where the margin would have been reduced but the Japanese were rebuilding also, thus
maintaining the US margin. The Japanese battlecruisers and Alaskas are not included.
Decommissioned ships are in red and rebuilds in green. We have speculated on the Montana
follow up design with our choice of the 65-8B. This plan exactly matches the number of
battleships needed was 27 for an Atlantic Offensive/Pacific Defensive war plan.
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15/10 15/10 1935 AZ CC8 15
15/9 14/9 1936 OK CC9 14
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CC10 13 1
15/9 14/9 1938 NV SD
MA
12 2
15/9 15/9 1939 AL
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15/10 16/10 1940 IA
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15/10 17/10 1941 CO
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13/12 18/12 1942 MD
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8 8 8
27/17 1946 8 11 8
29/17 1947 8 11 10
31/17 1948 8 11 12
. Decommissioned ships are in red and rebuilds in green.
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A132 BB65A
The initial 1938 designs for a heavier, slower battleship to follow the Iowas substituted a South
Dakota power plant (130,000 shp) in an Iowa hull which allowed enough space for an additional
16” turret. The first two schemes kept the displacement the same as Iowa with the same
inadequate immune zone against the 2700 lb shell. This was fixed in Scheme 3 by increasing the
beam 6 feet and fitting heavier armor. This quickly grew to the Montana design because once the
beam exceeded that of the Panama Canal, there was no reason not to make it completely adequate
for torpedo protection.
These were important evolutionary designs for the Montana. They also represent an opportunity
for wargamers who build campaigns through the ‘purchase’ of ships based on tonnage. The 1939
schemes are fast, well-armed and adequately protected against any gun except the 18”/45 of the
Yamato. You can build almost three of them for two Yamato s (64,000 tons); 36 guns against 18,
72 rounds per minute against 27. These are winners in the light heavy-weight division.
BB65A (7/39) BB65A (9/39) BB65-Scheme 3 (1/40)
Displacement 45,435 tons 46,668 tons 52,500
Length 888’ 888’ 888’
Width 108’ 108’ 114’
Draft 36’ 36’ 36’
Speed 27 knots 27 knots 27 knots
Armament 12-16”/50 (4x3) 12-16”/50 (4x3) 12-16”/50 (4x3)
20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2)
Armor belt: 12.1” 12.1” 14.2
Deck: 5” 5” 5.5”
Immune Zone 24k – 28k 24k – 28k 18k-30k yds
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A149 BB65A The American ‘D’
The debate surrounding the preliminary Iowa designs must have included some knowledge of the
recently completed Gibbs&Cox battleship design for the Russians. Gibbs served on the General
Board giving him access to preliminary designs and operational requirements. BB65C-6 (p.331
Garzke) had similar gun and armor characteristics but was narrower to pass through the Panama
Canal. Her shorter, narrower hull could not contain the same size power plant as the ‘D’ and she
was slower. She did have better armor than the Russian BB. BB65-Scheme 3 (p.334 Garzke)
was similar in protection and beam but slower and with a fourth turret. The wider hull can mount
the armor on the outside rather than the internal armor of the Iowa.
Captain Chantry, chief of Preliminary Design and architect of the South Dakota, was trying to
achieve increased firepower over that offered by the Iowa. The General Board was not
particularly happy that the extra 10,000 tons over the South Dakota only bought 6 knots of speed
and longer barrels with increased range. By keeping the number of turrets to three and reducing
hull length, Chantry was able to provide 10 or 11 guns on a 45,000-ton ship (weight preferred by
Admiral King) but all required at least one quadruple turret. The quadruple turret was not well
liked due to its’ weight and size. The General Board preferred four turrets which immediately
began escalating into the Montana design. Once you exceeded the Panama Canal limitations, you
might as well build a ship 120’ wide compared to 114’ and gain the extra torpedo protection.
This model is a is a formidable opponent for a Bismarck, Littorio and even the Yamato. You can
build it with either 3-3-4 or 4-3-4 (BB65C-4) turret configurations. It is entirely reasonable that if
you find 31 knots acceptable, better placed armor, but too wide a ship to fit through the Panama
Canal, you can build a well-balanced ship with increased firepower on 45,000 tons. Is the gain of
one or two 16” guns worth the loss of 2 knots?
Gibbs&Cox Project D BB65C-6 (7/39) BB65-Scheme 3 (1/40)
Displacement 45,000 tons 44,840 tons 52,500
Length 840’ oa 800’ wl 800’ wl
Width 114’ 108’ 114’
Draft 33’ 36’ 36’
Speed 31 knots 27 knots 27 knots
Armament 10-16”/50 (2x3,1x4) 10-16”/50 (2x3,1x4) 12-16”/50 (4x3)
20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2)
Armor belt: 13” 14.3” 14.2
Deck: 5” 5.5” 5.5”
Immune Zone 20k – 30k 18k-30k yds
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A133 BB65(I)
Alright, you insist that you MUST have 18” guns on an Iowa hull. You don’t care that the 16”/50
is ballistically equal to the Japanese 18”/45. You want the 18”/48, 3850 lb shell and bragging
rights to be the baddest thing around. Question, why didn’t the Montana mount this weapon?
Designed at the same time as BB65A, this Iowa variant is a compelling ship. Thicker armor,
heavier main guns and the South Dakota power plant allow you to confidently sail against all
enemies. Your only drawback is the slower speed expected by trading heavier guns and armor
for engineering space and weight. Go get the Yamato! You can still build three of these for only
two Yamato’s.
But wait, there is more! BB65C had the same hull layout but 3 quadruple 16” turrets. The
advantage over BB65A was that she had a shorter armored citadel and less weight at the bow
making her more weatherly. This gives us 5 different Superior versions of the Iowa hull. If you
were responsible for the building program and could only build one variant, which would you
choose?
BB65(I) BB65A CA2D BB65C IOWA
Displacement 45,495 tons 45,435 tons 38,700 tons 43,800 t 45,000 t
Length 888’ 888’ 888’ 888’ 888’
Width 108’ 108’ 104’ 108’ 108’
Draft 35’ 36’ 36’ 38’
Speed 27.5 knots 27 kts 33 kts 27 kts 33 kts
Armament 9-18”/48 (3x3) 12-16”/50 (4x3) 12-12”/50 (4x3) 12-16”/40 (3x4) 9-16”/50
20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2) 16-5”/38 (8x2) 20-5”/38 (10x2) 20-5”/38
Armor belt: 14.75” 12.1” 13” 14.75” 12.1”
Deck/upper:5.1”/1.5” 5.1” 5.1”/1.5” same
Immune Zone 16”/45 12k – 30k yds
16”/50 16k – 32k yds
18”/45 20k – 29k yds
A107 MONTANA 1944
The 1940 Vinson-Trammel Act authorized five 59,000-ton battleships. This must have terrified
the Japanese who were secretly building four 64,000-ton Yamato’s which they expected to be the
biggest and most powerful in the world. In a single bill, the US negated the Japanese advantage.
The Japanese already knew that the US had laid down ten treaty battleships giving the US 15 new
battleships, overwhelming Japan’s limited building capacity.
Arguably the most powerful battleships that had a reasonable chance to be built, these ships were
the culmination of US design. Even ships of this size were subject to limitations in speed,
gunnery or protection. Reverting to the slower speed of the earlier South Dakota and North
Carolina, Montana emphasized firepower and protection. Beam was increased with the
understanding that new 140-foot wide locks for the Panama Canal would be built allowing her to
transit from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Dozens of potential designs were considered before five
ships were authorized in 1940. Two were to be laid down in January 1941 but were suspended
due to a lack of steel.
The twelve 16”/50s allowed her to fire twice as many shells as the Yamato over any given time
period. They had equal ballistics to the Japanese 18”/45 so they gave nothing away in terms of
armor penetration. It was highly desired to carry a secondary armament of 12-6”/47 automatic
guns as mounted in the Worcester but this gun was not well enough developed. The battle of
Crete illustrated the danger of high-level bombing and a six-inch shell provided a better long
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range solution to AA fire. The automatic 6”/47 was not well enough developed by 1941 so 20 -
5”/54 guns were substituted with 6 twin turrets mounted on the main deck to reduce top weight.
Numerous 40mm and 20mm guns would have completed her armament.
Armor protection was extremely complete. The wide beam allowed a 16” external belt sloped at
19º that did not reduce the water plane area below acceptable limits. An 8” internal belt on top of
the torpedo bulkhead provided additional protection against underwater hits. A 2” upper deck
would fuse any penetrating bombs or shells and the 6.2” main deck would prevent their
penetration. Explosions would have been contained outside the armor citadel. The immune zone
for these ships was 18,000 to 32,000 yards. The total weight of all protection including STS
splinter protection was a staggering 31,650 tons, more than half the displacement.
The broad beam allowed for additional anti-torpedo depth and departed from the other US fast
battleships that had large compartments spread across the entire breadth of the hull. The
machinery was now arranged in four boiler rooms against the outside bulkheads separated by
turbo generator compartments. Two engine rooms in the middle of the ship, similarly arranged as
in the older US turbo-electric battleships, drove the forward screws. Abaft the boiler rooms were
the two engine rooms driving the rear screws. Protected between the aft boiler and engine rooms
was one of the distillation plants plus other auxiliary machinery. Five torpedo bulkheads
separated the machinery from the hull.
Stern Bow
Port Aft
Engine
Boiler Boiler Dynamo
Turbogenerator
Boiler Boiler
Electrical
Space
Condenser
Dynamos
Distiller Port Inner
Engine
Distiller Starb Inner
Engine
Starboard
Aft Engine
Boiler Boiler Dynamo
Turbogenerator
Boiler Boiler
Despite her increased dimensions over the Iowa, there was insufficient space to install more
powerful machinery that would propel her beyond 28 knots. It would have been a challenge to
rearrange machinery to provide space for the large magazines had the automatic 6”/47 been
available.
War experience led to some redesign in 1942. A 3” upper deck would prevent 500-lb bombs
from penetrating while a reduction in the belt could provide enough additional deck armor to
prevent larger shells and bombs from penetrating. It seems odd that the Illinois and Kentucky
were laid down so late in the war when a superior design was available. Instead, the hull and
machinery layout was used to build the Midway class carriers that were a better long-term
investment.
Displacement 60,500 tons standard, 71,000 full load
Length 921’
Width 121’ (over the bulges)
Draft 36’
Speed 28 knots
Armament 12-16”/50(4x3)
20-5”/54 (10x2)
Armor belt: 16” + 8”
Deck: 6.2” + 2”
Turrets: 18” on 4.5” STS
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A125 BB65D
This version of the large battleships that became the Montana conserved space and weight by
mounting the 16” rifles in quadruple turrets. Originally desired on an Iowa hull, it lacked the
volume necessary to support the firepower and protection desired. An Iowa hull did not provide
enough displacement to provide protection against her own battery. Moving to the larger
Montana resolved this problem. This also provided the space and weight necessary to mount the
6”/47 desired as a long-range AA battery.
Displacement 60,500 tons standard, 71,000 full load
Length 921’
Width 121’ (over the bulges)
Draft 36’
Speed 28 knots
Armament 12-16”/50(3x4)
12-6”/47 (6x2)
Armor belt: 16” + 8”
Deck: 6.2” + 2”
Turrets: 18” on 4.5” STS
A127 GEORGIA (MT II)
Only the three New Mexico’s and ‘Big Five’ were suitable for rebuilding to keep in the fleet. As
such, perhaps configured to a Maryland standard, they would have been invaluable for supporting
island hopping or convoy defense. This would mean at a minimum 19 new battleships would
need to be built. Either additional Montanas would need to be built or a successor designed.
Conjecture is that Montana successors would have mounted 18” guns. The 18”/48 was last
considered in April 1938 for the preliminary design of the Iowa (see A133 BB65(I)). American
designers were reluctant to build ships much larger than the Montana due to the cost and
consumption of resources needed for other ships. One way to mount 18” guns would be to
replace the triple 16” with twin 18”. Up-gunning to twin 18” would have been resembled the
Tennessee/Colorado situation in 1920. The 3850 lb shell and superior US shell design would
have made these battleships irresistible. It would have also meant a 33% reduction in number of
shells in a pattern compared to the 12-16”/50s.
It was felt that much longer-range AA fire was needed to counteract high level bombing. The
automatic twin 6”/47 being designed for Montana may have been finished for the follow-on class.
Volume of fire from the twin 6” was equivalent to the triple 6” using semi-cased ammunition.
The advantage was that it was suitable for long-range heavy AA fire. The twin 6”/47 are
considerably heavier than the 5”/54 which would have contributed to a displacement problem.
Replacing 3-16” barrels with 2-18” barrels would have saved marginal turret weight which would
not have compensated for the secondary armament. One incomplete study in March 1940 would
have been twin over triple turrets (Nevada style) giving her 10-18”, which would have been
considerably superior to the Yamato. Once again, for this to be effective, the hull would have to
be longer and/or wider.
An issue for all the do-it-yourself designers is that none of the above combinations would have
allowed enough remaining weight to upgrade the armor to resist the 18” shell. This would be
particularly true of the deck armor. Additional displacement for the armor would once again
require the ship to be longer or wider. Nevertheless, this version is packed with 4-twin guns and
12-6”/47 DP mounted on the main deck. As an alternative, you can combine the triple 16” from
Montana with the 6”/47 DP which resembled design 65B of September 1939.
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A128 V IRGINIA (MT III)
If Virginia had been British, she would be named ‘Irresistible’
Preliminary Iowa (65I) designs included a 27 knot ship with 9-18” guns and sufficient armor for
an immune zone of 20k – 29k yards against the 18” shell. The requirement for high speed
eliminated the 18” gun as a potential weapon in the Iowa. As the Montana design matured,
BuOrd stuck with the 16”/50 because of the number that could be carried and the penetrating
power of the 16”/50 shell. However, BB65D with three quadruple 16” turrets were completely
interchangeable with triple 18” turrets. This model moves the entire superstructure aft to work in
three triple 18” turrets arranged as in Iowa. This would make it easier to free up centerline space
for auxiliary machinery thus creating space for the 6” magazines. It is far more likely that this
version could be built within the original Montana dimensions than the twin 18”.
The triple 16” turret weighed 1622 tons while a quad 16” weighed in at 2,064 tons. A triple 18”
turret would have been close to the quad 16” in weight. In addition to saving 400 tons in direct
turret weight, barbette and supporting structures would have been reduced. This would have
saved weight making it possible to use the same dimensions as the Montana while improving the
secondary guns and armor.
This ship makes an interesting contrast to the super-Yamato. Like the Montana vs. Yamato,
Virginia retains a considerable edge in number of shells in the broadside while giving away
nothing in armor penetration. Instead of increasing the upper deck by 1” as in the Montana 1942,
the main deck could be increased to 7.2 inches in an effort to protect against the 20” shell. In
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addition, the reduction of the secondary belt could also be used to further strengthen vertical
protection.
The exciting news for the do-it-yourself designers is that with these proposed models, you can
mix and match hulls and parts to create a variety of Montana successors. Another variation is the
quadruple 16” which would resemble Design 65D of September 1939 (available as A125). When
considering all the issue surrounding compromise in armament, speed and armor, the original
Montana design stands up well to all these versions and foreign battleships. While impossible to
accurately predict what battleship successors may be have been built, all these configurations
were sketch designs considered by the General Board.
A141A/A1441B BB65-8
BB65-8 BB65-8B
Displacement 67,000 ~77,000
Length 1050’ 1050’
Width 120’ 122’
Draft 35’ 36’
Speed 33 knots 32 knots
Armament 12-16”/50 (4x3) 12-18”/48 (4x3)
20-5”/54 (10x2) 12-6”/47 DP (6x2)
Armor Belt: 15.75” @ 19 degrees 16” @ 19 degrees
Deck: Main 6.2”, upper 1.5” Main 6.2”, upper 1.5”
BB65-8 was designed in January 1940 along with the other Montana variants which resulted in
the smaller Montana design. This incredibly large ship was designed with the new canal locks in
mind. Their extraordinary length was required because of the size of the machinery
compartments needed to generate 366,000 shp to achieve 33 knots. This would be essentially
TWO (!) Montana power plants driving 4 shafts requiring much more hull volume than was
available. Instead, this would have been a turbo-electric drive installation that would have had
the further advantage of extensive subdivision similar to the earlier TED battleships and
battlecruisers. This was considered much too expensive and the smaller MT was finally approved
although never laid down.
Conjecture and extrapolation lead to BB65-B. If there was to be a successor to Montana, what
would they have looked like? Once foreign capabilities such as Yamato or “H” are discovered,
would an expensive battleship like Montana be approved without an apparent increase in
firepower? The next class would need to be far superior in capability. A minimum 30 knots was
needed and there were many objections that all of the designs only gained one 3x16” turret and
some extra deck armor over the Iowa. BB65-8 is the starting point for a proposed successor;
BB65-8B is the obvious next step in the design of these ships. Ten 65-ton 5”/54 turrets are traded
for six 240 ton automatic 6”/47 turrets, consistent with alternate Montana designs by the navy.
The main battery is upgraded to 18”, two feet more beam, another foot of draft, and reduced main
battery shell count yields an incredibly powerful and fast battleship. Two of these would
certainly be enough to contain an H44, if they can find a place to dock for provisioning.
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A150 A151 A152
Kentucky BBAA Iowa (CIP) Illinois (BBG)
Displacement 45,000 tons 45,000 tons 45,000
Length 888’ 888’ 888’
Width 108’ 108’ 108’
Draft 36’ 36’ 36’
Speed 33 knots 33 kts 33 kts
Armament 12-8”/55 (3x4) 9-16”/50 (3x3) 6-16”/50 (2x3)
10-5”/54 (10x1) 20-5”/38 (10x2) 12-5”/38 (6x2)
Armor belt: 12.1” 12.1” 12.1”
Deck/upper: 5.1”/1.5” 5.1”/1.5” 5.1”/1.5”
These models represent further modification of the Iowa class battleships. Iowa (CIP)
reflects the King/Nimitz board CIP (Class Improvement Plan) recommendations to
modify the ships to have continuous AA coverage over the bow and stern with 5” fire,
similar to US cruisers. This would have required moving the superstructures, ‘trunking’
the funnel, and moving the 5” guns. This model also reflects the replacement of the
40mm AA with twin 3”/50 (Project SCB-74E) such as those on the Des Moines and
Worcester class cruisers.
Kentucky was finished with respect to machinery, barbettes and armor. As such,
converting her to something else would have required an extensive rebuild. However,
she is the perfect candidate for the SAM-N-8 Zeus, also known as Zeus I, a project by the
Naval Ordnance Laboratory to develop a guided anti-aircraft artillery shell fired from
8”/55 smoothbore rifles. This would have negated the possibility of shore bombardment
with conventional rounds.
Zeus was a 4-inch, 72-pound shell fitted with stabilizing fins, a course-correction rocket
and fired as a sabot from the 8-inch gun. It was estimated that it had twelve times the
probability of destroying a target at 5,000 yards as a 5” shell and what the 5” shell could
destroy at 5,000 yards, the Zeus could destroy at 15,000 yards. This was a weapon built
with the Kamikazes in mind.
Test firings began in 1948 but it was overtaken by advances in guided missile technology
and cancelled in 1950. Project SCB19 replaces Kentucky’s 3x16” guns with 4x8”
automated turrets using the technology of the Des Moines. In addition, she carries the
single 5”/54 used in the Mitscher class DLs, planned in the late 1940’s.
Illinois represents a missile armed battleship which was planned on-and-off again from
1955 to 1958. Similar to cruiser conversions of her era, her larger size allows for more
rounds to be carried and more spacious handling rooms to prepare the missiles for launch.
Two Talos launchers aft (320 missiles) and four Tartar missile launchers amidships (168
missiles) are configured with a reduction in 5”/38. In 1956 the BBG was to be armed
with Regulus II missiles and by 1958 these were replaced by Polaris. The unfinished hull
of the Illinois lingered until 1958 and could have been more easily modified for missiles
than the Kentucky.
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A145 IOWA with a TILMAN layout
Iowa/Tillman Tillman 1938A (3/38) BB65-5
Displacement 59,000 tons 80,000 tons 59,060 57,500
Length 975’ 975’ 988’ 958’
Width 108’ 108’ 108’ 118”
Draft 36’ 33’ 38’ 35’
Speed 28 knots 25 knots 32.5 knots 28 knots
Armament 15-16”/50 (4x3) 15-18”/50 (5x3) 12-16”/50 (4x3) 12-16 »/50 (4x3)
16-5”/38 (8x2) 21-6"/50 12-6"/47 (6x2) 20-5"/54 (10x2)
Armor belt: 12.1” 16” 12.6” 15.75”
Deck: 6.2” 5” 5.0” 6.2”
Turrets: 19” 21” 18”
Immune Zone 24k – 32k 24k – 28k 18k-30k yds 18k-32k
At Nauticus in Norfolk, you can attend an interactive session where you decide if you will build
another Iowa or a more desired Montana. Due to the requirement to utilize the Panama Canal,
you must artificially choose the Iowa. But, could you build something more powerful than Iowa
and still transit the canal? An updated version of the Tillman? If BB65A (model A132, an early
Iowa) required 10,000 tons to add a fourth turret to an expanded South Dakota, could another
10,000 tons add a FIFTH turret? Unfortunately, proposed sketches do not adequately consider
the limitations of building such a ship. Despite the original Tillman and your ship being of the
same rough dimensions, there are significant differences with weight, hull volume and buoyancy.
There are at least two proposed sketches that will serve as the starting point for our design, 1938A
(Friedman, p. 310), nearly the exact hull size we need and BB65-5 (Friedman, p. 336).
• Iowa’s hull form is significantly different than Tillman. It is finer at each end to maximize
speed. Tillman has a blunter form to support her turrets and heavier armor and 8 knots less
speed as a consequence.
• Tillman’s turrets are closer to the end of the ship due to her blunt form and have adequate
buoyancy to support them.
• Iowa’s forward turret cannot be moved any further forward due to the narrowing of the bow.
• Iowa’s stern turret cannot be moved further astern because of the sloping of the hull between
the turret and the stern.
• To maintain the capability of traversing the Panama Canal, only 100 feet of hull can be added
between these existing turrets and no wider than 108’
We are attempting to add 3-16” guns in a 1700-ton turret to the same sized hull as 1938A.
Adding a turret consumes deck space requiring the ship to have a South Dakota superstructure.
The distance between Iowa’s Iowa/Tillman’s #2 and #3 turrets is identical meaning there is
sufficient space for the Iowa power plant. However, there is probably not sufficient weight.
Either Alaska/Essex 150,000 shp power plant or the 172,000 shp power plant could be utilized
which would enable this ship to maintain 28 knots. Reducing the 2.5” splinter deck to 5/8” (as in
the other US battleships) provides 1.2” to increase the deck armor from 5” to 6.2” increasing the
immune zone from 24k-28k to 24k-32k. The other 5/8” is used to compensate for ammunition.
Compared to the larger Montana, this ship is 54 feet longer, 13 feet narrower, has roughly the
same speed and gains an extra turret at the expense of armor. It is unlikely to weigh much less
than the Montana.
This is the WWII version of the Agincourt; long, majestic, overwhelming fire power and less
armor than her contemporaries. This ship would drop thirty (!) shells/minute on a target. It is not
unreasonable to expect 10% hits which could mean 20 hits in 7 minutes. Experience with
Lutzow, Seydlitz, Derfflinger, Kirishima, Bismarck and Scharnhorst was that 20 hits maximum
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renders the ship ‘hors de combat’ even if not sunk. For the wargamer, do you want the armor of
the Montana or the firepower of the Iowa, Tillman style?
A142 IOWA with Flight Deck
Displacement 45,000 tons
Length 888’
Width 108’
Draft 36’
Speed 33 knots
Armament 6-16”/50 (2x3)
4-5”/38 (2x2)
2 Mk41 61 cell VLS totaling 122 missiles
4 CIWS
Armor belt: 12.1”
Deck: 5”
No other capital ships have survived as long or have had as many ideas on how to be used as the
Iowas. Their size, speed and survivability have generated variations to be used as troop
transports, missile carriers and hybrids with a flight deck. Six different Phase II plans were
created with one having a flight deck and 12 AV-8B Harriers. Challenges to configuring an Iowa
in this fashion have been:
• Blast pressure from the 16” guns interferes with missile launchers and life rafts
• The proposed missile farms don’t take into account the location of X barbette nor the
compartments below the farm. In many cases this placed the farm in the middle of the
proposed hangar!
• A Mk 41 61-cell VLS measures 29’ x 27’ x 25’ deep. It weighs 230 tons with missiles and
requires pumping facilities of over 1000 gallons/minute for fire suppression. The existing
ABL with four missiles weighs 33 tons trading off sufficient topweight of 8 ABLs for one
VLS.
• Replacing the twin 5”/38 with 5”/54, 6”/55 or Mk48 8”/55 is difficult without substantial
changes and costs to the barbettes or magazines
• Limited missile guidance capability considerably reduces AA effectiveness
• Trunking of the funnels would be expensive while offsetting the after funnel would clear the
flight deck
Our model attempts to take all of these ideas into account by
1. Providing Aegis for the weapons system, including Mk51 Guidance
2. Providing a missile farm that doesn’t interfere with the flight deck or X Barbette. Mimicking
the Peripheral Vertical Launch System, their location eliminates the use of hull space,
increasing the safety of the ship from the loss of the missile battery and the loss of the ship in
the case of a magazine explosion. Located above the main deck amidships, and armored to
direct the force of the explosion outward, vital ship systems are protected.
3. Reducing bow trim and displacement by the removal of the armored control tower. This
helps offset the removal of X turret
4. Removing four 5”/38 mounts saving a total of 240 tons, the weight of the second VLS
5. Providing a longer flight deck by eliminating the after control positions
6. Providing Landing Craft for a company of Marines
7. Assumed to be equipped with AV8-B Harriers, SH60 and V-22 Osprey. With the 85’ wing
spread of the Osprey, insufficient flight deck width would exist for a rolling take off,
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reducing her lift capacity by 7,500 lbs. However, if you want to offset the after stack to
starboard, you will create the necessary flight deck width.
8. While not visible on a model but relatively cheap, add to the 60lb STS main deck sufficient
thickness of STS to make up the difference between the loss of X turret and the addition of
the flight deck. This would provide protection to the ship below the hangar in case of any
hangar explosions.
Incorporating extensive flight operations in an Iowa is possible but it does reduce the protected
nature of the obsolescent battleship by introducing flammable aviation fuel and an unprotected
flight deck and hangar area. On the other hand, you achieve what the Russians were not able to
do with their large flight-deck cruisers and heavily armed carriers; create a single ship that can be
independent, self-sufficient and irresistible. And no matter what, this is cheaper than any of the
Navy’s current CG(X) which are expensive, vulnerable, under-armed and ugly.
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A205 CA2D
A206 1940 Sketch #2, ‘Super Baltimore’
A207 CAC
A411 CL Scheme 1, ‘Super Cleveland’
The collapse of the Washington treaty allowed US designers free reign to design adequate sized
cruisers to meet the fleets’ needs. This led to the ‘unlimited’ designs of the Alaska, Worcester,
and Des Moines. There existed the very definite need for a super cruiser to provide an effective
counter to the treaty cruisers, particularly as carrier escorts. This required a larger ship with
overwhelming firepower, high speed and effective armor. Dozens of designs were studied and all
of them had ‘Spring Style’ design sketches presented to the General Board. All of the Superior
ships are built to the design sketches.
Also at this time the US developed their new 12”/50 with a heavy 1140 lb shell. This was an
excellent weapon with superior ballistics and penetration than the German 11”/55, the British
15”/42 and 14”/45, and the Japanese 14” and 16” guns. (Imagine the Vanguard with 12-12”?!)
At the high end of the spectrum was CA2D of January 1940. This heavy battlecruiser was built
on an Iowa hull and power plant with an external armor belt. Fast and well-armed, it would have
overwhelmed any cruiser and most battleships. Unfortunately, it cost nearly the same as an Iowa
(@$100 million) and required the same building resources. It simply could not be afforded. As
originally designed it contained the lower fire controls associated with cruiser design and not the
tower fore mast of the Alaska. The Superior model is built with the tower fore mast which
provided long range fire control consistent with the long range 12” gun. CA2D was originally
thought to cost $80 million but the smaller Alaska cost $74 million, 15% more than originally
projected, thus making the projected CA2D cost about $90 million.
The fall of France finally created a sense of urgency with the Navy and Congress. Remember
that the minimum cruisers needed were 26 CAs and 43 CLs. This meant that at least 8 CAs and
26 CLs needed to be built and this assumes the ten Omahas from 1920 were still effective. Hull,
machinery and turret weights and volumes were all well known, leading to many similar designs
in a ‘mix and match’ process. The May 1940 program prior to the fall of France funded four
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Clevelands (laid down in 1940) with another twelve laid down in 1941 (5 were completed as
carriers). The first 4 Baltimores were ordered in July 1940 but not laid down until between May
1941 and October 1941. Much of the fleet that defeated the Japanese was laid down BEFORE
Pearl Harbor.
Prior to the Clevelands and Baltimores being laid down, the General Board wanted their
successors to be faster, better protected ships; they did not want to perpetuate barely adequate
designs based on the treaty cruisers. The Clevelands were still built to the prewar 10,000-ton
limit and lacked weight capacity for additional AA guns, machinery or radar. The 30% increase
in the 13,000-ton Baltimores was the minimum needed. CL Scheme 1 (Springstyle S-511-19)
and CL Scheme 2 of July 1940 placed a Cleveland armament on a Baltimore hull and returned
torpedoes to a cruiser armament. Light cruiser Scheme 1 had the aircraft arrangements aft while
Scheme 2 had the aircraft arrangements amidships and hull cut down aft like CA-B and CA-C.
Deck and hull armor was thicker than the Cleveland and the design in general was more robust.
She could fire 8 rounds/min/barrel of the new 141lb shell.
Better heavy cruiser designs preceded and paralleled CL Scheme 1 and 2. The February 1940 CA
Scheme #2 (S-511-14, Spring Style (flush deck and aircraft aft) and Type M (10-10” and favored
by the General Board) were replaced in July 1940 with a new CA-A, B, and C, all having the
same protection scheme and 8 torpedo tubes. The 1940 CA Scheme #2 was financially attractive,
increasing the Baltimore main battery by 1/3 while only being 2,000 tons heavier. This was a
well-balanced ship that had reached the hull limits of utilizing the 120,000shp power plant to
maintain 33 knots. As you can see on the model, this is a very crowded ship.
The July 1940 CA-A was similar in size to the April version but had only 9-8” guns compared to
the earlier ship’s 12-8” but better protection as can be seen in the table comparing A206 and
A207. CA-B’s hull had midship’s aircraft arrangements and a cut-down hull aft. Designed on an
Alaska sized hull was the CAC with 12-8” guns. This was a powerful ship with a good immune
zone against cruisers, but the armament was not overwhelming. Like CA-B the hull was stepped
abaft the third turret and aircraft arrangements were amidships. This was a downsized design of a
March 1938 24,100-ton cruiser which had 13’ more beam, torpedo bulkheads, aircraft aft and 35
knot speed.
Despite the desire by the General Board to build bigger and better ships, the 70% expansion
funded by the Two Ocean Navy program after France fell called for four more Baltimore’s and 19
Cleveland’s. The 690 ship FY43-44 programs approved in August 1942 provided 17 more CAs
and 16 CLs. Quantity was now more important than quality. In total, 27 Cleveland/Fargos (and
9 CVLs) and 16 Baltimore/Oregon City were completed, many of them remaining in service for
30 years.
The outcome of all these studies was that a very large ship (CA2D) was unaffordable. A 20,000 –
24,000-ton ship with 12-8” or 6-12” would not be as good as adding 3,000 tons and giving her 9-
12” (Alaska), particularly in weight of fire. For cruisers, by building automatic 8” guns, you
could fire 2.5 times as many 8” shells with Des Moines compared to the 20,000-ton CA-C. By
comparison, an Iowa could fire 48,600 lb/minute and Baltimore 9,045 lb/minute.
Despite their expense, these studies led to the conclusion that the Alaska and Des Moines
represented the best value for the tonnage and money. If the war in Europe had not been raging,
perhaps the expensive Alaska or Des Moines would not have been built. Only the US had the
luxury of affording very expensive ships. As a comparison, Brooklyn cost $25 million and
Cleveland cost $34 million. CL1 and CA Scheme #3 have been built with improved 40mm AA
as they might have appeared in the Pacific. In addition, they take into account the increased
topweight of AA and radar and have the waist 5” guns lowered to the main deck.
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A205 A206 A207 A411 A201 A312
CA2D CA 1940 #2 CAC CLScheme1 Alaska Des Moines
Date Jan, 1940 Feb, 1940 July, 1940 July, 1940 Jan, 1941 Nov, 1943
Displace tons 38,700 15,750 20,000 13,300 27,500 19,930
Length 888’ 716’ 808’ 680’ 808’ 716’
Width 104’ 72’ 77’ 68’ 90’ 26’
Draft 24’ 25’ 22’ 31’ 32’
Speed 33 knots 33 knots 33 knots 34 knots 32 knots 32 knots
Armament 12-12”/50
16-5”/38
16-1.1”
12-8”/55
12-5”/38
8-21”TT
12-8”/55
12-5”/38
8-21”TT
12-6”/47
12-5”/38
8-21”TT
9-12”/50
12-5”/38
56-40mm
9-8”/55
12-5”/38
24-3”/50
Armor belt 13” 5.7” 7.6” 5.7” 9.5”@10° 6”
Deck(up/main) 1.2”/2.5” 1.2”/3” 1.2”/2.5” 1.4”/4.25” 1”/3.5”
Immune zone 18k-
26k*12”
15k-24k*8” 12k-30k*8”
19k-
23k*12”
Rounds/Min 36 36 36 96 27 90!
Weight/Min 41,040 12,060 12,060 18,036 30,780 30,150
Cost $ 90 million 74 million 48 million
This is an alternative building schedule for the CLs and CAs built by the US. The same number
of CL #1 and CA #2 replace the follow-on Cleveland and Baltimore but creates more survivable
ships. Clevelands are capped at 15 and Baltimores capped at the initial production run of 4.
‘40 ‘41 ‘42 ‘43 ‘44 ‘45
4 Cleveland
2 Cleveland (#1)
5 Cleveland (#2)
1 Cleveland (#3)
3 Cleveland
7 Cleveland (#4)
2 Cleveland (#5)
2 Fargo (#5)
4 Baltimore
4 Baltimore (#6)
6 Baltimore (#7)
3 Baltimore (#7)
7 CL #1 (#4)
4 CL #1 (#5)
4 CA #2 (#6)
6 CA #2 (#7)
#1 plus 2 Cleveland completed as CVLs
#2 plus 3 Cleveland completed as CVLs
#3 plus 4 Cleveland completed as CVLs
#4 replaces 7 Cleveland s with CL1 and caps the Cleveland s at 15 built
#5 replaces 2 Cleveland and 2 Fargo with 4 CL1
#6 replaces 4 Baltimore laid down in 1943 but take an extra 3 months to complete
#7 replaces 6 Baltimore but take an extra 3 months to complete. Due to the larger size of
CA2, the last 3 Baltimores are not replaced.
Total built now include 4 Baltimores, 8 CLAA (not depicted), 15 Clevelands, 11 CL1, and 10
CA2 totaling 48 cruisers plus 37 prewar cruisers, 18 more than the minimum needed for a Pacific
defensive campaign
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A208 CA, Scheme 3, A210 CA ‘M’
This fascinating look at cruisers envisioned ‘convertibles’ where ships like CAC would substitute
twin 12” for 8” turrets 1,2 and 4. If other countries started building ‘super cruisers’, this
accommodated the possibility of growth while not starting a spiraling cruiser race. However, it
was not really convertible without rebuilding the ship. One issue is that the cruisers would trim 2
feet at the bow because of the lack of a fourth turret aft.
Scheme ‘M’ was preferred by the General Board because it would have been able to put 5-10”
guns on two different targets. It completely outclassed the German pocket battleships and was
thought to be a match for the feared Japanese pocket battleships. The 660lb 10” would have also
been a threat to the lightly armored Kongo’S. Armor was proof against the 8” shell and she had
an immune zone of 15k-24k yards against the German 11” shell. Unfortunately, the 10” gun only
existed on the drawing boards.
Scheme #3 with a dedicated 6-12” would be an effective ‘cruiser killer’ with two having an
excellent chance against Scharnhorst. It would also be effective against the feared Japanese
‘pocket battleships’. The choices were between a large, balanced 12” gun ship (CA2 series which
became the Alaska), a balanced CA with 12 8” guns making many hits (CAC), and this
compromise which had the 12” guns but only protection against the 8” shell. It would have been
possible to build 4 of these using the 12” guns of the ARKANSAS and Wyoming. The barbettes
for both the 2x12” of the AR and the 3x8” of Des Moines wer24’ in diameter and the AR turret
weighed 491 tons against the Des Moines 451 tons, very interchangeable.
CAIII CA3 CA M
Date March, 1940 June, 1940 June, 1940
Displacement 20,000 tons 17,300 tons 22,500 tons
Length 735’ 710’ 735’
Width 78’ 74’ 82
Draft 25’ 24.5’ 26’
Speed 34.4 knots 33.2 33.5
Armament 6-12”/50” 6-12” (3x2) 10-10” (2x2,2x3)
12-5”/38 12-5”/38 12-5”/38
16-1.1” 16-1.1”
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A410 CL Scheme C, August 1941 and Scheme H January 1943
Scheme C & H Scheme IX 1938 Cleveland
Displacement 12,200 tons 8,200 10,000
Length 620’ 575 608’
Width 66’ 59 64’
Draft 23’ 20
Speed 33 knots 33knots 32 knots
Armor Belt 4” 5”
Armor Deck 1.5” upper, 5” main 2”
Armament 8-6”/47 DP (4x2) 10-6”/47DP 12-6”/47 (4x3)
44-40mm 12-5”/38 (6x2)
The genesis of this design was the 2nd London Treaty that restricted cruisers to 8,000 tons and 6”
guns. Concurrently with the Atlanta design, an automated twin 6” turret was proposed that would
allow an 8,000 ton cruiser to be built mounting four of the twin turrets. Eventually a fifth mount
was added and the gun mount design was completed in September, 1937. Two cruisers were
ordered under the 1940 program but WWII caused their cancellation with more Clevelands built
instead. However, the gun mount continued to be developed since it was also being considered
for the secondary battery of the battleships. The Worcesters designs starting in May 1941
included this smaller version built on a Cleveland sized hull. The automatic 6” guns would be
able to produce as many shells per minute as a Cleveland and be able to provide heavy AA fire at
a much longer range and height than the standard 5”/38. More than 250 crew could be eliminated
with the automation and lack of 5” guns. The most important aspect of the design was the thick
decks to protect against 1600lb bombs. Weight could be saved by moving the aircraft
arrangements amidships (like the Alaska) and gaining freeboard with a broken main deck aft.
However, this weakened the girder although it provided for better subdivision aft instead of the
large aircraft hanger. Scheme H of 1943 restored the aircraft aft on a flush deck hull aft like the
Brooklyn, Cleveland, and Baltimore. Scheme H was more costly on a gun-per-ton basis than the
Worcester, and since we were at war, money was no object. The gun designers finally got their
mount to sea after 10 years of work.
A510A/A510B August to December 1940 Armored Carriers
Date CV-A CV-B Midway
Displacement 44,500 tons 38,500 tons 45,000
Length 900’ 900’ 900’
Width 111’ 104’ 113’
Draft 32’ 32’
SHP 172,000 150,000 212,000
Speed 33 knots 32 knots 33 knots
Armament 9-8”/55 16-6”/47 (4x2, 8x1) 18-5”/54
8-5”/38 84-40mm
Aircraft 112 91 144
Armor FD 1” 1” 3.5”
HD 3.5” 3.5” 2”
AD 2” 2” 2”
Belt 7.6” 5” 7.6”
These were two of the competitors for the Midway design. As a group, these were fully armored
carriers evolved from the CV-9F of the ESSEX. Designed just after the first four Essex were laid
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down, the focus was on a ship that could protect herself against cruisers as well as aircraft.
Several significant factors contributed to each design.
Power plants were only available in three sizes; Essex (150,000), Montana (172,000) and Iowa
(212,000). These ships approached a size where the Essex power plant was insufficient to
guarantee 30 knots wind over deck if there was any hull fouling. This essentially eliminated the
Essex plant requiring a much larger engine room. The Midway finally adopted the Iowa plant but
with far greater subdivision than even the Montana giving her very complete underwater
protection.
TB TB TB TB TB TB TB TB TB
ER PR BR BR BR BR BR BR Evap
AMR Evap SSTG ER PR SSTG ER Bow
ER PR BR BR BR BR BR BR AMR
TB TB TB TB TB TB TB TB TB
AMR – Aux Motor Room BR – Boiler Room Evap – Evaporators ER- Engines
SSTG Turbo Generators TB – Torpedo Bulkheads
Heavier aircraft required a thicker flight deck; the heavy deck armor led to a wider beam and
lower flight deck to the water to preserve stability. Armor was required to protect against bombs
and shell fire to prevent the loss of the ship like the Glorious. The lowered flight deck would
allow spray and even green water to sweep the bow eliminating the preference to use the forward
end of the flight deck as an aircraft park. This problem would not be fully resolved until the
advent of the angled flight deck. Finally, the experience of the Illustrious surviving six bombs
from the Luftwaffe a month later in January 1941 proved the value of armor. The bomb hit
locations were matched to similar locations to an Essex with the surprising conclusion that the
Essex would have survived. It was recommended that the hanger deck be divided by 1” STS
bulkheads to restrict the spread of damage. Further studies with increased armor lead to the final
design of the Midway.
An 8” armament was preferred but it led to a lighter 5” AA armament. This was felt acceptable
since the fighters should be her main defense against aircraft. It was not until 2 years later that
the battles in the Solomons revealed the inadequacies of the slow-firing 8” cruisers which led to
the design of the Des Moines with automatic 8” guns.
The automatic 6” gun was still in an early stage of development (not operational until 1949!) and
CVB could not mount it and transit the Panama Canal unless the single 6” guns in the deck
galleries were Single-Purpose. This model is predicated on having DP single and twin 6”/47,
hence the larger hull. Not only is this a superior anti-surface weapon due to the rounds-per-
minute but in an AA mode, they have 50% greater range than the 5”/38 and a 50% greater lethal
radius. The Midway’s 18 -5”/54 gave her both a good anti-surface and AA capability. Finally,
CV-A’s hull lead directly to the Midway design.
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GREAT BRITAIN
B204 INVINCIBLE 1921 (G3)
Financially exhausted by the expenses of WWI, Britain began feeling pressed by her two allies’
plans for greatly expanded fleets. The new ships of the United States and Japan would dwarf
even the enormous Hood. Designed during 1920 and laid down in October 1921, all work
stopped after 3 weeks on the ways due to the Washington Treaty.
Unlike earlier British capital ships, their dimensions were only limited by the Panama and Suez
canals. Designs ranged from 43,750 to 53,100 tons. Eventually the G3 was approved in
December 1920 and unofficially assigned the “I” names of the first four British battlecruisers
(Invicible, Inflexible, Indomitable, Indefatigable). Design characteristics were:
Displacement 48,400 tons
Dimensions 856 x 106 x 33 feet
Speed 31 knots
Armament 9-16:/45 (3x3)
16-6”/50 (8x2)
6-4.7”/43 AA
40 2pdr (4x10)
2 – 24.5” Torpedo Tubes
Armor Belt: 14”/12” inclined at 18º over the magazines/machinery
Deck: 8”/4” over magazines/machinery
Turret 17” face, 8” roof
These ships were the first British dreadnoughts designed without any stern arcs of fire. X turret
was located between the bridge and after superstructure with only a 40º blind spot at the stern.
This allowed the belt and deck armor over the magazines to be maximized over a minimum
distance. The belt was internally sloped which allowed the beam to be maximized. Deck armor,
particularly over the magazines, was better than any of her contemporaries.
Compared against the Japanese and American ships, this design was better balanced. Triple
turrets saved weight, which was utilized for armor. Secondaries in turrets were an enormous
improvement over the casemate mounts. AA was exceptionally complete although the 2pdr
mount took 10 years to develop. Speed was only marginally less than the Lexington. This ship
introduced the tower superstructure that was used on subsequent new and rebuilt battleships.
Although cancelled, the turrets and general design were used as the basis of the Nelson class, the
only 16” battleships ever completed in Britain.
If an Achilles heel existed for these ships, it was in the deck armor over the machinery or the
shorter length of the belt. Experience with the Yamato and Musashi showed that extensive
flooding of unarmored spaces, particularly in the bow, could lead to loss of speed and
maneuverability and subsequently the ship. Nevertheless, these were arguably the best ships of
their time and would have held their own against any ships built in WWII.
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B112 N3
Approved in November 1921, the N3 was the battleship companion to the Invincible G3) laid
down the previous month. Less than 50 feet shorter than their battlecruiser cousins, the N3 would
have a heavier main battery, heavier armor and be capable of 23 knots so they could operate with
the existing battle fleet. Armor arrangement was similar but the machinery arrangement was
switched with the boiler rooms aft of the engine rooms. This meant long shaft lengths which
could pose the same problems of opening the entire hull if hit by a torpedo as happened with the
Prince of Wales.
However, in July 1921 the Five Powers were invited to a disarmament conference that
commenced on November 12, 1921, the same month these ships were approved. On February 6,
1922 the Washington Conference confirmed the new treaty restrictions and the G3s were
cancelled a week later. The N3s were never ordered or laid down. Design characteristics were:
Displacement 48,500 tons
Dimensions 820 x 106 x 33 feet
Speed 23 knots
Armament 9-18:/45 (3x3)
16-6”/50 (8x2)
6-4.7”/43 AA
40 2pdr (4x10)
2 – 24.5” Torpedo Tubes
Armor Belt: 15”/13.5” inclined at 18º over the magazines/machinery
Deck: 8” over magazines/machinery
Turret 18” face, 8” roof
B113 BB1935 15A/B
B206 F3
Numerous design studies to replace the G3 (cancelled by the Washington Treaty) had been
completed in 1921 as part of the Nelson preliminary design. Design F3 envisioned a 15” armed
ship that could be reasonably well protected and achieve 28 knots. Alas, the “mine is bigger than
yours” syndrome in battleship guns dictated that the British had to accept 16” guns for the Nelson
condemning them to only 23 knots. This was unfortunate because the British lost the opportunity
to have a post-Washington Treaty fleet of 14 BBs (5 QE, 5 R, 4 Iron Duke) screened by a fast
wing of 28 knot ships (2 F3, Hood, 2 Renown, Tiger). This would have caused much angst
among the Japanese (Kongos at the time were only 26 knot) and the US (cancelled Lexingtons).
More importantly, the existence of a fast BB in 1936 could have allowed the British to take the
time to produce the 15A/B which would result in a total of 10 (5 15A, 2 F3, Hood, Renown,
Repulse) high speed 15” battleships broadly comparable but more numerous than Bismarck and
Littorio.
By the mid-1930s, the British were convinced they had to rearm due to increasing world tensions.
Unable to convince anyone that smaller battleships should be built, they studied the differences
between 30 and 27 knot ships armed with 14”, 15” or 16” guns. It was clear from the studies that
on either the 30 or 27 knot hulls, an armament of 15” guns provided the best balance of fire
power and left enough weight for good protection. Despite having 15 years to accept the best
balanced battleship design, the British still did not get it right; time constraints and the treaty
restrictions prompted hasty decisions leading to the inferior KGVs. An improvement to the KGV
would have been to use the quadruple 13” guns of the Dunkerque built under license or with a
trade agreement with the French. The public would have been convinced the 13” gun was
inferior despite it having better penetration powers than the British 14”, 15” or 16” guns.
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Due to treaty considerations and the run-down condition of the armaments factories, the KGV
class was fitted with 14” guns. By contrast the Americans waited and were able to escalate to 16”
guns but at the expense of North Carolina being service ready a year after the KGV. The British
position proved correct; they didn’t have a year and needed the KGVs even sooner than they
became available. It is not clear if torpedo tubes were planned for these ships. They were for the
12” gunned small BBs. Therefore, they have been included but can be removed if you desire.
This ship happens to be a personal favorite of this author. A well balanced 30 knot ship could be
built on 35,000 tons. And you can build 6 of them for 5 Bismarck s.
F3 15A 15B Bismarck Littorio
Displacement 35,000 35,000 35,000 41,200 40,500
Dimensions 740 x106 x 29 770 x 104 x 31 770 x 104 x 31 820x118x31 780x108x34
Speed 28 30 27 30 30
Armament 9-15”/50 (3x3)
8-6”/50 (4x2)
32 – 2pdr (4x8)
9-15:/45 (3x3)
20-4.5” (10x2)
32- 2pdr (4x8)
10-21” TT
4 aircraft
9-15:/45 (3x3)
20-4.5” (10x2)
32- 2pdr (4x8)
10-21” TT
4 aircraft
8-15”/47(4x2)
12-5.9” (6x2)
16-4.1” (8x2)
16-37mm AA
4 aircraft
9-15”/50 (3x3)
12-6” (4x3)
12-3.5” (12x1)
20-37mm AA
3 aircraft
Armor belt
Armor deck*
Turret
12”
7”/3.25”mag/mac
16”
12.5”
5.25”
15”
14”
6”
15”
12.6”
5.7” (total)
14”
14.2”
6.7” (total)
15”
Hull weight
Machinery wgt
Armor wgt
Armament wgt
Gen Equipmnt
Fuel
Margin
13,500
4,100
9,970
5,400
850
4000
180
13,500
2,875
11,155
6,270
1,200
4,000
13,200
2,375
11,955
6,270
1,200
4,000
11,506
2,756
17,263
5,960
1,815
8,167
10,441
2,267
13,451
6,462
4,583
4,161
* German and Italian deck armor was in multiple layers and in the case of Littorio thinned at the
edges. British deck armor was in a single layer but lacked an upper deck layer (American design)
that would fuse shells or bombs.
B102 LION
These ships proved that less is not better. The British deliberately chose to limit displacement to
40,000 tons in a futile attempt to convince other powers to limit the size of their ships. Every
other power had already broken this limit on ships building or planned. However, this limit did
allow the Lion s to be able to be docked in additional ports compared to larger ships. Despite
these faults, they would have been valuable additions to a fleet that lost 5 capital ships during the
war with several more permanently crippled.
Successors to the King George V, they corrected the issue of an insufficient main armament. The
protection and propulsion scheme was nearly identical to the KGV, which proved to be
inadequate under war conditions. The armor scheme was good with the armor estimated to be
equivalent to American armor 25% thicker. Unfortunately, the planned underwater protection
scheme proved disastrous for the Prince of Wales. Despite being designed to withstand a 1000 lb
torpedo warhead, the POW’s hull was breached by a smaller warhead. Hatches between
bulkheads were warped causing massive flooding across the ship and loss of power. The
machinery was not as advanced as the Americans or Germans and they carried less than half the
fuel of the Americans or Germans. The lack of sheer at the bow meant that these ships would
have shipped a lot of water lowering their effective maximum speed in heavy weather.
Lion and Temeraire were laid down in 1939 with Conqueror and Thunderer to be laid down later
that year. Construction was not significantly advanced because it was not felt they could be
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finished in time for the war and because of other more pressing construction. Two more were
projected under the 1940 estimates. Lion was redesigned in 1942 to improve underwater
protection, reducing belt armor over the machinery, increasing endurance and improving AA
defense. The most important change was to increase the bow height from 28 to 37 feet.
Superiors model of Lion 1942 can be converted to the earlier design by bending the bow down
until there is no sheer and then filing the waterline flat.
Battleships were still considered as part of a balanced fleet late in the war. The final design of the
Lion was significantly larger than previous ships. The turrets in particular were larger and
capable of faster firing.
Lion 1939 Lion 1942 Lion 1944 Super Lion
Displacement 40,550 tons 42,550 tons 56,500 48,500 tons
Length 793’ 793’ 830’ 850’
Width 105’ 108’ 115’ 110’
Draft 30’ 30’ 35’ 33’
Speed 30 knots 28.25 knots 26 knots
Armament 9-16”/45 (3x3) same same 12-16”/45 (4x3)
16-5.25”(8x2) same same 16-5.25” (8x2)
92 2pdr AA (10x8,3x4) 72 2pdr AA (9x8) same 84-2pdr
Armor belt: 14.7” 14.7” same 14.7”
Deck: 5.9” 5.9” same 5.9”
Turrets: 14.7” face, 6” roof same same
Lion and Super Lion engaged!
B111/B116 Super Lion (16E-38)
This was one of the Lion variations investigated in 1938. While it may have been too large and
expensive in 1938, it represents a logical next step in 1942. Two Lions each were programmed
for 1938, 1939 and 1940. By this time the trends in German, Japanese, French and Russian ships
were becoming known. Britain would have to increase the size of her ships to remain
competitive. This would have meant new docks while the beam would have precluded passing
through the Panama Canal.
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These ships matched the size of the cancelled Invincibles of 1921. They had superior armament
at the expense of speed and to some extent, protection. Speed could not be improved without
increasing the size of the ship to house more powerful machinery.
These ships gave up 12,000 tons to the comparable Montana. On 80% of the Montana
displacement, they had an inferior main and secondary armament, speed, underwater protection
and armor. Despite this, superior numbers of shells would have leveled the playing field against
the Germans. However, they also represent the maximum effort an impoverished Britain could
afford to maintain her empire. It is also interesting to compare their characteristics against Lion
as redesigned in 1944 which was a larger ship with less armament. Improved weapons could
only be matched by increasing the proportion of the ship devoted to protection. B116 has the
superstructure replaced by a Vanguard style superstructure and suppresses the aircraft equipment.
B110 VANGUARD 1946
Last of the British battleships, desired before the war started but not finished until after the war
ended, Vanguard was the largest, best protected ship produced by Britain. Built with ‘off-the-
shelf’ components, she could have been finished much more quickly if needed.
Vanguard was first proposed in March 1939 using the turrets from the Glorious and Courageous.
Using the machinery, protection and endurance of the KGV, a new battleship could be made very
quickly. If this concept ship was successful, sisters could be built around the turrets of the
Revenge class battleships that were due for replacement. Like the Lion, Vanguard had the same
propulsion and radius issues and the torpedo bulkhead still had a step in it that reduced its
effectiveness. However, watertight and damage control effectiveness was considerably enhanced
by eliminating the many watertight hatches in the bulkheads and replacing them with watertight
scuttles in the overheads.
Displacement: 42,300 tons
Length 814’
Beam 108’’
Draft 34’
Speed 29.5 knots
Armament 8-15” /42 (4x2)
16-5.25” (8x2) dual purpose
73 – 40mm (10x6, 1x2, 11x1)
Armor Belt: 13.73/ 12.75” (magazines/machinery) tapered to 4”
Deck:5.9”/4.9” (magazines/machinery)
Turrets 12.75”/10.8”/6.9”/5.9” (face/side/back/roof)
Superior’s Vanguard is also built with ‘off-the-shelf’ components. This upgraded out-of-
production model uses the QE 15” turrets, KGV 5.25” turrets and new sextuple and single 40mm
AA. The hull has been upgraded with hatching, rafts and a visible armor belt.
As part of the ‘What-If?’ scenario of WWII starting five years later than it did, how would
Vanguard be used? A likely scenario would be a battlecruiser squadron based in Gibraltar where
it could help the French against the Italians or sortie into the Atlantic. Vanguard, a rebuilt Hood,
Renown and Repulse were individually superior to the German surface raiders including the OPQ
battlecruisers. As a squadron with air cover, they would have overwhelmed single German
battleships and provided a fast squadron to locate the H/Graf Zeppelin battle groups. It would
also have been logical for the Dunkerque and Strassbourg to be part of this battlecruiser squadron
while the French battleships engaged the Italian fleet.
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B114 LION Hybrid
If the original Lion design proved that less is not better, this concept reduced her battleship
qualities even further. By definition, a hybrid attempts to combine the functions of two different
types of ship, one usually being an aircraft carrier, at the expense of not being as powerful as a
ship with ‘pure’ functions. The thinking was that for 1/3 of a BB you could get ½ of a CV. This
ship was proposed in 1941 as a way of providing fighter coverage and very limited strike
capability totaling only 14 aircraft. This ship was seen as very inferior to a battleship with an
unarmored hanger, unprotected uptakes and potential damage to the flight deck from the gun
blast. She sacrificed 1/3 of her firepower, gained virtually no strike capability, and offered a
larger target to the enemy. Since she could not be finished until 1945 at the earliest, and the
return on investment dubious, the idea was shelved.
Lion Hybrid
Displacement 44,750 tons
Length 800’
Width 112’
Draft 30’
Speed 28 knots
Armament 6-16”/45 (3x3)
16-5.25”(8x2)
64 2pdr AA (8x8)
12 fighters, 2 torpedo bombers
Armor belt: 13”
Deck: 5.9”
Turrets: 14.7” face, 6” roof
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B115 RODNEY (planned rebuild 1936)
As with all the British battleships, plans were drafted for rebuilding Rodney and Nelson as well as
Hood (B205). Alternatives included replacing the 6” with either 5.25” or 4.5” secondaries and a
catapult either on ‘X’ turret or on the aft shelter deck (Raven & Roberts, p. 264). These 1936
plans could not have been carried out until 1940 at the earliest and by that time they were
desperately needed for the war. The 5.25” turret was in short supply for both the DIDO’s and
KGV’s leaving the 4.5” as the most likely armament. This model shows her with hangers on
either side of the funnel similar to Warspite or QE as rebuilt with boats and cranes on the hanger
and the DIV catapult aft of the hanger. The 4.5” guns are arranged as in QE as rebuilt. Replacing
the engines as in the other British battleships may not have been effective since she only had two
screws, limiting her to 60,000 SHP, probably not enough to increase speed
Displacement 35,000
Length 710’
Width 106’
Draft 30’
Speed 23 knots
Armament 9-16”/45 (3x3)
20-4.5” DP (10x2)
48 2pdr AA (5x8, 2x4)
Armor belt: 14”
Deck: 6.25” (magazines), 3.75” (machinery)
Turrets: 16” face, 7.25” roof
B205 HOOD 1944
HOOD prowling the sea lanes for the new German fleet
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WWII interrupted Britain’s plans to modernize her battle fleet. For the Nelson and Rodney, this
meant that their careers would be cut short because they could not be spared for extensive
modernization. For the Hood, the results were far more tragic. It was originally thought that
inadequately armored magazines and exposed torpedo warheads led to her rapid destruction by
the Bismarck. Recent dives on the wreck suggest that her after magazines were pierced by a
diving shell (similar to the PRINCE OF WALES in the same action). The forward magazine
could have exploded when the rapid list and potential electrical fires ignited the powder in the
trays.
No plans exist of the proposed changes to the Hood. Proposals developed in 1938 called for the
following:
1. Install new main and auxiliary machinery; Weight saved would be used to increase
the deck armor.
2. Remove the conning tower and install new bridges
3. Rearrange the protection. The best of the schemes was to delete the upper 5” belt,
leave the 12” and 7” belts in place, and increase the deck armor to 5” over the
magazines and 4” over the machinery.
4. Replace the secondaries with 16 – 5.25” (8x2)
5. Increase the AA armament to 6 octuple 2pdr
6. Install a cross deck DIIIH catapult similar to the KGV
7. Remove the torpedo tubes
Several proposed drawings have appeared in Breyer’s Battleships and Battlecruisers and in
Warship International. None of these is completely satisfactory because they don’t take into
account the machinery and magazine arrangements or the need for secondary fire on fore and aft
(four-corner) bearings. Superior’s Hood 1944 is modeled on British practice with their most
recently modernized ships, the Queen Elizabeth and Renown, and the features of the KGV class.
As completed, she bears a superficial resemblance to the Vanguard with twin funnels, modern
superstructure and two main turrets fore and aft.
The forward and aft control towers have been replaced by structures that resemble the KGV.
Aircraft hangers have been installed next to the after funnel as in KGV and Renown. A DIIIH
catapult is located on the main deck between the hangers and after superstructure.
The 24 boilers located in four boiler rooms would have been replaced with 8 Admiralty 3-drum
boilers. The boiler rooms would have been reduced in size to provide more extensive
subdivision. The engine rooms would have also been subdivided as in Warspite, Renown and
Queen Elizabeth to provide better subdivision and reduce vulnerability to single hits. This
reclaiming of space was vital for installing the new secondary armament while the new
machinery would have improved Hood’s speed to that of when she was first commissioned.
Lying between the forward boiler room and 15” magazines were the 5.5” magazines. Space
gained from the boiler room and the 5.5” magazines would have been used as the forward 5.25”
magazines. The forward 5.25” guns would have been mounted forward of the first funnel directly
over boiler room one to take advantage of this magazine space. The after 5.25” turrets would
have been located in the area vacated by the 4” AA. The 4” and 5.5” magazines would have been
converted to serve the 5.25”.
The length and size of the Hood would have provided additional opportunities for AA gun
emplacement. Four 8x2pdr are mounted in the standard arrangement abreast the funnels. Length
aft would have allowed an 8x2pdr to replace the twin 4”AA while retaining the aft 8x2pdr on the
bandstand. Two 4x2pdr on the bridge wings would have given good coverage forward as in the
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Howe and Anson. Twin 20mm would have completed the light armament. This would have
given Hood the best AA coverage of any of the British Battleships.
Tired of losing the Hood to the Bismarck in your war games? Take Bismarck on with the rebuilt
version as the British planned! See what 5” decks, higher speed; modernized 15” guns and new
fire control equipment do for you in the Battle of the Atlantic.
B306 British Planned Heavy Cruiser (Admiral Class)
At the outbreak of the war new large cruisers were desired. Free of treaty restrictions, the British
wanted ships that could catch and destroy the large German cruisers. The 9.2” (380lb) gun was
initially suggested but this would have created lead-time design problems and supply issues with
these being the only ships of this caliber. An immune zone of 14,600 to 24,000 yards against 8”
shell was sought. Another significant issue was that 2 Vanguards could be built instead of three
9.2” cruisers, a far better investment. Designs were off and on for several years with the
following characteristics.
Sept, 1939 Jan,1940 Jan, 1941 Mar, 1941 Oct, 1941
Displacement 22,000 tons 15,500 tons 15,000 tons 16,100 16,500
Length 700’ 670’ 650’ 670’ 670’
Width 84 77.5’ 77’ 79’ 80’
Speed 33 kts 33 knots 30.5 knots 32 32
Armament 12-9.2” (3x4) 9-8”/50 (3x3) 9-8”/50 (3x3) 9-8”/50 (3x3) 9-8”/50 (3x3)
12-4.5”(6x2) 12-4”(6x2) 12-4” (6x2) 8-4.5”(4x2) or 16-4” (8x2)
16 2pdr AA 16 2pdr AA 16-2pd (4x4) 16-2pdr (4x4) 40-2pdr (5x8)
Armor belt: 7” 6” 4.5” 4.5” 4.5”
Deck: 4” 3” 4” 4” 4”
Turrets: 6” face, 3” roof
The British laid down only 11 new cruisers after the beginning of the war. Construction of
destroyers, aircraft carriers and landing craft had a higher priority. This model is the 3x3 design
which was to mimic the KGV in appearance to cause misidentification. Design and construction
of a 9.2” design meant a five-year lead time which meant that the cruiser would probably not be
available before the end of the war. Compared to the slightly smaller Des Moines, the 9.2” design
could only fire half the number of shells with no greater penetration capability than the heavy US
8” (335lb). In addition, only 12 9.2”/50 naval barrels still existed although the British Army used
a similar weapon for coast defense. It is more likely that the cruiser would have had 9x8”. For
the very speculative naval architect, the Brits had 9 twin 13.5” turrets from the TIGER and IRON
DUKE in storage. This could have produced 3 fast armored cruisers with 6x13.5” each.
The final question in the design was one of secondary armament. The final 8” designs could
carry either 8-4.5” or 16-4”. The 4.5” was more effective against destroyers but the more
numerous 4” was superior against aircraft. Given the heavy losses to aircraft, the 4” would be
mounted in the four-corner arrangement similar to the British BBs. By the end of January 1942,
the question of building large 8” cruisers was shelved forever. An interesting alternative
suggested in November 1941 was to build repeat Belfasts with 8” armament. Finally, given that
the British requested plans for Cleveland as potential cruisers, one wonders why they also would
not pursue the Baltimore which was a superior design? One reason both US cruisers were able to
achieve their combination of armor and armament was the compact, light and powerful
machinery which was beyond British capabilities at that time.
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D201 Dutch Battlecruisers 1047
Dutch naval power had ebbed considerably since her bitter rivalries with England in the 18th
century. Her colonial empire in the Pacific had survived but the light forces stationed there were
inadequate to resist the Japanese. Banking on the United States and British battle fleets to tie
down the Japanese battleships and battlecruisers, it seemed best to design ships that could defeat
the numerous Japanese heavy cruisers.
Development of three battlecruisers was begun in February 1939. German assistance was
requested in April 1939. Invasion of the Low Countries in May 1940 halted a year of design
studies that had produced plans for a battle cruiser with the following characteristics.
Displacement: 28,000 tons
Length 778’
Beam 98’
Draft 26’
Speed 34 knots
Armament 9-11” (3x3)
12-4.7” (6x2) dual purpose
14 – 40mm (7x2)
3 aircraft, one catapult
Armor Belt: 9.8” inclined at 10”
Deck:5.1” (total)
Sufficient to provide protection to 8” shells at ranges greater than 10,000 yds
Dimensionally equivalent to the Scharnhorst, these twin-funneled ships traded armor for speed.
The main armament would have been the superb German 11” gun but a low control tower would
have limited their effective range. Similar in size to the Alaska, the 1047 had significantly less
firepower, equivalent protection and superior speed. These would have been highly effective
against Japanese light forces but lacked the protection to take on even the modernized, elderly
Kongo’s. Given the history of the Pacific, the torpedo equipped Japanese cruisers would have
stood an even chance against these ships in a night action. Assuming the absence of air cover, if
the Dutch did manage to catch the Japanese during daylight hours, these ships would be highly
effective “cruiser killers”. Tired of trying to stem the Japanese tide with the De Ruyter and Java?
Try these proposed battlecruisers against the Japanese heavy cruisers!
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France
F901 French NORMANDIE 1916
Plagued by the lack of large docks, the French navy examined innovative ways to increase the
firepower of their battleships yet maintain the same basic hull size. Only 35 feet in length
separated the Courbet, Bretagne and Normandie classes. The use of a quadruple turret would
give the NORMANDIE’s a broadside of 12-13.4” compared to 10-13.4” for the BRETAGNE and
10-12” for the Courbet. In addition, arcs of fire were improved with no restricted central or wing
turrets. Despite four of the class being launched by 1915, none were completed. However, their
machinery saw service in destroyers, the main guns mounted on rail cars and one, the Bearn,
became the first French aircraft carrier. Perhaps their most important legacy was the existence of
construction drawings for quadruple turrets that were used in both the DUNKERQUE and
RICHELIEU classes.
Displacement 25,230 tons
Length 578’
Width 89’
Draft 30’
Speed 21 knots
Armament 12-13.4”/45 (3x4)
24-5.5”/55 (24x1)
Armor belt: 11.8”
Deck: 4.7”
Turrets: 13.4”
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F105 GASGOGNE
Alsace leads Gascogne in the North Atlantic
In 1926, the French navy began considering a battlecruiser capable of destroying the Washington
Treaty Cruisers. By 1930, these designs evolved into the DUNKERQUE class mounting two
quadruple 13” turrets forward. Design time was saved by utilizing the existing drawings for the
quadruple 13.4” turrets of the NORMANDIE class battleships of WWI. Four Richelieu class
battleships followed the DUNKERQUE’s with 8-15” guns in quadruple turrets. These excellent
ships were technically superior to the Littorio and Bismarck causing the British much anxiety
should they be captured by the Axis.
The fourth and last unit of the RICHELIEU was modified to improve firepower aft, reduce
vulnerability of the forward turrets and improve the AA arcs. Machinery and superstructure were
moved forward and B turret relocated aft. An outstanding feature of this ship was that all nine 6”
guns could bear on the broadside offering very heavy resistance to attacks by light cruisers and
destroyers. Considered by many to be superior to the Bismarck, the RICHELIEU class was an
outstanding combination of protection, firepower and speed. GASGOGNE was not laid down
due to the invasion of France.
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F106 French ALSACE
Early in 1940, the French began design studies for a new class of ships. The escalation clause of
the Washington treaty was now in effect with the United States planning the 45,000-ton Iowa
while the British had laid down the 40,000 ton Lion. The French considered three different
designs:
40,000 tons, 9-15” (3x3) 42,500 tons, 9-16”(3x3) 45,000 tons, 12-15”(3x4)
These represented ship sizes based on both the British and US plans as well as a compromise ship
of 42,500 tons. However, since the French had not built a triple gun turret of such size before, a
considerable delay would have ensued. By using the existing quad 15” turret, the ALSACE
would have been able to be built more quickly. This was particularly important since existing
docks limited them to building no more than two battleships simultaneously. Secondary
armament could have included forward and aft mounted 3x6” turret and two wing turrets
allowing 9-6” to bear on any destroyers or cruisers. Additional boilers would have been added to
a lengthened engine room. This would have resembled the original engineering spaces for the
RICHELIEU that could allow for either a single or twin funnels.
The invasion of France eliminated any possibility that the ALSACE, NORMANDIE, FLANDRE
or BURGOGNE would ever be completed. These ships would have been more than a match for
the Bismarck or Littorio while the ‘H’ would have been outgunned 12 heavy guns to 8.
Compared to the Iowa, these ships saved precious centerline space by using ‘macks’ integrated
with fire control equipment. The French ships had a broader bow giving them better rough
weather capability than the Iowa. By contrast, they also had a narrower stern allowing less
complete torpedo protection around the aft turrets, propellers and rudders. Given the dimensions
of this ship and previous French experience with overweight ships, it is likely they could have
displaced about 48,000 tons.
Displacement 45,000 tons
Length 900’
Width 108’
Draft 31’
Speed 30 knots
Armament 12-15” (3x4)
12-6” (4x3)
16-3.9” (8x2)
32 – 37mm AA (8x4)
Armor Similar to RICHELIEU
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F307 St. Louis
The French began studying replacements for the three PRIMAGUET class in 1939-40. They
wanted 3 cruisers that were superior to the HIPPER class in speed, armor and armament. This
necessitated a 50% increase in size over the ALGERIE, the last heavy cruiser completed, and one
of the best treaty cruisers built by any country. Several designs were suggested with some having
superior AA fire at the expense of catapults and aircraft. This model is of the C5 A3 with
somewhat reduced AA capability to add aircraft facilities. These ships would have introduced the
twin 37mm ACAD mounting with separate directors. Replacement of Duguay Trouin was
approved on 1 April 1940, but construction was never ordered.
Displacement: 14, 470 tons
Length: 662’
Width 66’
Draft 19’
Speed: 34 knots
Armament: 9-8” (3x3)
10-3.9” (5x2)
3 planes
Suggested Armor: belt 7.4”,
deck 3.4”,
turrets 3.8”
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Germany
G925 Mackensen 1916
G906 L20 1918
Mackensen L20a Tosa South Dakota
Displacement 31,000 tons 43,800 38,500 42,500
Length 732’ 781’ 768’ 684’
Width 100’ 110’ 100’ 106’
Draft 30’ 30’ 31’ 33’
Speed 27 knots 26 knots 26.5 knots 23 knots
Armament 8-13.8”/45 (4x2) 8-16.5” (4x2) 10-16” 12-16”
14-5.9”/45 (14x1) 12-5.9” (12x1) 20-5.5” 16-6”
8-3.5” AA 8-3.5” AA 4-4.7”AA 4-5”AA
5-24” TT 3 24” TT 8-24” TT
Armor belt: 11.8” 13.8” 11” inclined 13.5”
Deck: 3” 2.4” 4” 6” total
Turrets: 11” 13.8” 14” 18”
Conning Tower: 11.8” 13.8” 18”
Germany built the world’s first fast battleship with the battlecruiser Von Der Tann (VDT) in 1910.
All the early German battlecruisers had armor reduced by 15% compared to the traditional
German battleships, slightly reduced armament (number of guns or size of guns) and speed was at
least 27 knots. Germany did not realize their potential advantage with this near perfect
combination of features. VDT was as well armored as the Dreadnought, had the same 8-gun
broadside with 8-11” compared to 8-12” and was 6 knots faster. In retrospect, they would have
been better off building a squadron of Seydlitz’s replacing the Kaiser’s and a squadron of
Derfflingers to replace the Konigs. A dozen of these fast ships could have operated with
impunity in the North Sea unless the British developed more and better battlecruisers.
By 1912 the Germans planned to build battleships and battlecruisers in equal numbers resulting in
four BADENs and four Mackensens. All four Mackensens were laid down in 1915 but none were
ever finished. 3 more improved Mackensens were approved in 1916 as the ersatz-Yorck class but
were never laid down. Mackensen would have a significant improvement in fire power compared
to her predecessor Derfflinger, firing a 1323lb shell compared to the 894lb 12” shell. They were
more than a match for the QE battleships and substantially better than the TIGER.
The British responded with the Admiral class of 42,000 ton battlecruisers armed with 8-15” guns
and capable of 32 knots. Only the Hood was completed.
After the Battle of Jutland, a new battleship was desired with much heavier guns and high speed.
Like all German capital ships, they were designed with heavy side armor and thin deck armor
expecting combat to feature shallow trajectory shells at 16,000 yards in the misty North Sea. The
L20 series was designed in 1917 but never laid down as hoped in 1918. They unsuccessfully
competed for the same resources as the U-Boats.
Compared to contemporary Japanese and US battleships, and despite their size, the Germans had
lost their edge in quality and features. Both Japanese and US ships had superior firepower, both
had superior deck armor for long range engagements and the Tosa matched L20 in speed. L20
would have been overmatched at long ranges with steeply diving shells penetrating her thin decks
and diving under her shallow armor.
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G103/104 H Class
Successors to the Bismarck, this class of six ships formed the backbone of the Z Plan. Formed
into two divisions of 3 ships and supported by a carrier and cruisers, these ships were intended for
long ocean deployments and convoy destruction. Two H39 were laid down in 1939 but
construction was halted after the start of the war.
Beginning in 1940, successive improvements to the design were suggested with the H41 the last
practical designs produced. H42, 43 and 44 were successively larger with no possibility of being
built because they would not have fit in any of the shallow German harbors. These were
theoretical studies only that were never presented to the German naval staff.
These ships were significantly different from the Bismarck in propulsion with 12 diesel engines
providing power to 3 shafts. Each stack held the exhausts and mufflers for 6 of the diesels.
Radius of action was to be 16,000 miles or similar to Iowa. Protection was similar to the
Bismarck and the armament arrangement was identical. The Germans preferred four twin turrets
for fire distribution even if three triple turrets provided more firepower, less weight and less hull
length. This arrangement consumed excess weight that could have been devoted to better aircraft
facilities, secondary armament or protection.
Only 7-16” were completed with 3 becoming railway guns, 3 installed in Norway and one lost in
shipment. The 16” shell weighed 1130kg, similar to the US 16” shell. The 16.5” gun was the
16” gun bored out. The H43 and H44 were designed to carry 8-20” (4x2).
Another consumer of weight was the installation of an upper casemate belt to protect against
cruiser and destroyer fire. This was unique to all German capital ships and also consumed weight
that could be better applied to armament or better-protected vitals. Another unique feature of
German capital ships was the bow armor to prevent loss of buoyancy as happened with the
Lutzow at Jutland.
Despite design choices that did not optimize the displacement, these would have been formidable
ships with good speed, protection against gunfire and firepower. Underwater protection was
excellent as would be expected in any German ship. These models can be converted into any of
the H class by mounting the superstructure on the appropriate size hull. The model with 12-15”
guns provides the wargamer an alternate gunnery arrangement that would have been possible on
this displacement. Superior numbers of shells hitting the target may be more important than
fewer penetrating hits.
H39 H40 H41 H42
Displacement 52,600 tons 62,800 63,000 88,600
Length 873’ 942’ 901’ 1,000’
Width 121’ 129’ 128’ 140’
Draft 33’ 33’ 36’ 39’
Speed 30.4 knots 30.4 knots 28.8 knots 32.2
Armament 8-16”/50 (4x2) same 8-16.5”/48 (4x2) same
12-5.9”/55 (6x2) same
16-4.1”(8x2)
6-21” TT
Armor belt: 11.8” same same 15”
Deck: 4.7 lower slope 13” total
Turrets: 16” face same
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G207/G203/G208 Kreuzer P/ OPQ Battlecruisers/KW45
These ships proved that everyone designed a stinker once in a while. The Germans lost sight of
their strategic focus in the late 1930s choosing to build a small, balanced fleet instead of
concentrating on interdicting their enemy’s sea lanes. The pocket battleships were designed for
long range disruption of trade with very few single ships capable of catching and sinking them.
The original design of Kreuzer P was an improvement on this concept.
The design needed to account for high speed to escape cruisers, long range for raiding, protection
from 8” guns and a powerful armament. The diesels needed for long range required significant
hull length which reduced the maximum speed. The displacement could only be limited if armor,
armament and torpedo protection was deliberately reduced. A 6” belt and 4” deck was required
to protect against 8” shells which was not possible on this displacement. The lack of a good DP
secondary armament consumed more weight. Despite an operational requirement for 12 of these
ships, the designers gave up and designed a much larger battlecruiser. Reports from the Naval
Technical mission to Germany indicate that a Kreuzer P was laid down at Germania Werft on
May 24, 1938. Breyer’s book shows the layout of model 1. This model is built to version 3 of
the proposed design (Appendix L) which is attached. Note that the date of this design is 1934.
The OPQ rate as the worst capital ships ever designed for the German navy. On a displacement
similar to the Scharnhorst, OPQ had a better main armament, slightly higher speed, significantly
greater range, inferior armor and suspect torpedo protection. The center shaft was a steam turbine
to allow the OPQ to gain high speed. Speed on diesels alone would reach 25 knots. The boilers
were all in a single boiler room making them vulnerable to a single hit. The thin deck armor and
thinner turret roofs made OPQ vulnerable to heavy cruiser fire much less STRASSBURG’s 13”
shells. The fast battleship replaced the battlecruiser concept with an Iowa matching their speed
and crushing them with 16” shells while ignoring any hits by the OPQ. Compared to the similar
sized B65, OPQ reduced deck armor to gain speed and endurance.
Despite all the things wrong with both these ships, 5 KREUZER P could have been built instead
of the HIPPER class cruisers. This would have helped the Germans at the beginning of the war
but airpower eliminated the usefulness of surface raiders.
More intriguing were projects KW45 and KW50 designed between June and September 1939.
These plans were found by Capt (Ret) Ken Johnson and placed in the National Archives. Reports
issued by the Director of Naval Intelligence on 8/29/45 contained capture documentation of
submarines, cruisers, destroyers, battleships and carriers. Discussed by the “Neubauausschuss”
during the 1939 time period, no other previous or subsequent mention of these ships have been
found in the German archives. Immense, fast, under-armed and under-armored battlecruisers had
advanced designs completed but were never approved. These would have suffered from the same
design defects as the OPQs but remain intriguing ships.
Bearing the same family resemblance to all other German capital ships, these twin funneled ships
basically mounted a Bismarck armament on an H sized hull. The triple 5.9” resembled the
Littorio layout while the 4.1” AA was completely inadequate. 16-37mm completed the AA
armament.
A five shaft power plant consumed enormous hull space and provided 36 knot speed with
300,000 shp. Special tunnels housed the shafts and towing tests revealed at least a 10% increase
in efficiency with co-efficients ranging between 0.42 and 0.48. Three different power plant
arrangements were being considered. Proposal A had 4 diesel shafts and 1 steam turbine while
Proposal C had 2 diesels and 3 steam turbines. All had three rudders in the aft 3 propeller races.
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Kreuzer P OPQ KW45 KW50
Displacement 19,679 tons 31,142 45,000 50,000
Length 755’ 814’ 984’ 984’
Width 89’ 98’ 111’ 121’
Draft 28’ 29’
Speed 34 knots 33 knots 36-37 knots 35 knots
Armament 6-11/”/55 (2x3) 6-15”/47(3x2) 8-15”/47 (4x2) same
4-5.9”/55 (2x2) 6-5.9”/55 (3x2) 12-5.9”/55 (4x3) same
8-4.1”(4x2) 8-4.1” (4x2) 8-4.1” (4x2) same
6-21” TT 12-21” TT 8-21” TT same
Armor belt: 4.7” 7.5” 8” 11.8”
Deck: 3.5” (total)
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G405 Kreuzer M
German light cruisers suffered from being designed to a 6,000 ton limit which severely impacted
their military qualities. Five years had passed since the NURNBERG had been built to this limit.
The new cruiser needed to be capable of long-range commerce raiding, high speed, a respectable
armament and light protection. This translated into a requirement for 12 cruisers at three per
year. M was laid down on 11/1/38 in Kiel, cancelled on 9/19/39 and scrapped in 1942. Equipped
with both diesels and steam turbines, she was designed for 35 knots with a radius of 8,000m at 19
knots. As escorts to the H class battleships, they would have had less than half their combat
radius. The main guns were similar to the twin 5.9” turrets on the German battleships and the AA
armament was inadequate, being less than half that of other nations cruisers.
Displacement 7,800 tons
Length 600’
Width 56’
Draft 18’
Speed 35.5 knots on 116,500 EHP
Armament 8-5.9” (4x2)
4-4.1”AA (2x2)
8-21” TT
Armor belt: 2”
Deck: 1”
Turrets: 3” face
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J108 TOSA
These improved Nagato’s were both launched in late 1921 prior to the signing of the Washington
treaty. With the Nagato’s and other planned battleships, their high speed would have allowed
them to engage the slower American fleet at will. Tests on the Tosa yielded information that was
used to construct Yamato while KAGA was converted into an aircraft carrier after the AMAGI
was destroyed on the building slip by the 1923 earthquake in Tokyo.
All ships represent compromises and these were no different. Five turrets used more weight and
yielded fewer guns than the South Dakota. Armor was generally thinner than US ships but the
belt was sloped. Deck armor was comprised of 2.5” armor with 1.5” high tensile steel on top.
This equates to an effective thickness of 3.5”. Turret armor was inadequate. A central bulkhead
split the ship in two and proved disastrous to every Japanese ship with this feature that suffered
torpedo damage. Most Japanese ships capsized from those hits because the water could not be
dispersed quickly enough across the ship. A narrow beam contributed to speed but not torpedo
protection. On the other hand, they had more armor and firepower than the Lexington but were 7
knots slower. It would be fair to say that in any engagement between these likely adversaries, the
ship with the higher speed should prudently use it to avoid an engagement.
TOSA AMAGI
Displacement 38,500 tons 40,000 tons
Length 768’ 820’
Width 100’ 101’
Draft 31’ 31’
Speed 26.5 knots on 91,000 EHP 30 knots on 131,000 SHP
Armament 10-16”/45 (5x2) 10-16”/45 (5x2)
20-5.5”/50 (20x1) 16-5.5”/50 (16x1)
4-3”/50 AA 4-3”/50 AA
8-24” TT 8-24” TT
Armor belt: 11” inclined at 15º 10”, inclined at 15º
Deck: 4” 4”
Turrets: 14” face 14” face
J201 AMAGI
Near classic battlecruiser versions of the Tosa, these ships sacrificed additional armor for
increased speed. With the four KII and four #13 class, Japan would have a dozen 30 knot capital
ships that could engage or disengage the US fleet at will. The same general armor and armament
comments made about Tosa apply to these ships. This model has the “S” shaped forward funnel
as mounted on the Nagato’s to keep smoke away from the bridge and range finders. AMAGI
and AKAGI were selected to be converted to aircraft carriers but the earthquake of 1923
destroyed AMAGI on the slip.
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J110 Number 13
Unnamed, perhaps not designed much beyond the concept stage and never laid down, these four
ships represented the final and most powerful ships of the 8-8 plan. Many different
configurations and sketches (similar to US Springstyle) were proposed with some carrying up to a
dozen 18” guns. The larger ships were not possible at this time due to constraints in building
facilities. It is important to note that Japan could build 4 capital ships simultaneously, Britain 8
and the United States 13. As in WW2, it was important for the Japanese to have individual ship
superiority because their potential adversaries could easily out-build them.
These are the examples of what was proposed and it is interesting to compare them with the US
Project D. Note that on the same tonnage the Japanese ships purport to carry more guns, thicker
armor and more speed. Were they able to suspend the laws of physics?
Displacement main guns spd armor
E 46,400 12-16” (3x4) 30 12” belt, 4.5” deck
F 48,400 12-16” (2x4,2x2) 30 12” belt, 4.5” deck
H 50,600 14-16” (3x4,1x2) 30 12” belt, 4.5” deck
I 54,000 16-16” (4x4) 30 12” belt, 4.5” deck
K 49,000 8-18” (4x2) 30 12” belt, 4.5” deck
L 56,500 10-18” (5x2) 30 12” belt, 4.5” deck
M 57,200 12-18” (4x3) 30 12” belt, 4.5” deck
Sketches by Jentshura and Beyer (too much beam, both superstructures are too high) are similar
showing them with the classical pagoda structure and a single, fat, trunked, raked funnel. It
appears that Hiraga’s pupil, Shizuo Fukui, made the initial sketches of #13 after WWII. One
immediate issue is that the previous two classes with 19 boilers had two funnels; tremendous
trunking would be necessary to carry 22 boilers to a single funnel. More detailed sketches of
design H show two funnels like AMAGI and KII. The model maker’s dilemma is that if the
model does not meet what is accepted to be the truth, it is rejected regardless of objective reality.
Therefore this model has a single funnel but this model maker believes they would have had two.
Scheduled to be finished by 1927, they had the same strengths and weaknesses as the other 8-8
ships. The main battery was actually the Type 5 (5 Nen Shiki) 48cm (18.9”)/45 gun firing a 3410
lb shell propelled by a 750 lb powder charge. The reported muzzle velocity is suspect since it
was higher than the Yamato 18.1” yet fired a heavier shell with a smaller powder charge. This
‘36cm’ gun was tested in November and December, 1920 at the Kamegakubi proving grounds,
was damaged but was later used in November 1935 to test the armor scheme of the A140
(Yamato) designs. Given the armor thicknesses in the sketches noted above, the oft quoted 13”
belt/5” deck are suspect. Fast due to their length and narrow beam, well armed and relatively
well armored, they would have sparked a reaction from the US that must have included either the
Tillman, BB1923 or, more probably, Project D which had the armor, armament and speed
necessary to successfully engage them.
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Displacement 47,500 tons
Length 900’
Width 101’
Draft 31’
Speed 30 knots on 150,000 SHP
Armament 8-18.9”/45 (4x2)
16-5.5”/50 (16x1)
4-3”/50 AA
8-24” TT
Armor belt: 13” inclined at 15º
Deck: 5”
Turrets: 14” face
It is interesting to conjecture exactly what the building schedule for all the 8-8 fleet would be
considering that only four building slips were available (Compare this with the US which had 13
capital ships on the construction ways simultaneously). Italicized are conjectured. It would take
at least 18 months after launching to commissioning. It seems impossible that #13-16 would have
been able to be completed as early as 1927. The earthquake of 1923 would have destroyed KII
on the slip and possibly accumulated equipment for #13..
Kure Nagasaki Kobe Yokosuka laid down launched
Nagato 11.28.17 11.9.19
Mutsu 6.1.18 5.31.20
Tosa 2.16.20 2.11.21
Kaga 7.19.20 12.11.21
Amagi 12.6.20 12.22
Akagi 12.6.20 12.22
Atago 11.22.21 11.23
Takao 12.19.21 12.23
Kii 12.22 12.24
Owarii 12.22 12.24
#11 11..23 11.25
#12 12.23 12.25
#13 12.24 12.26
#14 12.24 12.26
#15 12.25 12.27
#16 11.25 11.27
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J114 BB Fujimoto
J115 BB Hiraga
J114 J115
Displacement 35,000 tons 35,000 tons
Length 762’ 761’
Width 105’ 105’
Draft 28’ 29’
Speed 26 knots 26 knots
Armament 9-16” (3x3) 10-16” (2x3, 2x2)
12-6”/60 (6x2) 16-6”/60 (4x2, 8x1)
8-4.7” (4x2) 8-4.47” (4x2)
These preliminary designs of 1931 have been described as weird and ugly without much thought
placed behind the genesis of their design. Hiraga (Nagato, Tosa, Amagi, Yubari, Furutaka) was
the foremost Japanese designer with Fujimoto (Takao, Mogami, Amagiri, Hatsuharu) his
assistant and later chief designer. Like their American and British counterparts restricted by the
WNT, they needed to design ships to meet the 35,000-ton treaty limit yet try to gain some
superiority over their potential opponents. They needed to maintain 26 knots for compatibility
with the Nagato and Kongo. A Tosa -sized hull was chosen which meant that 4,000 tons needed
to be pared from the design. In both cases this was accomplished by using fewer turrets and a
shorter armored citadel, the same approach as Yamato. With roughly the same speed and
armament as the contemporary North Carolina or KGV, their armor would be limited to perhaps
the 11” inclined belt of the Tosa with a 4” deck. They would have also been overweight as were
the Japanese cruisers.
Japanese plans of May 1929 called for four replacement 35,000-ton battleships which would be
effective in 1931. The 1930 London Treaty extended the battleship moratorium 5 more years
until 1936. Only sketch designs of these ships are available, no “spring style” plans exist that
would give us a better idea of their looks. The Superior models are predicated on the FUJIMOTO
and Hiraga layouts with the beauty and symmetry that characterized their cruisers and
battleships. Both have the Yamato style tower with Hiraga having the swept style funnel that
characterized the first rebuild of the Nagato. The Hiraga layout is triples over twins like
Pensacola and the 14” Lexington, reflecting the fineness of the hull both forward and aft. Both
ships have very limited waterline protection meaning the ends are excessively ‘soft’, particularly
against shell fire. The narrow hulls would have also had less torpedo protection than the much
wider Yamato. Both ships would have been improved if they deleted the 6” guns and added two
more twin 5”/40s abreast the superstructure.
These ships represent a very viable alternative for the Japanese navy. Since these ships retain the
35,000-ton limit, it also means that the existing 14” guns remain viable weapons. By keeping the
treaty in force, the Japanese could have built a larger, more diverse battle force. There would
have been no Yamato, Iowa, H or Lion classes if the Japanese had not abrogated the treaty. By
December 1941 over 180,000 tons of material had been built into Yamato, Musashi, Shinano and
111. The same expense could be invested in at least 4 of these ships plus two ‘Japanese
Vanguard’s, an improved Kongo using the FUSO and ISE turrets, would have been a viable
capital ship. A strong case can be made that by the following years, a battleline would be
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1941, December
4 Kongo
2 iFUSO (rebuilt with 4x2 14”)
2 iISE (rebuilt with 4x2 14”)
2 Nagato
4 Hiraga /FUJIMOTO
1942, August
2 Improved Kongo (‘Japanese Vanguard’)
1944, December
4 additional Hiraga /FUJIMOTO
This gives a battle line of ten 26 knot/16” battleships and ten 30 knot/14” gunned escorts for the
carriers without the need to build the six 33 knot ships (B65) that were not scheduled to complete
beginning in 1945 at the earliest. The pessimistic US estimates in December 1941 of 4 new
battleships completed, four nearing completion and 4 more on order would not have been far off
the mark if smaller ships were built. Which is the better choice?
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J109 Super YAMATO
The original design for the successors to the Yamato called for 8 or 9-20” main guns and a speed
exceeding 30 knots. Calculations indicated that these ships would have exceeded 90,000 tons,
which was too large and expensive to build. Still desiring to keep individual ship superiority, the
Japanese revised the plans to produce an upgraded Yamato. Design A150 was completed in 1941
and hulls 798 and 799 were ordered as part of the 1942 program. Midway brought a halt to these
ships before they could be laid down. 798 would have been laid down after Shinano (Yokosuka)
was launched and 799 after 111 (Yamato class, 30% completed) was launched at Kure. 111 was
being built on the Yamato’s vacated building slip.
The Japanese had constructed a 48cm gun in 1920 and a 51cm gun was being built at Kure before
the program was halted. The barrel would have been 75 feet long, the longest single barreled gun
ever built. Shell weight would have been approximately 4290 lbs compared to 3240 for the 18.1”
gun and required a staggering 1,056lb powder charge. A significant issue with this ship would
have been a 1-minute interval between salvos and only 6 shells in a pattern. The ‘fatter’ pattern
and more numerous guns of the US battleships would have stood an early shot at hitting critical
fire control areas eliminating the super Yamato as an effective fighting unit.
There is some question about whether or not the two 6” turrets would have been mounted.
Lengthening the superstructure would have provided additional space for AA guns. The general
trend for Japanese battleships was to carry some defense against cruisers and destroyers and the
3.9” gun would have been inadequate for this task. The 3.9” guns, as mounted on the Terutsuki,
would have provided better AA fire than the standard 5”/40 mounted on other Japanese ships.
The 3.9” had twice the rate of fire and a ceiling of 42,000 feet but a relatively short barrel life of
350 rounds. The short citadel would have precluded mounting more than 20 guns in twin mounts.
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Despite conjecture of double plated belts, armor could not have been significantly different than
Yamato on the same size hull. Nevertheless, these would have been powerful ships and a single
hit from the 4200 lb projectile would have pierced anything built or planned. Replacing the twin
20” turrets with triple 18.1” turrets on this model will also give you the Shinano and 111
configurations with 3.9” AA.
Displacement 64,000 tons
Length 863’
Width 127’
Draft 36’
Speed 27 knots
Armament 6-20”/45 (3x2)
6-6.1”/60 (2x3)
20-3.9” AA (10x2)
numerous 25mm AA
Armor belt: 16” inclined at 20º
Deck: 8”
Turrets: 25” face
J111 A140/A
This was one of the earliest Yamato designs completed on 4/1/35. It featured mixed diesel/steam
propulsion to extend the endurance to 9,200 miles (Yamato was only 7,200). The main armament
was located entirely forward of the superstructure with the entire secondary armament located
abaft the superstructure. This main armament arrangement was embraced in 16 of the 24
preliminary designs. Fukuda was responsible for 8 designs in the A, B and C series. All were too
large which lead to the J (16”), K (8-18”, 9-6”), G (low displacement and speed) and F (Yamato)
series. The 18”/50 was too heavy so all designs featured the 45 caliber rifles. This ship provides
the speed necessary to escort your carriers and evade the American and British 35,000 tonners.
This model is faithful to the design of the Yamato herself and not the sketch designs which
formed preliminary estimates.
Displacement 68,000 tons
Length 935’
Width 132’
Draft 34’
Speed 30 knots on 200,000 SHP
Armament 9-18”/45 (3x3)
12-6.1”/60 (4x3)
12-5” (6x2)
Armor immune zone 20,000 to 27,000 meters against 18.1 shells
J112 A140/A2 with 18”
J113 A140/B2 with 20” guns
This Yamato predecessor (J112) had 8-18” guns equally mounted fore and aft on the same size
hull as the A140/A. This configuration had the secondary armament located aft between the main
battery and the superstructure. This maximized protection to the armament and resolved issues
of trying to fit magazines in the machinery spaces. It too featured mixed diesel/steam propulsion
to extend the endurance to 9,200 miles and provided sufficient space for 30 knot machinery.
Design A140/J3 substituted triple 16” for the twin 18”, reminiscent of the Montana. Once again,
this model is faithful to the armament layout and the Yamato’s beautiful lines as built.
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With J113, the armament and superstructure have a “typical” A-A-O-A-A arrangement. Unless a
much larger ship was built, the 20” version must give up engineering space and weight to
accommodate the fourth turret. This provides the armament necessary to engage the heavy US
battleships with some chance of success. It is interesting to note that the US “Maximum
Battleship” design of 1934 mounted 8-20” guns on a 66,000 ton hull capable of transiting the
Panama Canal. To increase speed on the US ship from 25 to 30 knots required a fuller hull of
72,500 tons, duplicating a similar problem with which the Japanese had already wrestled. The
downside of either US or Japanese ships of this side would be the lack of armor to resist a 20”
shell.
J112 J113
Displacement 68,000 tons 70,000 tons
Length 935’ 935’
Width 132’ 132’
Draft 34’ 34’
Speed 30 knots on 200,000 SHP 27 knots
Armament 8-18”/45 (4x2) 8-20”/45
12-6.1”/60 (4x3) 12-6.1”/60 (4x3)
12-5” (6x2) 12-5” (6x2)
Armor immune zone 20,000 to 27,000 meters against 18.1 shells
J202 B-65 (Projects 795-796)
These ships grew out of the ‘battlecruiser gap’ of the late 1930s paralleling the ‘bomber’ gap and
the ‘missile’ gaps of the 1950s and 1960s. Justification for these ships was based on the Alaska
class. Interestingly enough, the Alaskas were being justified based on ‘knowledge’ that the
Japanese were building large cruisers!
Passage of the ‘Two Ocean Navy Programs’ on June 14, 1940 and July 19,1940 prodded the
Japanese into advanced planning for building 28 new cruisers of various sizes by 1950. The
Alaskas were intended to operate with the carriers and provide protection against any raiding 8”
cruisers for which they were well designed. The Japanese plans were to use a special Night
Battle Force comprised of four Class A cruiser squadrons (fifteen-8” gunned cruisers), three
torpedo cruisers (KITIKAMIs), and 62 destroyers supported by the four Kongos to launch a
devastating torpedo attack against the US battle force. The remaining US ships would be
attacked in daylight by Japanese battleships, midget submarines launched from the MIZUHOs
and by the cruiser (junsen) and fleet (kaidai) submarines.
The Kongos were to be replaced by Super A cruisers with preliminary designs finished in
September 1940. Two were to be built under the ‘Circle 5’ program and four under the ‘Circle 6’
program of January 1941. The two ‘Circle 5s’ were to be laid down at Kure following each other
in the same building slip with completion in 1945 and 1946. More urgent work occupied the
planning staffs as they geared up for war and ‘Circle 6’ was cancelled along with most of the
Super As.
General appearance would have been similar to the Yamato with an undulating deck, swept
funnel, tower foremast and three main turrets. The 12.2” gun fired a 1265 lb shell to a range of
36,000 yards. Four of the superb 3.9” turrets would have been mounted on each side of the main
deck forward of the catapult. Eight 24” torpedo tubes in quadruple mounts completed her
armament. There was some thought to replacing the triple 12.2” turrets with twin 14” turrets but
this would have required additional load balancing for which there was neither staff nor time.
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Displacement 31,400/34,447 tons std/full load
Length 808’
Width 89’
Draft 29’
Speed 34 knots
Armament 9-12.2”/50 (3x3)
16-3.9” AA (8x2)
numerous 25mm AA
8-24” TT (2x4)
Armor belt: 7.5” inclined at 20º (9.5” equivalent with an immune zone of 22,000 to
33,000 yards against a 12” shell)
Deck: 5” (resist a 2200 lb bomb)
Turrets: unknown
J203 Japanese VANGUARD (i-KONGO)
J204 i-FUSO
J205 i-ISE
Some have postulated that a superior Japanese plan would have removed the turrets from the ISE
and/or FUSO class and create 6 fast battleships with 8-14”guns (ala Vanguard). This could be
done by completely scrapping the ISE and FUSO’s or removing their midships turrets and adding
extra boilers to add a few knots to their speed. The midships turrets could then be mounted in i-
Kongo. For the alternate history buff, either is a reasonable choice.
Both ISE and FUSO, as rebuilt, are 30 feet shorter than the Kongo. Removal of the midships
turrets would create the space needed for the 152,000 shp plant found in the Mogami cruisers.
This is identical to the replacement of KAGA’s original two forward engine rooms generating
45,500 shp with two Mogami units generating 76,000shp. The smaller engine rooms of the ISE
and FUSO would have required gaining space by removing the central turrets. Removing the
heavy turrets and barbettes would have allowed increased deck armor. Finally, their drafts would
have not increased 3 feet, keeping their original belt and deck armor at optimum height. Both
would have had cruiser type aircraft handling arrangements similar to the latest heavy cruisers.
The major problem is that FUSO and YAMASHIRO were rebuilt from 1930-33 which would
have been too early to lay down the i-Kongo. This refit is when the original engines and boilers
were replaced and marks the appropriate but awkward time to save the turrets for the i-Kongo.
ISE and HYUGA were rebuilt from 1934-1937 and this is the perfect time to remove the turrets
and build an i-Kongo.
The combination of heavy shells, the formidable torpedoes and the excellent 3.9” AA guns would
have made a superb ship for supporting the carrier forces and striking US forces in the contested
islands. This approach was the US vision of a Pacific war, fast gunships with mutually
supporting carriers and light forces striking deep and with overwhelming strength.
Unfortunately for the Japanese, their flawed vision was that the cruiser and carrier forces would
be used in attrition against the US and the Japanese battleline would prove the coupe-de-grace in
the ‘decisive battle’. Hence the various building plans calling for individual ship superiority.
This is a slightly reconfigured B65 with an additional turret aft. The aft hull would be fuller and
these ships would have weighed 2000 tons more that then B65. The engineering space is more
than sufficient for the 152,000 SHP engines of the heavy cruisers if sufficient hull length is not
available for the 170,000 SHP engines designed; this should be sufficient for 32 knots. A
significant advantage of the Vanguard was that the 15” shell is 25% larger than the Japanese 14”
and better able to stand against the 16” gunned ships of her potential adversaries.
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iKONGO (J203) iFUSO (J204) iISE (J205)
Displacement 35.000 tons std 34,700 35,350
Length 808’ 698’ 700’
Width 89’ 108’ 104’
Draft 30’ 32’ 30’
Speed 33 knots 30 knots 30 knots
Armament 8-14”/45 (4x2) 8-14”/45 (4x2) 8-14”/45 (4x2)
16-3.9” AA (8x2) 14-6” (14x1) 16-5.5” (16x1)
numerous 25mm AA 12-5”/40 (6x2) 8-5”/40 (4x2)
8-24” TT (2x4)
Armor belt: 7.5” (1) 12” 12”
Deck: 5” (2) 6” 6”
Turrets: 12” 12” 12”
(1) inclined at 20º (9.5” equivalent with an immune zone of 22,000 to 33,000 yards
against a 12” shell)
(2) resists a 2200 lb shell
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J410 AGANO, J411, Improved AGANO, J412 CLAA, J310 IBUKI, J413 TENRYU AA
The abrogation of the WNT proved to be disastrous for Japanese strategy and for cruiser
development. Their innovative mindset went from using superior torpedo technology (Long
Lance) and delivery systems (cruisers, destroyers and the torpedo cruisers) to investing in the
Yamato class battleships. For every ton of battleship that is not built, you can build a ton of
something else. This tradeoff can be successfully reflected in wargame campaigns to build a
formidable fleet without the Yamato and keep within the treaties. This also prevents the US,
Britain and France from building large battleships.
✓ The old light cruisers didn’t have the speed to keep up with the new 35 knot destroyers
resulting in the Agano (C-39) class.
✓ The new SHIMAKAZE DDs (15 TT!) were capable of 39 knots requiring an improved
Agano (C-44) as a flagship (p.607 LaCroix).
✓ In December 1942, the IBUKI design was modified to have her aircraft facilities removed
and replaced with five quintuple TT mounts, one on the centerline, reflecting the recent
successes at Guadalcanal (LaCroix p. 545).
✓ The KITIKAMI original design (noted here) reflects an excellent repurposing of an older
platform to deliver an overwhelming number of torpedoes plus capabilities as an AA cruiser.
However, they did not have enough money or capability to build all the TT or 5”/40 guns for
the cruisers! Thirty 4x24” TT mounts were required for KITIKAMI, OI and KISO and only
20 mounts were available. There were insufficient 2x5” mounts to upgrade the heavy
cruisers so there were none for the torpedo cruiser conversions.
✓ The Japanese also had plans to convert the TENRYU and TATSUTA to AA cruisers similar
to the British C class. The 21 ton single 5.5” mounts would be replaced with the 20 ton twin
5” mounts. While not planned, there is sufficient weight to replace the two 3x21” TT with a
Mk 92 4x24” TT mount. If so desired, you can remove it from the model.
✓ Finally, the Japanese planned to develop a dedicated AA cruiser either modifying the
improved Agano hull with 24-3.9” or later proposing a 5,800 ton ship (V-18) with only 8-
3.9”. This is the same size as the KATORI training cruisers and were no better armed than
the TERUTSUKI class AA destroyers making it difficult to understand why it was proposed.
✓ It should be noted that another possibility is to replace the aircraft arrangements of the Oyodo
with a third 3x6.1” turret (There are a total of 20 available from the Mogami’s) giving the
Japanese an alternative CL design with 9-6.1” and high speed. There is no record that this
was considered but it would have save considerable development time and less cost over the
improved Agano.
AGANO iAGANO IBUKI CLAA KITIKAMI TENRYU
Displacement 6,700 tons 8,520 12,200 8,500 5,500 3,200 tons
Length 572’ 613’ 658’ 613’ 535’ 468’
Width 50’ 50’ 63’ 50’ 55’ 41’
Draft 19’ 19’ 20’ 19’ 16’ 13’
Speed 35 knots 37.5 knots 35 knots 35 knots 31 knots 31 knots
Armament 6-6”/ (3x2) 8-6”/ (4x2) 10-8” (5x2) 24-3.9” 8-5” DP (4x2) 8-5” DP
4-3” (2x2) 8-3” (4x2) 8-5” (4x2)
8-24” TT 8-24” TT 25-24” TT 44-24” TT (11x4) 4-24”TT
Armor belt: 2”same 2” 4” 2” 2”
Deck: 1” 1” 1.5” 1” 1”
Turrets: 1” 1” 1”
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Here is an alternative Pacific Campaign for the Japanese campaigner:
1. Do not abrogate the Washington treaty with respect to size limits. No Iowas to catch
your Kongos! However, you exercise your right to build as many ships as you want.
2. Remember that battleships were still being thought of as the ultimate weapon so your
building program will reflect that.
3. Modify the 1937 3rd Replacement Program.
4. Do not build the Yamato and Musashi and you also don’t need the KASHINO saving
140,000 tons
5. Build 4 Hiraga 1937 -1941 using the weight saved.
6. Build 2 SHOKAKU 1937-1941 as planned
7. Modify the 1939 4th Replacement Program.
8. Save 128,000 tons by not laying down the Shinano and 111.
9. Build the 1 TAIHO, 4 Aganos and two Oyodos as planned.
10. Lay down 2 Hiraga expending 70,000 tons. They will have been launched before the
Midway debacle and could be completed as carriers, if desired, around the same time as
TAIHO. You have plenty of carriers for the Philippine Sea but still have a dearth of
pilots.
11. Lay down 4 IBUKI instead of two expending an additional 25,000 tons
12. Build 11 additional SHIMAKAZE DDs to give a total of 12 (28,000 tons) headed by 1 i
Agano (8,500 tons). This consumes the SHINANO/111 savings.
13. Convert the two TENRYU’s as planned to AA cruisers by replacing the 4x5.5” with 4x2
5”/40 DP and install four 24” TT.
14. Convert 5 KITIKAMI to torpedo cruisers having 7x4 TT and 4x2 5”/40 DP. This AA
armament was originally planned along with 11x4 TT with one mount on the stern. In
this variant, you put 5 CLTT at sea with 35x4 TT instead of 3 CLTT with 30x4 TT. They
are less weight dependent, have a significant AA capability, can carry torpedo reloads
and by not building the Yamatos you have enough manufacturing capability to complete
this program. This is similar to KITIKAMI being re-armed with 24 TT and 2x2 5”/40s
later in the war.
15.
This gives the Japanese 14 BBs to start the war, matching what the US can use in the Pacific.
The 18 treaty cruisers plus 4 IBUKIs are stronger than the 18 US heavy cruisers, the 21 CLs less
capable than the US 19 CLs but the 5 CLTT are an equalizer. This building plan is well within
Japanese capabilities if the Yamatos are not built. As an alternative, you can create the iFUSO
and iISE to create 4 i-Kongos saving even more weight to add another squadron of
SHIMAKAZEs led by an additional improved Agano.
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Russia and the Soviet Union
R203 BORODINO
All four of these powerful battle cruisers were launched in 1915 or 1916 but were not completed
due to other pressing needs in WWI. After the war, several suggestions were made to complete
them (increased armament by replacing 12x14” with 8 or 10x16”, an aircraft carrier, an oil barge,
passenger liners) but all came to naught and they were scrapped.
Thirty percent larger than the preceding GANGUT, they mounted 12x14” guns in triple turrets in
the same linear arrangement as other Russian WWI battleships. No turrets were superfiring but A
turret was mounted a deck higher on the increased forecastle. This was necessary for the ships to
maintain their high speed (designed for 26.5 knots)
Armor arrangements were similar to other Russian designs with thinner armor covering a larger
portion of the ship. This was a response to damage inflicted by the Japanese in the Russo-
Japanese War and was felt that a small hole in the armor was better than thinner or unprotected
areas blown out by shells. This was in sharp contrast to the US ‘all or nothing’ approach without
any true historical evidence which is better in combat.
Underwater protection was weak with a thin anti torpedo bulkhead and inadequate space to
contain a torpedo explosion. More dangerous was the storage of secondary ammunition against
that torpedo bulkhead which caused the loss of several ship in WWI when the torpedo detonated
the ammunition and blew out the bottom of the ship.
The Soviets considered completion of these ships while the rest of the world was building ships
50% bigger armed with 16” guns. They were considered obsolete and cancelled 3 days before the
Washington treaty was signed. This was unfortunate because they would have been fast,
powerful ships of roughly the same size allowed by the other nations.
Displacement 32, 500 tons std
Length 730’
Width 100’
Draft 29’
Speed 26.5 knots (66,000 SHP)
Armament 12-14”/52 (4x3)
24x5.1/55 (24x1)
4-2.5” AA
Armor belt: 9.3”
Deck: 3.8” total
Turrets 12”
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R102 Gibbs & Cox D
Displacement 45,000 tons std
Length 845’
Width 113’
Draft 33’
Speed 31 knots (200,000 SHP on 4 shafts)
Armament 10-16”/45 (2x3, 1x4)
20-5” DP (10x2)
16-1.1” (4x4) AA
Armor belt: 13” inclined at 15°
Deck/splinter: 5”/1.75
Turrets 16”
CT 15”
This was the final conventional study done with the request of American assistance. An
extensive and excellent chapter on this ship appears in the book Russian and Soviet Battleships by
Stephen McLaughlin. The statement on p.371 that “no sketches survive of this design” is no
longer true. This author has the original G&C plans, will publish them in Warship International
and then donate to the USNI as part of the Robert F Sumrall collection.
The Soviets first started seeking American assistance with armor in May 1936. The US Navy
was generally apathetic to the Soviet proposal, even though the Soviets wanted to build at least
one ship in the US. Bethlehem was willing to build the ship but the Navy was unwilling to
approve ships that incorporated the latest thinking in US designs. The Soviets next approached
Gibbs & Cox in August 1937. By this time, political pressure from Navy Secretary Edison
backed by President Roosevelt limited Navy objections. Gibbs initial design was a massive
hybrid that combined either 8-18” or 12-16” guns in four turrets with central aircraft carrier
hangers and islands to carry up to 36 planes. This 62,000-ton design would not be legal under the
Washington Naval Treaty even with the escalator clause raising the limit to 45,000 tons. The
Russians were surprised because they asked for a 35,000-ton battleship, not this monster.
The following pictures chronicle the building of the master.
The after quadruple turret with
the guns mounted in pairs.
Cross section of the
forward superstructure
We start with the hull, the most difficult part of the ship due to multiple curves.
If possible, we use an existing hull and modify it. Each of the superstructure
pieces is cut from brass. These pieces will be shaped with a file, soldered
together and then glued to the hull or cast separately. Note that we already
have built and cast the quadrapod mast.
The after deck section has been attached to the hull and epoxy used to
fill out the rounded stern. More work is necessary to shape the forward
hull. Superstructure parts are shaped except for multiple levels that
have a common and layered shape.
If deck levels have
common shapes, only
one layer is finished.
The others are soldered
to the master layer and
the excess material filed
off so that all levels are
flush.
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Gibbs and Cox Design D Profile
R101 Sovetskii Soyuz
Displacement 59,150 tons std
Length 889’
Width 127’
Draft 33’
Speed 29 knots (220,000 SHP on 3/4 shafts)
Armament 9-16”/50 (3x3)
12-6” (6x2)
12-3.9” AA
40-37mm (10x4) AA
Armor belt: 16.7” inclined at 8°
Deck: 8.9” total (1” main, 6” armor, 2” splinter)
Turrets 19”
CT 16.7”
The penultimate of the Russian battleships, four were authorized on 1/21/1938. Laid down prior
to the war, the two building at Molotovsk near Archangel were not well advanced. SOYUZ
(Leningrad, hull construction completed) and UKRAINA (Nikolayev, 75% ready for launching)
were suspended in 1940 to transfer resources to other industrial construction. Turrets for the
Soyuz were completed but only one gun which was fired at the Germans throughout the war.
Heavily influenced by Italian technology transfer, the armor was inclined with a 2.5” decapping
plate on the outer hull. Underwater protection by the Pugliese system would withstand 3 torpedo
hits. Despite the official models showing round funnels, every other Russian destroyer, cruiser
and battlecruiser had sleek, swept, elegant funnels which is what is depicted on this model. There
is some disagreement about the propulsion plant. Other Russian plants were limited to about
55,000 hp/shaft, if only three shafts were to be installed, insufficient power would be available to
make 29 knots; 27 knots would have been more likely. If 70,000 shp were truly available as
planned, this would match the output of the US super carriers. The wide hull at the bow that
provided good torpedo protection also reduced her speed. Well-balanced designs, only the
Montana had a clear edge over these ships.
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R103 Project 24, Variant XIII
Displacement 72,950 tons std
Length 925’
Width 132’
Draft 38’
Speed 30 knots (280,000 SHP on 4 shafts)
Armament 9-16”/50 (3x3)
16-5”/58 (8x2)
48-45mm (12x4) AA
48-25mm (12x4)
Armor belt: 16/17.7” (machinery/magazine). inclined at 20°
Deck: 9.6” total (2.4” upper, 6.5” middle, 0.8” splinter)
Turrets 20”
CT 20”
Preliminary designs for a successor to the Sovetskii Soyuz began in 1939 and was completely
interrupted by WWII. Post war designs were framed by the misinformation about the Iowa (19”
belt, 35 knots) and the completion of the Vanguard and Jean Bart. The size of the Montana was
well known and these ships were intended to be superior to her. The original requirements in
1945 were to complete 10 new 75,000 ton battleships in the next 10 years.
Project 24 was 60% larger than the Iowa and 20% larger than Montana. Compared to the
Montana, these ships were beamier, slightly faster, had superior protection and an improved
secondary battery arrangement at the cost of one less main turret. A reduced (6”) armor belt was
extended forward to the capstans and then reduced to 2” to the bow to provide very complete
splinter protection to the waterline. A 6” upper belt similar to Bismarck protected the upper hull
up to the main deck. The 16” guns were the same as the Sovetskii Soyuz and the 5”/58 were the
same new model as STALINGRAD.
These ships superstructure resembled the contemporary STALINGRAD’s. The bow’s
exaggerated sheer and flare were adopted to improve seaworthiness. Compared to the
STALINGRAD, the machinery was arranged in the ‘unit’ system similar to US ships with each
compartment containing 3 boilers, an engine and two turbo-generators. This ‘unit’ was further
divided longitudinally into three separate compartments to provide extensive anti-torpedo
protection. This allowed the machinery to take up less hull length than the narrower
STALINGRAD. It would also mean that the massive funnels would be placed closer together
than the STALINGRAD. Emergency diesel generators were mounted forward and aft outside the
machinery spaces. Taking a cue from the captured German aircraft carrier GRAF ZEPPELIN,
two retractable propellers were located by the forward diesel generators to provide emergency
propulsion.
The last real battleships designed by any country, these would have been formidable warships
outclassing all other ships existing in other navies.
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R201 Kronshtadt
This design originated in the mid-1930s capable of destroying 10,000-ton ‘treaty cruisers’ built
under the Washington Treaty limitations, to which the Soviets were not a signatory. The ships
grew during the design process, expanding from 10” to 12” guns. After numerous starts and stops
including the purging of some of the design team, Project 69 was approved with 9x10” guns on
23,000 tons. By mid 1938, the German Scharnhorst characteristics were becoming known and
they would be superior to Project 69. The design was revised to the final dimensions and
approved in 1939. They were to outgun the Scharnhorst and outrun the Bismarck.
Armor was designed to be proof against the German 11” shell and an 1100 lb bomb. The
underwater protection was the American-type multiple bulkheads intended to withstand a 1,100lb
warhead. It was particularly narrow abreast of the forward and after turrets which was a problem
for most capital ships. Under the Soviet-Nazi agreement of 1939, Stalin asked for the German
11” turrets and guns because the Soviet guns and turrets were well behind schedule. Since the
3x11” turrets were out of production, Stalin then asked for the twin 15” Bismarck turrets. Krupp
had six incomplete turrets that were going to rearm the GNEISNAU and SCHARNORST and a
preliminary purchase agreement was made. The Germans deliberately stalled deliveries on these
and many other items until the invasion on 6/22/41.
Installing the 15” twin turrets would not have been easy. Pictures of the KRONSHTADT show that
the barbettes were not installed pending the decision on what size turret would be used. The 15”
turrets required a larger and taller barbette meaning that superstructure line of sight was affected
and used more electricity than the original 12” turrets. This meant changes to the turbo
generators and the final impact was adding 1000 tons to the weight of the ships.
KRONSHTADT was built in Leningrad and was 11% complete when the Germans invaded. Her
building slip was too short for her entire length so her stern was built separately. After the war it
was considered converting her to an aircraft carrier but she was scrapped from 1947-1948.
Sevastopol was built in Nikolayev and was 12% complete when captured by the Germans in late
1941. Partially dismantled for material, the Germans damaged her building slip and hull with
explosives when the evacuated the city. She too was finished scrapping in 1948.
It is difficult to understand where the weight was consumed compared to the Alaska which has
comparable speed, firepower and armor on 7,000 tons less displacement.
Displacement 35,240 tons std
Length 813’
Width 103’
Draft 28’
Speed 32 knots (165,000 SHP on 3 shafts)
Armament 9-12”/56 (3x3) or 6-15”/47 (3x2)
8-6”/50 (4x2)
8-3.9” AA
Armor belt: 9” inclined at 15°
Deck: 3.5”
Turrets 12”
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R202 Stalingrad
Displacement 38,540 tons std
Length 897’
Width 105’
Draft 30’
Speed 35 knots (280,000 SHP on 4 shafts)
Armament 9-12”/62 (3x3)
12-5.1” DP (6x2)
24-45mm (6x4) AA
40-25mm (10x4)
Armor belt: 7” inclined at 15°
Deck: 4”
Turrets 9.5”
CT 8”
There is an excellent article on these ships in Warship 2006 by Stephen McLaughlin. The
following information is a summary from that publication.
Successors to the ill-fated KRONSHTADTs of WWII, these were pet projects of Stalin. Classic
examples of project mis-management (this writer is a PMP), the designs had to be approved by
every technical and political bureau in the Soviet Union resulting in their never being completed.
Despite Admiral Kuznetsov wanting to construct heavy cruisers with 9” guns, Stalin held out for
12” guns and wanted 35 knots to outpace the Iowas. It was intended that these ships form part of
a mix of coastal naval and air forces to disrupt the American carrier battle groups to prevent them
from launching atomic weapons against the USSR. In the words of historian Vitallii
Kostrichenko, “These cruisers were capable only of a prolonged and heroic loss….These ships
could not have resisted attacks by dozens, or indeed hundreds of aircraft from enemy aircraft
carriers, and they would have been sunk.”
These ships originally had a superstructure similar to 24-XIII with fewer AA guns but the same
5” layout. After they were substantially designed, Stalin demanded that the speed be increased to
outrun an Iowa. The only way to add the necessary boiler space was to redesign the stern
superstructure eliminating the rangefinders and secondary armament with their attendant
magazines. Machinery was arranged in echelon with alternating boilers and engines extending
into the previous aft 5” magazines since the ship lacked the width to place them together as in
Project 24. This was a 280,000 shp power plant, the same as Project 24 and similar to the much
larger US super carriers. Armor was less than the smaller Alaska but she had a complete set of
torpedo bulkheads against 500 kg warheads. Design started in 1946 with her being laid down in
November, 1951. 19% complete (43% planned) at Stalin’s death in March 1953, the center
section of the hull was launched and used for ordnance trials being finally dismantled in 1962.
Two sisters were scrapped on the ways.
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Now that you have reviewed these possible additions to your fleets, let’s look at some
possibilities of fleets being constructed of different ships than historically chosen.
1. Washington Treaty signed, Japan still resigns effective 1936. Different ships are built than
were historically chosen.
This is the most likely scenario because it involves the fewest political changes.
• The British build two F3 and five 15B instead of Nelsons and KGVs giving them ten 15”
ships capable of at least 28 knots (Renown, Repulse, Hood, two F3, Five 15B).
• The US builds Admiral Pratt’s battlecruisers using the triple turrets from the Arizona’s and
Nevada’s. The battlecruisers are with the carriers on December 7 and the Arizona has not
exploded, the Oklahoma not turned turtle, the Nevada not beached. The leftover 2x14”
turrets are mounted in Oahu as shore defense batteries. With only four battleships in Pearl,
perhaps the Japanese concentrate on the fuel farms causing tremendous delay in the US
counterattack across the Central Pacific.
• The US builds four armored cruisers using the 12” guns of the Wyoming and Arkansas. They
are laid down in 1941 and finished at the end of 1943. With four battlecruisers and four
armored cruisers, the Alaskas are not necessary.
• The Germans build 3 Kreuzer P instead of 2 Scharnhorst and 3 more instead of the Hippers.
• Bismarck is the first true battleship built in Germany with 6 more replacing the too large H.
Perhaps if the Germans eliminate the upper 6” casemate, enough weight exists to mount 16”
guns.
• Japan builds some variant as outlined in the iKongo in addition to the Yamatos or they
embrace the building program outlined in the alternative Pacific campaign.
Winners: Britain, Germany, US, Japan, all receive more effective ships
Losers Britain, Kreuzer Ps prey on shipping despite the loss of one of them in Norway
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2. Washington Treaty signed, Charles Hughes accepts the initial reductions reluctantly
recommended by the General Board (GB)
A series of General Board memos and documents was generated in response to a request from
Hughes of September 1, 1921. Edwin Denby, Secretary of the Navy, responded, with many of
the subsequent memos coming from Admiral Richards. Analysis was extensive including
budgets, supply of raw material, quality of personnel, world markets, national policies, governing
traditions, naval strategies, fortifications, a history of naval policies since 1900, and the General
Board assumptions as to guidelines including protecting the US from any dangers in the proposed
treaty. Perhaps the most interesting comments pertinent to today are about ‘race dissimilarities
and relations’. It is astonishing how globally the GB thought, particularly recognizing ‘our days
of political isolation is over’ and ‘A nation must advance or retrocede in world position’. They
noted that their 3-year building program as a supplement to the 1916 program would give the US
‘A Navy second to none’ by 1924. The goal was to have a 2:1 ratio of capital ships with Japan.
The GB defended the completion of the 1916 building program and the particular value of the
battle cruiser. As such, it is bewildering that by October 10, 1921, the GB recommended, “2. (a)
Seven of the vessels already largely completed are to be continued, (because not only are they
better military units, but in addition such action is essentially economical as the upkeep of older
vessels is disproportionately great, and the cost of abrogating the construction contracts is
considerable). Vessels, on the other hand which have not been laid down, are eliminated.”(1)
Under paragraph 4, it calls for completion of the four Colorado and four of the South Dakota
class while scrapping Montana and Massachusetts and the six battlecruisers! Their view of naval
power by January 1, 1928 would be
US (23) British (34) Japanese (14) France (6) Italy (4)
4 SD 5 R. Sovereign 2 Tosa 3 Bretagne 2 Doria
4 CO 5 QE 2 Nagato 3 Courbet 2 Cavour
2 TN 4 Iron Duke 2 Ise
3 NM Agincourt* 2 Fuso
2 PA 3 KGV` 4 Kongo
2 NV 4 Centurion Settsu*
2 TX 3 Neptune* Aki*
2 AR Hood
2 FL* 2 Renown
Tiger
2 Lion
2 Australia*
731,000 tons 882,000 tons 440,000 tons
248 guns 292 guns 140 guns
A follow-up memo the very next day calls for the completion of all US battleships and
battlecruisers under construction plus the four “Super-Hoods” (G3 Invincible, assumed to be
43,000 tons) for the British and the Atago and Takao for the Japanese, essentially all ships with
keels laid or initial funding already spent on the ships as of Nov 11, 1921. The GB sought “a
fair, just, unbiased ratio of strength” and was adamant about completing the 1916 plan. The *
ships in the above table are likely candidates to be scrapped to reduce costs but maintain ratios.
A GB memo responding to Japanese concerns rejected the Japanese position that ships under
construction had no naval strength and should not be used to calculate the ‘sacrifice’ of each
nation, thus reflecting both the Japanese and British building situations and short-changing the
enormous cost and sacrifice to the US. A communication from the GB on Oct 21, 1921 rejected
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the proposal that all US ships not 100% completed or even less than 60% completed should be
scrapped. They wanted them all for good economic reasons. The total cost of the remaining 15
ships (Maryland was already complete) was $243m compared to the $332m already spent plus
the cost of scrapping of $60m. The $183m ‘saved’ would be offset by the $20m/year higher costs
of maintenance for the older ships. In addition, the new ships did not have to be replaced for 20
years.(1). Any ‘savings’ disappeared when the older ships would have to start to be replaced in ten
years. The issue with discontinued programs and ‘savings’ continues to this day.
Unlike other published measures of completion, given the money spent procuring material as well
as working it into the ship, the least advanced battle cruiser was the United States at 34% while
Lexington was considered 62% complete. Four of the Montanas were over 50% complete. The
GB considered Kaga and Tosa 66% completed and Amagi and Akagi 35% complete.
A key measure was that the Japanese had 49% of the US capital ship tonnage built or building
which played well to the US plan to have twice as many capital ships. This meant that a
concession to 60% for the Japanese was significant. The GB reluctantly settled on 1.6:1 instead
of 2:1, reflecting the 60%. All of these facts and possibilities were too much for Secretary of
State Hughes who bypassed their recommendation and stunned the assembly with his bold plan to
scrap virtually everything that the major powers were constructing.
In this scenario, four Lexington’s are substituted for Montana’s to give the US a fast ‘wing’.
US (20) British (21) Japanese (12) France (6) Italy (4)
4 Lexington 4 G3 Reduced 2 Tosa 3 Bretagne 2 Doria
4 CO Hood, 2 Nagato 3 Courbet 2 Cavour
2 TN 2 Renown 2 Ise
3 NM 5 QE, 2 Fuso
2 PA 5 R 4 Kongo
2 NV 4 Iron Duke
2 TX
1 AR
661,000 tons 666,000tons 397,000 tons
200 guns 176 guns 116 guns
Winners: US, Britain. US has eight 16”-gun-ships including the fastest in the world.
Without the Lexingtons in the battleline, they still have a clear superiority in the
number of guns over the Japanese. The British reduced G3s are no longer a
vastly superior vessel since they must combine a reduction in speed and armor or
revert to 15” guns. They are an improvement over the Nelson. The British could
create a powerful Pacific Squadron with the G3 and Hood. This would make the
US nervous because of the British and Japanese treaty meaning the US may have
to fight both nations on two oceans.
Loser: Japan! Their 8-4 fleet is outgunned by both the US and Britain with the four
Kongos unable to stand in the line of battle.
(1) Tables X and XI from G.B. 438, Serial No. 1088-O dated October 26, 1921
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3. Washington Treaty signed, General Board recommendations due to financial
considerations are accepted
The entire 1916 program is kept with the older ships scrapped. Concessions to the British are
four Super-Hoods and the Atago and Takao (interesting the GB didn’t name the Amagi and Akagi
already laid down) to the Japanese. The 5/5/3 ratio is kept with the British having more ships to
offset the US superiority in size. The US was willing to have fewer, larger ships than the British
because they thought them superior. (GB 438, Serial No. 1088-o, dated October 26, 1921,
attachment Table X, c) the armor of the United States ships is greater, being in general 16 and 18
inches as against 13 inches. e) The 14” guns of the United States are generally speaking equal to
the 15” of the British ships and outclass the 13.5” f) “Though the weight of metal thrown at a
broadside may be greater for British ships, the number of guns of the United States ships is
greater, and in the majority of cases the rate of fire should be greater.
The GB documents do not reflect any discussion about the advantage that the US had in having
thirteen building slips compared to Britain and Japan’s four each. While building yards are
required to replace lost units, the GB also does not comment on the loss of skilled labor with the
shutting down of the yards.
US (23) British (28) Japanese (14) France (6) Italy (4)
6 SD 5 R. Sovereign 2 Tosa 3 Bretagne 2 Doria
4 CO 5 QE 2 Nagato 3 Courbet 2 Cavour
2 TN 4 Iron Duke 2 Ise
3 NM Erin 2 Fuso
2 PA 3 KGV` 4 Kongo
6 Lexington 4 Super-Hood 2 Atago
Hood
2 Renown
Tiger
2 Lion
784,000 tons 824,000 tons 483,000 tons (tonnages are those listed in memos)
236 guns 240 guns 136 guns
Winners: US. The US keeps their entire 1916 fleet of 16 modern capital ships while the
British have only four G3s and Japan has 6 modern ships. The preponderance of
16” guns gives the US a significant advantage and she has met her goal of having
‘A Navy second to none’.
Loser: Japan! Their 8-6 fleet is outgunned by both the US and Britain with the four
Kongos unable to stand in the line of battle. The GB emphasis was to make sure
the US could prevent or win a war with Japan, “21…She will use every occasion
to advance when interested powers are engaged elsewhere, as in 1915, but will
yield when opposition is sufficiently powerful.”
Status Quo The British are now equal to their Colonial rivals. The GB noted under national
policies, “17. The Anglo-Japanese alliance is the most prominent political and
commercial alliance affecting interests in the Far East. The purpose of this
alliance of two racially and politically dissimilar nations is obscure and appears
antagonistic to interest of the other nations.” The GB noted of Great Britain,
“18. We are bound to Great Britain by laws, customs, a common ancestry and
literature, and similar ideals.” The fact that our navies worked closely together
in WWI and would work together in the future pointed us towards a partnership
and not a war with Great Britain.
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4. Washington Treaty signed, Japan argues and receive 70% or 5/5/3.5 ratio similar to the
cruiser ratio in the London Treaty in 1930
In this scenario, we follow the original US General Board recommendations in Scenario 2 but
substitute four Lexington’s for four South Dakota’s. Japan insists on keeping the Tosa’s since
they have been launched but do not get the Atago and Takao (Amagi and Akagi?). The US
restricts displacement to 43,000 tons meaning the British must build G3s reduced to 43,000 tons
which is an improvement over building the Nelsons at 34,000 tons. The Lexington’s provide a
fast wing capable of defeating the Kongos or the Hood. The remaining two Lexington’s become
carriers. Severe overall tonnage restrictions (originally the GB asked for 1 million tons for both
the US and Britain) eliminate older units. Fleets are as of 1927.
US (17) British (17) Japanese (12) France (6) Italy (4)
4 Lexington 4 G3 Reduced 2 Tosa 3 Bretagne 2 Doria
4 CO Hood, 2 Nagato 3 Courbet 2 Cavour
2 TN 2 Renown 2 Ise
3 NM 5 QE, 2 Fuso
2 PA 5 R 4 Kongo
2 NV
580k 580k 405k tonnage
168 guns 136 guns 116 guns
A significant issue is that for every 1000 miles that a fleet operated from it’s base, it was thought
to lose 10% effectiveness. If your fleet had to leave Hawaii and sail for 3000 miles to fight for
Eniwetok to create a forward base, it would lose 30% of its effectiveness meaning that 17
battleships would only be equal to 12 in fighting strength, which would be equal to that of Japan.
This is why the US fought so hard for a 2:1 advantage and reluctantly settled on 60%. It is also
why it took 2 years after Pearl Harbor to attack the Gilbert Island to start the ‘Island Hopping’
Campaign. The Gilberts were 2000 miles from Hawaii which could be expressed as a 20%
reduction in effectiveness. From there, it was much shorter jumps to the Marshalls, the Carolines
and the Marianas.
Another factor was the N2 law where the ratio of the lesser fleet squared represented its’ combat
effectiveness. 70% squared would be 49% (or 172 vs 122 is 289 vs 144 or 2:1) giving the US their
2:1 IF their fleet was intact when taking on Japan. The Japanese counted on their submarines and
air power to whittle down the US fleet until it could be met with equal numbers of Japanese ships.
It was always thought the Japanese would husband their fleet for the ‘decisive battle’ in Japanese
home waters whereas it really occurred in the Philippines.
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Winners: Toss Up!
And Losers? US has eight 16”-gun-ships including the fastest in the world. Assuming the four
Lexington’s are chasing the four Kongo’s, it leaves 13 US battleships against 8
Japanese battleships with a clear superiority in the number of guns over the
Japanese.
The British reduced G3s are no longer a vastly superior vessel since they must
combine a reduction in speed and armor or revert to 15” guns. They have the
most combat experience of any of the potential three adversaries and that cannot
be measured nor ignored.
Despite the Japanese having a higher ratio of ships, the US traded 6 old FL, AR,
TX class for 5 new 16” ships far superior in capability. The British have enough
fast ships to hunt down and sink the Kongos if they are used for raiding. Perhaps
this is why the Japanese were finally content with the 5/5/3 ratio.
5. Washington Treaty signed, Japanese do not withdraw in 1936.
In this fascinating scenario, BBs continue to be limited to 35k tons. The South Dakota s now
become the best BBs of any country. Bismarck, Littorio and Richelieu become the largest ships
built. The Germans must compromise to get 16” guns on a Bismarck size hull, perhaps going to
triple turrets and eliminate the useless upper casemate armor. Cruiser killers are needed which
means that some 35k ton battlecruisers will be built. 14” guns remain viable meaning that some
‘Vanguard’ type ships might be built as cruiser killers. Some alternate ships in scenario 1 are
included. Here is my summary of the fleets as of December, 1941 without taking into account
ship losses. Many are building (2/3 = 2 built/3 building). Japanese national will counteracts the
US industrial base as the US remains pacifist.
US (26) British (24) Japanese (18) German (14) French (6)
0/8 SD 5/4 15B 4/4 Fujimoto 2/6 BISMARCK 2/2 Richelieu
2 NC 2 F3 2 Nagato 6 Kreuzer P 2 DUNKERQUE
3 CO HOOD 2 ISE
2 TN 2 Renown 2 FUSO
3 NM 5 QE 4 Kongo
2 TX 5 R you can replace 4 ISE/FUSO with 2/4 Improved Kongo
2 AR
4 CC1933
Winners: Everyone! Costs are reduced. More ships can be built. The French, Italian and
German ships have a size edge and speed advantage over the British but the
British ships are still effective. Superior US technology, particularly machinery,
give the US a significant edge with the SD class which now is expanded to 8
ships because the Iowas are illegal at 45k tons.
Japan: With only 10% of the industrial base of the US, the Japanese have a fleet
guaranteed to be 60% the size of the US. This is a priceless advantage.
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6. Washington treaty fails, is revived under President Coolidge and signed in 1926.
With larger ships completed, new standards are now in place. The General Board gets its million
tons of capital ships. The limit becomes 48,000 tons (with two exceptions) to accommodate the
G3 and #13. The US is allowed to complete her 4 Design D which were laid down in pairs in
1923 and 1924. Britain is allowed to build four 54k ton ships to replace the Iron Dukes to match
the US. Amagi is destroyed in the 1923 earthquake as is the #13 material. The treaty is still set at
5/5/3 based mostly on tonnage. It is assumed the French and Italians cannot afford new ships.
The 4 Tillmans laid down in 1925 are scrapped. Many of the older dreadnoughts are also
scrapped. Fleets are as in 1930 as completed.
US (25) British (26) Japanese (16) France (6) Italy (4)
4 D 4 new BBs 3 #13 3 Bretagne 2 Doria
6 South Dakota 4 G3 7 Amagi/Kii 3 Courbet 2 Cavour
6 Lexington 4 N3 2 Tosa
4 CO Hood, Tiger 2 Nagato
2 TN 2 Renown 2 Ise (Kongos converted to CVs)
3 NM 5 QE, 5 R
1060k 1052k 640k tonnage
288 guns 216 guns 154 guns
Winners: No one. Fleets are larger but still proportional with more expensive but more
capable units. Japanese retain a speed edge while US has gunnery edge.
7. War Planning for your never-were ships
The ships any nation builds are only useful if they meet their strategical and tactical needs when
war breaks out. The next four pages provide a summary of two excellent books on the subject of
combat in the Pacific and invading Japan. If you were in charge of the General Board, what ships
would you want to build and why? If you were responsible for the IJN, what ships would you
build to try to counteract the superior building capacity of the US? If you were the British, what
ships would you consider to try to maintain your empire?
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War Plan Orange by Edward Miller
This is a synopsis, perhaps more of a book report, on one of the most comprehensive books on the
subject. No matter what the outcome of any treaties, the Navy was responsible for planning in
case war broke out between the US and any other country (e.g. War Plan Black was Germany,
War Plan Red was England). War Plan Orange planning against Japan went through many peaks
and valleys depending on the quality of the personnel assigned to War Plans, the interest or lack
thereof of the politicians and the economic conditions of the world.
Beginning in 1907, two major approaches ebbed and surged depending on the assumptions and
personalities of the planning personnel. One assumption was that Japan would make a sudden
strike and capture much of the South West Pacific and the Philippines. ‘Thrusters’ believed that
the fleet should be prepared to make a dash through the German held Central Pacific to a base in
the Philippines to counter-attack the Japanese. When the Japanese were awarded the former
German colonies after WWI, the fleet could be under continuous attack until they reached the
Philippines. After travelling 5,000 miles from Pearl Harbor, too many ships would have been lost
with the remainder not be in adequate material shape to prevail against a fresh Japanese navy.
‘Cautionaries’ believed in a “gradual step by step advance”, with “sequential occupation of
islands” to avoid attrition in the Japanese Mandate.
The limitations of aircraft and ships figured into the plans. It was felt the US voter would only
support a two-year war meaning that there would not be time to build new battleships and aircraft
carriers (3 years required) but enough time to build cruisers, destroyers and auxiliaries. The 1928
Cautionary strategy preserved the capital ships, predicted we would need 18,000 planes per year
and called for a massive increase in the army. Naval launched planes could not carry bombs or
torpedoes large enough to cripple a battleship so a Jutland type engagement was envisaged as the
climactic battle. With the 5:3 ratio in battleships from the Washington Naval Treaty, and the N2
law (p.74) making it 25:9 or a 2.8:1 advantage, the US was guaranteed to win the decisive battle.
Land based air cover was required to advance through the Japanese Mandate and the 1920s-1930s
planes were limited in range. Many islands would have to be taken as air bases to provide the air
cover for the next invasion. During WWII, land-based air had a longer range but more
importantly, the availability of so many escort carriers for air support meant that strong islands
were skipped to wither on the vine. “Island Hopping” was one major change from War Plan
Orange that could not have been foreseen.
WP Orange had three phases with almost all the planning focused on Stage 2. It was not until the
US was involved in the war that a comprehensive Stage 3 was planned.
Stage 1 Initial Japanese attack
Stage 2 US counterattacks and advances to Japan
Stage 3 Siege of Japan
Destruction of the US battle fleet at Pearl Harbor completely disrupted the Plan Orange time-table
(see following table of planned vs actual events). The Japanese threat against Australia required
the US to maintain the southern supply chain through Samoa, consuming aircraft and troops.
Guadalcanal represented an opportunity to prevent Japanese expansion, once again threatening
communications with Australia. The next deviation was to seize the Gilberts, the first set of
islands to be taken as part of the drive across the Japanese Mandate. Taking the Gilberts directly
protected the southern supply lines and brought land-based air within range of the Marshalls.
Note that it took much longer than planned to implement Stage 2, particularly when you compare
the original time frame to seize the Marshalls (M105!) slipped to M780. It took nearly two years
to implement the island-hopping campaign by invading Tarawa on November 10, 1943, almost
two years after Pearl Harbor.
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Unforeseen and unplanned was the simultaneous South Western Campaign led by General
McArthur. This provided two axis of advance complicating Japanese defensive moves. Both
drives met at Leyte Gulf and Luzon, undesired before the war but a better choice than Formosa.
The small islands off Japan did not need to be taken because air power and sea projection could
occur from Okinawa and Guam to seal off the Japanese islands and prepare to invade Japan itself.
Stage III was not well defined by War Plan Orange but was embraced by the General Staff. The
projected invasion, Operation Olympic, for November 1, 1945 was superseded by the use of the
atomic bomb. Kyushu was to be invaded first to provide air bases and then the Kanto Plain and
Tokyo would be assaulted as the final act of Stage 3.
The following chart depicts the difference in the 1928 Cautionary plan to move through the
Mandate to what actually transpired in the Pacific campaign. Since the Allies, mostly US, only
allocated 15% of the total war effort to Japan, the pre-war timetable was optimistic. While the
Battle of the Philippine Sea may have been the final decisive battle, Midway halted the Japanese
advance and the Japanese fleet blew their final opportunity at Leyte Gulf. B1 and B2 are the
advanced fleet supply and repair bases needed so that ships did not have to sail from nor return to
Pearl Harbor between campaigns. Looking at Plan Orange globally, the only major deviations
from pre-war planning was the seizure of the Gilberts and the substitution of Luzon for Formosa.
Ladder to Japan, Joint
Planning Committee 1928
Time Line
1928
Actual Events Timeline Date
M is mobilization day. M30 is 30 days after mobilization.
Concentrate Fleet M to M+30 Pearl Harbor M Day 12/7/41
Move to Western Base (B1) M30-M60
Occupy B1 M60-M90
Reinforce Corregidor M60-M90 Corregidor Falls M150 5/6/42
Midway M180 6/4/42
Guadalcanal M240-M420 8/7/42
Seize Gilberts M713-M717 11/10/43
Seize Marshalls M105-M135 Seize Marshalls M780-M790 1/31/44
Establish Eniwetok
(B1)
M795-M800 2/17/44
Seize Sakishima Islands M120-M150 Skipped for Okinawa
Seize Pescadores Islands M150-M180 Replaced by Leyte,
Luzon and Ormoc Bay
Caroline and Marianas
Operations
M180-M240 Seize Marianas, Isolate
and cripple Truk
M795-M830 2/17/44
Decisive Battle M300-M570 Decisive Battle in
Philippine Sea
M920-M950 6/19/44
Establish Ulithi (B2) M1020 9/23/44
Seize Northern Formosa M240-M300 Recapture Philippines M1050-
M1110
10/23/44
-1/1/45
Occupy Okinawa M300-M360 Occupy Okinawa M1200-
M1280
4/1/45-
6/22/45
Seize Amami Oshima M450-M540 Redundant to Okinawa
Seize Osumi Islands M540-M570 Part of Operation
Olympic
11/1/45
planned
Begin Air attacks against
home islands
M540-End B29s based on Tinian M1080-End 11/24/44
– End
Seize Goto Islands M570-M600 Part of Olympic 11/1/45
Seize Tsushima Island M600-M690 Not part of Olympic
Control seas around Japan M690-End Submarines and Air M1100-End 1/1/45
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The Invasion of Japan by John Ray Skates
As noted in War Plan Orange, the final stage of invading Japan was not well defined in pre-
WWII planning. This book clearly defines what the US would have to do to invade Japan to end
the war.
The story starts in January 1943 at Casablanca where the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) declared that
the Allies could defeat Japan through blockade, bombing and finally, assault resulting in
‘unconditional surrender’. They were hoping invasion would not be necessary. Pre-war planning
wanted to avoid invasion due to the known ferocity of the Japanese army, rugged terrain, poor
roads, heavily defended ports and scarcity of good landing beaches.
In August 1943 before the US had invaded a single Central Pacific island, it was determined that
Japan must be defeated within twelve months of Germany’s surrender. It was felt that the both
the US civilians and troops would be too war-weary to fight any longer. By July 1944, after the
decisive battle of the Philippine Sea, the JCS re-iterated the plan to conduct air and sea blockades,
air bombardment and destroy Japan’s air and naval strength followed by invading and seizing
objectives in the industrial heart of Japan.
In April 1945, during the invasion of Okinawa, MacArthur and Nimitz were ordered to begin
planning for Olympic, the invasion of Kyushu. MacArthur wanted to attack Kyushu directly
rather than establish further bases in China, Korea or Formosa to mount the attack on Kyushu.
Okinawa already provided the air bases needed to assault Kyushu. Nimitz favored the Navy’s
plan to defeat Japan solely through blockade and bombardment but didn’t foresee the end of the
war before mid-1946. Nimitz worried that providing the shipping and supplies for invading
Kyushu before the end of 1945 would be difficult.
The next issue, who is in charge? The Pacific had been mostly a Navy war with the seizure of
islands and the destruction of Japanese naval and air power. The seizure of Leyte and Luzon
merged MacArthur’s SW Pacific campaign and Nimitz’s Central Pacific campaign. Marshall
(army) and King (navy) in the JCS finally agreed that Nimitz would control the naval and
amphibious phase while MacArthur would have control after landing and, “in case of exigencies,
the actual amphibious assault through the appropriate naval commander”.
All the combat troops needed for Kyushu were already in the Pacific. The main issue was there
were not enough service troops in the Pacific and they needed to be redeployed from Europe.
Operation Coronet, the invasion of the Kanto plain where Tokyo was located, would require
redeployed troops from Europe. Retraining was necessary because Europe emphasized
mechanized tactics over open ground while Japan required small teams to reduce caves and
bunkers manned by suicidal defenders.
By August 1945, the Japanese increased their troop strength in Kyushu from 150,000 troops in 3
divisions to 545,000 troops in 13 divisions with 60% in the landing areas. MacArthur dismissed
the joint planner’s concerns noting the estimates resembled the inaccurate ones of Luzon. US air
and naval bombardment limited the ability to move or support troops, fuel, ammunition and other
supplies in southern Kyushu.
The US planned to land 353,000 combat soldiers organized in 13 divisions supported by 230,000
service troops including the engineers needed to build the supporting airfields, barracks, mess
halls and other infrastructure. The naval support for the invasion was unprecedented and
exceeded that of Normandy and Okinawa combined: 22 battleships, 27 fleet carriers, 36 escort
carriers, 50 cruisers and 458 destroyers protecting over 3,000 transports and landing craft.
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On X-Day minus 5, offshore islands would be
seized to provide radar facilities, emergency
anchorages and seaplane bases. Five days
later three different beaches would be
assaulted by 3 divisions each as seen on the
map. Miyazaki, the northernmost assault on
the east coast, was desired for its airfields and
the north-south highway with its crucial
bridge across the Oyodo river. Driving west
and south, I Corps was to link up with XI
Corps at Ariake Wan 32 miles southwest of
Miyazaki.
Three veteran divisions supported by eleven
independent battalions of tanks, anti-aircraft
guns and artillery was the strongest corps of
the three corps assaulting what was
considered to be the most difficult target.
Driving north would link them with I Corps
driving south from Miyazaki. More
importantly, driving west secured the port
facilities in Ariake Bay, existing air bases and
the flat, interior plains where more airfields
and support facilities could be built. Japanese
planners considered this to be the most
dangerous area to be lost.
The V Marine Corps landing on the west
coast had the most difficult task. Narrow
beaches backed by 80-foot cliffs with no
corridors other than ravines could be bloody defended by small numbers of Japanese. Within a
mile the Marines would have to cross a river and then 600-foot high hills. Dirt roads provided the
only easy egress through rice paddies and would have created more kill zones for the Japanese
defenders.
Post war assessments by the same corps that were to conduct the assault confirmed the difficult
terrain and obstacles for the Marines. Roads were unimproved, bridges were lashed together
logs, rail bridges and tunnels could be easily closed to the invaders. However, the US also
discovered that the Japanese build-up had been done with poorly trained, ill-equipped troops
whose reinforcement would have also been impossible due to the same conditions. Defensive
positions were unprepared, no mines existed to lay mine fields, fuel was unavailable and they
were short of munitions. Overwhelming naval gunfire and air support made a US victory
inevitable.
Landing on November 1, 1945, it was estimated that 60-90 days would be required to defeat the
Japanese and build the Kyushu airbases needed to assault the Kanto plain and Tokyo, if
necessary. Sometime in the spring 1946, Coronet, the plan to assault Tokyo, needed 23 divisions
including First Army redeployed from Europe. Naval and support plans were incomplete when
the Japanese surrendered in August,1945 eliminating the need for both Olympic and Coronet.
These invasion plans could represent what wasn’t completely planned in Stage 3 of War Plan
Orange.
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History of Superior Models
This section is dedicated to the memory of Ian ‘John’ Carter (1937 – 2002) who founded
Superior, continuing and improving on the Authenticast tradition.
Abraham Slonim founded Comet Metal Products in 1919 as a die-casting company. In 1935 his
sons, Joseph and Samuel joined the company. Originally located in Richmond Hills, Queens,
New York, the company produced 10,000,000 models during WWII at a cost to the Federal
Government of $5,000,000. Their patented centrifugal casting process was registered as
‘Authenticast’ to indicate the accuracy of the models that were produced. The first thing required
in the process is a ‘master’ model. In most cases, the actual building plans are used to make the
models. Authenticast had access to all the US plans as well as the plans to British ships refitted in
the US. Once the master is created, it is placed between two rubber or silicone disks. The disks
are placed in a frame and then placed in a vulcanizer, a press that contains heating elements. The
disks are squeezed together and heated. (This same process can also be used to make a grilled
cheese sandwich!). The squeezing forces the rubber into all the nooks and crannies of the master.
Heating the rubber hardens it to the consistency of a tire. The disks are now a mold; they are
separated and gates or channels carved from the center to the cavities. The mold is then placed in
a centrifugal casting machine where it is spun. Molten metal poured into the mold is forced into
the cavities. The mold is allowed to cool for several minutes and the models removed. This
‘Authenticast’ process has been used for over almost a century.
Before WWII, the services tried producing their own recognition models to train observers and
lookouts. Three days after Pearl Harbor, the Navy ordered 50,000 models and the other services
soon followed. The factory ran 24 hours per day, seven days per week. Armed guards patrolled
the area to protect the classified work. By 1950, Comet was a $250,000 per year business
employing 50 people. Commercial contracts were filled to make railroad models, parts for
washing machines, dryers, safes, and automobile batteries. Special contracts were filled
including replicating the 2,000,000 square foot plant of the Republic Aviation Corporation on
Long Island. Built in ¼” scale, it included the vending machines. The original wall-type can
opener was first made as a model in the Slonim factory for $200. The inventor won the contract,
paid $1500 to Comet to produce 1500 copies and then distributed them as a promotional device.
Over the years, rumors exist, that instead of creating all the masters themselves, Authenticast
would exchange castings for masters and continue to produce the castings. Despite rumors that
they took over production from South Salem, whose most notable models were Japanese
merchant ships, there does not seem to be any evidence that they did so. Indeed, 11 of the 16
South Salem ships are also included in the Authenticast Marus. The thinking that the SS ships
were generic ships is not true.
In the 1950's the U.S. government ceased using models as a means of recognition training, and
Comet concentrated on the hobby market. In 1962 Comet was sold to Jeff Bowen of Industrial
Models who hired Ian 'John' Carter from New York to produce the models. John was born on the
island of Granada and came to the US when he was nine. He attended school through 9th grade
and entered the world of mold making under the tutelage of Bill Vollheim. John moved to
Delaware and built the company over the next several years by concentrating on the ship models.
Collectors such as Bill Nailes (John married his daughter Susie), Tom E.S. Stribling (d.1991),
Richard S. Pattee (contributor to Morrison’s “History of USN Operations), Jack Rowe and Jack
Jamieson (d.1981) helped determine what new ships should be added to the line. Permission was
received from H.A.Framburg to reproduce their ships, several of which are still in the Superior
line. Originally a lamp company, Framburg of Chicago, Ill. also obtained a government contract
to make recognition models as they were configured in 1943 from the ONI Recognition Manuals.
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One of the best features of the Framburg's were the 40mm and 20mm mounts which soon
appeared on all the Authenticast originals.
In 1965 Alnavco became the major distributor of the ship models. Model makers were in short
supply then and now. (In 1950, Comet’s top model makers earned $17,000 per year!) Ed
Schwam built wooden models from plans supplied by Chris Beilstein. These were sent to Taiwan
where brass originals were made from the wooden models. The 'Taipei Brass' program produced
the base models for the WWI ships and many others but required substantial rework. Wayne
Smith began working for John in 1969 while in high school. He went looking for turrets for balsa
wood ships he was making and instead got a job completing ships for collectors who preferred
not to paint their own. Wayne began making ‘conversions’ at which point John began teaching
him to work on masters. The first was detailing Nagato, followed by the rebuilding of the New
Mexico. More followed including the 1:2400s in 1975.
The Authenticast planes and tanks were sold to Duke Siegfried in the early 1970s. Around this
time, Superior branched out into military miniatures, pewter, space ships, and figures for the
fantasy collector and wargame market. Each of these markets was larger than the ship market,
which produced proportionately less income. The complexity and detail of all of Superior's
castings became quickly appreciated in the industry and John was recognized as THE master
mold maker.
Examples of complex models included the 54mm scale Skoda Mortar (cast with rifling!) and the
1:35 Sheridan Tank for Chrysler and General Motors. With a small number of model makers and
the size of the line and other ventures, the number of 1:1200s that could be produced decreased.
The large Superior line of 1:2400 WWII and modern models was created quickly from 1975-85
and used the model maker’s time. The last new 1:1200s produced in 1981 included the best of
the conversions done by the collectors and wargamers that supported Superior. In 1983 Wayne
Smith 'retired' to raise a family. In 1999 John retired from Superior due to health reasons and
sold the ship models to Pete Paschall of Alnavco. With his family substantially raised, Wayne
Smith agreed to come out of ‘retirement’ to upgrade the models and create new ones.
Over the years, we have continually upgraded the ships by removing secondaries of 5" and
greater from the models and casting them separately. Many of the older models were upgraded
and Superior issued models out of production by other companies. Superior has created the vast
“Fleet that Never Was”, planned ships that were never completed. We have embarked on Special
Edition Destroyers but casting separate masts and twin guns. Marus are released at regular
intervals and have been upgraded. The following list is an attempt to catalog the entire line along
with the names of the model makers who produced the masters as well as the year they were
released.
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Authenticast models have been upgraded with AA guns from the Framburg line or newer AA guns created by John Carter or Wayne Smith. Those noted as upgraded have additional features. Rebuilt models have had deck hatching, ventilators, AA gun directors and in many cases, deck planking. Released is the year in which the ship was built or last updated. We are indebted to the late Mike Musser who contributed out of production models from his extensive collection so that others could enjoy their new availability. Mike also made many conversions whose patterns have been used to make new models.
Model # Name Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A501 CARD (CVE) Authenticast
A502 CASABLANCA (CVE) Framburg Rebuilt by J.Carter
A503 SANGAMON (CVE) Framburg Rebuilt by J.Carter
A504 ENTERPRISE 1942 Ed Schwam
A505 ENTERPRISE 1944 Framburg
A506 ESSEX 1944 Authenticast New model built by J.Carter
A507 HORNET 1942 Ed Schwam
A508 INDEPENDENCE (CVL) Framburg
A510 MIDWAY 1945 Authenticast Rebuilt by W. Smith 2014
A510A CV-A Wayne Smith
2009
A510B CV-B Wayne Smith
2009
A511 RANGER Wayne Smith
2008
A512 WASP 1942 Wayne Smith
2008
A513 SARATOGA 1944 Framburg Rebuilt by W.Smith 2008
A514 LEXINGTON 1942 Wayne Smith Rebuilt by W.Smith 2008
A516 YORKTOWN 1942 Ed Schwam
A517 LANGLEY (CV-1), U.S. CV John Carter Rebuilt by W.Smith
A518 Wasp 1966 Rebuilt by W.Smith
Amphibious Ships & Craft Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A821 ELDORADO AGC Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2005
A822 LST Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2005
A823 LCI (4) Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2005
A824 LCT (4) Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2005
Auxiliaries & Miscelleneous Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A801 BARNEGAT (AVP) Authenticast
A802 CIMARRON (AO) Authenticast
A803 CURTISS (AV) Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
A804 DIXIE (AD) Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
A805 FULTON (AS) Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
A806 HENDERSON (AP/AH) Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
A811 LIBERTY SHIP Authenticast
A812 VICTORY SHIP Authenticast
Battlecruiser Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A201 ALASKA 1944* Wayne Smith
A202 Lexington 1922 Wayne Smith
2002
A203 Lexington 1916 Wayne Smith
2004
A204 Project D 1918 Wayne Smith
2003
A205 CA2D Wayne Smith
2003
A206 CA2, Super Baltimore Wayne Smith
2016
A207 CAC Wayne Smith
2003
A208 CA Scheme #3 Wayne Smith
2016
A209 CC 1933 Wayne Smith
2006
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A210 Scheme M Wayne Smith
A211 Lexington WW2 Rig Wayne Smith 2017
Battleships Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A101 ARIZONA 1941 John Carter
1966
A102 ARKANSAS 1944 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2003
A103 COLORADO 1941 Authenticast
A104 COLORADO 1944 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2015
A105 IOWA 1945* Wayne Smith
1975
A106 MASSACHUSETTS 1945* Bob Duhadaway
A107 MONTANA(planned)* John Carter
1970
A108 NEVADA 1944* John Carter
A109 NEW MEXICO 1944 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 1973
A110 IDAHO 1945 Wayne Smith
2001
A111 MISSISSIPPI 1945 Wayne Smith
2001
A112 NORTH CAROLINA ‘44* Authenticast Rebuilt by J.Carter
A113 PENNSYLVANIA ‘44* Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2000
A114 COLORADO 1944 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
A115 TENNESSEE 1941 Authenticast
A116 TENNESSEE 1942 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
A117 TENNESSEE 1944* Authenticast Rebuilt by J.Carter
A118 TEXAS 1945 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
A119 WEST VIRGINIA ‘44* Authenticast Rebuilt by J.Carter
A121 SOUTH DAKOTA ’21 12-16” guns
Wayne Smith
1974
A122 NEW JERSEY 1984 Scott Spicer
A123 MARYLAND 1945 Wayne Smith
2001
A124 OKLAHOMA 1941 Wayne Smith
2001
A125 BB65D* (12-16”, 3x4) Wayne Smith
2005
A126 Tillman IV-2 Wayne Smith
2002
A127 Georgia (Mont II)* Wayne Smith
2002
A128 Virginia (Mont III)* Wayne Smith
2002
A130 BB 1922* Wayne Smith
2003
A131 BB1923 Wayne Smith
2003
A132 BB 65A Wayne Smith
2004
A133 BB 65(I) Wayne Smith
2005
A134 US Maximum BB Wayne Smith
2005
A135 BB 1917 Wayne Smith
2005
A136 BB65C Wayne Smith
2005
A137 BB1934-2 Wayne Smith
2006
A138 BB1937 XVI Wayne Smith
2006
A139 South Dakota 1942 Wayne Smith
2007
A140 New Jersey 1968 John Carter
1969
A141A Montana BB65-8 (12-16”) Wayne Smith
2009
A141B Montana BB65-8 (12-18”) Wayne Smith
2009
A142 Iowa Flight Deck 1984 Wayne Smith
A143 Tillman IV 24-16” Wayne Smith 2014
A144 BB1926 Wayne Smith 2015
A146 BB1937 IX-E Wayne Smith 2017
A145 IOWA as TILLMAN Wayne Smith 2015
A147 S. DAKOTA 1921 WW2 Rig Wayne Smith 2017
A148 TILLMAN WW2 Rig Wayne Smith 2019
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A149 BB65-1 American ‘D’ Wayne Smith 2021
A150 Kentucky (BBAA) Wayne Smith 2020
A151 Iowa (CIP) Wayne Smith 2020
A152 Illinois (BBG) Wayne Smith 2021
Destroyer Escorts Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A618 BUCKLEY Authenticast
A619 RUDDEROW Authenticast
Destroyers Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
DA01 The SULLIVANS (14-40mm) Wayne Smith Square Bridge AA Rig 2019
DA02 KIDD (10-40mm) Wayne Smith Round Bridge AA Rig 2019
DA03 PRINGLE Wayne Smith Fletcher w catapult 2019
DA04 SUMNER Wayne Smith Upgraded 2019
DA05 SIMS Wayne Smith Upgraded 2019
DA06 FARRAGUT Wayne Smith Upgraded 2019 DA07 GRIDLEY Wayne Smith Upgraded 2019 DA08 BENHAM Wayne Smith Upgraded 2019 DA09 LIVERMORE Wayne Smith Upgraded 2019 DA10 PORTER 1944 Wayne Smith Upgraded 2019 DA11 MAHAN Wayne Smith Upgraded 2020
DA12 BAGLEY Wayne Smith Upgraded 2020
DA13 BENSON Wayne Smith Upgraded 2020
DA14 GEARING Wayne Smith Upgraded 2020
A601 BENHAM Authenticast
A602 BENSON Authenticast
A603 BROOKS Authenticast
A604 FARRAGUT Authenticast
A605 FLETCHER Wayne Smith
1975
A606 GEARING Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 1976
A607 GRIDLEY Authenticast
A608 LIVERMORE Authenticast
A609 MAHAN Authenticast
A611 PORTER 1942 Authenticast
A613 SIMS Authenticast
A614 SOMERS Authenticast
A615 SUMNER Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 1976
A616 Hull Nos. DD66-347 Authenticast
Gunboats
Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A840 ERIE (PG) (2) Authenticast
A841 TACOMA (PF) (2) Authenticast
Heavy Cruisers Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A301 BALTIMORE 1944* Wayne Smith
1976
A302 PITTSBURGH 1944* Wayne Smith
2001
A303 INDIANAPOLIS 1945 John Carter Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
A304 LOUISVILLE 1945 Wayne Smith
2012
A305 NEW ORLEANS 1942 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
A307 NORTHAMPTON 1942 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
A308 OREGON CITY 1945 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
A309 PENSACOLA 1943 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
A310 WICHITA 1945 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
A311 MINNEAPOLIS 1945 Wayne Smith
2001
A312 DES MOINES* Wayne Smith
2003
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A313 US Cruiser 1920 Wayne Smith
2006
Light Cruisers Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A401 ATLANTA (CLAA) 1942* Wayne Smith
1976
A402 BROOKLYN 1945 Wayne Smith
1974
A403 CLEVELAND 1944* Wayne Smith
1974
A404 VINCENNES 1944* Wayne Smith
2001
A406 OMAHA 1943 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
A407 WORCESTER 1946 Wayne Smith
1975
A408 ST, LOUIS 1945* Wayne Smith
2001
A409 SAVANNAH 1945* Wayne Smith
2001
A411 CL1, Super Cleveland Wayne Smith 2016
A412 HELENA 1943 Wayne Smith 2018
A413 FARGO Wayne Smith 2020
A414 OAKLAND Wayne Smith 2020
Mine Warfare Ships Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A831 TERROR (CM) Authenticast
A832 RAVEN (AM) (2) Authenticast
A833 BIRD (AM) (2) Authenticast
Submarines Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
A701 BALAO (2) Bob Duhadaway
A704 S-22 (3) Authenticast
JAPAN
Aircraft Carrier Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
J501 HOSHO Comet Rebuilt by W.Smith 2012
J502 AKAGI 1942 John Carter Upgraded by W.Smith 2003
J503 KAGA 1942 Clydeside Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
J504 SORYU 1942 Clydeside Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
J505 HIRYU 1942 Clydeside Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
J509 RYUJO Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2015
J510 TAIYO Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2015
J511 SHOHO 1942 Wayne Smith
1975
J512 SHOKAKU Authenticast John Carter 1970
J513 JUNYO Wayne Smith 2020
J514 UNRYU Wayne Smith 2020
J515 TAIHO John Carter Upgraded by W.Smith 2015
J516 SHINANO Wayne Smith 2020
Auxiliaries
Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
J801 JINGEI (AS) Authenticast
J802 KAMOI, (AV) Authenticast
J803 MIZUHO, (AV) Authenticast
J804 NOTORO (AV/AO) Authenticast
J805 KAMOI (AV/AO) Authenticast
J806 KASHINO MARU Wayne Smith 2017
Battleships Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
J101 FUSO Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
J102 ISE Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2001
J103 ISE w/Flight Deck Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 1981
J104 KONGO John Carter
1972
J106 NAGATO 1945 Kephart/Carter Detailed by W. Smith 1973
J107 YAMATO* Wayne Smith
1975
J108 TOSA 1921 Wayne Smith
1980
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J109 Super Yamato (798)* Wayne Smith
2002
J110 Number 13 Wayne Smith
2004
J111 Yamato A140A Wayne Smith
2004
J112 Yamato A140A2 Wayne Smith
2005
J113 Yamato A140B2 Wayne Smith
2005
J114 Fujimoto Wayne Smith
2007
J115 Hiraga Wayne Smith
2007
J116 Haruna 1944 Wayne Smith 2019
J117 Hiei 1942 Wayne Smith 2019
J118 Yamato 1942 Wayne Smith 2019
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J201 AMAGI 1921 Wayne Smith
1981
J202 B65 Wayne Smith
2005
J203 iKONGO (Japan Vanguard) Wayne Smith
2014
J204 iFUSO Wayne Smith 2015
J205 iISE Wayne Smith 2015
Destroyer
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J603 HATSUHARU Authenticast
J604 HIBIKI Authenticast
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J606 SHIRYATSUYU Wayne Smith
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J608 MINEKAZE Authenticast
J609 MUTSUKI Authenticast
J610 SHIRYATSUYU Wayne Smith
J611 TERUTSUKI John Carter
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J614 SHIRYATSUYU Wayne Smith 2017
J615 SHIMIKAZE Wayne Smith 2020
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J304 MAYA AA 1944 Wayne Smith
2012
J305 SUZUYA 1944 Wayne Smith
1975
J306 FURUTAKA 1942 Wayne Smith 2012
J307 NACHI 1944 Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2011
J308 TONE 1944 Wayne Smith
2011
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J309 MOGAMI w. Flight Deck Wayne Smith
2007
J310 IBUKI Wayne Smith 2018
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J402 NATORI Authenticast
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2002
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J409 KITIKAMI Wayne Smith
2007
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2020
J411 C44 Improved AGANO Wayne Smith 2018
J412 CLAA Wayne Smith
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M6 ARIMISAN (3) Modern Passngr-Freighter
M7 HIROKAWA (5) Modern Passngr Freighter
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M10 DIA-ITI OGURA (5) Old 3 Island Tanker
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M11 NEKKA (2) Transport, Small
Nov-00
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M13 HOYO (2) Navy Petrol Carrier
Jun-76
M14 LIMA (18) Old 3 Island Freighter
Dec-05
M15 SINKO (8) Modern 3 Island Cargo
M16 HAKUSAN (4) Old Passenger-Cargo
M17 ASUKA (2) Cargo Ship
M18 MONTEVIDEO (3) Old Passenger-Cargo
Oct-03
M19 KASHIMA (2) Freighter, Large
M20 BIYO (17) Old 3 Island
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Dec-05
M22 NISSHIN (3) Authenticast
M23 NAGISAN (2) Modern Coastal Freighter
M24 ADEN (43) Store Ship
Oct-03
M25 BANGKOK (2) (Freighter, small)
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M27 TATUKAMI (2) Authenticast
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M32 TEIYO (1) Authenticast
M33 MONTREAL (6) Authenticast
Jun-00
M34 KAMAKURA (1) Authenticast
M35 KANO (1) Authenticast
M36 KINRYU (3) Authenticast
Oct-01
M37 AMAKUSA #1 (40) Authenticast
Oct-03
M38 KORYU (5) Authenticast
M39 NAGARA (6) Authenticast
Jun-76
M40 TAKATIHO (1) Authenticast
M41 BENGAL (11) Authenticast
Dec-05
M42 TYOKO (3) Authenticast
Oct-01
M43 AMAGISAN (2) Authenticast
M44 FUSHIMI (2) Authenticast
M45 DAIGEN (8) Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith Mar-06
M46 PEKING (20) Authenticast
Dec-05
M47 SANTEN (13) Authenticast
Oct-03
M48 AWAZISAN (2) Authenticast
M49 KYOKOTU (3) Authenticast
M50 GENYO (6) Authenticast
M51 Siretoka Authenticast
M52 KURAMA Authenticast
M77 KANZYU Authenticast
M78 KAMOGAWA Authenticast
M80 KASHINO Wayne Smith
M103 South Salem #3 Passenger – Old Detailed by W. Smith 2010
M106 South Salem #6 Standard Freighter – Old
Detailed by W. Smith 2010
M107 South Salem #7 Modern Freighter (split superstructure)
Detailed by W. Smith 2010
M114 South Salem #14 Amerikaland (Norwegian Collier)
Detailed by W. Smith 2010
M115 South Salem #15 Trawler Detailed by W. Smith 2010
GERMANY
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G205 GRAF SPEE John Carter Upgraded by W.Smith 2007
G206 LUTZOW Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2012
G207 Kreuzer P Wayne Smith
2005
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G201 GNEISENAU* Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2005
G202 SCHARNHORST* Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2005
G203 OPQ Wayne Smith
2004
G208 KW45 Wayne Smith
2005
G920 DERFFLINGER 1914 John Carter
G921 SEYDLITZ 1914 John Carter
G922 VON DER TANN 1914 John Carter
G923 MOLTKE 1914 John Carter Upgraded by W.Smith
G924 BLUCHER Wayne Smith
G925 MACKENSEN Wayne Smith
2021
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G101 BISMARCK* John Carter Upgraded by W.Smith 2005
G102 TIRPITZ* Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2005
G103 H39 15” guns* Herb Kephart
1973
G104 H39 16” guns* Herb Kephart
1973
G105 H44 Wayne Smith
2005
G901 NASSAU 1914 John Carter
G902 HELGOLAND 1914 John Carter
G903 KOENIG 1914 John Carter
G904 BADEN 1916 Wayne Smith
G905 KAISER 1914 Wayne Smith
G906 L20 Wayne Smith 2020
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G601 GALSTER Authenticast
G602 MAASZ Authenticast
G603 NARVIK Authenticast
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G301 HIPPER Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2007
G302 PRINZ EUGEN Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2003
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G402 KOELN Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2018
G403 LEIPZIG Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2018
G404 NURNBERG Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2018
G405 Kreuzer M Wayne Smith
2006
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G701 TYPE VII (3) Authenticast
G702 TYPE XIV (3) Authenticast
G703 TYPE XXI (3) Bob Duhadaway
GREAT BRITAIN
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B501 UNICORN Authenticast
B504 FURIOUS Authenticast
B505 ILLUSTRIOUS Authenticast
B506 ARK ROYAL Wiking Upgraded by W.Smith 2003
B507 COURAGEOUS Wiking Upgraded by W.Smith 2003
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B508 EAGLE Comet Upgraded by W.Smith 2003
B509 HERMES Wiking Upgraded by W.Smith 2003
Auxiliary
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B803 ABDIEL DM Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2007
B804 TYNE AD Authenticast
B805 QUEEN MARY Triang John Carter
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B201 HOOD John Carter
B202 RENOWN Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2003
B203 REPULSE Wayne Smith
2003
B204 INVINCIBLE 1921 Wayne Smith Replace model from 1983 2005
B205 Hood 1944 Wayne Smith
2001
B206 F3 Wayne Smith
2005
B920 INVINCIBLE 1914 John Carter
B921 INDEFATIGABLE 1914 John Carter
B922 LION 1914 John Carter Upgraded by W.Smith 2002
B923 TIGER 1915 John Carter
Battleships Model Maker Upgraded/Rebuilt? Released
B101 KING GEORGE V* Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2005
B102 LION* Wayne Smith
1974
B103 MALAYA Authenticast Rebuilt by J.Carter
B104 NELSON* Authenticast Rebuilt by J.Carter 2004
B105 PRINCE OF WALES ‘41* Framburg Rebuilt by J.Carter 2005
B106 QUEEN ELIZABETH Authenticast Rebuilt by J.Carter/Upgraded by W.Smith
B107 ROYAL SOVEREIGN Authenticast Rebuilt by J.Carter/Upgraded by W.Smith
B109 WARSPITE Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith
B110 VANGUARD* Triang from Musser
Rebuilt by W.Smith 2003
B111 Super LION (16E/38)* Wayne Smith
2002
B112 N3 (1922) Wayne Smith
2004
B113 BB1936 15A Wayne Smith
2004
B114 LION Hybrid Wayne Smith
2008
B115 RODNEY (modernized) Wayne Smith 2017
B116 Super Lion, Vanguard style Wayne Smith 2017
B901 DREADNOUGHT 1914 John Carter Upgraded by W.Smith 2002
B902 IRON DUKE 1914 Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2002
B903 KING GEORGE V 1914 John Carter
B904 BELLEROPHON Wayne Smith
2003
B905 COLLINGWOOD Wayne Smith
2003
B906 NEPTUNE Wayne Smith
2003
B908 QE WWI Wayne Smith
2003
Destroyer
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B602 J CLASS Authenticast
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B302 DORSETSHIRE Wayne Smith
2007
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B304 LONDON Authenticast
B305 EXETER Wayne Smith 2020
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B402 BELFAST Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2002
B403 DIDO Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2002
B405 FIJI Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2009
B406 LEANDER Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2012
B407 SOUTHAMPTON Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2009
B408 HOBART Wayne Smith
2007
B409 BLACK PRINCE Wayne Smith
B410 Colony AA Wayne Smith
B411 EMERALD Authenticast Upgraded by W. Smith 2018
Monitor
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B801 ABERCROMBIE Authenticast
B802 ROBERTS Authenticast
FRANCE
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F103 DUNKERQUE* John Carter Rebuilt by W.Smith 2003
F104 RICHELIEU* Authenticast Upgraded by Carter/Smith 2004
F105 GASCOGNE* Wayne Smith
2001
F106 ALSACE* Wayne Smith
2002
F107 BRETAGNE Wayne Smith
2003
F109 CLEMENCEAU Wayne Smith
2005
F110 JEAN BART Wayne Smith
2021
F901 NORMANDIE Wayne Smith
2002
F902 LYON Wayne Smith
2021
F903
Destroyer
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F601 FANTASQUE Authenticast John Carter
F602 MOGADOR Wayne Smith
F603 Le Hardi Wayne Smith
2004
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F301 TOURVILLE Authenticast John Carter
F303 SUFFREN Mike Musser Collection
Rebuilt by W.Smith
F304 FOCH Mike Musser Collection
Rebuilt by W.Smith 2005
F305 DUPLEIX Mike Musser Collection
Rebuilt by W.Smith 2005
F306 ALGERIE Wayne Smith
2005
F307 St LOUIS Wayne Smith 2016
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F401 GEORGES LEYGUES Wayne Smith
F402 EMILE BERTIN Framburg Rebuilt by W.Smith 2005
F403 PRIMAGUET Comet Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
F404 DeGRASSE Wayne Smith
ITALY
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I102 CONTE DE CAVOUR Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2015
I103 LITTORIO* Authenticast Upgraded by W.Smith 2004
Destroyer
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I301 TRENTO Star New hull and upgraded by W.Smith
2004
I302 ZARA Authenticast
I303 BOLZANO Wayne Smith
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I401 DUCA D'AOSTA Authenticast Rebuilt by W.Smith 2002
I402 GARIBALDI Authenticast
I403 BANDE NERE Star,Mike Musser collection
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I404 CADORNA Star,Mike Musser collection
Rebuilt by W.Smith 2004
I405 CIANO Wayne Smith
RUSSIA
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R101 SOVIET SOYUZ Wayne Smith
2014
R102 GIBBS AND COX 'D' Wayne Smith
2019
R103 PROJECT 24 (XIII) Wayne Smith
2008
R104 UP41 Wayne Smith
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R201 Kronstadt Wayne Smith
2016
R202 Stalingrad Wayne Smith
2008
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R402 Chapayev Viking Rebuilt by W.Smith 2007
R403 Sverdlov Viking Rebuilt by W.Smith 2007
NETHERLANDS
N201 Battlecruiser 1047 Wayne Smith 2002
N401 DeRUYTER Wayne Smith 2020
N402 JAVA Wayne Smith 2020
GREAT WHITE FLEET ERA
JAPAN
T101 MIKASA NA .
T102 KASUGA NA .
T103 YAKUMO NA .
T104 ZUMA NA .
UNITED STATES
W101 ALABAMA 1898 NA .
W102 CONNECTICUT 1905 NA .
W103 INDIANA NA .
W104 MAINE 1898 NA .
A129 MICHIGAN NA Rebuilt by W.Smith 2003
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W106 BROOKLYN NA .
W107 OLYMPIA NA
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Penetration Table at Normal Battle Range of 20,000 yds (m indicates meters instead of yds)
Gun Country Ship AP Shell
Weight
(lbs)
Belt Penetration at
20,000 yds (meters)
Deck Penetration at
30,000 yds (meters)
20”/45 Japan 798 4200 Not built
21"Gerät Germany H44 4850 Not built
18”/48 US 3850 24” calculated 8.1” calculated
18.9”/45 Japan #13 3410
18.1”/45 Japan Yamato 3220 19.5” (meters) 7.4” (meters)
18”/45 Britain N3 2837
16”/50 US Iowa 2700 20.0” 6.7”
15”/50 Italy Littorio 1951 20.1” 5.1”
16”/50 Germany H39 2272 18.8” 5.0”
16”/45 US S.Dakota 2700 17.6” 7.6”
15”/47 Germany Bismarck 1764 16.5” 5.0
15”/50 France Richelieu 1949 15.5” 5.4”
16”/45 Britain Lion 2375 15.3” 5.7”
14”/50 US NM, TN classes 1500 13.8” 5.3”
13”/52 France Dunkerque 1235 13.5” 4.3”
12”/50 US Alaska 1140 12.7” 5.1”
16”/45 Britain Nelson 2048 12.2” 5.1”
15”/42 Britain Vanguard 1938 11.7” 5.7
16”/45 US Colorado 2240 11.5”
11”/55 Germany Scharnhorst 728 11.5” 3.0”
14”/45 Britain King George V 1590 11.2” 4.8”
16”/45 Japan Nagato 2249 10.6” (meters)
Statistics gathered from Dulin/Garzke, Raven/Roberts, Lacroix, Friedman, and Navweps.com
Bibliography
Battleships, Allied, William Garzke and Robert Dulin, Naval Institute Press, 1985
Battleships, Axis and Neutral, William Garzke and Robert Dulin, Naval Institute Press, 1985
British Battleships of WWII, Raven and Roberts, Naval Institute Press, 1976
Japanese Cruisers, Eric Lacroix, Naval Institute Press, 1997
U.S.Battleships, Norman Friedman, Naval Institute Press, 1985
U.S. Cruisers, Norman Friedman, Naval Institute Press, 1984
U.S. Carriers, Norman Friedman, Naval Institute Press,
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Seapower Values by Bobby Weymouth.
United States
Tillman IV-II 1917 24 K DV 0.25 Deck:5.0" AA:.5Red
15-18"/48 SRM:7.5 2950 lbs 1350 rds 47,000 yds TT:4-
21"(12)
12-6"/53 SRM:25 105 lbs 2400 rds 26,500 yds
8-5"/25AA SRM:60 55 lbs 2880 rds 14,500 yds
Tillman Design 4 24 K DV 0.25 Deck:5.0" AA:.5Red
24-16"/50 SRM:7.5 2100 lbs 2160 rds 43,500 yds TT:4-
21"(12)
22-6"/53 SRM:25 105 lbs 4400 rds 26,500 yds
6-3"/50AA SRM: 60 13 lbs 2280 rds 14,500 yds
BB65C Plan 27 k DV: 1 DK:5.1" AA:Blue
12-16"/50R SRM:10 2700lb 1440 rd 42,500 yds TT: 0
20-5"/38DP SRM:75 55lb 9000 rd 17,500 yds AC:4 C:2
BB-65D Plan 27 K DV:0.5 DK: 12.0" AA:Blue
12-16"/50R SRM:10 2700 lb 1440 rd 42,500 yd TT:0
12-6"/47DPA SRM:100 141 lb 9600 rd 26,000 yd AC:3 C:2
BB65(I) Plan (1938) 27 K DV:1 Deck: 5.1" AA:Blue 9-18"/48R SRM:10 3850 lb 1080 rd 44,500 yds AC:3 C:2 20-5"/38DP SRM:75 55 lb 9000 rd 17,500 yds
BB65(A) Plan (1939) 27 K DV:1 Deck:5.1" AA:Blue 12-16"/50R SRM:10 2700 lb 1440 rd 42,500 yds AC:3 C:2 20-5"/38DP SRM:75 55 lb 9000 rd 17,500 yds
Georgia Plan 27 K DV:0.5 Deck:12.0" AA:Blue
8-18"/47R SRM:10 3850 lbs 960 rds 44,500 yds AC:3 C:2
12-6"/47DP SRM:100 141 lbs 9600 rds 26,000 yds
Virginia Plan 27 K DV:0.5 Deck:12.0" AA: Blue
9-18"/47R SRM:10 3850 lbs 1080 rds 44,500 yds AC:3 C:2
12-6"/47 DP SRM:100 141 lbs 9600 rds 26,000 yds
BB 1922 Plan 24 K DV:1 DK: 5.0" AA:.5 Red
8-18"/48 SRM:7.5 2950 lb 720 rd 47,000 yd TT:4-21"
(8)
18-6"/53 SRM:25 105 lb 3600 rd 26,500 yd AC:3 C:2
8-5"/25AA SRM:60 55 lb 2880 rd 14,500 yd
BB 1923 Plan 24 K DV:1 DK: 5.0" AA:.5 Red
12-18"/48 SRM:7.5 2950 lb 1080 rd 47,000 yd TT:4-21"(8)
12-6"/53 SRM:25 105 lb 2400 rd 26,500 yd AC:3 C:2
8-5"/25AA SRM:60 55 lb 2880 rd 14,500 yd
Lexington 1916 Values in Seapower Directory
Lexington 1921 Values In Seapower Directory
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Design D 1918 30 K DV:1 DK: 4.0" AA:.5 Red
12-16"/50 SRM:7.5 2100 lb 1080 rd 43,500 yd TT:4-21"(8)
16-6"/53 SRM:25 105 lb 3200 rd 26,500 yd AC:3 C:2
8-5"/25AA SRM:60 55 lb 2880 rd 14,500 yd
CA2D 1940 33 K DV:6 DK: 5.0" AA:Blue
12-12"/50R SRM:15 1140 lb 1800 rd 37,000 yd TT:0
16-5"/38DP SRM:75 55 lb 7200 rd 17,500 yd AC:4 C:2
Scheme 2 Plan 1940 33 K DV:15 DK:3.0" AA:Blue
12-8"/55R SRM:20 335 lb 1920 rd 30,500 yd TT:8-21"(8)
12-5"/38DP SRM:75 55 lb 5400 rd 17,500 yd AC:3 C:2
CAC 1941 33 K DV:14 DK:3.5" AA:Blue
12-8"/55R SRM:20 335 lb 1920 rd 30,500 yd TT:8-21"(8)
12-5"/38DP SRM:75 55 lb 5400 rd 17,500 yd AC:3 C:2
Scout Cruiser
C-1 1921 36 K DV:20 DK:1.0" AA:.5Red
7-8"/55 SRM:20 260 lb 1120 rd 28,000 yd TT:6-21:(6)
4-5"/51 SRM:40 60 lb 960 rd 12,500 yd AC:1 C:0
BB 1917 Plan 21k DV:3 DK:7.2" AA:.25 Red
10-16"/45 SRM:7.5 2100 lb 900 rd 34000 yrds TT:2-21"(8)
22-6"/53 SRM:25 105 lb 6600 rd 26,500 yds AC:0 C:0
4-3"/23AA SRM:60 13 lb 1440 rd 7,500 yds
MAXIMUM BB
BB 1934 Plan 27k DV:0.5 DK:6.5 AA:Red
8-20"/50 SRM:7.5 4450lb 960 rd 47,000 yd TT: 0
20-5"38DP SRM:75 55lb 9000 rd 17,500 yd AC:4 C:2
BB1934 Counter to the HOOD
BB 1934 Plan 30k DV:5 DK:5.0 AA:Orange
8-16"/45 SRM:10 2240lb 960 rd 40,500 yd TT: 0
14-5"38DP SRM:75 55lb 6300 rd 17,500 yd AC:0 C:0
Scheme XVI BB 1937 Plan 27k DV:4 DK:6.0 AA:Orange
12-14”/50 SRM:10 1500lb 1440 rd 36,500 yd TT: 0
16-5"38DP SRM:75 55lb 7200 rd 17,500 yd AC:3 C:2
CC 1933
CC 1934 Plan 30k DV:5 DK:6.0 AA:Orange
9-14”/45 SRM:7.5 1500lb 1080 rd 36,500 yd TT: 0
16-5"38DP SRM:75 55lb 7200 rd 17,500 yd AC:4 C:2
Germany
OPQ Values in Seapower Directory
Kreuzer P Values in Seapower Directory
KW45 Plan (1939) 36 K DV:9 Deck:4.5" AA:Orange 8-15"/47R SRM:10 1764lb 960 rd 39,500 yds AC:4 C:1 12-5.9"/55 SRM:30 100 lb 1800 rd 25,000 yds TT:8-
21"(24) 8-4.1"/65AA SRM:70 35 lb 3200 rd 16,500 yards
Great Britain
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HOOD Plan 1942 33 K DV:3 Deck:5.5" AA:Blue
8-15"/42R SRM:10 1920 lbs 960 rds 37,000 yds AC:4 C:1
16-5.25"/50 SRM:40 85 lbs 4320 rds 22,500 yds
Super LION 16E38 27 K DV:2 Deck:6.0" AA:Blue
12-16"/45R SRM:10 2500 lbs 1440 rds 43,500 yds AC:4 C:1
16-5.25"/50 SRM:40 85 lbs 4320 rds 22,500 yds
BB1935A Plan(1935) 30K DV:4 Deck:5.25" AA:Orange 9-15"/45R SRM:10 2050 lb 1080 rd 40,500 yds AC:4 C:1 20-4.5"/DP SRM:75 55 lb 9000 rd 17,500 yds TT:10-
21"(10)
BB1935B Plan (1935) 27 K DV:3 Deck:6" AA:Orange
9-15"/45R SRM:10 2050 lb 1080 rd 40,500 yds AC:4 C:1 20-4.5"/DP SRM:75 55 lb 9000 rd 17,500 yds TT10-
21"(10)
F3 Plan 30 k DV:5 DK:7.0" AA:0.25 Red
9-15"/50 SRM: 7.5 1950 lb 1080 rd 35,000 yd TT:0
8-6"/50 SRM: 30 100 lb 1920 rd 24,500 yd AC: 0
Admiral CA Plan(4) 33 k DV:14 DK:4.0" AA:Blue
12-9.2"/45R SRM:20 380 lb 1920 rd 34,500 yd TT8-21"(16)
16-4"/45 SRM:75 30 lb 7200 rd 17,500 yd AC:4 C:1
N-3 Values in Seapower Directory
G-3 Values in Seapower Directory
France
Alsace Plan 1944 33 K DV:1 Deck:8.0" AA"Blue
12-15"/45R SRM:10 1940 lbs 1440 rds 43,500 yds AC:3 C:1
12-6"/55DP SRM:25 120 lbs 3000 rds 28,000 yds
16-3.9"/45 SRM:100 30 lbs 4800 rds 16,000 yds
St Louis Plan 33 k DV:17 DK:3.5" AA:Orange
9-8"/50 SRM:20 270 lb 1400 rd 30,000 yd TT6-21"(12)
12-3.9"/50AASRM:100 35 lb 5400 rd 20,500 yd AC:3 C:2
Japan
A-140A Plan (1934) 30K DV:0.5 Deck:8.9" AA:Red 9-18"/45(R) SRM:7.5 3220 lb 810 rd 46000 yards AC:6 C:2 12-6.1"/60 SRM:25 125 lb 3600 rd 30,000 yards 12-5"/40AA SRM:60 50 lb 4320 rd 16000 yards
A-140A2 Plan 1935 30 K DV:0.5 Deck: 8.0 AA:Red 8-18"/45(R) SRM:7.5 3220 lb 810 rd 46.000 yds AC:6 C:2 12-6.1"/60 SRM:25 125 lb 3600 rd 30,000 yds 12-5"/40AA SRM:60 50 lb 4320 rd 16,000 yds
A-140B2 Plan 1935 27 K DV:0.5 Deck:8.9" AA:Red 8-20"/45(R) SRM:7.5 4200 lb 810 rd 52,500 yds AC:6 C:2 12-6,1"/60 SRM:25 125 lb 3600 rds 30,000 yds 12-5"/40 AA SRM:60 50 lb 4320 rds 16,000 yds