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    Mineral Deficiency, PCOS and Hair Loss

    by admin on September 12, 2008

    This Information was posted by Joanon this topic, Stacys Hair LossStory Searching For Answers. There is some pretty interesting and important information here that canbe further researched and discussed with your own doctor to perhaps aid in the treatment of hair loss andPCOS. I never overrule anything that may possibly help, but please definitely always consult a physicianbefore taking anything. We are all individual and take different medications for a whole slew of otherailments, so we want to make sure that anything we take will sit in harmony with all the rest of our meds,and that there are no contraindications. Here is the post:

    Hi Folks,

    Its very sad to read all of these stories, but there may be help. It is perhaps very significant that manysymptoms of PCOS can be found simply with zinc and manganese deficiency. Zinc deficiency causes hairloss, poor sugar metabolism, dandruff, acne, migraine headaches, menstrual irregularities, ovarian cysts,and infertility. Manganese deficiency causes poor sugar metabolism, migraine headaches, ovarian cysts,infrequent menstrual cycles, endometriosis, and infertility. The hyperglycemia in PCOS depletes thecritical antioxidants copper zinc superoxide dismutase and manganese superoxide dismutase, as well asmanganese-dependent arginase, all of which are low in PCOS. As a result, diabetics lose both zinc andmanganese twice as fast as non-diabetics.

    The ovarian enzyme that is impaired in PCOS, causing increased androgens, is one that is targeted bydioxin and dioxin-like pollutants like PCBs and flame retardants-PBDEs. These chemicals are estrogenic

    compounds, all of which deplete zinc and manganese, starting a vicious cycle of hyperglycemia andcontinued loss of minerals. These and other estrogenic compounds may thus be the major cause of PCOS.They accumulate in fat, which would explain why losing weight helps PCOS. Zinc is also the pivotalmineral for losing weight, for many reasons.

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    Replenishing minerals has to be done slowly, because mineral supplementation affects other minerals. Inaddition, storage iron (as opposed to iron in the blood) is raised in PCOS, and copper and manganese areneeded to safely absorb iron and put it into the blood, where it belongs. I dont have PCOS but I take20-25 mg zinc, 10 mg manganese and 2-2.5 mg copper (for usable iron, also to balance the zinc at a 1:10ratio max.), as well as 1 tablespoon cod liver oil every day (vitamin D and omega-3s are necessary toabsorb the zinc). Zinc and copper must be taken at least 2 hours apart from each other for properabsorption.

    Exposure to estrogenic chemicals is so common now (bisphenol A plastics are everywhere, preservativesin our food, flame retardants in breastmilk!, etc.) that I think everyone needs basic mineral protection. Ihope someone tries this formula, it should really be beneficial, but you have to be patient-it could take afew months or more for an effect.

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    Tagged as: copper, deficiency, hair loss estrogen, minerals, PCOS, zinc magnesium

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    LaShunda September 14, 2008 at 11:49 am

    I woke up today and I washed my hair and I condition it and Im so genital with ever string of myhair. I let it air dryI was in my room cause, when its wet you can see my scalp so great, so I stayin my room until it dries.I had for got that I was letting my hair dry,and my husband walked inand was talking to me and my son.I was really talking having a good time.But when they left Ididnt pay no mine that they saw my hair,until I got up and went to the mirrorWow! I said tomyself..I was so embarrass for me and themI started to pray..Im so hurt about this matterIget so sad at times of it.. my life is so confuse over it.I JUST WANT MY DAM HAIR BACK!THATS ALL I WANT!

    admin September 14, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Hi LaShunda, I am so sorry for what happened to you today. I can just imagine how you felt. Butyour family LOVES you, if there is one place we should feel safe, it is with them. Your son andhusband dont love you for your hair, they love you for who you are. I wish I could reach out andhug you, I can read the panic and frustration in your writing and I feel helpless. Im here to talkanytime. If you havent already, check out the network, set up a profile and start interacting withother women with hair loss, I think youll start to feel A LOT better. Leave comments on otherwomens profiles, ask questions, they will surely respond and welcome you with open arms. Here isthe link http://community.womenshairlossproject.com/home.php

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    Julia November 19, 2008 at 1:53 am

    Everyone, take note of Joans excellent suggestion. I am having tremendous success with zincsupplements, 75 mg/day. My scalp used to itch like mad and that has stopped. Even better, theamount of hair I lose every day has dropped to almost a normal rate and I have stubbly little hairscoming in! I think its going to grow back! My scalp feels so normal now instead of on fire, and thatis an incredible feeling. I have been to three doctors and no one thought to suggest zinc.

    Cathy bailey November 21, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Sounds really great,Julia, how long did it take to improve? Did you also have a flakey scalp?ca

    Julia November 23, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    I did have a flakey, pink scalp. I had been told to use the shampoos medicated with ketocanazole,pyritione zinc, and coal tar, but they werent helping me much after months of use.

    I saw a slight improvement with the irritation a few days after I started on the supplements, and a

    small difference in the amount of hair I was losing, after about a week of taking the supplements.After two weeks both are even better. My mother and I agreed that less of my scalp is showing,which I think is because of the stubble hairs and the fact that Im not losing massive amounts of hairas it grows in. At its worst, my hair loss was between I-2 and I-3 on the Savin scale. For someonewith more severe loss, maybe it would take longer to see a difference. There are a couple of casestudies online and there the people took a few weeks to improve.

    Cathy bailey November 27, 2008 at 8:14 am

    Hi Julia,this is very good news. I dont often hear about how mineral help hair loss unless its iron. I did hear

    about a study that showed those with hair loss showed low zinc, calcium and manganese on a hairmineral analysis. Im low in manganese and zinc. My hair loss has been going on for many years. Idont know its candida or fungus in my hair or systemic, or mineral deficiencies, or both. I wastaking lots of zinc and doc said to slow down because I might develop a copper def. IN any case,Im taking a super power packed multi mineral/vitamine called Truehope which is supposed to curemental disorders. Im not sick, but its so comprehensive and full of good minerals, it should helpmy hair. Lets put it this way, if it doesnt help my hair, nothing will. Please keep in touch. Did youhave any other signs of zinc deficiency? Im very happy for you. cath Please tell me more abouthow your hair started to fall and if you were also low in iron. Also, plese direct me to these casestudies youve mentioned.

    Julia November 27, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    In my case I started to notice significant hair loss when I started working out seriously and eatingless meat and more vegetables, and losing weight. I dont get it. Maybe my body had higherdemands for zinc with all the exercise. Maybe I have a genetic predisposition for needing more zincand all of these demands on my body just made that tendency shine forth. My grandma has chroniceczema, which is a sign of zinc deficiency..maybe she and I have this in common? All I can do isguess.

    I did have other signs of zinc deficiency. Eczema, dermatitis, general feeling of weakness.

    One case study: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/117971160/abstract . A study ofinterest but not conclusive, no controls, etc: http://bariatrictimes.com/2008/09/19/the-latest-on-nutrition-and-hair-loss-in-the-bariatric-patient/There isnt a lot of research out there but thereare a couple more case studies you can find w/google. Im still exploring as much as I can other

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    ways to help myself.

    Cathy, are you seeing any changes from your supplements?

    Cathy bailey December 11, 2008 at 8:58 am

    HI Julia,Ive been on this power packed supplement since Nov 18. I take about 8/day. There is still no

    change and today its Dec. 10. I would have supposed a change by now. Still lots of hair loss. Imbeginning to think its not nutritional. I could have candida (I have lots of intestinal gas) Ive beenusing Nizoral/T gel wihout much relief. I do have a fair bit of flaking on my scalp, but no sign ofserious dermatitis/psoriasis. My thyroid meds may be the wrong dosage. Its really driving me crazy.I always have new growth, but it never is enough to make it get thicker, its always thinner. Theendo docs are so useless. they dont seem to know which dosage I need to be on..:-( cathyP.S.My blood test showed Im low in zinc, manganese, vanadium.

    Cathy bailey December 11, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Julia, Im taking a holistic nutrition course at night and Im learning that animal products are a

    better source of zinc. (oysters are loaded with them).Vegetarianism isnt such a good idea if yourancestors for many years were carnivores. I began losing my hair 30 years ago. It all started with avegetarian diet. I was being stupid. Many people need to pay attention to their body type and diet.Im a B type and I can eat everything, including meat. I suspect you need animal products to keepup your mineral levels. Good luck and keep me posted.

    Julia December 11, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Cathy, I am with you on the vegetarianism thing. I really, really need protein. I used to eat verylittle protein and be extremely active. I wasnt thinking! It was all wrong for my body. Now when Ieat, all I think about is the protein content. (My new thing is lentils, I think they are the ultimate

    food.

    I have good and bad days, but recently my shed is around 25 to 30 hairs. This makes me want tosing from rooftops! This is when Ive had my hair in braids all day, shampoo and condition, andthen comb it out. So thats a full day worth of shed. And you better believe I comb and countmeticulously! Please God, let this keep up and bring the new hairs in.

    Cathy bailey December 14, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Hi Julia,Firstly, Im so happy about your hair regrowth!! I dont think enough women know about it. They

    know more about iron/hair loss, than zinc/hair loss.Ive been reading about the importance of biotin and think I may have a def. because I seem tohave characteristics of it: probably candida, brittle nails, hair loss, flaking. I have no sign of skinproblems other than my scalp. The more I read about biotin, the more I realize that candida and abiotin def. occur together. Ive just bought a whooping 5 mg bottle and started taking 2 twice/day. IfIve got candida, which I think I do, it will prevent the biotin from being made in the gut. I alsoprobably need to eat more probiotics. Im already taking alot of B vitamins but now Ill try thismega dose of biotin and see what happens. Im just so sick of this hair shed, my left side is thinnerthan my right, and I feel so lop sided. Read this: :Alternative Medicine Review: Biotin, on the net.A very good explanation of the bodys need for biotin. Also read this from Dr. C. Pfeiffer, who was

    a mineral genius who wrote another book all about zinc. Here he discusses the dangers ofvegetarianism: another important nutrient that may be lacking in a vegetarian diet is zinc. Most vegetarians notonly swear off meat, a good source of zinc, but usually accompany this with increased consumptionof foods rich in phytates (beans, legumes, grains) which bind zinc, calcium, and other minerals in

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    the digestive system. This can become a major problem if large quantities of phytate rich foods areconsumed. Adding to the danger of low zinc satus is the declining trace mineral content of edibleplants, epsecaily grains, as a result of soil exhaustion (without replacement) and overuse of nitrogenand phosphorus fertilizers. Zinc insufficiency is one of the greatest and least known dangers ofvegetarianism. The individual who does not eat meat must be careful to fill the need for zincadequately probably thourh a tablet supplement. From Mental and Elemental Nutrients, Keatspubl, 1975 P.S. I make lentil and pea soup alot, my kids love it!

    Joan Tendler February 24, 2009 at 7:34 am

    Hi Julia and Cathy,Sorry, I have not checked back for a long time and I hope you still do. Im really happy about yourexperience with zinc-I would just like to encourage you to take manganese as well, and a littlecopper. High doses of zinc, like youre taking, actually deplete manganese as well as copper, and amanganese and functional copper deficiency could be just as problematic for hair loss. For example,manganese is required for biotin to work in the body. Copper deficiency causes rough hair, splitends, and loss of pigment-definitely something to be avoided!A telling sign of a manganese deficiency is reddish hair. Manganese is one of the least toxic of the

    trace minerals, and 5 mg/day would be no problem, especially for someone experiencing hair loss(maybe even more for a while). Getting all this in your food would be great but difficult if yourereally low, so maybe a combination of really upping zinc, manganese and copper in food (great listof food sources: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=115 ,http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=77 and http://www.whfoods.com

    /genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=53), and taking some supplements until hair loss stops wouldwork.Its easy to get out of balance when supplementing with minerals, and food provides variouscomplementary nutrients (like riboflavin B2- is essential to safely bind copper, and copper andmanganese are essential to safely bind iron, etc.) so whole foods can give you that (nuts and seeds-esp. pumpkin and sesame- and lentils-as both of you already know- are packed with all of these

    nutrients-just presoak them overnight or so before toasting or cooking and youll decrease thephytates to release the zinc).Just a word about getting zinc from meat-meat also contains high amounts of iron that is absorbedby the body whether the body can safely bind it or not, so it can become unbound and toxic, as it isin PCOS. Manganese is required to put iron into the blood, and a copper protein is an important ironcarrier, so just eating meat wont help with low-blood iron if you are low in manganese andfunctional copper (both are generally low in meat, just high in liver). Spirulina is a great source ofprotein and safe vegetable iron-I mix it into pina colada juice. Chlorella is a potent source ofcopper. I too used to be a vegetarian and I felt run down, but I also ate sugar then, which depleteszinc, so it may have been more the sugar than not taking in enough zinc. Im also much morebalanced now with a fishaterian diet, and I feel great.

    Speaking of B2, if you take copper supplements, or chlorella, you should probably take B2supplements. 200-400 mg of B2/day (in small doses spread out throughout the day) also preventsmigraine headaches, which are probably a copper problem (a friend with terrible migraines tried thisand it worked!). B2 is needed to activate B3, B6, and folic acid, plus it is low in the diet and isdepleted by chemicals, so it is a very important vitamin.One good thing about taking a few critical supplements separately, rather than one multi-vitaminand mineral pill, is that most minerals compete with each other, with macrominerals being absorbedfirst. So, if youre taking a pill that contains calcium, magnesium and other macrominerals, the zincand manganese may not even be absorbed. Plus, if you take zinc with copper, the zinc takes out thecopper, possibly depleting both (this is my own speculation, but the zinc definitely has an

    antagonistic effect on copper, I suppose the actual effect depends on how much of each is takenand what the body needs). Also, you can spread small doses of your critical minerals out over theday so its better absorbed.All my best, Joan

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    Julia March 22, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Thanks for the advice, Joan! I did not know that about manganese.

    Julia March 22, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Joan, a couple of questions for you

    In your research/reading, have you seen any reason that weight loss or anesthesia would cause amineral imbalance? Im just curious because these are the two things that precipitated weight lossfor me. First weight loss with a restrictive vegetarian diet, then surgery. Both made my hair fall outlike mad. The only thing that stopped my hair loss after surgery was zinc supplements.

    Also, have you noticed any results from your supplements? Less hair loss, better health overall,fewer migraines? Just curious! Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

    c. eldridge March 24, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Hi,

    I am a 62 yr woman and i have experienced hair loss for the past 7 to 10 years. being aafro-american when if keep my hair braided and not comb it for three months at a time,my hair willgrow, however, i am tired of wearing a wig. what test can i take to see if i am deficient of any ofthese so mentioned minerals.

    Julia March 30, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    C. Eldridge,I found out I needed more zinc by accident. I started taking the supplement and it eased my scalppeeling so quickly (and slowed how fast my hair was slowing down) that I knew my problem had

    been related to zinc. So, I dont know about blood tests. My suggestion would be to try thesupplement regimen Joan recommended and see if it helps you at all.If your hair is growing fine when you are in braids and not using a comb, maybe you are having aproblem with breakage and not with hair loss. My hair was falling out at the root. I would ratherhave breakage, personally, because you can still wear a short cut and look cute. Keep us updated, Iwish you the best with your hair growth.

    Cathy bailey April 1, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Hey gang,I tried taking biotin in large doses everyday and it really helped, but then I had breast surgery and

    leaked fluid (not blood) for a month. I supposed I should have stepped up my multivitamins andiron, because my hair started shedding and falling like crazy. I had a blood test that showed myferritin had dropped to 28!! Now Im back to where I was last year, working to get my iron up. Inow work in a health food store and have discounts on all sorts of supplements. Im going to trysupplementing with mang., cal, iron and lots of green supplements. This such a never ending battlewith me. It also seems that whenever I start a job (I work now and then) that my hair really falls. Ifstress is a factor, then I think my hair will never grow inbecause it seems Im always under stress(2 ADHD kids and an OCPD husband) Any comments, please? I also have perennialdandruf.cathy:-(

    Kris July 3, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    does anyone know if the contraception pill helps with pcos hair loss? there are too many differentanswers on the web. has it helped anyone? iam 21yrs old, not overweight and i have pcos. the onlyside effects of pcos that i have is hair loss. i still have normal periods and no facial hair, only loss of

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    hair on my scalp. can anyone help me with any answers?

    Tatyana October 1, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Julia, How many times a week do you take zinc and do you take additionally copper? I was trying totake zinc 30 mg and vitamins for hair ( that had zinc 15 already) but did not have copper and Inoticed lots of shedding, that is when I figured I was missing copper and I stopped. I am trying tofind a balance between iron supplements, I take over 100mg and zinc? I think when I started taking

    iron, (low ferritin level), plus prenatal vitamins (they have iron), it depleted my zinc so cant findthis balance. How do you balance zinc and copper and how often you take it? I read on somewebsites that you are supposed to supplement zinc only for 2 weeks.

    Emma June 4, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    I am so Glad I found this site, I have been struggling with hyperglycemia and hair loss since. Thiswas not an issue until 6 years after my hysterectomy my whole metabolism changed. I have beenchalking it all up to agingNow I see there is a culprit. I am going to read more and try to reversesome of these effects. My hair loss was the final blow I was at a scrapbooking event at work andwhen I got the pictures back there it was clean as day you could see my scalp through my thinning

    hair.. how embarrassing and sad. I had heard Zinc shampoo would help, but it did not. that whatlead me to look deeper. Thanks for being here, I know see light at the end of this hopeless tunnel.

    Kort July 15, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    sorry i couldnt help but giggle at this LaShunda 09.14.08 at 11:49 am I woke up today and Iwashed my hair and I condition it and Im so genital with ever string of my hair. .. ok grow up Iknow. thank u joan for the suggestion. funny that no ones though of it before. Ill have to give it atry. like Julia my hairloss has trippled (was already horrible but sheesh). Im on a strick low carb, lowcalorie diet and am having good success losing weight but never put two and two together to realizethe recent rise in extra hair loss could have something to do with less zinc from meat. Im notvegetarian but I eat VERY little meat like maybe 2 ounces a week. excess hair where i dont want it,not enough where i do just cant win with PCOS.

    Kort July 15, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    @Kris: if hairloss is your only symptom of PCOS, perhaps your doctor jumped the gun diagnosingyou with PCOS. Some believe that doctors are diagnosing women with PCOS when they arent

    just saying. usually 1 singular symptom is not enough to be diagnosed with a disease.

    @Emma: the difference between shampoos vs. pills/supplements could be that some mineralscannot be absorbed through the skin but instead have to be consumed. Zinc shampoos are similar to

    collagen shampoos, they dont work because as far as collagen goes it cant be absorbed through skin.its just a gimmick to get consumers to spend their money. try the new hollywood shampoo thatstars use to stay looking young. NOT! their secret to staying young looking is plastic surgery.

    arent prenatal pills supposed to be good? i know they contain iron right? ive heard women say ithelps. arent we not supposed to take too much iron? i was always kind of scared about those. do wetake them daily?

    khia October 18, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    I am so glad I found this site. I am a cosmetologist an find very often that my clients in their 40 s are

    sheddding hair. A few of them are diabetic, pcos and some are on high blood pressure meds. Imyself suffer from pcos and fertility issues and have notices hair thinning,reddish hair andbrittleness over the past few years.I started prenatial vitamins 2 months ago and the sheddingdoesnt seem as bad although I still notice an excess amount per day. Do u think zinc and

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