“ CookingwithARocketOven”

Paul Wheaton

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“ CookingwithARocketOven”

Paul Wheaton

Marjory: HelloandwelcometotheHomegrownFoodSummit.ThisisMarjoryWildcraft,yourhostandguide.ThissummitisbroughttoyoubytheGrowNetwork,whichisthepremiercommunityofpeoplewhoaregrowingtheirownfoodandmakingourownmedicine.Andofcourse,oncewegrowthatfood,thatdeliciousfood,wewanttothencookitandwehaveseveralpresentationsthisyearondifferentaspectsofcooking.AndIhopeyoureallyappreciatedthatonebyLehman'soncookingwithawoodburningstoveandtheirsisquiteabitofafancystove.Andifyouwanttogototheotherendofthespectrumandgetsomethingmuchmoreprimitive,thisnextoneisgoingtobeoncookingwitharocketstove.

ThispresentationisbroughttoyoubyPaulWheatonwhoistheselfdescribed,tyrannicaldictatorofpermies.com.ThatwebsiteisthelargestpermaculturefarmonthewebandisacertifiedMasterGardenerandPermacultureDesigner.Paul'sbuiltanempirearoundwhathecalls,infectingbrainswithpermaculture.

Inthisvideo,Paulworkswithrocketmassheaterexperts,ErnieandEricainallthingsrocketscienceandbelieveme,livinginMontana,theyhavemasteredthetechnologiestousevery,verylittlewoodtoefficientlyheathomesandcook.PaulhasbeencrownedtheDukeofPermaculturebyGeoffLawtonandtheBadBoyofPermaculturebytheOccupyMonsantoMovement.Ithinkthat'sactuallyquiteacredentialisn'tit?AndPaulyouknowhasaplaceoutinMontanawhereyoucangovisitandtheyhostworkshopsandnaturalbuildingexperiencesallthetime.It'scalledWheatonLabs.

Wellhere'sthispresentationonhowtocookwitharocketstove.FounditreallyfascinatingandIwassurprisedathowquicklyitheatsup.

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Speaker1: We'vebeenbakingbetween300and400foralotstufflikecakesandcornbreadandbreadandthatkindofthing,andgenerallywewereabletodoanovenloadofstuffonlessthanthreepoundsofwood.

Speaker2: Wow.

Speaker1: Rightnow,thisisthreepounds11ounces,soclosertolike

Speaker2: Well,we'regoingtohaveamuchhotterovenbecauseourplanispizza.

Speaker1: Yeah.So,forpizzaalotoftimeswe'llturn,likeifwe'redoingthincrustwe'llturntheovenuptolike500.

Speaker2: Yeah.

Speaker1: AndthatmeansI'mgoingtobeputtinginalittlebitmorewoodtokeepitat500thanIwouldtokeepitat350.

Speaker2: Yeah.

Speaker1: It'spizzatime.Wehavejustunderfivepoundsofwood,threepounds,twopoundstenounces.We'regonnaseehowmuchwoodittakestogettheovenupto500degrees.

Speaker2: Forpizza.

Speaker1: Yeah,forpizza.

Speaker2: Pizza

It'saprofessionalfirestarteronaclosedcourse.

Speaker1: Sothefireisalreadygoingandit'srightnowit'sjusteatingthelittletinyshavingsandkindle.I'mprobablyjustgonnakeepitonthetinykindlingforawhilebecausewejustwanttorampitwayup.Weareaboutfourminutesin,we'regonnatakethetemperature.Stillcooldownatthebottom,thefireisjuststartingtocatchthewoodatthebackinthefirebox.

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Speaker2: Okay.

Speaker1: We'renineminutesin,let'sseehowwearedoingontemperature.Wearebetween200and250.

Soitisawoodfiredoven,thewoodgoesinhere,firegoessidewaysandupcomesaroundtheoven.It'sawhiteovenmeaningthesmokedoesn'tgointheovenwithyourfood,itgoesaroundtheoutsidecomesbackdownandthenitgoestothechimney.So,itburnsrelativelysmokelessanditburnsonverysmallwood.Butit'snotjustpizza,youcanbakecakesandbreadsandcornbread.Wedidroasts,itwaslikearoastandtwodifferentkindsofvegetablesandtheyhadsomekindofdessertintheretoolikeacobblerorsomething.Idon'trememberexactlywhatallitwasbutitwaslikefourpansoffoodthatcameoutoftheovenandwehadn'tevenputthatmuchwoodin.

Speaker2: Justalittlepile.

Speaker1: Weareat475.

Speaker2: 475,Ithinkwecouldputapizzainthere.

Speaker1: Yeah,let'sdoit.

Speaker2: Alright.

Speaker1: Wehavesomelovelypizzas...

Speaker2: Ohthosearelovely.

Speaker1: withsomeofthegorgeous2018CrawfordMorels.

Speaker2: It'sinthere.Ohmygoodnessthatpoorpizza.Yeah.

Speaker1: Whatdoyouthink?Alittlelonger?

Speaker2: Ithinkalittlelonger.

Speaker1: Alright,Iamgonnacallthisonedone.

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Speaker2: Alright,okay.Lessthantwentyfiveminutes,fromcoldoventohandingpeoplepizza.

Speaker1: Thatmeansyoucouldtellyourfamilydinnerwillbeinhalfanhour.

Speaker2: Right

Speaker1: Don'trushme!Andyoucaneatthefirsttwopizzas.

Speaker2: Theywon't,they'llneverknow.

Speaker1: Ohasidefromthelikethesauce.

Speaker2: They'llneverknow,yeahexceptforthesaucedrippingdownyourchin.

Yummy.

Pizza.

Speaker1: Thatcrustisreallygood.

Speaker2: Excellent.

Speaker1: It'sgettingthatcrispythingandthereallysoftthingatthesametime.

Speaker2: Softontheinside,crispyontheoutside.Justlikewelikeit!

Speaker1: JustlikeIlikeit.

Speaker2: Muah!

Speaker1: Ohwefoundwewereabletobakeeightpizzaswithfivepoundsofwood.

Speaker2: Yes

Speaker1: Abunchofbread

Speaker2: Inahalfanhour.

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Speaker1: Inhalfanhour.

Speaker2: Inhalfanhour.

Speaker1: Wewereabletocyclethepizzasthrough

Speaker2: Yeah,prettyfast

Speaker1: Twoatatimeandhadeightpizzasbakedinthat

Speaker2: Right

Speaker1: Actuallywehad

Speaker2: Fouratatime

Speaker1: Fourinthatlastbatch.

Speaker2: Itwasfouratatime

Speaker1: Itwastwo,twoandthenfour.Sowehadthreecyclesbyhalfhourintothebaking,Imeanintothe

Speaker2: Yes,andtheyweredeliciouspizzas.

Youreallycan'tdoalowtemperaturewiththisoven.

Speaker1: No,youcan!

Speaker2: Really,howlowdoyouthinkyoucouldmakethisgo?

Speaker1: Theyweredoingkalechipsinitandholdingitbelow200.

Speaker2: Oh,wow!

Speaker1: Andgettingreallydeliciouskalechips.So,so,yeah,butitwas,youknowittookalittlebitoffiddling.

Speaker2: Soyeah,howdoyou,soyouhad,sowhenyouwanttolowerthetemperatureyou'regonnahaveasmallerairopening?

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Speaker1: I'mguessing.Yeah,I'mguessingtheyshuttheairdownandhadeithertwoverysmallsticksorjustlikeonestickatatime.Causetwo,onceyou'vegotitupto350,twostickskindling,aboutlikethat,willholditat350.

Speaker2: Yeah,okay

Speaker1: Threetofourofthemwillholditat400.Aboutfivestickswillholditat500.It'salmostlikemath.

Speaker2: Ohmygoodness.

Speaker1: Youknowandyoujusthavetocalibratetothesizeofstickthatworksforyou.

Speaker2: Andthetypeofwood.

Speaker1: Yeah.We'reusingjustwhateverischeaparoundherepine,fir,scrapsfromthemill.Youcouldeasilyrunthisonanykindofwoodyouhavethat'swhywe'recountinginpounds,likewhereeightpizzaswasaboutfivepoundsofwood.Thatmeansyoucouldusefivepoundsofhardwoodorfivepoundofpineaslongasit'sdryyouaregettingthesameheatvaluesoit'scomparative.It'sscience.

Speaker2: Whenyouopenthedoor,howmuchdoyouthinkthetempgoesdown?

Speaker1: IfIholditopenformuchlongerthanthat,I'llseeitdrop25to50degrees.ButIcan,youknow,Icanopenitlongenoughtoexchangetothepansofpizzaanditseems...

Speaker2: Toholditprettywell.

Speaker1: tokeepholdingitabouttherighttemperature.

Speaker2: You'vebeenbakinginthisthingforsometimenow.

Speaker1: Yeah,I've,we'vejustbeenusingitthelastfewweeksforthisworkshop,butwedidalittlebitwithpreviousworkshopstoo.Thistimewe'vejustgonenutswithit,it'sjustbeenlikeafavoritetofeed

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people.So,wehaveabouttenpeopleintheworkshop.We'vedonebread,Idon'tknowhowmanytimes,probablyatleasthalfadozendifferentbreads.Oneofthemwaslikeabreakfastraisinloafandoneofthemwaslikeagarlicbread,couple,youknowwedidabunchofgarlicbreadtogowithapastanight.Atonepoint,wedidsomecornbreadtogowithchili.

Speaker2: Yum

Speaker1: Weactuallycookedsomeofthestewsinitlikeyouwouldacasserole.

Speaker2: Oh,okay.

Speaker1: Therewasonemealwheretheyhadliketwoorthreedifferentcastironlikedeepdishvegetablethingsgoingonwitharoastandthatwasimpressivecausemorefoodcameoutoftheoventhanwoodwentintothefirebox.

Speaker2: Right,youcookedmorepoundsoffoodthanuse,youburntwood.

Speaker1: Yeah!

Speaker2: That'snice!

Speaker1: Whichyoucando!

Speaker2: Yeah

Speaker1: Yeah,it'slikekindofmindboggling.Likedoesitreallyworkthatway?Yeah.

Speaker2: Itcan,wow.

Speaker1: Youcancapturealltheheatormostit.Andthenwecookedourcakesaswell,wehadgalonsitethathadsomedeliciousbakingexperienceandsoshe'dmakeuscakebatterandwewouldbakeit.Wehaduhorangeandchocolateganachecakeatonepoint,wehadonethatwasalmostlikeaspicecakewithlikeaberrycompote,soitwasalmostlikeaberryglaze.

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Speaker2: Oh,thatsoundsgood.

Speaker1: Wehadabunchofcookies.Wehadpeanutbuttercookiesandsomesortofsconelikethings.

Speaker2: Sowhenyouaredoingcookies,istheheatprettyevenfromonesidetotheother?Iknowthatyouweresayingit'shotteratthetopshelf.

Speaker1: Yeah,itisslightlyhotterontopshelfsothingswillgoalittlefasteronthetop.

Speaker2: Right

Speaker1: Andthisparticularoventhereislikeonehotspotinthefarbackcorner.So,if,andthatmayjustdependon,we'vegotsomebricksinthebottomtokindofspreadtheheatoutandtheremightjustbealittlespotwithoutit'sbrickbackthere.Ihaven'treallypokedaroundandlooked.

Speaker2: Okay

Speaker1: Butsoifyouweredoingthisovenforyourself,Iwouldrecommend,starting,whenyouarefirstgettingusedtoit,withlikeacookiesheet,parchmentpaperandlikelittledotsofcookiedoughorlittledotsofcookiebatter.

Speaker2: Right,causeit'llshowyou

Speaker1: Evenjustlikeflourandoil,justsomethingtolookatwhatgetsbrownfirstandsoifyouhaveahotspotthat'sgonnaturnonethingblackbeforetheotherthinggetsbrown,finditandthendon'tstickyourcakeinthatcorner.

Speaker2: Andthendon't,yeah,likeleavethatcornerempty.

Speaker1: Yeah,no,it'sgotthreeracksandImeanthetypicalthingformostthingslikecookiesyoujustrotatethepanifyouhadanunevencycleinyouroven.I,mightevenbereallysimpletojustputyouknow,sort

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ofasmoothlayerof[inaudible00:08:40]insteadofthebricksandthenyouwouldn'thaveasmanylittlewindowsofextrahot.

Speaker2: Isupposeyoucould

Speaker1: Sothere'salotofwaystodoit,tofixit,butjustknowingyourovenispartoftheprocessanywhere,youknowifit'srunsalittlehotorcoldorhowmanysticksdoesittaketoholdtemperature.

Speaker2: Rightandthenit'salways,it'sgiveandtake,themoremassyouhaveintheretheslowerit'sgonnabetoheatup.

Speaker1: We'realmostready.

Speaker2: Andwe'regoingforfastheatupso.

Speaker1: Sothis,yeah,thisovendoesnothavealotofthermalmassbesidesthatlittlebitofbricksinthebottomandsoifyou'renotfeedingitwood,itwillcooldown.

Speaker2: Butthat'snice,thatmeansthatyoucanleaveittoo,likewhenthepartyisoveryoudon'thavetoworryaboutahotthing.

Speaker1: Right,it'snotlikesomebodyisgonnasticktheirhandinthereandgethurt.

Speaker2: Right

Speaker1: Youknow.About,whatwouldyousay,twentyminutestilit'scoolthatyou'relike"OhIletitcooldownIhavetostartitalloveragain."

Speaker3: Youwantmetoanswerthat?

Speaker1: Howlongwouldyousay?

Speaker3: Reallyquickbecausethedoordoesn'tclose.

Speaker1: Oh,ifyouleavethedooropenthenitcoolsdownreallysuperfast.

Speaker2: Oh,okay.

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Speaker1: Pullingthebiscuitsoutandwe'regonnarearrangethingsalittlebit.Sotheoveniscloseto500causethat'swhathappenswhenyoupilewoodintomakeitgofaster.Theseonesarealittleonthebrownsidebutstilltasty.Theseoneslook,oh,justaboutperfect.

Speaker4: Ohyes

Speaker1: Thosearethesugaryones.

Speaker4: Iwantthoseones.

Speaker1: Iwillkeepmorepeopleawayfromthese.Andthiswasinthelowpartoftheovenandbecauseit'sawhiteoven,meaningitdoesn'tgetsootinsideit,there'snofirerighthere,it'sallbeingheatedfromupthere,theseonesmaynothaveactuallyreachedthetemperaturewantthemtoreach.Thisonelooksalmostdone,wewilllettherestofthemgobackinherejustascoschemoregetthembrown.

Justsoyouknowforyourbakinglesson,partofthebrowningonthesewasjustalightcoatingofmilkandsprinklingofsugaronthem.Thoseonesbrownthatwaybecausetheygothotenough,thisoneisjustbarelybrown,butthat,likeifyouarecaramelizingtheflourit'salittlemoreworktogetittobrown,ifyoubrushitwithmilkoreggthenyouget,likethere'salittlemoresugarthereanditwillbrownalittleeasier.Soit'sabakerstricktomakethemlookreallyattractive.

Speaker5: Let'stakeoutdinnertonight.[crosstalk00:11:02]IwilltellyouafterItakeoutdinnertonight.Sowe'vegotsomepotro,porklointhat'swhatitis.Whatelsewegot?We'vegotsomepotatoes.AndthenI'vegotsomeoatsthatarecooking,notquitedonebutthey'reforbreakfastandcookieslater.[inaudible00:11:30]

Speaker4: Forvegans.

Speaker6: Pretty.Thesearepretty.

Speaker5: SoIhavetearedthescalesothatyoucanseehowmuchwoodweusedinonebatchinthatRocketOven.Andit'saboutthreepounds,threeouncesandyoucanjust,we'vechoppeditintokindlingthat

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wayitburnshotandfastandcleanandthat'snotthatmuchwoodasyoucansee.Butwecangetto350degreesandpreheatthatoveninaboutfifteenminutescomparabletoanymoderndayovenIbelieve.Soandthat'sabouthowmuchwillfitrightinthereandtokeepittotemperatureweonlyputaboutoneortwosticksinatatimeafteritburnsthatfirstbatch.

Speaker4: Sowe'regettingreadytofireupthisRocketstovepoweredoven.We'vegotsomelittlewoodinhereandsomecardboardstuffand...

You'llnoticewe'rejustbarelystarting,we'vealreadygotaprettygoodrushofairandyoucanseethelittlebitofparticulatematterfromthecardboardcomingoutbutyoucanseenosmokeeventhoughwejuststartedthisthingbecausewehaveaverysmallinsulatedfireboxthatburnsveryhotandveryclean.SoweareconvertingasmuchaswepossiblycanofthiswoodintoheatthatwecanthencookourfoodwithandJocelynisgonnamakelasagnawiththisthingwhichisveryexciting.

Speaker6: Wearemakingspaghettiflavoredcake,Paul'sfavoritelasagna.ThisoneisaglutenfreeversionwiththecheesesthatPaulisallowedtohaveandit'sgotlambsquartersfromandthenwehaveaveganversion,alsowiththelambsquarters,withwheatnoodles.Becausewearefeedingalotofpeopleweneededtwo.Spaghettiflavoredcake.

Usuallylasagnabakesat350andMud'sbeenworkingonimprovingsomeofthefrontofthisandgotitgoingforusandhealsoinstalledatemperaturegaugeinthedoor,whichfluctuatesalotwhenweopenthedoor,butwe'veoneonthedoor,oneinside.Sowe'vebeenopeningthedoorandslowingdownthewoodfeedtocoolitoffalittlebitsowegettothat350forthelasagna.Wewantthespaghettiflavoredcaketocookabouthalfanhour,fortyfiveminutes.IknowthatfromEricaandFred'sandotherpeopleexperimentsthatsometimesthelowerrackcooksalittleslowerwemightneedtofliptheseafterabouttwentyminutes,tradethemaroundalittlebit.Butthat'swhatyoudoinaregularoventoo.Alotoftimesyouneedto

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tradethingsaround.Andyeah,we'llalsobepoppingsomesausagesinonthethirdracktheresowewillbefeedingacrowd.

Okay.Soweputtheveganoneinthemiddleandtheglutenfreeoneonthebottom.Paulcanhavemozzarellacheeseandwefoundthisdeliciousalmondmilkricottasothosearetwocheeseshecanhave.Sothespaghettiflavoredcakemakeshimveryhappy.

Ohyes,Iwillputchickensausagesintheretoo.ThesausageswillgoalotquickerthanthelasagnasoIwantedtoputthemintowardstheend.

Theexternaltemperaturegaugelooksgood.We'regonnatakeapeek.Ohlook,thosesausageslookgreat.They'regettingbrown,justhowwelikeandohyoucansmellem.Andyoucansmellthespaghettiflavoredcake.Iamgoingtotakethefoiloff.Mud'sbeenworkingonthisoverheresodon'thavemysideboardavailable.Thisistheveganone,wedidalittlebitofatoppingwithpinenutsandoliveoil.Lookatthat,exactlyat350insideandlookatthelasagnabubblingawayrightbythetemperaturegauge.Yeahthatlasagnalooksgreat,Ijustwanttobrownthetopsalittlebit.Somebodymighthavetocleanthecheeseoffthatfoil.Youknowitwouldatough,toughjobforsomebody.

We'lljustgetthatbrownedalittlebitandthetemperaturedidn'tevendropthatmuch.It'spumpingoutgoodheatuphere.WhenIswitchedthelasagnaswhenitwasabouthalfwaythroughitlookedliketherewerejustafewcoalsleftintheburnchambersowehadsomemorescrapfromthewoodshopandIput,Ithinkthreepiecesofscrapinthewoodshopanditcookedthelasagnastheotherhalfofthewayandwe'vestillgotplentyofwoodintheretofinishoffbrowningthetopsofthosewithjustafewsticksofwoodanditstayedatalovelytemperature.

It'stime.Icanonlycarryoneatatime.Butohitsmellsgood.

Marjory: Wellifyou'reinspiredbythat,andyouwouldliketolearnhowtobuildoneandthenalsotodoalotmorecookingonthem,ifyouclickonthebuttontotheright,thereisaDVDsetwhereErnieandErica

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andPaulshowyouhowtobuildoneofthesethingsandthenofcourse,moreonhowtocookwiththem.Iwasreallyimpressed.Imean,it'squiteanamazingdeviceandboysuchlittlefuelandagain,Iwasamazedathowquicklythatfoodheatedupinthere.Soohyummy,yummy.

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