Volume IV r MondayNo. 31 1 ; : = ! 17th December, 1962

PA R L I AMENTA RYD E B ATES

DEWAN RA'AYAT(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS

EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 32441

BILL :

The Supply Bill, 1963

Committee of Supply (Tenth Allotted Day)

Head S. 25 [Col. 31951

Heads S. 26, S. 27 and S.28 [Col. 3209]

Heads S . 29, S. 30, S. 31, S. 32, S. 33, S. 34, S. 35,S. 36, S. 37 and S. 38 [Col. 3240]

Heads S. 39 and 5.40 [Col. 32921

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN

OLEH THOR BEND CHONG , A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN

PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MFLAYU

1963

FEDERATION OF MALAYA

DEWAN RA'AYAT

(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

Official Report

Fourth Session of the First Dewan Ra`ayat

Monday, 17th December, 1962

The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT :

The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence andMinister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAKBIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan).

the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of theInterior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN,P.M.N. (Johor Timor).

„ the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SLEW SIN, J.P.(Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications,DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives,ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).

„ the Minister of Health , ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI

TALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Education, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHANBIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Baang Padang).

the Minister without Portfolio, ENCHE' ABDUL AZIZ BINISHAK (Kuala Langat).

the Assistant Minister of the Interior,ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).

the Assistant Minister of Labour and Social Welfare,ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Kiang).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry,TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN(Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting,ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N . (Melaka Utara).„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, P.J.K . (Krian Laut).„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani).

„ TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF

(Kuala Kangsar).

„ TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S.(Segamat Utara).

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The Honourable TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J.(Johor Bahru Barat).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD. NOOR (Besut).

ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHAN SWEE HO (Ulu Kinta).ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar).

ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.

(Jitra-Padang Terap).ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling).

„ ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).

TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN(Kota Bharu Hulu).

ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM(Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Bata Pahat).

ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI Mom. SIDEK (Dungun).

ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG (Rawang).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).

ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HMI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD. DAHAN (Ulu Perak).

DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI ,9 P.J.K.(Pasir Mas Hulu).

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The Honourable ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh).

„ Nix MAN BIN Nix MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

„ ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

„ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID (Rembau-Tampin).

„ ENCHE' SEAR TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

„ TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.(Batu Pahat Dalam).

TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K.(Sabak Bernam).

„ TUAN SYED JA`AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N.(Johor Tenggara).

„ ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K . (Larut Utara).ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan).

„ ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong).„ TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHIJM SULTAN

IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan).

DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE' Too JooN HING (Teluk Anson).

ENCHE' V. VEERAP'PEN (Seberang Selatan).WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K. (Kota Star Selatan).

„ WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman).

ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh).

ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan).

PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S.(Pontian Selatan).

„ TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI Mom. TAIB (Langat).

„ ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).

ABSENT :

The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR,S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B ., P.I.S., J.P.

the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs andMinister of Information and Broadcasting, Y.T.M. TUNKUABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah).

the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' SULAIMAN BIN DATO'HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P .M.N. (Muar Selatan).

„ the Minister of Transport , DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJIJUBIR, P.M.N . (Pontian Utara).

„ the Minister without Portfolio, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN,P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare,ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEEAUN, J .P. (Larut Selatan).

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The Honourable ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara).

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ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Pant).

ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu Gajah).

ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N. (Sepang).

ENCHE' LIM JOO KONG, J.P. (Alor Star).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEw (Dato Kramat).

ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD. ALI(Kuala Selangor).

TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).

ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru).

WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ALI (Kelantan Hillr).

IN ATTENDANCE :

The Honourable the Minister of Justice , TUN LEONG YEW KOH, S.M.N.

PRAYERS

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

BILL

THE SUPPLY BILL, 1963

Order read for resumed considerationin Committee of Supply (Tenth AllottedDay).

House immediately resolved itselfinto Committee of Supply.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

SCHEDULE

Head S. 25Debate resumed on Question :

That the sum of $96,793,044 forHead S. 25 stand part of the Schedule.

Che' Khadijah binti Mohd. Sidek(Dungun) : Tuan Pengerusi, saya hen-dak berchakap dalam bahagian PublicHealth Services sa-bagaimana yang ter-sebut di-dalam Sub-head 24. Sayaperhatikan peruntokan bagi tahun 1963lebeh kurang sama dengan tahun yanglalu. Saya fikir untok kepentinganra`ayat di-kampong2 peruntokan iniharus di-tambah supaya kesihatanorang kampong itu dapat di-jaga, tetapikalau peruntokan dalam hal ini di-kurangkan, maka kesihatan orange

kampong harus akan di-chuaikan dari-pada biasa, dan orang kampong akanbanyak pergi ka-hospital. Oleh ituuntok menjaga supaya kesihatan me-reka itu terjamin dan untok men-jauhkan penyakit, maka saya fikirperuntokan di-dalam bahagian inipatut-fah di-lebehkan.

Sekarang saya hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan Assistant Nurses di-dalam Item (378). Beberapa hari yanglalu Ahli2 Yang Berhormat di-sabelahsana mengatakan bahawa kekurangannurse di-hospital itu di-sebabkan olehkeadaan masharakat orang Melayudan muballigh Islam yang mengong-kong anak perempuan kita. Saya fikir,Tuan Pengerusi, perkara itu tidak adakena-mengena dengan soal ini, dansaya menafikan. Saya berpendapat ke-kurangan nurses di-dalam hospital ituis-lah di-sebabkan Kerajaan masehmendewakan2 bahasa Inggeris, danmereka itu hendak-lah mempunyaicredit dalam bahasa Inggeris.

Di-dalam Dewan yang bertuah inidahulu saya ada membawa satu cha-dangan berkenaan dengan AssistantNurse dan Nurse is-itu memintakapada Kerajaan mengambil chalun ituhendak-lah lulus daripada SekolahRendah Melayu. Erti-nya sa-telahmurid2 itu tamat daripada sekolahMelayu di-ambil untok belajar AssistantNurse mi.

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Dan kalau sa-kira-nya huj ah yangsudah2 saya ada dengar bahawa kitabelum mempunyai buku2 yang chukupuntok pelaj aran di-dalam soul Nursingini yang ada dalam bahasa Melayu,kalau itu -lah alasan lagi daripadapehak Kerajaan, Tuan Pengerusi, makasaya mengatakan ajar-lah dua atautiga tahun budak2 ini belajar pelajaranAssistant Nurse dalam pada itu di-naikkan dia menjadi Nurse dan dalampada itu di-ajar -lah mereka itu is-itupelajaran yang tertentu bagi mempela-jari Bahasa Inggeris . Jadi dalam masayang sesuai pada fikiran Kerajaankalau sa-kira-nya Assistant Nurse da-lam tiga tahun maka dua tiga tahununtok Nurse maka mereka boleh akanterus, Tuan Pengerusi . Sebab sayaberpendapat kalau Keraj aan bersung-goh2 hendak merasmikan bahasaMelayu dan bersunggoh2 untok mem-buktikan supaya bahasa Melayu itusatu Bahasa yang utama di-dalamnegeri kita ini. Saya melihat, TuanPengerusi , pada masa yang sudah2is-itu masa Jepun memerentah di-sini,baharu sahaja Jepun masok, Jepuntidak mahu mendengar Bahasa Inggerisatau bahasa2 penjajah di-negara2 yanglain, dia mahu bahasa -nya di-utamakanmaka di-lateh -nya murid2 itu dalam6 bulan mereka boleh mahir dalambahasa Jepun. Maka murid2 ini di-ambil-nya untok bahagian sekolahtinggi untok masok Nurse dan sa-bagai-nya. Dan bukti -nya nampak sayasangat memuaskan hati, Tuan Penge-rusi.

Bagitu ju,ga saya melihat sa-masasaya dahulu salah sa-orang guru di-Indonesia , Tuan Pengerusi , saya me-lihat juga bagaimana anak2 yangdi-dalam Sekolah Belanda itu di-tinggalkan oleh Jepun di-ambil anak2yang belajar walaupun di-dalam pela-jaran yang rendah dalam SekolahMelayu tetapi mahir dalam bahasaJepun di-pileh -nya dan di -masokkanuntok menjadi Nurse dan AssistantNurse atau untok menjadi guru tinggiyang memerlukan memakai bahasaJepun dan hasil-nya juga saya nampakmemuaskan , jadi di -paksakan sadikit.Nampak saya di-sini bahasa Melayukita belum lagi bagitu pesat perjalanan-nya sebab mulai tahun 1957 sampai-lah

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pada hari ini sudah 5 tahun, TuanPengerusi , nampak-nya perbezaan un-tok memujukan anak2 dalam Sekolah2Melayu itu belum berapa lagi. Jadisaya minta supaya kalau betul2 sunggohkita hendak membanyakkan anak2Melayu di-dalam Jururawat atau Peno-long Jururawat ini tidak ada lain j alanlagi, Tuan Pengerusi , kalau masehdi-pertandingkan sa-bagaimana yangsudah2 tentu-lah sa-kali anak2 Melayutidak akan dapat dudok di-dalamjawatan Jururawat ini. Jadi bukan ke-salahan-nya kapada masharakat orangMelayu yang tidak melepaskan anak2perempuan -nya atau kapada muballighIslam yang maseh mengkongkongkeluaran anak2 mereka itu . Di-sini sayaboleh mengatakan kalau sa-kira-nyaKerajaan mahu menerima anak2 ber-kelulusan darjah VI atau darjah khasdalam darjah VII untok PenolongJururawat atau untok Jururawat sayasedia untok menj amin berapa yang di-kehendaki oleh Keraj aan saya akanpergi ka-kampong2 untok menchari-nya. Kalau sa-kira -nya kata saudara2Yang Berhormat yang mengatakanbahawa kongkongan itu datang dariibu bapa orange Melayu sendiri, initidak benar , Tuan Pengerusi. Sayayakin betul banyak anak2 itu sampaimenangis bila pergi interview, balekka-rumah menangis kerana tidak dapatmemasoki apa yang di-kehendaki olehanak2 perempuan kita itu. Sebab kalaukita maseh mengambil murid2 yangberkelulusan daripada School Certifi-cate atau yang lepasan senior, TuanPengerusi , memang sangat sadikit sa-kali harapan bagi anak2 kita orangeMelayu. Kerana yang masok ka-sanaitu hanya sa-gelintir sahaja is-itu darianak2 orange kaya atau dari orangeyang berkebolehan sahaj a. Sedangkansa-bahagian besar daripada anak2perempuan Melayu hanya mendudokisa-takat Sekolah Rendah di-kampong2is-itu Sekolah Rendah Melayu sahaja.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya dengar uchapanMenteri Yang Berhormat is-itu hen-dak memberikan penerangan di-kam-pong2 supaya orange kampong dapatmengusahakan makanan2 yang berzat.mi sangat saya setujul sa-kali, TuanPengerusi, kerana dengan memberikanpenerangan2 yang Iuas kapada ra`ayat

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di-kampong2 , makanan yang manamempunyai zat yang bagus untokkesihatan tetapi saya berharap supayaj angan-lah Pegawai2 Penerangan itunanti memberikan penerangan kapadaorange kampong bahawa makananyang berzat banyak is-lah yang berupakeju atau yang berupa mentega, telordan sa-bagai -nya. Tetapi , Tuan Penge-rusi , hendak-lah penerangan2 ini di-berikan benda2 yang dapat di-usahakanatau yang dapat di-beli oleh orangekampong berpadanan dengan keadaankehidupan mereka is -itu dengan mem-berikan keterangan saperti sayor bayammithal-nya yang banyak mempunyaizat besi dan memberi perbezaan antaraudang kering dengan udang yangbaharu di -tangkap dari laut bagaimanamembezakan bitamin yang banyak danbitamin yang sadikit, Tuan Pengerusi.Kalau -lah sa-kira -nya dengan mem-berikan pandangan2 sa-bagaimana yangdi-lakukan pada hari ini memberikanpelaj aran kapada anak2 kita mithal-nyadi-dalam pelajaran soal rumah tangga,bitamin ini yang banyak is-lah di-dalam mentega , di-dalam keju, kuehini, kueh itu mithal -nya, Tuan Penge-rusi , sedangkan ini memang kitaakui bitamin-nya banyak tetapi harga-nya sangat tinggi dan tidak dapatdi-punyai oleh orange kampong. Jadidi-dalam soal ini hendak-lah pene-rangan2 itu di-berikan persesuaiandengan kehidupan ra`ayat di-kampong2-.

Satu lagi, Tuan Pengerusi , kita mem-punyai kekurangan doctor2 di-dalamnegeri mi. Saya ada juga mendengaris-itu rungutan2 dari doctor2 ini sa-hingga ada di-antara mereka yanglebeh suka membuka practice sendirierti-nya membuka perniagaan sendiri,ada-lah di-sebabkan kerana di-satu2Hospital itu doctor sangat kurang yangsa-patut-nya memakai dua tiga orangdoctor hanya sa-orang doctor sahajadan di-banjiri oleh beratus2 bahkanbarangkali sampai meningkat ribupatient satu hari . Kerana terlalu banyakpatient yang datang itu doctor itu jugaterpaksa membahagi2kan waktu-nya.Kalau sa-kira -nya di-banyakkan masadi-buat-nya sa-chara betul2 memereksasa-orang patient itu hanya dapat di-pereksa barangkali sa-bahagian dari-pada patient2 itu terpaksa di-tolak.

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Jadi kerana hendak memuaskan hatiorang ramai kadang2 pemereksaan itutidak memuaskan kapada si-sakitkerana ini menyebabkan si-sakit itumengadakan complaint2 pula.

Jadi ini-lah yang menyebabkan ke-banyakan Doctor2 itu, Tuan Pengerusi,ker ja-nya banyak dan dia chuba meng-usahakan supaya dapat mengubatkandan memuaskan hati ra`ayat yangdatang dari jauh, tetapi kadang2 adara`ayat2 itu kerana tidak merasa puashati dan kadang2 mendapat ubat tidakberapa baik, kena complain itu semua-nya di-jatohkan kapada diri Doctoritu. Jadi ini, Tuan Pengerusi, bukan-lah kesalahan Doctor itu dan ra`ayatitu, tetapi itu ada-lah di-sebabkankerana tenaga Doctor itu sangat kurang,jadi ini hendak-lah harus di-fikirkandengan sunggoh2 oleh Keraj aan kitasupaya Doctor2 banyak di-tambah lagisupaya mendapat pembahagian kesi-hatan orange kampong.

Mr Chairman : Ahli2 Yang Berhor-mat, saya mengingatkan is-itu padapukul 10.30 saya hendak memberipeluang kapada Menteri untok men-jawab segala hujjah daripada Ahli2yang berchakap tadi. Saya harap pen-dekkan sahaja.

Che' Khadijah bind Mohd. Sider:Terima kaseh, Tuan Pengerusi, sayachuba merengkaskan-nya. Saya jugamembawa ka-pengetahuan KementerianKesihatan yang berkenaan, saya rasaitu termasok di-dalam KementerianPerdagangan juga, tetapi juga perludi-dalam Kementerian Kesihatan. Di-dalam kotak2 ubat yang di-perbuatdalam Tanah Melayu ini, Tuan Penge-rusi, saya dapati di-dalam sa-buahkotak Vitamin C yang di-perbuat di-Petaling Jaya. Di-sini hanya duabahasa sahaja yang di-pakai keranabagaimana chara-nya memakai ubatmi. Satu dalam bahasa Inggeris dansatu dalam bahasa China, tidakada Bahasa kebangsaan di-pakai olehFactory itu. Jadi kalau-lah orangMelayu di-kampong2 yang membelikemudian memakan terbanyak bolehmembahayakan jiwa kapada orangyang membeli itu. Saya merasa harus-lah Kementerian kita ini mengambiltindakan yang tegas kapada perusahaan

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ubat itu bahawa menyatakan is-itupengeluaran2 kerana perusahaan itutidak mengambil indah sadikit punpada hal bahawa kebangsaan kitaagong2kan untok memakai-nya, tetapisengaj a di-tinggalkan tidak di-pakaioleh perusahaan itu. Jadi ini di-nyatakan Tuan Pengerusi, perusahaanitu tidak mengambil peduli akan se-ruan2 daripada pehak Kerajaan.

Di-dalam soal Health Inspector,Tuan Pengerusi, di-sini saya juganampak bahawa jumlah Health Ins-pector daripada tahun yang laludi-kurangkan, jadi saya dukachita di-dalam soal ini sa-harus-nya HealthInspector itu di-tambah supaya keadaanpemereksaan untok kepentingan kesi-hatan di-kampong2 dapat di-usahakan,tetapi nampak-nya hal ini ada-lah di-kurangkan daripada tahun yang lalu,saya minta juga kapada Kementerianyang berkenaan supaya memberikanpenjelasan kenapa Health Inspectortelah di-kurangkan daripada tahun yangsudah2.

The Minister of Health (Enche'Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib) : TuanPengerusi, dalam perbahathan atasanggaran belanjawan 1963 untok Ke-menterian Kesihatan ramai ahli2 yangberchakap atas perkara itu. Mengikutanalisa yang saya buat uchapan2 Ahli2Yang Berhormat itu boleh-lah di-bahagikan kapada tiga pechahan yangbesar. Yang pertama is-lah uchapan2yang memberi tegoran2 yang membena,bahagian yang kedua is-lah kechaman2yang tidak berasas, bahagian yangketiga is-lah rayuan bagi faedah satu2tempat atau atas sa-suatu perkara.Dalarn masa yang singkat yang di-untokkan bagi saya men j awab pan-dangan2 yang telah di-kemukakan olehAhli2 Yang Berhormat, maka tidakdapat-lah saya menjawab-nya satu per-satu. Tetapi walau bagaimana pun sayaakan memberikan keterangan2 atasperkara2 yang besar yang telah di-nyata-kan atau yang telah di-bawa oleh Ahli2Yang Berhormat di-dalam Dewan mi.

Kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yangmendatangkan tegoran2 yang membena,saya uchapkan berbanyak terima kaseh.Saya akan gunakan tegoran2 itu sa-bagai panduan bagi saya mengendali-

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kan Kementerian itu. Ka-dalam gulo-ngan yang membena itu saya masokkansemua Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yangtelah mendatangkan shore supaya di-banyakkan lagi bilangan2 HospitalJajahan atau Daerah, dan bagi Hospital2Daerah yang ada di-tambahkan bilangankaki-Langan-nya, di-baiki lagi perkhid-matan kereta2 ubat ka-kampong2, di-tambah lagi bilangan Pusat2 Kesihatan.`Am-nya di-perbaiki lagi perkhidmatanperubatan di-dalam semua lapangan.Tuan Pengerusi, makin ramai Ahli2Yang Berhormat berchakap berkenaandengan Kementerian ini makin mengu-atkan lagi keperchayaan saya bahawadasar `am dan keutamaan2 yang telahsaya bentangkan dalam Dewan initatkala saya mengemukakan belanja-wan tahun 1963 ada-lah di-susunmengikut landasan2 yang betul. Sayatelah mengemukakan keutamaan2 sa-perti berikut, pertama ranchanganmelateh pegawai2 yang akan di-per-besarkan dan di-perkemaskan lagi.

Kedua, ranchangan meluaskan per-khidmatan perubatan ka-kawasan2 luarbandar akan di-perbaiki lagi.

Ketiga, memperbanyak dan meluas-kan lagi hospital2 di-daerah ataujajahan.

Keempat, membaiki perkhidmatan2out-patient department.

Tuan Pengerusi, keutamaan yangpertama, is-itu ranchangan melatehpegawai2 ada-lah menjadi kunchi ka-pada berjaya atau tidak-nya keutamaan'-yang lain; maka dengan sebab itu-lahtatkala saya mengemukakan belanjawanbagi Kementerian ini, saya telah me-nyatakan demikian; dan bagi memba-harui ingatan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat,saya suka dengan izin Tuan Pengerusimembachakan apa yang telah sayauchapkan itu. Saya telah berkata is-itu :

The pressing problem in the way ofproviding ever increasingly efficient andsatisfactory Medical and Health Services,particularly in this period of unprecedentedexpansion, is the provision of necessarystaff, of all categories, adequate both innumber and training. A review of thetraining programme in my Ministry is,therefore, now being carried out and the°implementation of a very much morecomprehensive staff training programme for1963 and future years will be undertaken.

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Tuan Pengerusi, saya juga telah me-nyebutkan juga satu ranchangan yangpenting lagi is-itu ranchangan men-chegah penyakit bukan mengubati-nya. Ranchangan ini meliputi tigabahagian yang besar is-itu kebersehanatau sanitation, ilmu kesihatan atauhealth education, dan zat2 makananatau nutrition dan ini akan di-laksana-kan melalui dari tahun hadapan melaluisatu lembaga yang meliputi semua Ke-menterian2 dan badan2 yang bersangkut-paut dengan-nya.

Pandangan2 yang di-datangkan olehAhli2 Yang Berhormat dalam masaperbahathan atas belanjawan bagi Ke-menterian ini ada-lah berpusu2 ataskeutaniaan dalam ranchangan yangsaya katakan itu. Dengan yang demi-kian, saya perchaya bahawa saya akanmendapat sokongan yang penoh dari-pada Dewan ini untok melaksanakanranchangan2 itu.

Tuan Pengerusi, sekarang saya ber-paling kapada kechaman2 yang di-lem-parkan ka-atas Kementerian ini. Sa-bagaimana biasa, kechaman2 dantudohan2 yang tidak berasas itu datang-nya daripada Socialist Front dan bagikali ini di-pelupori oleh Ahli YangBerhormat dari Bungsar yang tidakada di-tempat-nya, dan di-ikuti Pulaoleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Daman-sara. Hal itu, tidak-lah menghairankanDewan ini, kerana Ahli Yang Ber-hormat itu ada-lah sa-bulu dan sa-kandang, dudok dalam Dewan inisa-mata2 untok membangkang keranamembangkang. Sudah-lah bagitu, TuanPengerusi, achap kali pula tudohan2yang di-buat-nya itu ada-lah tudohanyang melulu, tudohan yang tidak ber-asas, tudohan yang tidak berdasarkankenyataan, bahkan boleh di-katakantudohan2 yang di-buat mengikut lidah-nya yang tidak bertulang.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bungsartelah menggambarkan bahawa tidakada kemajuan perkhidmatan perubatandan kesihatan semenjak Perikatan ber-kuasa, bukan-nya sahaja tidak adakemajuan bahkan mengikut pandangan-nya, perkhidmatan perubatan dankesihatan semenjak Perikatan berkuasatelah bertambah mundur. Tuan Penge-rusi, angka2 yang saya beri tatkalamengemukakan belanjawan ini menun-

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j okkan bahawa kita telah berj ayadalam usaha meluas dan membaiki lagiperkhidmatan perubatan dan kesihatandalam negeri ini. Sa-bagai satu chontoh,dari semenjak tahun 1956 hingga akhirtahun ini , is-itu pada tahun 1962, sa-banyak 38 main centres atau pusatkesihatan besar , 105 sub -centres ataupusat kesihatan kechil dan 427 buahkelinik bidan telah di-dirikan. Kemu-dahan2 yang telah di-buat itu memberi-kan kesenangan perubatan kapadalebeh kurang satu j uta pendudokdalam negeri ini. Satu juta is-lahsatu million , kalau dia tidak me-ngerti bahasa Kebangsaan negeri mi.Penyata Beranak dan Mati bolehmen j adi satu bukti yang j elas dannyata. Kematian kanak2 yang baharulahir telah menjadi kurang daripada75 pada tiap2 1,000 dalam tahun 1956,kapada 69 pada tiap2 1,000 dalamtahun 1960 . Jadi dua keterangan yangsaya beri menunjokkan dengan jelasbahawa kemajuan dan kejayaan me-mang banyak , tetapi saya mengakuibahawa maseh banyak lagi yang hen-dak kita perbuat . Di-dalam uchapansaya ada saya mengatakan :

"In spite of the progress made, it is to beadmitted that a very great deal yet remainsto be done".

Tuan Pengerusi, semua dunia tahubahawa : "Rome was not built in aday".

Jadi, tudohan2 yang di-buat itusa-mata2 kerana sakit hati kapadaKerajaan Perikatan itu tidak apa-lahkami sanggup menerima-nya. Tetapidi-dalam membuat tudohan itu AhliYang Berhormat dari Socialist Fronttelah menyakitkan hati dan menghirisperasaan 17,966 prang pegawai2 dalamsemua peringkat yang berkhidmat di-dalam Kementerian Kesihatan ini yangbertungkus-lumus beker ja siang danmalam untok membaiki perkhidmatanperubatan dan kesihatan dalam negeriini. Jadi, tudohan ini telah membukatembelang Socialist Front, rupa2-nyaSocialist Front bukan sahaja satu partiatau satu pertubohan yang tidak me-ngenang jasa, tetapi terang2 menjatoh-kan kehormatan pegawai2 yang bekerjadalam Kementerian Kesihatan ini yangberjumlah lebeh 17,000 orang. Barang-kali, kemajuan2 yang saya terangkan

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itu susah hendak di-nampak oleh YangBerhormat dari Bungsar . Tetapi apa-bila dia mengatakan bahawa di -GeneralHospital Kuala Lumpur juga tidak adaapa kemajuan , melainkan pada tiap2tahun di-sapu kapor ; itu ada -lah satutudoh an yang melampau kata orangzaman sekarang tudohan yang keter-laluan.

Tiap2 sa-orang yang ada mata danchelek mata hati-nya dapat menyaksi-kan sendiri perubahan kemajuan yangtelah di-buat di-hospital itu. Kalaumereka tidak nampak perkara2 yanglain, sa -kurang2-nya mereka nampakbangunan ward baharu yang tersergamdi-situ , dan kalau sa-orang itu berusahasadikit dia boleh berjumpa dengan satubangunan lain is-itu kelinik mata.Kalau mata sa -saorang mula hendakkabor2 pandangan-nya, maka boleh-lahdia berubat di-situ . Tetapi malang-nya,Tuan Pengerusi , kita belum -lah lagidapat mengadakan satu kelinik tempatmengubat sa-orang yang buta matahati-nya penyakit yang telah meng-hinggap Yang Berhormat dari Bungsaritu.

Yang Berhormat dari Bungsar jugatelah mengeshorkan supaya di-tuboh-kan sa-buah jawatan-kuasa menyiasatsebab2 ramai-nya doktor2 berhenti darijawatan Kerajaan. Mengikut kata-nyadoktor2 itu berhenti kerana tidak puashati dengan sharat2 perkhidmatan yangada. Tuan Pengerusi, Kerajaan berpen-dapat jawatan-kuasa saperti yang di-shorkan oleh Yang Berhormat itu tidakmustahak di-adakan. Kerajaan tahusebab2 mereka itu berhenti, dan untokpengetahuan Dewan ini, saya suka-lahmenerangkan-nya di-sini : Sebab be-kerj a sendiri di-dalam tahun 1960, 22orang telah berhenti. Dalam tahun 1961,17 orang. Dalam tahun 1962, 23 orangSebab melanjutkan pelajaran : Dalamtahun 1960, 1 orang. Tahun 1961, 5orang dan 1962, 15 orang. Sebabhendak bekerja di-tempat lain : Tahun1960, tidak ada. Tahun 1961, 5 orangdan tahun 1962, 2 orang. Sebabtidak puas hati itu-lah sebab yangdi-sebutkan oleh Yang Berhormatdart Bungsar itu : Dalam tahun 1960,1 orang. Tahun 1961, 1 orang. Tahun1962, 1 orang. Jadi jumlah doktor2yang berhenti dengan sebab yang saya

nyatakan tadi sa-ramai : Tahun 1960,24 orang. Tahun 1961, 28 orang dantahun 1962, 41 orang hingga hari mi.Sunggoh pun hanya sa-orang sahajayang berhenti kerana tidak puas hatipada satu2 tahun, tetapi Kerajaan ada-lah sedang berusaha dengan segala dayaupaya untok mengurangkan bilangandoktor2 yang berhenti tiap2 tahundaripada jawatan Kerajaan supayabilangan doktor yang berkhidmatdengan Kerajaan dapat bertambah.

Dalam mengemukakan belanj avianini, di-antara lain2, saya telah berkatabagini :

"My Ministry is leaving no stone unturnedin order to alleviate the acute shortage nowbeing experienced and I feel confident thatan improvement in the position can beexpected in the not distant future."

Tuan Pengerusi, barangkali ada satuperkara yang timbul daripada keber-hentian doktor2 mi. Ia -itu ini ada-lahmenjadi satu dalil yang nyata dan jelasbahawa Kerajaan ini sa-benar2-nyamengamalkan demokrasi. Sungg,oh punpuak Pembangkang telah bertubi2 danberkali2 menyatakan bahawa Kerajaanyang ada hari ini tidak mengamalkandemokrasi, tetapi ini ada-lah satu dalil.yang jelas menunjokkan kita mengamalkan demokrasi entah -lah barang-kali apabila Socialist Front memeren-tah barang di-jauhkan Allah yangkebebasan ini akan di -tarek balek dari-pada pendudok dalam negeri mi.

Tuan Pengerusi , ada satu perkaralagi yang banyak di-sentoh oleh Ahli2Yang Berhormat dalam Dewan ini ia-lah soul berkenaan dengan kurang-nyajururawat Melayu dalam perkhidmatanperubatan . Hal itu , malang-nya ada-Iahbenar . Sebab2 terjadi demikian banyak,tetapi puncha-nya is-lah kurang-nyawanita Melayu yang meminta jawatanitu. Sebab kurang -nya bilangan wanita2Melayu yang meminta jawatan ini ia-lah kerana sadikit -nya bilangan wanita2Melayu yang mempunyai kelulusanyang di -kehendaki bagi mengisi jawatanini. Jadi kurang -nya wanita2 Melayuyang mempunyai kelulusan ini ber-puncha daripada kelemahan di-sekolah2..Dan kelemahan itu-lah yang sedangdi-usahakan oleh Kementerian Pela-jaran untok di-baiki.

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Dalam pada itu saya suka memberijaminan kapada Dewan ini yang sayaakan mengkaji sendiri perkara inisupaya dapat di-baiki. Tetapi saya jugaberasa mustahak menarek perhatian.Dewan ini bahawa tiap2 sa-orangJururawat tidak kira bangsa ada-labdi-lateh untok berkhidmat kapadaorang sakit dengan tidak mengirabangsa. Dan dengan sebab itu padaperasaan saya ada-lab salab jika kitamenarek kesimpulan is-itu apabilakurang-nya bilangan Jururawat2Melayu di-Hospital2 maka kurang-labpula layanan yang di-berikan kapadaorang sakit daripada bangsa Melayu.Saya katakan bahawa tiap2 sa-orangJururawat itu balk daripada apa j ugabangsa-nya ada-lab di-lateh untokberkhidmat kapada semua orange sakit.

Tuan Pengerusi, oleh kerana ada lagimasa-nya jadi saya suka-lab memberij awapan dan pandangan kapada sa-tengah2 perkara yang di-bangkitkanoleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Dewan iniberkenaan dengan rayuan untok faedahssatu2 tempat dan satu2 perkara itu.Perkara yang pertama, saya suka-lahhendak menj awab perkar. a yang di-bawa oleb Yang Berhormat dari Besutberkenaan dengan pengi`tirapanHomoeopathy. Saya suka-lah hendakmenj elaskan kapada Yang Berhormatitu bahawa perkara yang di-bawa itu,akan saya rundingkan dengan pe-nasehat2 dalam Kementerian saya.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Lipisbarangkali ada membawa satu perkaraberkenaan dengan hal Jururawat2 yangberkabwin dan tidak-lah lagi mendapatpeluang naik pangkat. Saya suka-labhendak menjelaskan kapada YangBerhormat itu sa-bagaimana pegawai2perempuan yang lain jika sa-orang itumaseb belum lagi di-masokkan dalampensionable establishment dan berkab-win, maka dia banya-lab di-terimaberkhidmat sa-bagai pegawai2 semen-tara. Tetapi itu bukan-lab berma`anamenyekat peluang dia mendapatpangkat yang lebeb tinggi di-dalamperkhidmatan pegawai2 sementara itu.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Dunguntelab membawa beberapa perkara,perkara yang pertama is-lab berkenaandengan peruntokan Public Health

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Services. Saya suka-lah hendak menje-laskan bahawa Public Health Servicesdan Public Health Education ini akanmendapat keutamaan dan kalau sa-kira-nya di-dapati bahawa peruntokanyang ada di-dalam Anggaran Belan-jawan tidak menchukupi maka boleb-lab di-minta wang tambahan untokmeluaskan lagi.

Satu perkara lagi yang saya rasapatut saya jelaskan is-lab berkenaandengan tudohan yang di-buat olebwakil dari Bungsar juga berkenaandengan makanan di-General HospitalMelaka. Saya suka-lah hendak menje-laskan bahawa di-tiap2 Hospital iniada satu Lembaga Pelawat2 danLembaga Pelawat2 ii-lab yang di-beritugas untok memerhatikan perkara2 mi.Saya yakin dan perchaya j ika benar-lab apa yang di-tohmab--di-tudoboleb Abli Yang Berhormat itu, sudabtentu-lab bahawa Lembaga Pelawat2ini akan mengambil tindakan danmemberi kenyataan kapada pegawaiyang bertanggong-jawab. Tetapi sa-hingga ini tidak ada apa2 penyataatau tegoran daripada Lembaga ini dansaya rasa bahawa tudohan itu ada-labtidak berasas sama sa-kali.

Berkenaan dengan tender membelialat2 kapada Hospital di-Melaka sayasuka-lab hendak menj elaskan bahawadalam tiap2 negeri ada Tenders Boarddan keputusan Tenders Board ini yangdi-jalankan oleb pegawai2 itu.

The Honourable Member forDamansara raised the question ofestate hospitals. Well, I wish to thankthe Honourable Member for what hehas said. I note that in spite of whathe says, he has perfect confidence inthe Government medical service, other-wise he would not have recommendedthat my Ministry should take over andadminister the estate group hospitals.(Applause). His allegations of theextremely unsatisfactory conditions ofthe medical and health services must,therefore, be regarded as somethingwhich he himself does not believe in,and uttered in this House more in thenature of an obligation on the part ofa Member of the Opposition. I alsothank him for his recommendationthat Government should consider

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enlisting the services of private doctorsin our present shortage. I have notedthis, and I trust that the HonourableMember will give me full support inthe measures which I will soon betaking in the alleviation of our existingshortage.

Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman-sara) : On a point of clarification, Sir,if the Minister will give way.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin HajiTalib : Yes.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : TheHonourable Minister has not yetreplied on the question of havingfemale nurses on estates. I will be muchobliged if he will state Government'sstand on this question, and whetherprovision will be made for femalenurses to attend to female patients onestates.

Enche' Abdul Rahman bin HajiTalib : I was wondering why the Mem-ber is so impatient when it comes tofemales. (Laughter) However, I canassure him that I will look into thisquestion.

Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagaimana sayatelah katakan tadi, saya tidak-lah ber-hajat hendak menjawab satu persatuperkara2 yang di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli2Yang Berhormat kerana sa-bagaimanayang saya katakan tadi sa-tengah2 dari-pada perkara2 yang di-bawa oleh Ahli2Yang Berhormat ada-lah pandangan2yang membena yang saya akan guna-kan untok mengendalikan Kemente-rian yang baharu ini (Tepok).

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $96,793,044 for Head5. 25 ordered to stand part of theSchedule.

Heads S. 26-S. 28

The Assistant Minister for Informa-tion and Broadcasting (Enche' Moha-med Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof) :Mr Chairman, Sir, it is my pleasureto introduce the estimates of theMinistry of Information and Broad-casting for the year 1963.

Mr Speaker, Sir, with your permis-sion I would like to take the threeHeads : Heads 26, 27 and 28 together.

I would welcome Members to raise anypoints on which they are not very clearabout.

HEAD 26 MINISTRY OF INFORMATION

AND BROADCASTING

I am very happy to be able to reportthat the activities of the Departmentswithin this Ministry have increasedconsiderably whilst the increase inexpenditure is very negligible. The totalprovision for the Ministry for 1963 willbe $14,901,965 as against $13,363,456for the current year. Of this, $105,613is for the Secretariat of the Ministry.This latter sum, as will be noticed, isless than the amount provided for inthe previous year's estimates. Thedecrease is due to the fact that provi-sions for Personal Emoluments havenow been related to the holders of theposts. (Last year the calculation wasbased on slightly higher scales, on theassumption that the Assistant Secretarywould be a senior M.C.S. officer andthat certain members of the clericalstaff would be those on the top oftheir scales).

HEAD 27 BROADCASTING

The increase of $570,286 underHead 27 in respect of Personal Emolu-ments is due primarily to normalincrease in staff salaries and the crea-tion of a few subordinate posts neededto man our new regional stations.

There is also an increase of $556,210under O.C.A.R. This is to coverincreased maintenance costs of broad-casting equipment, vehicles, etc., someof which are quite old. "Pirate"listening which spells loss ofrevenue is still in existence and theincrease is also for the purpose ofintensifying our licensing campaigns.Last year, I mentioned the introductionof Commercial Broadcasting which,after nine months of operation, hasbrought in a gross revenue of over$2 million. Talking of revenue, Imight mention that the revenue fromthe sale of radio licences as at 30thSeptember this year totalled well over$ 3 million an increase of nearly half -a-million dollars over the correspond-ing period last year. Finally underO.C.S.E., the increase of $65,661

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includes the high cost of ListenershipSurvey, which is necessary for pro-gramme planning and CommercialService promotion purposes. From thethousands of letters received, includingfrom neighbouring countries, it will beseen that the number of Radio Malayalisteners has increased considerably.

HEAD 28 INFORMATION

The total provision requested underthis Head for Information Services nextyear is $6,973 ,226. This shows anincrease of $362,280 over the 1962estimates and the increase is accountedfor as follows :

(a) Personal Emoluments $ 144,630(b) O.C.A.R. ... ... 139,000(c) Special Expenditure 78,650

$362,280

The increase in Personal Emolumentsamounting to $144,630 is approxi-mately 40 per cent of the Department'stotal increase and is due primarily toincrements in staff salaries and thecreation of a few subordinate posts.

Under O.C.A.R., the printedestimates show an increase of $449,000,but the transfer of three items of specialexpenditure account for $310,000; and,as such, the real increase in O.C.A.R.is $139,000. This is caused by theincrease in provision for the purchaseof raw film stock for the Malayan FilmUnit and for the production ofadditional publicity material to serviceour missions overseas.

The Malayan Film Unit started in1946 has done sterling work judgingfrom the films they produce. Theirfilms have been widely used within thecountry and since then they have woninternational recognition for theesthetic qualities of the films theymake, thus they have helped to putMalaya on the map. Today MalayanFilm Unit films are distributed in noless than 25 countries of the world anda good number of their instructionfilms are used for teaching purposesin other countries as well.

Although the Special Expenditureprovision shows a decrease of $231,350due to the transfer of three items to

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O.C.A.R., in actual fact there is anincrease of $78,650. This is due to theneed to replace old and unreliablevehicles, office equipment, photo-graphic equipment and the TrengganuBoat Unit.

In conclusion, I would like to stressthat revenue earning is not theMinistry's most important considera-tion. All media of mass communica-tions within this Ministry will beutilised to educate and inform, thepeople and at the same time to explainGovernment policy and measures toraise the standard of living of thepopulation. With this, of course, comesthe entertainment aspect which receivesspecial attention by those responsiblefor planning and production ofpublications, film and broadcastingmaterials. The listening audience hasincreased considerably as evidencedfrom thousands of letters received fromlisteners in the neighbouring countriesnot mentioning those from within theFederation.

Finally I would like to take thisopportunity to inform the House thatthe Government has decided to createa new Department of Television. Noprovision is being asked for now, as thematter is being taken up with theTreasury and the Federation Establish-ment Office.

Sir, I beg to move that Heads 26,27 and 28 be approved. (Applause).

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, the Honourable AssistantMinister, in introducing these estimates,said that he was happy to do so. How-ever, there is a vast number of peopleinside and outside this House notonly members of the OppositionParties but also members of theAlliance Party who are not at allhappy with the way this Ministry ofBroadcasting has been behaving lately.Sir, if we liken Malaya to a man, or ifMalaya is compared to a man, then theRadio Malaya is his voice ; and we canjudge the man from the way he speaksand from what he speaks. There hasbeen a grave deterioration in themoral standards of Radio Malaya and,in fact, of late Radio Malaya has

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become very abusive and most un-becoming of a man, if he is a gentleman.

Mr Chairman, Sir, there has beenno objective reporting of the Bruneirevolution, and what we find is onlyabuse and prejudiced news beingbroadcast over Radio Malaya. We hearof the revolutionaries being termed astraitors or penderhaka2 or pengkhianat2.I ask the Government : "Is thisobjective reporting?"

Tuan Syed Ja`afar bin Hasan Albar(Johor Tenggara): Tuan Pengerusi,boleh saya memberi penjelasan sa-dikit?

Mr Chairman : (To Enche' KaramSingh) On a point of information, willyou give way?

Enche' K. Karam Singh : I give way,Sir.

Tuan Syed Ja`afar bin Hasan Albar:Term "penderhaka" bukan rekaanRadio Malaya, tetapi ada-lah di-guna-kan oleh Duli Yang Maha MuliaSultan Brunei sendiri.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, we should expect RadioMalaya to have its own thinkingapparatus and not just to be anyone'sparrot. Sir, as I have said, instead ofsaying how the two parties in thisstruggle have fared, how the revolu-tionaries and how the oppressingBrunei powers have fared, you startabusing and slandering one side. Thatautomatically implies that the Bruneioppressers are angels. Is this the waythat you want an independent nationto speak about a freedom struggle thatis going on in her neighbour territory?

Mr Chairman, the behaviour ofRadio Malaya . . . . .

Enche' Mohamed Ismail : Mr Chair-man, on a point of clarification, mayI ask the Honourable Member to whichitem of the Estimates is he referring?

Enche ' K. Karam Singh : Sir, I donot think I have to reply to thatremark.

Mr Chairman : Proceed.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Sir, in fact,in the last few days Radio Malaya

has been forgetting that it is the voiceof an independent country and hasbeen behaving as it did during theBritish days. It has gone back half adecade in the history of Malaya to thecolonial period; and we find some ofthe old and forgotten British propa-ganda that has been lying dormant in itsmemory, all of a sudden coming out onthe occasion of this Brunei freedomstruggle. Sir, this has brought disreputeto our country, because Radio Malayahas with regard to the Brunei revoltceased to be Radio Malaya and hasbecome the voice of Brunei imperial-ism, the voice of the Shell capitalists,who want to rob the Brunei people oftheir oil. There has not been theslightest self-respect or dignity in whatRadio Malaya has been saying aboutthe revolt in Brunei. Sir, this attitudewould not only spoil our relations withthe Brunei people and the people ofNorth Borneo but also with our otherneighbours, because if you call thepeople of Brunei traitors and otherinsulting names, then those people,who are sympathetic to the Bruneirevolt and who are not in Malaya, arealso being insulted indirectly. So, MrChairman, Sir, I would urge the Minis-ter concerned to reconsider the policyof Radio Malaya and to see that itfollows a policy in full keeping withMalaya's independence and freedom.

Enche' Mohamed Asri bin HajiMuda (Pasir Puteh) : Tuan Pengerusi,saya hendak berchakap berkenaandengan Programme Assistant di-dalamItem (24). Ada satu perkara yang ber-laku dalam Pentadbiran Radio Malayayang patut saya minta perhatian dari-pada Menteri yang berkenaan is-ituchara2 layanan terhadap pekerja2. Adakejadian is-itu sa-orang daripada juru-hebah Radio Malaya ini yang telah di-pinj amkan untok berkhidmat di-dalamJabatan Siaran Radio Brunei sa-charakonterek sa-lama tiga tahun. Akantetapi, apakala tamat tempoh kontereksa-lama tiga tahun itu, dia telah berjayamenyambong konterek-nya sa-lamatiga tahun lagi, tetapi sa-belum konte-rek peringkat yang kedua itu di-mula-kan, dia telah tidak di-kehendaki lagiberkhidmat di-Jabatan Siaran RadioBrunei, maka pulang-lah dia ka-Tanah

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Melayu ini, dan dia berharap dapatberkhidmat sa-mula dengan RadioMalaya. Tetapi apa yang berlaku, istidak di-terima berkhidmat di-dalamBahagian Radio Malaya dengan alasan,umor-nya telah Iebeh daripada 35tahun, dan banyak lagi alasan2 yanglain. Tuan Pengerusi, saya rasa pehakRadio Malaya telah melakukan suatukaedah yang agak ganjil, sebab diatelah di-pinjamkan untok berkhidmatdi-Radio Brunei. Dia telah berkhidmatdalam Radio Malaya sa-lama enamtahun. Pada bulan August, 1958 diatelah di-pinjamkan oleh pehak RadioMalaya berkhidmat di-Radio Brunei.Sa-patut-nya orang yang telah di-pinjamkan berkhidmat di-luar negeriitu apakala habis tempoh-nya samaada sa-chara konterek dan lain,dia tidak-lah boleh di-sifatkan sa-bagaiorang baharu yang hendak berkhidmatdi-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu apakaladia kembali ka-Tanah Melayu. Diahendak-lah di-Pandang sa-bagai oranglama, sebab dia chuma di-pinjamkanberkhidmat di-luar negeri.

Jadi, hal yang saperti ini, saya rasaKementerian boleh-lah mengambil tin-dakan. Saya ada kenyataan dan kete-rangan yang chukup dengan namaorang-nya dan kesah2 kej adian danlain2. Tidak-lah perlu saya membachakesah yang panjang ini, akan tetapichukup-lah saya menyatakan bahawadia tidak patut mengalami keadaanyang sa-demikian rupa. Mengikutdalam surat-nya dia telah dapat ber-jumpa dengan pegawai2 di-RadioMalaya, dan pegawai itu telah menya-takan bahawa kalau is hendak bekerjasa-mula dengan Radio Malaya hendak-lah di-sifatkan dia sa bagai orangbaharu, dan sa-bagai orang baharu diamesti-lah chukup sharat2 saperti umordan kelayakan (qualification). Jadi halini tentu-lah beliau itu tidak dapat me-menohi sharat tentang umor-nya, sebabdia tidak berj aya menyekat perjalananumor-nya sa-lama berkhidmat di-saberang laut itu.

Tuan Pengerusi, nampak-nya telahmenjadi kelaziman bagi Radio Malayaapakala menghantarkan orang-nya ber-khidmat di-saberang laut, sama ada sa-chara konterek atau sa-bagai-nya, apa-kala orang itu pulang ka-tanah ayer

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di-beri peluang menyambongkan kerja-nya yang lama, kechuali orang yangsaya sebutkan tali. Saya suka menya:a-kan bahawa sa-orang perempuannama-nya Miss Tan is-itu juruhebahBahagian China telah berkhidmat di-Radio Australia sa-lama tiga tahun,dan apakala pulang ka-Tanah Melayudia di-terima berkhidmat sa-muladalam Radio Malaya. Dan ada sa-orang lagi nama^nya Enche' Abdul binMuhammad juruhebah Bahagian Me-l ayu telah berhenti daripada RadioMalaya sebab bekerja dalam B.B.C.London. Sekarang ini tempoh perkhid-matan-nya telah tamat dan dia dalamperjalanan pulang ka-negeri ini, danbesar kemungkinan dia di-terima kem-bali oleh pehak Radio Malaya. Adatiga orang juruhebah lagi yang telahberhenti daripada Radio Malaya yangtidak pergi berkhidmat ka-saberanglaut, tetapi di-terima kembali berkhid-mat. Sa-orang nama-nya Enche' AhmadOmar, juruhebah Bahagian Melayutelah berhenti sebab memegang jawatanaskar. Dan yang dua orang lagi yangtelah berhenti itu dengan tidak tahuapa sebab-nya, sekarang bekerja sa-mula, sa-orang nama-nya NorainiRafie dan sa-orang lagi Norrazah Aziz.Mereka ini telah berhenti daripadaRadio Malaya, sama ada berkhidmatdi-luar negeri atau dalam negeri, apa-kala tamat tempoh-nya, mereka me-minta sa-mula bekerja di-RadioMalaya, mereka telah di-terima ber-khidmat, akan tetapi malang-nya orangyang saya sebutkan yang telah ber-khidmat di-Radio Brunei sa-lama tigatahun itu tidak mendapat layanan yangsa-wajar daripada pehak RadioMalaya. Dia telah di-sifatkan sa-bagaiorang baharu, umor-nya telah lebeh,qualification-nya tidak chukup, dan diatidak dapat di-terima. Pada hal dalammasa sembilan tahun yang lalu diatelah pernah di-terima berkhidmatdalam Radio Malaya, dia telah di-sifatkan sa-bagai pegawai yang terbaik,dan oleh kerana di-pandang sa-bagaipegawai yang terbaik itu-lah maka diatelah berjaya dapat berkhidmat denganKerajaan Brunei dalam BahagianSiaran Radio. Saya tahu, Tuan Penge-rusi, sebab2 dia tidak berjaya. Sunggohpun dia berj aya^ menanda-tangani kon-terek peringkat yang kedua sa-lama

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tiga tahun lagi, tetapi tidak berjayameneruskan konterek itu di-sebabkanhal diri-nya sendiri, barangkali keranaada beberapa hal berhubong denganrayuan-nya kapada pehak KerajaanBrunei, yang tidak ada sangkut-pautsaya bachakan dalam Dewan mi.Pegawai ini telah membuat rayuankapada Yang Teramat Mulia PerdanaMenteri Persekutuan Tanah Melayubertarikh pada 24hb Disember, 1961,akan tetapi sampai pada masa ini apayang saya tahu pegawai ini belum me-nerima sa-barang surat daripada pehakPerdana Menteri. Itu-lah sebab-nyasaya mengemukakan perkara ini ka-pada Yang Berhormat Menteri Mudasupaya menimbangkan sa-mula hal ini,atau pun Yang Berhormat Menterimenyatakan dalam Dewan yang muliaini bahawa perkhidmatan pegawai yangsaya sebutkan itu tidak di-kehendakioleh sebab hal yang lain. Kalau sa-kira-nya alasan umor-nya lebeh, makasaperti yang saya katakan tidak adasiapa yang berupaya menahan perja-lanan umor-nya, kechuali kalaupegawai ini dapat menahan umor-nya10 tahun, dia menj adi muda saperti10 tahun dahulu.

Tuan Pengerusi, sekarang saya hen-dak berchakap berkenaan denganTape-recording Machines di-dalamSub-head 41. Peruntokan bagi tahun1963 sa-banyak $18,000 dan pada tahunyang lalu sa-banyak $12,000. Sayasuka mendapat penjelasan daripadaYang Berhormat Menteri is-itu ada-kah Tape-recording Machines ini ter-paksa di-beli pada tiap2 tahun denganperuntokan yang berbelas ribu ringgitsaperti ini dan ada-kah jentera ini di-beli hanya dapat berkhidmat untokRadio Malaya sa-lama sa-tahun sahajasebab terpaksa di-tambah tiap2 tahunkerana perkhidmatan itu bertambahdari tahun ka-tahun? Perkara ini perludi-beri jawapan, sebab penambahanyang $6,000 daripada tahun yang laluitu ada-lah penambahan yang besardi-sebabkan Tape-recording Machinesini tiap2 tahun terpaksa di-beli.

Satu perkara lagi dalam muka surat173 peruntokan $600,000-PublicityCampaigns and Publications. $600,000berbanding dengan tahun sudah$375,000 erti-nya bertambah bagitu

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banyak, boleh-kah pehak MenteriYang Berhormat ini menyatakanbahawa penambahan itu berdasarkankapada perbelanjaan tahun ini juga.sebab dalam tahun 1962 dalam ber-bagai2 kepala sub-head saya dapatmengumpulkan perbelanjaan yang sa-rupa maksud-nya ia-itu-lah bahagianPublication and Publicity Campaignssa-banyak $375,000 dan champorkandengan Sub-head 28 sa-banyak$100,000--Publicity in support of Ope-rators dan Publicity in Rural Areas$150,000 erti-nya perbelanjaan sa-jumlah $625,000 berbanding padatahun ini sa-banyak $675,000 apabiladi-champor dengan Sub-head 28-$75,000 yang demikian dalam tahunyang akan datang tahun 1963 perbe-lanjaan kerana itu berlebehan $50,000.Saya suka mendapat penjelasan dari-pada Menteri Yang Berhormat apa-kah keperluan2 atau keadaan yangluar biasa atau pun perkhidmatan2baharu yang mesti di-tambah me-nyebabkan peruntokan bertambahlebeh $50,000 daripada jumlah semuadalam tahun 1962 dengan tahun1963. Jadi hal ini perlu di-jelaskansupaya dapat-lah kita penerangan yangchukup dalam perkara mi.

Satu perkara lagi is-itu perkaraExternal Publicity peruntokan-nya sa-banyak $27,796. Saya sutra mendapatpenjelasan daripada pehak Menteri,penggunaan wang kerana Publicationbahagian luar ini, penggunaan wangini di-arahkan dengan chara2 yangbagaimana? Saya teringat berita dalamsurat khabar telah berlaku kejadiandi-London baharu2 ini di-mana satupamiran gambar daripada TanahMelayu telah di-tunjokkan gambarbagaimana gambar orange Melayusedangkan orange itu orange yang tidakberbaju orange hutan orang Ash,dalam negeri ini. mi telah menyebab-kan keributan yang besar sa-hinggaPesurohjaya Tinggi Persekutuan TanahMelayu di-United Kingdom is-itu YangTeramat Mulia Tunku Ya`cob telahmenjadikan satu perkara yang besarsa-hingga beliau menyatakan dalamSurat khabar bahawa kej adian itu ada-lah sangat2 memalukan PersekutuanTanah Melayu. Ada-kah hal yang ter-jadi di-London itu tidak ada dalam

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pengetahuan pehak Pejabat Pene-rangan mi. Dan kalau sa-kira-nyatidak ada dalam pengetahuan PejabatPenerangan sedangkan kalau benar-lahwang itu di-ambil daripada peruntokanini maka apa-kah tindakan akan di-lakukan oleh pehak Menteri Yang Ber-hormat supaya kej adian saperti itutidak lagi berlaku pada masa yangakan datang.

Muka surat 173 Sub-head 3 CivicsEducation atau pun Pelajaran TataRa`ayat. Hal ini saya minta-lah kapadaMenteri yang berkenaan ini supaya di-dalam melaksanakan kursus ini ber-jalan dengan sa-berapa daya upayadapat-lah di-kurangkan, jika tidakdapat di-buang semua sa-kali penga-roh2 atau propaganda politik di-dalam-nya. Sebab, apa yang saya dapat tahupernah berlaku kejadian; walau puntidak seluroh-nya; kejadian di-dalamkursus Tata Ra`ayat saperti ini, pernahberlaku propaganda2 politik yang di-lakukan dengan chara halus oleh pehakparti pemerentah memasoki propagandaparti di^dalam Civics Course dalamnegeri ini. Jadi ini tentu-lah tidak me-nyenangkan, dan akan melemahkanperj alanan demokrasi dalam negeri ini,dan wang yang di-untokkan bagipelajaran dalam negeri ini bukan-lahwang kepunyaan satu parti tetapi wangra`ayat dan harus di-gunakan benar2bagi kepentingan ra`ayat bukan faedahuntok kepentingan satu parti sahaja.

Saya suka menarek perhatian Men-teri Yang Berhormat is-lah soal siaranRadio. Tahu-lah kita dalam Item manaatau Sub-head mana sa-kali pun tetapiapa yang saya maksudkan ini is-lahmasaalah siaran Radio siaran sa-laridalam Parlimen. Sekarang ini siaranhale yang berlaku dalam Parlimen yangdi-siarkan hanya sa-lama 15 minit padatiap2 malam dari jam 8.15 hingga 8.30.Tempoh 15 minit ini terlalu-lah pendekdan tidak-lah dapat pegawai2 yang ber-tugas itu melaporkan dengan sa-penoh-nya kejadian2 yang lebeh besar, sedanghampir2 tiga suku dari masa 15 minitini terpaksa di-gunakan untok siaran2daripada pehak pemerentah terutamasa-kali pehak Menteri. Jadi, menyebab-kan segala fikiran yang di-keluarkanoleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dalamDewan ini tidak dapat di-siarkan

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dengan sa-penoh-nya oleh Pemberita2Radio untok di-siarkan kapada orangramai.

Saya suka menarek perhatian Men-teri supaya di-masa yang akan datangdapat di-fikirkan untok mengadakansiaran terus atau pun siaran sa-laridaripada Dewan ini ya`ani RadioMalaya menyiarkan kejadian2 yang sa-benar-nya berlaku di-dalam Dewanyang mulia ini yang hanya menghen-daki sa-saorang pegawai Radio yangmemberi Iaporan tentang siapa2 ber-chakap itu. Jadi dengan yang demikianra`ayat akan dapat mendengar sa-jauhmana wakil2-nya menyuarakan pan-dangan ra`ayat dalam rumah yangmulia ini dan sa-jauh mana fikiran2yang di-keluarkan oleh tiap2 ahli di-dalam rumah yang mulia ini dapat-lahorang ramai itu mengetahui. Ada di-antara Wakil2 Ra`ayat yang datangdiam membisu atau pun ada di-antaraWakil2 Ra`ayat yang berchakaphanya ikut keluar sahaja bukan ber-chakap ikut kepala hanya berchakapikut perut-nya sahaj a. Ada Wakil2Ra`ayat yang berchakap itu tidakmenggunakan apa yang di-bahathkanatau pun ada Wakil2 Ra`ayat yangberchakap mengatakan orang sahaja.Jadi dapat-lah ra`ayat itu mengetahuiAhli Yang Berhormat dari TanahMerah apa yang dia chakap sebabdia tidak pernah pergi di-kawasan-nyadan.......

Mr Chairman : Jangan beri mi-thalan . . . . . . .

Enche' Mohamed Asri bin HajiMuda : mi sa-bagai mithalan sahaj a.Atau pun Ahli Yang Berhormat dariJohor Tenggara apa yang dia berlakundalam Dewan ini supaya tahu semuara`ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dansa-jauh mana fikiran dan mentalitytiap2 Ahli2 dalam Dewan ini dalammemikir dan membahathkan di-atassa-suatu perkara yang di-bentangkandalam rumah mi. Kalau itu-lah dapatdi-lakukan oleh pehak Menteri yangberkenaan ini maka akan bertambahsegar-lah dan akan bertambah sehatdemokrasi dalam negeri ini dan barang-kali ra`ayat akan lebeh mudahmengetahui lebeh chepat lebehmatang dalam soal politik dalamnegeri mi. Dengan yang demikian

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perbelanjaan Civics Course atau punkursus ini dapat di-kurangkan chukupdengan jalan mengikuti persidanganra`ayat mengikuti perkembanganfikiran2-nya dapat mengikuti perjalananpolitik negeri ini dari satu masa ka-satumasa melalui siaran sa-lari dart Dewanyang mulia mi.

Pada akhir-nya, Tuan Pengerusi ;is-lah perkara Radio Orchestra mi.Kita dapati peruntokan yang besar adadi-dalam kedudokan wang ini danpatut kita menguchapkan terima kasehkapada Kementerian ini kerana ada-nya Orchestra-nya sendiri. Tetapi satuperkara yang saya suka bertanya, ada-kah pegawai2 yang mentadbir RadioOrchestra ini di-tetapkan saperti orangitu bekerja panjang atau pun di-pakaicontract. Kalau contract sa-lama manacontract itu di-pakai dan kalau tamatcontract itu tidak-kah terfikir dalamfikiran Menteri Yang Berhormat iniuntok menchari ganti orang lain.Berapa banyak lagi ahli2 music kitayang terkenal, berapa banyak lagicomposer yang terkenal dari kalanganorang Melayu yang dapat menghidup-kan seni kebudayaan Melayu yangdapat membawa irama lagu2 dengankehendak j iwa bangsa Melayu, tidak-lah di-maksudkan dengan fikiran inibahawa sekarang ini tidak membawairama itu. Berapa banyak di-antaraahli2 music daripada kalangan orangeMelayu yang termashhor dan terkenal.Saperti kita tahu di-Kelantan ada sa-orang ahli music yang terkenal nama-nya Enche' Abdullah Bukhari yangsekarang ini sedang memimpinOrchestra Melayu yang terbesar sa-kalidi-seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayudengan pemain2 music-nya hampir260 orang, yang main biola sahajasampai 40 orang ramai-nya. Sa-hinggasaya nampak tahun ini pehak RadioMalaya tidak pernah palingkan mata-nya melihat perkembangan baharudalam hal ini. Saya dengar ranchangan2pantai timor maka music dari pantaitimor ini tidak ada yang saya dengarkeluaran daripada pasokan Orchestrami. Hal ini patut di-chuba dahulu darisekarang ini bagaimana chara usahalatehan dia dan chiptaan dia sendiri.Saya tahu lagu2 kelasik yang modenatau kelasik lama di-karang-nya sendiri

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atau pun di-ambil daripada pengarangkelasik lama itu dapat dia hidupkanmelalui Orchestra-nya. Kalau RadioMalaya dapat mengambil-nya barang-kali dapat-lah kalangan bangsa Melayukita sendiri di-tengah masharakat duniayang serba moden mi.

mi sementara pada masa akandatang chuba-lah di-fikirkan denganchara yang sa-suai dasar memimpinRadio Malaya Orchestra. Pada akhir-nya is-lah masaalah muka 163 Sub-head 1 Item 2 Penolong Menteri Mudadalam bahagian broadcasting. Tidakada orang yang tidak berasa bahawatelah bertahun2 jawatan ini telahkosong. Semenjak Menteri Muda iniberhenti kerana kalau-lah YangBerhormat Perdana Menteri dapatmendengar rayuan yang saya rayukanini kapada Yang Berhormat PerdanaMenteri supaya dapat memikirkan sa-mula untok memenohi kekosonganjawatan Men teri Muda Penerangan itu(di-sampok), kalau sudah ada baik-lahmudahan2 Ahli Yang Berhormat itudapat di-berikan lain jawatan.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman(Seberang Tengah) : Tuan Pengerusi,berchakap berkenaan dengan Sub-head10 Publication, saya menguchapkanterima kaseh kapada Kementerian inikerana menguntokkan wang sa-banyak600,000 ringgit bagi tahun 1963, walaupun saya berharap kapada Jabatan inisupaya membanyakkan lagi pekerjaandi-kampong2 untok di-beri peluang danmemperhebatkan lagi kerja2-nya.Kerana pada hari ini hanya di-buatpertunjokan wayang gambar, tetapisaya berharap di-dalam masa me-nunjokkan wayang gambar itu hendak-lah pegawai2 itu menerangkan kapadara`ayat kerana pada masa itu kitadapati banyak pendudok2 kampong itukeluar beramai2. Saya berkehendakkanapa yang Kerajaan buat, dan jugasa-umpama-nya mesti di-terangkankerana saya perchaya Pejabat Pene-rangan, bukan alat propaganda.Jabatan ini hanya bertujuan untokmenerangkan kapada ra`ayat apa yangKeraj aan buat. Kita tidak adapropaganda di-situ, kita mestimenerangkan pendirian Socialist yangmenyokong Party Kominis di-Indo-nesia, dan sa-bagai-nya. Tuan

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Pengerusi, ini, bukan-nya da`ayahtetapi ada-lah penerangan2 kapadamereka, sunggoh pun mereka dapatmembacha surat khabar, tetapikebanyakan pendudok di-dalam karn-pong tidak membacha surat khabar.Jadi dengan ada-nya pertunjokanwayang gambar orange itu keluarberamai2. Sa-kira-nya ada penerangan2dapat-lah ra`ayat memahami padamasa yang akan datang- umpama-nyaberkenaan dengan r. anchangan Pem-bangunan Luar Bandar dan lain2,kerana Tuan Pengerusi, kita tahubenar2 is-itu lagi banyak wayanggambar di-pertunjokkan lebeh baik lagisupaya ra`ayat itu tabu apa yang Kera-jaan buat. Saya telah menguchapkandahulu is-itu Pejabat Penerangan inidi-mithalkan sa-umpama telor ayamdan telor itek, telor itek itu benar,tetapi telor ayam itu kechil. Kalaudi-bandingkan harga-nya telor ayamitu lebeh mahal daripada telor itek,walau pun is kechil, ini ada-lah di-sebabkan waktu ayam2 itu bertelor isberketok2, j adi walau pun kechil telor-nya harga-nya mahal (Ketawa). Mengi-kut analisa Doctor di-dapati telor itumempunyai zat yang tiada berbeza .

Mr Chairman : Apa kena-mengenadengan perbahathan mi.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman:Tuan Pengerusi, Sub-head 10 mem-banyakkan lagi kaki-tangan supayabekerj a di-kampong2 dalam ran-changan Luar Bandar. Berkenaandengan Radio Malaya sunggoh punYang Berhormat itu menchadangkansupaya ada siaran sa-lari daripadaDewan ini, tetapi saya berasa duka-chita oleh sebab Ahli Yang Berhormatdari Damansara telah menudoh RadioMalaya itu tidak ada fikiran-nya sen-diri. Saya perchaya yang perkhidmatandi-dalam Radio Malaya itu memangada otak-nya sendiri, dan apa2 pene-rangan yang di-buat-nya ada-lah per-kara2 yang benar.

Enche' Aziz bin Ishak (Muar Da-lam): Tuan Pengerusi, sadikit sahaj asaya hendak kemukakan dalam Dewanini berkenaan dengan kepala 27 is-ituberkenaan dengan Broadcasting, per-tama sa-kali Berkenaan dengan siaran2

dan pancharan2 yang kita tahu is-itudi-Johor sana kita dapati siaran Ing-geris tidak kurang tetapi siaran Melayukurang jelas, tidak berapa terang.Saya minta, lain daripada KualaLumpur, tetapi di-sini ada berbeza.Saya minta Kementerian yang Berke-naan supaya dapat mengambil perha-tian di-atas perkara ini. Berkenaandengan ranchangan siaran Melayu padatiap2 hari. Kita patut-lah memuji atassiaran itu kerana lama-kelamaan siaran2itu di-dapati balk, tetapi apa yang sayasuka mengemukakan kapada pehakyang berkenaan is-itu kita ada men-dengar berkenaan dengan kursus mem-bacha Quran. Kita ada mendengartiap2 malam ranchangan membachaQuran. Saya minta di-adakan sa-rentakdengan taf sir-nya sa-kali kerana taf -siran ini sangat mustahak, jadi tidak-lah kita mendengar bachaan sahaj a.

Berkenaan dengan hiboran danlawak-jenaka di-dapati hanya sadikitsahaja lawak itu dapat memberi penga-jaran kapada kita. Jadi, saya minta-lahmemasokkan pengajaran2 yang mem-bena dan juga sadikit2 keritik yangtidak memalukan kerana dahulu adadi-dapati siaran lawak-jenaka itu meng-keritik kapada Kerajaan yang di-buatoleh ahli2 lawak-jenaka kita. Tetapisa-karang kita tidak dengar lagi ahli2lawak itu mengemukakan keritik2-nya,jadi saya minta-lah kalau hendakmengkeritik biar-lah keritik2 yangmembena.

Satu perkara yang di-sebutkan olehAhli Yang Berhormat dari Pasir Putehtadi berkenaan dengan siaran sa-laridaripada Dewan Ra`ayat ini. Kalausaya sendiri, saya tidak-lah berapasetuju supaya kita adakan siaran sa-laridaripada Dewan Ra`ayat ini supayadi-dengar oleh ra`ayat dalam negeri ini,tetapi saga hanya bersetuju supayasiaran berkenaan dengan ulasan per-sidangan Dewan Ra`ayat ini hendak-lah di-tambah lagi masa-nya, kalausekarang di-siarkan 15 minit, makakalau dapat di-adakan sampai 20 minit,atau pun sa-tengah jam, dan sa-bagaimana kata Ahli Yang Berhormatitu supaya ra`ayat dapat dengar akanuchapan2 wakil2 ra`ayat di-Dewan ini,saya takut kalau-lah bila nanti men-dengar uchapan dari pehak Kerajaan,

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saya khuatir pehak pembangkang khas-nya PAS akan mengeluarkan banyaksoal personal berkenaan dengan dirisendiri takut orang lari daripadaPAS !

Enche' Ahmad Boestamam (Seta-pak) : Tuan Pengerusi, pertama sa-kalisaya ingin mengalurkan dengan ada-nya Menteri Muda bagi KementerianPenerangan dan Siaran Radio kita yangmenggantikan tempat Ahli Yang Ber-hormat dari Johor Tenggara itu.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari SeberangTengah ada menyebutkan tentang tugasdan kewajipan Jabatan Penerangan.Sunggoh menggembirakan, kalau sa-kira-nya benar sa-bagaimana kata AhliYang Berhormat itu bahawa JabatanPenerangan ini tugas-nya mesti-lahmemberi penerangan, bukan-lah mem-ber daayah. Tetapi kadang2, kita lihatkeadaan ini tidak berlaku, banyakdaayah daripada penerangan yang di-ben, mithal-nya kereta2 yang menun-jokkan wayang gambar itu di-manaada pilehan raya maka lebeh banyakdi-hantar kereta2 di-situ dan sambilmenunjokkan wayang gambar di-situ,dia mengambil kesempatan mengata-kan undi-lah Perikatan.

Tuan Pengerusi, kalau sa-kali punbenar tugas Jabatan Penerangan inimemberi penerangan, tetapi saya harapjangan-fah hendak-nya peneranganyang akan di-beri itu, penerangan sa-bagaimana yang di-minta oleh AhliYang Berhormat dari Seberang Tengahdi-beri penerangan tentang telor ayam,telor itek dan lain2, sebab kalau JabatanPenerangan ini memberi penerangantentang telor, nanti ada orang pulameminta adakan penerangan tentangkueh, kueh mangkok, kueh apam,sedangkan tugas Jabatan Peneranganini is-lah memberi penerangan bagimembabitkan kepentingan ra`ayat se-luroh-nya, bukan soal telor dan kueh.

Enche' Ibrahim bins Abdul Rahman :Tuan Pengerusi, untok penjelasan.Saya tidak meminta Jabatan Pene-rangan ini menerangkan kapada ra`ayatberkenaan dengan telor, tetapi sayaminta supaya Jabatan Penerangan inimenerangkan sikap Kerajaan terhadapra`ayat supaya ra`ayat akan perchayakapada Kerajaan.

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Enche' Ahmad Boestamam : Terimakaseh, Tuan Pengerusi. Sekarang sayahendak berchakap berkenaan denganSiaran Radio. Radio, Tuan Pengerusi,merupakan alat pemerentah untok me-nerangkan keadaan yang berlaku dalamnegeri mi. Saya suka menarek per-hatian Menteri Muda tentang siaranradio berkenaan dengan laporan per-sidangan Parlimen. mi tidak menyentohsoak luar negeri sa-bagaimana yangdi-chakap oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormatyang lain. Laporan persidangan Parli-men itu benar masa yang di-berihanya-lah 15 minit, tetapi saya adamengikuti laporan persidangan Parli-men yang membinchangkan tentangsoal pertahanan, bukan sahaja hampir10 minit dalam masa 15 minit itu,malah telah di-gunakan untok mene-rangkan uchapan Menteri Pertahanan,dan sa-sudah itu di-katakan-nya adasa-belas orang Ahli dari pehak pem-bangkang telah berchakap berkenaandengan Kementerian Pertahanan iniitu sahaja. Menteri Pertahanan men-j awab si-anu bagini bagini, MenteriPertahanan menjawab si-anu baginibagini habis masa 15 minit, tetapira`ayat tidak tabu apa yang di-chakap-kan oleh Ahli yang sa-belas orang itu.Kalau mahu berlaku adil dan harusberlaku adil, sebab radio bukan kepu-nyaan Perikatan, radio kepunyaannegeri ini, negeri ini terkandong dariparti Perikatan dan lain2 parti juga.Kalau hendak memberi perentah 10minit dan di-beri lima minit kapadaorang lain yang telah berchakap itu,maka jangan di-beri Menteri inimenjawab, ini-ini-ini, tetapi chakaporang yang di-Parlimen itu tidak di-beri......

Enche' Abdul Razak bin Hussn(Lipis) : Untok penjelasan, radio hakorang, siaran radio itu hak Kerajaan.

Enche' Ahmad Boestamam : TuanPengerusi, saya rasa kalau dia menga-takan siaran radio itu hak Kerajaandan kalau dari penerangan itu Kera-j aan, erti-nya Kerajaan Perikatansahaja, tetapi dia harus jangan lupabahawa Kerajaan sekarang ini ada jugapuak pembangkang di-dalam-nya, danradio itu di-ongkosi bukan sahaja olehKerajaan Perikatan tetapi oleh seluroh

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ra`ayat negeri ini, baik anggota Per-ikatan atau tidak Perikatan yangmembayar chukai-nya.

Ada satu lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, ber-kenaan dengan radio. Saya selalumengikuti, withal-nya kalau ada satutemasha maka di-laporkan dari tempatyang di-adakan siaran itu yang di-katakan siaran terus-menerus. Siaranitu, Tuan Pengerusi, tidak terus-menerus, sebab kalau pertunjokan itusatu jam, habis satu jam itu habis.Kalau terus-menerus habis 24 jam,rasa saya tentu-lah lebeh baik di-katakan siaran sa-chara langsong,bukan dari radio itu sendiri.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya ingin mendapatpenjelasan dari Menteri Muda Pene-rangan dan Siaran Radio berkenaandengan orange yang bekerja sa-bagaipart-time dalam Radio Malaya mi.Saya ingin mendapat tahu, apa diakelayakan2-nya, atau pun qualificationsyang membolehkan sa-saorang itu men-jadi pekerja part-time dalam radio mi.Dan ada-kah sekatan2 yang di-tentu-kan kapada orange yang tertentufahaman politik-nya? Ada-kah orangyang bekerja part-time ini di-berikerana, barangkali ada kawan-nya atausuami-nya dalam Radio Malaya? Sayaingin hendak mendapat penjelasandaripada Yang Berhormat MenteriMuda Jabatan Penerangan dan SiaranRadio tentang bagaimana pekerja part-time ini di-ambit, apa kelayakan yangdi-perlukan, dan ada-kah sekatan2 danhalangan yang di-gunakan? Sebab sayatahu banyak orang yang ingin bekerj asa-bagai part-time, tetapi orang yangtertentu sahaja yang dapat?

Tuan Pengerusi, sekarang saya hen-dak berchakap berkenaan denganJabatan Penerangan. Ada satu hal yangselalu berlaku berkenaan dengan pene-rangan ini, is-itu berkenaan denganpertemuan Pengarah Jabatan Penerang-an dengan wakil2 Surat khabar.Saya rasa pertemuan sa-minggu sa-kali di-antara Pengarah JabatanPenerangan dengan wakil2 suratkhabar itu tentu-lah di-tujukan untokmenerangkan dan menerangkan sa-mata2 akan apa dia sikap danpendirian parti yang memerentahyang sudah di-putuskan oleh Juma`ahMenteri, supaya menerusi surat khabar

keputusan2 itu di-sampaikan kapadara`ayat . Tetapi , Tuan Pengerusi, adamasa2 -nya Pengarah Jabatan Pene-rangan saya ingin mengingatkan is-ituapabila saya sebut Pengarah ma`ana-nya Pengarah Jabatan Penerangan,bukan peribadi-nya siapa pun men-jadi itu saya ta' peduli. Mithal-nya,saya membacha satu berita dahulu,yang saya tabu Juma `ah Menteri belummemutuskan , mengikut Pengarah Jaba-tan Penerangan ini, berhubong dengantuntutan orange dari Sarawak danSabah supaya Malaysia kelak mem-punyai bendera yang acing daripadabendera Persekutuan . Erti -nya tidakmahu berasaskan bendera Persekutuansekarang ini. Apa kata PengarahJabatan Penerangan is-lah amat sukarsa-kali bagi kita untok mengadakansatu bendera baharu . negeri2 di-duniaakan mengambil masa yang panjangsa-kali untok mengakui bendera baharumi. Tuan Pengerusi, prang yang alifba to politik pun tahu bahawa benderasa-sabuah negara itu di-akui bila sahajanegara itu di-akui oleh dunia de factodan de jure-nya. Mithal -nya, Perseku-tuan apabila di-akui kemerdekaan-nyaoleh negara2 di-dunia ini, maka dengansendiri-nya bendera itu di-akui , sedangPengarah Jabatan Penerangan menga-takan tidak boleh . Kalau kita hendakbuat bendera asas -nya mesti daripadabendera Persekutuan ini juga meskipun saya tahu maksud-nya hendakpropaganda supaya orang itu takutmenuntut bendera baharu. Di-sini nam-pak sa-kali kejahilan kita bahawabukan bendera yang di-akui , tetapinegara dan kemerdekaan itu yang di-akui. Apabila negara dan kemerdekaanitu di-akui hendak buat bendera ter-balek sa-kali pun, is akan di-akui.Jadi orang ramai apabila membachaberita itu sa-olah2 Kabinet sudah me-mutuskan bagitu.

Sa-perkara lagi, Tuan Pengerusi,perjumpaan Pengarah Jabatan Pene-rangan dengan wakil2 surat khabar iniyang sa-patut-nya merupakan perjum-paan untok menerangkan dasar Kera-jaan, tetapi ada masa-nya di-gunakanoleh Pengarah itu untok mengeluarkanpendapat-nya atas suatu hal dan atassa-saorang sa-hinggakan, Tuan Penge-rusi, pertemuan wakil2 surat khabar

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atas nama Jabatan Penerangan merupa-kan pertemuan wakil2 surat khabardengan peribadi Pengarah JabatanPenerangan itu sendiri. Kalau PengarahJabatan Penerangan itu ingin hendakmengadakan Persidangan Akhbar um-pama-nya dia boleh adakan di-rumah-nya, tetapi jangan gunakan PersidanganAkhbar Kerajaan itu sa-bagai tempatuntok dia menyatakan rasa peribadi-nya. Dengan alasan2 ini saya harapsupaya dengan ada-nya Menteri MudaJabatan Penerangan dan Siaran Radiokita yang baharu ini sa-tiap Per-sidangan Akhbar untok menerangkanpolisi dan apa juga tentang Kerajaandi-lakukan sendiri oleh Menteri Mudasupaya segala apa yang di-keluarkan-nya itu dapat di-terangkan dan dapatdi-pertanggang-jawabkan kapada Par-limen.

Tuan Haji Hasan Adli bin HajiArshad (Kuala Trengganu Utara) :Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak ber-chakap berkenaan dengan NewsEditors dalam Jabatan Siaran Radiodan Reporters dalam Jabatan Pene-rangan. Sa-bagaimana yang kitaketahui tugas pegawai2 ini is-lahmengambil berita dan melaporkanberita itu bagi bachaan dan pen-dengaran orang ramai. Saya sukamengeshorkan kapada Kementerian iniis-itu untok meninggikan taraf ke-wartawanan atau pun melaporkanberita dalam negeri kita ini, pegawai2kita itu patut-lah di-beri kursus2 khas,dan kalau perlu elok-lah mereka itudi-hantar memasoki mana2 AkedemiWartawan di-luar negeri atau pundi-dalam negeri mi.

Tuan Pengerusi, kira2 sa-tahundahulu Menteri Muda Jabatan Pene-rangan dan Siaran Radio yang ber-tanggong-jawab pada masa itu mem-beri-tahu bahawa Keraj aan negeriini memang ada tujuan atau chita2hendak mengadakan Akedemi Warta-wan dalar negeri ini, tetapi sayang-nya ranchangan itu tidak timbul,boleh jadi kenyataan yang di-keluarkanitu tidak bagitu di-setujui oleh Kabinetyang ada sekarang. Tetapi walaubagaimana pun ranchangan Keraj aanhendak mengadakan Akedemi Warta-wan itu, kami ada-lah menyokongsupaya di-adakan Akedemi Wartawan

itu, sa-kurang2-nya untok melateh pem-berita kita yang saya sebutkan tadi.

Dalam pada itu sa-kira-nya per-belanjaan untok mengadakan sa-buahAkedemic Wartawan itu besar tidaksa-padan dengan kira2 7, 8 orangwartawan di-beri kursus di-dalamakedemi tersebut. Tidak-lah Pulamenjadi kesalahan saya rasa akedemicitu boleh di-buka pintu kapada war-tawan surat khabar yang bukan ker j adalam Radio Malaya atau pun dalamPej abat Penerangan ini. Oleh sebablangkah2 untok meninggikan taraf per-suratkhabaran dan kewartawanan di-dalam negeri ini ada-lah satu perkarayang mustahak. Dan ini tentu-lahmenjadi tanggong-jawab KementerianPenerangan dan Broadcasting mi.Saperti di-ketahui is-itu taraf kewar-tawanan atau pun persuratkhabarandi-negeri ini belum-lah menchapaitaraf yang sa-wajar-nya. Sa-bagai bukti-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, sa-orang AhliYang Berhormat dari Tanah Merah,malang-nya dia tidak ada dalam Dewanini, dia pergi ka-Singapura mensipat-kan orange surat khabar di-negeri inisa-bagai langau hijau yang hanya tahumencheritakan yang burok2, kemudianmenyaarkan kapada orang ramai.Saya tidak bersetuj u orange suratkhabar dalam negeri ini di-sipatkansa-bagai langau hijau itu kerana bolehmenyakitkan hati orang surat khabaritu. Jadi ini sa-bagai chontoh dantentu-lah apa yang di-gambarkan olehAhli Yang Berhormat dari TanahMerah baharu2 ini sa-kurang2-nyadapat di-j adakan perhatian kapadaMenteri yang bertanggong-j awab inibetapa penting-nya kita mengadakanlangkah2 untok meninggikan persurat-khabaran atau laporan berita2 ini,sa-kurang2-nya untok pegawai2 yangtersebut di-dalam Item (17) dan Item(22) di-muka surat 164 dan 168.

Kemudian, Tuan Pengerusi, pegawai2tersebut ini berita2 ini patut-lah jugadi-beri tahu sementara sa-belum di-adakan Akedemic Wartawan. mi jugapatut-lah di-beri arahan kalau tidaksempat di-beri kursus supaya di-ada-kan di-dalam tugas-nya sa-bagaipemberita2 itu menjalankan tugassa-bagai sa-orang wartawan. Erti-nyadia menchari sa-banyak2 berita yang

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berlaku, yang timbul di-dalam negeriini tidak-lah sa-mata2 dia pergika-tempat2 perjumpaan meresmikanpembukaan2 balai raya, perigi dansa-bagai-nya. Patut-lah di-arahkansupaya perjumpaan parti2 siasah di-negeri ini walau pun berita2 sapertiitu tidak dapat di-siarkan kapadaorang ramai. Memang sudah ada satudasar Jabatan ini tidak mahu menyiar-kan berita2 itu tetapi sa-kurang2-nyabiar-lah pemberita2 itu dapat meme-nohi pekerjaan-nya atau sa-bagaimanasa-orang pemberita atau wartawan yangsa-patut-nya.

Tuan Pengerusi, muka surat 164j uga Item (14) dan (15) berkenaandengan Penyusun Ranchangan RadioMalaya ini. Jadi saya tidak-lah hendakmengatakan ranchangan2 Radio Ma-laya ini rendah mutu-nya sebab selalu-nya kalau di-keritik oleh orang ramai,orange di-Radio Malaya ini dia punmelenting dan kata-nya, "many boleh,kita punya ranchangan baik danmempunyai ranchangan chukup bagus".Saya rasa elok-lah pegawai ini danyang terutama tuan Pengarah RadioMalaya ini di-Item (1) muka 164,sa-kali2 elok-lah membuka dan mengi-kuti programme Radio di-lain negeri,katakan-lah Radio Indonesia; marahbila saya sebutkan Indonesia ini(Ketawa). Lebeh2 pada hard ini punbanyak yang marah apabila menyebut-kan Indonesia, supaya dapat di-dengar,dapat di-tengok sa-kurang2-nya ran-changan warta berita-nya itu. Sa-lama15 minit macham mana orang itupunya siaran, macham mana berita-nyadi-keluarkan berita luar negeri. Apa-kah banyak berita2 mengenai negeri2kapitalis sahaja atau pun machammana. Dan elok-lah Jabatan inimemikirkan untok berlanggan jugasa-lain daripada sharikat2 berita elok-lah juga di-langgan berita2 yang di-keluarkan oleh sharikat2 berita luarnegeri saperti Antara, TASS kalauperlu. mi sa-kurang2 dapat di-ketahuikalau tidak di-siarkan pun. Jadi berita2dari Republic Arab Bersatu supayadapat berita2 yang sa-benar berkenaandengan hale negeri Arab, hale pem-berontakan di-Yaman dan sa-bagai-nya. Jadi dapat-lah berita2 yangsa-benar ini dan banyak lagi boleh kita

terima berita2 bukan sahaja daripusat2 Kantor Berita di-Englandsahaja. Jadi berita2 ini berita2 yangkita dengar daripada satu2 pehak, itu-lah sahaja, Tuan Pengerusi.

Mr Chairman : Saya suka meng-ingatkan kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhor-mat mengikut jadual, kita terpaksamenghabiskan perbahathan ini padapukul 12.45. Jadi kita hendak tutupperbahathan ini pada pukul 12.20supaya dapat saya beri peluang kapadaYang Berhormat Menteri untok men-jawab segala hujah2 yang telah di-datangkan.

Enche' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak(Melaka Utara) : Tuan Pengerusi,mula2 sa-kali biar-lah saya masokdalam hal Radio. Saya sa-lama initelah mengikuti siaran Radio Malayadan perkara yang hendak di-baiki, ataupun hendak mengadakan ranchangan2yang lebeh bermutu, saya rasa sudahada dalam timbangan bagi pehak RadioMalaya ini sendiri. Kerana apa yangsaya tahu ada penerangan2 dan per-ubahan2 dari satu masa ka-satu masa.Saya sendiri memberi sokongan dantidak payah-lah hendak ikut shor dari-pada rakan saya Yang Berhormat dariKuala Trengganu Utara itu keranapada pendapat saya siaran warta beritadaripada Radio Malaya pun kitadapati banyak juga berita2 yang ber-laku di-tempat2 lain, umpama-nyaberita2 dari Russia walau pun darimelalui TASS tidak melalui PRAVDAatau pun lain tetapi berita2 dari UPIada di-siarkan oleh Radio Malaya.Tinggal lagi sama ada kita seronokatau tidak seronok mendengar perkaraitu, itu timbangan kapada pehak kitasahaja, tetapi saya rasa bagi ra`ayatdapat puas hati dengan ranchangan2ini. Walau pun bagitu bagi pehakKeraj aan kalau saya hendak men-jawab pun boleh kerana saya inibukan Menteri memang ada mem-punyai pandangan2 untok membaikiperkara2 yang kita tahu negara kitaini baharu.

Kemudian berhubong dengan RadioMalaya, ini ulasan persidangan DewanRa`ayat. Bagi saya kalau ada shorhendak memanj angkan masa saya ber-setuju tetapi kadang2 kita hendak

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mengaj ar pehak yang mengeluarkanberita atau pehak yang bersangkutandengan persidangan Dewan ini, sayarasa anchaman oleh Ahli Yang Ber-hormat dari Setapak tadi keranamemang itu ra`ayat hendak tahu apajawapan Menteri. Jadi, terpaksa-lahapa yang hendak di-j awab oleh Kera-jaan itu ra`ayat hendak mengetahui-nya hendak mendengar barangkaliKerajaan hendak menaikkan chukaitentu-lah mereka hendak denganj awapan Menteri. Dan saya pernahmengikuti perbahathan ini ada kala-nya daripada pagi sampai ka-tengahhari tidak ada chan kami di-sini hendakberchakap kemudian berita yang di-keluarkan oleh Radio Malaya hanyaberita dari pehak Pembangkang sahaja.Jadi semua-nya ini mesti kita ikutiwarta berita baharu kita tahu. Perkarayang macham ini saya rasa tentu-lahtidak munasabah kita hendak meng-arahkan alasan dan fikiran sa-saorangitu mengikut sahaja kemahuan kita.Jadi perkara2 yang kechil ini tidakpatut kita keluarkan. Kita selalu ber-chakap di-sini ta' di-keluarkan olehRadio Malaya pun ada, ta' di-sebutkannama-nya pun ada, kadang2 salahnama pun ada. Jadi itu tidak menjadisatu perkara yang besar kerana kitatahu sa-saorang itu membahathkan per-kara di-dalam Parlimen ini tentu-lahperkara2 yang mustahak di-utamakan.Dan untok menegaskan pada kawasansaya Yang Berhormat dari Setapakdan Damansara mereka ini selalumembuat keritik2 berkenaan denganRadio Malaya ini maseh mengatakanada lagi agak2 berbahu penjajah bagitudan bagini. Dahulu saya pernah ber-chakap berkenaan dengan Radio inij uga, kapada wakil Damansara ituingin hendak menyampaikan atau punhendak mengajar siaran Radio mem-buat benda2 atau chara yang hendakdi-arahkan, elok-lah berkuasa dahulu.Kita tidak mahu sekarang ini di-bawahKerajaan Perikatan, Jabatan Radioini di-bawah naungan Kerajaan sayarasa tentu-lah Kerajaan akan meng-utamakan hale bersangkut denganKerajaan dan ra`ayat yang dapat di-laksanakan atau di-jalankan dari satumasa ka-satu masa. Kalau kita dudokdan tidak mahu perkara2 ini di-fikirkantidak munasabah .....

Mr Chairman : Saya boleh beri satuminit sahaja lagi.

Enche' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak :Jadi, Tuan PengerusL satu lagi perkaraberkenaan dengan penerangan. Sayahendak menjawab uchapan Yang Ber-hormat dari Setapak juga. Keranadalam masa Kerajaan kita ini menge-luarkan kereta van memberi penera-ngan kapada, orang ramai di-tudoh dandi-katakan, jangan-lah bila ada pilehanraya sahaja baharu di-hantar banyakkereta penerangan mi. mi patut kalausaya pun bertanding di-tempat itusaya minta kereta penerangan inidi-hantar di-situ sebab sa-tengah2 orangmemberi penerangan yang bukan2.Apa keputusan Kerajaan mithal-nyatahun ini chukai ini sekian, chukai inisekian, jadi patut di-siarkan kapadaorang ramai tetapi di-kelirukan olehpemimpin2 orang yang tidak bertang-gong-jawab. Patut-lah Kerajaan me-ngambil tahu mengambil kesempatanuntok menerangkan bukan surohra`ayat mengundi kalau suroh mengun-di saya tidak bersetuju. Lagi sa-tengahminit, Tuan Pengerusi.

Ada satu lagi perkara is-itu adaranchangan untok memberi pene-rangan ugama barangkali di-beri olehPejabat Penerangan ini tetapi sayanampak perkara ini belum lagi ber-jalan dengan baik. Saya harap keretapenerangan ini dapat masok ka-kam-pong2 dan memberikan penerangan2.Saya fikir elok-lah pegawai2 ugama inimenjalankan tugas-nya kerana banyakperkara2 yang karut2 di-leborkan ataudi-sebarkan oleh orang yang tidakbertanggong-jawab untok kepentinganra`ayat negeri kita ini, terima kaseh.

Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Moha-med Yusof : Mr Chairman, Sir, I wishto thank Honourable Members fortheir constructive criticisms, but thereare some who in their usual tenor keepon repeating what they have said in theprevious years.

In dealing with matters point by.point raised by Honourable Members,I would, first of all, deal with theHonourable Member for Damansara.The Honourable Member has allegedthat there is a deterioration in themoral standard of broadcasting by

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Radio Malaya and he goes on to saythat there is no objective reporting andthat there is prejudice in the broad-casting from Radio Malaya as regardsBrunei. Sir, I refute that allegation andI wish to state it very clearly that RadioMalaya is the Voice of Malaya, not thevoice of Peking, not the voice ofMoscow; nor is it the voice of theSocialist Front, or the voice of Com-munism. (Applause).

On the question of Brunei, herepeated what he had said in thisHouse, but he seems to have ignoredcompletely the repeated statementsmade by the Honourable Prime Ministertime and time again that the rebellionin Brunei is a rebellion against theSultan and the Government of theday it is a rebellion -a word used byHis Highness the Sultan himself andthat word is repeated through RadioMalaya as reported from Brunei. Weare not anybody's apparatus or any-one's parrot. We are on our own andRadio Malaya is being run by theGovernment of the Federation ofMalaya.

Now, Sir, having dealt with thatpoint, I come to the Honourable Mem-ber for Pasir Puteh. Ahli Yang Ber-hormat dari Pasir Puteh telahmembangkitkan satu perkara berkenaandengan sa-orang Pegawai yang telahberkhidmat dengan Radio Malaya sa-lama 5 tahun dan juga berkhidmatdengan Radio Brunei sa-lama 3 tahun.Dia bertanya mengapa-kah Pegawai inimanakala berhenti dari Radio Bruneitidak di-ambil balek bekerj a di-RadioMalaya sebab Pegawai ini memintakerja balek. Saya suka menerangkan,Tuan Pengerusi, berkenaan dengan Pe-gawai tersebut is-lah sa-orang Pegawaisementara yang telah meletakkanjawatan-nya daripada Radio Malayasa-belum dia pergi berkhidmat ka-Brunei. Oleh yang demikian dia bukan-lah sa-bagai sa-orang Pegawai yangterus menerus perkhidmatan-nya ataupun "on secondment" kapada KerajaanBrunei. Oleh yang demikian manakaladia meminta balek bekerja di-RadioMalaya maka terpaksa-lah permintaan-nya itu di-timbangkan sa-mula sa-bagaimana orange yang meminta kerja di-Radio Malaya itu, is-itu mengikut

kelayakan sa-saorang itu. Oleh yangdemi^dan tidak-lah di-layan sa-bagaiPegawai Kerajaan "on secondment"manakala dia sudah berkhidmat ka-luarnegeri, tetapi tidak berhenti daripadaRadio Malaya manakala dia balek di-ambil sa-mula. Perkara pegawai yangtersebut itu tidak-lah dapat di-berikeutamaan saperti pegawai2 yang be-kerja tetap.

Ahli Yang Berhormat itu juga telahbertanya berkenaan dengan pemancha-ran mengapa-kah perbelanjaan TapeRecording itu lebeh bagi tahunhadapan. Saya suka menyatakan lebeh-nya perbelanjaan Tape Recording itubagi tahun hadapan is-lah RadioStudio kita pada tahun hadapan akanmulai memanchar daripada Melaka,Pulau Pinang, dan juga Kota Bharu.Sebab tiga tempat ini banyak meng-gunakan Tape Recording maka ter-paksa-lah menggunakan wang yangbanyak pada tahun hadapan. Berkenaandengan soal Publicity Campaign, sayasuka menerangkan soal Pameran yangdi-adakan di-London itu, dan jugaberkenaan dengan satu "painting" dari-pada Sarawak, ini sa-benar-nya bukan-lah Pameran yang di-anjorkan olehPejabat Penerangan, tetapi di-anjorkanoleh sa-buah pertubohan di-Londondan tidak ada kena-mengena denganPejabat Penerangan. Jadi manakalaPesurohjaya Tinggi Persekutuan di-London melawat Pameran itu, bolehjadi perkara yang tidak benar yangdi-tunjokkan itu, maka dengan sebabitu beliau telah membangkitkan perkaraitu kapada pehak yang berkenaan. Inibukan-lah bersangkut-paut dengan Pe-jabat Penerangan.

Berkenaan dengan civic course, sayasuka terangkan is-itu civic course iniada-lah satu perkara yang mustahak,satu perkara yang di-jalankan di-ke-banyakan negeri2 yang berkemajuanbagi memberi kursus kapada pen-dudok2, ketua2 dan sa-bagai-nya untokmendalamkan lagi pengetahuan merekaitu, dan mengetahui lebeh jelas apayang berlaku dalam negeri ini tentangdasar Kerajaan, ranchangan2 Kerajaandan sa-bagai-nya. Bukan-lah pene-rangan itu di-beri berdasarkan pene-rangan parti2 politik tidak. Ini tidakbetul sa-bagaimana yang di-katakan

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oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, tetapibagaimana pun saya suka mengingatkankapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu,bahawa Kerajaan yang ada pada hariini is-lah Kerajaan Perikatan, jadipenerangan2 itu is-lah atas dasar Ke-rajaan Perikatan, kerana KerajaanPerikatan menjalankan pertadbiranberdasarkan manifesto pilehan rayayang di-keluarkan dalam tahun 1959dahulu, kerana itu-lah janji yang di-buat kapada ra`ayat. Itu-lah kursusyang di-beri kapada mereka itu.

Atas soal siaran sa-lari yang di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormatdari Pasir Puteh juga, saya sukamenerangkan kapada beliau is-itu iniada-lah satu perkara yang akan me-makan belanja yang banyak, dan jugapatut di-timbangkan terutama sa-kalidalam Dewan ini sa-bagaimana AhliYang Berhormat itu menyatakan, is-itukita berkehendakkan ra`ayat itu fahamdemokrasi; tetapi di-Dewan ini chakapitu sahaja yang kita dengar, kadang2kita tahu selalu tidak di-jalankan, tidakdi-cheritakan kapada ra`ayat2 itu sen-diri. Oleh yang demikian, kalau-lah di-persetujukan siaran sa-lari ini, Ahli2Yang Berhormat dari sa-belah sanadengan sa-rentak atau berebut2 bangunkerana hendak berchakap dalam Dewanini. Saya fikir perkara yang sa-machamini hendak-lah di-timbangkan dahulu,dan belum sampai masa-nya yang AhliYang Berhormat itu sendiri telahsampai kapada keadaan yang bertang-gong-jawab kalau sampai kapada ke-adaan yang sa-benar apa itu demokrasidengan practical-nya saya tidak-lahhairan untok di-adakan siaran sa-lariitu.

Berkenaan dengan siaran RadioOrchestra, saya suka menyatakan is-itusiaran Radio Orchestra sa-lain daripadaahli2 Radio Malaya Orchestra ada-lahmeliputi kalau Ahli Yang Berhor-mat itu lihat dalam estimate bukan-lah ahli konterek, ada ahli kerja tetapdan ada juga sa-tengah-nya ahli kon-terek, tetapi itu bukan-lah soal-nya.Saya suka menerangkan kapada AhliYang Berhormat sa-lain daripada RadioMalaya Orchestra, banyak tape record-ing yang sa-memang di-rakamkan dari-pada orchestra atau pun ahli2 musikdaripada beberapa tempat dari pantai

timor, dan di-mainkan di-RadioMalaya, tetapi kalau hendak di-bawatiap2 orkes ka-Radio Malaya untokdi-siarkan, maka ini tentu-lah akanmemakan belanja yang banyak.Sa-lain daripada itu juga, sa-memangkita memberi galakan kapada orchestradi-pantai timor atau di-pantai barat,supaya mengelokkan lagi lagu2 danmenaikkan taraf lagu2. Sadikit harilagi apabila slap Radio Kota Bharusaya harap Ahli Yang Berhormat ituboleh pergi ka-studio baharu kita di-Kota Bharu.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari SeberangTengah berchakap berkenaan denganpenerangan2 yang di-minta supayadi-banyakkan lagi. Saya suka menya-takan is-itu sa-memang-lah menjadidasar Keraj aan untok memberi pene-rangan2 kapada ra`ayat sa-terus-nyaberkenaan dengan ranchangan2 Kera-jaan, tetapi dengan sebab kekurangankaki-tangan, dan perbelanjaan makata' dapat-lah kita mengadakan sa-bagaimana yang kita kehendaki dengansa-penoh-nya. Sunggoh pun bagitusedang di-jalankan dengan banyak-nya penerangan2 di-jalankan ka-selurohkampong2 dalam Tanah Melayu mi.

Ahli Yang Berhormat dari MuarDalam telah membangkitkan berkenaansoal siaran yang tidak berapa terangdi-Johor. Ini saya rasa pada tahunsudah telah saya terangkan is-ituikhtiar sedang di-j alankan untokmengadakan satu studio di-Johor.Tujuan mengadakan studio di-JohorBahru itu is-lah supaya pendengar2di-Johor Bahru dan juga di-kawasan2Johor sa-terus-nya dapat mendengarsiaran itu dengan lebeh baik dari lebehjelas lagi. Insha' Allah ta' berapalama lagi pada tahun hadapan is-ituta' berapa bulan lagi, pendengar2siaran radio di-Johor Bahru akan dapatmendengar siaran itu dengan chukupjelas manakala siap di-bena studiobaharu kelak.

Berkenaan dengan soal lawak jenaka,Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telah mem-bangkitkan tadi, saya perchaya Ahliitu setuju banyak lawak jenaka RadioMalaya itu, umpama-nya Kebun PakAwang yang sa-lain daripada memberigelak ketawa kapada pendengar2, juga

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memberi pelajaran yang membenakapada pendudok2 kita, terutama sa-kali kapada pekebun2 dan kapadapetani2 kita di-kampong2. Memang-lahmenjadi dasar Radio Malaya bagimembaiki ranchangan ini dari satumasa ka-satu masa dengan berpe-domankan kapada kehendak2 dankemahuan2 dan surat2 yang di-terimadari seluroh Tanah Melayu mi.

Sunggoh pun bagitu, saya sukamenyatakan tentu-lah Radio Malayaini tidak dapat 100 peratus memuaskanKati tiap2 pendengar itu, kerana sa-saorang itu ada perkara yang dia sukadan ada perkara yang dia tidak suka.Walau pun demikian, apa juga ran-changan yang di-siarkan itu ada-lahuntok dan bagi pendengar yang sukamendengar penerangan dan siaran dariRadio Malaya.

Sekarang saya hendak menjawabkapada pandangan Yang Berhormatdart Setapak. Saya uchapkan terimakaseh kapada Yang Berhormat itukerana telah mengalu2kan saya men-jadi Menteri Muda Jabatan Penerangandan Siaran Radio. Yang Berhormatitu telah menudoh bahawa JabatanPenerangan Persekutuan Tanah Melayumembawa kereta penerangan itu mem-ber propaganda di-tempat yang di-ada-kan pilehan raya. Saya tidak fahamma`ana , propaganda itu. Yang sayatahu is-rtu penerangan yang di-jalankandi-sa-suatu tempat itu ada-lah kewa-jipan Jabatan Penerangan memberipenerangan kapada ra`ayat dengan sa-jelas2-nya tentang dasar Kerajaansa-bagaimana yang saga sebutkan tadidan juga ranchangan Kerajaan yangsedang atau pun yang akan di-jalankanoleh Kerajaan. Itu-lah kewajipanKerajaan.

Mr Chairman : Order. The time isup according to the Schedule.

Enche' Mohamed Ismail : Mr Chair-man, Sir, I have not finished myreply yet.

Mr Chairman : The time is up.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $14,901,965 for Heads5. 26 to S. 28 ordered to stand partof the Schedule.

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Heads S. 29-S. 38The Assistant Minister of the Interior

(Enche' Cheah Theam Swee) : MrChairman, Sir, may I have your per-mission to take all the Heads, i.e.Heads S. 29 to S. 38 inclusive underthis portfolio at one time.

Mr Chairman : Honourable Mem-bers, I have given the HonourableAssistant Minister permission to takeall the Heads under the Ministry ofthe interior, i.e. Heads 29 to 38inclusive, together.

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : MrChairman, Sir, Head 29 shows anincrease of only $7,588 over the figurefor 1962. These are increases requiredto meet the normal salary incrementsof the staff and provisions for 3 addi-tional new posts.

It is proposed to recruit a full-timeInquiry Officer whose duties will be tohold enquiries under the Preventionof Crimes Ordinance. At present thereare a number of M.C.S. and also otherState Officers who have been appointedas Inquiry Officers under the provisionsof the P.C.O. would like to paytribute to these officers for the invalu-able service they have rendered parti-cularly when it is considered that theyhave accepted to undertake the dutiesof conducting enquiries in addition totheir normal duties.

The provision for the emoluments ofthe staff of the Board of Film Censorsis designed to cover a period of 3months since it is the intention ofGovernment to set up the Federation'sBoard of Film Censors when the newstudios of the Malayan Film Unit arecompleted in the middle of 1963.

At Head 30, Sir, the Estimates showan increase of $259,987 over that of1962. Hitherto, the provision foradministration of aborigines in variousStates was shown separately but sincethe administration of aborigines is aFederal responsibility it is more appro-priate to group them all together. Theincreases in establishment are in respectof one new post of Chargeman, GradeI, shown as Item 13, and 12 new postsof Field Staff (Education), Grade II,shown as Item (33) of Subhead 1. The

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Chargeman is required to operate anelectrical plant installed at the Dept.'sMedical Centre at Ulu Gombak. Asregards the 12 new posts of Field Staff(Education) these will be filled by suit-ably qualified aborigine teachers whowill be recruited to teach aboriginechildren in 12 newly-completed schoolsin deep jungle.

Under Subheads 2-16 it will beobserved that substantial increase infunds are made available for Welfareof Aborigines in accordance withGovernment policy to provide moreamenities for the aborigines. The pro-vision for Maintenance of Administra-tive Posts and Schools in deep junglealso shows substantial increase sincethere are now more AdministrativePosts, Medical Posts and Schools tobe maintained. All these deep jungleposts and schools were constructedunder the Second Five-Year Plan.

The provision of $90,960 shownagainst Subhead 3 is required to meetpayment to the Royal Malayan AirForce for airdrops of essential suppliesto the deep jungle posts. Hitherto theseairdrops were made on no-chargebasis but as from 1963 for purposes ofaccounting the provision, it is con-sidered, should be shown in the Depart-ment's Estimates.

Sir, the estimated expenditure underHead 31 shows a decrease of $6,035as compared with the 1962 Estimates.The Personal Emoluments componentshows a reduction of $2,433. This isbecause two contract officers have leftthe service on expiry of contract;furthermore, two temporary laboratoryattendants have been dispensed withdue to redundancy and the number ofGraduate Chemists has been reducedfrom six to five. Sir, I might explainthat the posts of Graduate Chemistsare training posts. Honourable Mem-bers may be aware that beforeGraduate Chemists can be appointedChemists, they must take a 2-yearPost-Graduate Course. Three GraduateChemists were recruited in 1962 andtwo more will be recruited in 1963 tomeet the complement of MalayanChemists required to fully Malayanisethe Department by 1965..Against thesedecreases in establishment there is an

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increase of one post of DocumentExaminer to meet the increaseddemand for Document Examination.

Sir, the provision under Head 32shows an increase of $14,457 over the1962 Estimates. This is due to anincrease in the establishment of theFire Inspectorate. The new posts areone Station Officer, two Sub-Officers,two Firemen Drivers and four Fire-men. The Federal Fire Inspectorate hasbeen charged, in addition to normalinspectorate duties, with the responsi-bility of supervising fire preventionmeasures in all Federal Governmentbuildings, including Armed ForcesUnits, throughout the Federation andfor the fire inspection of all FederalGovernment properties and the supplyof First Aid Fire Equipment to ensurethat an adequate standard of fire coveris at all times available. The inspecto-rate is also responsible for the regularservicing and maintenance of all itemsof First Aid Fire Equipment in FederalBuildings. At present the ChiefInspector of Fire Services has to carryout this task single-handed. Clearly, itis not possible for one officer to carryout these inspectorate duties coveringthe whole of the Federation withoutassistance. The new posts when filledwill provide the personnel to balancesomewhat against the duties andresponsibilities which are entrustedupon the Inspectorate.

Sir, at Head 33, the estimated expen-diture remains almost the same as thatfor 1962. The small increase in thetotal provision under Personal Emolu-ments is for the normal salary incre-ments of the staff.

At Head 34, it will be observed thatthe total provision required shows anincrease of $29,635 and this is mainlyattributable to normal salary incre-ments plus the addition of two newposts and a small increase underSpecial Expenditure. The interpolationbetween certain items under PersonalEmoluments is to give a clearerpicture of the set-up of each of thefour separate offices. Taking PersonalEmoluments as a whole there are onlyminor changes in the establishment.The changes are in respect of creation

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of two posts of Stenographer Time-scale against the deletion of one postof Stenographer, Special Grade, andthe addition of one new post of Typist.

The Special Expenditure componentshows an increase of $4,137 and theprovision is required for the purchaseof essential office furniture and equip-ment to replace old and unserviceableones.

The estimated expenditure at Head35 shows an increase of $104,381 overthe 1962 Estimates. The increase isdue to :

(i) normal salary increments of thestaff which is comprised of over600 persons;

(ii) expenditure arising from theappointment of additional staffand related expenditure in start-ing a new Branch Press at Ipoh;

(iii) as from 1963 the StatisticsDepartment's printing unit andstaff will be transferred to thePrinting Department ; and

(iv) recruitment of additional dailyrated staff to enable the Depart-ment to carry out its expansionprogramme.

The establishment of the Ipoh Presswill enable the Department to carryout its expansion programme in connec-tion with printing in the NationalLanguage. The cost of the constructionof the building is met from the Deve-lopment Estimates, and the provisionshown in the Estimates pertaining toIpoh Press is only in respect ofPersonal Emoluments of the staff forthis new Press and other relatedexpenditure.

The Other Charges, Annually Re-current, component shows an increaseof about $70,000 of which $12,000is a transfer of provision from theStatistics Department. The actualincrease in estimated expenditure onOther Charges, Annually Recurrent,is therefore about $58,000 and thissum is required to meet the salariesof daily-rated staff, purchase of "Paperand Requisites" and other relatedexpenditure arising from an increasedcapacity for printing work.

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Mr Chairman : Order ! order. Thetime is up.

House resumes.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker : The sittingis suspended till half-past four thisafternoon.

Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.30 p.m.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

EXEMPTED BUSINESS

(Motion)

The Minister of Education (Tuan HajiAbdul Hamid Khan) : Mr Speaker, Sir,I beg to move,

That the proceedings of the House thisday in Committee of Supply on the SupplyBill, 1963, shall be exempted from theprovisions of Standing Order 12 (1) until8.00 p.m.

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : Sir, Ibeg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved,That the proceedings of the House this

day in Committee of Supply on the SupplyBill, 1963, shall be exempted from theprovisions of Standing Order 12 (1) until8.00 p.m.

THE SUPPLY BILL, 1963

House immediately resolved itself intoCommittee of Supply.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

SCHEDULE

Debate resumed.

Heads S. 29-S. 30

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee: MrChairman, Sir, the estimated expendi-ture under Head 36 shows an increaseof $116,170 over the 1962 provision.

On the P.E. the increase of $84,665in the total provision is mainly attri-butable to an upward revision ofWarders salaries, normal salary incre-ment of the staff and addition of 10new posts.

On the O.C.A.R. there is an increaseof about $38,000 in the provision and

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this is principally due to additionalsums required for Sub-head 2, Item 5to meet the increase in rates for watercharges in Perak, Kelantan and Pahang.Furthermore, additional Warders Quar-ters are being built at Johore Bahru,Taiping, Penang, Batu Gajah, Kuantanand Sungei Patani Prisons and HenryGurney School, Telok Mas under theSecond Five-Year Plan. When thesequarters are completed and occupiedthe light, water and conservancycharges will have to be met.

The provision required for Sub-head 7 and Sub-head 10 too haveproved to be insufficient in 1962hence an increase in the provision isrequired for each of these Sub-headsfor 1963.

As regards O.C.S.E., the provisionrequired is about $6,000 less than thatfor 1962. The total sum of $37,155 inSub-heads 17 and 18 is for acquiringnecessities ranging from typewriters toLatrine Rubber Buckets.

At Head 37, the House will notethat the estimated expenditure for 1963shows a decrease of over $1.5 millionfrom the 1962 provision. The drop inexpenditure is made possible primarilybecause the main work would havebeen completed on 31st January, 1963.Although many of the RegistrationCentres located in the various adminis-trative districts of the Federation willcease to function on 31st January, 1963,it would be necessary to continuecertain Registration Centres in thedistricts where the Operation Exchangehas not been fully completed. Thewinding-up operation in Johore will,therefore, necessitate the retention ofpart of the present staff for a fewmonths longer. The Central Registrywill continue to receive records ofregistration of children as and whenthey attain the age of 12 years, newarrivals in the country, persons dis-charged from the Forces, etc., apartfrom issue of replacement cards onaccount of loss or other reasons.

The post of Commissioner ofNational Registration has since beenupgraded and the provision for thispost therefore requires slight adjust-ment.

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One post of Registration Officerwhich appears as Item 11 of P.E. isto be upgraded to Senior RegistrationOfficer.

The provision of $46,800 underO.C.S.E., Subhead 17, is required forthe purchase of 22 steel cabinets forkeeping records of new registration,Index Cards and changes of addresscards at the Identity Cards CentralRegistry. It is also proposed to placeorders for purchase of 500,000 newIdentity Cards to meet requirements in1963 and thereafter in respect ofregistration of 12 year-old children andfor issue of replacement cards onaccount of loss or other reasons.

At Head 38, Honourable Memberswill note that the estimated expenditurefor 1963 shows an increase of only$4,869 over the figure for 1962.

There is no increase in the establish-ment. One minor variation, though, isthe upgrading of one TechnicalAssistant, Special Grade to TechnicalAssistant, Superscale.

The provision in the O.C.A.R.component is $2,150 higher than thatfor the previous year and this ismainly attributable to extra provisionof $1,600 required for Sub-head 2 aswith the expansion of the Department'swork, more drawing material, films andphotographic paper will be required.Expenditure on Light, Power andWater too is met from this Vote andin 1962 the estimated provision hasproved to be insufficient.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, I now refer to page 194 onDetention Camps. Although someMinisters are smiling happily, I mustsay that yesterday was a black day inthe history of Malaya. It is said thatcoming events cast their shadowsbefore, and here we have the arrest of50 people by the Special Branch on thenight of Saturday or the morning oflast Sunday.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Ra unan :Mr Chairman, Sir, that should bediscussed under Internal Security, notInterior.

Mr Chairman : Proceed.

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Enche ' K. Karam Singh : Sir, such aheavy blow at the freedom of thiscountry has not been struck by thisGovernment before. Such a grave,rapacious, unscrupulous attack on therights of the citizens of this countryhas not been committed before as wascommitted on the morning of lastSunday. The Government is followinga hypocritical policy : outside thecountry they have raised the slogan of"Save Democracy", and in Malaya theysay, "Let us raise a fund to savedemocracy"; but inside Malaya they areengaged in a campaign to destroydemocracy.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe-rang Utara) : Mr Chairman, Sir, on apoint of order Standing Order 36 (2) :I would like to draw attention asto whether this case is still underinvestigation sub judice.

Mr Chairman : Standing Order 36 (3)says :

"It shall be out of order to attempt toreconsider any specific question upon whichthe House has come to a conclusion duringthe current session. . .."

This has been discussed the last time.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : This isunder the Ministry of, the Interior, notInternal Security. The Ministry of theInterior has nothing to do with theMinistry of Internal Security whichwill be coming up later. We have aprovision for detention camps and theseunfortunate victims are now languish-ing in detention camps.

The Minister of Internal Security(Dato ' Dr Ismail) : The HonourableMember will have the chance to debatethis under Internal Security. Thesepeople have been arrested; they havenot been put in detention camps yet;they are now only under arrest. It isup to you, Sir, whether to take it nowor later. I am ready to reply.

Mr Chairman : (To Enche' KaramSingh) You can raise this underInternal Security later on.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : I ammentioning it in passing, and at theappropriate time we can meet theMinister fully under that Ministry.

Data' Dr Ismail : Mr Chairman,Sir, under Detention Camps he canspeak of the condition of the detentioncamps the persons arrested are notunder detention yet.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, the number of people whohave been selected as candidates forthese detention camps . .

Mr Chairman : That is irrelevant.I have said just now that you cannotspeak on that matter you can referto it under the Ministry of InternalSecurity.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, suffice it for me to say thatthese detention camps and the be-haviour of the Government aredestroying democracy in this country.

I will now go on to Head 30,Aborigine Affairs. Sir, there is anaborigines kampong in Karak, Pahang,and it is called Kampong ChintaManis. In that kampong there areaborigines who have been there forsome time and they have been pluckingdurians from certain trees in the jungleand we may say that they have gotprescribed rights to those trees. Now,the Government has taken over thatarea where those trees are ; it hastaken it over under some scheme. Sir,there is a question of compensation tobe paid to these people for the loss ofthose trees. Towards the end ofOctober there had still not been asatisfactory settlement in respect of thisclaim. However, Sir, what is moredisturbing than the failure to come tosome satisfactory settlement with theseaborigines in Kampong Chinta Manisis the behaviour of the AborigineAffairs officials towards the aborigines.They have been utterly inconsideratetowards them. Mr Chairman, Sir, whenI visited that kampong two monthsago, I was informed by these aboriginesthat if they persisted in pursuing theirclaim for compensation for thesedurian trees, which they feel they areentitled to, they would be arrested bythe Government. This was a threat heldout to the aborigines by some of theofficials of the Aborigine Affairs

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Department . Mr Chairman , Sir, it ismost unbecoming to threaten theaborigines of our country with suchthreats , and if the Minister wantsconfirmation I think he can get thisconfirmation by going to this kampong.Mr Chairman , Sir, further these abori-gines wanted their houses, as is theircustom , to be far from each other'shouse , but the Government has beencloistering them together in one place,and that is militating against thecustoms of the aborigines . In thisrespect also the aborigines had beenbadly treated and, due to the un-developed state of their civilisation andsociety and to their being aborigines,we feel that they should be entitled tobetter treatment than has been metedout to them by the Pahang AboriginesAffairs Office . Mr Chairman, Sir, Ihave been informed that after I wentto this kampong and heard thegrievance of these aborigines, thoseaborigines were further threatened bythe officials of the Aborigines Depart-ment for having spoken to me andbrought this matter to my attention.This is also to be regretted ; youcannot go on intimidating these simplepeople of our jungles.

Mr Chairman , Sir, now I will cometo Head S . 34-under Trade UnionsDivision, Deputy Registrar of TradeUnions. Sir, the Government has beendeceiving itself, deceiving this countryand deceiving the world by itspronouncements on the trade unionmovement . The Government has beenpaying lip service to the fact that theywant a free and democratic trade unionmovement in this country, but theactual fact is that the Government hasbeen suppressing the trade union move-ment in our country . Mr Chairman,Sir, I would quote the Malay Mail ofFriday, November 16, 1962

"Do not force unions to register--Germanlabour boss, Kuala Lumpur, Friday."

And the German labour leader is MrA. Kamanar , President of the PublicServices International , which hasaffiliates representing three millionMembers, and his union , Mr Chair-man, is not a communist union. It isopposed to communism. Now, this is

what he said in his interview withthe Malay Mail:

"'My opinion is that trade unions inMalaya are not really free.' He contendedthat compulsory registration of unions wasan infringement of the rights of a citizenof an independent and democratic countryand not in keeping with Malaya's status."

"Nowhere else in the world except inGermany shortly after World War II andin countries under colonial rule was thisrequired of unions."

I repeat that "nowhere else in theworld except in Germany shortly afterWorld War II and in conutries undercolonial rule was this required ofunions".

"He urged the Government to ratifyConvention 87 of the International LabourOrganisation , of which Malaya is a member,which gives the trade union movement fulland free rights of association. Mr Kamanarexplained that if the Convention was ratified,registration of trade unions would not beallowed."

That means they would not berequired to register.

Mr Chairman , Sir, recently in theMalay Mail of December 11th 1962we find a very significant statement.On the first page of Malay Mail datedTuesday 11th we find the headline,"Unions warned of bids by reds tocontrol workers" "More than 90trade unions affiliated to the MalayanTrades Union Congress have beenwarned of the danger of Singapore'scommunist -inspired unions gainingcontrol of 500,000 unorganised Chineseworkers in the Federation ." Mr Chair-man, the article goes on :

"Their sights are now trained on the halfa million unorganised Chinese workers inthe Federation, and therein lies the realdanger . Let it not be forgotten that it took12 years of war costing several thousandlives and many more dollars to end theEmergency . Failure to assess the realsituation today and prepare ourselves tomeet the challenge will be a crime againsthumanity , whose freedom is so essential forthe free and democratic growth of themovement.

"But in the Federation itself 300,000workers were in unions , leaving four timesthat number out unorganised . That is areal danger to the movement , says thememo . It recommends to the M .T.U.C. toseek outside help if necessary to organise theone million unorganised workers. Simul-taneously the policy should be to encouragemore and more leadership from among theworkers , especially Chinese and Malays. Only

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in this way could there be any real integra-tion of the workers."

Mr Chairman : You are not goingto read the whole paper?

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Only thesignificant parts, Sir. So we have theadmission there are 300,000 peoplein trade unions and four times thatnumber unorganised and not in tradeunions. So, Mr Chairman, this is aglaring admission that Malaya's tradeunion movement is not democratic asyet, because a democratic trade unionmovement would mean a trade unionmovement embracing the overwhelm-ing majority of the workers. But inthe registered trade union movementthat we find in Malaya today, fourtimes that number are excluded fromthe trade union movement. So thismeans that four times the number ofpeople who are in trade unions havebeen deprived of their right to formtrade unions in our country. Thiswould show that the Government isonly being hypocritical and not at allserious when it says that its aim isto try to build up a democratic andindependent trade union movement.Another significant fact we find isthat simultaneously the policy shouldbe to encourage more and moreleadership from among the workers,especially Chinese and Malays. Thisstatement reveals that the Governmenthas been fostering one or two tradeunion leaders who are Indians and notChinese and Malays and these peoplehave been carrying out the policy ofthe Government and the policy of theemployers.

Twin Syed Ja`af ar bin Hasan Albar:Tuan Pengerusi, on a point of order,36 (1). Saya fikir perkara yang di-chakapkan oleh Yang Berhormat itutidak ada kena-mengena denganPegawai Pendaftar. Pegawai Pendaftarkewajipan-nya mendaftarkan TradeUnion, dia bukan menubohkan TradeUnion. Kalau ada salah dan silap itubukan salah Pegawai Pendaftar. Jadisaya fikir perkara itu tidak ada kena-mengena.

Mr Chairman : Ada sadikit kena-mengena. (To Enche' K. Karam

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Singh)--But I want you to make itas short as possible.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : So, MrChairman, this is a clear admissionthat the Government has been domi-nating the trade union movementwith the help of one or two tradeunionists from the Indian communitywho were willing to trade themselvesto the Government for high posts andfor favours. Their's was not tradeunionism but trading business and notgenuine dedication to the trade unionmovement. Mr Chairman, Sir, we hopethat the Government will no longermake all the noise that it has beenmaking in the past, that it has helpedto develop a free, independent anddemocratic trade union movement inthis country. It has only created aminority trade union movement in thiscountry, while the majority of theworkers are excluded from the tradeunions in Malaya.

Mr Chairman, Sir, under the sameHead, I would touch on the Registrarof Trade Unions. I am not talkingof the gentleman who is in charge now,because I am not being personal, butI am talking of the policy for whichthe money is to be expended, i.e.,the salary of the Deputy Registrar ofTrade Unions. As I have pointed out,this office has been used to limit andrestrict trade unions in this country.The Government has been closing oneeye to certain harmful trade unionactivities in this country and it hasnot, as it professes to do, fostered agenuinely independent trade unionmovement in this country. The tradeunion movement in this country must,most important of all, be free andindependent of the influence of emplo-yers. But in our country we find thatpeople who are dedicated to the emplo-yers have infiltrated into the ranks,into very important positions, of thetrade union movement and it is theduty of every civic-conscious citizenin this country to point out thesepeople, who are betraying the tradeunion movement from within.

Mr Chairman, Sir, we do not knowhow far this Trade Unions Divisionreally knows what is going on in the

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trade union movement in our country.Sometimes we find the leadership ofcertain trade unions indulging in verymean and very unhealthy activities.For instance, the Deputy Registrar ofTrade Unions should take note thatin the Sangamaani magazine of the14th December, 1962 the organ ofthe National Union of PlantationWorkers the National Union ofPlantation Workers' leadership hassunk to the level of playing commu-nalism in its magazine. This iscontrary to the Constitution of ourcountry ; it is an offence to promotefeelings of ill-will and hostility betweendifferent races. This paper, Sangamani,is at the disposal of the Government.On page 2, Sir, there is a clear attemptto play at communalism. The leaderof N.U.P.W. has tried to play uponthe communities of Indian origin,communalism within Indians. How arethey going to promote a united tradeunion movement in this country, whichis the professed aim of the Governmentof the Federation of Malaya? MrChairman, Sir, this will only causemisunderstanding and bad bloodamongst the workers of the plantationindustry. And if the Ministry is awareof what is being written in the Sanga-mani magazine, it will find thatsometimes it is no better than drunkenabuse abuse just for the sake ofabusing. This will only contribute todeterioration of the cultural standardsof the workers who read it. Ratherthan serving the workers, what is beingdone is to reduce them to a very lowcultural level. These are things whichthe Deputy Registrar of Trade Unionsmust take note of, and rectify thebehaviour of the National Union ofPlantation Workers.

Mr Chairman, Sir, then I come topage 185, Companies Division, DeputyRegistrar of Companies. I would urgethat the Government take a little; moretrouble in the matter of registrationof companies to find out whether thecompanies that are being registeredare genuine companies, genuine ven-tures with capital behind them, or arejust "bubbles" floated for the purposeof speculation and swindling the poorpeople in this country. For instance,

some time ago a certain companycalled the Maju Trading Company wasregistered. It collected well over$100,000 from estate workers in. Malayaand after some time the doors of theregistered office was always foundclosed, and we do not know what hashappened to all that money. But asfar as we know, that money is irre-trievably lost to the poor workers,who bought shares in this MajuTrading Company. The victims weremostly poor estate workers. So when-ever there is a complaint, the officialsof the Registry of Companies mustimmediately take action to stop furtherloss to the poor people who havebeen deceived.

Enche ' Ahmad bin Arshad (MuarUtara) : Tuan Pengerusi, saya bangunini ada-lah mengalu2kan peruntokanwang kerana Menteri Dalam Negeriini. Sa-lain daripada itu gemar sayamenarek perhatian is-itu pada muka177, Head 30 berhubong dengan orangeAsti. Saya hendak memberi pendapatberhubong dengan orange Asli khas-nya saya tujukan orange Asli di-kawasan saya. Apa yang saya tengokbahawa mereka kurang-lah mendapatpelaksanaan bagaimana yang telahdi-janjikan bagi mereka itu supayamendapat Ranchangan PembangunanLuar Bandar yang di-khaskan bagimereka. Tuan Pengerusi, orange Aslidi-tempat saya itu is-itu sa-jumlahorange Asli yang jinal^ erti-nya merekabekerja sa-lain daripada ka-hutan,mereka bekerja di-estate2 dan di-Pejabat Kerjaraya dengan sebab itu-lahmereka sangat ingin berkehendakkansupaya mereka juga dapat bagaimanaperuntokan Pembangunan Luar Bandaryang di-khaskan kapada-nya.

Dalam perkara yang mereka hendak-kan bagaimana lawatan saya ka-tempat mereka itu ada tiga tempat,satu di-kaki Gunong Ledang, di-Kumpoh, Bekok dan satu di-SawahMering. Ketiga2 kampong ini meng-hendaki supaya Kerajaan memberikankawasan tanah sa-bagaimana orangeyang lain juga . Saya menjunjongitinggi-lah di-atas pengakuan yang telahdi-berikan oleh Yang BerhormatMenteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeribahawa satu masa akan di-untokkan

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tanah sa-bagaimana yang ada dalamPembangunan Luar Bandar kapadaorange Asli di-tempat saya itu. Tetapisampai sekarang perkara itu belumdapat di-jalankan lagi.

Yang kedua, mereka berkehendak-kan balai raya tempat mereka ituberehat lepas daripada bekerja. Balairaya yang di-kehendakkan itu, TuanPengerusi, bukan-lah untok di-guna-kan oleh orange Asti berehat tetapinampak saya dalam buku lawatan itu,ramai pelawat2 daripada Kuala Lum-pur, Negeri Sembilan dan Johordatang di-tempat orange Asli yangmereka itu bila datang, masok-lahketeratak di-tempat orang Asli ituyang bagitu sempit dan kechil. Jadidengan ada-nya balai raya ini bukansahaja muslihat orange Asli tetapiuntok faedah pegawai2 yang melawatdi-situ. Pegawai yang datang melawatdi-situ, Tuan Pengerusi, saya nampakbukan-lah daripada pegawai2 orangAsli tetapi pembesar2 yang saya tanyaorange di-situ, apa-kah sebab pegawai2itu datang di-tempat itu, jawab-nyaorang besar2 ini datang dia mintakapada saya akar chenuai sama bulohperindu. Saya juga hairan orang besar2itu hendak menggunakan akar chen-duai apa-kah maksud-nya yang hendakdi-perindukan-nya, tidak tahu-lah saya.Yang ketiga, Tuan Pengerusi, orangeAsli itu meminta supaya di-buka kelasdewasa, kerana mereka sangat inginhendak belajar membacha dan menulis.Sa-tengah pemuda2 dan pemudi2 itutelah pergi belajar ka-kampong2 untokmendapatkan pengetahuan menulis danmembacha. Saya harap ini akan di-beri perhatian dan dapat di-laksanakankehendak orange Asli di-kawasan sayaitu. Tuan Pengerusi, berchakap dalammuka 193 is-itu head 36 berkenaandengan penjara. Apa yang saya tujukandalam perkara ini is-itu saya harapKementerian ini dapat mengkaji dansaya suka mengeshorkan supaya pen-jara di-Pudu itu di-aleh kapadakawasan yang lain. Saya perhatikanoleh sebab pendudok2 negeri kitaini bertambah ramai dan kalaudapat satu kawasan yang sesuai,dan besar, tentu-lah banyak kemu-dahan2 yang dapat kita berikankapada orange yang salah yang menam-

pang di-dalam penjara itu. Pada masaini kita memberikan kemudahan2kapada orange yang di-dalam penjaraitu belajar, di-berikan juga pelajaranbertukang supaya manakala merekaitu keluar daripada penj ara akan men-jadi ra`ayat yang baik saya memandangsangat-lah sesuai pada masa ini jikasa-kira-nya dapat satu tempat yangberj auhan sadikit.

Sa-lain daripada itu pelanchong2dan orange ramai sa-kira-nya masoksahaja di-bandar Kuala Lumpur inidi-pandang-nya penjara tersergam.Bila mereka nampak penjara datang-lah satu perasaan takut masok ka-dalam Persekutuan mi. Oleh sebab itupatut-lah di-fikirkan dan di-kaji supayadapat satu tempat yang lain. TuanPengerusi, saya hendak berchakapdalam muka 182 head 32 berkenaandengan perkhidmatan bomba. Sayasuka membawa satu perhatian Kemen-terian ini supaya dapat memikirkanis-itu di-adakan balai bomba di-BukitGambir. Kerana di-Bukit Gambir itumempunyai pendudok2 sa-ramai16,000 orang. Ada berlaku tragedy2yang sangat menyusahkan di-tempatitu di-pekan ini ada juga mempunyaipusat2 Kesihatan, Balai2 Raya, majlistempatan, panggong wayang dan 12buah kedai getah dan juga empatbatu daripada tempat itu ada duapanggong wayang telah pernah terjadikebakaran dan panggong wayang ituhangus tidak dapat pertolongan, pernahjuga berlaku store2 getah itu terbakartidak dapat di-selamatkan. Kedai2terbakar telah menyebabkan sa-orangwanita China di-dalam kampong Baruitu telah mati di-dalam rumah yangberkunchi tidak dapat di-selamatkan.Bantuan bomba itu dapat di-datangkandaripada Bandar Maharani Muar kira218 batu daripada tempat itu. Olehsebab yang demikian saya fikir patut-lah di-adakan balai bomba itu untokmuslihat orange di-situ.

Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh) :Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to saya few words on the Ministry of theInterior, Head 29. I see a new itemthere for an Inquiry Officer. The totalamount involved is $9,036. I onlyrise to ask whether we could have anassurance that that Inquiry Officer

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will be a person with at least a basicqualification of barrister-at-law, becausetime and again we have the suggestionthat a person who has experience inlaw will satisfy the requirements of anInquiry Officer. Since this is a specialpost created, I would like an assurancethat he will have at least the basicqualifications of a barrister-at-law, sothat he will know what course toadopt on the question of evidencewhich he receives. This is important,Mr Chairman, Sir, because in theseinquiries counsels are more oftenthan not not allowed to be presentwhen the prosecution present theircase to the Inquiry Officer and thatmakes it all the more important thathe should be a person with adequatelegal training and knowledge.

Again, under the Ministry of theInterior, I would ask that this moneybe provided for the Minister to adopta certain policy . and that is why Icomment under this Head. Sir, fromtime to time we hear of arrests underthe Internal Security Act, or underthe Prevention of Crimes Ordinance,and for all purposes they are, as faras inquiries go, of a similar nature.Even today the papers speak of theSpecial Branch arresting 50 personsthat by itself is irrelevant; but I wouldask the Minister of the Interior toremember one statement which hasbeen made by the same Governmentwhich arrested these people, and itappears in the Malay Mail, it appearsin the Malayan Times and, I think,it also appears in the Straits Times.It is a very alarming statement whichclearly indicates that a new policyshould be adopted by the HonourableMinister, if there is going to be asemblance of justice. Now, Sir, I amnot commenting on the arrest of thesepersons. I shall do that when theInternal Security estimates come up.What I am commenting on is thisthe statement made by a Governmentspokesman from the Ministry ofInternal Security. It says "These menare .... "-I am not quoting theexact words, because I have not thepaper here, but substantially it says"They are clearly guilty of the reasonsfor which they have been arrested."

Now, Sir, a statement like that preju-dices the men even before the inquiryhas started. Here is a Minister whohas to decide whether to accept thereport of an inquiry, and yet on theday of arrest we have a Governmentspokesman saying -I won't be sur-prised if he was the Minister himselfthat these men are clearly guilty of theoffences for which they have beenarrested. Then, Sir, I ask, what is thenecessity for an inquiry if you havealready made up your mind that theyare clearly guilty? Therefore, I appealto this Minister, who is a person oflegal knowledge and legal training tosee that no Minister of the Government,and no spokesman of the Government,in future dares to make a statement ofthat nature in this quasi-judicial matterwhich will be coming up for inquiryand before, perhaps, a court of lawin this country. If you are going todo that, then you are making a farceand foolery of the administration ofjustice by judicial bodies, or quasi-judicial bodies, because you are theperson who will finally say whetherthey are guilty, whether the allegationsare proven or not proven. You shouldwait for the inquiry to make the recom-mendations-and do not start to openyour mouth before that inquiry sits andhas an opinion to give after giving afair hearing to these men who havebeen arrested.

Mr Chairman, Sir, now I go toCommissioner of National Registration,Head 37. Here I would ask the Minis-ter to consider giving an extension oftime for the period of changing IdentityCards. It i clear, whatever the reasonsmay be, that the changing of IdentityCards cannot be completed by thetime originally fixed. Let us at thisstage not go into the reasons, whosefault or wherefor. Let us adopt asensible attitude and give an extensionof time, making it clear that thatwould be the only one and finalextension of time given, because I donot think that it will be within thepowers of this Government to pro-secute thousands and 'thousands ofpersons, who would not have, perhaps,taken out new Identity Cards by thetime the present period expires. This

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has been asked for by the publicthrough various channels , includingthe national press of this country, andby representations to their Membersof Parliament and other bodies of thecountry . I think it would be a wisestep to do so to save embarrassmenton all sides , because if there is alaw we must enforce it; if we do notenforce it, it will be wrong. Mr Chair-man, Sir, I make a strong plea forthat, because it is necessary in viewof the large numbers that have nottaken out their Identity Cards.

Mr Chairman , Sir, I go back againto the Ministry of the Interior and theMinister himself , and I ask that headopts a policy of perhaps sendingcircular letters or departmental instruc-tions to Heads of Departments , parti-cularly those who have to purchaselarge quantities of materials on behalfof the various Departments from shopsor business concerns in this country. Ithink it would be advisable to tell theHeads of these Departments that it isnot advisable for them to go and pur-chase private properties from com-panies from whom they have to pur-chase for the Government largesupplies of materials.

Now, I bring this up because ofcertain information which I havereceived by letter. I think this willhelp the Minister to understand why Ibring this up, and I hope he will adoptthat policy because in the PrintingDepartment $300,000 worth ofmachinery and equipment were pur-chased from the East Asiatic Co. Ltdof Kuala Lumpur . Now, a certainperson working in the GovernmentPrinting Department owned a Vaux-hall Cresta motor car which even in itsoriginal form would not cost morethan , I think, $9,000 odd; it was a1957 model and in 1962 this gentle-man traded in the Vauxhall Crestawith the East Asiatic Co. for a sum of$5,500-a trade -in value of $5,500 fora 1957 Vauxhall Cresta and in addi-tion to that he got a discount an anew Fiat 2300 higher than anybodycould usually get-a 15 per cent dis-count . I am not mentioning names forthe moment , but it does not taste verynice when you purchase $300,000

worth of materials and you get $5,500as trade-in price for a VauxhallCresta, 1957 model, in addition togetting a 15 per cent discount on thenew car. Therefore, to save allembarrassment, it would be best ifthis gentleman did not deal in privatematters with a firm from whom theDepartment has to buy large quantitiesof materials for the Government.

Again, other examples can be given.In 1962 there is a firm here known asSpicers Ltd, Kuala Lumpur, localrepresentatives for an Australian paperfirm. A certain Department again, thePrinting Department purchased, thistime by tender no doubt, one hundredthousand reams of duplicating paperto the total value of $250,000. Some-body in the Department was offeredand here I am subject to correction asI must check my information and Ithink he accepted a free trip to Aus-tralia with free hotel and all expensespaid. This year, again the same firm,and no doubt again by tender, has gotthe same contract for one hundred andnine thousand reams of paper worth$250,000.

Now, I say it is wrong for personsin these Departments to deal withfirms which have such large businessconnections with the Government ofthis country. I do not say that thepeople working in the GovernmentService cannot go and buy motor carsfrom the same firm where they buygoods for the Government, but I saythis : where the circumstances are such,where the connection is so close, wherethe deal itself is so suspect, then I sayit will not leave a good taste in themouth. So, I ask the HonourableMinister, if he likes, to inquire intothese two specific instances, which Ihave mentioned and I am sure manymore will be under the carpet. I thinkit is time that we stop them otherwiseinformation such as this will start toleak out, because when rogues fallapart then you will find big explo-sions.

Enche' Abdul Rauf bin AbdulRahman (Khan Laut) : Tuan Penge-rusi, saya berdiri di-sini is-lahmengalu2kan anggaran perbelanjaan

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bagi Kementerian Dalam Negeri sa-bagaimana yang ada di-hadapan kitami. Saya, Tuan Pengerusi, hendak ber-chakap pada muka 182 is-itu ber-kenaan dengan pekerjaan bomba ataupun Fire Services.

Sa-tahu kita semua ada-lah kaki-tangan Kerajaan, gaji2 bagi kaki-tanganKerajaan ini sama ada pangkat bawahatau pun pangkat atas mengikut gradedia sama semua-nya, umpama-nyasaya katakan-lah saperti office boysdi-Selangor, Perak atau di-mana2 sa-kali pun, gaji-nya masing2 ada-lahsa-rupa, tetapi satu sahaja yang sayamushkilkan is-lah berkenaan dengangaji ahli2 bomba. Yang saya dapattahu, ada di-antara ahli2 bomba inigaji mereka itu tidak sama, umpama-nya ahli2 bomba yang bekerja di-stationKuala Lumpur, gaji-nya itu tidak samadengan ahli bomba yang bekerjadengan station di-Kajang, atau pundi-jajahan2 lain. Saya mendapat tahu,sebab2-nya gaji ahli2 bomba ini tidaksama is-lah mengikut keadaan tempatitu, umpama-nya saperti di-KualaLumpur ini hasil-nya banyak di-dapati.Jadi gaji ahli2 bomba di-sini gaji-nyaada-lah lebeh, sama ada driver ataupun officer-nya ada-lah lebeh daripadatempat2 yang lain, tetapi sekarang ini,kita mendapat tahu bahawa bomba inisudah di-masokkan di-bawah tanggo-ngan Kerajaan Persekutuan semua-nya.Dengan sebab itu, saya suka-lahmenarek perhatian Kementerian iniberkenaan dengan gaji2 bagi ahli2bomba ini, sama ada gaji2-nya ituhendak di-samakan sa-bagaimana yangdi-dapati oleh mereka2 itu berlainan,saperti yang saya katakan tadi, ataupun hendak di-samakan, tetapi padafikiran saya oleh sebab Pejabat Bombaini sudah di-masokkan dalam peganganKerajaan Persekutuan, maka patut-lahsangat gaji2 mereka itu di-samakansama ada dia dudok di-Kuala Lumpuratau di-Seremban, atau di-Kajang, ataudi-mana2 juga, kerana saya mendapatrungutan daripada ahli2 bomba inimengatakan yang perkara ini tidak-lahadil, umpama-nya kalau ahli bombaitu dudok di-Kajang, kemudian diabertukar ka-Kuala Lumpur makadapat-lah pula dia merasa pendapatan-nya berlebeh daripada dia di-Kajang.

Itu-lah sahaja yang saya hendakberchakap dalam perkara ini, dan sayaharap perkara ini dapat-lah penjelasandaripada Yang Berhormat MenteriDalam Negeri.

Enche' Mohamed bin Ujang (Jelebu-Jempol) : Tuan Pengerusi, saya inginberchakap berkenaan dengan TradeUnions yang di-sebutkan oleh YangBerhormat dari Damansara tadi. Pen-dapat saya tentang Trade Unions iniada-lah berlainan benar dengan YangBerhormat dan Damansara itu. Sayaberpendapat is-itu Kerajaan telahberusaha dengan sa-boleh2-nya untokmenggalakkan pekerja memasoki TradeUnions. Tetapi apa yang saya duka-chitakan, Tuan Pengerusi, is-lah sayadapati ada orang yang menchubamenghalang dan membuat amaransupaya kurang mereka memasokiTrade Unions, mithal-nya, peneranganyang di-beri dalam estate itu menge-lirukan pekerja. Mengelirukan yang sayakatakan itu is-lah penerangan itumengatakan Trade Unions denganLabour Parti tidak ada beza-nya. Jadimereka itu berpendapat apabila masokLabour Parti berma`ana mereka sudahmasok Trade Unions. Jadi kalau di-tanya siapa yang menerangkan bagitu,jawab-nya is-lah Labour Parti sendiri.Saya harap Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab memberi penerangan kapada pe-kerja dalam estate itu tentang beza di-antara Labour Parti dengan TradeUnions. oleh tidak ada penerangan itu-lah sebab-nya kurang orang masokTrade Unions, sebab mereka berpen-dapat apabila masok Labour Partiberma`ana telah masok Trade Unions.Sa-bagaimana yang kita tahu dahuluis-itu ada Political Parti yang hendakmasok Trade Unions kerana kepenti-ngan dan faedah mereka sendiri. Ini-lah yang di-jalankan oleh mereka.

Sekarang saya hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan Local Government.Sekarang ini kita dapati Local Councildan Town Council telah di-adakanjalan dengan Pilehan2 Raya. mi ada-lah satu perkara yang baik. Dalampada itu pun kita banyak mendengarcherita yang tidak berapa baik ber-kenaan dengan perjalanan TownCouncil. Saya harap Kementerian inimengadakan satu badan menyiasat

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dengan sa-halus2-nya is-itu ada-kahtiap2 Local Council dan Town Coun-cil itu menjalankan pentadbiran-nya dengan adil dan baik bagi faedahra`ayat. Saya dapati kebanyakan TownCouncil itu banyak menggunakansentimen politik. Jadi chara yang baginiorang ramai yang menderita. Kalaubagini keadaan-nya patut-lah kitamenimbangkan sama ada Town Councilpatut di-adakan Pilehan Raya. Untokmemboktikan kata saya ini, TuanPengerusi, saya suka menarek perhatiankapada Town Council, Seremban. Sayadapati perjalanan Town Council,Seremban, pada masa ini chukupmendukachitakan. Pekerja2 dalam TownCouncil, Seremban, di-pileh mengikutkehendak hati orang yang berkuasa.Mithal-nya, sa-suatu jawatan itu adadi-letakkan sharat2-nya, tetapi di-Seremban mengikut kehendak hatiPresident-nya. Jadi ini satu perkarayang chukup mendukachitakan. Sayadi-fahamkan banyak pekerjaan konterekdi-beri kapada konterektor dengantidak mengadakan tender lagi. Pekerjadalam Town Council, Seremban, sapertiburoh pada masa dahulu chuma 300orang, sekarang hampir 700 orang.Jadi tidak sa-padan dengan TownCouncil, Seremban. Keadaan dalamTown Council itu chukup menduka-chitakan. Parking Place tidak ada.Penjaja berselerak. Mereka tidakmengambil tindakan sebab kepentingansiasah. Oleh sebab keadaan-nya bagini,saya minta Kementerian ini mengada-kan satu badan untok menyiasat semuaTown Council sama ada mereka itumen jalankan pekerjaan mengikut per-atoran.. Yang lebeh mendukachitakanis-lah kadang2 Town Councillor ber-lagak saperti kaki-tangan Kerajaan,mereka itu pergi memereksa pasar,kedai dan lesen saperti InspectorTown Board. Dan saya berani menga-takan ada Town Councillor yang tidakbayar chukai jamban sampai 4-5 tahun.Ini-lah kebudokan-nya. Saya harapMenteri dapat menyiasat perkara mi.

Sa-lain daripada itu saya hendakberchakap berkenaan dengan FireServices. Sunggohpun Fire Servicesini di-bawah kuasa Kerajaan Negeri,saya fikir Kerajaan boleh memikirkansupaya kaki-tangan-nya di-tukarkan

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ka-lain negeri saperti jawatan yanglain. Saya dapati ahli Pemadam Apidi-Seremban lebeh kurang 60 orangyang terdiri daripada orang Melayu, te-tapi pegawai-nya orang China. Sayatidak mengatakan pegawai orang Chinaini tidak baik, tetapi kalau pegawai itudaripada orang Melayu ada-lah sa-suai dengan kedudokan orang Melayu.Saya telah rundingkan perkara ini,tetapi saya dapati pegawai ini tidakboleh di-tukarkan sebab dia StateOfficer. Saya di-fahamkan pula StateOfficer ini datang dari Kuala Lumpur.Jadi macham mana kedudokan-nya,saya tidak tahu. Saya suka mengulangiis-itu saya tidak-lah mengatakanpegawai. China yang ada sekarang initidak baik, tetapi saya hendak supayapentadbiran itu di-susun sa-mula. Pe-gawai yang ada sekarang ini sudah 8tahun di-sana, jadi saya fikir dia patutdi-tukarkan ka-tempat lain. Ini-lahsatu dua perkara yang saya sukamenarek perhatian Kementerian mi.

Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong) :Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like totouch on Supply Head 37, Com-missioner of National Registration. Onthis subject of national registration, Iwould like to draw the attention of theMinister concerned to the recent actionof the Ministry in withdrawing citizen-ship certificates from quite a numberof students on the ground that theyhave been absent from the Federationof Malaya for a period of five years.They were referred to section 132 (2)of the Federation of Malaya Agree-ment, 1948, which states :

"Subject as hereinafter provided, where aperson, who is a citizen of the Federation ofMalaya, has absented himself from theFederation of Malaya for a continuousperiod of five years and is not certified bythe High Commissioner to have maintainedsubstantial connection with the Federationof Malaya during that period, such personshall cease to be a citizen of the Federationof Malaya."

Well, this Federation of MalayaAgreement, as we are no doubt aware,is an old document drawn up in 1948,and I must point out that when thisAgreement came into force ourstudents, who were overseas, were notmade aware of the existence of thisparticular clause in the Federation ofMalaya Agreement. The British High

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Commissioners in the various Common-wealth countries did not make it a pointto inform our students about theexistence of this particular clause. Asa result very few, if not none, of thestudents took action to register them-selves.

The second point is that actions onthe part of the Colonial Governmentat that time and even those of ourGovernment after Merdeka in variousother matters' particularly pertainingto the application for employmenthave given the students the impression,rightly or wrongly, that absence fromMalaya for the purpose of study willnot be considered as absence fromMalaya for the purpose of applicationfor citizenship, because if we look atthe application form for employmentin Government service, at the back ofthe form there is a statement to theeffect that students, or people who wereabsent from Malaya for the purpose ofstudy, their period of absence will notbe taken into consideration in con-sidering whether they are eligible forautomatic citizenship. So, all thesefactors have given the impression tothe students that their absence fromMalaya for the purpose of study willnot be taken into consideration asabsence from Malaya for the purposeof citizenship. So, as a result, Sir, therecent action of the Government inapplying this particular section moreor less surprised most of the students.I can cite many examples of studentswho were away, who were qualifiedfor citizenship automatically--eitherthey were born in Penang or Malacca ;or if they were born in the Federationone of their parents is a FederalCitizen, and as such they felt that theywere entitled to be citizens by opera-tion of law.

Another section here refers to "Aperson shall not cease to be a citizenof the Federation of Malaya underthis clause if, on such cesser, he wouldhave no national status." Even on thisparticular proviso, Sir, I have comeacross a person who was born here,and both his parents are FederalCitizens he is a Eurasian, and sothere is no question that he will haveany other national status ; and the

person concerned was away for morethan five years on a Governmentscholarship. But in spite of all that,he was told that he was not eligibleto obtain Federal Citizenship auto-matically because of the fact that hehad been away, according to section132 (3), for a period of more than fiveyears. It seems to me that it is notthe intention of the Government todeprive people in this particular cate-gory of their citizenship and perhapsthere is an anomaly in the law whichGovernment, until quite recently, isnot aware of. If that is the case, Ifeel that the proper remedy will be forGovernment to amend the law, sothat this very small proportion of thepopulation who are by right entitledto Federal Citizenship automaticallyshould not be deprived of that citizen-ship. In the light of my explanation,Sir, I sincerely hope that the Ministerconcerned will give very serious con-sideration to this anomaly.

I shall now come to the section onthe Registrar of Companies, SupplyHead S. 34. We have heard statementsquite often from the Minister ofFinance and, if I am not mistaken,from the former Minister of Commerceand Industry to the effect that ourCompanies Ordinance is out-dated, andyet up to date the Government has notgiven any indication that they intend toamend the Companies Ordinance, sothat it will fulfil a useful function inthis country. Members will notethat as far as the Governmentis concerned, it has of late consistentwith its policy encouraged citizens topurchase shares of various joint stocklimited companies ; and as a result ofthis encouragement, we find more andmore people in this country buyingshares in companies which have beenquoted at the Stock Exchange. Un-fortunately for most of thesesmall shareholders, they have noconnection whatsoever with the con-trolling powers, which are more or lessconfined to very small groups ofpeople who own very substantial sharesin the various companies ; and in viewof the inadequacies Of our CompaniesOrdinance, the directors, the smallgroup of directors, the controlling

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directors of various limited companies,are at liberty not to disclose certain vi-tal information to the shareholders. Forexample, in the United Kingdom, inAustralia and in other places, directorsof companies are compelled to prepare,if they are holding companies, whatthey describe as a Consolidated Profitand Loss Account and a, ConsolidatedBalance Sheet of the company. Withthis balance sheet all the assets andliabilities of the subsidiary companieswill be included in the balance sheetof the parent company. By so doing,every shareholder of the company willbe able to know, by looking at thebalance sheet, what the company isworth, because whatever the profits orwhatever the losses of all the sub-sidiary companies these will be in-cluded in the balance sheet of theparent company. So, at a glance, youwill be able to know exactly howmuch each particular share is worthaccording to the books. However, Sir,our Ordinance makes no provision forthat. It merely requires a company tosay that, as far as the balance sheetis concerned, it does not include allthe assets and liabilities or the profitsof the subsidiary companies, but onlyto the extent of dividend that has beendeclared by that subsidiary company.So, as a result, we may have a com-pany with a large number of veryprofitable subsidiary companies makingvery huge profits, but the profits ofthe subsidiary companies will not bereflected in the balance sheet of theparent company. It will be reflectedonly to the extent of dividend declaredby them. So, as a result of this, thebalance sheet of the parent companywill not reflect the true position of thecompany at the date of the balancesheet, and as a result a shareholderis in no position to know whether hisholdings in this particular company isworth more than the market value orotherwise. It will be very difficult forhim to assess. So, I feel, Sir, that thisis a very urgent matter. I feel thatvarious holding companies here shouldbe compelled to prepare consolidatedbalance sheets. And if the Minister isof the view that it may take a verylong time to go in for a full scaleamendment of the Companies Ordin-

ance, I feel that at least they shouldgive serious consideration to makeprovisions in the Companies Ordinanceto require all companies with subsi-diaries to prepare consolidated balancesheets. It is only by so doing that thevery small shareholders will be in abetter position to judge as to the truevalue of their holdings in the variouscompanies, and this is particularlyimportant because of the fact thatthere has been a very large numberof members of the public who ownshares at the moment. I hope theMinister concerned will give seriousconsideration to this suggestion.

Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin HajiAbdul Ghani (Pasir Mas Hulu) : TuanPengerusi, dalam muka 175 Board ofFilm Censors di-Item (26). TuanPengerusi, saya suka hendak berchakapsadikit dalam penapisan filem2 dalamnegeri ini kerana pada masa ini kitadapati banyak film2 yang di-tunjokkandi-Tanah Melayu itu merupakan pro-paganda2 Kristian yang membahaya-kan anak2 dan orange Islam yangmenuntun-nya.

Lebeh2 lagi anak2 orang Islam yangmaseh mentah harus tertarek kapadafilem2 yang mengandongi propagandaKristian. Saya berharap supaya pehakLembaga penapis filem dapat menyiasatperkara itu dengan dalam-nya supayafilem2 yang boleh merosakkan anak2orang Islam saperti saya sebutkantadi di-haramkan daripada di-tayang-kan. Dan juga filem2 yang menunjok-kan chara permainan gangster yangboleh merosakkan anak2 kita sendiridi-takuti akan mengikut jejak langkahbagaimana chara2 permainan itu patutjuga di-awasi bagi kemasokan filem2jenis ini dalam negeri ini. Bagitu juga,Tuan Pengerusi, sa-bagai satu bangsayang telah merdeka yang sedangmembangun hendak-lah kita juga mem-bina kebudayaan bangsa kita, danmemelihara kebudayaan kita daripadadi-hinggapi penyakit2 kebudayaan ku-ning yang datang-nya dari barat ataudari mana2 sa-kali pun. Tuan Penge-rusi, satu penyakit yang sedangmenular dan merosakkan kebudayaankita di-negeri ini pada masa akhir2ini is-lah wabak tarian twist. Ia-itusatu seni liar yang datang dari barat,

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telah di-import menerusi filem2 yangdi-datangkaii dari Hollywood dan jugaEropah. Soal ini hendak-lah mendapatperhatian Lembaga Penapis Filem dansaya menuntut supaya Lembaga inimengharamkan filem2 yang ada me-nunjokkan tarian liar twist itu di-tunjokkan di-negeri ini, atau sa-kurang2-nya di-potong pemandangan2twist itu. Ada pun tentang twist itu,Tuan Pengerusi, saya tidak-lah pernahmelihat-nya, apa lagi menarikan-nya.Saya mendapat ma`alumat2 ini dari-pada sa-orang ahli kebudayaan (Buda-yawan) negeri ini yang telah menyaksi-kan sendiri tarian2 itu dan telah mem-buat analisa dan perbandingan dengantarian2 kebangsaan negeri ini. Menurutahli budaya itu, tarian twist itu ada-lahsatu tarian liar yang tidak sesuai dengankeperibadian pendudok2 negeri ini,dan sama sa-kali tidak sesuai dengankeperibadian orange Melayu: TuanPengerusi, Yang Berhormat MenteriPelajaran dahulu juga, jika saya tidaksalah pernah mengecham tarian twistitu dan juga mengharam dengansa-hebat-nya manakala sadikit masadahulu ada kaum2 guru di-negeri iniyang bersengaja hendak mengembang-kan tarian twist itu dalam negeri mi.Menteri Besar Perak juga pernahmengutok tarian twist ini. MenteriPAS Kelantan bukan sahaj a menge-cham bahkan akan memerangi tarianini habis sa-kira-nya datang ka-Kelantan. Tuan Pengerusi, tarian twistini bukan sahaja pernah di-terangkanoleh Menteri Besar Perak boleh mema-tahkan pinggang2 gadis2 Melayu atauboleh menyebabkan salah urat pinggangkalau di-tarikan. Tetapi juga menurutpendapat ahli budaya yang menj adisahabat saya itu nama-nya tidak perdusaya terangkan di-sini mengatakantarian itu sangat liar dan akan me-musnahkan sama sa-kali rasa sopansantun penari2-nya. Orange yang menaritwist ini konon-nya walau pun merekatidak berpegang2 tangan saperti orangeyang menari tarian rumba atau sambadan sa-bagai-nya, tetapi penari2 ituakan menggoyang2kan seluroh anggota2badan-nya, terbongkok2, terhayon2,terjongkit2 saperti orang "Kemiangan"sahaja menurut rentak lagu twistyang langsong tidak ada lembut danlunak-nya. Sa-benar-nya, Tuan Penge-

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rusi , tarian twist ini konon asal-nyaada-lah tarian yang telah di -chiptakansa-telah ilham dari sa-orang bintangfilem Hollywood yang menari2 sambilmengesat badan-nya sa-lepas mandi.Pendek kata , Tuan Pengerusi, tariantwist ini betul2 liar dan membayangkan"Kemiangan" bagi saya saya gelarkan"Tarian Kuis", kerana saya katakantarian kuis itu kerana menurut cheritaahli budaya itu, si-penari itu terutama-nya yang pasangan lelaki -nya betulterkuis2 saperti hendak menguiskansesuatu yang jauh. Tidak payah-lahsaya terangkan apa-kah benar cheritadari ahli Budaya Melayu yang sayakatakan itu, maka boleh-lah MenteriYang Berhormat itu sendiri menyaksi-kan dengan Lembaga Penapis Filemitil supaya dapat benar2 ada-kah tariantwist itu merosakkan atau tidak.Kechaman2 sahaja oleh Menteri2 ituatau directive sahaja untok membantut-kan perkembangan wabak twist (atautarian kuis) itu tidak-lah berkesankalau filem2 yang menunjokan anikaragam twist itu maseh di-pertunjokandi-negeri ini dengan tidak ada sekatanatau halangan . Kerana sa-bagaimanasaya sebutkan tadi kalau sa-kira-nyakita tidak mengambil berat mungkinakan merebak lagi sebab khabar-nyaada tarian2 barat yang lebeh liar lagisudah pun di -filemkan dan mungkintidak lama lagi akan membanjirisaperti di -panggong2 di-negeri mi.Kalau sa-kira -nya Kerajaan tidak me-ngambil apa2 tindakan sahaj a orangemuda , bahkan kanak2 bersama2 melihatfilem2 tarian twist ini dan akan me-rosakkan kebudayaan kita dan akanmerosakkan akhlak2 anak2 kita. Olehitu, Tuan Pengerusi, satu daripadatarian2 barat yang liar yang telahmerebak juga di-negeri ini di-bawaoleh filem2 barat is-lah tarian cha cha,.calypso , tarian ini juga sangatmenghairahkan penari2 -nya menurutahli budaya Melayu sahabat saya itu.Dan saya harap Lembaga PenapisFilem dapat mengharamkan filem2saperti ini, dan biar-lah Yang Berhor-mat Menteri kita sendiri menyaksikanfilem itu, sa-lepas memerhatikan charatarian twist itu, saya perchaya YangBerhormat Menteri itu akan bersama2dengan saya dan sahabat saya bahawatarian twist ini ada-lah merosakkan

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kebudayaan negeri ini dan akanmerosakkan akhlak2 orange muda atauorange ramai.

Saya berharap pehak Lembaga Pe-napis Filem ini akan dapat bertindakbagi mengharamkan sa-bararg pertun-j okan filem2 tarian twist supaya denganpengharaman itu harus-lah terbantuttarian2 twist liar mi.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe-rang Utara) : Tuan Pengerusi, sayaingin mengambil bahagian dalam per-bahathan ini mengenai peruntokan bagiKementerian Dalam Negeri. Yangpertama, saya ingin menarek perhatianYang Berhormat Menteri is-itu kepalakechil 12 "Development of LocalCouncils and other Rural Services"peruntokan sa-banyak $350,000. Sayaingin mendapat tahu dari Yang Ber-hormat Menteri bagaimana-kah chara-nya wang ini di-belanj akan bagikepentingan kemajuan Majlis2 Tem-patan.

Kedua, saya ingin menarek perha-tian pada kepala 33 KerajaanTempatan. Tuan Pengerusi, sayamenyokong pendapat Ahli Yang Ber-hormat wakil dari Jelebu-Jempolsupaya Kementerian ini menubohkansatu Jawatan-Kuasa untok mengkajihal perjalanan Majlis2 Tempatan dandengan kajian ini; akan di-adakan satupenyata, mudah2an dapat-lah Majlis2Tempatan ini menjalankan tugas-nyamasing2 demi kepentingan pendudok,atau kawasan yang di-hadkan olehMajlis Tempatan itu. Ada juga rungut-an yang kita dengar mengenai pentad-biran-nya itu tidak bagitu sempurna,dan saya berharap Yang BerhormatMenteri supaya adakan kursus2 bagiahli2 Majlis Tempatan itu, dan sayajuga berharap kapada ahli2 yang bij akdi-atas perkara pentadbiran Majlis2supaya di-kumpulkan semua ahli2Majlis Tempatan di-sa-sabuah negeriitu dan; di-beri kursus2 kapada mereka.Dengan ada-nya kursus yang sa-macham ini, saya perchaya akanmendatangkan banyak f a.edah kapadaahli2 yang bertanggong-j awab bagimentadbirkan Majlis2 Tempatan itu.Sa-bagaimana yang kita dapati, adabanyak perkara2 yang di-laksanakanoleh Majlis2 Tempatan ini ada ber-

lainan daripada satu Majlis ka-satuMajlis yang lain. Saya perchaya kalaudi-adakan kursus2 yang sa-machamini dan juga di-adakan penyelidekandan kajian berkenaan dengan per-jalanan Majlis Tempatan ini dan di-buat satu laporan bagi panduan Majlisitu, saya perchaya ini akan memberifaedah yang baik bagi perjalananMajlis itu, kerana chara memunguthasil, chara mengenakan chukai, charamelaksanakan undang2 kechil bagiMajlis2 tidak sempurna di-jalankan,kalau di-adakan satu laporan danpenyata maka dapat-lah di-tadbirkandengan lichin-nya.

Kerajaan Tempatan ini ada-lah luasma`ana-nya dengan meliputi MajlisPerbandaran, Majlis Bandaran, TownCouncil, Majlis Daerah, sa-bagaimanayang ada pada hari ini dan kita ada-kan Pula Majlis Local Council sa-bagaimana yang di-adakan di-tiap2kampong is-itu pendudok2-nya ta'kurang dari 2,000 orang. Denganyang demikian patut-lah Kementerianini meniliti sama ada perjalanan di-satengah2 Majlis itu maseh lagi adakegunaan-nya bagi pendudok2 dalamtempat itu, kalau tidak ada, patut-lahdi-gantikan dengan satu Majlis Pena-sihat sahaja, dan kuat-kuasa pentad-biran Majlis itu di-tentukan sa-hinggaka-peringkat bandaran, atau ka-pering-kat daerah sahaja, dan yang lain2 itupatut-lah di-adakan penasihat, keranaMajlis Tempatan itu di-bawah pentad-biran daerah, atau di-bawah MajlisPerbandaran, atau pentadbiran ban-daran.

Lagi satu perkara, saya inginmenarek perhatian pada kepala 38Town and Country Planning. Jabatanini ada-lah satu jabatan yang mus-tahak, oleh kerana negara kita ini ada-lah satu negara yang muda, makapatut-lah jabatan ini menjalankan satuchara bagi membuat plan untok selurohPersekutuan Tanah Melayu denganlengkap-nya, kerana pada masa seka-rang ini manakala sa-suatu MajlisBandaran, atau Majlis Perbandaran,atau Negeri hendak meminta nasihat,maka baharu-lah kaki-tangan pej abatini memberi nasihat-nya. Yang sa-molek2-nya patut-lah jabatan ini mem-buat ranchangan yang khas, plan yang

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khas bagi meliputi seluroh TanahMelayu mengikut persesuaian, meng-ikut tempat yang akan di-majukandalam masa atau tempoh peringkat,katakan-lah sepuloh tahun, dua pulohtahun atau tiga puloh tahun dan denganada-nya ranchangan2 yang lengkapsaperti itu maka dapat-lah Kerajaan2Negeri dan Keraj aan Tempatan me-mandu atas nasihat2 supaya jabatanini membuat ranchangan2 kemajuanbagi Majlis2 Tempatan, atau pun MajlisBandaran dengan sempurna dan ter-ator. Kalau tidak ada satu ranchanganyang tegas di-atas perkara ini, harus-lah pada masa hadapan kita akanmengalami beberapa kesulitan sa-bagaimana yang di-alami oleh Majlisitu sekarang ini, saperti mengenai jalanraya, perumahan, perusahaan danlain2 maka ini banyak-lah kerumitan,kerana pada masa dahulu tidak adasate plan yang sempurna untok di-ikutioleh pehak2 yang berkenaan.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya berasa kesaldi-atas uchapan Ahli Yang Berhormatwakil dari Damansara yang telah di-uchapkan-nya tadi. Sa-bagaimanayang kita tahu, Ahli Yang Berhormatitu ada perselisehan faham di-antaradia dengan Yang di-Pertua AgongN.U.P.W. Jadi saya fikir, Ahli YangBerhormat itu mengeluarkan kenya-taan di-Rumah yang mulia ini ada-lahtidak bijak, kerana itu ada-lah perkarapersaorangan yang mana beliau adapertelingkahan dengan Yang di-Pertua N.U.P.W. yang beliau tidakdapat untok hendak membela diri-nyadalam Dewan ini. Sa-patut-nya kete-rangan yang sa-macham itu di-elakkandaripada di-bawa ka-dalam Dewan ini,kerana sangat merugikan kapada pehakyang berkenaan dengan tidak adapeluang bagi mereka untok membeladiri-nya, sekian, terima kaseh.

Puan Hajjah Zain binti Sulaiman(Pontian Selatan) : Tuan Pengerusi,saya hendak berchakap dalam Head35 berkenaan dengan . Jabatan ChetakKeraj aan. Banyak buku yang di-keluarkan oleh pengeluaran buku inibuku luchah dan. liar yang tidak dapatdi-kawal daripada di-bachai oleh anakkita yang muda2 termasok budak2ini, Tuan Pengerusi . . . . .

Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad(Bachok) : Tuan Pengerusi, on a pointof order 36 (1). Ada-kah buku2 luchahitu di-terbitkan oleh Government Prin-ting?

Mr Chairman : Government Printingtidak mengeluarkan buku2 luchah.Masaalah yang di-hadapan Majlis iniis-lah dasar bagaimana chara wang itudi-belanj akan.

Puan Hajjah Zain binti Sulaiman :Saya fikir semua sa-kali Printing di-kawal oleh Kerajaan . .. . .

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : Can Ihelp to clarify the position? I thinkthe Honourable Member can speak onthe subject due to the fact that theMinister of the Interior is also respons-ible for the question of publication.

Puan Hajjah Zain binti Sulaiman:Terima kaseh. Saya akan tunggumasa-nya.

Enche' Zulkidee bin Muhammad :Tuan Pengerusi, saya bangun hendakberchakap berkenaan dengan DeputyController of Publication di-dalamItem (10) dan Chairman, Board ofFilm Censors di-dalam Item (26).Tuan Pengerusi, satu daripada perkarayang bersangkutan dengan Controllerof Publication dalam negeri ini is-lahmengawal penerbitan2 yang membahayakan negeri ini dan berlawanandengan kepentingan kehidupan ra`ayatnegeri mi. Di-dalam surat khabarMalay Mail hari ini Kementerian initelah menyatakan bahawa enam buahbuku yang telah di-haramkan padatahun ini berkenaan dengan Islam.Dan boleh jadi ada di-antara-nyabuku bukan Islam, saya tidak tahu.Saya nampak ada di-antara buku2 ituada-lah buku yang telah di-bahathkandalam Dewan mi.

Saya minta Yang Berhormat Menteridalam melakukan jasa baik-nya supayabuku2 Islam yang di-tulis oleh orangyang bukan Islam yang berlawanandengan kepentingan dan kebenaranyang kita ketahui bersama hendak-lahdi-siasat, dan apabila ternyata is itumembahayakan hendak-lah di-haram-kan. Saya minta di-adakan Badan

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Penyiasat, sama ada berhubong denganMajlis Raja Melayu dengan per-antaraan Jawatan-Kuasa Tetap-nyamenasihatkan dalam hal buku itu atautidak. Tuan Pengerusi, ada sa-buahbuku bernama "The Great ReligiousLeader" yang di-karangkan olehCharles Porter, keluaran dari NewYork. Di-dalam buku ini telah di-perkatakan soal2 yang mengenal NabiMuhammad s.a.w. dan Islam. Sa-buahbuku telah di-haramkan oleh Kerajaanis-lah buku "Aishah", dan sebabpengharaman-nya is-lah kerana bukuitu menchachi peribadi Nabi Muham-mad s.a.w. Maka buku "The GreatReligious Leader" yang saya sebut-kan tadi telah mencheritakan hal NabiMuhammad dan membangkitkan sa-kurang2-nya sepuloh perkara yangberlawanan dengan kebenaran yangpatut buku itu di-haramkan. Perkara2itu, antara lain2^ Nabi Muhammad gilaperempuan. Nabi Muhammad memujiorang membunoh ahli sihir. NabiMuhammad menyiksa orang Yahudi.Nabi Muhammad hidup ganjil. Akhir-nya di-bawah sa-kali, sembahayangyang di-wajibkan oleh Nabi Muham-mad itu tiga raka`at. Tuan Pengerusi,ada buku lain saperti yang di-karangoleh Professor Tritton yang bernama"Islam" dan buku "Seven . SacredBooks". Pendek-nya, apabila buku2ini kita perhatikan nyata is-itu meme-songkan kebenaran dan berlawanandengan apa yang di-perchayai olehumat Islam dalam negeri ini daripadasaya chadangkan satu persatu peng-haraman itu lebeh baik saya shorkankapada Yang Berhormat Menterisupaya berhubong dengan Majlis Raja2Melayu supaya perkara ini dapat di-siasat, dan tindakan yang sa-suai dapatdi-lakukan. Saya harap Yang Berhor-mat Menteri mengambil perkataantentang hal mi.

Tuan Pengerusi, pada tahun yanglalu saya telah berchakap berkenaandengan Board of Film Censors danmengeshorkan keanggotaan-nya sapertiyang di-sebutkan di-dalam Estimatesini bahawa Lembaga ini hendak-lah,pada fikiran saya di-anggotai olehorange yang ahli di-dalam kebudayaan,pendidekan dan ugama, sa-lain dari-pada pegawai daripada Kementerian

dan Kerajaan yang memandang darisegi keamanan dan pentadbiran. Sayatidak tahu sa-hingga ka-mana perkaraini telah dapat di-jalankan, tetapi adatanda2 bahawa di-dalam pekerjaanBoard of Film Censors satu helah yangtelah di-buat, dan helah ini-lah yangsaya hendak memperkatakan dalamDewan yang mulia mi.

Apabila di-benarkan penayanganfilem2 yang berunsor ugama yangdi-fikirkan akan berlawanan denganfahaman yang di-berikan oleh umatdan fahaman umat2 Islam dalamnegeri ini maka Board of Film Censorsmelakukan satu perkara cherdek sangattetapi tidak betul is-itu mengeluarkansatu tayangan yang menulis bahawacherita ini ada-lah cherita yang di-ambil dari buku2 dan kitab2 bukanIslam, dan oleh sebab yang demikiankalau-lah di-sipatkan cherita ini sa-bagai filem hiboran sahaja dengan.tidakmenyentoh keperchayaan ugama ka-pada is-itu berlawanan dengan fahamankitab Islam ini ada-lah statement offact yang baik. Tetapi, Tuan Penge-rusi, berlaku-nya demikian tidak-lahdapat melepaskan daripada wuj udmendalam-nya kesan yang burok di-tinggalkan oleh filem2 itu kapada orangIslam. Orang Islam yang tidak dalampengajian-nya akan menggambarkandalam khayal-nya bagini-lah NabiMusa, bagini-lah Nabi Daud danbagini-lah Nabi Isa dan, manusia yangbagini kaya mereka itu hidup. Katakita, ini filem pengajaran tetapi tidakdapat lari dari sedan saperti mem-balek2kan pendapat-nya berkenaandengan Nabi yang dahulu daripadaNabi Muhammad yang di-pandangmulia dan suchi dari segi kita umatIslam. Saya berharap perbuatan yangsaperti ini tidak-lah di-lakukan lagi bah-kan kita dapati benar2 ada bahagianyang berlawanan dengan pengajaranugama Islam yang menjadi ugama rasminegeri ini maka gunakan-fah guntingpemotong supaya demikian terselamat-lah fikiran ra`ayat daripada di-kabor2-kan--di-balek2kan dengan sa-mata2mengelakkan diri dengan perkataanis-itu filem pengajaran.

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ada-lah satu perkara yang mustahakmenghendakkan saya berchakap ini ia-lah jangan-lah kerana planning orangeMelayu masok di-dalam perangkapya`ani keluar di-bandar2. Keranahendak mengelokkan bandar, hendakmengelokkan rumah, mengelokkanjalan membuat planning yang besar2maka orang Melayu yang miskin demisa-hari ka-sahari di-ketepikan. Padamasa dahulu, Tuan Pengerusi, satuplanning telah di-buatkan di-KualaLumpur mi. Dan oleh kerana KualaLumpur ini dudok-nya di-bawahKementerian ini maka saya berharapapa yang di-sebutkan dalam suratkhabar itu bahawa mungkin KampongBharu akan di-pindahkan orange-nyaoleh kerana hendak menyusun bandarKuala Lumpur ini bahawa ini semuatidak akan berlaku. Kita mahu biar-lah apa planning pun tetapi jangan-lahorange Melayu Kampong Bharu inidi-usek walau dengan hujah apa pun.mi ada-lah hak mereka dan biar-lahhidup mereka itu dengan orang yanglain bersama2 jangan-lah kerana men-charagamkan bangunan maka orangyang tidak dapat berkemampuan itudi-ketepikan.

The Minister of the Interior (Dato'Dr Ismail bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rah-man): Mr Chairman, Sir, I just wouldlike to reply to the observations madeby the Honourable Member forDamansara on the question of thetrade unions regarding the registra-tion of trade unions which he choseto bring under the heading of OfficialAssignee. Now, he has stated that thereare so few unions in this countrybecause trade unions have to beregistered, and that this is a discourage-ment to the workers to form tradeunions. By that I assume that heimplies that the trade unions that areexisting now are undemocratic, becausethey chose to register themselves astrade unions. Then he goes on torefer to the statement of the Ministerof Labour in his message to themeeting of the Malayan Trade UnionCouncil and he says that the MalayanTrade Union Council does not repre-sent all the workers in the country,because a large number of workersare not in trade unions. He also goes

on to say this is an assumption thatbecause of registration the Governmentis hindering the growth of trade unionsin this country. Now, Sir, this is areal distortion of the Government'sintention. This is an example of theperversion of the concept of demo-cracy, and I charge the HonourableMember, individually, as being per-versed in his concept of democracy.He knows that the Government isencouraging trade unions withouttrying `to have control over tradeunions. There is a great differencebetween encouragement and trying tocontrol trade unions. What the Ministerof Labour implied was that he hopedthe workers, in their own interest,would form trade unions, so that theywould have a bargaining power withthe employers and this House willnote, and the country will note, thatthe Honourable Member for Daman-sara is indirectly discouraging theworkers in this country from formingtrade unions.

Sir, he chose to attack the NationalUnion of Plantation Workers in thisHouse. This is a cowardly attack,because he knows that the MalayanPlantation Workers Union is notrepresented in this House. If he wantsto attack the Malayan PlantationWorkers Union, he should do itoutside this House, and let the Unionhave a chance to have a "go" at him,and not to resort to this cowardlyattack in this House when he knowsthat he has the immunity of this House.Therefore, we know the calibre of theMember for Damansara.

Sir, from the speech that he hasmade today, he is discouraging workersin this country from forming tradeunions. He has chosen to distort theGovernment's intention in encouragingthe formation of trade unions. I hopethis House, and the country, will notethat, and I hope that all the tradeunions in this country will note thattoo. (Applause).

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, the Honourable Minister hasgot into the habit of using the word"perverse". We also know that thisis the same Minister who on one

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occasion used the word "ferret" andthen had to run to the library to lookup its meaning on being charged fortrying to suppress . . . . .

Data' Dr Ismail : Mr Chairman, Sir,in order to put the Honourable Memberstraight, the word I used was "perse-cution". I never used the word "ferret".I think what he meant was "persecu-tion".

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, the other day on the debateon Brunei, the Honourable Ministersaid that he charged the Oppositionwith being perverse and today hehas selected me individually for hischarge. I am very glad to meet hischarge. I think I have enough strengthin me to meet him head-long.(Laughter). Sir, I would ask him not tooveruse the same words again andagain. If he is short of vocabulary,we can teach him a few words.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I still maintainwhat I have said that this Governmentis an enemy of the trade union move-ment in this country. It has arrestedtrade unionists, it has banned tradeunions, it has banned the giant tradeunion, the National Union of Factoryand General Workers, in this country;and he has never allowed a generalunion to be registered again. Is this banfair to trade unions?

Mr Chairman, Sir, about my attackon the National Union of PlantationWorkers being cowardly, I must tellthis Minister that I have spoken whatI have said outside this House; andI do not have to seek the shelter ofthis House to say what I know aboutthe leaders of the N.U.P.W. I do notseek the shelter of this House. I cansay the same words outside. If theMinister wants me, he can meet mein the Hall, and I will repeat that andhe can go and report it to the leadersof the N.U.P.W. It is not that I amcowardly. It is the Government whichis the enemy of democracy.

Mr Chairman, Sir, to show to theMinister and the Government whichrushes to the aid of the N.U.P.W., Iwill quote from the magazine of the

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N.U.P.W. itself, and this will illustratethe calibre of some of the leadership;and Mr Chairman , Sir, I am preparedto waive privilege on this if theMinister thinks that I dare not face theconsequences of what I say . Sir, theleader or the President of the N.U.P.W.in Geneva in December, 1961, at theI.L.O. Convention of PlantationsWorkers , had this to say aboutindustrial relations on plantations inMalaya . Speaking on industrial rela-tions on plantations , Mr S. P . S. Nathansaid :

"Thanks to the foresight and encourage-ment of the Government of the Federationof Malaya , the industrial relations betweenplantation employers and plantation workersin Malaya are quite cordial. There is mutualrespect for and mutual understandingbetween employers and workers in Malayaonly at the national or top level."

I hope the Minister will take note ofthe words, "only at the national ortop level"

"This is not so true at the estate level,because there are some managers who donot wish or are reluctant to meet anddiscuss matters with union representativeson the estates. Even when they do meet,they do not always allow the union repre-sentatives to sit down and talk; they aremade to stand either inside the office oroutside the window of the office and talk.I would say that in this fast moving world,there is no place for such employers whostill think that the workers are not fit tobe given seats even when discussing mattersof mutual interest to the estate managementas well as the workers."

Sir, this quotation from the Presidentof the N.U.P.W. is taken from a speechmade in Geneva not in Malayathat estate committee members ofunions are not even allowed to sit inthe Manager's office, are not treatedwith respect; and sometimes even theyhave to discuss matters beside thedrain outside the office window. Thisshows the true state of industrialrelations, the extreme disrespect whichemployers give to trade unionists atthe ground level. Despite whatthis Minister may say, and despite whatMr Nathan may say in Geneva, andif the Minister is so justified in hisdefence of Mr Nathan, I would askhim, why has Mr Nathan never daredto bring this matter up in Malaya andrectified it in Malaya?

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Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : MrChairman, Sir, I only hope that theclash headlong does not take place inthese premises, otherwise there may besparks flying around and it would notbe possible for us to look after theHonourable Member, whose head mightwell be in a serious condition.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : The Minis-ter's.

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee: Itdepends on whose head is the harder,as some people have harder heads thanothers and if one does not know howdurian is harvested in this country,then I presume the hardness of thehead must also account for the know-ledge.

Mr Chairman, Sir, the Member forDamansara has expressed his concernover the treatment of aborigines inKampong Chinta Manis. As far as thetreatment accorded to them by theofficer concerned, I shall definitely lookinto the matter, if at all the allegationof the Honourable Member forDamansara was true. But, however, asusual allegations are made in thisHouse by Honourable Members andthen they fizzle out. Any way, I give anassurance that the matter will be lookedinto and to see what is the real causeof the complaint. As the HonourableMember for Damansara had been inthe picture, I might say that it is alsoone of those things that gives rise to

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legislation on companies will be forth-coming.

Now, Mr Chairman, Sir, let me turnto the long lecture given by the Honour-able Member for Pasir Mas Hulu. Hegave a long lecture on dancing andmodern twist together with otherMembers who have spoken more,perhaps, strictly on film "censorship".I have to say that there is in existencea film censors board which deals withfilms which are considered to be notfit for public screening or which are notfit to be released for public screening.If these films touch on religious matters,they are referred to the Ministry whichin turn seeks the advice of an ad hoccommittee consisting of people fromthe Religious Departments : if theytouch on the question of Christianity,advice is sought from people knowledge-able in Christianity and if they touchon Islam, from people knowledgeablein Islam. In those matters which areof a highly, perhaps, technical nature,in relation to the various religions, wetake the advice, more often than not,of the ad hoc committee that adviseson this subject. I, therefore, can assurethe House, as far as the film censorshipis concerned, that there can be norelaxing of this from tight scrutiny thatwe make, so that proper films arereleased for public screening. It is thesame with the question of books. ToHonourable Members, who have raisedpoints relating to the banning of books,

suspicion as to why there is a complaint. I will apply the same answer.

The Honourable Member for Daman- The Honourable Member for Muarsara also mentioned about the Corn- Utara, Sir, has raised the question ofpanies Ordinance and legislation therein, the advantages enjoyed by the abori-I will look into this matter together gines in his constituency. The Memberwith that raised by the Honourable has not pointed out specifically to theMember for Tanjong. I agree and I House or to me as to what he reallybelieve the Government agrees, and the means, but I think, in general, I canMinister of Commerce and Industry safely reply to his query by saying thattoo agrees that the existing Companies there has now been included in, whatOrdinance is inadequate, and there has do we commonly call, the Red Book, anbeen work in progress, and it will not extra page for the development of areasbe long before the whole of the inhabited by aborigines. There is alsoCompanies Ordinance is revised. In the question of adult education whichthis respect, I would advise the Honour- has been extended to, I think, moreable Members for Tanjong and than two thousand aborigines. It is alsoDamansara to direct their views to the fitting to say that in the past more thanMinister of Commerce and Industry, one and a half million dollars havefrom whom I am sure he will get a been spent on rural developmentmore definite reply as to when the projects in aborigines settlements.

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The same Honourable Member hasalso raised the question about the PuduPrison standing in the heart of KualaLumpur. Sir, today I think the Govern-ment would agree with him entirely or,if not, to a good extent . Perhaps, I mayrelate a little story to the House inthat not so long ago a visitor, I think,from Hong Kong came over here andone of his friends jokingly told himthat this Prison was the University ofMalaya . The visitor believed this wasso until after having toured the wholeof Malaya and returned to KualaLumpur when he found that it was, infact , the Pudu Jail ! However, theremoval of the Jail and the selection ofa new site would cost, we haveestimated , in the region of $ 11 million.Sir, in view of the large sum and inview of the other difficulties , perhaps,of finding an alternative suitable site,I would decline to commit the Govern-ment as to when we can really changethe site for a new Jail.

Let me now come to the HonourableMember for Krian Laut who complaintsabout the difference of salaries betweenthe firemen of the Kuala LumpurMunicipality and those in other areas.Sir, Kuala Lumpur Municipality,although objected to by certain quartersfor being controlled by the FederalGovernment, is a locally autonomousbody, and it has a certain degree offreedom to fix the salaries of thefiremen; and this, perhaps, might bethe reason as to why the HonourableMember for Krian Laut has brought itup here.

The Honourable Member for Jelebu-Jempol has questioned the inability andirregularities practised in the SerembanTown Council. Well, the HonourableMember knows it, as well as I do, thatthe Town Council is not controlled bythe Alliance and, perhaps, that is whywe find the irregularities, dirty streetsand things like that. It might be wellfor the people of Seremban to changethe Party who control the TownCouncil, and there lies the remedy, Sir.(Laughter)

The Honourable Member for Tanjongraised the question of students who hadgone abroad to study and having lost

their citizenship after five years absenceunder the Federation of Malaya Agree-ment of 1948. Sir, those students whohave sought the advice of the Honour-able Member for Tanjong must havebeen, I think, mislead or rather ill-advised or wrongly advised by theHonourable Member from Tanjong.Well, the present situation is that thereis power conferred on the Ministerresponsible for treating such absencefrom the Federation for the purposesof study as residence in the Federationand thus qualify as a citizen andtherefore it is not correct, as put for-ward by the Honourable Member forTanjong, that we have deprived suchstudents of their citizenship. By theway, Sir, the provision under theFederation of Malaya Agreement whichthe Honourable Member for Tanjongso proudly read out to this House hadalready been repealed.

Let me now come to the HonourableMember for Ipoh who very stronglycalled for an extension of the registra-tion period for the new identity cards.Sir, there is now another more or lessone-and-a-half months to go before theofficially published date for the end ofthe registration period and from thefigures that we have of persons whohave already obtained their new identitycards, it does not justify at the momentto announce, or to promise even, anextension of the period. It is left to beseen how quickly the public wouldrespond within this remaining period tocome forward to register and it isestimated by the Office of the Commis-sioner of National Registration that itis possible that the period remainingwould still be sufficient to deal withthose who are forthcoming. In the eventof the period having to be extended,well it still remains to be seen and thebest thing to do perhaps in this, whichcan be extended on a two hours noticeby the Minister, is to cross the bridgewhen we come to it.

Then the Honourable Member in hisusual manner came to the question ofasking the Minister to send a circularround all his departments asking officersnot to deal with firms, or make privatepurchases from firms from whom they

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buy materials on behalf of the Govern-ment. I am going to state facts herewhich perhaps the Honourable Memberfor Ipoh would like to verify and thencompare, and if both the figures andfacts are not correct, then one must bewrong and the wrong fact must there-fore be false and false facts I believefrom the dictionary are called lies. Hestated that there was a certain officerwho after purchasing on behalf of thedepartment $300,000 worth of machin-ery went and purchased a car not aCadillac but a Fiat from the firm fromwhich the machinery was purchasedon behalf of the Government and hehad a 15 per cent discount. Sir, thatofficer got only 10 per cent as opposedto the Honourable Member's figure of15 per cent discount. But, of course,the officer could not afford to purchasea Cadillac from another motor car firm;he had to purchase a Fiat from thiscompany. And he purchased it, I aminformed, with an advance from theGovernment, and the trade in price forhis three year old car was not $5,500as stated by the Honourbale Memberfor Ipoh but was $4,000 as offered bythe firm that traded in this car. Further,the Honourable Member questioned thepurchase of duplicating paper and theoffer of a free trip to Australia. Thispurchase, I would like to inform theHouse, was made after the normalprocedure had been gone through andit was a purchase approved by theTenders Board and scrutinised by theTreasury which finally approved thepurchase. The free trip to Australia,Sir, was in fact offered direct to theMinistry from the Australian HighCommission and this offer had theapproval both of the Principal Establish-ment Officer and the Public ServicesCommission and the Treasury. Whatwas alleged by the Honourable Membertherefore, as can be seen from a com-parison of the facts, is not true.

The Honourable Member for Ipohhad at an earlier stage asked for anassurance from the Ministry to see thatthe person appointed as an InquiryOfficer to conduct cases under thePrevention of Crimes Ordinance shouldhave at least the qualification ofbarrister-at-law. Sir, the advertisement

for the post stated that the applicantshould have a legal qualification or hashad experience in holding such enqui-ries. Sir, this is, of course, an absolutelylegitimate query from the HonourableMember for Ipoh' and it is the intentionof the Ministry to appoint officers whoare suitable for the posts and in thiscase I think it is legitimately enquiredinto that the officer appointed shouldhave at least a legal qualification. Thatassurance I give to the House and, ifthe Honourable Member for Ipoh wantsspecific mention, to the HonourableMember for Ipoh.

Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam : On apoint of clarification, I asked whetheran assurance could be given that hewould be a barrister-at-law.

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : MrChairman, Sir, the advertisementstated "a legal qualification" and Ipresume legal qualification means abarrister-at-law or perhaps a solicitorqualified under the Solicitors Ordinanceor whatever it is and there arethousand and one other legal qualifi-cations that exist. I think it would beprudent to say that the appointingbody would definitely know what todo and what to seek for a legal qualifi-cation.

The Honourable Member for Sebe-rang Utara made enquiries on theprovision of $350,000 under Sub-head12 of Head 29 entitled "Developmentof Local Councils and other RuralServices". Sir, this provision will bespent on amenities for local authoritieswhich are not financially autonomousand it will be spent for purposes likethey constructions of roads and bridges,community centres, markets and otheramenities. The procedure whereby thisis done is by way of bids which theFederal Government calls from StateGovernments and they in turn get bidsfrom the local authorities concerned.They are considered on their merits andaccordingly perhaps refused orapproved.

Enche' Tan Phock Kin : Mr Chair-man, Sir, I am amazed to hear fromthe Honourable Assistant Minister,particularly with reference to his reply

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to my queries, and I must say that hedisplayed a great deal of ignoranceparticularly on a subject which he isexpected to know something of. Heprofesses to have legal training andyet he displayed great ignorance of thelaw. He tried to inform this House thatjust because the Federation of MalayaAgreement is being withdrawn, noreference whatsoever should be madeto this particular Ordinance, justbecause that it has been withdrawn.Doesn't he realise that as far as theFederal Constitution is concerned, itmakes provision for the acquisition ofcitizenship after Merdeka. But thereis also a provision in our Constitutionwhich states that all those who arecitizens of this country on Merdeka,who are Federal citizens on Merdeka,will automatically be citizens inaccordance with our Constitution. Andhow did those people obtain Federalcitizenship before Merdeka? Theyobtained Federal citizenship throughthe Federation of Malaya Agreementor through the State NationalityEnactments, and the Honourable theAssistant Minister should know aboutit. And so long as that applies, theprovisions in the Federation of MalayaAgreement pertaining to citizenshipmust apply. If a person was absentfrom the Federation of Malaya for aperiod of five years, that particularprovision in the Federation of MalayaAgreement will apply to him. I havespecific cases of people whose citizen-ship are being withdrawn because ofthat particular provision, or whocannot become Federal citizens auto-matically-and I hope the Ministerwould take great care of that particularword. I am referring to people whoare automatic citizens, I am not referringto people who apply for citizenship.For automatic citizenship, there arecertain provisions in the FederationAgreement, and certain people whoapply for citizenship on the fact thatthey are Federal citizens by operationof law are told by officers of theCitizenship Department that they arenot entitled to be citizens because ofthe fact that they have been awayfrom the Federation of Malaya, evenfor studies, for more than five years,but, however, they can apply for

citizenship by registration by othermeans and under that the Ministercan allow their stay in Australia to becounted. Well, that is another point.I am talking about automatic citizen-ship, and I am afraid the AssistantMinister concerned has displayed greatignorance on this particular aspect ofthe problem. As I have stated before,there were many cases and if theAssistant Minister is of the view thateven in such an instance the Honour-able Minister can make an allowancefor that, that is very good indeed, andI would definitely ask these peopleto ask the Minister for such anallowance. But from their enquiry theywere told that nothing can be done aboutit, and that is why I pointed that outin the course of my speech, becauseit seems to me to be a great anomaly.As to the policy of the Governmentwith regard to the recruitment ofmembers for the Civil Service and forother services, as I have mentionedjust now, there is specific provision tothe effect that their absence fromMalaya for the purpose of study willnot be taken into consideration asabsence from this country. I hope thatwith my clarification on this pointthe Honourable the Assistant Ministerwould have derived some benefitfrom what I have said.

Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam : MrChairman, Sir, I rise only to clarifya few matters. Firstly, I am alsoshocked at the ignorance displayed bythe Assistant Minister on the questionof what is the meaning of legal training.Even a policeman, or a policeinspector, who passes Part I of thelaws of the Federation of Malaya hassome legal training. Therefore, I amnot satisfied with the answer. Theanswer should have been, "if not abarrister-at-law, a person entitled topractise as an advocate and solicitorunder the Advocates and SolicitorsOrdinance". At least that would havebeen a satisfactory answer. As it is,you have kept the door open too wide,and anybody with any bit of legaltraining comes under those qualifica-tions.

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deliberately made no reference to anyindividual, and I do not know howthe Minister knows which VauxhallCresta owner I am talking about.That itself is very significant (Laugh-ter). Which is the Vauxhall Cresta Iam referring to? Is it the guilty onewho comes forward and says, "MyVauxhall Cresta", or is there only oneVauxhall Cresta in the Printing Depart-ment? It is significant. At the sametime, I do not accept those issues. Itwould have been more enlightening ifthe Honourable Assistant Ministerhad been able to tell us when wasthat $300,000 worth of goodspurchased, when was the VauxhallCresta traded in, what is the signi-ficance of the timing, and when wasthe loan asked for from the Govern-ment. That may have explained some-thing, if it is at all explainable butnot merely to say, "Vauxhall Cresta$4,000". Which Vauxhall Cresta?

On the question of the trip toAustralia, I realise that Governmentservants can, with the permission ofthe Treasury, even accept monetaryrewards or presents given at festivalsand other times. But is it the policyof the Government to encourageprivate firms, after getting hugetenders, to give free trips to Govern-ment employees overseas? If that isso, then there is nothing wrong in theman having gone. But I say it is adirty policy, if that is the policy ofthis Government.

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee: Sir, Irise to reply to a few points whichhave arisen from remarks in thisextended debate. The HonourableMember for Tanjong, in his ownignorance, has tried to allege or saythat I am ignorant, and he gave a longlecture in trying to teach me aboutcitizenship laws. Sir, I do not believein being led by the blind.

Sir, coming to the HonourableMember for Ipoh . .

Enche ' Tan Phock Kin: Mr Chair-man, Sir, can I clarify on one parti-cular point? I shall be glad if theAssistant Minister . .

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : Sir, Ido not give way.

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Enche' Tan Phock Kin : . . . . con-cerned speak on facts rather thanpassing vague remarks.

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : I havenot given way, Sir.

Mr Chairman : He does not giveway.

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : Now,Sir, coming to the Honourable Memberfor Ipoh, I would say that it is theway in which the Ministry is run, andI hope the Honourable Members of theHouse will also realise that when anyremark is made, when an attemptedimputation is made on the Ministry,the Ministry makes an investigationand information is obtained in acouple of minutes. When the Honour-able Member for Ipoh spoke heraised certain queries. Answers tothose queries were obtained, andrelevant facts and figures were putbefore this House and placed on theofficial record in order to show andto contradict the facts and figureswhich were put forward by theHonourable Member for Ipoh.

As far as the question of legalqualification is concerned, I agreewith the Honourable Member for Ipohthat there must be, or it is desirable tohave a clarification and to make knownwhat "legal qualifications" means.Well, the Honourable Member wants itclearly to be stated that it must mean abarrister-at-law or a person entitled topractise under the Advocates andSolicitors Ordinance. In this case, Sir,we are prepared to leave the interpreta-tion of legal qualifications to theappointing body which will eventuallyappoint the Inquiry Officer.

Enche ' Tan Phock Kin : Mr Chair-man, Sir, the Honourable the AssistantMinister has made certain allegations,but in making those allegations he wasunable to substantiate them. I believethat it is not the desire of this Houseto allow any Member of the House tomake wild allegations without beingable to substantiate those allegations.I have made allegations that theAssistant Minister is ignorant of thelaw, and I have substantiated my

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statement by giving examples as towhy the Federation of Malaya Agree-ment has something to do withcitizenship. He made remarks that Iam ignorant, but he did not substan-tiate what he said. He merely abusesme by saying that I am ignorant; hemade no attempt whatsoever to provein what way I am ignorant. Whethermy statement about the Federation ofMalaya Agreement has something todo with the citizenship law today, orhas some connection with our Consti-tution, he made no attempt whatsoeverto prove that. So in view of the factthat it is a very serious matter, and it isundesirable for any Member of theHouse to make wild allegations withoutbeing able to substantiate it, I call uponyou, Sir, to ask the Honourable theAssistant Minister to substantiate hisallegations or to withdraw his remarks.

Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam : MrChairman, Sir, I would like to havea few seconds, because I have broughtup an important matter, I understand,without justification. There is onepoint : I would agree with the Ministerthat his . Ministry is so efficient thatwithin a few seconds it gets informa-tion. If he could tell me if he has gotinformation as to when the loan wasobtained, when the car was purchased,in relation to the $300,000 worth ofpurchase, if he has got that, then Itake my hat off to the Minister. If hehas not got that, then, I say, he is notin a position to say that my informa-tion is incorrect.

Enche' Tan Phock Kin : Mr Chair-man, Sir, on a point of order -I haveasked for a ruling from you. Wouldyou kindly give your ruling on this,Sir? Because if there is no ruling, Iassume that an Honourable Member ofthis House is quite entitled to makeallegations without substantiating themwith facts and this will be an impor-tant precedent. If no ruling is made,then I am sure that in this House, anyMember of this House can make wildallegations without substantiating them.As this will have a great bearing ondebate in future and this forms avery important precedent in thisHouse -I appeal to you, Sir, to giveserious consideration to this matter.

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Mr Chairman : Are you going tosubstantiate your statement?

Enche' Cheah Theam Swee : I willabide by your ruling, Sir. The Honour-able Member has asked for a rulingand I am awaiting your ruling.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $15,931,299 for Heads S.29 to S. 38 ordered to stand part of theSchedule.

Heads S. 39 and S. 40Dato' Dr Ismail : Mr Chairman, Sir,

with your leave I will follow thepractice adopted in previous years andwill deal with both Heads of expendi-ture in my Ministry at the same time.They are Head S. 39, Ministry ofInternal Security, amounting to$2,399,380; and Head S. 40, RoyalFederation of Malaya Police, amount-ing to $87,648,815. I move that theybe approved.

Honourable Members will note thatthe expenditure under Head S. 40exceeds that of the 1962 estimates by$2,527.845. I must, however, point outthat in addition to the current year'sprovision a total sum of $740,115 byway of additional supplementaryprovision would be required to meetall commitments. Taking this intoaccount, therefore, the excess over the1962 estimates would truly be only$1,823,730. The total expenditure for1963 under Head S. 39 is reduced by$21,029. The two Heads together,therefore, show an increase of$2,506,816 over the provision made for1962.

Sir, the increase by approximately$2.5 million to meet the surplusrequirement should not cause muchalarm. The causes for this increasewill be explained, when I deal with theEstimates proper.

It might be argued that now that theEmergency is long over, except for thearea fringing the Thai/Malayan border,there should be the tendency to reducethe strength of the Police Force andthe expenditure should decreaseaccordingly. In answer to this, I mustemphasise that the end of theEmergency has not meant the end of

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the Communist threat, or that nor-malcy (100 per cent) has returned. Thepresent situation has not as yet madeit possible to reduce the strength of theregular Police, and on the contrary itdemands an increase in strength owingto

(i) the growing threat of Communistsubversion with the consequentincreased danger of riots andcivil disorders;

(ii) the need to provide preventivemeasures against crimes in boththe rural and urban areasconsequent upon the improvedeconomic conditions caused byland developments and theincrease in the field of indus-trialisation generally and tosuppress crimes, including secretsociety activities which are onthe upward trend; and

(iii) the necessity of stepping upmeasures in the combat againstthe threat of militant Com-munism which exists in the Thai!Malayan border area with theconcomitant threat of infiltrationdown the central spine and there-domination of the Com-munists.

Mr Chairman, Sir, in moving theEstimates of the Ministry and thePolice last year, I mentioned the like-lihood that the establishment of thePolice Force would have to be ex-panded, if it was to cope with thedemands of a growing population,development of rural areas and expan-sion of commerce and increase inindustrialisation, and if the high polici-sing standards of this country are tobe maintained, and if modern techni-ques are to be adopted and developedon the right lines. For the information'f the House, certain demands havehad its effect and there has beenexpansion made in the Police FieldForce and the Federal Reserve Units.

Turning now to the Estimates proper,I will first deal with Head S. 39.Honourable Members will note that theoverall estimates for 1963 show a_reduction of $21,029. Sir, a much

greater reduction could have beeneffected but for :

(a) a sum of $16,000 required tomeet rent and rates for the SenoiPra`ak accommodation;

(b) a sum of $7,000 needed for thepurchase of arms and ammuni-tions for the Senoi Pra`ak;

(c) a provision of $212,000 for costof air supply for Senoi Pra`ak;and

(d) part of a provision of $10,000 forthe writing of the history of theEmergency.

The increase of $11,251 under Per-sonal Emoluments has been caused byannual increments and correspondingincrease in allowances and the creationof a new post of "Paper Searcher"made possible by the abolition of onepost of office boy.

Under O.C.A.R. it will be noted thatreductions have been possible in certainsub-heads, but the increase in theoverall expenditure by $209,121 is un-avoidable for reasons I have alreadystated.

Provision for Special Expenditureshows a reduction of $230,250. Of the$343,100 provided, $226,000 is forexpenditure connected with bordersecurity, and this amount is now$152,000 less than that provided in the1962 estimates.

Under Sub-head 22, HonourableMembers will note that only $55,000has been provided as against $105,000in 1962. The SSAFA Sisters (Soldiers'Sailors' and Airmen's Families' Asso-ciation) were first brought to Malayain 1952 to look after the families ofCommonwealth and local securityforces fighting the Communist terro-rists. It was the intention to havethem until local nursing sisters wereavailable to replace them. This can beeffected in May, 1963. Accordinglythese SSAFA Sisters would be com-pletely withdrawn at the end of April,1963. Hence, provision is made onlyto cover the period till April, 1963.I would like to take this opportunityto express that these SSAFA Sistershave contributed extremely valuable

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service, and I consider it only fair toplace on record the grateful thanks ofthe Federation Government, in parti-cular, my Ministry, the Police, and allthose who have benefited from theirvaluable service.

As regards Head S. 40, Royal Fede-ration of Malaya Police, HonourableMembers will note that an increase of$2,537,845 over the 1962 vote is indi-cated. In actual fact, considering a totalrequirement of $740,115 by way ofsupplementary provision to meet com-mitments in the current year, theexcess, as I have said earlier, over the1962 provision is only $1,823,730.

The causes for the increase have beenlargely contributed by unavoidableincreases in the following sub-heads :

(i) Sub-head 16 Rations and Ra-tion Allowance in which therehas been shown an increase of$1,030,000. This vote has beenincreased by approximately 100per cent, and this has been causedby the introduction of the newrates of PFF allowance with effectfrom 1st June, 1962. Prior to thatdate members of the PFF werepaid a compounded operationalallowance of $22 per mensem.Rations were provided to themon payment of $1 per day.Gazetted officers received freerations only during operations,otherwise they meet full messingcharges. This arrangement hasbeen examined and consideredunfair and the Government hasagreed to have the allowancereplaced by a new form of allow-ance known as a PFF (PoliceField Force) Allowance which isbasically a commuted subsistenceallowance less the cost of rations.

(ii) Sub-head 17 Supply and Main-

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tenance of Stores and Equipment:This sub-head is increased by$0.3 million as a result of increasein the establishment.

i) Sub-head 24 Arms and Ammu-nition: An increase of $700,000is shown and this is due to theneed to maintain a constant year'sreserve and also to meet addi-tional requirement of riot unit

equipment as a result of the re-organisation of the PFF to im-prove the public order potential.

(iv) Sub-head 27 Equipment for Po-lice Field Force and FederalReserve Units: The increase of$348,000 is required to equip thePolice Field Force and theFederal Reserve Units, whichhave been reorganised and ex-panded in order to improve thepublic order potential of thePolice Force.

(v) Sub-head 34 Air Supply Equip-ment: The reason for the increaseof $400,000 shown is that inprevious years the cost of airsupply equipment has been metby the Ministry of Defence butearly in 1962 it was decided thateach department should make itsown financial provision to meetthis cost.

The Police have an unenviable andexacting task now and it would becomeno easier. Prevention and suppressionof crimes, the maintenance of law andorder in the face of mounting secretsocieties' activities and violence of gang-sters are routine duties which willcontinue to be carried out with vigilanceand zeal. We are always on guardagainst subversive elements whichform a major threat to the security ofa country. Changing times will bringnew and complex tasks but I am con-fident that the Force, of which I amproud and of which the country canbe proud of, will meet the challengeof the future with determination andthe ability to improve on their achieve-ments in the past.

Sir, I beg to move. (Applause).

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, we find that the policy of theGovernment in power today is a seriesof about-faces. The Prime Ministerinaugurated the Save Democracy Fundand urged the people of Malaya tosupport that Fund. But I think that thedemocracy that has to be saved is thedemocracy in Malaya, and it has to besaved from the irresponsible peoplewho are in power today in this country.They, who have self-proclaimed them-

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selves as champions of democracy, thesaviours of democracy, are the greatestthreat to democracy. Sir, with theirlips they say "Save democracy", butwith their mailed fists they are destroy-ing democracy. They have but one aimnow in the bewildered political situa-tion in which they find themselvesisolated in the world getting intoisolation in this part of the world. Theyhave but now one work, one task,which they have set themselves, andthat is to carry out a "destroy demo-cracy campaign" in Malaya and in theneighbourhood of Malaya. Mr Chair-man, Sir, immediately a few days afterthe Save Democracy Fund was in-augurated we find a very virulent andvery energetic save colonialism cam-paign to save colonialism in Bruneibeing inaugurated by the Cabinet ofMalaya.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman :On a point of order . .

Mr Chairman : Is it relevant?

Enche' K. Karam Singh : I amcoming to it.

Mr Chairman : You are coming toit all right, proceed.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : This Minis-try of Internal Security which we aredebating today is responsible foraiding and abetting in furthering thesave colonialism campaign in colonialBrunei, in North Borneo, by sending150 police to that territory. Mr Chair-man, Sir, what are they going tosave in Brunei? Save colonialism, orare they going to suppress and destroythe democracy that is emerging in thatcolonial territory? Let them notmisuse the position of the Ruler ofBrunei to justify anti-democraticmeasures in that country. A democracywill remain a democracy. When thevast masses of the people ask forfreedom, that is a democratic demand,and before we commit our police inthat area this Minister must ask, mustsearch his conscience and ask aquestion, and that question is : IsHis Highness the Ruler of Brunei afree party, or is he being held captive

by the British and acting underduress?

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman :On a point of order Standing order36 (1). Perkara yang di-chakapkan inidasar luar negeri irrelevant.

Mr Chairman : Dia boleh berchakapsadikit. Don't talk too long on that.This is internal security.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Althoughit is internal security, but what theback-benchers of the Alliance do notrealise is that this internal securitywhich is supposed to be internal isputting out its hands and legs intoexternal affairs, into affairs outside thiscountry. So, we have got to pullMalaya's fair name out of complicitywith foreign adventures in respect ofwhich this Internal Security Ministryshould never have ventured out.Mr Chairman, Sir, I would say thatthis Ministry has in a very deviousand insidious manner used our policeforce as soldiers in Brunei, used thepolice force as an army in Bruneijust to prevent the people of Malayafrom criticising a military action bythe police. Mr Chairman, Sir, it isjust that they have not sent soldiers,because that will arouse world opinion.So, they sent policemen to act assoldiers which is worse because theyare camouflaged soldiers, they aredisguised soldiers, and I would saythat this Ministry, whose Minister isso fond of being perverse, is trying todeceive the country and the world.Mr Chairman, Sir, no one in thiscountry will be deceived even themembers of his own party are seeingthrough this device of the Government.Not only is there a "suppressdemocracy" campaign by this Ministeroutside the borders of this country,but he has also become the chiefcharger in a destroy democracycampaign within our own country.

Enche' Abdul Razak bin Hussin(Lipis) : Tuan Pengerusi, on a point oforder, Standing Order 36 (3) mengata-kan •

"Ada-lah salah pada peratoran meshuaratjika di-chuba menimbangkan sa-mula apa2perkara tertentu yang telah di-putuskan oleh

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Majlis Meshuarat dalam penggal majlis yangada sekarang, kechuali dengan di-keluarkanusul bersendiri bagi membatalkan keputusanMajlis Meshuarat berkenaan dengan perkaraitu."

Mr Chairman : I would like to drawyour attention, that the question ofsending police to Brunei was alreadydebated last time. You are not tomention it again.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : I amalready going to another subject.

Mr Chairman : Standing Order 36 (3)says that :

"It shall be out of order to attempt toreconsider any specific question upon whichthe House has come to a conclusion duringthe current session except upon a substantivemotion for rescission."

Enche' K. Karam Singh : I am nowspeaking under the Ministry of InternalSecurity, and under this Ministry I amentitled to express my views on theaction of the Ministry.

Mr Chairman : On internal security.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, a few minutes ago thisMinister stood up in this House andproclaimed to the world that I, themember for Damansara, was an enemyof the trade union movement in thiscountry. A few minutes ago, he hadthe audacity to stand up and makethat proclamation. Let him look attoday's Straits Times and it would starehim in the face "Special BranchArrests 50 People". Then again :

"Shoe Union, Negeri Sembilan. Mr ChenTeck Chong, the organising secretary ofBahau Branch and Mr Liew Foo Thong,Secretary of Titi Branch, Johore, Mr TanChow Kow, a branch member of JohoreBahru who is also organizer of ShoeIndustry Workers Union. . ."

Two organisers of the Shoe IndustryWorkers Union were arrested and hedares to proclaim to this country atlarge that I am an enemy of the tradeunions. This reminds us of a verysimple device of evading detection. Aman steals his neighbour's fowls, heeats them, has a good meal of them,and he goes and leaves the feathersbehind someone else's house. This iswhat the Honourable Minister has tried

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to do. He has tried to put the feathersof the fowls that have been eaten byhis Ministry at the door of someoneelse and I, having seen him doing that,would return them with thanks andask him to bear the burden of thosefeathers.

I say that yesterday was a blackday in the history of our country.Fifty people were arrested by theofficers of this Ministry of InternalSecurity they have been arbitrarilyarrested, their fundamental rights havebeen trampled underfoot and they maybe detained for an indefinite period.Their homes have been broken, thelivelihood of their dependents has beenwrecked, and yet we find some light-hearted back-benchers saying that thisis only a threat to the Socialist Front.These people who have been arrestedare citizens of this country and thismatter touches the rights of citizens.

Mr Speaker, Sir, tomorrow in casethese back-benchers feel dissatisfied withsome policy of the Government, theymay find themselves being given thesame treatment. So let them not laughtoo much (Laughter). Mr Speaker, Sir,there is a steady attempt by certainHonourable Members of this House to;augh at serious issues. Wheneverpeople's families are broken, when theyare deprived of their freedom, we findthe Honourable Member for JohorTenggara coming out with a big horselaugh. Mr Chairman, Sir, if this wereto happen to him and his wife, andchildren were to be left stranded, thenwe would like to see him laughin the same way. But this only showsthe irresponsibilities of the GovernmentMembers in this House towards thesufferings of others, the irresponsibili-ties to the suppression of fundamentalrights in our country.

Mr Chairman, Sir, the greatest andheaviest and most serious blow wasstruck against democracy on Sundaymorning; we do not know whether itis a death blow, or whether democracywill still stagger on under the repeatedand constant attacks to which it hasbeen subjected to by the AllianceGovernment. Mr Chairman, Sir, thecountry was peaceful and yet the

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Government acted in this drastic andextreme manner. The Government mustrealise one thing : we are trying tobuild up a constitutional practice inthis country and the Government isbehaving as a pure dictatorship, intentupon crushing the rights of the Opposi-tion. Mr Chairman, Sir, the Govern-ment must know that its actions willonly discredit parliamentary democracy.For our part, we will not give up ourfaith in parliamentary democracy. Butif the Government carries on in thisway, we will say that it will destroythe faith of the people in parliamentarydemocracy, and the sole and only causefor that destruction would be theGovernment in power today. Mr Chair-man, Sir, the Government is sowinga very dangerous course it is sowingdragon's teeth in its path. We wouldurge the Government to see that itdoes not adopt anti-democratic mea-sures, that it gives the people theright to organise and win elections sothat, if the masses at large do notlike the policy of the present Govern-ment, through elections they can changethe Members of Parliament and theGovernment; and if they can do so insufficient measure, the Government willautomatically be changed. But theGovernment has only one motive, andthat motive is not to allow itself to bedivided in an election. So the onlyway is to arrest members of Oppositionparties, who are capable of organisingthe masses, of mustering the peoplefor the next elections. So, Mr Chair-man, Sir, we find that the Governmenthas already entered upon a coup fromabove and by gradual stages it iscorroding away and overthrowingconstitutional process. You do nothave, Mr Chairman, Sir, to suspenda constitution at one blow, you do nothave to arrest all the Opposition atone blow. You can do it piece-meal-and this is what the Government isdoing.

Mr Chairman, Sir, yesterday theSocialist Front issued a statement inwhich it said that democracy had beenravaged. Mr Chairman, Sir, the Govern-ment today is ravishing the very con-cepts of democracy, trampling themunderfoot. And what sort of an educa-

tion are you giving the people? Youare giving up, throwing overboard allconceptions , all politics, through elec-tions , through public meetings; youare forcing upon the country a methodof terror which we condemn and whichwe say is not to the benefit of thiscountry. The Prime Minister of ourcountry has often said--in fact herecently said it that India and Malayaare the only two countries in Asiawhich profess parliamentary demo-cracy-but, Mr Chairman , Sir, thatparliamentary democracy is being des-troyed . What the Government shouldrealise is that we on our part will bearto the last, to the utmost , and we willnot be provoked by the Government,or by the Minister who may try toprovoke. However, Mr Chairman, Sir,it will not set a good precedent forthe country . We will stand here to thelast for democratic process, for consti-tutional process. But the Governmentis not doing it. The Government isbringing constitutional and parliamen-tary democracy into disrepute. Theypay lip -service to it , but their actionsare smashing democracy day by day.

Mr Chairman , Sir, this is only thepath to an open dictatorship by theAlliance Party, an open and unabasheddictatorship , and they have lost theright to criticise dictatorship outsidethis country , because the dictatorshipwhich they claim to abhor in othercountries has come down upon us inthis country itself . Today, simulta-neously with publications of figures forthe Save Democracy Fund in India, wefind, as I have said , the "DestroyDemocracy" campaign carried out bythe Federation of Malaya Government.In this "Destroy Democracy" campaignthe Government does not have to appealfor funds from the people . It does nothave to appeal for donations; it canmuster the resources of Government inthis campaign. It does not have to getpopular support ; it can work againstpopular support.

Mr Chairman , Sir, this shows thatthe whole machinery of Governmenttoday is geared to a cause of politicalsuppression in our country . Althoughwe have the semblance of a parliament

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here, I have no hesitation in saying thatthe Cabinet has established a dictatorialregime in this country. This Parliamentis only an outward show but, within,the forces of dictatorship have alreadybeen let loose and are working havocupon the people. The Government doesnot consider the consequences of itsactions upon the people.

Sir, we have visited a few of thefamilies of the arrested persons andthey were crying. They were in despairand they did not know how they weregoing to live in the next few days. TheGovernment does not consider thiselement of its actions, and to the extentthat you treat the masses, the masseswill love you less for it. We ask theMinisters this : you have deprivedpeople of staying with their familiesfor years and years together, but if theMinisters are in town have they everstayed away from their families? Justas their families are dear to them, thefamilies of these persons who have beenarrested are also dear to them and tothe extent that you seek to break themup, you will set forces loose, forces thatwill not look with gratitude towardsthe actions of these Ministers.

Mr Chairman, Sir, we have heard,we have read in books, of people incountries under dictatorship, countriesruled by Hitler . . . . .

Mr Chairman : That has no connec-tion with this Ministry.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : In thesecountries where dictatorship exists -Ican produce any number of such bookscirculated in Malaya at any time thereis a knock on the door and at a veryodd hour of the night anyone can bearrested. This is the sort of thing thatis building up a fear complex in ourcountry. At any time the Governmentis taking upon itself the right of goingand knocking at the door of anycitizen's house and marching him awayfrom his family and this can onlyoccur under the vilest dictatorship onearth. Under a dictatorship, there is no'respect for family, there is no respectfor the rights of husbands, wives andchildren, and I emphasise once againthat it is only under the vilest dictator-

ship that this sort of action can beexpected.

Mr Chairman, Sir, coupled with this,there has been a visit by the Police tothe Labour Party Headquarters andthe Socialist Front Headquarters. Thevisiting of these Headquarters is verysignificant. It may be only a first moveto get the people accustomed to thissort of thing, it may just be the build-ing up of threats up to a point, andthe next time you go farther. This hasa very sinister significance. We do notknow, we are in suspense, as towhether the Government is going to gointo a total and all-out suppression ofOpposition parties in this country. Atthat sinister hour in the morning ofSunday, the Police went to their Head-quarters. If the Headquarters of leadingOpposition parties in the country arenot safe, what is safe in this countryfrom the all-powerful interference ofthis Government? There is nothingsacred, nothing private, nothing inviol-able to this Government. If you canthreaten the very Headquarters ofpowerful Opposition parties, whatsecurity have the branches of theseparties? What security have otherpolitical parties from these sinisterraids of the Government?

Mr Chairman, Sir, on this issue ofdemocracy, all persons in the countrymust unite to check the Government inits probe for the total destruction ofthe rights of the people of this country.The Government must be warned thatviolent actions will only breed trouble,that peaceful actions will contribute topeace in the measure that if you arepeaceful there will be peace in thecountry, in the measure that if youviolate the constitutional process youare setting very dangerous precedentsfor an attack. The Government todaycondemns unconstitutional politicalprocedure, unconstitutional attempts,but it is suppressing, it is killing,constitutional organisations in thiscountry, so what weight are we to placeupon the words of this Government?In what way does this Governmentdiffer from other violent forces thatexist in history? In what way is itdifferent from or better than those? Inwhat way are the peaceful people of

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this country to judge between the rightwing terror of the Government and theother unconstitutional forms of action?What is the dividing line, or is it aquestion of error against terror?

Mr Chairman : Order, order. Timeis up. It is now 8 o'clock p.m.

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Mr (Deputy) Speaker: HonourableMembers, I have to report that theCommittee of Supply on the SupplyBill, 1963, has progressed up to HeadS. 38 of the Schedule of the Bill. TheCommittee of Supply will resume to-morrow. The House is adjourned to10 a.m. tomorrow.

House resumed. Adjourned at 8 p.m.