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I N THE UNI TED STATES DI STRI CT COURT
FOR THE MI DDLE DI STRI CT OF PENNSYLVANI A
I N RE: :ANDREWJ . OSTROWSKI : Case #1: 10- MC- 0064:
BEFORE: HONORABLE MATTHEW W. BRANN
PLACE: Wi l l i amspor t , Pennsyl vani a
PROCEEDI NGS: Mot i on Hear i ng
DATE: Tuesday, August 27, 2013
VOLUME: One
APPEARANCES:
ANDREW J . OSTROWSKI , ESQUI REDON A. BAI LEY, ESQUI RE4311 Nort h 6t h St r eetHarr i sbur g, PA 17110
HUBERT XAVI ER GI LROY, ESQUI RECHRI S VANLANDI NGHAM, ESQUI REMart son Law Of f i ces
10 East Hi gh St r eetCar l i sl e, PA 17013
GAREN O. MEGUERI AN, ESQUI RE21 I ndust r i al Boul evar dSui t e 201Paol i , PA 19301
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I NDEX TO WI TNESSES
FOR PLAI NTI FF: DI RECT CROSS REDI RECT RECROSS COURT
Stephen Schwart z, M. D. 18 30 34 37
St ef an Phi l i p Kr uszewski 46 82 83
Andr ew J . Ost r owski 104 134 144, 162 153
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I NDEX TO EXHI BI TS
PLAI NTI FF: I DENTI FI ED ADMI TTED
Exhi bi t No. 1 19 45
Exhi bi t No. 2 47 96
Exhi bi t No. 3 53 96
Exhi bi t No. 4 69
Exhi bi t No. 5 69
Exhi bi t No. 6 69
Exhi bi t No. 7 69
Exhi bi t No. 8 69
Exhi bi t No. 9 88
Exhi bi t No. 10 148
Exhi bi t No. 11 162 162
Exhi bi t No. 12 163
DEFENDANT: I DENTI FI ED ADMI TTED
Exhi bi t No. 1 136 158
Exhi bi t No. 2 138 158
Exhi bi t No. 3 138 158
Exhi bi t No. 4 140 158
Exhi bi t No. 5 141 158
Exhi bi t No. 6 142 158
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( 10: 04 a. m. , convene. )
THE COURT: Good morni ng. We are here t hi s morni ng i n
t he i nt er est of Andr ew J . Ost r owski , docket ed bef or e t hi s Cour t
t o number 1: 10- MC- 64. Mr . Ost r owski , you' r e her e.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: And you are r epr esent ed t hi s morni ng, I
under st and, by Don Bai l ey, Esqui r e. I s thi s Mr . Bai l ey?
MR. OSTROWSKI: J ust f or a ver y l i mi t ed pur pose. He' s
goi ng to make one pr el i mi nar y mot i on and I ' m goi ng to handl e
al l of t he evi dent i ar y aspect s of t hi s pr oceedi ng.
THE COURT: Al l r i ght . And t hi s i s Mr . Gi l r oy.
MR. GILROY: Good morni ng, Your Honor. Hubert Gi l r oy.
I have wi t h me Chr i s Vanl andi ngham, an associ ate i n my of f i ce.
THE COURT: Al l r i ght . Good mor ni ng. Ar e we r eady t o
proceed?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Mr . Ost r owski , i f you woul d l i ke t o make a
br i ef openi ng st at ement , i f you t hi nk t hat ' s hel pf ul t o or i ent
t he Cour t , you may do so.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Yeah. Wel l , I ' l l t ake a coupl e
mi nut es t o do t hat . Thank you f or t he oppor t uni t y, Your Honor .
THE COURT: You' r e wel come.
MR. OSTROWSKI: We are her e on what was l abel ed a
mot i on t o r eopen/ r ei nst at e. The pr i mar y pr emi se of t he mot i on
was t hat at t he t i me t hat I was or i gi nal l y di sci pl i ned i n t he
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year 2010, my suspensi on order f r omt he Pennsyl vani a Supreme
Cour t was Febr uary 9t h, 2010, was f or a year and a day. And
t hen t he Mi ddl e Di st r i ct , t hr ough J udge Kane, under t he
r eci pr ocal di sci pl i ne pr ovi si ons, adopt ed t he same di sci pl i ne
and made i t ef f ect i ve i mmedi at el y; I t hi nk t hat was on or about
March 23rd, 2010.
At t he t i me I had gone thr ough t he Pennsyl vani a
pr ocedur es - - t he Pennsyl vani a di sci pl i nar y pr ocess, I di d not
put on any medi cal evi dence i n my case, because I have a
hi st or y t hat , i n a wor d, i s not hi ng shor t of humi l i at i ng. I
had been t hr ough a good f i ve or si x year per i od of some j ust
awf ul per sonal ci r cumst ances and humi l i at i ng cour se of conduct
and exper i ences.
At t he t i me - - you know, i t was dur i ng t hat per i od of
t i me where I was goi ng t hr ough what , you know, was an anxi ety
peri od and, you know, a whol e bunch of , I guess, emot i onal t ype
of sympt oms and t hi ngs of t hat nat ur e. I r eal l y di dn' t have a
a physi ci an. I was ki nd of l ef t abandoned i n many ways by a
physi ci an by t he name of Dr . St ef an Kr uszewski who was assi gned
t o me or I met hi m t hr ough t he Lawyer s Concerned f or Lawyer s
t hr ough t he Pennsyl vani a Bar Associ at i on. I have some hi st or y
of subst ance abuse i ssues t hat ar e f ul l y deal t wi t h and
r esol ved at t hi s poi nt .
But t he poi nt t hat I ' m get t i ng t o i s dur i ng t he
di sci pl i nar y pr ocess i n Pennsyl vani a, I di d not have what
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was - - what i s cal l ed Br aun ethi cs; t he case of Commonweal t h
ver sus Br aun i s t he case t hat adopt ed the st andar ds t hat gover n
mi t i gat i ng medi cal / psychi at r i c evi dence i n di sci pl i nar y
pr oceedi ngs. And f r ankl y, you know, t he per i od of t i me f r om
about 2005 thr ough 2007 or 8, I j ust di d not have anybody who
coul d poi nt t o tel l me what t he heck i s goi ng on wi t h me, what
i s wr ong wi t h me.
So when i t came t o t he di sci pl i nar y pr oceedi ngs, I
j ust acknowl edged t hat t her e were ci r cumst ances t hat I had l ost
cont r ol of . And I mean, basi cal l y t he way I have expl ai ned i t
f or t he year s si nce t hat t i me i s I - - you know, and I have
apol ogi zed t o peopl e. I have apol ogi zed t o ever y j udge of t he
Mi ddl e Di st r i ct Cour t . I have apol ogi zed t o ot her j udges. I
have speci f i cal l y apol ogi zed t o cl i ent s on t he basi s t hat I
al l owed my per sonal ci r cumst ances t o i nt er f er e wi t h my
pr act i ce. And i t caused gr eat humi l i at i on and embar r assment t o
me, and I t hi nk you know caused some i nconveni ence and
aggr avat i on and di scomf or t t o j udges and cl i ent s. And t hat ' s
pr et t y much how I have handl ed t hat si t uat i on. And t hat ' s
pr et t y much how I def ended my di sci pl i nary pr oceedi ngs.
Si nce t hat t i me, and actual l y i t was t hi s year ,
J anuar y of t hi s year , I , you know, had cont i nued t o j ust - -
dur i ng my di sci pl i ne I j ust cont i nued t o keep mysel f occupi ed
and do thi ngs and, you know, j ust ki nd of cont i nued t o moni t or
mysel f and do what I needed t o do. And i n J anuary of t hi s year
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I got di agnosed i t wi t h post t r aumat i c st r ess di sor der . I had a
t r aumat i c bur n over 16 per cent of my body. I have got scar r i ng
on my back and my ar ms t o show i t . Thi s was i n t he year 1973.
When I was hospi t al i zed i n 1973 at a Cat hol i c hospi t al , Sai nt
J oe' s Hospi t al i n Lancast er , you know, pai n management and pai n
t r eat ment wer en' t pr i or i t y medi cal i t ems t hat t hey ar e now.
And I was not gi ven Mor phi ne. I was gi ven r eal mi l d ki nd of
pai n medi cat i ons.
And as a r esul t , my syst em has been, you know, under a
sever e st r ess and st r ai n f or 40 year s. And I have deal t wi t h
t hi s i ssue f or 40 year s. I have a monkey of f my back t hat I
am - - can do not hi ng but t hank t he Lor d i n heaven t hat I have
of f my back. But al so, now I have a medi cal di agnosi s t o
operate under .
My cont ent i on f or t hi s hear i ng i s t hat had I been
pr oper l y t r eat ed and di agnosed i n t he past , whi ch my doct or ,
who i s goi ng t o be our f i r st wi t ness, wi l l t est i f y i s j ust
obvi ous that t hi s i s a PTSD i ssue. Had I been pr oper l y
di agnosed and t r eat ed, A, I never - - wi t h t hese di sci pl i nar y
i ssues, al l of whi ch came up under a t i me of i nor di nat e st r ess
and ment al di st r ess f or me, never woul d have occurr ed, and B,
had t hey occur r ed, t he hear i ng, t he evi dence, woul d have been
subst ant i al l y mi t i gated by what i s now a di agnosed medi cal
condi t i on.
So my mot i on, as somet hi ng of al t er nat i ve r el i ef i s
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asked t hat t he mot i on t hat my ol d di sci pl i ne be r eopened and
t hat t hi s new evi dence be accept ed i nt o t hat r ecor d. Al t hough
we' r e st i l l her e under t he same docket , so I don' t know how - -
you know, t her e i s not hi ng t o go back and open except maybe
J udge Kane' s March 2010 order . And t hat i n l i ght of t hi s
mi t i gat i ng evi dence, I woul d be readmi t t ed pr ompt l y t o t he
Mi ddl e Di st r i ct Bar or r ol l of at t or neys, however we l abel i t .
Thank you f or t he oppor t uni t y. And now t o Mr . Gi l r oy t o
proceed.
THE COURT: Thank you. Mr . Gi l r oy.
MR. GILROY: Good mor ni ng, Your Honor . I bel i eve t he
pet i t i oner and I di sagr ee pr ocedur al l y as t o wher e we ar e.
By way of background, t he Pennsyl vani a Supr eme Cour t suspended
Mr . Ost r owski on Febr uary 9t h, 2010 f or one year and one day.
Thi s Cour t di d not t ake any evi dence but on March 23r d, 2010
i ssued a r eci pr ocal di sci pl i ne f or t he i dent i cal t i me. Ther e
wer e no pr oceedi ngs bef or e t hi s Cour t except f or t he i ssuance
of t he r eci pr ocal di sci pl i ne.
Mr . Ost r owski f i l ed wi t h t he Pennsyl vani a Supr eme
Cour t on May 10t h, 2013, and i t ' s at t ached t o hi s pet i t i on
bef or e thi s Cour t , a mot i on t o reopen the pr oceedi ngs wi t h t he
Pennsyl vani a Supreme Cour t . That mot i on and answer has been
f i l ed and i t ' s st i l l pendi ng. He t hen f i l es wi t h t hi s Cour t a
mot i on t o r eopen t he pr oceedi ngs/ r ei nst at e t o pr act i ce.
Pr ocedur al l y ther e i s no such cr eat ur e as a mot i on t o
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r eopen bef or e t hi s Cour t , Your Honor . Ther e i s not hi ng i n t he
r ul es. J ust as Mr . Ost r owski j ust sai d, t her e i s not hi ng t o
r eopen i n t he f eder al cour t because t hi s Cour t di dn' t t ake any
t est i mony. Al l of t he evi dence he j ust suggest ed he woul d
pr esent may be r el evant bef or e t he st at e cour t i f t hey
determi ne i f t hey are goi ng t o reopen and l ook at some
mi t i gat i ng evi dence and det er mi ne i f t he di sci pl i ne shoul d be
changed.
But t hi s Cour t , I ' m suggest i ng, i s l i mi t ed t o si mpl y
hi s pet i t i on f or r ei nst at ement , and t hat woul d f al l under Rul e
83. 26. 3 as t o hi s cur r ent f i t ness t o pr act i ce l aw, J udge.
So pr ocedur al l y, I ' m goi ng t o be obj ect i ng i f we' r e
goi ng to go back and see what happened f i ve, si x, seven year s
ago wi t h r espect t o hi s t r eat ment . I ' m suggest i ng t hi s Cour t
shoul d l i mi t i t s scope of i nvest i gat i on t o cur r ent l y what i s
hi s posi t i on and whet her he' s f i t t o pr act i ce l aw.
On t hat par t i cul ar i ssue, J udge, our sol e pr oof wi l l
be pr esent i ng evi dence f r om Mr . Ost r owski , i n l et t er s and
var i ous vi deos, wher e he has made a number of st atement s
concer ni ng j udges of t he Mi ddl e Di st r i ct , ot her j udges, t he
j udi ci ary i n gener al t hat we f eel t hi s Cour t coul d det ermi ne
wi l l put hi m i n vi ol at i on of Pennsyl vani a Rul e 8. 2 and 8. 4
r el at i ve t o t hose act i ons and t hat t hi s Cour t woul d t hen have a
basi s, i f Your Honor i s of a mi nd t o, t o deny the pet i t i on f or
r ei nst at ement .
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But I t hi nk i t ' s a mi st ake, and I ' m goi ng t o obj ect
f or t he r ecor d i f we' r e goi ng t o go back and determi ne whether
t her e i s mi t i gat i ng ci r cumst ances. I j ust don' t t hi nk t hi s
Cour t has j ur i sdi ct i on on t hat . That mat t er i s bef or e t he
Pennsyl vani a Supr eme Cour t . And al l t hi s Cour t di d was do t he
r eci pr ocal di sci pl i ne.
I woul d al so not e, J udge, t hat I know Mr . Ost r owski
has subpoenaed a wi t ness and t he wi t ness i s her e, but I want t o
poi nt out hi s counsel i s her e, Gar en Meguer i an.
MR. MEGUERIAN: Good morni ng, Your Honor .
THE COURT: Good mor ni ng.
MR. GILROY: I j ust want t o poi nt out t hat he i s her e
and he has f i l ed a mot i on, and j ust as a cour t esy t o f el l ow
counsel , I want t o al er t t he Cour t t hat he i s her e.
THE COURT: I appr eci ate t hat . Thank you ver y much.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Your Honor , si nce i t went t o l egal
argument , may I make a br i ef st atement ?
THE COURT: You may.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Pr ocedur al l y, r egar dl ess of me not
havi ng a hear i ng, t here was an order by t he Cour t dated March
23r d, 2010 wher e t her e were no pr ehear i ng memoranda order and
t her e wer e no pr ehear i ng pr ocedur es i n pl ace. I n f act , Mr .
Gi l r oy was not even di r ect ed t o f i l e the response whi ch woul d
have hel ped us t o f l esh out some of t hese i ssues.
Regar dl ess, Rul e 59 and 60, par t i cul ar l y Rul e 60( b)
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f or openi ng pr i or j udgment s, pr i or or der s, woul d pr ovi de the
l egal cont ext i n whi ch t hi s ol d di sci pl i ne coul d go back and
r eopen.
Set t hat i ssue asi de, secondl y, under t he Rul e 86. 23. 3
st andar d, whi ch requi r es me to demonst r ate my compet ence - -
l et ' s see, mor al qual i f i cat i ons, compet ency and l ear ni ng, you
know, t he medi cal evi dence, my pr i or di sci pl i ne i n 2009 whi ch
was adopt ed - - or 2010 whi ch was adopt ed by t hi s Cour t , had
some si gni f i cant evi dence about my ment al competency t hat woul d
r ai se r easonabl e quest i on.
I mean, you know, I don' t - - I t al k of t hi s
mat t er - of - f act l y wi t h peopl e because I under st and what my
hi st or y l ooks l i ke t o ot her peopl e. And r egar dl ess, f or me t o
be admi t t ed wi t h t he r ecor d t hat i s al r eady i n t hi s Cour t , t hat
evi dence woul d be r el evant t o t hi s Rul e 83. 26. 3 st andar d.
Wi t h al l t hat bei ng sai d, I di d want Mr . Bai l ey t o
make a mot i on on t he Rul e 86. 23. 3 st andar d pr el i mi nar i l y bef or e
we proceed.
THE COURT: Al l r i ght . Ar e you r eady t o do t hat at
t hi s poi nt , Mr . Bai l ey?
MR. BAILEY: Yes, si r . J udge, woul d you gi ve me
per mi ssi on t o addr ess you si t t i ng down? I have hor r i bl y bad
l egs t hat ar e - -
THE COURT: I t ' s har d t o st and up? That ' s per f ect l y
f i ne.
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MR. BAILEY: I coul d act ual l y show t hem t o you.
THE COURT: That ' s per f ect l y f i ne. Go r i ght ahead.
You may address me f r om t he seat ed posi t i on.
MR. BAILEY: Thank you, si r , ver y much. Your Honor , I
woul d onl y t ake one mi nut e. I am aski ng t he Cour t f or
per mi ssi on t o mot i on t he Cour t and br i ef . The i ssues of t he
r ul es put us i n a l i mi t ed ent r y of appear ance. Mi ddl e Di st r i ct
Rul e 83. 26. 3 and Pennsyl vani a Rul es of Prof essi onal Conduct
8. 2, r eal l y on Fi r st Amendment gr ounds, Your Honor , f aci al l y,
t hat mot i on and t he br i ef i n suppor t woul d addr ess t he i ssue of
pr otected speech.
Wi t h t he underst andi ng, and Mr . Gi l r oy was ki nd enough
t o copy me on a response t o Mr . St r et t on, and t hat ' s what
creat ed t hi s i nt er est , on t he use of hi s Pennsyl vani a - - PCLRN
I bel i eve. I t ' s a websi t e Mr . Ost r owski r uns. And my
cont ent i on i s - - I have not r ead ever ythi ng on t he websi t e,
si r . But i t i s my cont ent i on f r om what I have seen, i t ' s
cl ear l y pr ot ected speech. Faci al l y t hi s Cour t obvi ousl y - - I
bel i eve i f t hi s Cour t wer e t o see i t , i t coul d r ai se gr eat
concerns.
THE COURT: Gr eat concerns about what?
MR. BAILEY: About t he nat ur e of t hese rul es and t hei r
Fi r st Amendment st at us. They ar e cl ear l y unconst i t ut i onal .
Cl ear l y. Fi r st year l aw school t ype cl ear l y unconst i t ut i onal .
THE COURT: Wel l , I guess I ' m not f ol l owi ng you. Ar e
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you t el l i ng me t hat t hi s Cour t has i n some way shut down t hi s
websi t e?
MR. BAILEY: No, si r .
THE COURT: Then what ar e you t al ki ng about ? I don' t
f ol l ow you.
MR. BAILEY: I bel i eve t hat t he r ul es t hat ar e bei ng
used ar e unconst i t ut i onal as wr i t t en and as appl i ed.
THE COURT: Oh. Al l r i ght .
MR. BAILEY: And al l I want ed t o do, si r - -
THE COURT: What ' s your aut hor i t y f or t hat ?
MR. BAILEY: My aut hor i t y f or t hat woul d be t he Fi r st
Amendment t o t he U. S. Const i t ut i on.
THE COURT: No. No. No. I under st and t hat . But
what ' s your aut hor i t y? Ci t e your case or st at ut or y aut hor i t y.
MR. BAILEY: Case of st at ut or y aut hor i t y?
THE COURT: Yes. Case or st at ut or y aut hor i t y. I
underst and t he Fi r st Amendment . I underst and you' r e speaki ng
br oadl y. But what case l aw suppor t s t hat ? What st at ut ory
aut hor i t y beyond sayi ng t hat i t ' s si mpl y a vi ol at i on of t he
Fi r st Amendment r i ght s? What case aut hor i t y woul d be hel pf ul
and gui de t he Cour t and be per suasi ve aut hor i t y t o t hi s Cour t ?
MR. BAILEY: Wel l , t hat ' s what I want ed t o put i n t he
mot i on and br i ef . But i n Mr . Ost r owski ' s mot i on t o t hi s Cour t ,
I bel i eve i t ' s a mot i on i n l i mi ne. Now, I am not - - I di dn' t
wr i t e t hi s thi ng so I ' m not so i nt i mat el y f ami l i ar wi t h i t , but
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I am f ami l i ar wi t h some of t he cases, Your Honor ; par t i cul ar l y
t he Gent i l e case, Gent i l e, commonl y used i n comment s al l across
t he count r y on i ssues ref er r i ng t o at t or ney di sci pl i ne.
There are al so i ssues concerni ng at t orney di sci pl i ne
not onl y i n Pennsyl vani a' s Const i t ut i on, wher e aut hor i t y i s
vest ed i n t he Supr eme Cour t i nci dent al l y, t o admi ni st er
at t or ney aut hor i t y. You know, t o - - and moder at e i s t he wr ong
wor d. But t he di sci pl i nar y pr ocess on at t or ney l i censi ng.
There are no such provi si ons i n t he f ederal Const i t ut i on. Thi s
i s a whol e new era and a whol e new ar ea wher e many at t or neys
and many i nt erest gr oups across t he count r y ar e argui ng t hese
i ssues.
I wasn' t pr epar ed t o ar gue t he subst ance of t he
mot i on. Of cour se, I have no br i ef i ng f or t oday. I was mer el y
aski ng i f you woul d pr ovi de me permi ssi on t o make a mot i on and
t o br i ef i t and ask Your Honor t o consi der i t . That ' s al l .
THE COURT: Yes, I woul d consi der t hat . And t her e
wi l l be a br i ef i ng schedul e t hat wi l l be i mposed at t he
concl usi on of t oday' s hear i ng. And i f you car e t o of f er a
br i ef i n suppor t of t hi s posi t i on, you' r e wel come t o do so.
MR. BAILEY: I cannot ask mor e of t hi s Cour t , si r .
I ' m gr at ef ul t o you.
THE COURT: Anyt hi ng el se pr el i mi nar i l y?
Mr . Gi l r oy, do you car e to respond t o thi s i n any way?
MR. GILROY: J ust f or cl ar i f i cat i on, I don' t know i f a
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mot i on has been f i l ed or i s t hi s t he i nt ent i on t o f i l e a
mot i on?
MR. BAILEY: I f el t t hat I had a dut y t o ask t hi s
J udge f or per mi ssi on t o f i l e t he mot i on. So I put i t i n t hat
f or m. I t i s actual l y a per mi ssi on t o f i l e a mot i on, wi t h
suppor t i ng br i ef . I bel i eve Hi s Honor has al r eady r ul ed on
t hat . But Mr . Gi l r oy, t her e i s not - - no.
THE COURT: Ther e i s not a mot i on bef or e t he Cour t , i s
t her e, Mr . Bai l ey?
MR. BAILEY: Yes, si r . You' r e r i ght .
THE COURT: You ar e ant i ci pat i ng t hat you ar e goi ng t o
f i l e one. You woul d l i ke t o f i l e t he mot i on, you woul d l i ke t o
f i l e a br i ef i n suppor t of t hat and wi l l be abl e t o do t hat .
That ' s f i ne.
MR. BAILEY: Thank you, si r .
THE COURT: That ' s f i ne. Go ahead, Mr . Gi l r oy.
MR. GILROY: Not hi ng f ur t her , J udge.
THE COURT: Ready t o proceed?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Mr . Ost r owski , cal l your f i r st wi t ness,
who I bel i eve i s a wi t ness who wi l l be obt ai ned t el ephoni cal l y.
I s t hat my underst andi ng?
MR. OSTROWSKI: May I ask t he quest i ons si t t i ng?
THE COURT: That ' s f i ne wi t h me. You may quest i on
f r om counsel t abl e or f r om t he podi um. Pul l t he mi crophones a
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l i t t l e cl oser .
MR. GILROY: Your Honor , i f I may i nt er r upt . I
apol ogi ze. I under st ood t hat per haps Dr . Kr uszewski , i f I ' m
pr onounci ng t hat cor r ect l y, was goi ng t o be t he f i r st wi t ness.
And I j ust - - wel l , basi cal l y on hi s counsel ' s behal f , he came
up her e and he' s f r om Paol i . Woul d t he Cour t consi der
di sposi ng of t hat wi t ness f i r st ?
THE COURT: I woul d but - -
MR. GILROY: I t ' s not my case, but I ' m j ust t r yi ng t o
show cour t esi es t o f el l ow counsel and i t - -
THE COURT: I - -
MR. GILROY: I have an obj ect i on as t o rel evancy of
hi s t est i mony, so t hat mi ght be r ul ed on. We mi ght be goi ng
home qui ckl y i f t he Cour t sust ai ns my obj ect i on.
THE COURT: I underst and t hat . My underst andi ng was
i t was a Dr . Schwar t z. I s that cor r ect , Mr . Ost r owski ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: That ' s cor r ect , Your Honor .
THE COURT: That you want ed t o r each t el ephoni cal l y.
How l ong woul d hi s exami nat i on be, woul d you t hi nk?
MR. OSTROWSKI: I don' t see hi s exami nat i on t aki ng
more t han 10 or 15 mi nut es.
THE COURT: I woul d l i ke t o pr oceed t hen wi t h t he
t el ephoni c wi t ness. And are we r eady t o do t hat? We have a
t el ephone number f or hi m, Mr . Ost r owski ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Yes. I gave i t t o Kat hy.
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THE COURT: And Dr . Schwar t z i s ant i ci pat i ng t he
Cour t ' s cal l ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: He i s. He i s avai l abl e r i ght now.
THE COURT: Mr s. McLaughl i n, do you want t o pl ace t hat
cal l , or Mr s. Campbel l make t hat cal l , pl ease.
( pause. )
"MITCH": Good mor ni ng, Dr . Schwar t z' s of f i ce.
MR. OSTROWSKI: I s t hi s Mi t ch?
"MITCH": Yes.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Mi t ch, t hi s i s Andy Ost r owski . We ar e
i n t he f eder al cour t r oom and Dr . Schwar t z i s expect i ng my cal l .
"MITCH": Okay. Hol d on a second, pl ease.
THE WITNESS: Hel l o.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Good morni ng, Mr . Schwart z. Andy
Ost r owski .
THE WITNESS: Hey.
MR. OSTROWSKI: I ' m i n t he cour t r oom and we ar e on t he
r ecor d i n t he mi dst of t he pr oceedi ng. The J udge has
aut hor i zed me t o cal l you as my f i r st wi t ness. Ar e you r eady
t o pr oceed?
THE WITNESS: Sur e. Can you hear me okay?
MR. OSTROWSKI: I can hear you f i ne. Ever ybody can
hear you f i ne, I bel i eve. Can you hear me okay?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
THE COURT: Dr . Schwar t z, t hi s i s Mat t hew Br ann. I ' m
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a f eder al j udge si t t i ng i n Wi l l i amspor t , Pennsyl vani a. And my
cour t r oom deput y, Kat hy McLaughl i n, i s goi ng t o swear you i n.
Ar e you r eady t o t ake an oat h?
THE WITNESS: Sur e.
THE COURT: Mr s. McLaughl i n, wi l l you admi ni st er t hat
oat h, pl ease?
THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Yes.
STEPHEN SCHWARTZ,
cal l ed as a wi t ness on behal f of t he Pl ai nt i f f , havi ng been
dul y swor n or af f i r med accor di ng t o l aw, t est i f i ed as f ol l ows.
THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Pl ease st at e your name f or t he
r ecor d.
THE WITNESS: Stephen Schwart z.
THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Thank you.
THE COURT: Al l r i ght , Mr . Ost r owski , you may pr oceed
t o exami ne t hi s wi t ness.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Thank you, J udge.
DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON
BY MR. OSTROWSKI
Q. Dr . Schwart z, coul d you j ust summari ze your
qual i f i cat i ons, l i censi ng, stat us, and cer t i f i cat i ons and
t hi ngs l i ke t hat ; educat i onal hi st or y br i ef l y, pl ease.
A. I ' m a medi cal doct or . Gr aduat ed f r om Thomas J ef f er son
Uni ver si t y i n 1980. I have had my own f ami l y pr act i ce f or t he
l ast 25 year s her e i n Lancast er wi t h my wi f e. I ' m boar d
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cer t i f i ed i n emer gency medi ci ne, pr act i ci ng t hat al so f or t he
l ast 25 year s, and cer t i f i ed i n medi cal acupunct ur e and
l i censed t hr ough t he St at e of Pennsyl vani a.
Q. Okay. And i s i t f ai r t o say t hat you have t he nat ur e of a
hol i st i c t ype of pr acti ce?
A. Yes. Our f ami l y pract i ce i s - - wel l , i t was a t r adi t i onal
f ami l y pr act i ce pr obabl y f or about t en year s, and t hen when we
i nt r oduced t r adi t i onal Chi nese medi ci ne, whi ch my wi f e and I
ar e bot h ext ensi vel y t r ai ned, t hen i t ki nd of shi f t ed. Now
i t ' s mor e of a hol i st i c pr acti ce. But we st i l l have t he
abi l i t y t o pr act i ce, you know, t r adi t i onal west er n medi ci ne, as
wel l . I t ' s a combi ned pr act i ce basi cal l y.
Q. Ri ght . And t her e ar e t i mes, i f appr opr i at e, you pr escr i be
medi cat i ons f or pat i ent s and t hi ngs of t hat nat ur e. Cor r ect ?
A. Sur e.
Q. Or or der addi t i onal t est i ng; X- r ays, MRI s, what ever i t
t akes. Cor r ect ?
A. What ever i s appr opr i at e.
Q. Okay. And now Doctor, I asked you t o have i n f r ont of you
t he May 3r d, 2013 cor r espondence that you pr epared, ' To Whomi t
May Concer n' r egardi ng me. Do you have t hat bef ore you?
A. Yes.
Q. And j ust f or t he recor d I have t hat mar ked her e, and I
bel i eve t he J udge has a copy, wi t h Pl ai nt i f f ' s Exhi bi t 1 on i t .
And coul d you i dent i f y what t hat i s?
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A. I t ' s basi cal l y j ust a pr ogr ess l et t er t hat I wr ot e f or you
or on your behal f at t hat t i me, whi ch was appr oxi mat el y I woul d
say si x i s weeks af t er you st ar t ed comi ng her e as a pat i ent .
Q. Okay. And I had di scussed wi t h you my l i censi ng st atus
and a l ot of my hi st or y dur i ng our vi si t s up t o t hat t i me. I s
that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. And I ' m j ust goi ng t o - - j ust so we' r e al l
oper at i ng on t he same page, and i f t he Cour t i ndul ges me, i t ' s
a pr et t y shor t l et t er , I ' m goi ng t o r ead t hat i nt o t he r ecor d.
MR. OSTROWSKI: May I , Your Honor?
THE COURT: You may. But t he l et t er speaks f or
i t sel f . The Cour t can r ead t he l et t er . Mr . Gi l r oy, I assume
you have a copy of t hi s?
MR. GILROY: Yes, J udge.
MR. OSTROWSKI: That ' s f i ne. I don' t thi nk i t ' s
necessary ei t her .
BY MR. OSTROWSKI
Q. Now, I ' m goi ng t o ask you some quest i ons about t hat . Now,
have you r evi ewed any of my pr i or r ecords?
A. Yes.
Q. And what pr i or r ecor ds of mi ne have you r evi ewed?
A. Wel l , you suppl i ed me wi t h r ecor ds basi cal l y f r om t he
f or mer Sai nt J oe' s Hospi t al i n Lancast er r el at i ng t o your bur n
i nj ur y and car e when you wer e ei ght year s ol d. So I ' ve got
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t hat . And t her e wer e basi cal l y t wo set s of r ecor ds associ at ed
wi t h t hat because I guess you had a hospi t al i zat i on, and t hen
you came back f or a second pr ocedur e. So basi cal l y t hose are
t he r ecor ds t hat I have got .
Q. Okay. Because i n t hi s Exhi bi t 1, your May 3r d, 2013
l et t er , you sai d we ar e sti l l wai t i ng f or ol d - - addi t i onal ol d
r ecor ds. Woul d t hose be among t he r ecords you were wai t i ng
for?
A. Yes.
Q. And have you r ecei ved any ot her r ecor ds f r omme?
A. No, not speci f i cal l y.
Q. Okay. And I - - I t al ked t o you about a Dr . St ef an
Kr uszewski and my t r eat ment wi t h hi m. Corr ect?
A. Cor r ect .
Q. And we wer en' t abl e t o get any - - I haven' t suppl i ed you
wi t h any r ecor ds f r om hi m. I s t hat al so cor r ect ?
A. Cor r ect .
Q. Okay. I n your st at ement - - t he f i r st sent ence, does t hat
cont ai n what your di agnosi s i s of me i s?
A. Yeah. I mean, I woul d say - - you know, what pat i ent s t el l
me basi cal l y t hat ' s - - you know, t hat ' s l ar gel y t he basi s f or
what t hei r di agnosi s can be cal l ed. And you know, t hat was t he
di agnosi s essent i al l y t hat you gave me when you came. And I
saw no r eason t o - - I agr ee wi t h t hat . I t sounds appr opr i at e.
Q. Okay. But you - - so t hat di agnosi s t hat you agr ee t o i s
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post t r aumat i c st r ess di sor der . Cor r ect ?
A. Yes. I mean, t hat ' s l argel y t he r eason t hat you came t o
see me f or t r eat ment , I bel i eve. And i n my not es, i n my of f i ce
notes basi cal l y t hat ' s the second word, PTSD. You know, when
peopl e come i n I ask what t hey' r e her e f or , and t hat ' s what you
t ol d me and t hat ' s how I wr ote i t down.
Q. Okay. But you concur i n t hat and t hat i s your operat i ng
di agnosi s of me. Cor r ect ?
A. Yes. I t seems t o be consi st ent wi t h what ' s goi ng on and
appr opr i at e.
Q. Yes. And t hen I j ust want t o ask you, i n t he second
sent ence you say, " I t seems f ai r l y obvi ous t hat he has car r i ed
t hi s t r auma wi t h hi m f or t he past 40 year s. " Can you el abor at e
upon what you meant by i t i s f ai r l y obvi ous?
A. Wel l , agai n, when pat i ent s come to see me, you know, I
base a good part of my underst andi ng of t hemon what t hey tel l
me. And so al so a l ot of what I do i s I f eed back t o t he
pat i ent s what I t hi nk can hel p t hem. And agai n, t hat ' s l ar gel y
based on what t hey t el l me. So a l ot of t hi s rel at es t o t he
hi st or y t hat I obt ai ned f r om you. And so you know, t hat woul d
be - - t hat woul d be par t of under st andi ng of your pr obl em. And
you know, t hat woul d basi cal l y be a r easonabl e way t o phr ase
i t . So I see no r eason t o r eal l y el abor at e on i t . I t ki nd of
speaks f or i t sel f . You know, t hat ' s why I guess I sai d i t was
f ai r l y obvi ous.
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Q. Okay. So t hat i ncl udes then t he hi st or y t hat I - - t he
or al hi st or y t hat I pr esent ed t o you and t hi ngs t hat I
pr esent ed t o you i n wr i t i ng about what my personal exper i ences
wi t h my pr i or medi cal hi st or y have been. I s that - - i s that a
f ai r way t o say t hat ?
A. Sur e. Sur e. And you know, I ' ve seen enough post t r aumat i c
st r ess scenar i os t o be abl e t o see whet her i t ' s appr opr i at e or
not i n t er ms of a descr i pt i on of - - you know, or at l east t he
way that you descr i be i t , I saw no r eason t o quest i on t hat .
I t ' s not a r ed f l ag. I t seems appr opr i at e.
Q. And you do go on and you t al k about my pr i or 40 year s
sayi ng t hat you' r e awar e t hat I had seen mul t i pl e physi ci ans
and speci al i st s, t hat I had been hospi t al i zed and t hi ngs of
t hat nat ur e. I di scussed al l t hat wi t h you. Cor r ect ?
A. Cor r ect .
Q. I di scussed t hi ngs l i ke, you know, anxi et y and sl eep
pr obl ems and even subst ance abuse i ssues and al l of t hose, you
know, di f f i cul t i es and copi ng mechani sms. Cor r ect ?
A. Cor r ect . I n my of f i ce not es on t he f i r st vi si t , t he f i r st
word i s anxi ety. Second word i s PTSD.
Q. Now, can you j ust general l y di scuss, how many t i mes have I
vi si t ed wi t h you ei t her t el ephoni cal l y or of f i ce appoi nt ment s
over t he past , I guess i t ' s gone on about si x mont hs now?
A. The f i r st vi si t was March 22nd, and t her e' s been ei ght
vi si t s .
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Q. Okay. And can you j ust descr i be f or t he Cour t what t hose
ei ght vi si t s ent ai l ed?
A. Wel l , t he f i r st vi si t ' s ext ensi ve and i nvol ves hi st or y, of
cour se. And hi st or y consi st s of bot h west er n di agnosi s, i f
i t ' s okay t o descr i be i t t hat way, because I ' m an emer gency
r oom physi ci an and a f ami l y pr act i t i oner , and t hen al so a
Chi nese di agnosi s, because l argel y what we have f ound i s most
ef f ect i ve f or t hi s i s medi cal acupunct ur e or a combi nat i on of
t hat and Chi nese her bs or what ver . That ' s an east er n
di agnosi s.
The hi st ory t akes usual l y at l east an hour. I n your case
i t was much l onger because I spent a l ong t i me speaki ng wi t h
you about - - your hi st or y was extensi ve. I t cover s 40 year s.
I t t ook a l onger t i me t han usual . Basi cal l y t hat ' s a l ar ge
par t of t he f i r st t r eat ment .
And t hen medi cal acupunct ur e i s pr et t y st r ai ght f or war d.
I t ' s a t r eat ment t hat i nvol ves needl es. And we di d t hat
basi cal l y f r om t he f i r st t i me you st ar t ed comi ng, we gave you
t hat exper i ence and t r eat ment . And you know, t hat ' s - - i t ' s
been f ol l ow- up vi si t s af t er t hat i n t er ms of not i ng your
pr ogr ess.
I don' t bel i eve t he f i r st vi si t we di d an acupunct ur e
t r eat ment , but we have done one on each of t he subsequent
vi si t s. So i t l ooks l i ke you' ve had seven acupunct ur e
t r eat ment s.
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Q. As f ar as you know i n t erms of my report s t o you over t he
t i me, have I f ol l owed al l r ecommendat i ons and t r i ed t o
i ncor por at e t he t hi ngs you' ve sai d i nt o my l i f est yl e?
A. Yeah. I mean, we' ve seen good progr ess. Li ke I sai d, t he
l et t er i s j ust shor t and conci se. But basi cal l y what ever
det ai l you woul d l i ke me t o go i n t o, I coul d. So f ar t her e' s
been a good r esponse, and agai n, i t ' s consi st ent wi t h t he
di agnosi s and consi st ent wi t h t he r esponses we t ypi cal l y see.
There i s not hi ng i n your case t hat i s t hat unusual f r om t he
st andpoi nt i n t er ms of ot her pat i ent s we have seen i n t erms of
bur n i nj ur i es or wor kman' s comp i nj ur i es or acci dent s even.
We' r e of t en t i mes the doct or of l ast r esort . Somet i mes
peopl e have seen 10 or 15 speci al i st s bef or e t hey see us. So
you know, t hi s was - - t hi s wasn' t an except i onal case, you
know, ot her t han t he f act t hat you' r e a pr of essi onal and some
of t he other t hi ngs t hat you have gone t hr ough i n t erms of your
pr of essi onal l i f e, t hat makes i t mor e uni que. But ot her wi se,
i t ' s consi st ent wi t h what we see and your r esponse i s
consi st ent wi t h what we see al so.
Q. Okay. And t here are - - you don' t have me pr escr i bed any
medi cat i ons or anythi ng l i ke t hat . Cor r ect ?
A. Cor r ect .
Q. And have I , you know, kept you post ed out si de of , you
know, what t hi ngs I ' m doi ng f or mysel f , you know, out si de of my
appoi nt ment s wi t h you?
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A. I t ' s al l been ver y posi t i ve. Ther e i s not hi ng t o r epor t
t hat ' s a r ed f l ag of any ki nd t o me. And agai n, you know, I ' m
pl eased wi t h your pr ogr ess and I t hi nk you ar e, t oo. And
agai n, you know, we' r e used t o seei ng t hi s. Ever ybody i s
di f f er ent . Ever y case i s di f f er ent . But you f i t r i ght i n t o
t he pat t er n of t hi ngs t hat we have seen al ong t hese l i nes.
You' ve had a very posi t i ve r esponse. That al ways t hr i l l s us.
Ever y t i me i t happens, even t hough we' r e used t o i t , because
i t ' s j ust very grat i f yi ng. So. . .
Q. And al l of your t r eat ment s and subsequent f ol l ow- ups wi t h
me have been cent ered on t r eat i ng t hi s anxi et y or post t r aumat i c
str ess di sor der . I s t hat f ai r t o say?
A. Wel l , I mean, we t r y not t o get t oo hung up on di agnoses.
Fr omt he very begi nni ng obvi ousl y we need to get some
backgr ound and we need t o have the di agnosi s f or var i ous
r easons. I t gi ves us a st ar t i ng poi nt . But t he whol e poi nt of
t he t r eat ment i s a combi nat i on of bal anci ng, you know.
And t hat ' s a combi nat i on of , you know, our exper i ence wi t h
west ern medi ci ne and Chi nese medi ci ne and the f act t hat west ern
medi ci ne i n cer t ai n ar eas of chr oni c i l l ness, emot i onal l y or
st r ess- r el at ed t hi ngs, somet i mes we f i nd t hat t he acupunct ur e
wor ks bet t er t han t he west er n medi ci ne. I t doesn' t have any
si de ef f ect s. The r esul t s ar e mor e pr of ound and posi t i ve i n a
l ot of cases. I t ' s one of t he r easons why we do t hi s; when we
i nt r oduced i t i nt o our pr act i ce, we j ust saw some t er r i f i c
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r esul t s. I t j ust ki nd of gr ew and t hen we got mor e and mor e
t r ai ni ng. And so - -
Q. Wel l , maybe i t wasn' t pr oper f or me to use t hose words of
di agnosi s i n t her e. But f or exampl e, when you' r e doi ng
acupunct ur e, you don' t use t he same pat t ern wi t h ever y one of
your pat i ent s. Cor r ect ?
A. Ever y pat i ent i s di f f er ent .
Q. Okay. And you use your acupunct ure wi t h me, f or exampl e,
t he pat t er n t hat you set up and use of t he needl es i s accor di ng
t o your assessment of my, you know, physi cal / spi r i t ual / ment al
condi t i on and, you know, your pr of essi onal j udgment as t o how
i t shoul d be t r eat ed. Cor r ect ?
A. Cor r ect . And t her e ar e cer t ai n i mbal ances. We al l have
t hem. I t ' s a f l ui d t hi ng. I t ' s not set i n st one. I t changes
f r omday t o day. But we assess each t i me you come your bal ance
accor di ng t o cer t ai n t heor i es, and one of t he t heor i es i n
Chi nese medi ci ne has t o do wi t h your di f f er ent or gans. So we
t r y t o bal ance t hose organs. And you know, of cour se we can
have t he over al l concept of PTSD or depr essi on or anxi et y or
what ever i t may happen t o be.
But basi cal l y each t i me you come i n we' r e j ust t r yi ng t o
hel p you achi eve bal ance so that your body recogni zes i t and
can mai nt ai n t hat bal ance. I t coul d r eset i t sel f when i t goes
of f . I t can be consci ous enough or aware enough of what your
bal ance shoul d be when you' r e pl aced back i nt o bal ance so t hat
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i f you t end t o go of f bal ance, you can cor r ect i t your sel f .
And t he dr ugs t hat are used of t en t i mes, you know, i n our
west er n pr act i ce somet i mes i nt er f er e wi t h t hat . So i t ' s
actual l y bet t er i f you' r e not on t he dr ugs, i f you can do i t .
I n your case we haven' t deal t wi t h dr ugs at al l t he whol e t i me.
You haven' t needed t hem and we haven' t used t hem.
Q. Okay. So i s i t f ai r t o say t hen t hat you' r e t r eat i ng - -
t hat I ' m get t i ng back i nt o t hi s bal ance t hat you ar e t r yi ng t o
achi eve? I ' m on t hat pat h of pr ogr ess?
A. Yeah. I mean, I ' m happy f or you. I t hi nk you are
showi ng - - I t hi nk you ar e showi ng your sel f t o be goi ng i n a
heal t hy di r ect i on basi cal l y i n al l aspects of what I can t el l .
So t hat ' s ki nd of what we' r e al l about . And I ' m happy t o
r epor t t hat t hat ' s what ' s goi ng on wi t h you. I ' m happy t o
hel p. I f t hi s hel ps you, hopef ul l y - - I mean, agai n, I ' m happy
t o hel p you however I can. That ' s how we ar e wi t h al l of our
pat i ent s. But i t ' s ver y gr at i f yi ng, par t i cul ar l y when someone
has been goi ng t hr ough somethi ng f or 40 years and we st ar t t o
see i t - - you know, st ar t t o see i t t ur ni ng ar ound.
Q. Woul d you agree that communi cat i ng t he di agnosi s and
t r eat ment i nf or mat i on wi t h t he pat i ent i s an i mpor t ant par t of
t he t r eat ment ?
A. I t ' s an i mpor t ant par t of our t r eat ment .
Q. Okay. And i f you had met me t en years ago, woul d you have
expect ed anythi ng di f f er ent i n t er ms of di agnosi s, t r eat ment ,
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t hi ngs of t hat nat ur e?
A. Obvi ousl y agai n si nce i t ' s a f l ui d si t uat i on, i t ' s har d
t o - - i t ' s har d t o say. You know, t hi ngs happen i n cont ext and
t hat ' s taki ng i t pr et t y f ar out of cont ext . But we woul dn' t
have done anythi ng di f f erent i f you pr esent ed t he same way.
You know, I mean i f you had di f f erent l i f e ci r cumst ances or
di f f er ent t hi ngs. You know, agai n, your i mbal ances now ver sus
t en year s ago or your bal ances, f or t hat mat t er , i t ' s not al l
negat i ve, woul d maybe have been di f f er ent and we may have had a
di f f er ent appr oach or a di f f er ent assessment or a di f f er ent
t r eat ment .
Al l I can r eal l y speak f or i s t oday or , you know, t hi s
cur r ent cour se. But I can say t hat , you know, i f you woul d
have seen us t en year s ago, I don' t t hi nk we woul d necessar i l y
have done anythi ng di f f erent based on t he f act t hat , you know,
a l ot of your t hi ngs have been goi ng on f or 40 year s, I don' t
know t hat t en year s ago i t woul d have been t hat di f f er ent .
Q. And woul d you - - wi t h ever yt hi ng t hat you know about me,
woul d you have expect ed my adj ust ment and pr ogr ess t o have been
t he same?
A. I woul d hope so. Agai n, you know, every case i s
di f f er ent . Thi ngs change i n and out of cont ext . But sure, you
know, we' r e used t o good r esul t s wi t h peopl e. And so I don' t
know why you woul dn' t have responded t en year s t o t he same ki nd
of t r eat ment i f you came i n wi t h t he same ki nd of i ssues.
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MR. OSTROWSKI: Okay. Thank you, Dr . Schwar t z.
That ' s al l I have at t hi s poi nt .
THE COURT: Mr . Gi l r oy, woul d you car e to cr oss
exami ne?
MR. GILROY: Yes.
CROSS EXAMI NATI ON
BY MR. GILROY
Q. Dr . Schwar t z, t hi s i s Huber t Gi l r oy. I ' m goi ng t o be
aski ng you a f ew quest i ons.
A. Sur e.
Q. Doct or , ot her t han t he st andar d t r ai ni ng ever y medi cal
st udent r ecei ves i n medi cal school wi t h r espect t o
psychot herapy and psychol ogy, have you had any speci al i zed
t r ai ni ng i n t hose f i el ds?
A. Speci al i zed t r ai ni ng? No. I can t el l you t hi s. I mean,
i t j ust pl ays i nt o my exper i ence. I t wasn' t speci al i zed
t r ai ni ng but . . .
Q. Ot her t han your l i f e exper i ences, have you had any
speci al i zed t r ai ni ng i n t hose year s?
A. Wel l , j ust l et me say basi cal l y I was t he di r ector of a
subst ance abuse pr ogr am f or a year i n an i npat i ent f aci l i t y.
That happened by def aul t . I was cover i ng f or a guy who was t he
di r ect or who worked f or me i n t he emergency room at t he t i me.
Thi s was about maybe 15 or 20 year s ago. He l ef t . So t hey
asked me i f I woul d f i l l i n, and I ended up doi ng t hat f or a
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year . So I had t o st udy on my own, but I di dn' t have speci al
t r ai ni ng. But I had speci al exper i ence t hr ough t hat year .
Q. Doct or , have you ever i n t he past been qual i f i ed as an
exper t wi t ness i n any cour t of l aw wi t h r espect t o gi vi ng an
opi ni on on someone' s ment al heal t h?
A. No.
Q. Am I cor r ect t hat you sai d t hat t he f i r st t wo t hi ngs you
wr ote down i n your not es when you met wi t h Mr . Ost r owski was
anxi et y and post t r aumat i c st r ess di sor der ?
A. Yes. Yes. I don' t know i f you heard me or not .
Q. I di d not hear you. Thank you. So i n f act , Mr . Ost r owski
showed up at your of f i ce and he suggest ed t o you t hat he
suf f er ed f r om anxi et y and post t r aumat i c st r ess di sor der ?
A. Yes.
Q. And your t r eat ment af t er t hat f i r st vi si t , you' ve had si x
or seven ot her vi si t s, has been t o t r eat Mr . Ost r owski wi t h
acupunct ur e?
A. Yeah, basi cal l y t hat ' s been t he t r eat ment .
Q. Okay. And any other t r eat ment ?
A. Wel l , we' ve had a l ot of di scussi ons - - you know, t hi s i s
j ust sor t of somet hi ng per sonal i n our l i f e. But t he basi s of
our pr act i ce her e i s spi r i t ual . So we have had a l ot of
spi r i t ual di scussi ons. That may or may not have a - - I don' t
know how t hat t r ansl ates i nt o what you are aski ng me.
But t o me, i n my experi ence, and you know, l i ke what I saw
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when I was r unni ng t he subst ance abuse uni t , you know, some
years ago i s when peopl e i mpr ove i n t erms of any subst ance
abuse i ssues whi ch, you know, came up i n t he cour se of our
di scussi ons t oo, gener al l y what cr eat ed per manent cur es had t o
do wi t h spi r i t ual conver si ons. I spoke wi t h t hat because
t hat ' s based on my experi ence. I spoke wi t h Andy.
He act ual l y came i n t he f i r st t i me to screen me, t o ask me
quest i ons t o see i f he f el t i t was appr opr i at e f or hi m t o come
see me and i f I woul d be somebody who coul d hel p hi m. That was
somet hi ng we got i nt o, because that ' s sor t of t he basi s of my
t r eat ment . You know, he was ver y open t o t hat . I n f act , he - -
t hat was - - he was comf or t abl e wi t h t hat .
So I woul d say t hat t hat ' s anot her par t of t he t r eat ment .
We have had spi r i t ual di scussi ons, because t o me that ' s what
makes a per manent di f f er ence i n your l i f e. I t ' s not j ust
subst i t ut i ng one pr obl em f or anot her or one addi ct i on f or
anot her , i f you want t o use t hat wor d or what ever . I t ' s havi ng
a t r ue change i n your l i f e. And t o me t hat ' s a spi r i t ual
t hi ng. That ' s not somet hi ng t hat a doct or or a t echni ci an can
necessar i l y say t hey wer e t he causes of i t . You know, i f Andy
get s cur ed, i t ' s not f r om me. I ' m mer el y an i nst r ument .
So I want ed i t t o be under st ood f r om t he begi nni ng. We' r e
t al ki ng about spi r i t ual mat t er s, bal ance i n hi s l i f e and
somet hi ng t hat ' s beyond t echnol ogy. So t he t echnol ogy I used
i n t erms of acupunct ur e or whatever modal i t y or any dr ug, even
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i f I wer e t o use t hat , t hat woul dn' t be what cur es hi m. What
cur es hi m i s f r om a hi gher sour ce. You know, he was
quest i oni ng me how I operate. I expl ai ned t hat t o hi m. He was
f i ne wi t h i t . Acupunct ur e i s si mpl y one of t he modal i t i es we
used. He may get more out of somethi ng el se t hat we t al k
about , so I don' t want t o negl ect t o ment i on t hat .
Q. Doct or , you i ndi cat ed you have had a posi t i ve r esponse i n
t r eat i ng Mr . Ost r owski . So si nce Mar ch 21, how i s
Mr . Ost r owski di f f erent t oday t han he was l ast March when he
met wi t h you?
A. Wel l , when he f i r st came i n he was di st r essed. He was
anxi ous. That was t he f i r st t hi ng he sai d. You know, he was
goi ng t hr ough a l ot of emot i onal t hi ngs, i f not hi ng el se, and I
guess prof essi onal t hi ngs. And you know, one of t he r easons he
came i n was because he had had a di sor der t hat had been
bot her i ng hi m f or a l ong number of year s.
I woul d say t hat he' s much more at peace wi t h hi msel f . He
seems much more cent ered and more happy. You know, I t hi nk
he' s bet t er adj ust ed. You know, i n t er ms of my di agnosi s t hat
I do when I see hi m each t i me, he seems t o be - - he seems t o be
much mor e even.
MR. GILROY: I have no f ur t her quest i ons.
MR. OSTROWSKI: J ust a f ew br i ef .
THE COURT: Any redi r ect exami nat i on, Mr . Ost r owski ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: J ust a coupl e doct or .
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REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. OSTROWSKI
Q. Fi r st of al l , wi t h r espect t o your i npat i ent subst ance
abuse t r eat ment , I t hi nk you sai d you di d t hat f or a year . I s
that correct?
A. I f i l l ed i n f or t he di r ect or who l ef t unt i l t hey coul d
f i nd a new di r ect or but yeah, basi cal l y.
Q. So you wer e essent i al l y a di r ect or of a subst ance abuse
t r eat ment cent er f or a year . Was t hat t he posi t i on t hat you
ser ved?
A. Yes.
Q. And i n doi ng t hat wor k, you had - - was i t a 12 st ep t ype
of f aci l i t y?
A. I t was a 28 bed i npat i ent uni t i n a hospi t al . And dur i ng
t he t i me t hat I was t her e t he cr i t er i a changed i n t er ms of
i nsur ances and what t hey woul d cover . So i t ' s j ust an
i nt er est i ng t i me i n hi st or y.
But when I f i r st st ar t ed out and f or about t he f i r st si x
mont hs, peopl e coul d come i n si mpl y because they had an
addi ct i on. A l ot of t i mes t hey came i n si mpl y because t hey
pr ef er r ed goi ng t o a pr ogr am r at her t han goi ng t o j ai l . So t he
i ncent i ve of t he peopl e who wer e i n t her e f or t he f i r st si x
mont hs was not ver y st r ong t o qui t usi ng t hei r subst ance. I t
was j ust basi cal l y to t ake a br eak or t o get of f t he st r eet or
have thr ee meal s a day, have a bed, you know, somethi ng l i ke
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that.
Then i t changed, t he cr i t er i a, and t her e was somet hi ng
t hat was cal l ed dual di agnosi s. And f or t he l ast si x mont hs,
and I j ust happened t o be ther e dur i ng t hat year , you had t o
have a medi cal necessi t y t hat pr ompt ed your admi ssi on and t hen
i f you had an addi ct i on as wel l , you coul d al so be admi t t ed f or
t hat . You coul dn' t si mpl y be admi t t ed because you had an
addi ct i on. So t he f ocus of t he pat i ent s and t hei r mot i vat i on
dr ast i cal l y changed. I j ust wi t nessed t hat by bei ng t her e. So
t he peopl e who were real l y si ck had a much st r onger mot i vat i on
t o get of f of t he dr ugs or t he al cohol t han t he peopl e who j ust
came i n basi cal l y t o avoi d goi ng t o j ai l .
So i t was - - you know, agai n, I l ear ned a l ot t hr ough t he
exper i ence. But you know, I al so l ear ned a l ot about pat i ent s,
t hei r behavi or s, t hei r mot i vat i ons. I can' t r emember what your
quest i on was anymore. Sor r y but . . .
Q. I t was mor e or l ess a f oundat i on quest i on, and I ' l l j ust
ask you di r ect l y. Ar e you f ami l i ar t hr ough t hat exper i ence
wi t h t he 12 st ep t r eat ment ?
A. Yes.
Q. And t hat i s essent i al l y a spi r i t ual r ecover y pr ogr am.
Cor r ect ?
A. Wel l , i t act ual l y - - yeah, i t ' s got sever al f acet s to i t .
One f acet i s def i ni t el y spi r i t ual , and anot her f acet t o some
degr ee i s subst i t ut i on, you know, a ki nd of st eppi ng down.
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Li ke i t ' s not actual l y bui l t i nt o t he pr ogr am, but i t ' s sor t of
one of t he pr act i cal aspect s or at l east one of t he ways i t ' s
i mpl ement ed as, you know, you t r y to get peopl e i f t hey are
addi ct ed t o somet hi ng t hat ' s r eal l y st r ong or bad f or t hem, you
t r y t o st ep t hem down and subst i t ut e a l esser addi ct i on and t he
l esser addi ct i on wi l l ki nd of wean t hem of f . Ther e i s some
val ue i n t hat . That ' s ki nd of a west er n medi ci ne concept . But
t o me what makes t he l argest di f f erence and what r eal l y changes
peopl e i s t he spi r i t ual agai n, l i ke I sai d bef or e.
Q. Okay. And you have - - you have suggest ed r eadi ngs t o me
and t hi ngs of t hat nat ur e. I s t hat cor r ect ?
A. Yes, di f f erent books.
Q. Okay. And one l ast quest i on. Wel l al so, we have t al ked
about pr ayer and medi t at i on and al l of t hose t ypes of spi r i t ual
f ai t h- based pr act i ces. Cor r ect?
A. Cor r ect .
Q. And you' r e awar e t hat I ' m a l i f el ong Roman Cat hol i c. I s
that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Di d you answer?
A. Yes. Sor r y.
Q. Sor r y. One l ast quest i on. Ever y doct or i nt er vi ews
pat i ent s and asks t hemwhat t hei r sympt oms and compl ai nt s ar e
when you f i r st meet someone. I s t hat cor r ect ?
A. Cor r ect . Wel l , I don' t know what ever y doct or does. But
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of your counsel i ng wi t h Mr . Ost r owski , woul d you counsel hi m t o
copy t he Vat i can wi t h communi cat i ons he woul d have wi t h the
Pennsyl vani a Supreme Cour t ?
A. Woul d I counsel hi m?
Q. Yes.
A. No. We - - when I speak wi t h - - when I ment i on spi r i t ual ,
i t has t o do wi t h one' s spi r i t ual bel i ef s and how t hat af f ect s
t hei r heal t h. I t has not hi ng t o do wi t h anyt hi ng pol i t i cal or
l egal or even r epr esent i ng any par t i cul ar r el i gi on.
MR. GILROY: Thank you. Not hi ng f ur t her .
THE COURT: Al l r i ght . Dr . Schwar t z, t hi s i s t he
Cour t . Thank you ver y much f or your t est i mony t hi s morni ng.
I t ' s appr eci at ed. And we' l l r i ng of f .
THE WITNESS: Okay. Thank you.
THE COURT: You' r e qui t e wel come. Goodbye.
( Wi t ness excused, phone cal l t er mi nat ed. )
THE COURT: Mr . Ost r owski , do you want t o pr oceed wi t h
your next wi t ness?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Yes. My next wi t ness wi l l be Gar en
Meguer i an.
MR. MEGUERIAN: Your Honor , he i nt ends t o cal l Dr .
Kr uszewski ' s counsel as a wi t ness. I have not been subpoenaed.
MR. GILROY: We woul d ask f or an of f er of pr oof ,
J udge.
THE COURT: What i s t he of f er of pr oof ? You ar e Mr .
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Meguer i an?
MR. MEGUERIAN: Yes.
THE COURT: What woul d be t he pur pose of cal l i ng Mr .
Meguer i an, who i s counsel f or Dr . Kr uszewski , Mr . Ost r owski ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: My of f er of pr oof r el at es t o a
Mar ch 22nd, 2013 l et t er t hat Mr . Meguer i an sent me. I f he
woul d st i pul at e t hat i s hi s l et t er and he sent i t t o me, I
woul d be happy to show i t t o hi m, t hat woul dn' t be a pr obl em.
I i nt end t o cal l Dr . Kr uszewski as an adver se wi t ness under
Feder al Rul e of Evi dence, I bel i eve i t ' s 611( c) , and t o use
cross- exami nat i on wi t h hi m. Thi s i s a f oundat i onal pi ece of
evi dence t o est abl i sh t hat t her e i s i ndeed a basi s t o use - - t o
cal l - - t o use l eadi ng quest i ons wi t h r espect t o Dr .
Kr uszewski .
I f Mr . Meguer i an woul d l i ke t o admi t t hat he sent me
t hi s l et t er and t hat I sent a r esponse t o hi m, I t hi nk we coul d
obvi at e t he need f or any t est i mony. He' s i n t he cour t r oom, hi m
not bei ng subpoenaed and i s not a mater i al i ssue. He sent me a
t ot al l y i nappr opr i at e and pr of essi onal l y t hr eat eni ng l et t er .
And he' s t he agent of Dr . Kr uszewski .
THE COURT: Mr . Gi l r oy, woul d you car e t o speak t o
t hi s i ssue?
MR. GILROY: Sur e. We don' t need t he at t orney t o
t est i f y. I have no obj ect i on i f Mr . Ost r owski suggest s t he
doctor i s an adver se wi t ness and want s t o pr oceed as of on
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cross- exami nat i on. I wi l l r eser ve t he obj ect i on as t o whet her
any of hi s t est i mony i s r el evant , t hough. I don' t t hi nk we
need to put t he l awyer on t he st and.
THE COURT: Wel l - -
MR. GILROY: From ever yt hi ng I have l ooked at , I know
t hey are adver se. So we can agr ee wi t h t hat .
MR. OSTROWSKI: Can we get - - t o t he extent t hi s get s
i nt o evi dence - -
THE COURT: Why i s t hi s l et t er hel pf ul or unhel pf ul t o
persuade t he Court ? Remember what you ar e here t o do. What
ar e you her e to do t oday, Mr . Ost r owski ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: I ' m her e t o do what I - -
THE COURT: Br oadl y, what are you here to do?
MR. OSTROWSKI: I ' m her e t o get r eadmi t t ed.
THE COURT: You ar e here t o persuade t he Cour t .
Ri ght ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Ri ght .
THE COURT: Ri ght . How i s t hi s hel pf ul i n per suadi ng
t he Cour t ? You have Dr . Kr uszewski . He' s subpoenaed. Cal l
hi m as your wi t ness and pr oceed.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Okay.
THE COURT: How does Mr . Megueri an' s l et t er, whether
i t ' s an of f ensi ve l et t er or i t ' s not , hel pf ul t o per suadi ng
t hi s Cour t ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: The l evel of ani mosi t y and host i l i t y
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t est i f i ed ext ensi vel y wi t hout one si ngl e obj ect i on t o my
medi cal hi st or y, and even a quest i on as t o what i f he had
t r eat ed me t en years ago. The r el evant conduct under t he
st andard under Rul e 86 - - 83. 26. 3 i s t o determi ne my moral
qual i f i cat i ons, compet ency and l ear ni ng i n l aw. I have t o
demonst r ate t hat by cl ear and convi nci ng evi dence.
Thi s gent l eman, Dr . Kr uszewski ' s, mi st r eat ment of me
under t he gui se of so- cal l ed t r eat ment of me was a huge, huge
f actor t hat af f ected my l i f e. I t af f ected my l i censi ng st at us.
I t i s di r ect l y r el evant t o t hese pr oceedi ngs, and I wi l l be
compl et el y compr omi sed i f I am not abl e t o cal l hi m.
I bel i eve t he obj ect i on i s wai ved by al l owi ng t hi s Dr .
Schwar t z. You gr ant ed t he oppor t uni t y wi t hout obj ect i on f or
Dr . Schwar t z t o t est i f y. Nobody f i l ed a mot i on or anyt hi ng.
THE COURT: Thank you. The obj ect i on i s over r ul ed. I
t hi nk Dr . Kr uszewski ' s t est i mony i s r el evant f or a l i mi t ed
pur pose. However , t he Cour t i s not par t i cul ar l y i nt er est ed i n
pr i or medi cal t r eatment . So you ar e al l owed t o exami ne t hi s
wi t ness. Mr . Gi l r oy can cross exami ne, or essent i al l y i t woul d
be a di r ect exami nat i on, I guess, i f you ar e goi ng t o t ake t hi s
wi t ness under Rul e 611. But i t ' s f or a l i mi t ed pur pose,
Mr . Ost r owski .
MR. OSTROWSKI: Okay.
THE COURT: The obj ect i on i s over r ul ed. You cal l ed
t he wi t ness. Dr . Kr uszewski , i f you woul d come f or war d.
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Mr s. McLaughl i n wi l l swear you i n. Mr s. McLaughl i n.
STEFAN PHI LI P KRUZEWSKI ,
cal l ed as a wi t ness on behal f of t he Pl ai nt i f f , havi ng been
dul y swor n or af f i r med accor di ng t o l aw, t est i f i ed as f ol l ows:
THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Pl ease be seat ed.
THE COURT: And Gent l emen, excuse me j ust a moment .
The Cour t woul d pref er , i f t her e are goi ng t o be exhi bi t s
admi t t ed, of f er ed i n I t hi nk at t he concl usi on of each
wi t ness' s t est i mony. So Mr . Ost r owski , you of f er ed i n
Pl ai nt i f f ' s Exhi bi t 1, whi ch i s t he cor r espondence, ' To Whom i t
May Concern' l et t er dated May 3r d, 2013 si gned by - - I assume
si gned by Dr . Schwart z. Do you move t he admi ssi on of t hi s
exhi bi t ?
MR. OSTROWSKI: I f or mal l y move t hat i nt o evi dence.
THE COURT: Any obj ect i on t o t hi s, Mr . Gi l r oy?
MR. GILROY: No obj ect i on.
THE COURT: Then t hi s exhi bi t i s dul y admi t t ed. Thank
you.
MR. GILROY: Your Honor, i f I may have an
under st andi ng wi t h t he Cour t . J ust because I ' m not obj ect i ng,
I don' t want t o be her e al l day ar gui ng obj ect i ons. I suspect
t he Cour t i s of t he same mi nd. J ust because I ' m not obj ect i ng
t o some i nf or mat i on, t hat doesn' t suggest t hat i t ' s r el evant .
I ' ve al r eady put on t he r ecor d my posi t i on wi t h r espect t o t hi s
wi t ness' s t est i mony.
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KRUZEWSKI - DIRECT (as-on-cross)
and as I sai d, Pennsyl vani a. I ' m boar d cer t i f i ed by t he
Amer i can Boar d of Psychi at r y and Neur ol ogy and General
Psychi at r y. I was pr evi ousl y boar d cer t i f i ed i n addi ct i on
psychi at r y and ger i at r i c psychi at r y by t he same Boar d. I was
cer t i f i ed al so by the Amer i can Boar d of Adol escent Psychi at r y,
and I am cer t i f i ed f or t he l i f et i me by t he Amer i can Boar d of
Addi ct i on Medi ci ne.
I cur r ent l y am empl oyed f or t en year s wor ki ng f or
Gaudenzi a, I ncor por at ed i n Har r i sbur g and vi ci ni t y. I ' ve al so
been wor ki ng f or Mazzi t t i and Sul l i van f or 13 year s now. As
you know, I have a l ong hi st or y of bei ng a qui t am r el at or . I
have had t hr ee successf ul set t l ement s, one agai nst Pf i zer,
I ncorporated and one agai nst Ast r aZeneca, I ncorporated and one
agai nst Sout hwood Psychi at r i c Hospi t al i n Pi t t sbur gh,
Pennsyl vani a.
My cur r ent academi c appoi nt ment i s wi t h the J ohns Hopki ns
Uni ver si t y Medi cal School wi t h t he Bl oomber g School of Publ i c
Heal t h. I n t hat depar t ment I wor ked f or t he Cent er f or Dr ug
Saf et y and Ef f ect i veness i n t he depar t ment of ment al heal t h.
Q. And Doctor, as a conveni ence, I pl aced bef ore you an
exhi bi t mar ked as Pl ai nt i f f ' s Exhi bi t 2. Do you have t hat i n
f r ont of you? I t hi nk I have t hat - -
A. Yes, I do.
Q. I s t hat your CV? Look at t he st i cker s on t he bot t om. One
i s a t wo and one i s a t hr ee. Frankl y, I f or get what I put t he
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number s on. I t hought t wo was your cur r i cul um vi t ae.
A. I ' m sor r y. I ' m not hear i ng you.
Q. There' s a pi nk st i cker on t he bot t om r i ght - hand cor ner .
A. I t says number t wo.
Q. That ' s Exhi bi t 2. You have t hat - - i t says updat ed March,
2013. And t hat i s on your medi cal websi t e. I s t hat cor r ect ?
A. I t hi nk t hat ' s cor r ect . I br ought a mor e updat ed one
act ual l y and counsel has i t .
Q. I f he want s t o use i t , I won' t have an obj ect i on. But
t hi s i s f i ne f or my pur poses. Thi s i s pr epar ed by you and i s a
f ul l and accurate summary as of March of 2013 of your
backgr ound and qual i f i cat i ons. I s t hat cor r ect ?
A. That ' s cor r ect .
Q. Now, Doct or , coul d you br i ef l y descr i be what
neur opsychi at r y i s?
A. My speci al t y i s pr i mar i l y addi ct i on medi ci ne. My
secondar y speci al t y i s neur opsychi at r y. That ' s t he
neur ol ogi cal under pi nni ngs of psychi at r i c di sor der s.
Q. And woul d t hat i ncl ude t hi ngs l i ke st udyi ng anxi et y and
t r eat i ng anxi et y condi t i ons and t hi ngs of t hat nat ur e?
A. I f t her e ar e - - i f t her e' s an or gani c basi s f or anxi et y,
yes. But t he gener al st udy of anxi et y i s wi t hi n t he conf i nes
of gener al psychi at r y.
Q. Okay. I bel i eve you sai d you wer e f or mer l y cer t i f i ed i n
addi ct i on psychi at r y. Di d I hear t hat cor r ect l y?
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A. The r ecords at t hi s moment , a copy of t hem are wi t h
counsel .
Q. Okay. May I have a copy of my records?
A. No.
MR. OSTROWSKI: I don' t t hi nk t hat t hat i s r eal l y your
deci si on, Doct or . I subpoenaed t he r ecor ds. They haven t been
pr ovi ded t o me. I sent a medi cal r equest . I di d a f ol l ow- up
medi cal r equest and got a t hr eat eni ng l et t er f r om t hat l awyer
who now has my r ecords and thi s gent l eman won' t gi ve them t o
me?
MR. MEGUERIAN: Your Honor .
THE COURT: Mr . Meguer i an, do you want t o speak to
t hi s i ssue?
MR. MEGUERIAN: Yes. Your Honor , you speci f i cal l y
sai d t hi s was not goi ng t o be di scover y oppor t uni t y f or
Mr . Ost r owski . Unl ess he can expl ai n why hi s r ecor ds ar e
r el evant f r om ei ght year s ago f or hi s f i t ness t o r et ur n t o t he
pr act i ce of l aw bef or e t hi s Cour t , I see no basi s f or hi m t o
obt ai n t hose recor ds.
MR. OSTROWSKI: How about - -
THE COURT: Mr . Ost r owski , why ar e t hey rel evant t o
t oday' s pr oceedi ng?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Wel l - -
THE COURT: I t may be rel evant t o anot her pr oceedi ng.
Why ar e t hey r el evant t o t oday' s pr oceedi ng?
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Mr . Ost r owski , r el at i ve t o t oday' s pr oceedi ng, whi ch deal s wi t h
a r ei nst at ement t o t he Bar of t he Mi ddl e Di st r i ct of
Pennsyl vani a?
MR. OSTROWSKI: The rel evance t o that pr oceedi ng i s
t he t r auma and anxi et y di sorder wi t h whi ch I was obvi ousl y
af f ect ed f or 40 year s, accor di ng t o t he doct or who j ust
t est i f i ed wi t hout obj ect i on, substant i al l y. And I ' l l t est i f y,
t oo, and I ' l l t i e t hi s stuf f t oget her . But i t substant i al l y
i mpacted my pr i or st andi ng wi t h t he Bar.
One of t he key component s i n my di sci pl i nary case was
a case by t he name of Aaron Chambers t hat was bei ng l i t i gated
bef ore J udge Kane. And my psychi at r i c/ medi cal , however you
want t o l abel i t , condi t i on r el at ed subst ant i al l y t o t hat
di sci pl i ne. I t hi nk t hat t hi s Cour t i n det er mi ni ng whet her I
shoul d cur r ent l y be readmi t t ed, I caused - - I caused some
i nconveni ence t o a j udge of t hi s Cour t . I caused pot ent i al
pr ej udi ce and t r emendous i nconveni ence t o my cl i ent . Those
r el at e speci f i cal l y to my compet ency and abi l i t y to pr act i ce
l aw. And i t ' s t he ent i r e pr emi se of my mot i on, and i t was t he
ent i r e pr emi se of Dr . Schwar t z' s t est i mony that t he evi dence
has been admi t t ed i nt o t he r ecor d.
THE COURT: Di dn' t we get t hat t est i mony, t hough,
r eal l y f r om Dr . Schwar t z ear l i er t hi s mor ni ng?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Your Honor , wel l , we got t hat t hat i s
my cur r ent di agnosi s.
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THE COURT: I sn' t t hat what t hi s Cour t shoul d be
concerned about t oday, i n t erms of r eadmi ssi on t o t he Bar
t oday? That i s what you are seeki ng i n your May 2013 mot i on t o
t he Cour t .
MR. OSTROWSKI: But l ooki ng back al so, Your Honor ,
t o - - and I t hi nk I j ust addr essed t he i ssue. These st r ess
di sor ders - - you know, my quote, unquot e mi sconduct never
i nvol ved one decei t f ul wor d I ever ut t er ed and never i nvol ved
any l i es, never i nvol ved t aki ng money f r om peopl e, never
i nvol ved cr i mi nal behavi or . I t i nvol ved me havi ng some sever e
psychi c i ssues t hat I was deal i ng wi t h.
My cont ent i on when we do post hear i ng br i ef i ng i s I
never woul d have experi enced t hese psychi c i ssues had I ever
been on t he di agnosi s t hat I had been sear chi ng f or f or year s
and pr oper l y t r eat ed.
THE COURT: Wel l , t he Cour t - - t hank you, Mr .
Meguer i an. The Cour t under st ands t hat . The obj ect i on i s
sust ai ned. Do you have some ot her quest i ons f or t hi s wi t ness?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Sur e.
BY MR. OSTROWSKI
Q. Doct or , I pl aced bef or e you an exhi bi t mar ked as
Pl ai nt i f f ' s Exhi bi t Number 3. Do you have t hat ?
A. Yes, I do.
Q. I t says at t he t op of i t r ecei ved by a Kendr a Donnel l y
4/ 10/ 13 and sworn st atement of Andr ew J . Ost r owski .
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A. Yes.
Q. Have you seen that bef ore?
A. I ' m awar e of i t . I ' ve not read i t .
Q. Okay. So t hi s i s the f i r st t i me t hen t hat you ar e seei ng
i t ?
A. I ' m awar e of i t but I ' ve not r ead i t .
Q. Wel l , bei ng awar e - - I want t o know i f you have seen i t
bef or e.
A. I ' ve seen t he cover. I have not r ead t he document .
Q. Okay. The - - dur i ng t he cour se of - - coul d you descr i be
f or t he Cour t what your t r eat ment of me i nvol ved?
MR. MEGUERIAN: Obj ect i on, Your Honor . Agai n, we' r e
get t i ng i nt o past t r eat ment .
THE COURT: I t hi nk I ' ve made i t cl ear , as pol i t el y
and as f ormal l y as we can, t hat we don' t want t o vent ur e down
t hat pat h. That obj ect i on i s sust ai ned.
I f you have ot her quest i ons of t hi s wi t ness,
Mr . Ost r owski , you may cert ai nl y ask t hem.
BY MR. OSTROWSKI
Q. Doctor , you' r e an oi l pai nt er . I s t hat cor r ect?
A. Yes.
MR. MEGUERIAN: Obj ect i on, Your Honor . Not r el evant .
THE COURT: What woul d t he rel evance of t hat be to
t hi s pr oceedi ng r el at i ng t o your r ei nst at ement - -
MR. OSTROWSKI: I wi l l wi t hdr aw - -
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THE COURT: Excuse me. Rel at i ng t o your r ei nst atement
t o t he Bar of t he Mi ddl e Di st r i ct of Pennsyl vani a?
MR. OSTROWSKI: Wel l , Doct or - - or excuse me. J udge,
t he rel evance i s I at t ached a ten- page sworn st atement t o my
mot i on t o be r eadmi t t ed.
THE COURT: Dr . Kr uszewski has t est i f i ed t hat he i s
f ami l i ar wi t h i t but has not r ead i t .
MR. OSTROWSKI: Wel l , t hi s i s a st at ement of me.
That ' s f i ne. I ' m not goi ng t o ask hi m speci f i cal l y about t he
st at ement . But t hi s st at ement cont ai ns a whol e host of f act ual
al l egat i ons t hat I have made - -
THE COURT: But we wi l l gi ve you t he oppor t uni t y t o
t est i f y about t hat i n det ai l i f you car e t o.
MR. OSTROWSKI: Wel l , you know - -
THE COURT: I t seems t o me t hi s quest i on i s not
r el evant t o t oday' s pr oceedi ngs, so t he obj ect i on i s sust ai ned.
I f you have ot her quest i ons of t hi s wi t ness, you may ask t hem.
MR. OSTROWSKI: I under st and. I j ust want t o make a
poi nt about your st at ement about I ' l l be gi ven an oppor t uni t y
t o t est i f y. I under st and I ' l l be gi ven an oppor t uni t y t o
t est i f y. Thi s i s my hear i ng and I ' m goi ng i n t he or der t hat I
deem appr opr i at e. And f r ankl y, I cal l ed Dr . Kr uszewski second
out of r espect f or hi s concer ns as expr essed by hi s counsel as
t o want i ng t o get out of her e and t hi ngs of t hat nat ur e.
May I t ake t hi s - - may I have t hi s wi t ness st ep down
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