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NationalParkServiceKatahdinWoodsandWatersNationalMonument

LowerShinPondFocusWorkshopReportofInput

PreparedbyLeighTillmanFacilitationAugust8,2017,ShinPondVillage

TableofContents

AbouttheFocusWorkshop.........................................................................................1

BreakoutGroupDiscussions........................................................................................1FirstTopic:DiscussionofPotentialNationalMonumentInfrastructureConnectedtoLowerShinPond.......................................................................................................................................................................2SecondTopic:DiscussionofRoadAccessThroughtheNationalMonument..................................5

WholeGroupDiscussion.............................................................................................7

AppendixA:LowerShinPondFocusWorkshopAgenda.............................................10

AppendixB:ReferenceDocumentsfromtheFocusWorkshop...................................12

AppendixC:FocusWorkshopFurtherInputForm......................................................15

AppendixD:CommentsfromFurtherInputFormsandWrittenCommentsfromParticipants................................................................................................................16

KatahdinWoodsandWatersNationalMonument–LowerShinPondFocusWorkshopReportofInput–PreparedbyLeighTillmanFacilitation–August8th,2017 1

AbouttheFocusWorkshopTheLowerShinPondFocusWorkshopwasdesignedfortheNationalParkServiceandthelocalcommunityaroundLowerShinPondto:

• ReviewthecommunityinputsharedtodateastothemajortopicsandissuestoaddressspecifictowheretheNationalMonumentabutsLowerShinPond;

• Hearmorein-depthinputfromthelocalcommunityonthesetopicsandissuesandexplorepossiblewaystomoveforward;

• LearnifthereareanyotherlocallyfocusedtopicsorissuesinregardstoLowerShinPondthatthecommunitywouldliketodiscuss;and

• Reviewnextstepsintheprocessofdetermininghowwewillproceedfromhereincontinuingtheconversation.

ThefocusworkshopwasheldatShinPondVillageinMountChase,Maine.Forty-sixattendeessignedin.Therewasamixofyear-roundandseasonalresidents.Theworkshopwasadvertisedlocallyinthetownoffice,atShinPondVillage,andthroughindividualcalls.Localpoliticians,localmedia,congressionaloffices,andtheLUPCstateofficewereallcontactedaboutthefocusworkshop.Thisreportofinputfromthefocusworkshopisavailabletothepublic.Toensurethattheprocesswasonewhereallviewswereheardandrespectedandwherethetimewasusedefficientlyandeffectively,theNationalParkServicebroughtinaneutralfacilitator,LeighTillman,tohelpdesign,facilitate,andreportonthefocusworkshop.PleaseseeAppendixAforthefocusworkshopagenda.Thisreportincludesallinputrecordedduringbreakoutgroupdiscussions;commentssharedintheconcludingwholegroupdiscussion;andcommentsfromFurtherInputforms(AppendixC)andwrittenstatementsreceivedbyAugust15th(seeAppendixD).Commentsarecapturedinthisreportinthelanguageinwhichtheywerewrittenorshared.

BreakoutGroupDiscussionsInbreakoutgroups,participantsdiscussedthetwotopicsoffocusfortheevening:

1. PotentialNationalMonumentinfrastructureconnectedtoLowerShinPond2. RoadaccessthroughtheNationalMonument


Foreachtopicthebreakoutgroupsdiscussedthefollowingtwoquestions:

1. Whatareyourthoughtsandperspectivesonthistopic/issue?2. Whatarepossiblesolutions/waysforwardthatyouseeforaddressingthis

topic/issue?Volunteersfacilitatedfourbreakoutgroups.Eachbreakoutgrouphadtheopportunitytofirstsharecommentsononeofthesetopics.Commentswerecapturedonflipcharts.Individualswerethenaskedtovotetoprioritizewhattheyconsideredthemainpointsofthediscussiontobringbacktothewholegroup.Breakoutgroupsthenmovedtothesecondtopicwheretheyheardthecommentssharedinanotherbreakoutgroup’spreviousdiscussion.Theyaddedtheirowncommentsonthissecondtopicandthenagainindividualswereaskedtovotetoprioritizewhattheyconsideredthemainpointsfromallcommentsmadeonthissecondtopictobringbacktothewholegroup.Hereincommentsarereportedfirstbythetopmainpointsidentifiedbyeachbreakoutgroup,followedbyallcommentscollectedfromallbreakoutgroupsforeachquestiononeachtopic.Note:numbersinparenthesesindicatethenumberofvotesreceivedinaprioritizingactivitybythatideaforthatbreakoutgroup.

FirstTopic:DiscussionofPotentialNationalMonumentInfrastructureConnectedtoLowerShinPondWhatareYourThoughtsandPerspectivesonPotentialNationalMonumentInfrastructureConnectedtoLowerShinPond?MainPointsofDiscussionsFirstBreakoutGroup

• Maintainstatusquo(15)• Youwantpristine–gotoBaxter(8)• Environmentalimpacts(3)

SecondBreakoutGroup

• Maintainstatusquo(7)• Wouldincreasedaccessencourageencroachmenton/abuseofprivate

property?(5)


• Environmentalimpacts(1)ThirdBreakoutGroup

• Boatlaunch–2opposed,11okay(8)• Nothing!versusinfavor–5nothing!,9infavor(6)• Don’twantmorepeople,moresecurityissues(3)

FourthBreakoutGroup

• Boatlaunch–2opposed,11okay(4)• Keepanydevelopmentsuchasboatramp,docks,campsites,outhouses,etc.

onjustoneparcelofthepropertyandnotdevelopboth(4)AllCommentsCapturedfromDiscussions

• Maintainstatusquoo Noinfrastructureo DisruptivetoShinPondcommunity

• Demandtoaccommodatevisitors• Limitedaccessoption

o Unknown?o Control?

• Youwantpristine–gotoBaxter• Topographychallenge–steep,hilly• Environmentalimpacts• Existingpublicbeach/boatlaunchissufficient• Wouldincreasedaccessencourageencroachmenton/abuseofprivate

property?• Nothing!versusinfavor–5nothing!,9infavor

o Nothing!! Keeppeaceandquiet! Fearofunknown! Noutilitiesbeingallowed! Publicaccessnexttoproperty! Morepeople,moreproblems! Quiet

• Boatlaunch–2opposed,11okay• Don’twantmorepeople,moresecurityissues• Otherplacestohaveboatlaunches• Newcampsaren’tcausinganyproblem• Peoplecherishwhatitisnowandwanttokeepitasnow• Peoplewhoaren’tlandownerswon’trespectproperty• Keepanydevelopmentsuchasboatramp,docks,campsites,outhouses,etc.

onjustoneparcelofthepropertyandnotdevelopboth


PossibleSolutionsandWaysForwardforAddressingPotentialNationalMonumentInfrastructureConnectedtoLowerShinPondMainPointsofDiscussionsFirstBreakoutGroup

• Letrightsexpire(11)• ShinPondistoosmalltoexpandpublicaccess(7)• Don’tcreateaccessthatcan’talwaysbemanaged(3)

SecondBreakoutGroup

• Don’tcreateaccessthatcan’talwaysbemanaged(5)• ShinPondistoosmalltoexpandpublicaccess(4)• Letrightsexpire(3)

ThirdBreakoutGroup

• Nocommercialoperation!(7)• Makeupcitizens’paneltoworkwithgovernmentontheseideas–gobeyond

thetwo-hourmeeting(6)• KeepbusinessesdownthisendofShinPond(3)

FourthBreakoutGroup

• Plantodealwithanyimpactsuchastrash(4)• KeepbusinessesdownthisendofShinPond(3)• Makeupcitizens’paneltoworkwithgovernmentontheseideas–gobeyond

thetwo-hourmeeting(1)AllCommentsCapturedfromDiscussions

• Letrightsexpire• Nomotorizedaccess• Doinfrastructureelsewhere• Concernforfutureconditions,newowners• WhatisboatingaccesscurrentlyonShinPond?• ShinPondpeaceandquiet–paramount• Buyalotifyouwantaccess• ShinPondistoosmalltoexpandpublicaccess• Don’tcreateaccessthatcan’talwaysbemanaged• Needmoresolidifiedplan• Willourpublicinputreallybeconsequential?• KeepbusinessesdownthisendofShinPond

o Easieraccesstolakehere


• Makeupcitizens’paneltoworkwithgovernmentontheseideas–gobeyondthetwo-hourmeeting

• Disruptionofland/geographytoaccesslake• Nocommercialoperation!• Parkingarea–hoursofoperation• Non-motorizedboatspreferred• Plantodealwithanyimpactsuchastrash

o Canso “Carry-in,carry-out”doesn’tworkwello Appropriatefacilitiessuchastoilets,etc.–onlybeingbuilttohandle

thelighttraffic

SecondTopic:DiscussionofRoadAccessThroughtheNationalMonumentWhatareYourThoughtsandPerspectivesonRoadAccessThroughtheNationalMonument?MainPointsofDiscussionsFirstBreakoutGroup

• Campsleftunattended–privateproperty?(8)• Onegoodroadaccessissufficient(6)• Environmentalimpact?(2)

SecondBreakoutGroup

• Onegoodroadaccessissufficient(16)• Campsleftunattended–privateproperty?(1)

ThirdBreakoutGroup

• RoadimprovementsneededonAmericanThreadRoad–brushingback,signage,beavers,ditching,etc.(4)

• Peopleinthisgroupsupportanew,moredirectoptionofaccesstoLowerShinPond(3)

• Concernthatthisbenefitnotonlyonespecificshoreorgroupofcampownersandthatpeopleonthewestshorecouldalsobenefitfromthisnewroadoption(3)

FourthBreakoutGroup

• Maintenance–grading,ditching,plowing(6)• Peopleinthisgroupsupportanew,moredirectoptionofaccesstoLower

ShinPond(5)


• Wouldlikepowertoberun–buriedcable(5)AllCommentsCapturedfromDiscussions

• Onegoodroadaccessissufficiento Happywiththingsastheyare

• Pointsofviewdifferforpublic/privateaccess• Commercialpower?–residential• Environmentalimpact?• Year-roundaccess/maintenance?• NPS–pavedroad?• Restricted/regulatedaccessEPIvs.NPS• Changetocommercialuseifpower?• Campsleftunattended–privateproperty?

o Parkuserswillassumepropertyispublic• RoadimprovementsneededonAmericanThreadRoad–brushingsback,

signage,beavers,ditching,etc.• Peopleinthisgroupsupportanew,moredirectoptionofaccesstoLower

ShinPond• Concernforifsurroundinglandownerswillalwayshaveaccessviathe

ThreadRoadoranynewoptionthatcouldbeimplemented–notonlysummerbutalsoinwintermonths

• Concernthatthisbenefitnotonlyonespecificshoreorgroupofcampownersandthatpeopleonthewestshorecouldalsobenefitfromthisnewroadoption

• ContinuedaccessonGrondinforlandowners• Wouldlikepowertoberun–buriedcable• Maintenance–grading,ditching,plowing

o Wintermaintenance–seasonalaccess??! Plowing–winter! Grading–summer

• Canwelimitaccessbeyondthecampsonanewroadoption?PossibleSolutionsandWaysForwardforAddressingRoadAccessThroughtheNationalMonumentMainPointsofDiscussionsFirstBreakoutGroup

• Thingsremainasis(11)• Noaccesstogridpower(2)


• Regulatepublicaccess/intrusiononprivateland(2)

SecondBreakoutGroup• Thingsremainasis(27)

ThirdBreakoutGroup

• HiringcontractorstoaddressspecificissueonsaidAmericanThreadRoadasithasdiminishedsincebeingloggedandmaintainedbythem(5)

• Obtainingshort/directaccessoff159totheNationalMonumentlandsbywayoftheshortestoptionfrom159(4)

FourthBreakoutGroup

• Obtainingshort/directaccessoff159totheNationalMonumentlandsbywayoftheshortestoptionfrom159(16)

• Buildanewroadbutallowlandownerstocutoffaccesstotheirproperty(11)

AllCommentsCapturedfromDiscussions

• Thingsremainasis• Noaccesstogridpower• Maintainremoteness/wildernessaspects• Regulatepublicaccess/intrusiononprivateland• HiringcontractorstoaddressspecificissueonsaidAmericanThreadRoadas

ithasdiminishedsincebeingloggedandmaintainedbythem• Obtainingshort/directaccessoff159totheNationalMonumentlandsby

wayoftheshortestoptionfrom159• Buildanewroadbutallowlandownerstocutoffaccesstotheirproperty

WholeGroupDiscussionParticipantscamebacktogetherasawholegroupandheardreport-outsofthemainpointsfromeachbreakoutgroupdiscussion.ThesepresentationswerefollowedbyclarifyingcommentsfromTimHudson,SuperintendentoftheKatahdinWoodsandWatersNationalMonument,andLucasSt.Clair,ElliotsvillePlantation,aswellasadditionalcommentsfromparticipants.

• Participantcommentso Thereispubliccanoeaccess–itismarkedonthemapo Wheredidcampsitescomein?Isthatapossibilityinthe[deed]?


• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairo Thetwotopics[ofroadaccessthroughtheNationalMonumentand

potentialinfrastructureconnectedtoLowerShinPond]arerelatedo WehavenorightsontheGrondinRoad.IftheThreadRoadbecomes

themainaccessitcould[impact]someofthesnowmobileaccess.Therearesomeclubtrailsinthere.

! Heardloudandclearthatweneedtodosomeworko Therewasaquestionaboutwhetheracampgroundcouldbebuilt

! Asafoundation,wedon’thavetherighttobuildacampground! TheParkServicecould

o Itisclearthatthisisaspecialplacetoallofyou.Thisinputthatwegottonightandgoingforwardisveryvaluable.

o Wehavenointentionofdoinganythingwithoutamajorityofyouwantingit

• Participantcommentso Majorityofwhatpeople?

• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairo Thepeoplewhoshowupforthesemeetings

• Participantcommentso Thecommentthatyoujustmadeaboutroadaccessandsnowmobiles

–Idon’tunderstandhowtheconflictwouldarise• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clair

o Ithastodowithroadaccessinthewinter.Roadwillbeplowed.o Toclarify,theAmericanThreadRoadisalsoasnowmobiletrail.Camp

ownershavedeededaccesssotheycanplowthatroad.o Ifyoucouldeliminatesomeofthepotentialconflictthatwouldbe

somethingtolookat.Itisanexistingconflictthatcouldberesolvedifwelookatroadaccess.

• Participantcommentso [Inregardstoinfrastructure]–Whowouldbemakingthisdecision?

• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairo LucasSt.Clair:Iamthepresidentofaprivatefoundation,Elliotsville

Plantation,Inc.Membersofmyfamilymakeuptheboard–therearefiveofus.Forahostofprojects,wedecidethroughthebudgetingprocess.

! This[listening]processistogetinputtoinformourdecision.FromwhatI’mhearing,thestatusquoiswhatyoupreferandweareperfectlyhappywiththat.

• Participantcommentso Istheresomebetterwaythatwewouldknowaboutthesemeetings?o Inotifiedthetownofficeo Isthereanydatabaseofthepropertyownersonthispond?o Alotofpeopledidn’tknowaboutthismeetingo Theysendusourtaxbills,theyshouldknow


o I’mreasonablycertainthatthepeopleandtheirtaxinformationispubliclyavailable

o RichCormierprobablyhasmostofthecontactinformationo I’mthepresidentofanassociation–I’dlovetobeonthemailinglisto PutasignuponRoute159

• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairo TimHudson:I’mnotallowedtoputsignsuponstateroads

• Participantcommentso DoyouhavetogetLURCapproval?

• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairo LucasSt.Clair:Imetwiththemyesterday.Therearealotofother

placesforinfrastructurewithintheMonument.FromwhatI’mhearing,accesstothispondisnotapriority.

o Whenwouldbeagoodtimetohaveanothermeeting?• Participantcomments

o September10th–you’dhave150peoplehere• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clair

o Wouldliketoworkwithagroupofpeoplewhocouldhelptogetthewordout

• Participantcommentso Getthewordoutearlier.Someofuslivealongwayaway.o Officehours?

• ClarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairo SomeoneisintheLumbermen’sMuseumeveryday.Weusuallyarein

MillinocketonThursdayandtheLumbermen’sMuseumonSaturday.

Appendices


AppendixA:LowerShinPondFocusWorkshopAgenda

NationalParkServiceInSupportofKatahdinWoodsandWatersNationalMonument

LowerShinPondFocusWorkshopAgenda

August8,2017,ShinPondVillageObjectivesThisfocusworkshopisdesignedfortheNationalParkServiceandthelocalcommunityaroundLowerShinPondto:

• ReviewthecommunityinputsharedtodateastothemajortopicsandissuestoaddressspecifictowheretheNationalMonumentabutsLowerShinPond;

• Hearmorein-depthinputfromthelocalcommunityonthesetopicsandissuesandexplorepossiblewaystomoveforward;

• LearnifthereareanyotherlocallyfocusedtopicsorissuesinregardstoLowerShinPondthatthecommunitywouldliketodiscuss;and

• Reviewnextstepsintheprocessofdetermininghowwewillproceedfromhereincontinuingtheconversation.

Agenda

6:00 WelcomingRemarks

TimHudson,Superintendent,KatahdinWoodsandWatersNationalMonument,NationalParkServicewillbeginthefocusworkshopwithwelcomingremarks.

6:05 AbouttheFocusWorkshop

FacilitatorLeighTillmanwillreviewthegroundrulesandagendaforthefocusworkshop.

6:15 PresentationofTopicstoDiscuss

TimHudsonandLucasSt.Clair,ElliotsvillePlantation,willpresentbackgroundonthetopicsandissuesthatwearefocusingonthisevening.TheywillalsoreviewinputsharedattheCommunityListeningSessionsinregardstotheLowerShinPondarea.Therewillbetimetoaskclarifyingquestionsandtohighlightanyotherlocally


focusedtopicsorissuesparticipantswouldliketofocusoninbreakoutgroupdiscussions.

6:30 CommunityInputBreakoutGroups

WewillmoveintosmallgroupstoprovideinputonpossibleNationalMonumentinfrastructureconnectedtoLowerShinPondandroadaccessthroughtheNationalMonumentaswellasanyotherlocallyfocusedtopics/issuesraised.

QuestionsforBreakoutGroupDiscussions:1. Whatareyourthoughtsandperspectivesonthistopic/issue?2. Whatarepossiblesolutions/waysforwardthatyouseefor

addressingthistopic/issue?7:25 BreakoutGroupReportOut

Wewillcomebacktogetherasawholegroupandhearreport-outsfromthebreakoutgroups.TherewillbetimeforclarifyingcommentsfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairandadditionalcommentsfromthewholegroup.

7:55 ClosingRemarks

WewillhearfinalremarksfromTimHudsonandLucasSt.Clairincludingwhathappensfromhereinourprocess.

8:00 Adjourn


AppendixB:ReferenceDocumentsfromtheFocusWorkshopThefollowingmapsandportionofthedeedwerereferredtoandavailableforreferenceduringthefocusworkshop.

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AppendixC:FocusWorkshopFurtherInputFormFurtherInputandWorkshopEvaluationformswerehandedoutbeforetheconcludingwholegroupdiscussion.TheFurtherInputportionofthehandoutisincludedhere.CommentsprovidedontheFurtherInputportionareincludedinthisreport.

NationalParkServiceInSupportofKatahdinWoodsandWatersNationalMonument

LowerShinPondFocusWorkshopFurtherInputandWorkshopEvaluation

August8,2017,ShinPondVillageThankyouforbeingapartoftoday’sfocusworkshop.Weappreciateyourinputandfeedback.Thisformisanopportunitytosharefurtherinputonthetopics/issuesdiscussedthiseveningandtosharefeedbackontheworkshop.Feelfreetofilloutthisformandreturnittousthisevening.OryoucandropitoffatourWelcomeDeskinPattenattheLumbermen’sMuseum.Allcommentssharedunder“FurtherInput”onthisformandreceivedbyMonday,August14th,2017willbeincludedinthefocusworkshopreport.FurtherInput

TopicsfromBreakoutGroupDiscussions:

1. NationalMonumentinfrastructureconnectedtoLowerShinPond2. RoadaccessthroughtheNationalMonument3. Othertopics/issuesyou’dliketocommenton

QuestionsfromBreakoutGroupDiscussions:

1. Whatareyourthoughtsandperspectivesonthistopic/issue?2. Whatarepossiblesolutions/waysforwardthatyouseeforaddressingthis

topic/issue?Pleasefeelfreetoshareadditionalthoughtsonthetopicsandquestionsfromthebreakoutgroupdiscussionsandanyadditionalcomments:


AppendixD:CommentsfromFurtherInputFormsandWrittenCommentsfromParticipantsThefollowingcommentsweresubmittedbyparticipantsthroughFurtherInputforms(AppendixC)andwrittenstatementsreceivedbytheNationalParkServicebyAugust15th,2017.Name:noneprovidedTown,City:noneprovided

• WhywouldtherebeaneedtospendmoneyandcausemassivedisruptiontotheenvironmentandresidentsofLowerShinPondtocreateaccesstothissmallpond?Peoplecanaccesspondslikethismuchclosertohomeandpublicaccessalreadyexistshereforlocalresidentsandthepublic.

Name:noneprovidedTown,City:noneprovided

• Thislandwaspurchasedwithapurpose–toexpand.Iamagainstthistotally.ShinPondistoosmall.Theonlythinggoingonhereis“moneytalks”andmajoritywillnotrule.


• NotificationofthesemeetingsneedstoimprovesignificantlyName:noneprovidedTown,City:noneprovided

• I’vebeencomingherefor21yearstoafamilycampthathasbeenhereforgenerations.Wecomeupeverysummerandblendinwiththecommunity.Thereisnothingtosayhow/whothisparkentrancewilldisturbthenatureofthisprizedpond.

Name:JohnShirleyTown,City:noneprovided

• Infrastructure–anyinfrastructure,suchasboatlaunches,parkinglots,andotherfeaturesthatwouldattractvisitorswouldresultinasituation


detrimentaltopropertyownersonthepond.Theplatformonwhichsuchwaterfrontfacilitieswouldexistwouldbesmallrelativetothespacesintowhichvisitorswouldventure.Oncedepartedfromthissmallplatform,somevisitorswoulddisregardornotrecognizethatthedocks,boats,andotherwaterfrontfacilitiesintheareaimmediatelyadjacenttothepublicarea,areinfactprivateproperty.

• Thisdisproportionaljuxtapositionofpublicandprivateproperty,coupledwiththesenseofentitlement/ownershiptobeheldbysomevisitors,willleadtoincidentsoftrespassing,littering,andpotentiallyseriousviolations.Nopolicinginfrastructureexiststoregulatesuchactivityandtheneighboringpropertyownersshouldnotbecompelledtointroducesuch.

• OnepointthatwasglossedoverinthediscussionisthefactthattherealreadyexistsapublicboatlaunchonLowerShinPond.The“brownsandbeach”locationisanexistingpublicaccess.Ifitisdeterminedamoreadequatelaunchsiteisneeded,theexistingaccesscouldbeengineeredatlowcostrelativetobuildinganentire,newfacility.RecentandexistingDeLormemapsindicatethelocationoftheexistinglaunch.

Name:DebbieShirleyTown,City:noneprovided

• Therealreadyexistsapublicboatlaunch(brownsandbeach)anda“commercial”endofthelake.Itwouldmakemoresensetodirectvisitorstothoseareas.AddingaboatlaunchorotheramenitiesonthesmallamountofpondfrontagethattheMonumentownswouldtotallychangethecharacterofthelessdeveloped,“offthegrid”endofthepond.Itwouldinevitablyresultintrespassingandpossiblydamagetoprivatelands(asvisitorswouldassumethatsurroundinglandis“theirs”tovisitaswell).Withouttheadditionofadditionalinfrastructureattheendofthepond,Iseenoreasontochangetheexistingroadstructure.Itwouldn’tbenecessarytoaddaroadtomoredirectlyaccessthearea(whichwould,onceagain,encourageadditionaltraffictotheprivatelandwhichcouldnotbemonitoredor“policed”byparkofficials).AfewlandownersatoneendofSuckerBrookRoadmightwantaroadtomoreeasilyaccesstheircamps,butIthinkthemajorityoflandownersfurtheralongtheroad(SuckerBrookRoad)wouldbeagainstthedevelopmentofsucharoadandtheensuingchangetothearea.


• Thismap[mapwithheld]showsthecampsthatmakeuptheoriginal100-acrelotpurchasedfromHunterDavisattheendofthe20thcentury.AllthelotsfromSuckerBrooktoWoodwards’lotareapartofthatlot.Someofthese


werethefirstcampsonthelake,andthefourfamilieswhoownthem(Rogers,Lent,Peavey,andWilliams)areallaccustomedtoaccessingourcampsprimarilybyboat.Roadaccessisanew-fanglednovelty,butnotanecessity.

• IaskedeveryonewhoIcouldfindintheircampsthisweekiftheywantedanewroadconnectingSuckerBrookRoadto157and/orpublicaccesstotheshoreline.Allsaidnotobothquestionswiththeexceptionof[onenamewithheld]whosaidtheywouldbeokwiththeroadonlyifitwasforresidentsonlyandifMonumentvisitorsweremadetousetheThreadRoad.

• Afterspeakingwitheveryone,itoccurredtomethatthequestionyoumaywanttoaskis:wouldyougiveuproadaccessinexchangeforkeepingthegeneralpublicoutofourcove?As10/19ofourcampsdonotuseroadaccesscurrently,Iamprettysuretheanswerwouldbeyes.

• Tallybyindividual:o 106/110donotwantanewroad(4wantitbutforresidentsonly)o 107/110donotwantpublicaccess(3sayokbutonlyviaThread

Road)• Tallybylot:

o 13/14donotwantroadorpublicaccesso 1/14isokaywithitbutonlyifroadisresidentsonly

• Ihavespokenwith[threenameswithheld]andam90%suretheyagreewiththemajorityofus.ButIhaven’tbeenabletospeaktothemthisweek.Ihavenoideawhere[onenamewithheld]stands.

• AlltheplacesonSuckerBrookRoadhavebeenbuiltsinceHerbHainescreatedthatroadintheearly2000s.Theyseemtohaveaseparatesetofconcerns.ButasfarasthehistoricHunterDaviscamps,westronglyopposeanydevelopmentofFairviewRidge,beitroadorboathouseorwhathaveyou.