november, 2018 issue# 594 · auction ?joe boling ran the auction. assisting were sharon bower, donn...

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The P lanchet- I . C. C. -

NOVEMBERBER 2018 Issue# 594

A.N.A. C-131170 - I.S.N.A. LM 243 - C.S.N.S. L-600

Established 1939 and celebrating over 75 years of service to the coin collector.

The next meeting will be Monday, November 19th, 2018 Meetings of the Indianapolis Coin Club are held the third Monday of each month at

the Northside Knights of Columbus 2100 E. 71st Street in Indianapolis, Indiana.

The Meetings consist of a business session, educational program, an intermission, and a numismatic auction.

Doors open at 6:00pm, meeting will begin at 7:00pm.

http://www.indianapoliscoinclub.org/ICC/Home.html

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NOVEMBER, 2018 Issue# 594

A Few Words From Your President There is a questionnaire in this month's Planchet for you to fill out. There is no obligation to do so,

but your feedback is very important to the Club. Please consider filling it out before coming to the

meeting and handing it in at that time. There will also be ample numbers of questionnaires at the

meeting if you forget it or cannot print it out at home. Thanks in advance for your participation.

Our November meeting will be your last chance to volunteer to sit at the ICC table on December 14

and 15 at the ISNA show to promote the Club. Last month we actually lost ground because

someone had a conflict for his signup date. PLEASE consider sitting at our table for at least an hour.

This is a fantastic way to tell attendees about our Club and to meet new people as well. Join me in

signing up for an hour or two.

As was mentioned at last month's meeting, if you would like to volunteer to help with the youth

auction at the ISNA show or donate material for the auction, please see Gary Connor for details.

Mark Eberhardt will be giving his "State of the Hobby" talk at tonight 's meeting. This is a favorite for

our members because Mark gives his opinion on the numismatic marketplace, what 's hot and

what 's not, and where things may be headed in the coming year.

Don't forget that we will not have a regular meeting next month. Our annual Holiday Banquet will

take place on Tuesday, December 4, at the Castleton MCL Cafeteria at 6 p.m. Our popular gift

exchange will take place following the meal, where members can bring a wrapped numismatic gift

of up to $20 in value to be entered into the drawing for and possibly stolen by one of the next

people down the line. It is fun, so if you have not participated in the past, please join us. As always,

spouses and significant others are welcome.

We will be voting for our 2019 ICC Board of Directors at tonight 's meeting. The list of Officers is the

same as presented by Vinton Dove at our October meeting. Changes on the list from 2018 include

Andy Nahrwold assuming the position of Vice-President, moving from the 2017-18 Director 's term

(which was filled by him due to the passing of Bob Betcher); Donn Wray and Jeff Bercovitz rolled

over from the 2017-18 Directors term to the 2019-20 term, and Steve Howery moves from Vice

President to the 2019-20 Directors term.

VP Steve Howery and I visited the Muncie Coin and Stamp Club last Tuesday. We will be sharing a

few thoughts about that meeting and how it compares with our ICC meetings.

I look forward to seeing you at tonight 's meeting, and please bring someone along that may be

interested in coins, paper money, and anything else related to numismatics!

Jim Sukup, President

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'Annual State of the Hobby Address'

byMark Eberhardt

Next Month?s Meeting Date & Program: There is no meeting in December, However our annual holicay banquet will be held at the MCL Restaurant on the corner of 86th and Allisonville

Road.

Tuesday December 4th6:00 p.m.

INDIANAPOLIS COIN CLUB EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM This month?s Educational Program will be:

As hopefully all of our members know, the ICC has a library that is free to use for it 's members. I am sending a copy of the current list of available books with each issue. Jim Sukup usually brings a few books each month but we want to make sure that everyone is aware of the books that are available.

Email Jim prior to the meeting and he will bring your selection if it is available.

[email protected]

NOVEMBER ,2018 Issue# 594

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Issue# 594NOVEMBER, 2018

Box Thalers By Christopher Bower

Today I wanted to share a new acquisition that I am excited about. Box thalers are a part of numismatic history that is rarely discussed any more. Being a collector of German States coins they have always been on my radar as something that I wanted to pick up when I had the opportunity. A recent Heritage auction had 3 examples of which I was able to obtain 1 of them. This piece is actually a 1686 Austrian piece and it still has it?s inserts.

There were many new large silver coins issued in the sixteenth century, and they could easily be regarded as decorative pieces, thalers especially. Many still survive showing signs of having been gilded and/or mounted for wear. Some were also turned into what became known as schraubthalers (or box thalers) which became fashionable toys in seventeenth-century Germany. Augsburg was a particular center of their manufacture.

To make a schraubthaler, a thaler or pair of thalers was cut in half along the edge and hollowed out, with a groove added so that the two halves could be screwed together. One could place small pictures inside: religious symbols, portraits, or other miniature pictures were common (including pornography).

The inserts in this picture were intended to be a type of game or amusement. There

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are 5 overlays made on a thin transparent material. When put on top of the picture on the right you could make the maiden appear to have different clothes on.

Eventually, box thalers were made at the mint using genuine coinage dies. The Hall mint in Tyrol was a particular center of these items.

There is no way for me to tell if my example is a mint produce piece or a privately made one. Aside from the modifications to make the ?box? it is in remarkable condition. The collector in me is a litt le disappointed that we lost 2 coins to future collectors to create this item but the history of the item outweighs this feeling. At some point this was probably a value keepsake for a family in the 17th and 18th centuries. I picture a gentleman carrying this in pocket to use as entertainment when his young daughter was getting restless.

Box Thalers tend to sell for higher than their host coins value. Many of them show signs of significant handling for obvious reasons.

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1984 Proof Set 3.00

1985 Proof Set 3.00

1986 Proof Set 3.00

1987 Proof Set 3.00

1989 Proof Set 3.00

1990 Proof Set 3.00

1991 Proof Set 3.00

1992 Proof Set 3.00

1993 Proof Set 3.00

1999 Proof Set 3.00

2000 Proof Set 3.00

2001 Proof Set 3.00

2002 Proof Set 3.00

$100 1963A Chicago VF 105.00

$50 1963A Chicago VF 55.00

$50 1969 Chicago UNC 55.00

$20 2013 San Francisco Gem UNC Serial 77777218 23.00

$10 1934B PCGS VF 25 Silver Certificate 125.00

Netherlands 1961 2-1/2 Gulden XF Silver .720 - .3742oz 5.00

Spain 1966 100 Pesetas XF Silver .800 - .4887oz 5.00

1863 Columbus, OH Store Card VF St. Martin Eating House 10.00

Masonic Token UNC Struck on 1979 1C 3.00

1854 Seated 50C Really Bad 3.00

November 2018 Auction Lots

for 11/19/2018 Description Grade Additional Notes Starting Price

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Trivia:

Franklin Half Dollars were produced for howmany years?

Answer is at the bottom of the treasurer 's report.

PLEASE try to have correct change, or at least use smaller bills, to pay for auction items that you win. Especially troublesome are $50's and $100's which

quickly drain the change that is available. That change is personal money, and it will be greatly appreciated by the

changer and auction assistants to make giving change easier and more efficient.

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July 16, 2018 - Minut es of t he Indianapolis Coin Club Meet ing.

Open ? Vice President, Steve Howery, called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM. 34

people were present. We met at the Knights of Columbus Hall, 2100 East 71st Street.

The door prize was a 1936- donated by Joe Boling.

The Secret ary?s repor t and the Treasurer ?s repor t for June were approved as

published in the Planchet.

Visit ors ? Visitors included Fabrizio Raponi and Jim Julien.

Com m it t ee repor t s ? None.

Old Business ? Steve said he bought a set of WWI medals made in Great Brittain, and

Joe Boling found a medal he wanted, but had to buy the whole set just to get the one

medal.

New Business ? None. Kills! Joe Boling received a Polish counterfeit note from a

friend, for free. He was very happy to get it! Steve said his wife got a whole roll of

wheat cents at her work. Jerry C said that he got another Star Note in CU condition.

Jeff Bercovitz found some coin related articles published in the Indianapolis Star

newspaper in the 1970?s. The articles were authored by Jim Buck, a long-time member

of the ICC.

The Educat ional Program ??The Program was ?US Twenty Twenty-Cent Pieces?

presented by Paul Vaughn. The program was informative and excellent!.

After the Break , the At t endance Draw ing (Door Prize) and the 50/50 Drawing were

held.

Auct ion ?Joe Boling ran the auction. Assisting were Sharon Bower, Donn Wray, Jim

Sukup, Chris Bower and Vinton Dove.

The meeting was Adjourned around 9:00 PM. The next meeting will be August 18..

Respectfully submitted,

Vinton Dove, Secretary


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Oct ober 15, 2018 - Minut es of t he Indianapolis Coin Club Meet ing.

Open ? President, Jim Sukup, called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM. 34 people were present. We met at the Knights of Columbus Hall, 2100 East 71st Street. The door prize was an 1893 Columbiean Exposition Half Dollar donated by Steve Howery.

The Secret ary?s repor t for August was approved as published in the Planchet. The Treasurer 's Repor t was not available in time to be published.

Visit ors ? None.

Com m it t ee repor t s ? New

Old Business ? None.

New Business ? Nominations for ICC Officers and Board members are in. Andy Nahrwold is nominated for Vice-President, and Steve Howery is nominated to move from VP to a Board member for 2019-2020. Don Wray and Jeff Bercovitz will be members fot eh 2019-2020 term. We are soliciting speakers for the 2019. We would like to have the first 3 months ASAP so they can be in the Special Edition of the Planchet. Reminder, a sign up sheet is available for members to work the ICC Table at the ISNA show. Dates are December 14th and 15th. Gary Conner is doing the youth auction at the ISNA. Please see Gary if you want to volunteer to help or have items to donate. Kills! Mark Eberhardt found a silver Roosevelt dime in circulation. Joe Boling brought in a counterfiet $50 note from Australia. It was a note that should be printed on polymer but was printed on paper. It did not exactly replicate the original because minor design changes had been made on genuine notes that he copied onto the 1998-dated note. Another member found a 1920 Buffalo nickel. Don Wray bought a Glasgow, Scotland store token, circa 1850-60, for $15.00.

The Educat ional Program ?The Program was "Confederate Currency, Bonds and Civil War Tokens" by Harvey Warner. Everyone seemed to enjoy this entertaining presentation.

After the Break , the At t endance Draw ing (Door Pr ize) and the 50/50 Draw ing were held.

Auct ion ?Joe Boling ran the auction. There were about 50 auction lots covering a wide variety of collecting interests. Assisting were Sharon Bower, Donn Wray, Jim Sukup, Chris Bower and Vinton Dove.

The meeting was Adjourned at 8:48 PM. The next meeting will be October 14.

Respectfully submitted,


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Indianapolis Coin Club 2018 Meet ing Dat es & Educat ional Program s

January 15, 2018 - ?Military Challenge Coins? - by Sharon Bower * Prize sponsor: Chris Bower

February 19, 2018 - ?Coins are Where You Find Them ? - by Jim Sukup * Prize sponsor: Jim Sukup

March 19, 2018 - ?Mexican Silver Libertads, Treasure Coin of Mexico? - by Michael White * Prize sponsor: Michael White

April 16, 2018 - 'Obscure Foreign Coins' - by Paul Griffin* Prize sponsor: Paul Griffin

May 21, 2018 - 'Von NotHaus Liberty Dollars' - by Gerald Coraz* Prize sponsor: Gerald Coraz

June 18, 2018 - 'Silver Legend' - by Donn Wray* Prize sponsor: Donn Wray

July 16, 2018 - 'America's Ugly Duckling Coin' - by Paul Vaughn* Prize sponsor: T. B. A.

August 20, 2018 - 'Banknotes at Twenty Power ' - by Joseph E. Boling* Prize sponsor: Joseph E. Boling

September 17, 2018 - Exhibit Night* Prize sponsor: I. C. C.

October 15, 2018 -T. B. A. - by Harvey Warner * Prize sponsor: T. B. A.

November 11, 2018 - ?Annual State of the Hobby Address? -by Mark Eberhardt * Prize sponsor: Mark Eberhardt

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 ? NO MEETING - I.C.C. Holiday Banquet

* For 2018 we are continuing the 'Attendance Prize' drawing at each monthly meeting as an added incentive for all I.C.C. members to attend as many meetings as possible and to encourage new membership. Everyone attending each regular monthly meeting will receive a prize ticket when they arrive at the meeting and sign in at the greeting table. The prize each month will be a 90% silver U.S. Half Dollar (or equivalent or greater 90% silver content coin) The I.C.C. Board members and officers as well as several I.C.C. members chose to act as sponsors and donate the monthly prizes rather than funding them from our budget. You'll find the monthly

prize sponsor listed below each monthly meeting date above. You'll just have to show up to see what you may win!

Please keep this in mind each month; regardless of who is giving the monthly program and/or the topic, we owe it to that person and the membership to remain quiet and pay attention during the program. It?s important that we

respect the knowledge that is being shared with us as well as the time and effort the speaker is donating to our club. The same rules should apply to our monthly auctions; please remain quiet and pay attention. Thank you.


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Treasurer ?s Repor t 2018

RECEIPTS: Sept em ber Oct ober Dues - Regular @ $20.00 ea. Dues - Junior @ $5.00 ea. Advertising - Planchet @ $35.00 ea. Advertising - Special EditionFifty/Fifty Drawing: $41.00 $45.00 Donations / Auction Lot Sales: $3.00ICC Library Book Sold (est): Auction Lots Sheets @ $1.00 per Sheet: $5.00 $13.00 Newsletter Postage Fee:

Sale of MedalsTOTAL RECEIPTS: $46.00 $61.00

DISBURSEMENTS: Sept em ber Oct ober Dues - ANA: Insurance - Liability: Insurance - Treasurer 's Bond: Mail Box Rental: Secretary/Treasurer - Postage: K of C Meeting Room Rent: $100.00 $100.00Door Prizes (11 Months) Exhibitors Nights Prizes: $250.00Library Purchases: Website Maintenance Newsletter: - Printing/Supplies: - Postage:

TOTAL DISBURSEMENTS: $350.00 $100.00

NET INFLOW / OUTFLOW: -$304.00 $39.00 ICC CHECKBOOK: Sept em ber Oct oberBalance: $3580.98 $3541.98


Trivia Answer: 16 years; 1948 through 1963

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The 2018 Indianapolis Coin Club Of f icers and Board Mem bers:

President Jim Sukup Vice-President Steve Howery Secretary Vinton Dove Treasurer Mark Eberhardt Newsletter Editor Christopher Bower Past President Michael White Sgt-at-Arms Jim Warden Board Member 2018-2019 Gerald Coraz Board Member 2018-2019 Paul Vaughn Board Member 2018-2019 Jim Roehrdanz Board Member 2017-2018 Donn Wray Board Member 2017-2018 Jeff Bercovitz Board Member 2017-2018 Andy Nahrwold


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