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7/29/2019 Music Medicine From 'SacredFire' (Previously 'Chants & Drums') [Episode 13] Wired for Success

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Music Medicine from 'SacredFire' (previously 'Chants _ Drums') Wiredfor Success [Episode 13]

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Melanie: So, welcome to another episode ofhttp://www.wiredforsuccess.tv.Im Mel Gabriel and with me is my co-host, Beryl Thomas. Say hello, Beryl.

Beryl: Hi everyone.

Beryl: And today, we bring you MJ. And MJ, can you just quickly tell theaudience what that stands for?

MJ: Its my name. Its Marie Josee. Im French-Canadian. And bon jour.

Melanie: OK.

MJ: And bon jour.

Beryl: Bon jour.

Melanie: So we bring you MJ and Dean.

Dean: That was an easy one, isnt it?

Beryl: Thats the easy one.

Melanie: Yeah. So, theyre two musical artists with a difference. Now, theirmusic allows them to be to spontaneously blend together their talents asmusician, energy healer, and teacher. And the result is a letting go of thatwhich interferes with our ability to connect to our higher purpose and live it.

They referred to these quite spontaneous improvisations as MusicMedicine. We caught up with them whilst they were travelling throughEngland. And today, were going to share they are going to share with uswhy theyre so passionate about sharing the magic of their music and themeaning it gives to their lives.

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So, welcome and bonjour MJ and Dean. Were so thrilled to have you withus today.

Now, you offer quite a diverse experience, dont you? From individualsessions to bigger stage shows and actually, before we start the interview,we just like to give the audience a taste of the experience you offer so theyknow what to expect.

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Melanie: Wow! What can I say? That was beautiful.

Beryl: Gorgeous.

Melanie: So question to both of you, could you share with us please howyou would describe your work and what it is that you want people to take-away from the experience of your work?

MJ: We like to describe our work as music medicine. We offer rebouncingsound, healing, transformative experiences. And what we share comesfrom our heart, what we share comes from a space of connecting with ourintuition and connecting with our highest good and with the intent of guidingpeople to connect with their sole purpose. And usually, what people get outof it is deep relaxation, connection with their body, mind, spirit, and a senseof belonging often, a sense of oneness and my, I could go on and on.

Melanie: So it sounds a little bit to me as though as you get them to sort ofconnect with connect with their deepest selves, the impression here isthat theyre going to be letting go of something that they need to let go ofand do you know, this is unbelievable. I forgotten the question I was goingto ask you.

Beryl: Can I come in here? May I come in here?

Melanie: Yeah.

Beryl: Im going to take the opportunity, Melanie.

Melanie: Yeah.


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Beryl: And just say that, I met MJ and Dean at one of their experiences.And I went along not really knowing what I was going to, thinking it wasgoing to be a performance. And actually, it was something quite differentand it was a spiritual experience and it was beautiful. It was in a yogacenter and we just lay down and I couldnt believe how relaxing it was. Andit wasnt just I want to say oddly relaxing. It was going into quite a deepspace and it was there was I was surprised at how relaxed I wasbecause the music, its not soft always. There was an undertone ofsoftness but Dean can go over on those drums but in the nicest possibleway, Dean. And I could I was surprised at this deep experienced that Ifelt.

And at one point, I really felt a resounding in my head not in an unpleasantway but like a pulsating in my head and in my chest space. There were

times when I really experienced that. The other thing that was lovely was itwas so personal even though there may be about 20 people there. MJ, youwould come around to each of us and you seemed to sense what eachperson needed and you had, apart from your beautiful, beautiful voice,obviously you have your instruments, and you just seemed to intuitivelyknow what that person needed.

MJ: Well, I think that might be a little bit of what Mel you wanted toexpress when you were talking about letting go. What we want to do whenwe do our performances is let go of our ego so that we can simply be achannel so that the universal energies and the inspiration can be that cancome from a good intention, from the heart. And it allows us to travelbetween worlds. And this is what were challenged too which is why wesometimes say that we do shamanic sound healing. We do use techniqueslike shamanic sound healing techniques that have been used by ancienttribes and shamans from all over the world for many, many, many, manyyears.

And the drums, the drumming, yes, can sometimes cause maybe chaos.

Some of the rattles that we use can sometimes be very loud. I dont know ifyou want to talk about maybe your experience when youre drummingwhere, which, and what space you are and where it takes people?

Dean: Well, its a what I really enjoy about it is that you, in this kind ofwork, you have to get your ego out of the way. You cant like wheneveryou try and go, Oh, I think Ill do a triple pair of diddle with a thing on the


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left and then try to impress. It doesnt you got to get really out of that. So and just let it flow. And sometimes, I feel like Im walking in the forest andIm bringing up whatever the vibe of the room is. But the key is to really justlet go and not and just let it flow, which is from an artists side of things,from a creative, its not the easiest thing to do but it really is rewarding atthe end because youre in tune with everybody.

MJ: I think thats exactly what he said just there being in tuned witheverybody. Thats kind of the key for us to be in the non-performancemode. So what we do is we connect with peoples energy, with peoplesvibrations. And the way to do this is simply to allow when youremeditating, this is what we do, when you meditate, you just open up andyou try not to be hanging on to any thoughts. And whatever comes,whatever is, you just acknowledge it and you say, Well, yes. OK. This

thought is here. Well, its the same thing with working with our musicmedicine and working with people.

And if we sense something in the room Ill give you an example. We canbe working in a room and we can sense that to start with people that arefidgeting, people that are uneasy. Sometimes, well enter a room andeverybody is so open and theyre already relaxed or almost when we start.Sometimes, we get in a room and there are people there who arestruggling with health issues. Some people will have extreme physical pain.Some people will have theyll be bothered because they just lostsomeone or their relationship has ended. So everybody has their stuff,right?

And so, we sense this. So its for us just to be connecting with this and thenwith a blend of sound healing techniques and some massage techniquesand pure intuitive music, this is what we allow to come through us. So Ithink this is what people sense about us. So were not offering a show andhoping that it will sound good because sometimes frankly, especially toughfor myself because your drumming is always nice but sometimes with my

voice, Ill start singing like a grandma and then I have like we have littlemovies that go on in our heads. Were lucky when we have both the samemovie thats going on in our heads, thats great.

But sometimes, I have a feeling that there is like an old nurturinggrandmother and then Ill start singing and my voice will become old,squeaky, and little later, Ill be talking like this and its like, oh my God. But


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its so aligned and connected with what Im feeling and my intention is ahealing, loving intent. And then when because the sound healing, thedefinition of sound healing is sound plus loving intention. So sound plusintention equals sound healing, right?

So, if we allow ourselves its the question of letting go, its all the same.Being in the now, being in the present, being in the moment. Its all thoseteachings that all those amazing teachers teach us, Wayne Dyer, DeepakChopra, Marianne Williamson and [indiscernible] [0:12:05]and all thesepeople.

Melanie: So, you must see quite some dramatic transformations in people.And the reason Im saying this is because from the little clip that welistened to at the beginning and just listening to the resonance in both your

voices, things are sort of happening inside me and the thought thatscoming to mind that it must be for those people who for some peoplewho have this experience, it must be a way of facilitating them to makeshifts and changes that perhaps theyve been resisting a lot more easily.Some people, they wait until disaster occurs before they will shift eventhough the shift they know is for their own good.

But the feeling I got from the resonance from your voice in just a little clipsof music we were experiencing was that it somehow facilitated in a muchmore easy and OK, it might create chaos in them but its almost like it givesthem permission to move on a lot faster. Is that the experience you havewith people who experienced your work?

MJ: When for example, we create chaos with our sounds, with our rattles,with our voices, with our instruments, with moving also, we often move andgo towards people, we create loud sounds and this will allow people toconnect with their tensions and open the door to possibility of releasingtheir tensions. So theres a double process that goes on. Theres one thatits an interesting concept to try to explain. One is sometimes the vibration

lets say, you know how people sometimes say negative theres negativeenergies or negative vibrations so thats one way of singing. So vibrationhat would be misplaced or misaligned or out of balance could kind of gothrough us and with our music and our sound, we are helping, we are toolsto help these energies to be balanced.


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The work is done within ourselves which is more of the shamanic work. Sothis is where the work is done within ourselves and the people also do thework too.

Beryl: Yes.

MJ: Sometimes, its very easy for them. They just some people fallasleep. Some people really fall asleep and the work gets done at a verydeeper subconscious level.

Beryl: Another level.

MJ: And sometimes, theyre very, very well-aware. Theyll say afterwards,Oh my God! I was my back hurt and then I move this far and then I

started dancing. Some people stand up and dance while others snorebesides them. So we have different ways of so its about releasing thetensions, creating space for bright, new, healthy energies to flow withinthemselves and then have an opportunity to be more at ease and morebalanced and then working on all the energy levels.

So, on a physical body, all the bodies, physical body, emotional body,mental body, spiritual body enhance the oneness. And the connection partis connecting to our soul with guided visualizations. So Ill often you dontmind me talking like that for hours and hours and you not saying anything?

Dean: Do I have a choice?

Beryl: Its in the genes, MJ. Carry on.

MJ: Yeah. So we do guided visualization which is more my part of the soIll keep on talking here.

Dean: Yup.

MJ: And so, some concerts and some sessions have a lot of guidedvisualizations in them, some have hardly none. We never know. Its alwaysimprovised. But when we have that then people really journey and theyactually have a verbal guidance to make some to become conscious ofcertain things and also, to get some healing that really at another level.


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Dean: Im going to elaborate a little bit. What Im always blown away what I really like about this work because I played in a lot of rock bands formany, many years and its fun. Youre doing your thing and your thing isloud. But what is really rewarding about this is generally at the end, if its asmall enough group like obviously if there are 400 people, we cantnecessarily do this, but we have a sharing afterwards and its it justhappened once but over and over and over again, people are having aprofound revelations about themselves and that is really rewarding. That islike thats like, OK. Yeah, Im doing my purpose. Im doing my dharma.

We had people and it seems like a little surreal like somebody in one ofour events was saying that it was the first time they hadnt had this leg painthat theyve been I forget what they had. And theyre like, oh yeah. Andyou feel like, well, Im not like an evangelist healer or anything but and

then somebody else came at a different time with another long-term ailmentthat they said they didnt have tinnitus in the ear. It was gone for the whole

we get comments on the CD that we have that one woman is going to Ilove this one. Shes played it a lot but shes going to have it playing whenshe delivered her baby. Things like that.

MJ: Thats an honor.

Dean: And we dont know this person. They just so it makes me reallyfeel that theres a connection going on and its doing some good. So yeah.

Melanie: I think I was inadequately trying to express that kind ofexperience on me although it was just a short snippet at the beginningwhen my brain went blank. But its all been filled in now. Youre going tosay something, Beryl.

Beryl: Yeah. I just what Im enjoying hearing here is that the reasonyoure doing this is because its what you love. And in doing what you love,in living your passion, its creating wonderful things for other people. And I

want to say, all youre doing but its not all youre doing. But youre nothaving to try, let say you dont have to try. Youre just going with this flowof perhaps, youd just like to share your story about how the two of youeven met because thats a lovely synchronicity.

Melanie: Yeah, and the path thats led you to this.


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Beryl: Yeah. I mean that was a lovely I love that because you didnt evenhave to audition Dean, did you MJ?

Dean: No.

Beryl: It was a magical story.

Melanie: She kidnapped you.

Beryl: Yeah. Share that one if you wouldnt mind.

MJ: Do I know the story? Do you want to tell the story?

Dean: Sure.

MJ: Go ahead.

Dean: Well, in a town we live in, MJ just moved from Quebec. She didntreally know many people. Were at this outdoor festival kind of thing. Itslike a famers outdoor folk fest kind of thing. And I was friends with thesound engineer there and long story short, MJ was at the front of the stage.She was doing audience participation. She had a few jam bases beside herand she got some audience members up, one on either side of her andthey were OK. They werent that great. There was a full drum set at theback of the stage and MJ was facing forward because you cant really turnaround but and so I thought, OK. Im just going to jump in and give her ahand. So, I ended up playing for ten minutes jamming on the song.

And again, she couldnt really see who was doing it because she had themic and she had to keep directing. And then I had to leave right after thatso I just left. So we never actually met.

MJ: And I have to jump in here and I have to say that I had been since I

had moved from Quebec to British Columbia, I was by myself and I waskind of rebuilding my career and nobody knew me there. And I didnt haveany musicians to play with. I didnt have any drummers. And I was prayingand I was really, really calling for a drummer, a male drummer to do thiswork with me and to travel the world and to give rebalancing musicconcerts and all of that. So I was really praying for one. And then so justso you know. OK. You could go on.


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Dean: And so we never met. And then about two months later, were bothat a chiropractic office. And I said, Hey, I know you. I weve jammedwhen youre doing your thing and

MJ: And then I lost it.

Dean: And it was like, oh.

MJ: I was totally flabbergasted. I said, Youre my drummer. And then Istarted with all the passion that I hold, I have this project and its calledChants and Drums. At the time, it was called Chants and Drums and now,were Sacred Fire. And then I said, Im looking for a drummer and I wantsomeone who is improvising all the time and its spiritual work and its

healing work and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he listened to me likethis very calm. He was very calm Dean that he is and he looked at me andthen I just said, Are you free? Are you interested? And he just looked atme and he said, Sure. And then two weeks later we were playingtogether. We did a sound healing meditation and weve never stoppedsince and weve been together since.

Beryl: And you missed a bit out there because you have been looking forhim and you knew that he played and youd been asking around, who washe and he was like, he was like this phantom drummer.

MJ: Yeah, yeah. After I got off stage and I was asking everybody and I wasasking, Did you see who was the person playing drums behind me? Andeverybody was like, No, no idea. Didnt see anybody. I said, Yeah, yeah,I heard drums. At a certain point, I thought I had just imagined, I washoping for it so much.

Beryl: Angelic presence.

MJ: He was playing the drums.

Dean: And so, it worked out because I was doing a project called Song Lifewhere I was putting together my music with spiritual teachings. So andIve actually done one of those like four years earlier, a thing called KwanYin, the goddess of love. And so, I was deciding to do this and right when Idecide to do that and get this together because normally as a drummer,


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youre always relying on the other band members to write songs and I putin many years of that and I had all the stuff inside me so I ended up going,No, Im done with that. Im just going to do my own thing and follow mypassion.

So as soon as I started writing and started creating this, we met. So the twoof us now have MJ was doing with her sound meditations and what I wasdoing with my more, a little more, I dont want to call it pop but more electricand acoustic spiritual music. And then now, were melding them together.And so, I feel very lucky.

Beryl: And when I met you, it was at that evening with you, but I rememberthinking was what a lovely blend because MJ youre very feminine andDean, youre very masculine. And it just felt like a really lovely balance

there.

MJ: Well, I had been playing percussion and seeing with women mostly. Ihave played in bands where they were dudes. And usually, musicians whomake it professionally and often drummers are men for the simple reasonthat men have more time on their hands because the women will be takingcare of the kids at home, right? Theyll be taking care of kids. So usually,its the men that make more of the career.

And so, I dont know if its for this reason but I had been working a lot withwomen, with the feminine energy and connecting with the earth becausewhen youre connecting with the earth, youre connecting with theelements, youre doing I was doing music which had spiritualconnotations I guess I would say or healing and thats usually women whoare more into this.

But I did really, really feel the calling that if my work is a rebalancing work, Ineed to be in balanced and the music needs to be in balanced and it has tohave that male/female component to it, which is great because ultimately,

now I have it in my personal and emotional and love life too. So its great.

Beryl: Perfect combination.

Melanie: Yeah.

Dean: And we feel very lucky about that. We dont take that for granted.


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Beryl: Nice.

Melanie: So what so now that both of you have been making sweetmusic together, what is the transformation for yourselves in the way youyourselves have been developing that you can share with us, thats safe toshare with us?

Dean: Well, the first thing that came to mind was trusting. When you makethose decisions like me to give up all the other music stuff and just do myown trusting after all these years like people saying, You should get aday job. You should do all this and they saying stuff. And just trusting insomething that isnt tangible like its just the trust and thats been proven tome all over and over again. And so, thats probably the biggest

transformational like believing more.

MJ: Ive had its the same for me. Ive always wanted to play music.When I was young, I remember being in front of the mirror with a hairbrushand I was on stage in front of thousands of people and I was singer. And Ialso wanted to help people and I wanted to travel. And those days, wewanted to be missionaries in Africa, if you really wanted to help peopleyoud go to.

And so, I had that dream of being music and doing music traveling, helping,healing, eventually became a healer myself and a body and mind therapistpractitioner, studied sound healing, got attuned to Reiki, opened upchannel. And then but this is all as a result of parallel to this, I washoping to be able to have that 9 to 5 job life. I was really, really trying veryhard to I was a community support worker so I was helping people. I hadthat. I was doing music on the side. It was a sideline. It was my but Ialways felt like I have this underlying kind of this yearning, I want moremusic in my life but I couldnt deal with the fact that, Oh no, I dont want tobe like a pop singer. I dont have that aspect of me.

But its when I decided, Yes, I can. I can. Its that point where I said, Yes,I can have music and earn a living and work. It blended this music in mywork and then I found my own way because Im not a music teacher. I dogive intuitive singing workshops. I sing what Im Im good at manifesting. Iteach intuitive drumming. This is what I teach. But its also self-help andenergy work at the same time.


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So blending, yes, I can do the music and I can do it and the teaching, thecommunity work and the healing and the helping aspect of it. So the threeblended together, Im complete. I feel complete. I feel like Im aligned withmy truth because Im not denying an aspect of myself. And being a veryemotional being and having suffered from a lot of trauma-related body,physical pain and emotional pain, finding ways to transform this and to shiftthis, shift the darkness into the light and bring this and share it with othersand I profoundly believe that its by sharing our gifts that we really, reallyaccomplish our missions in ourselves and what we have to share is whatwere ultimately passionate about. And this is what Dean and I share iswere both passionate about music and then the way that we both live ourmusical lives are different but for me, the result is the same.

Melanie: So youre actually living what youre sharing.

MJ: Yeah.

Melanie: And it sounds effortless. And of course, my interpretation of whatyoure sharing is enabling people to come more from the heart space. Andof course, when you can do that on a more consistent way, youre raisingyour vibration and of course, while youre raising a vibration, yourechanging your thoughts. And as you do that, youre going to be a differentperson. Youre going to be more compassionate, full of gratitude, and allthe things that bring love on to the planet.

MJ: Yeah.

Melanie: So it sounds beautiful what youre describing in yourselves.

MJ: Ultimately, when people just ask us what our goal is and we only haveone or two or three words that were allowed to say is we want to bringpeace and harmony. And so, if we help people be at peace and be in

harmony within themselves, they ultimately affect the world around them soin their family units, in their community, and then ultimately, on the plantand then in the universe. Im a dreamer.

Beryl: Oh, Im very glad that you are. We are very glad that you are. And itwould be really lovely at this point I think as were mindful of your time toask you if you would be willing to share a little bit of your voices now?


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MJ: OK.

Beryl: Would that be OK to ask you to do that for our audience?

MJ: Sure.

Dean: Sure.

MJ: This is what we do, spontaneous and improvise.

Beryl: Yeah. What is coming up for you right now at the end of thisfascinating interview? What are you tuning into? What does our audienceneed right now wherever they are and wherever theyre listening from?

MJ: Yes. So I dont know about you, what Im getting is support andguidance in order for people to really, really tune in and listen. Really listento their soul. Really listen to that voice inside that says, Thats where Imeant to be going or thats what I And so, Id like to maybe improviseon that theme about tuning in and opening up to what is. Does that soundOK?

Beryl: That sounds

Melanie: Brilliant.

Beryl: magical.

MJ: So does that sound good to you?

Dean: That sounds good, yeah.

MJ: So, well do voices only.

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Melanie: Lovely.

Beryl: That gave me goose bumps.


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Melanie: I know. It transported me somewhere. Im not quite sure if Imback yet. But it was lovely.

Beryl: Thats magical.

Melanie: Thank you.

Beryl: Guys, people are going to want to know more about you, where theycan get your CD, where they can connect with you, they can come to someof your improvisations, where is the best place for them to find you?

Dean: Our website is sacredfiremusic.com and our Facebook, were onthere.

MJ: Sacred Fire Music.

Dean: And we also have Twitter which is

MJ: Sacred Fire Music. Yeah.

Beryl: No confusion there, Sacred Fire Music.

MJ: These are on CD Baby and

Dean: Yeah, it would be great if you want to just keep in touch. You couldsign up to our newsletter that we put out about once a month.

MJ: Yeah. And we offer all sorts of experiences from very, very largeaudiences. We work at the Deepak Chopra-led Seduction of Spirit Retreatsthat are organized by the Chopra Center in the US and in Canada andelsewhere. And those we know are larger crowds and so and we aremost happy to travel the world. And we also do yoga studios, support musicfor yoga classes. And we also do ceremonies so name-givings,

celebrations of life and funerals and anniversaries. And so, people hire usfor private concerts also. So theres

Dean: And retreats. We have retreats.

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Dean: We have one coming up so you can check out our website.

MJ: Barbados.

Dean: Yeah.

Beryl: And you have a CD with David G., Great Meditation.

MJ: Yes. We are privileged and honored to be recording a CD. Its going tobe a guided meditation and music medicine CD. Its going to be a doublealbum, extremely powerful and very deep and profound and transformativewith some healing tracks also. So

Dean: And a link to his site, if you want to know more about him, is on our

website as well. So, he worked with Deepak Chopra for years.

Beryl: Well, this has been just magical. Thank you so much.

Melanie: It has been.

Beryl: It was just such a synchronicity that I should come along to thatevening and met you and here we are. So we all just trust it.

MJ:Thank you so much for inviting us. And you seem to be living your

passion and thank you for sharing and thank you for sharing your gift andyour light.

Dean: Yeah.

Beryl: Oh, thats very lovely of you to say. Thank you so much.

Dean: Youre doing service as well. So thank you so much.

Beryl: Were certainly having a lot of fun. Were having a lot of fun.

Melanie: Yes. I was certainly inspired by you today.

Beryl: We are, we are. And others will be too and thats why were here likeyourselves. We just want to offer a platform for people like yourselves to be


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