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Modeling of Long Culverts and Stormdrains A Comparison of Different Methods Shrinivas Kaulgud, P.E., CFM Cheryl Hannan, P.E., CFM, LEED AP October 12, 2017

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Page 1: Modeling of Long Culverts and Stormdrains–Steady State HEC-RAS with Lid option for pressurized pipes underestimated the floodplain and water surface elevations for long culverts

Modeling of Long Culvertsand Stormdrains

A Comparison ofDifferent MethodsShrinivas Kaulgud, P.E., CFMCheryl Hannan, P.E., CFM, LEED APOctober 12, 2017

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Presentation Outline

–Introduction

–Case Studies

–ScenarioComparisons

–Conclusions

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Introduction

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Selected models that can be used withlong culverts

–HEC-RAS with Culvert Routine–HEC-RAS with Lid Option (steady-state)–CulvertMaster–StormCAD–XP-SWMM

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Case Studies

Lateral weir with long culvertPascack Brook, RocklandCounty, NY

Long culvert with inletsNorth Branch Pine Grove Brook,Onondaga County, NY

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Case Study No. 1Lateral Weir with Long CulvertPascack Brook, Rockland County, NY

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Overview

Current FEMA floodwater elevations were modeled using HEC-RASwith a split flow. The flow going over the lateral weir enters a longculvert that was modeled using the lid option.

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Overview

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Overview

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Scenarios

1. Current FEMA Model: HEC-RAS with Lid Option2. HEC-RAS with Culvert Routine3. CulvertMaster

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Scenario 1: Current FEMA Model

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Scenario 2: HEC-RAS with Culvert Routine

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Scenario 3: CulvertMaster

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Average HW = 466.4 feet

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Culvert routine HWdepth = 464.5 feetCulvertMaster HW depth = 466.4 feet Lid option headwater depth = 462.6 feet

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Case Study No. 1: Final Thoughts

–Most accurate model could be an unsteady model–All three ways of modeling showed the flow contained in the culvert–Lid option gave the least conservative values and there are

concerns that the culvert is actually under pressure

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Case Study No. 2Long Culvert with InletsNorth Branch Pine Grove Brook, OnondagaCounty, NY

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Overview

–2,600’ stormdrain–Watershed area: 170 AC. at S. Bay Road–Effective 1% flow: 80 CFS at S. Bay Road

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Scenarios

1. Historic FEMA Study: HEC-2 (no stormdrain)

2. Current FEMA Study: HEC-RAS Lid Option

3. HEC-RAS with Culvert Routine

4. Culvert Master (stormdrain) + HEC-RAS Overland

5. StormCAD (stormdrain) + HEC-RAS Overland

6. XP-SWMM

7. XP-SWMM with Hydrology Updates

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Scenario 1: Historic Study

–Floodwater elevations were modeled using HEC-2–The stormdrain was ignored

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Scenario 2: Current FEMA Study

–Floodwater elevations were modeled using the lid option in HEC-RAS–Model shows flow is contained in the culvert

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Scenario 2: Lid Option

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–Model uses historic cross section locations and discharges–Takes into account both storage in the pipe and overland flow–Overland flow is generally located directly over the pipe–Model produces a narrow floodplain with an average depth of

less than 0.5 foot

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Scenario 2: Lid Option

Maximum depth of flow above ground was 0.3 foot at upstreamend and contained in the stormdrain at the downstream end

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Scenario 3: HEC-RAS with Culvert Routine

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–Stormdrain modeled as a regular culvert–Used the smallest diameter pipe and an average slope–Maximum depth of overland flow equal to 0.35 foot at upstream

end and 0.14 foot at downstream end

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Scenario 4: CulvertMaster + HEC-RAS

–Pipe capacity using CulvertMaster–3 pipe sizes, 3 runs–Overland flow using HEC-RAS–Overland flow = total flow – pipe capacity

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HEC-RAS Overland Model Schematic

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Scenario 4: CulvertMaster + HEC-RAS (continued)

CulvertMaster + HEC-RAS results

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Depth0' - 1'

1' - 3'

High : 3'+

Low : 3'

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–Pipe capacity usingStormCAD

–8 pipes, 9 manholes/inlets

–Overland flow usingHEC-RAS

–Overland flow =total flow – pipe capacity

Scenario 5: StormCAD + HEC-RAS

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Scenario 5: StormCAD + HEC-RAS (continued)

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StormCAD + HEC-RAS results

Depth0' - 1'

1' - 3'

High : 3'+

Low : 3'

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Scenario 6: XP-SWMM

–Stormdrain and overland flowmodeled in XP-SWMM

–Unsteady state–Tc calculations using TR-55–Modified rational flat top

hydrograph (figure below)–8 stormdrains, 2 culverts, 16

overland XSs , 5 storage nodes–At each manhole. pipes are

connected to overland cross-sections

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Scenario 6: XP-SWMM

XP-SWMM model schematic

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Scenario 6: XP-SWMM (continued)

XP SWMM results

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Depth0' - 1'

1' - 3'

High : 3'+

Low : 3'

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Scenario 7: XP-SWMM with hydrology updates

SWMM Updates: What and Why–Current FEMA flows lower than typically expected

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Location Area (ac) 1% Peak Flow (cfs) cfs /ac

At Stormdrain Inlet 50 28 0.6

At Stormdrain Outlet 145 62 0.4

At South Bay Road 170 80 0.5

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Scenario 7: XP-SWMM with hydrology updates

SWMM Updates: What and Why–S Bay Road underpass geometry setup incorrect–

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Underpass Elev. 388’

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Scenario 7: XP-SWMM with hydrology updates(continued)

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XP-SWMM with Hydrology Updates–Rational method–Watershed delineation using 5 ft LiDAR DEM–Tc calculations using TR-55–Runoff coefficient values from 0.4-0.6 (soil types C and D)–NOAA 14 IDF information–Modified rational flat top hydrograph with 15 min constant time–Typical 1% peak flow per acre values ranged from1-2 cfs/ac

S Bay Road Underpass Weir Update–S Bay Road underpass weir elevation corrected to 388’

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Scenario 7: XP-SWMM (continued)

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XP-SWMM with Hydrology Updates Results

Depth0' - 1'

1' - 3'

High : 3'+

Low : 3'

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Scenario Comparisons

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6. XP-SWMM

1. HEC-2: No Stormdrain 2. HEC-RAS Lid Option3. HEC-RAS Culvert Routine

4. CulvertMaster + HEC-RAS5. StormCAD + HEC-RAS

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Scenario / Model Comparisons

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–Steady State HEC-RAS withLid option for pressurizedpipes underestimated thefloodplain and water surfaceelevations for long culverts/stormdrain pipes

–If an engineer prefers usingthe HEC-RAS lid option forlong culvert/ stormdrains thenalternative pipe capacityanalysis should beconsidered for comparison

–CulvertMaster+HEC-RAS orStormCAD + HEC-RAScombination could be used formoderate level accuracy.

–If high accuracy is desired EPASWMM/ XP-SWMM or similarprogram should be considered

Conclusions

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Which Model Works Best?

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Thank [email protected]@aecom.com

Questions??

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