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MODELING DETAILS-SOUTHERN Reference Source: http://www.hosam.com/srr/srr.html

Southern Check Digits

08/23/98 SEMRA list

Not sure if I can make this simple but here goes:

Southern used A, F, H, J, K, L, R, T, W & X on their engines.

let us assign numbers to the above digits A=0, F=1, H=2, J=3, K=4, L=5,

R=6,T=7, W=8 AND X=9.

Take the engine number say 3971 which is an X.

Add first number to 2 times the second number plus the third number plus 2 times the fourth number.

3+(2*9)+7+(2*1)= now this won’t work if the formula is applied straight away. If any result such as (2*9) which is

18 then you use the two digits in 18 as 1+8. Now the formula becomes 3+(1+8)+7+2=21. WE are not there yet.

You subtract the answer from the next larger even number in units of 10. In this example this would be 30-21=9 OR

X.

Another example might be engine 701 which is a J. Since there are only 3 digits simply put a zero in front. This

will give 0+(2*7)+0+(2*1)= 0+(1+4)+0+(2)=7 10-7=3 which is J.

ATLAS HIGH-HOOD GP-38'S

Guys, I was just looking over one of the new Atlas GP-38HH models and I noticed a detail part that was missing

from the shell and one that some of you may want to add. The part that I'm referring to is the toilet water fill hatch

which is found on either side of the short hood of most all SOUTHERN locomotives.

Poop chute (SMRF term), part 24 in all Cannon Hi-Hood kits, look and I'll bet you didn't install them! Don't forget

the label just above them. And that's the fireman’s side of the short hood.

Referring to my SOUTHERN books and my photo collection, I see that the GP-38's (and AC’s) that had this feature

always located on the left side of the short hood. Not all my photos show this hatch so if you want to leave it off,

you can do so and still be prototypical.

GP-38 & 38AC's were usually on fireman’s side of short hood. GP-38-2's were generally on the engineers side of

short hood. Let me offer you a suggestion as to how to add this part and even how to add it to decorated models.

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Go to your favorite art or engineering supply store and purchase an engineer's drawing template....mine is made by

Template Designs, part no. TD 422.

On this template is a series of squares and one of them is the correct size for the water hatch. You may have to trim

the template to use it, but be sure to leave a square side so as to be able to line up the cuts you are about to make.

Lay the template on the short hood and scribe the outline of the square onto the model. Now drill a series of small

holes within the lines of this square and remove this portion of the plastic.

Trim the edges VERY, VERY carefully to get a tight fit and file smooth with any small files you may have on hand.

Please take your time trimming the square by cutting once, fitting twice. After you are satisfied with your fit, paint

the hatch, let dry and secure with your choice of cement. Don't forget to add a sand filler on short hood after filling

in the hole left by moving the bell to long hood end.

How about the fuel filters under the walkway on fireman’s side just after the notch?? Renumber to 2741 and you

won't have to fiddle with the fuel tanks! Renumber 2803 to 2879, add spark arresters and the "John A. Chambliss"

under fireman’s window, install the "poop chute" up a bit higher than the 2741.

And last of all don't forget to move the "F" from the short end to the long end, and turn the engineer around so he's

facing the right way. This was a retro-fit, and the as delivered units did not have this hatch. Those modeling newly

delivered units in the late 1960s and early to mid-1970s would not need this part. It appeared that Southern began

adding these in late 1970s-early 1980s time frame.

Warren Calloway

SOUTHERN CABOOSES

Let's take a stab at the Southern steel caboose.

In 1941 and '42 the Southern built a number of steel, bay-window cabooses at the Spartanburg shops from old stock

cars and drop bottom gons. These were 38' and numbered X2282-2929. They had rounded rear roof corners. From

'48-51 new all-steel bay window cabooses were built: X3139-3270. Some of these were rebuilt in '52 with welded

sides. The X6868 series -- still 38' -- was built in '51 onward.

All of these critters look 'about' the same. You can fake an Athearn the hard way or the easy way. Easy, slice the

bay-window roof to about 60 degrees, cement on a flat hunk of styrene and call it a night. You can replace the

walkways, making the floor square all around, as opposed to Athearn’s indented steps -- and apply box-style steps.

Check Walthers, somebody makes a white metal part that works with minimum filing. You can fabricate new sides

out of styrene to get the window spacing correct. SRR cabooses have four evenly spaced, even sized windows per

side, plus three in the bay. Then get one round porthole per end, cover the existing end and you're kinda close.

Microscale makes the decals on a minisheet, if memory serves.

The Walthers bay-window caboose is really a better starting place. It's closer to the right length, the bay roof is

okay, the side windows are wrong, the steps are closer, but the indent on the end platforms is wrong again.

Somebody knows better, but I think the Athearn bay is based on a SP prototype. I use it for my own road, because

it's really close to a second run of bay-window cabooses the P&LE bought. But I do pretend, er, proto-freelancing.

I love the Southern, it's Alexandria Union Station is just a mile from my driveway, but I model the NYC and it's kin

circa 63. There are reference books out there, go get'em.

Bernie Halloran

Southern Railway Subsidiary Cabooses (late-60s to late-80s)

Numbers Road Type Notes

X4-X97 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new (which numbers?)

X90 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new, rptd. S.R.

X10-X15 INT. wood cupola caboose - new (not all carried "X" after merger).

X16 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-N.&W.

X20-X21 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-DL&W. 614, 670.

X25-X35 CR&N. bay window caboose - new. (one # skipped?).

X65-X67 G&F. steel cupola caboose - new?

X70-X71 TA&G. bay window caboose - acquired 1961, ex-S.R.

X122 GAS&C. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3122?)

X153 GA.No. bay window caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3153?)

X251-X253 S&A. steel cupola caboose - new.

X255-X256 S&A. steel cupola caboose - ex-Reading (?).

X258-X259 Tenn. bay window caboose - ex-209-210, ex-S.R.

(309) A&EC. bay window caboose - retired late-60s.

X400 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Southern Iron & Equip. 6/69.

X485 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Gantt 1970.

X515 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Gantt 11-70.

X592 SR/CG. bay window caboose - new, Gantt 9-71.

X600 GS&F. bay window caboose - ex-X8543.

X2912 G&F. bay window caboose - round roof, ex-S.R.

X2919 CG. bay window caboose - round roof, ex-S.R.

X2924 A&N. bay window caboose - round roof, ex-S.R.

X3099 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R.





X3156 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18439.

X3169 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-S.R.

X3172 CG. bay window caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18441.






X6060-X6068 AGS. bay window caboose

X6895 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-NO&NE.

X6900 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-NO&NE.

X6905 G&F. bay window caboose - ex-NO&a

Information from Jerry M. LaBoda 08/20/01

WALKWAY LIGHTS

Southern Railway had walkway lights on their units. These were mounted on the side of the hood near the roof to

illuminate the locomotive's walkways and I think SR is the only railroad that used them. In the past when I was > in

Seattle I have used fairly expensive brass castings that came from a small manufacturing source. Does anyone make

these things in plastic? At a lower cost?

Alton Lanier

Details West has had these for some time now. Part #172, 8 for $1.25. You will have to fab a bracket for some

applications but in many cases just clip the post and CA to side of unit.

HOGSHEAD TOBACCO CARS

A couple of observations on the Southern Tobacco Hogsheads cars, as modeled by Ambroid and Quality Craft (is

the Quality Craft kit a re-issue of the Ambroid 1 of 5000?). The cars as delivered in 1963 were lettered in the then-

current Southern block lettering - 24" SOUTHERN, 16" road #, 12" motto "SUPER CUSHION SERVICE" in white

on a SR freight car red body.

The large "SOUTHERN" and road number were centered to left of door, the motto "super cushion service" was

centered to the right of the door, each word above the next. Over the years, these cars received all the variations of

modern era Southern freight car lettering schemes, including the "SOUTHERN gives a green light to innovations"

scheme with green inside the "O" in SOUTHERN, 1980-era "thin block lettering", post-1982 Southern "N&W-

style" rounded Gothic, and a few have actually gotten the full NS image retaining SR reporting marks. All lettering

has always been white. Car body color changed from the more reddish SR freight car red early on to a more

brownish hue by 1982.

The NS repaints got the same darker brown that is current on NS house cars. I don't know about the Quality Craft

kit, but the Ambroid car came with decals for the as-delivered scheme, along with a well-done lettering diagram. I'm

unaware of other decals for this car.

The Ambroid kit of this car is modeled with a roll-up door. This door was discarded early on as a maintenance

headache and was replaced by a plug door of Southern design that is basically flat plate with 2 stiffeners and easy

to model. All these cars were modified with the plug door by the Southern. Most still retain the green skylights also,

which are a translucent fiberglass material. These cars are universally referred to on the Southern and successor NS

as "tobacco barns".

There are about 25 or so of the hip-roof tobacco barns still in service, although changes in the tobacco industry and

the containerization of international shipping have largely taken them out of tobacco service now. The remaining

cars in this area are serving in rubber truck tire service from Goodyear in Danville, VA to points all over the US.

The 40-year FRA lifetime limit on underframes on cars in interchange service will soon sideline these interesting

and distinctive cars. If you're interested in seeing them in service, come to Danville, VA, but don't tarry, as change

happens. A few will almost always be found in the old NF&D yard east of the passenger station, which is used for

empty car holding for Goodyear. You might also get lucky and see one in your local area. I'm told a lot of traffic

from Goodyear goes through Conway, PA to points throughout the N.E. US.

Bob Graham

PASSENGER TRAIN CONSISTS

HOSAM, here’s a consist for your info. Will send some more later when I have more time.

Southerner, Train 47, New York to New Orleans, arriving

N.O., Mar 18, 1947

SOU 2802 E-6A

SOU 705 Bedford Bag-dorm-coach

SOU 806 Huntsville Coach

SOU 804 Georgia Coach

SOU 3302 Virginia Diner

SOU 801 Maryland Coach

SOU 808 Sheffield Coach

SOU 1102 Louisiana tavern Lounge Observation car

More later if you want.

Jim Murrie

Here's some more. These are from Robert Wayner's book "Passenger Train Consists 1923-1973". I got my

local library to borrow it on a inter-library loan. Mine actually came from the State Historical Society of

Wisconsin of all places! It's about 95 pages of consists. Skyland Special, Sou train 24, Jacksonville to

Asheville, departing Savannah on Mar 10, 1946:

SOU 1253 4-6-2 steam

SOU 406 Bag-Exp car

SOU 4056 Bag-Exp

SOU 697 Bag-coach

SOU 1646 Coach

SOU 1631 Coach

McCain 12 sec - 1 drawing room

Point Lay 10 sect - 2 drawing rooms

Sou 1414 Coach

---------

Crescent, train 37, New York to New Orleans, departing

Lynchburg, VA Jan 16, 1940

SOU 1395 4-6-2 steam

SOU 31 postal car

W.C.C. Claiborne bag-buffet-club car

Park Road 14 sections

Andrew Pickens 10 sec - 1 drawing room - 2dbl bed rm

SOU 3170 diner

Canonbury Tower 8 sec - 1drawing rm - 3dbl bed rm

William Davidson 8 sec - 5 dbl bd rm

Winthrop College 10 sec - 1 compart - 2 drawing rm

Zebulon B. Vance 10 sec - 2 drawing rm

Robert E Lee 3 compart - 2 draw rm - lounge observation

Tennessean, tr. 45, Washington to Memphis, departing Wash.

DC on 1/11/47

SOU 2912 E-7A

SOU 2907 E-7A

SOU 22 postal

SOU 349 Bag-exp

SOU 703 Cleveland bag-dorm-coach

SOU 1200 coach

SOU 1547 coach

SOU 904 Loudon coach

SOU 3303 Chattanooga diner

SOU 812 Charlottesville coach

SOU 807 Buntyn coach

SOU 1152 Memphis tavern-lounge-obs

James W. Sloss 12sec-1 drawing rm

Jennings 12 sec - 1 draw rm

Villa Verde 10 sec - 3 dbl br

------------------------------------

New Yorker, SOU tr. 40, Atlanta to New York, departing

Atlanta Jan 13, 1948

SOU 2914 E7A

SOU 2915 E7A

PRR 6288 bag.

N&W 134 bag-exp

SOU 272 bag-mail

PRR 7838 bag-exp

SOU 660 bag-coach

SOU 1203 coach

SOU 1005 coach

SOU 3163 diner

General Longstreet 10 sec - lounge

Robert Toombs 10sec - 2 dr rm

Lake Mitchell 10 sec -1 dr rm- 2 cmpts

----------------------------------------------

Crescent, tr 37, New York to New Orleans, departing

Washington on Apr 9, 1968

SOU 6913 E-8A

SOU 2924 E-8A

SOU 2920 E-7A

SOU 1750 Decatur bag-mail storage car

SOU 837 coach

SOU 3399 coach

SOU 3789 coach

SOU 815 coach

SOU 821 coach

SOU 2010 Rapidan River 10 rmt-6 dbr

SOU 3307 diner

SOU 2023 Warrior River 10rmt-6dbr

PRR 8355 Patapsco River 10rmt-6dbr

SOU 2353 Crescent Shores 1master room-2 dr rm-buffet-lounge

SOU 2019 Tugalo River 10rmt-6dbr

SOU Carolina Business car

SOU Virginia Business car

------------------------------------------

Southern Crescent, train1, Washington to New Orleans,

departing Atlanta 11/26/72

SOU 6903 E-8A

SOU 6912 E-8A

SOU 6904 E-8A

SOU 711 bag-dorm

SOU 816 caoch

Amtrak 5602 coach

SOU 840 coach

SOU 821 coach

SOU 2012 Saluda River 10rmt-6dbr

SOU 3400 Emory River 10rmt-6dbr

SOU 2008 Pacolet River 10rmt-6dbr

SOU Shenandoah River 10rmt-6dbr

SOU 3311 diner

SOU 1602 dome parlor car

SOU 6 business car

-------------------------------------------

That's it Sam, hope you like it. My eyes are getting kind of crossed so there may be typos. If some car doesn't

match a name or number you have we can try to sort it out. Jim Murrie

RS3 MARKER LAMPS

03/06/01

Guys, Now that we've picked up more list members since I asked this question earlier, I'd now like to see if someone

new can answer my question for me. I'd like to know how the class lights work on an RS-3 locomotive. Are there

three colored lenses on each fixture or are the three lenses clear and are turned on the fixture to display the proper

train class??

Thanks for your help,

Bob Harpe

03/06/01

I too have "longed" to know about these class lights and especially the colors. From my research, this is what I have

found.

A few years back I bought a book titled SIGNAL LIGHTS by David Dreimiller and for the life of me cannot

remember how or where I got it. Anyway, on page 61 a section begins on Pyle National Electric Marker Lamps and

continues with Classification Lamps. These lamps look like the little class lights found on RS-3, S-2's and other

early generation diesels of Southern.

The book indicates the lamps were electric and have four lenses which are held in by rubber gaskets. The "ball

shaped" fixture holding the lenses is secured by a small hold-down bolt. The bolt passes through this fixture

downward to the electric base socket (which is how it's mounted to the hood.) "Color changes were made by

loosening this bolt and rotating the top assembly."

Now comes the confusing part. On one page a caption under a picture reads "… lamp shown here is fitted with

green and red lenses". On the next page, the text continues "Classification lamps were attached to the front of the

locomotive. Most classification lamps provided only two indications, one to the front and one to the side. Although

most featured some method of changing the color of the lenses displayed, the standard colors used were white and

green."

It continues further with "As with marker lamps, the combination of lenses displayed was dependent on the purpose

of the train and was dictated by the railroad's rule book. For example, extra trains typically displayed classification

lamps showing white lenses to both the front and the side”.

As I said, this is confusing as to what color should be modeled. This hasn't really answered the question, and is

probably more than anyone wanted to know (or read) about this. I'd appreciate more info on this

as I'm modeling the late '50's in what I call the "green years" and love them RS-3's!!! On Geeps, I'm just using clear

or white lenses as that is what it looks like in all pictures.

Mike Garber

03/07/01

Found a close up shot of a Southern/CNO&TP RS3. Marker definitely has three lens. Will make print and scan.

Also had some small levers/handles used the change the color of the marker.

Warren Calloway

"F" Unit Horns 1950-60's

06/16/01 SMRF list

I looked over a large number of photos and slides I have of Southern F's in service today. All I have looked at so far

through the late 70's have some reversed chimes in their five chime Nathan horn cluster. The SR F-unit pictures

with all five chimes pointing forward were taken in the 80's of the four final FP7's used in excursion and office car

train service. In the early 80's these four FP7's had their horns changed from the original cord operated straight

pneumatic horn system to the sander-type switch operated electro-pneumatic system used on most later SR road

switchers. Possibly this may have been when the chimes may have been reconfigured all facing forward or possibly

replaced with a new horn cluster with all chimes facing forward.

Ben Lee

GP7 Fuel Tank Data

ROA

D #

FIRS

T # OWNER

AS

BUIL

T

Mid

1950s

197

2

CA

P

S/G D/B WATE

R NOTES O/N B/N B/D

8210

-

8213

8210-

8213 GS&F

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal.

YE

S NO

1040

gal

606

8

10984

-

10987

May-

50

8216 106 CG 1200

gal

1200

gal

120

0

gal.

NO NO 500

4 12068

Jul-

50

107 CG 1200

gal

1200

gal

120

0

gal

NO NO

Retired

prior to

8200-

series

number

assignmen

t.

500

4 12069

Jul-

50

8217-

8220

120-

123 CG

1100

gal

1100

gal

110

0

gal.

YE

S NO

1100

gal

Air tanks

on roof

505

9

9661-

9663

May-

51

8221-

8229

124-

132 CG

1200

gal

1200

gal

120

0

gal.

NO NO 511

8

14479

-

14488

04/51

-

05/51

8230 406 A&EC 800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

629

9 14571

May-

51

8231-

8234

701-

704 G&F

1200

gal

1200

gal

120

0

gal.

NO NO 606

9

11091

-

11094

Sep-

50

705-

706 G&F

1200

gal

1200

gal

120

0

gal

NO NO

Retired

prior to

8200-

series

number

assignmen

t.

606

9

11095

-

11096

Sep-

50

8235-

8236

705-

707 TA&G

1200

gal

1200

gal

120

0

gal.

NO NO 630

3

14569

-

14570

Apr-

51

8237 708 TA&G 1200g

al

1200g

al

120

0

gal.

NO NO 630

3 14740

Aug-

51

8238-

8244

2063-

2069 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

648

5

17675

-

17681

Jan-

53

8245 2070 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

150

0

gal.

NO NO

Modified

capacity

at Spencer

648

5 17682

Jan-

53

8246 2071 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

648

5 17683

Jan-

53

2072 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

Retired

prior to

8200-

series

number

assignmen

t.

648

5 17684

Jan-

53

8247-

8248

2073-

2074 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

648

5

17685

-

17686

Jan-

53

2075 SOU 800

gal

1600

gal

160

0

gal.

NO NO

Modified

capy at

Spencer-

Ret prior

to 8200-

series #s

648

5 17687

Jan-

53

8249-

8250

2076-

2077 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

648

5

17688

-

17689

Jan-

53

8251-

8260

2156-

2165 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal.

YE

S NO

1040

gal

2159,

2161,

2164 have

800

gallons

water

capacity

507

8

13460

-

13469

Apr-

51

8261 2166 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

511

7 13470

Jun-

51

2167 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

Retired

prior to

8200-

series

511

7 13471

Jun-

51

number

assignmen

t.

8262-

8269

2168-

2173 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

511

7

13472

-

13477

Jun-

51

8269 2174 SOU 800

gal

1500

gal

800

gal NO NO

Modified

capacity

at Spencer

511

7 13478

Jun-

51

8269 2175 SOU 800

gal

1500

gal

150

0

gal.

NO NO

Modified

capacity

at Spencer

511

7 13479

Jun-

51

8270 2176 SOU 800

gal

1500

gal

800

gal NO NO

Modified

capacity

at Spencer

511

7 13480

Jun-

51

8271 2177 SOU 800

gal

1500

gal

150

0

gal.

NO NO

Modified

capacity

at Spencer

511

7 13481

Jun-

51

8272-

8273

2178-

2179 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

511

7

13482

-

13483

Jul-

51

8274 2180 SOU 800

gal

1500

gal

800

gal. NO NO

Modified

capacity

at Spencer

511

7 13484

May-

51

8275-

8277

2181-

2183 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

144

0

gal.

NO YE

S

MOD

1967-RC

Master

520

8

16501

-

16503

Sep-

52

2184 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

144

0

gal.

NO YE

S

MOD

1967-RC

Master-

Retired

prior to

8200

series #s

520

8 16504

Sep-

52

8278 2185 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

144

0

gal.

NO YE

S

MOD

1967-RC

Master

520

8 16505

Sep-

52

2186 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

144

0

gal.

NO YE

S

MOD

1967-RC

Master-

Retired

prior to

520

8 16506

Sep-

52

8200

series #s

8279-

8285

2187-

2189 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

144

0

gal.

NO YE

S

MOD

1967-RC

Master

520

8

16507

-

16509

Sep-

52

8282-

8285

2190-

2193 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal NO

YE

S

520

8

16510

-

16513

Sep-

52

2194 SOU 800

gal

800

gal

800

gal NO

YE

S

Retired

prior to

8200-

series

number

assignmen

t.

520

8 16514

Sep-

52

8286-

8287

2195-

2196 SOU

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal NO

YE

S

520

8

16515

-

16516

Sep-

52

8288 2197 NO&NE 800

gal

800

gal

800

gal. NO NO

648

5 17674

Jan-

53

6200-

6201

CNO&T

P

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal

YE

S NO 800 gal

Retired

prior to

8200-

series

number

assignmen

t.

603

2

10146

-

10147

Apr-

50

8289-

8290

6202-

6203

CNO&T

P

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal.

YE

S NO 800 gal

603

2

10148

-

10149

Apr-

50

8291-

8292

6204-

6205

CNO&T

P

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal.

YE

S NO 800 gal

603

2

10977

-

10978

Apr-

50

8293-

8297

6240-

6244

CNO&T

P

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal

YE

S NO 800 gal

649

0

17669

-

17673

Jan-

53

8298-

8299

6540-

6541 AGS

800

gal

800

gal

800

gal

YE

S NO 800 gal

606

7

10979

-

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SOUTHERN PASSENGER TRAINS from the April 30, 1967 SRWY timetable w/E8 #6908 on cover

THE CRESCENT Daily

#37 Southbound #38 Northbound

From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H

From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR

From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOU

From Atlanta, Ga. to Montgomery, Al. via the WPR

From Montgomery, AL. to New Orleans via the L&N

THE SOUTHERNER Daily

#47 Southbound 348 Northbound



From DC to New Orleans via the SOU

THE PEACH QUEEN Daily




From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOU

THE PIEDMONT LIMITED Daily

#35 Southbound 334 Northbound



From DC to Salisbury, Nc. via the SOU

THE ASHEVILLE SPECIAL Twice Daily

#37-15 & 47-15 Southbound #16-38 Northbound



From DC to Asheville, Nc. via the SOU

THE CAROLINA SPECIAL

Daily #1-28(SC train)1-28-22(NC Train)

Southbound #27-2(NC Train) &

#21-27-2(SC Train) Northbound

From Chicago, Il. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the NYC

From Chicago, Il. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the PRR

From Detroit to Toledo, Oh. via the C&O

From Toledo, Oh. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the B&O

From Cincinnati, Oh. to Coloumbia, SC via the SRR(SC train)

From Asheville, NC to Greensboro, Nc. via the SRR(NC train)

THE BIRMINGHAM SPECIAL Daily



From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU

From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W

From Bristol, Tn. to Birmingham, Al. via the SOU

THE PELICAN Daily #41 Southbound #42 Northbound





From Bristol, Tn. to Meridian, Ms. via the SOU

From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the IC

From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans via the SOU

THE PELICAN-TENNESSEAN Daily

#41-45 Southbound #46-42 Northbound





From Bristol, Tn. to Memphis, Tn. via the SOU

CENTRAL of GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily

#20-9 Southbound #10-19 Northbound

From Atlanta, Ga. to Albany, Ga. via the C of GA

From Albany, Ga. to Jacksonville, Fl. via the ACL

CENTRAL OF GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily


From Atlanta, Ga. to Savannah, Ga via the Cof GA

Data for the Queen & Crescent

is from the April, 1947 SRR timetable

Cincinnati was known as the Queen City

New Orleans was known as the Crescent City

THE QUEEN & CRESCENT Daily Trains

#1, 3 Southbound, Trains #2, 4 Northbound

From Cincinnati, Oh. to Meridian, Ms. via the SRR

From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the ICRR

From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans, La. via the SRR

THE "CRESCENT LIMITED

The "Crescent Limited" an all Pullman, extra fare train from New York to New Orleans was begun on April 26,

1925. Pulled by the Ps4 Pacific No 1372, which was painted standard black but specially lettered for the "Crescent

Limited"(photo in "Steel Steam and Limited’s" page 162). The President of the Southern, Fairfax Harrison, ordered

the all Ps4's painted green, after returning from a vacation in England in 1925. The remainder of the Ps4's were

delivered from the manufacturer in green.

In 1929 the Pullman company delivered the two-color green cars, before this the Pullmans were the standard

"Pullman Green". The exteriors of the cars are painted in two shades of green. The sides of the cars up to the

window sills and the panels above the windows are painted Virginia Green, the shade which Southern Railway

passenger locomotives are painted. The panels between the windows are in a lighter shade. All the cars are lettered

"Crescent Limited" in gold leaf in the upper panels.

Each train includes one club car; one 8-section, 2 compartment, 1-drawing room sleeping car; one 14-section car;

four 10-section, 2-drawing room cars; (2) one 3-compartment, 2-drawing room observation car. Southern Railway

postal car is handled between Washington and Atlanta and dining car between Monroe and Atlanta, making the

maximum consist ten cars between Monroe and Atlanta. (3) The Southern Railway cars are painted just as the

Pullman cars with the exception that the word "Southern" is painted at the ends of the upper panels in place of the

word "Pullman."

This train operated as such till 1934 when the name was dropped. The train was renamed 37 & 38 and operated with

coaches till 1938. The Southern renamed the train "Crescent" at this time and operated it till 1979. At this time it

was transferred to AMTRAK.

THE QUEEN & CRESCENT LIMITEDS

The "Queen & Crescent Limited", an all Pullman, extra fare train from Cincinnati to New Orleans, was

begun on May 1, 1926. This train was similar to the "Crescent Limited" except routing.

System Divisions and Lines

This information from the January 1946 timetable

EASTERN SYSTEM

Charleston Division

Charleston and Columbia

Charleston, Branchville and Augusta

Kingville, Rock Hill and Marion

Charlotte Division

Charlotte and Atlanta

Toccoa and Elberton--Lula and Athens

Columbia Division

Columbia, Savannah and Jacksonville

Columbia and Spartanburg

Lockhart Junction and Lockhart

Columbia and Greenville

Danville Division

Monroe and Spencer

Greensboro and Goldsboro

Richmond Division

Richmond and Danville

Norfolk and Danville

Washington Division

Washington and Monroe

Winston-Salem Division

Greensboro and Winston-Salem

Winston-Salem and Charlotte

Winston-Salem and North Wilkesboro

Charlotte and Statesville

CENTRAL SYSTEM

Appalachia Division

Bulls Gap and Rogersville

Asheville Division

Asheville and Spartanburg

Salisbury and Asheville

Asheville and Murphy

Atlanta Division

Atlanta and Austell

Atlanta, Austell and Chattanooga

Atlanta and Macon

Atlanta, Macon and Brunswick

Atlanta and Columbia..Williamson

Williamson and Fort Valley

Cochran and Hawkinsville

Rome and Attalla

Knoxville Division

Asheville, Knoxville and Oakdale

Knoxville, Clinton and Fonde

Corryton and Cumberland Gap

Knoxville & Augusta Division

Knoxville and Maryville

Memphis Division

Chattanooga and Memphis

Sheffield and Florence

WESTERN SYSTEM

Birmingham Division

Atlanta and Birmingham

Birmingham and Columbus, Ms.

Sheffield, Paris and Birmingham

Louisville Division

Louisville and Danville

Mobile Division

Birmingham, Wilton, Selma and Mobile

Rome, Anniston, Selma and York

Selma, Marion Junction and Akron

St. Louis Division

Louisville and St. Louis

SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM LINES

Alabama Great Southern Railroad

Chattanooga and Meridian

Baltimore Steam Packet Company

Baltimore and Norfolk Service

Blue Ridge Railway

Carolina & Northwestern Railway

Cincinnati, New Orleans & Texas Pacific

Cincinnati and Chattanooga

Danville & Western Railway

Georgia Southern & Florida Railway

Macon and Jacksonville

Valdosta and Palatka

Louisville & New Corydon Railroad

New Orleans & Northeastern Railroad

Meridian and New Orleans

Tallulah Falls Railway

Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad

Subsidiary Companies

Operating Railroads and Terminals

Class I

The Alabama Great Southern Railroad Company

Central of Georgia Railroad Company

The Cincinnati, New Orleans and Texas Pacific Railway Company

Class II

Georgia Southern and Florida Railway Company

Norfolk Southern Railway Company

Class III

Atlantic and East Carolina Railway Company

Birmingham Terminal Company

Camp Lejeune Railroad Company

Chattanooga Station Company

The Georgia Northern Railway Company

Interstate Railroad Company

Live Oak, Perry and South Georgia Company Railway Company

Louisiana Southern Railway Company

New Orleans Terminal Company

St. Johns River Terminal Company

State University Railroad Company (54%)

Tennessee, Alabama & Georgia Railway Company

Tennessee Railway Company

Other Companies owned or controlled by the SRR

Airforce Pipeline, Inc.

Arrowood-Southern Company

Arrowood Southern Executive Park, Inc.

The Atlanta and Charlotte Air Line Railway Company

Atlanta Terminal Company

Blue Ridge Railway Company

Charlotte-Southern Corporation

Chattanooga Terminal Railway Company

Citico Realty Company

Danville and Western Railway Atlantic and North Carolina

Durham and South Carolina Railroad Company

Elberton Southern Railway Company

The Georgia Midland Railway

High Point, Randleman, Asheboro and Southern Railroad Company (86%)

Lenoir Car Works

Macon Terminal Company

Memphis and Charleston Railway Company

Mobile and Birmingham Railroad Company (78%)

The National Investment Company

Norfolk Southern Industrial Development Corp.

The North Carolina Midland Railroad Company (97%)

Ocean Steamship Company of Savannah

Southern Rail Terminals, Inc.

Southern Rail Terminals of Alabama, Inc.

Southern Railway-Carolina Division

Southern Region Coal Transport, Inc

Southern Region Distribution Services, Inc.

Southern Region Industrial Realty, Inc.

Southern Region Investment Company

Southern Region Materials Supply, Inc.

Southern Region Motor Transport, Inc.

South Western Rail Road Company (98%)

Terminal Properties, Inc.

Transylvania Railroad Company (97%)

Virginia and Southwestern Railway Company

Yadkin Railroad Company (74%)

NOTE: CONTROL 100% OR AS INDICATED

Participating Ownership In Other Companies

Not Included In Consolidated Reporting

Algers, Winslow and Western Railway Company

Arrowood Corporate Center Associates

Atlantic and North Carolina Railroad Company

Augusta and Summerville Railroad Company

Beaver Street Tower Company

Central Transfer Railway and Storage Company

Chatham Terminal Company

Chattanooga Choo-Choo Company

The Cincinnati Union Terminal Company

l575 Eye Street Associates

Fruit Growers Express Company

Kentucky & Indiana Terminal Railroad Company

Norfolk and Portsmouth Belt Line Railroad Company

The North Carolina Railroad Company

North Charleston Terminal Company

Pullman Company

Queen City Developers

Richmond, Fredericksburg and Potomac Railroad Company

Richmond-Washington Company

7000 North Fairfax Street Limited Partnership

Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis

Trailer Train Company

Woodstock & Blocton Railway Company

Railroads Leased and Operated-Not Owned

Cincinnati Southern Railway

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