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Minimizing RFI and Noise Or…. How to enjoy radio while living in the Burbs...

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Minimizing RFI and Noise. Or…. How to enjoy radio while living in the Burbs. Disclaimer. I will refer to others work in this presentation. If I misrepresent or corrupt their ideas it is solely my failure. Why Do This?...Reasons Du Jour. Subdivisions allow smaller antenna footprints-More RFI - PowerPoint PPT Presentation

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Page 1: Minimizing RFI and Noise

Minimizing RFI and Noise

Or….

How to enjoy radio while living in the Burbs...

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Disclaimer

I will refer to others work in this presentation. If I misrepresent or corrupt their ideas it is solely my

failure.

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Why Do This?...Reasons Du Jour

• Subdivisions allow smaller antenna footprints-More RFI

• Houses closer together-More RFI and Noise

• Antenna closer to many neighbors

• Modern life is replete with new devices

• Want to work DX or weak signals with low or compromise antennas

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I believe that:

• The single biggest reason for HF Dropouts is RFI and its affects on families/neighbors.

• How can a Ham enjoy doing radio if the family cannot watch TV?

• How can one operate in good conscience if the computer speakers are screaming while operating?

• How much info is available to help?

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Natural Organization

• 1st Eliminate effects of transmitters on appliances in your home and the neighbors while simultaneously reducing CM noise propagating to your receiver

• Then improve your receiving environment by reducing or eliminating local sources

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What is Common Mode?

Is there a perfect Common Mode Choke?

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RFI Elimination

• Antenna Placement

• Transmission line treatment

• Station Interconnects

• Other Household devices-what to do if the above treatments don’t cure everything

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Antenna Placement

• The farther the better

• At least 50 feet from your home

• Barring remote installation: choke everything

• Even if you can get 50 feet-choke everything (Received noise redux)

• By everything I mean everything

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Complete Cookbook Treatment

http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf

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Transmission line treatments

• Noise from your home travels by common mode to your antenna and then by transmission line mode into your receiver

• This creates increased noise in your receiver

• RFI caused by the antennas near field travels to your home via common mode

• This makes TVI/RFI

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2nd Generation Feedline

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More 2nd Gen

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QRO Choke Impedance Sweep

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Some early examples of feedline chokes

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More Examples

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More Early Experiments

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Cable Treatments

• Common Mode impedance is difficult to anticipate-average impedance seen by a conductor may be in the range of 400-700 ohms

• Chuck recommends a minimum impedance of 1000 ohms for any CM choke (see his write-up)

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Cable Treatments

• All lines running to and from the antenna must be choked

• This includes rotor, switching, secondary coax runs (like to vhf) etc.

• All cables MUST be choked at multiple places along the run

• I choke every 12 feet with at least a 1K ohm choke

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A Word about Ferrite Material

• I have been using Mix 43

• Since the material in W1HIS paper was written a new Mix 31 material is available with a better low frequency performance

• I have begun using Mix 31 wherever I can

• Loads of surplus outlets for mix 43-Mix 31 not so much

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Station Interconnects

• Same rules apply: 1 K ohm on all cables

• I tend to err on the conservative side: more is better with ferrite material

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Other “Inside” RFI-From Xmit to device

• TV Sets• Stereo• Internet Appliances• STB/DVR etc.

• Ferrite at 1K ohm per line and cover all lines to and from the affected device. In the case of speaker leads I do both ends

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So Far we have discussed:

RFI from your transmitting device into your appliances and to some

degree, reduction of received noise

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Part Two: How to find and eliminate noise from your home

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First Steps

• I know-resetting all of those digital clocks is a pain! But if you want to know how good it can be you must shut down your main breakers

• It helps to have a battery rig but if you don’t then leave a single branch on and CM Choke an extension cord from the wall outlet to your rig

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How Bad is your environment?

• Set radio to AM Mode, Wide as it goes, pick a band and read S Meter

• Turn off house power

• Repeat tests

• The noise that is in your control is the difference in S Meter results

• Switching noise shows up as birdie like signals-it add to background but is discrete

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Self generated noise is loud!

• Most modern homes have a plethora of switching supplies and other noise makers

• DVR, STB, Routers, Toothbrush chargers, water bed heaters, DC Drive appliances like washers and dryers, almost anything using a wall wart, low voltage lighting are all major contributors.

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So how do I find it?

• Shut down AC to see and hear what is possible

• Re-power your home and use a B Field Receiving Loop to hunt each noisy device and quell them one at a time

• Remember-1K Ohm minimum

• Retest with B Field Loop

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Some Ferrite Winding Guidelines

• When winding chokes; more is not always better

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Drastic Measures

• Sometimes both transmission line filtering and common mode chokes are required

• In my home I found that direct connect switching supplies as are found in DVR’s, STB’s and FIOS battery chargers, as well as low voltage lamps required line filtering and CM choking

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Line Filter Source

• http://www.hosfelt.com/en-us/dept_572.html#item_1706 (35 cents each)

• 3 Amp units

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To Summarize

• Eliminate RFI by CM Choking Transmission Lines-also reduces Rcvd Noise

• CM your interconnects at the station

• Eliminate any appliance RFI by CM Choking

• ID and eliminate local sources

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Some Interesting Notes

All is not what it seems...

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My Hardest Lessons Learned

• RF is a lot like bugs. If you see one it is likely to be EVERYWHERE!

• Difficulty in making balanced measures with a unbalanced tool

• Taking proper care with test setups

• Repeating tests to insure consistent results

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My Testing Setup

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Front View of Test Setup

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Recognize this?

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That was a pretty good choke

Before it was put into a metal box

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Back to my hardest lessons

• For anyone doubting the effects of stray capacitance-have a look at the common mode measurement of that commercial choke

• The effects of stray capacitance and what it does to high frequencies is awesome

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Bad Commercial Choke

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Better Home Made Choke

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Better Home Made Choke

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Dispelling a Myth

• Intelligent sounding documents floating around the internet and presented at DX Conventions suggest CM Chokes are bad in Balanced Line Environments

• Nonsense!

• I undertook to measure Balanced CM Chokes under stress

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Testing Balanced Chokes

• If a choke is going to fail due to the balanced fields leakage into ferrite material they would fail by increased temperatures

• Did my temps go up? Yes a little but only after pumping 500 watts continuous through a choke sized for 200 watts and then only a little

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Temperature Measures

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Making a B Field Loop

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B Field Sniffing Loop

• It should be noted that Chuck uses his loop with a receiver that has an S Meter.

• I could not find one but have found it to be very useful in spite of the lack of a meter

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Thanks!

Questions?