merger faces doubts

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BETTERS SLAMMING APATHY AND IGNORANCE Sir - I received recently, as did all other members of the Institution, notification of 19 meetings to be held in the various Regions in the country. The subject of the meetings was 'The Future of your Institution 1 and the Principal Officers were to put forward the rationale for the proposals. One: to change the name of the Institution and, two: to consider a merger with the Institution of Electrical Engineers; both proposals of vital concern to the Institution membership. These meet- ings were an opportunity for members to hear the case for and against and for the Principal Officers to hear the views of the membership. On 19 February, I attended the meeting for the Midland Region. The total membership of the Midland Region is 2585, deduct the 590 members of the Coventry Section who were invited to a separate meeting and we are left with 1995 members who were asked to "please play your part in the development of your Institution by attending one of these meetings". In the event the attendance at the meeting was in the region of 30, including quite a few committee members. That leaves 1965, some admittedly unable to attend, but a very large proportion apparently uninteres- ted in the Institution's future. Of those in this figure who are corporate members and entitled to vote, how many will have a full appreciation of the pros and cons of the two proposals? When the time comes will they either not bother to vote, or be unable to do so on a balanced judgement arising from a full appreciation of the ramifications of the proposals? One member attending the meeting said at the end that he had come totally opposed to both proposals but, having listened to the arguments, was going away with his views completely reversed. We constantly hear of the dissatis- faction of the professional engineer with his lack of recognition in our society and yet, when the opportunity occurs to do something about it, there is insufficient interest to act. Yes, I believe the decisions on our future could fundamentally alter our long term status. The ultimate must surely be one Society of Engineers, possibly prefixed by the word Royal, embracing the diverse disciplines in engineering but capable of speaking with one voice. A body similar in authority to those enjoyed by the medical and law professions. Then perhaps we may realise the status about which we are all so concerned. The considered merger with the IEE could form the first step in this direction, with the possibility of the Mechanicals following suit to form a combined engineering institution of something in the region of 200 000 members, surely a body to be reckoned with and worth fighting for. On the poor showing and with the apparent lack of interest of our own members it makes me wonder if we deserve to be a part of the potentially dynamic future of our great profes- sion; so vital to the survival of our country if it is to play a full part in Europe and the World in the years ahead. Joe Reeve Past President 87 Silhill Hall Road Solihull West Midlands B911JT MERGER FACES DOUBTS Sir - The Irish Section Committee of Production Engineers does not fully understand the reasons for the Institution to merge with the Institu- tion of Electrical Engineers. The rationale for the merger is not clear from all the documentation issued to date. We therefore assume that it is for economical and growth reasons. The other major concern is how can production trained and qualified engineers call themselves electrical engineers. We have listened to the discussions concerning the intentions of the manufacturing section of the electrical engineers and the argu- ments that more and more production engineers are becoming involved in the electro-mechanical and electro- nics process. Our experience in Ireland is that when you evaluate the work per- formed by the production engineer in the electronics industry it is in the production, mechanical, industrial and manufacturing engineering func- tions. Therefore, we would appreciate other members' comments and views. Brian H Southam Hon Secretary of Irish Section THE HOARY CHESTNUT OF STATUS Sir - It is ironic that the United Kingdom, cradle of the Industrial Revolution, is perhaps the only country in the world where engineers enjoy a relatively low professional status. In both Latin America - where I was born and brought up - and Continental Europe - where I have worked for the last three years - the engineer ranks alongside medical doctors and lawyers as the most respected professional, and often ends his career not as a shopfloor supervisor but sitting on a Board of Directors. A few years ago, the French magazine L'Express dedicated an article to the engineering profession, whose title read, if memory doesn't fail me, something like 'That privi- leged profession'. The high esteem enjoyed by engineers in foreign countries is even more ironic if one considers that, in many of these nations, it is enough to hold a university accredited degree to be accepted as a professional engi- neer. Thus, foreign engineers are often what we would call engineering graduates in the UK and not Institution-affiliated members. Few nations have institutions such as the IProdE (let alone single, powerful, amalgamated Engineering Institu- tions), and foreigners are often bemused to hear that, after obtaining a BEng or a BSc, a Briton must also be awarded the equivalent of an MIProdE to be recognised as a professional engineer. Beyond the channel, formal accreditation often ends with the degree, ie one step before what happens in the UK. Yet, engineers (or, rather, engineering graduates), are better regarded than in this country. Why is this so? The reason, to my view, lies largely in a problem of semantics and cultural background. To a German, a Frenchman, a Spaniard or an American, the word engineer is associated with large and prestigious projects. To a foreigner, an engineer is by definition somebody who has followed at least an engineering education of degree standard or equivalent, in the same sense in which a Briton understands a lawyer or a doctor. The difference between graduates and diplomats is perceived in a way similar to that which exists between officers and NCOs. To a Briton, the word engineer means everything and nothing. In this country, the common use of the word covers professors, graduates, per- sons having followed technical trades, or even simply anybody who repairs anything. Thus, Frenchmen are impressed to hear that the British don't have their cars serviced by mechanics but by motor engineers, and that household goods are main- tained by legions of TV engineers, radio engineers, etc. Of course, technicians and quali- fied tradesmen deserve recognition, but the indiscriminate use of the word engineer makes it difficult to distin- guish between different (not neces- sarily inferior) levels of skill. In the foreign countries where I have lived, the term engineer is a title often protected by law and, in any case, used to describe a very specific type of professional. In the UK, the permissiveness of the language helps to perpetuate the image of the engineer as somebody associated with nuts, bolts and spanners. The IProdE and its sister institu- tions could do a great service to the profession and to the English lan- guage. They should produce a clear and unambiguous definition of the title engineer and strive to get the general public familiar with it. After all, not only foreign-speakers but Americans (who use more or less the same language) consider the word a protected term. M E Rodriguez GMIProdE Fritz Courvoisier 4 2300 La Chaux-de-Fonds Switzerland The Editor reserves the right to shorten letters. Send to: The Editor Manufacturing Engineer Rochester House 66 Little Ealing Lane London W54XX or Fax to 01-579 2244 MANUFACTURING ENGINEER APRIL 1990

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BETTERSSLAMMING APATHY AND IGNORANCESir - I received recently, as did allother members of the Institution,notification of 19 meetings to be heldin the various Regions in the country.The subject of the meetings was 'TheFuture of your Institution1 and thePrincipal Officers were to put forwardthe rationale for the proposals. One: tochange the name of the Institutionand, two: to consider a merger withthe Institution of Electrical Engineers;both proposals of vital concern to theInstitution membership. These meet-ings were an opportunity for membersto hear the case for and against andfor the Principal Officers to hear theviews of the membership.

On 19 February, I attended themeeting for the Midland Region. Thetotal membership of the MidlandRegion is 2585, deduct the 590members of the Coventry Section whowere invited to a separate meeting

and we are left with 1995 memberswho were asked to "please play yourpart in the development of yourInstitution by attending one of thesemeetings".

In the event the attendance at themeeting was in the region of 30,including quite a few committeemembers. That leaves 1965, someadmittedly unable to attend, but a verylarge proportion apparently uninteres-ted in the Institution's future.

Of those in this figure who arecorporate members and entitled tovote, how many will have a fullappreciation of the pros and cons ofthe two proposals? When the timecomes will they either not bother tovote, or be unable to do so on abalanced judgement arising from afull appreciation of the ramifications ofthe proposals? One memberattending the meeting said at the end

that he had come totally opposed toboth proposals but, having listened tothe arguments, was going away withhis views completely reversed.

We constantly hear of the dissatis-faction of the professional engineerwith his lack of recognition in oursociety and yet, when the opportunityoccurs to do something about it, thereis insufficient interest to act.

Yes, I believe the decisions on ourfuture could fundamentally alter ourlong term status. The ultimate mustsurely be one Society of Engineers,possibly prefixed by the word Royal,embracing the diverse disciplines inengineering but capable of speakingwith one voice. A body similar inauthority to those enjoyed by themedical and law professions. Thenperhaps we may realise the statusabout which we are all so concerned.

The considered merger with the

IEE could form the first step in thisdirection, with the possibility of theMechanicals following suit to form acombined engineering institution ofsomething in the region of 200 000members, surely a body to bereckoned with and worth fighting for.

On the poor showing and with theapparent lack of interest of our ownmembers it makes me wonder if wedeserve to be a part of the potentiallydynamic future of our great profes-sion; so vital to the survival of ourcountry if it is to play a full part inEurope and the World in the yearsahead.

Joe ReevePast President

87 Silhill Hall RoadSolihull

West MidlandsB911JT

MERGERFACESDOUBTS

Sir - The Irish Section Committee ofProduction Engineers does not fullyunderstand the reasons for theInstitution to merge with the Institu-tion of Electrical Engineers.

The rationale for the merger is notclear from all the documentationissued to date. We therefore assumethat it is for economical and growthreasons.

The other major concern is howcan production trained and qualifiedengineers call themselves electricalengineers. We have listened to thediscussions concerning the intentionsof the manufacturing section of theelectrical engineers and the argu-ments that more and more productionengineers are becoming involved inthe electro-mechanical and electro-nics process.

Our experience in Ireland is thatwhen you evaluate the work per-formed by the production engineer inthe electronics industry it is in theproduction, mechanical, industrialand manufacturing engineering func-tions.

Therefore, we would appreciateother members' comments and views.

Brian H SouthamHon Secretary of Irish Section

THE HOARY CHESTNUT OF STATUSSir - It is ironic that the UnitedKingdom, cradle of the IndustrialRevolution, is perhaps the onlycountry in the world where engineersenjoy a relatively low professionalstatus. In both Latin America - whereI was born and brought up - andContinental Europe - where I haveworked for the last three years - theengineer ranks alongside medicaldoctors and lawyers as the mostrespected professional, and oftenends his career not as a shopfloorsupervisor but sitting on a Board ofDirectors. A few years ago, the Frenchmagazine L'Express dedicated anarticle to the engineering profession,whose title read, if memory doesn'tfail me, something like 'That privi-leged profession'.

The high esteem enjoyed byengineers in foreign countries is evenmore ironic if one considers that, inmany of these nations, it is enough tohold a university accredited degree tobe accepted as a professional engi-neer. Thus, foreign engineers areoften what we would call engineeringgraduates in the UK and notInstitution-affiliated members. Fewnations have institutions such as theIProdE (let alone single, powerful,amalgamated Engineering Institu-tions), and foreigners are oftenbemused to hear that, after obtaininga BEng or a BSc, a Briton must also beawarded the equivalent of an MIProdEto be recognised as a professionalengineer. Beyond the channel, formal

accreditation often ends with thedegree, ie one step before whathappens in the UK. Yet, engineers (or,rather, engineering graduates), arebetter regarded than in this country.

Why is this so? The reason, to myview, lies largely in a problem ofsemantics and cultural background.To a German, a Frenchman, aSpaniard or an American, the wordengineer is associated with large andprestigious projects. To a foreigner,an engineer is by definition somebodywho has followed at least anengineering education of degreestandard or equivalent, in the samesense in which a Briton understands alawyer or a doctor. The differencebetween graduates and diplomats isperceived in a way similar to thatwhich exists between officers andNCOs.

To a Briton, the word engineermeans everything and nothing. In thiscountry, the common use of the wordcovers professors, graduates, per-sons having followed technical trades,or even simply anybody who repairsanything. Thus, Frenchmen areimpressed to hear that the Britishdon't have their cars serviced bymechanics but by motor engineers,and that household goods are main-tained by legions of TV engineers,radio engineers, etc.

Of course, technicians and quali-fied tradesmen deserve recognition,but the indiscriminate use of the wordengineer makes it difficult to distin-

guish between different (not neces-sarily inferior) levels of skill.

In the foreign countries where Ihave lived, the term engineer is a titleoften protected by law and, in anycase, used to describe a very specifictype of professional. In the UK, thepermissiveness of the language helpsto perpetuate the image of theengineer as somebody associatedwith nuts, bolts and spanners.

The IProdE and its sister institu-tions could do a great service to theprofession and to the English lan-guage. They should produce a clearand unambiguous definition of thetitle engineer and strive to get thegeneral public familiar with it. Afterall, not only foreign-speakers butAmericans (who use more or less thesame language) consider the word aprotected term.

M E RodriguezGMIProdE

Fritz Courvoisier 42300 La Chaux-de-Fonds

Switzerland

The Editor reserves theright to shorten letters.Send to:The EditorManufacturing EngineerRochester House66 Little Ealing LaneLondon W54XXor Fax to 01-579 2244

MANUFACTURING ENGINEER APRIL 1990