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February 2, 2011 12:50 pmSimon Gallagher74 Comments

In case you didnʼt know, today – February 2nd – is Groundhog Day. And to celebrate themomentous American holiday that inspired the bloody brilliant Bill Murray film of the same name,weʼre going to answer one of the most asked questions in cinematic history.

Just how many days does Phil Connors spend trapped in the perpetual loop of Groundhog Day?

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Okay, so director Harold Ramis has sort of already answered it on the DVD commentary of thefilm (10 years he reckoned) and then later, in response to several sites online running an articlethat came to an answer of just 8 years, 8 months, and 16 days, he offered the following (seeminglycontradicting his own bloody answer in the process!):

I think the 10-year estimate is too short. It takes at least 10 years to get good atanything, and alloting for the down time and misguided years he spent, it had to bemore like 30 or 40 years…

Fair enough, Mr Ramis, but since when did I ever let something as trivial as the truth of the creatorof something get in the way of a good opportunity to offer my own take? Anyway, I donʼt agree withhis estimate at all, as youʼll see below.

Now before I start, a small disclaimer – this article doesnʼt take into account days in which Phildoes nothing (like those days when all you want to do is lie in bed and play with yourself – which heinevitably will have done), so donʼt go complaining that I havenʼt factored them in. I actually have,though not explicitly, because my calculation inexplicitly accepts that Phil may have spent timelearning some of his new skills on the same day. Donʼt phone, itʼs just for fun!

Right, so here goes:

The first stage is to work out how many separate days are shown on screen during the movie. Sohereʼs a good old-fashioned list of them:

Day 1: Groundhog DayDay 2: The first repetitionDay 3: The fixed pencilDay 4: Punching NedDay 5: Deceiving NancyDay 6: Robbing the bankDay 7: Seeing Heidi 2 with a French MaidDays 8-12: Engineering the near-perfect dateDay 13: The bad perfect dateDays 14-21: One for every slapDay 22: “Phil you look terrible!”Day 23: JeopardyDay 24: “This is pitiful!”Days 25-27: Breaking the alarm clockDay 28: Kidnapping Punxsutawney PhilDay 29-31: Philʼs suicidesDay 32: Iʼm a God!Days 33- 35: First piano lessonsDay 36: Sexually harassing NedDay 37: Looking after the homeless manDay 38: The final Groundhog Day

So by my reckoning thatʼs 38 separate days shown in the movie. This is of course assuming thatevery separate thing listed above happens on separate days, which I think isnʼt too much of adangerous assumption, given that Phil is something of a quitter (case in point: multiple attempts atsuicide).

Second, and far more difficult stage is to take things Phil says as indicators for other days we donot see.

I have been stabbed, shot, poisoned, frozen, hung, electrocuted, and burned.

Electrocution we saw, see itʼs up there in the list – but the other six account for an additional sixdays (again assuming they werenʼt on the same day). Which brings the running total up to 44days. But then that isnʼt factoring the number of days of perpetuation that it would take to force aman who is already thoroughly depressed to attempt suicide – delicate matter, but since Phil is anentirely self-centred man, trapped in his own idea of hell, and surrounded by “hicks”, youʼd have towager that normal circumstances wouldnʼt apply. If it were me, a month would be more thanenough time to drive me to despair, and Iʼd say Phil Connors was at least as self-aware as I am, ifnot more given that he gives up “living by their rules” on day 3 – so letʼs factor in 20 more days atthis point.

Thatʼs 64 days so far.

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And then thereʼs the scene where Connors tells Rita exactly how long it would take to learn how toexpertly throw playing cards into an upturned hat:

“Six months. Four to five hours a day, and youʼd be an expert.”

So, thatʼs 6 months added to the 62 days, bringing the running total to 244 days (taking a month as30 days).

The insightful quotes donʼt stop there- next up is the scene in which Phil takes a companion in aFrench Maid outfit to see Heidi 2 at the local cinema, and teasingly says:

“Itʼs like I said: I love this film. Iʼve seen it over 100 times.”

Thereʼs another 100 days then – seriously, who would see the same film twice in the same day?Especially when its Heidi 2…

New total so far: 344 days

Add to that two full days of Jeopardy watching to be able to perfectly recite the answers (spreadover some other days no doubt – but probably empty days, considering Philʼs mood at that point inthe movie) and you have 346 days.

Then of course thereʼs the diner scene in which Phil explains to Rita that he is stuck relivingGroundhog Day, and uses his extensive knowledge of the other diners to prove his point – letʼsgive each person a day (ignoring Nancy, as sheʼs in the original 38 on-screen days), since heclearly knows a lot about them. So thatʼs a day each for Doris the waitress, Debbie & Fred, Phil thewaiter, Gus the drunk ex-sailor, Tom the former coal miner and Alice the waitress, totalling 6additional days, bringing us to 352 days.

And finally, in this section are the few odd bits and pieces mentioned on screen that would havetaken some time, including sourcing a Rolls Royce and Cowboy outfit in small-town Punxsutawneyand meeting his French maid companion, discovering the candy store, finding out that Rita likesRocky Road, and generally learning everything there is to know about Rita. Conservatively, thatʼsgoing to be 100 extra days, most of which would be spent in Philʼs attempts to find out as muchabout Rita as possible to give her the perfect date.

Keeping up? Weʼre on 452 days already.



Next up, thereʼs the third stage of the operation – taking the things Phil achieves on screen thatimply he has spent time learning new skills, and attempting to use educated guess work, and otherreference points to work out how long each achievement might have taken. Armed only withGoogle, and a healthy curiosity, I set out on this part of the quest with incredible gusto. Then I hada lie-down and watched Hot Shots: Part Deux instead. But then I got back on it:

First there are the big two – learning how to make ice sculptures and how to play piano fromscratch.

The ice sculpture business is pretty difficult to quantify, though you would assume that being inshow business he has some interest or background in art, so even if he went in as an ice virgin, hemight learn faster than another person. Iʼll also assume he is self-taught, which is bound to takesome time (top Ice Sculptors in London Eskimo Ice can only call themselves top of their game dueto 25 years of experience), and portraitureʼs got to be the most difficult style to master. Inconjunction with that, Malcolm Gladwell has stated that it takes anyone 10,000 hours to become anexpert at any one subject, and Phil is clealy an expert ice sculptor, since the ice sculpture is theone thing in Groundhog Day that is entirely quantifiable by what we can see on screen (playing onesong well does not make anyone an expert pianist, and speaking one French poem perfectlylikewise is not an indicator of expertise).

Broken down that is an hour a day for 27 years, but we know Phil by now, and we know that whenhe figures out that something gets him closer to fourth base with Rita, heʼs likely to pursue it a littlemore rabidly than that. So Iʼm suggesting an average of 4 hours per day – based also on hiswillingness to stick to 4 or 5 hours of card flicking for six solid months, and the impending threat offrost bite over longer periods – which brings that to just under 7 years, based on him working forconsecutive days for that whole time, or more likely 10 years sticking to a traditional 5 day a weekworking directive.

A giant leap to the next running total: 4102 days

And then thereʼs learning the piano. Again, you have to consider that 10,000 hours to become anexpert – not that we know Phil is an actual expert, in the Mozart mould (took him 13 years toproduce world class music after being “discovered” at the age of 4), because he isnʼt composing oranything. So letʼs call him an exceptional pianist – three quarters of the way to expert – so 7,000practice hours. At the level he is clearly playing at at the end, he must have been putting in two orthree hours of practice a day at least (any more and he would be in severe danger of carpal tunnelsyndrome or tendinitis) though not every day (for the same medical reasons). That breaks down toabout 7.5 years playing for between two and three hours a day every day. But Iʼve already said Iʼmworking on the basis that he sticks to the habit of five days on, two days off- so that makes it ten



and a half years or there abouts (seems Harold Ramis was right about the ten year mark).

10.5 years= 3833 days

And a new running total of 7935

But then there are other things too – it is implied that Phil has learned French when he recitesFrench poetry to Rita – but then, at this stage in the film, Phil has shown that he is more thanwilling to use deception to get into her knickers, so whatʼs to say that he didnʼt simply spend acouple of days learning how to perfectly recite the one passage he picks to impress Rita. But thatʼsprobably nit-picking, so letʼs accept that he took lessons (given that Ramis himself also confirmedthat Phil learned the language, and that the script confirms it below).

Rita: Believe it or not, I studied nineteenth-century French poetry.Phil: [talks in French]Rita: You speak French?Phil: Oui.

So, taking into account the fact that America only has about 1.6million French speakers, and isnʼtstrictly speaking a Francophone nation, and the fact that Pennsylvania had no historical Frenchsettlement it would presumably have been more difficult for Phil to learn the language than it wouldsomewhere with a large French speaking community. With that in mind and also the fact that Phil isan adult learner, and thus less susceptible to learning a second language quickly, a conservativeestimate, based on the idea of him taking lessons everyday (he clearly really wants to impressRita), it would have taken somewhere around 12 years to become completely fluent (though ex-pats living in Francophone countries sometimes state it takes longer even than that) bringing therunning total to:

12,315 days

Not only does Phil learn things to woo Rita – he also became all selfless, as indicated by this quotefrom Felixʼs Wife:

Dr. Connors. I want to thank you for fixing Felixʼs back. He can even help around thehouse again.

Hang on, he fixed his back?! When exactly did he find the time to learn enough in the medical fieldto “fix” the back of a man so incapacitated that he couldnʼt even help around the house?! Oh yeah,right, stuck in an infinite circle of time! Well, I wouldnʼt think he had actually gone to Medical School



(there isnʼt one in Punxsutawney – and heʼd just end up doing first-day induction over and overanyway) or the required four years post-graduate studying to become a chiropractor, but you haveto wonder how long it would take an unqualified TV presenter to master chiropractory to that level –or at least enough to wing it (itʼs a giant law-suit waiting to happen). This one has to be purespeculation – though I did find a useful, teach yourself chiropractory video, of 100 minutes, whichyouʼd think Phil would have to watch at least five or six times to learn off by heart (a low numbersince he would have some familiarity with learning lines quickly). Itʼs probably also reasonable tosuggest that Phil would have read up on the subject before attempting to administer off-the-cuffmedical attention on a frail-looking elderly gentleman – say 20 days to be safe.

Adding the time it took to source the video (no more a suspension of belief required than hisacquiring WWF tickets!), and the probable few times he practiced on Felix and it didnʼt quite workout as planned (and assuming each failed attempt then spoiled his entire day), Iʼd say a very roughbare minimum estimate of 26 days to learn to fix Felixʼs back.

So, so far thatʼs: 12,341 days

Iʼve already stated (in the disclaimer above) that these periods of learning could overlap – butreally, Iʼm not entirely sure they would: clearly, you couldnʼt learn to play the piano after spending afew hours learning to sculpt ice (which would necessarily be a morning activity, given the lowertemperatures and appropriate lighting). And further, given Philʼs professed dedication to eachsubject (his spending six months learning to throw cards into a hat proves an invaluable bench-mark), I donʼt think it likely that he would learn each thing in one long, crammed period of time. Youhave to remember, at the stage he is learning piano and ice sculpting, he has seeminglyabandoned his desire to leave Punxsutawney, and is revelling in the infinite possibilities for self-advancement. So there.

Anyway, ignoring for a minute the good that he does, Phil does himself some badness too. Chiefamong them naughty activities, he robs a security van outside the bank, thanks to a Rain Man styleplan:

[sitting outside the local bank]Phil: A gust of wind.[a gust of wind blows]Phil: A dog barks.[a dog barks in the distance]Phil: Cue the truck.[an armored truck drives up]Phil: Exit Herman; walk out into the bank.[Herman gets out of the armored truck and walks into the bank]Phil: Exit Felix, and stand there with a not-so-bright look on your face.[Felix gets out of truck and stands there]Phil: All right, Doris, come on. Hey, fix your bra, honey… Thatʼs better.[Doris walks up fixing her outfit]Phil: [impersonating Doris] Felix.[Doris says, "Felix"]Phil: [impersonating Felix] How ya doinʼ Doris?[Felix asks Doris a question]Phil: [impersonating Doris] Can I have a roll of quarters?[Doris asks Felix for a roll of quarters]Phil: [Phil stands up and begins to walk towards the armored car, counting to himself]Phil: 10, 9, 8, car…[a car drives in front of Phil]

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Phil: …6, 5, quarters…[roll of quarters breaks open, hitting the ground]Phil: …3, 2…[Phil reaches over Felix and takes a bag of money out of the back of the armored truck]Herman: Felix, did I bring out two bags or one?Felix: I dunno.[scratches his head]

That impressive knowledge, perfect to the exact minute detail, seemingly implies an extendedperiod of research, including failed attempts (presumably also including him being run over by thecar), which could not have been feasibly shorter than six weeks in my opinion. And Iʼm the one withthe keyboard here- so six more weeks it is:

Running total: 12,383 days

The finalstage of this whole operation is breaking down what Phil achieves in his final Groundhog Day, andworking out how long each soul-saving gesture would have taken, as follows:

1. Saving a falling child - a day to hear about the accident, and find out where it happens, acouple more days to investigate, and maybe two more to get the timing perfectly off to a tee =5 days

2. Changing the old ladiesʼ tire - being in the right place, finding a tire and a jack = 1 day3. Saving Buster - discovering when and where Buster chokes, learning the Heimlich

Manoeuvre = 2 days4. Getting a couple WWF tickets (entirely improbable but – one day to find out they enjoy

WWF, one day to find out you canʼt get WWF tickets within the same day – with a blizzard noless – and two full days to somehow source some tickets within the town itself = 4 days)

Total for those selfless acts: 12 days of hard work

Which brings us to a penultimate count of 12,395 days.

But then there is a final calculation to consider- the small matter of leap years, which add a 366thday to the calendar every four years. So that, Math Fans, is 8 extra days, leading to a massive finaltotal of… drum roll please….

…12,403 days.

And written in more sensible terms that is…

33 years and 358 days



So if my math is right (probably ainʼt) and obviously leap years make it difficult but it will meansomething like;

407 months1766 weeks12,403 days297, 672 hours17, 860, 320 minutes

So next time you are asked… “Hey, just how many days does Bill Murray spend locked inGroundhog Day?” – The answer my friends, is, 12,403 days!!

Thatʼs a far shout from that 8 years figure bandied about in that article mentioned above – and evenfurther away from the 10,000 years that were supposedly mentioned in the initial drafts of the film. Ican only thank my lucky stars I didnʼt have to go to those lengths!

All that effort to find out that Harold Ramis was pretty much right in the first sodding place. Itʼsalright though, manʼs a goddamn genius.

For anyone who wants to check all of this, I really donʼt suggest watching Groundhog Day in thismanner. Itʼs not the best way to enjoy what is essentially a light-hearted comedy whosemetaphysical concerns are supposed to be enjoyed in fun, and not worked out mathematically.Normal people should be happy to just watch, and accept that Phil Connors is stuck repeating hisone day endlessly over and over until he finds himself- but then, I donʼt think Iʼm normal.

HAPPY GROUNDHOG DAY

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1. Owain Paciuszko says:February 2, 2011 at 1:02 pm

Awesome!

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tommy says:February 3, 2011 at 6:30 am

I think 10,000 years is a much more satisfying amount of time. Certainly well over acentury passed. The specific things you mention are intended to be merely emblematicof his journey. Recall when he looks at the old man chart in the hospital. The clearimplication is that he has self-trained himself to be the equivalent of a doctor. One otherpoint that movie buffs can related to. Who could see “Heidi 2″ over a hundred times?Well, likely someone who has not had to suffer through it for ten years. So, sufferingthrough Heidi 2 once every 10 years just for something to do brings us to a thousandyears alone.

2. Simon Gallagher says:February 2, 2011 at 1:04 pm

Thank you Sir.

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3. Ed says:February 2, 2011 at 1:08 pm

This is amazing, really impressed! I was talking to my girlfriend about the number of days inGroundhog Day when we watched it the other day, now I have an idea!

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4. cellulord says:February 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm

Excellent, fastidious work, but how many days did you spend watching Groundhog Day? : )

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Cheers Ed, and thank you Cellulord!

Believe it or not I watched it only once before the article. Admittedly I nearly wore out therewind function though.

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6. Sam says:February 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm

If there was one of those “guess the size” competitions for the number of days Bill Murrayspent reliving Groundhog day, youʼll be in a chance of winning!

And no badly designed pie chart in sight ;)

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7. JAM says:February 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm

I wouldnʼt mind spend 33 years stuck with Andie McDowell.

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She is a handsome woman.

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9. Braeden Orr says:February 2, 2011 at 3:44 pm

You have too much TIME on your hands. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH see what I did there?AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Seriously though, great effort, this was a very fascinating read.

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Simon Gallagher says:February 2, 2011 at 3:46 pm

Thanks Braeden- I find every comment can be made more entertaining thanks to theaddition of slightly worrying manic laughter!

10. Joshua says:February 2, 2011 at 4:08 pm

Good work! I remember watching this movie around the 15th time back in the 90s andrealizing it must have been years for him. That always made me feel a little sad becauseGroundhog Day had essentially become his life, and as increasingly knowledgeable andfriendly as he was becoming, it meant he was becoming further detached psychologicallyfrom all other people. This figure you gave makes sense, but also means he lived his entirelife over again in a day to the world, in or around his 80s he finally gets a little happiness andmediocrity in the end. What a great film. Definitely one of Saint Murrayʼs finest miracles.

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11. AK says:February 2, 2011 at 7:31 pm

Wow. Truly excellent work and worthy of the name of the website.

I have to be a jerk, though, and point out one possible flaw in your calculations. You adjustthe amount of time it takes Phil to learn the piano because you think heʼll slow down to avoidcarpal tunnel syndrome. However, carpal tunnel is a physical condition and his body resetsevery morning (otherwise, heʼd wake up burned, electrocuted, stabbed, etc., or at the veryleast he would age 33 years.) He wakes up every morning with wrists and muscles that havenever even touched a piano. He could spend all day playing, from dawn to dusk, with no illeffects, and he could do this effectively forever until he learned to play. Not saying thatʼs whathe DID do, but itʼs a possible wrinkle.

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physical because he has to retrain his muscles every day to perform the task. So, hell, maybeyou UNDERestimated some of his totals.)

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12. Ethan says:February 2, 2011 at 8:28 pm

Great work, but you also need to add in extra days for everyone else at the diner he learnedabout, not just those Rita asked him about. After all, he presumably learned everything thereis to know about everyone in the diner, not just those you listed, as Rita could have easilyasked him about the chef in the back as Doris. In fact, we can presume that Phil learnedeverything about virtually everyone both in and outside the diner, including those on thestreet and in the park, etc. Why stop with just the diner people if he had unlimited time on hishands?

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A good point well made- but I could only really work on what was explicitly on screen. IfI was just guessing the article could have been three lines long, or even bloody longerthan this one!

ben says:February 3, 2011 at 2:01 pm

even more important, you didnʼt even mention the time it was taking him to try and savethe homeless man. i wonʼt even bother speculating days, but itʼs clear you poured a lotof research into this, so itʼs baffling youʼd miss that. you even listed it as day 37. philspends several scenes trying to save that guy. overall though, very good article.

13. Zoe says:February 2, 2011 at 8:29 pm

One more nitpicky comment — you donʼt need to add 8 days for leap years. Youestimated/calculated a sort of “bare minimum” number of Groundhog days Phil would haveneeded to learn all of the skills he obviously learned (and who knows; maybe there are otherskills he learned that he never gets to use), and the number of days you estimated waswhatever it was (12,395). Why do you add eight days to that for leap days? The number ofdays is the number of days!

In fact, leap year makes no sense within the context of your calculations, because he wasnʼtliving for years; he was living the same day, over and over again. If we can suspend disbeliefand believe that he was in fact re-living the same day over and over, the sun and moon andplanets would all have been in the same place every day, so the idea of a “year” or a “leapyear” doesnʼt really make sense within that context.

If you wanted to calculate an “equivalent” number of years he spent re-living Groundhog Day(like “dog years”), then you could include the leap years, but you should SUBTRACT 8 daysfrom your total day count; basically, the equivalent number of “human years” he spenttrapped in Groundhog Day were an equivalent of 33 years and 342 days (not 33 years 350days, or 33 years 358 days), because the “equivalent” years is the only place the leap yearcomes into account. (Each “equivalent leap year” would have 1 more day in it than an“equivalent non-leap year,” so 8 days would be “left over” if you know what I mean.)

Whew! Okay, I feel better now.

Thanks for doing all of the estimating — I always wondered how long Phil was trapped inGroundhog Day hell. I just needed to point out the one small error in your math, or rather, inyour logic :)










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14. Andrew James says:February 2, 2011 at 8:53 pm

This is pretty amazing. Quite quality investigations here.

I could offer up one nugget that might actually add quite a lot to the overall time:

You suggest that it takes 12 days of work to do all of the selfless acts he performs (changingtire, saving Felix, catching the kid falling from the tree, etc.). But itʼs made clear that he doesthese things every single day. He mentions to the kid, “Iʼll see you tomorrow…. maybe!” SinceI assume heʼs kidding about the “maybe” part, can we not assume he does that every singleday? So doing all of these things for these people every day would take a lot of time. Hence itwould take a lot of time away from learning French, Ice Sculpting, etc. It would be kind ofarbitrary, but likely 4-5 hours of each day is taken up just by wandering the town and doingthese things every day. Not to mention that donʼt all happen back to back presumably. So hemight have 35 minutes between fixing the tire and catching the falling kid. Which would notleave much time for anything other than reading a book or something.

I guess itʼs a nitpick. Great article!

PS – and I donʼt think leap years matter do they? Since the actual date means nothing. Itʼsthe same day over and over. The only thing that matters is how much time he spends;February 29th would have nothing to do with anything.

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I figure it would take 12 days to initially discover that each of the things was happening,and getting himself into a rhythm by the end to accomplish them all in the same day.Though I also actually think he never accomplishes them all in one go, until that finalday, so he couldnʼt have spent THAT long trying in comparison to the length of time hewas stuck reliving the day in general. So he would probably have learnt as much as hemeant to by that point- I mean he accomplished almost everything that Rita said made“the perfect man” which is all Groundhog Day is actually about. As soon as he gets allof the achievements she reels off, he only has selflessness to accomplish, so I dontthink he would have been spending as much time learning more new things whilesorting out his errands.

15. Katie says:February 2, 2011 at 8:58 pm

Interesting and clearly a lot of thought was put into this, but as I was reading it, some of yourpoints made no sense. Why would he worry about frostbite? He can kill himself and still wakeup the next day with no harm to his body. Frostbite isnʼt a concern for him. The same couldbe said for carpel-tunnel. He could never get it because his body resets itself every time itbecomes Feb. 2 again.

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Ethan says:February 2, 2011 at 9:09 pm

I dont think he would worry about the frostbite, but I do think it likely that the numbnessand/or pain would prevent him from continuing to work. So putting a limit on it isnecessary. Also, and no matter what it was, doing anything for more than a few hours(no matter how enjoyable initially) becomes boring. So he would definitely stopsculpting, playing piano, etc., after a few hours continuous hours. When he referred tothe number of hours spent tossing the cards, I always presumed he didnt mean he did it


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I only meant he wouldnʼt be able to go immediately and play the piano on the same dayif he spent so much time ice carving that he got immediate onset frostbite.

Andrew says:February 2, 2011 at 9:30 pm

> He could never get it because his body resets itself every time it becomes Feb. 2again…

Interesting. Clearly heʼs acquiring memories and expertise throughout all those days —i.e., his MIND is not resetting itself.

Is the film abstrusely weighing in on the mind-body problem? Are thoughts, memories,personality, knowledge — all the things he acquires through his journey — notultimately bodily in nature? Stored in neural pathways, brain chemistry, and the like?


You guys are just swell!

And thanks for the responses- I agree about the leap years point. It should have been asubtraction, since he actually lived those leap year days, and didnʼt somehow gain them,which is how the calculation has it. Great spot!

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17. another Josh says:February 2, 2011 at 9:39 pm

Another thing not considered is the time spent maintaining what heʼd learned previously.Sure, it may take 4-5 hours a day for 6 months to become a proficient card-flipper, but hewould then have to keep practicing somewhat to maintain that proficiency. The same with theice sculpting, piano, and French. Not to mention keeping up the timing on making sure heʼs atthe right place at the right time for the selfless acts he does on the final day.

Say he takes up the piano 10 years into the nearly 34 year stretch, and it takes him 7.5 yearsto get to a given level of proficiency. He would then have to keep practicing some amount oftime during the remaining 16.5 years to keep up that skill, all while developing whatever hemoved on to afterward and practicing whatever skills he learned prior. Iʼd guess that cardflipping would be something heʼd take up early on in the cycle, after the suicide attempts. Heʼdneed something to pass the time before getting inspired to do something better with the timegiven. Maybe after a year of Groundhog Days heʼs an expert. Heʼs got to keep card flippingfor some amount of time (maybe a couple of hours a week) for at least 32 more years!

By the end, he must have excellent time management skills.

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not to help everyone he possibly could so he could sit and flick some cards at anupturned hat!

18. Larry McGillicuddy says:February 2, 2011 at 10:16 pm

I love this! My own nitpicky comment would point out that there is a flaw in assuming many ofthe things happened on separate days, because on the final day heʼs clearly done many ofthem on that one day. The guy thanks him for the heimlich, the piano teacher proudlymentions heʼs her student, the married couple come up and thank him and he gives them theWWF tickets, etc.

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19. Larry McGillicuddy says:February 2, 2011 at 10:18 pm

And I just noticed youʼve already addressed my own points. Anyways, this was a veryentertaining read and itʼs fun to think about.

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20. Greg says:February 2, 2011 at 10:29 pm

My favorite comedy of all time! Thanks Simon… What a wonderful analysis!

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21. scott says:February 2, 2011 at 11:05 pm

This is all assuming he is only practicing one thing a day. Probably not true.

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Not true, Scott my friend. I addressed that in the disclaimer, and then in a secondresponse. The other simple fact is, if someone had an eternity to learn new things (andhe has fully accepted that he will never get out of the perpetual loop by the time hestarts to learn piano and ice sculpting at the least), why would he then make sure hewas spending his ENTIRE day practicing? Also, at some point along the line, he startedwith his voyage of selflessness by helping other people throughout the day. Even if hewas only doing a couple a day, along with eating, and reporting on the Groundhog Dayevent, he wouldnt have had like 6 or 7 hours to learn multiple things.

22. jedipunk says:February 2, 2011 at 11:06 pm

I didnʼt read all the comments but the only fault I see, aside from some concurrency ofevents, would be that #days does not necessarily mean full days. There is at least onesuicide where he woke up, grabbed the toaster, and took it to the bath tub.

Regardless, this was some good fun. Now time to go home and watch it again.

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23. K8 says:February 2, 2011 at 11:11 pm

Yeah, I donʼt think Iʼm normal either. Thanks for doinʼ the math man.

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24. Ed says:February 2, 2011 at 11:51 pm

Great … one more nitpicky point. When the kid falls out of the tree, Phil laments that the boy*never* thanks him for it. That would suggest that Phil saves the boy many times. Thosecould be parts of other days youʼve already accounted for, or extra days altogether.

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Yeah, Iʼve accounted for them- I figure he takes four or five days to get it down to a tee,so it becomes habitual, and then after that it literally takes him ten minutes or whateverto go and save the kid (unless some days, Heaven forbid, he chooses to just let itslide!). The day count only takes into account days spent learning/perfecting newthings…

25. JH says:February 3, 2011 at 12:03 am

Fantastic post. I was going to chime in about “someone having too much time on their hands”but here I am doing the same thing.

I think the nearly 34-year estimate is pretty much on target … though you could argue itʼsprobably on the low side. If you allow for some creative hypothesizing you could easily scalethat up to the full 40 years that Mr. Ramis estimates on the high end.

For example, I would argue that you could tack on an extra three years worth of suicides. Notthat these were all premeditated. Putting myself in Philʼs shoes, I would relish the option ofstepping in front of a truck every time I were having a bad day. He might not have beenplanning to off himself, but letʼs just say things arenʼt going well that day and he wanted tostart over. Itʼs fair to assume he took this option many, many times.

Similarly, again putting myself in Philʼs shoes, Iʼm sure Iʼd find many, many ways to amusemyself out of boredom. The night of drinking and railroad-track driving with Gus and Ralphand his date with the french maid (both of which he seemed to thoroughly enjoy) may havebeen just the tip of the iceburg. Iʼm sure he did a lot of partying with Punxsutawneyʼs morecolorful folks over the course of his stay. Add another three years of frivolity and there you go… 40 years.

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when he eventually gets out of there he has to live with the guilt of what he did. If it wasme, there would be a lot of experimental stuff going on. Like Groundhog Day: After Darkstyle. I mean, after 30 years curiosity is going to play a major part in shaping what hedoes with his leisure time…!

Dirty Boy Wash Your Mouth Out says:February 3, 2011 at 12:16 am

I bet there isnʼt a single item in Punxsutawney that he hasnʼt had sex with by the end.Animal, mineral, vegetable. You name it…

26. Ryan says:February 3, 2011 at 12:11 am

Doesnʼt he also learn italian to talk with the guy in the bed and breakfast? Not to mention allthe days he spends with the homeless man trying to make sure he doesnʼt die?

Love this movie and this article. Thanks Simon

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Entirely welcome Ryan.

Iʼm not sure he learns it entirely- what he says is effectively just Hello and Goodbye.

And the way I see the homeless guy- thatʼs the straw that breaks the camelʼs back forhim and makes him seek to be entirely selfless (when the nurse says “people just die”he says resolutely “not today”, but then cant stop him dying). So yeah, you are probablyright that for a while he spent time exasperatedly trying to stop the old man from dying.Good shout.

27. Bullio says:February 3, 2011 at 12:26 am

With the WWF tickets, they could have already been in the possession of someone else intown. In all that time, itʼs possible he could have heard someone mention they had them, theyhad them but couldnʼt go, etc and could have made a bargain for them in order to give themto the other couple.

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Bullio says:February 3, 2011 at 12:29 am

Also, great read. I enjoyed it.

jeff p says:February 3, 2011 at 3:34 am

The Wrestlemania tickets could have been purchased from a retail outlet with aTickmaster terminal. I remember that I bought WWE (then WWF) tickets once at thecustomer service desk at what is now a Macyʼs. According to Ticketmaster there arenʼtany locations in Puxatony now, but there could have been then.













28. Chip says:February 3, 2011 at 12:29 am

Points for your effort, but negative points for originality. Since there is clearly not meant to bea “real” answer anyway, the fun and novelty in this topic is solely in the silliness of trying towork out the math. And the blogger from Wolfgnards (the linked article) already played thatgame two years ago. This just seems like coattail riding really.

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Coat-tail riding? Erm, ok…

If there is no right answer, why cant multiple people answer the question? I didnʼt agreewith his answer so I offered my own. Thatʼs the joy of interpretation!

Chip says:February 3, 2011 at 4:04 am

Donʼt get me wrong. I get that you had your own approach. But for what boils down to aquirky entertainment piece, the concept seems a lot more important than the approach,let alone the answer. I would have crunched the numbers differently than both you andwolfgnards did, but I feel like itʼs been covered at this point :). Amusing once. A littleless amusing twice. Thatʼs all.

29. Shizzlefizz says:February 3, 2011 at 12:30 am

Why would he be worried about carpal tunnel or tendonitis? His body “Resets” every day! Ifhe kills himself, he wakes up the next day, unharmed. If he were to chop his arm off, chancesare, heʼd wake up the next day, unharmed.

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It doesnʼt always reset- a problem I found pretty annoying. After the sequence in whichRita slaps Phil a number of times, he wakes up the “next day” looking terrible, and Ritagreets him with “Rough night?” Despite him looking normal every other time he wakesup.

But, yeah, I agree. I just thought I could suggest he might get some strain afterextended playing and carpal tunnel syndrome is close to my heart…

30. TKMG says:February 3, 2011 at 1:02 am

Great post. I myself am one of those people that likes to think of the sometimes trivialaspects of films that arenʼt mentioned and I do things like this myself, so I appreciate all theeffort. This is especially impressive seeing how your results ended up mirroring Ramis.Thumbs up, Simon!

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31. Jeff says:February 3, 2011 at 1:38 am

12 years to learn a language? Is Phil retarded?

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Nope, heʼs just in the worst environment to learn. And with very limited or noopportunity for conversation-aided learning.

32. Jeremy says:February 3, 2011 at 1:45 am

If he can kill himself, and then wake up fine the next morning…. why would carpal tunnel bean issue again?

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33. John says:February 3, 2011 at 1:53 am

You mention concerns of carpal tunnel syndrome, but heʼs obviously already a middle-agedman. After 34 years, he would be clearly elderly. Thereʼs also the small matter of havingrepeatedly *died*. Obviously Philʼs body is also part of the time-loop, and is unaffected by theeffects of time. Phil is absolutely right…throughout the course of the time-loop, he ISimmortal, and also effectively invulnerable. Any damage done to his body is reset the nexttime the day repeats. Ergo, carpal tunnel would not be a problem.

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34. Simon Gallagher says:February 3, 2011 at 1:57 am

Ok ok, Carpal Tunnel wasnʼt the best choice of ailment! Letʼs just say short-term Wrist Strain.It is actually possible to immediately develop Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from an extendedperiod of unfamiliar, stressful activity (in terms of stress on the wrist)- I know this becausethatʼs how I developed it the first time. So I was basing my assumption that an extendedperiod of piano playing (five or six hours) might develop a short term, and immediateproblem. But, I do take the point!

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35. Lisa says:February 3, 2011 at 2:17 am

Great post. But itʼs sad to believe that it takes him that many years to become selfless andnot narcissistic, which is how he finally gets released from the day. For example, when hewakes up with Rita on february third and begins getting frisky, she says to him that shewished heʼd been like that the night before instead of just falling asleep, meaning of coursethat he finally gets Rita in bed and he does nothing with her, the ultimate sacrifice.

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36. Tyme Travelloo says:February 3, 2011 at 2:38 am

















I have often been stuck in time loops and I approve of this article.

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37. Johann Schmidt says:February 3, 2011 at 2:39 am

This article is total shit. Your grammar and sentence structure are terrible, and your ideas arestupid.

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Matt Holmes says:February 3, 2011 at 2:48 am

2K facebook likes suggest another reading.

Braeden Orr says:February 3, 2011 at 3:31 am

Make that 3K! BUUUUURRRRNNNNN!!!!!

38. CK Chappell says:February 3, 2011 at 3:03 am

Very well done. Thank you for the analysis.

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39. Kiki says:February 3, 2011 at 3:41 am

Danny Rubin actually talks about the elapsed time in the special features of the specialedition GroundHog day. Itʼs waaaaaaayyyy more than 30-odd years…

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40. Joye says:February 3, 2011 at 4:02 am

Excellent analysis. Ever noticed that the main characterʼs name and the groundhog are bothPhil? Like Punxatawny, Phil the reporter has to go through the same things over and over tolearn something new, in a town that stays the same year after year. Lots of layers to thismovie.

I think that for Phil, the reporter to have improved himself, it would take reinforcement oflearned activities. At the end, he knew he had to be in the same location to catch the boyfalling out of the tree, help the person choking, help the homeless person, etc. Oncesomething is mastered, itʼs a case of just reinforcing things each day or every few days. But,towards the end, he had decided to stay on the same routine. Are you correct on the timeline.Probably. If not, itʼs still a fun analysis.

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41. Dazzy says:February 3, 2011 at 4:14 am

a good friend of mine was a friend of Danny Rubin, the original screenwriter for GHD. He saidthat in the beginning they considered starting the movie at the 1000th day, but decided in the






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end that they owed it to the audience to show how he became trapped in the GHD web. Inany event, apparently the metaphysical implications of the movie were deliberately intendedand do not come from “over analyzing” the flick.

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Yeah I had heard that, and that Harold Ramis promised not to abandon that idea so wejust landed into a scene like where he steals the money, so are utterly confused as tohow he knows whatʼs happening. Would have made for an excellent film, but an entirelydifferent tone- with Bill Murrayʼs ability to be nasty at the flip of a switch, its far more funto find out a little of why he gets trapped (his terrible self-centred attitude).

My other favourite thing about the original script was the idea that Rubins allegedlyplayed with the idea of Phil being cursed by an ex-girlfriend/witch to spend eternity inthe loop. Glad they swerved that idea!

42. oops says:February 3, 2011 at 5:15 am

you count the one time phil saves the old man but in the film he saves him multiple times. youdidnt factor in those days. also he saves the kid more than once as he says “you have neverthanked me! ill see you tomorrow” so while i think youre close i think youre missing some keydays along the line

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I actually thought the same thing- but he doesnt. At least not on screen- thereʼs thetime he gives him a big wedge of money (which doesnt take more than a minute), thenthereʼs the night he takes him to and then dying to Philʼs despair. And there is actuallyonly one more time shown- when Phil takes him to the diner and we see the old guyeating soup- the film then cuts to Phil attempting to revive him in the street. Whetherthis is the same day is a matter of contention as it looks like the old man is in a make-shift shelter of sorts when Phil is resuscitating him, and presumably Phil wouldnʼt havesent him back there after the diner! But then the way the film runs at this point we areobviously supposed to sympathise with Philʼs despair at not being able to affect the oldmanʼs fate, and having his care and death in the same day emphasises the effect.

43. MrNexx says:February 3, 2011 at 5:38 am

Your commentary about chiropracty and how long it would take to learn reminded me of a bitin Schlock Mercenary, where they are talking to an alien who is, personally, millions of yearsold. He comments that he has the equivalent experience of a medical degree and that“millions of years leave a lot of time for trial and error.”

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44. blahblah says:February 3, 2011 at 7:55 am

Did you factor in how many times he hits the alarm clock and then it goes to the next day andhe hits the alarm clock and so on and so on?

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45. Jay Insult says:February 3, 2011 at 9:18 am

I, too, was compelled to nit-pick the carpal tunnel idea until I saw that several astutecommenters had already descended upon it like so much carrion. I also had the idea that thenumber of days reduced could then be increased depending on whether muscle memory (iePhilʼs hands “knowing” what to do) was stored in the brain or the muscles themselves,something that, if there is definitive neurological research, is beyond my ken. You yourselfbring up an excellent point that there is an odd distinction that Phil has MEMORIES from dayto day, but memories can be attributed to corporeal functions as neurological impulses. Inturn, in this bit of speculative fiction, we MUST necessarily grant a distinction betweenPHYSICAL effects and MENTAL memory. I think it is safe to say that the argument about Philretaining physical effects because of the aftermath of being slapped holds little validity. Hedid not wake up with a bruised face, but rather, with a bruised ego. One can clearly look likethey had a “rough night” when they drag themself around looking depressed, which Philcertainly did. Thus we return to the fact that one of the most fascinating crux-points of the filmis the distinction between physical harm/training and mental sharpness. If he had all that timeto train his brain with no physical deterioration, itʼs almost a wonder Phil did not developtelephathy by tapping the 90% of the brain most human never consciously use. That COULDexplain his intimate knowledge of the diner patrons…but maybe now *I* am the one reachingtoo far from overthinking.

In an entirely different point, the one thing that REALLY always bothered me with the logic ofGroundhog Day is that it never ever addressed what would happen if Phil never died or wentto sleep. Lord knows it is easy enough to stay up for more than 24 hours, and given aseeming eternity to experiment, it follows that Phil would have at some point stayed up pastthe hour on Feb 3 that his alarm clock goes off on Feb 2. The closest we get is when Rita iswith him at the end of the night, but they still fall asleep with hours to go before the reboot. Ifyou ask me it would be way more jarring to be awake and maybe in an entirely differentlocation and then be blipped back to waking up in bed to an alarm clock…

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46. dL says:February 3, 2011 at 10:40 am

Amazing work!! However, I seriously doubt that fluent French should take 12 years. Half ofthat should do, even for an American.

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47. Stu Cummins says:February 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm

My mind can finally be put to ease! Could you know please solve the following, so I will nolonger have to question anything:

1) Did the chicken or the egg come first?2) If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is present to hear it, does it still make a sound?

Thank you very much in advance! Lol! =)

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48. Darrell says:February 3, 2011 at 2:54 pm

Impressive as this is the one fatal flaw is that many different actions could have occurred onthe same day in many, many instances. Giving a separate day for every instance ofexperience and learning doesnʼt make any sense.

For instance, in the 100 days he watched a movie, he could have also attempted a suicide,practiced throwing cards for hours, worked on piano playing. Many of the days he does and










practices these things could have played out simultaneously.

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49. Some Guy says:February 3, 2011 at 2:55 pm

I hate to be critical, but I think you need to re-evaluate. I carefully studied your post, then setout to replicate Phil Connorsʼ accomplishments.

Iʼm not especially bright, but I AM a fast learner. I figure it took me about five-days…maybecloser to a week.

:)

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