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Clep
llnsk
i, Mich
ael, voL X
I, 187-189, 199
Clard
y, Barn
ard S
.: T
estimon
y, voL X
II, 403-114 R
eferred "
to. vol. XII, 257-258, 397,
402, 431-132; voL X
III, 10-11, 17, 20, 30, 41-42, 49, 51-52, 54 ; vol. X
V, 63-65, 129
Clark
, Ch
esley, voL X
V, 729-730, 733,
742 C
lark, I., vol. IX, 205, 301.
Clark
, Marsh
, voL X
I, 317-318 C
lark, M
ax E.:
Testim
ony, vol. V
III, 343-353 R
eferred to, voL
II, 324. 335 ; voL
VIII, 369, 383, 410, 413, 430, 435,
466-467; vol. IX, 7, 17, 130, 143,
161, 219, 224, 227, 230, 235-236, 238-240, 260, 306-307, 314, 451; voL
XI, 119, 123, 133
Cla
rk, M
ax E
. (Mrs.), v
ol. I, 7
; vol.
VIII, 305, 401-/03, 407-408, 410, 413,
430, 435, 466-467; vol. LX
, 17, 130, 143, 161, 219. 222, 224, 227, 230. 239-240, 306, 314, 451 ; vol. X
I, 110, 123, 133
Clark
, Rich
ard L
.: T
estimon
y, vol. VII, 235-239
Referred
to, vol. VII, 125, 127, 168-
170, 233-234, 242, 262, 264; voL
XIII, 186
Clark
, William
Kem
p:
Testim
ony, vol. V
I, 18-30 R
eferred to. vol. II, 39, 81-82 ; vol.
III, 36
0-3
61
, 36
9, 3
71
-37
6, 3
81
- 3
82
; vo
l. VI, 4
, 9-1
3, 4
0-4
1, 4
7.
49, 55, 61-62, 64, 70, 74, 81, 114, 142, 145, 148-149
Claverie, A
min
the, voL
VIII, 96-07, 99
Claverie, C
harles, V
ol. VIII, 95-97, 158
Claverie, Joh
n, vol. V
III ; 95-97, 158 C
layton, B
ob, voL
XV
, 557 C
lemen
te. Man
nin
g C.:
Testim
ony, voL
VII, 318-322
Referred
to, voL IV
, 217; voL
l30, 132, 171. 173-174; voL X
IV,
168, 268 ; vol. XV
, 59, 66, 68-70,175 C
Uck
, Daryl, vol. II, 40-50. 294
Clifton
, Ch
ester V., voL
VII, 471
Cloy, C
apt. R
ichard
C., vol. X
V, 738-
741 C
oates, T. R
., vol. X, 410
Cob
o, Al, vol. X
IV, 377
Cob
o, Ed
ward
A., voL
XIV
, 375, 377 C
od
y, J
oe, v
ol. X
III, 189; v
oL
XIV
, 83, 91, 295, 618
Cod
y, Julie A
nn
e. (S
ee Rich
, Nan
cy P
errin.)
Coh
en, M
arion, vol. V
III, 227 C
ohen
, Mick
ey, voL X
IV, 334
Cok
er, John
, vol. VI, 216, 218
Pok
..: Portia
rn1
'VIT
T t2
l1
Cole, A
lwyn
, testimon
y, vol. IV, 358-
; vol. XV
, 703-709 C
ole. Dave.
(gee C
herry, D
ave.) C
ole, Fran
ces (Mrs.), vol. X
IV, 496
Colem
an. K
athy K
ay. (S
ee O
lsen, K
ay Helen
.) C
oleman
, Ken
nerd
, voL X
IV, 641
Colem
an, S
heri, vol. X
IV, 636, 644
Colem
an, S
usan
, vol. XIV
, 636, 644 C
oleman, W
alter Kirk, voL
V, 448; vol.
XI, 418-417
Coley, Jerry, voL
XV
, 537, 540 C
ollins, E
mm
a, vol. XV
, 322, 335 C
ollins, M
erv, vol. XV
, 302-304, 306 C
ollins , P
atsy, vol. VII, 152
Collins, "R
ip," vol. XV
, 537 C
olvin, H
ershey, voL
XIV
, 447 ; voL
XV
, 22, 45 C
omach
o, Marin
o, vol IX, 187
Com
best, B. H
.: T
estimon
y, voL X
II, 176-186 R
eferred to, vol. X
II, 163 ; vol. XV
, 83-85
Cn
mm
ance, B
enn
y (Mrs.), vol. X
I, 21 C
omp
, Ch
arlie, vol. XIV
. 373 C
onforto, Jan
et Ad
ams, voL
V, 207;
vo
L X
II, 18
0; v
ol. X
III, 21
4, 4
20
- 421, 437, 494, 498-499; vol. X
IV, 149,
606; voL X
V, 101, 190-200. 208, 21°-
211, 227, 265, 410-412, 416, 627 C
onn
ally, Gov. Joh
n B
., Jr.; T
estimon
y, voL IV
, 129-146 R
eferred to, voL
I, 72, 220, 224-225, 4
48
-45
0, 4
57
; vo
L II, 3
9-4
1, 6
8,
74, 77, 79, 83, 90-92, 94-96, 100, 104, 115, 118, 124, 131, 133, 140- 142, 151, 175, 313, 316, 319, 327, 332, 368, 374-378, 381-382, 399, 414; v
ol. III, 1
74, 2
66, 3
58, 3
79,
383, 389, 413 ; vol. IV, 103-118,
11
8-1
22
, 12
4, 1
27
-12
8, 1
46
-14
9,
182, 180, 225-226, 231, 246, 275, 3
37
, 35
4, 4
30
; vo
L V
. 63
-64
, 67
. 72-73, 75, 78-87, 92-97, 103-105, 131-134, 142, 148, 154-159, 165, 167-174, 176, 179-181, 184, 215, 232, 408, 563-566, 807-608. 610- 6
11
, 61
9; v
ol. V
I, 2, 1
0, 2
4, 6
4,
73-75, 77-79, 83-87, 89-112, 114- 118, 120-128, 130, 136, 144-150, 152, 208-209, 243-244, 292, 294 ; vol. V
II, 219, 291. 304, 315, 347, 419, 421, 423, 441-443, 448-450, 455. 482, 465-466, 473, 475, 479- 480, 488, 517, 519, 564, 572, 574; vol. V
III, 173, 193, 351, 374, 388, 405, 411; vol IX
, 48, 95, 149, 255, 325-326, 373, 471; vol. X
I, 79, 145; voL
XII, 51, 63, 26'2 ; vol. X
IV,
485; voL X
V, 78, 82, 242, 322, 381,
91
N1
7.T
Q Q
.t.* ("n
o -,N
A
Con
nally, Joh
n B
., Jr. (Mrs.) :
Testim
ony, voL
IV, 146-149
Referred
to, vol. II, 40-41, 68, 74, 77, 7
9. 1
04
, 11
5, 1
18
, 12
4, 1
32
, 13
3,
14
0, 1
52
, 17
5; v
oL
IV, 1
03
, 11
4,
118, 130-134, 143; voL V
, 131, 142, 1
58
, 17
9, 1
81
, 563-5
66; v
oL
VI,
92-94, 108-109, 186, 208, 239; vol. V
II, 462, 466, 517; vol. XV
, 699 C
onn
ell, C. L
. (Mrs.), vol. X
I, 379-381 C
onn
elly, Joan (M
iss), vol. I, 265-266, 282-283
Con
nor, P
eter Fran
cis: A
ffidavit, vol. V
III, 317 R
eferred to, voL
VIII, 288
Con
rad. Ivan
W., vol. III. 476
Con
sidin
e. Bob
, voL II, 88; voL
XI,
419, 440 C
onw
ay. Herm
an, vol. V
III, 121 C
onw
ay, Hiram
L., vol. V
III. 90 C
onw
ay. Hiram
P.:
Testim
ony, vol. V
III, 84-90 R
eferred to, vol. X
I, 84 C
onw
ay, Hiram
P. (M
rs.). vol. VIII,
86, 88 C
ook. D
ickerson
, voL X
I, 855 C
ook, Joe, voL
XIII, 378 ; voL
XIV
, 60 C
ooke. L
eon, vol. X
III. 71; vol XIV
, 419-420, 445
Cook
sey, Lee, vaL
XIII, 417
Cooley, S
herm
an, vol. V
III, 303; voL
XI, Ill
Corb
at, S
tan
ley. v
ol. X
IV, 1
76430,
183-184, 190-191, 193 C
orday, M
ickey, vol. X
III, 415 C
orn
wa
ll, F. L
. vo
L X
II, 74
. 79
, 81
, 160, 185, 198-199. 293, 387
Corp
orom Joh
n, affid
avit, voL X
I, 471 C
orrigan. L
eo, vol. IX. 18
Cou
ch, M
alcolm 0.:
Testim
ony, vol. V
I, 153-162 R
eferred to, vol. II, 162; vol. IV
, 163 C
oulon
, Elton
J., vol. XII, 260
Cou
lter, Harris:
Testim
ony, vol. V
, 408-410 R
eferred to, voL
V, 404, 413
Cou
nter, C
harles, voL
XIV
, 98 C
ourtn
ey, Ken
t, voL X
V, 720-721
Cou
rtney, K
ent (M
rs.). vol. XV
. 721 C
owzert, D
avey, vol. VI, 240-241
Cox, Jim
my, vol. I, 245, 259
Co
x, R
ola
nd
A., testim
on
y, v
ol X
V,
153-159 C
oxsey, J. L., vol. X
IV, 36
Crafard
, Alice Iren
e, vol. XIII, 403
Crafard
, Alice L
aLain
e, vol. XIII, 404
Crafard
, Cu
rtis LaV
erne (L
arry) T
estimon
y, vol. XIII, 402-506 ; vol.
XIV
, 1-05 R
eferred to
, vol. I, 2
39, 4
36; v
oL
II. 296; voL
III, 05 ; vol. V, 188,
Cra
fard
, Ca
rus L
aV
erne (L
arry
)- C
ontlnned R
eferred to, voL
XIII-C
ontin
ued
207-208, 237-238, 251-252, 255, 327-329. 334-339, 343, 346-348, 352, 376-377 ; vol. X
IV, 148, 218-
20. 2
23-2
24, 2
27, 2
99. 3
08, 4
06.
43
3, 4
69
, 56
7; v
ol. X
V, 4
1. 1
03
. 335, 341, 413, 415, 455, 494, 517. 847-648, 661
Crafard, E
dward D
., voL X
III, 403, 414 C
rafard, Gary H
arold, voL X
III, 404 C
rafarcl. Hu
gh, vol. X
III, 403 C
raft, I. M., voL
IV, 277
Craig, R
oger D.:
Testim
ony, vol. V
I, 280-273 R
eferred to, voL IV
, 245; vol. V11,404
Cran
ks. Joh
nn
y, voL X
IV, 502
Craven
. Bob
, vol. XIII, 416-419, 497;
vol. XIV
, 91 C
rawford
. James N
.: T
estimon
y, vol. VI, 171-174
Referred
to, vol. VI, 175-176
Craw
ford. John IL, vol. X
IV. 61, 286
Craw
ford, Thom
as W., vol X
V, 241
Creel. R
obert J., affidavit, vol. XI, 477
Cren
shaw
, Dr. C
harles, vol. V
I, 31-82, 40, 80, 80-81, 141
Cren
shaw
, P. L
., vol. XII, 214
Cresp
i. Pio (M
rs.). voL IX
, 13, 19 C
rIssey, Ed
gar, vol. V, 505
Cronkite, W
alter, vol. XI, 243, 246-248
Crossley, T
aylor, vol. XIV
. 451 C
rowe, W
illiam 1)., Jr.:
Testim
ony, voL
XV
. 96-114 R
eferred to
, vo
l. V, 1
83
; vo
L X
I, 422; voL
XIII, 219, 343, 368469,
376, 427, 499; voL X
IV, 12-13, 51,
67..1
09, 1
31-1
32, 4
67; v
oL
XV
, 201, 280, 426, 725-726
Crow
e, William
D., III, vol. X
V. 97
Crow
ley, James D
., affidavit, vol. X
I, 482
Croy, K
enneth Hudson :
Testim
ony, vol. X
II, 186-206 R
eferred to, voL
XIII, 381-382, 384
Cron, E
lgin : T
estimon
y, vol. XV
, 138-145 R
eferred to
, vol. IV
, 159; v
ol. V
, 239; vol. V
II, 477, 481-482, 484; vol. X
II, 27, 39 ; vol. XV
, 350 C
rum
p, Joh
n E
., vol. XI, 185-189
Cru
mp
, L. C
., vol. XII, 88, 139
Cram
pton
, Ralp
h, vol. X
V, 537
Cruz, M
iguel, vol. X, 37, 53
Cu
aka, Joh
n, vol. V
III, 301 C
ugat, X
avier, vol. XIV
, 291 C
ullum, A
. W., vol. IV
, 336 ; vol. VII, 331
Coale, Jerry, voL
V, 189
Cunningham
, Cortlandt :
Testim
ony, voL
II, 251-253; vol. III JR
1_ms
vtv
801
"How
did
the p
ractitioner w
ho sig
ned
the d
eath certificate o
f the P
residen
t fail to
take th
e trou
ble to
turn
him
ov
er?" O
f course
, that re
fers to
you a
nd w
ill you g
ive m
e y
our a
nsw
er to
that
qu
estion
, as the n
ews m
edia h
as po
sed it?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. Qu
ite simp
ly, as I p
reciou
sly stated
, the d
uratio
n o
f time th
e P
residen
t was aliv
e was o
ccup
ied b
y attem
pts to
flare his life. W
hen
these
failed, fu
rther ex
amin
ation
of th
e patien
t's bo
dy
was n
ot d
on
e, as it was felt
that little co
uld
be g
ained
or learn
ed th
at wo
uld
be h
elpfu
l in d
ecidin
g th
e co
urse o
f even
ts leadin
g u
p to
his assassin
ation
, that is, ex
amin
ation
by
me, as
I knew
a
n au
top
sy w
ou
ld b
e perfo
rmed
wh
ich w
ou
ld b
e far mo
re mean
ing
ful
and
revealin
g th
an an
y cu
rsory
extern
al exam
inatio
n co
nd
ucted
in th
e emer-
gen
cy ro
om
by
me.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Now
, was the action taken by you in signing the death certificate
based
up
on
the ex
amin
ation
wh
ich y
ou
mad
e in acco
rdan
ce with
what y
ou
believed to be good medical practice?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. Yes, sir.
Mr. S
PE
CT
EP
.. So
that th
e characterizatio
n h
ere of "L
' Ex
press" th
at the
failure to
turn
the P
residen
t over w
ould
not co
nstitu
te gro
ss neg
ligen
ce in y
our
pro
fessional Ju
dgm
ent, as th
ey h
ave ch
aracterized it h
ere. D
r. CL
AR
K. N
o, sir. O
ne o
ther p
oin
t, If I may
here?
Mr. S
pices&
Yes.
Dr. C
LA
RK
. In o
rder to
move th
e Presid
ent's b
ody to
Beth
esda w
here th
e au
topsy
was to
be p
erform
ed, a d
eath certificate h
ad to
be filled
out in
confo
rm-
ance w
ith T
exas S
tate
law
to a
llow
the b
ody to
be tra
nsp
orte
d. T
his is th
e
secon
d p
art of th
e sign
ing
of th
e death
certificate. M
r. Srscv
sat. Do
yo
u h
ave an
yth
ing
to ad
d. D
r. Clark
, which
you th
ink m
ight
be h
elpfu
l at all in th
e inquiry
bein
g m
ade b
y th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. NO
; I do
n't th
ink
so
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And did you and I chat for Just a m
oment or tw
o about the ques-tio
ns I w
ould
ask y
ou o
n th
is supplem
ental d
epositio
n b
efore it w
ent o
n th
e reco
rd?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. Yes, sir.
Mr. S
eeere
a„ A
nd
hav
e y
ou
talk
ed
to a
ny
rep
rese
nta
tive o
f the F
ed
era
l G
overn
men
t betw
een th
e time I to
ok y
our d
epositio
n last S
aturd
ay an
d th
is W
ednesd
ay m
orn
ing?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. No, air.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Thank you very m
uch, Dr. C
lark. D
r. CL
AR
E. A
ll right.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Have you received a letter from
the Com
mission w
hich enclosed a co
py
of th
e Ex
ecutiv
e ord
er creating
the C
om
missio
n, an
d a co
py
of th
e C
ongressio
nal R
esolu
tion p
ertainin
g to
the C
om
missio
n, an
d a co
py o
f the p
ro-
cedVres for taking testim
ony under the Com
mission?
Dr. W
ets:LI-ken. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd is it satisfacto
ry w
ith y
ou to
answ
er these q
uestio
ns fo
r u
s tod
ay, ev
en th
ou
gh
yo
u h
aven
't had
the 3
day
s betw
een th
e time o
f the
receipt o
f the letter an
d to
day
? D
r. MC
CL
EL
LA
ND
. Yes.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What is your profession, D
octor? D
r. MC
CL
EL
LA
ND
. I am a doctor of m
edicine. M
r. &T
enn
. Wo
uld
yo
u o
utlin
e briefly
yo
ur ed
ucatio
nal b
ackg
rou
nd
, start-in
g w
ith y
ou
r grad
uatio
n fro
m co
llege, p
lease? D
r. Mo
Cu
ril.a.en S
ince g
raduatio
n fro
m co
llege I atten
ded
med
ical school
at the U
niv
ersity o
f Tex
as, med
ical bran
ch in
Galv
eston
, Tex
., and
received
the
M.D
. degree from
that sch
ool in
1954. I th
en w
ent to
Kan
sas City
, Kan
s., where
I did
a rotatin
g in
ternsh
ip at th
e Univ
ersity o
f Kan
sas Med
ical Cen
ter from
Ju
ne 1
95
4 to
Jun
e 19
55
. Fo
llow
ing
that p
eriod
I was a g
eneral m
edical o
fficer in
the A
ir Force fo
r 2 y
ears in G
erman
y, an
d su
bseq
uen
t to m
y release fro
m
active d
uty
, I becam
e a gen
eral surg
ery resid
ent at P
arklan
d M
emorial H
os-
pital in
Dallas in
Au
gu
st of 1
95
7. I rem
ained
at Park
land
from
that d
ate to
August 1
959, at w
hich
time I en
tered p
rivate p
ractice for ten
month
s, and
then
reentered
my g
eneral su
rgery
trainin
g p
rogram
at Park
land in
Tune 1
960.
I com
pleted
my
4 y
ears of g
eneral su
rgical train
ing in
June 1
962. F
ollo
win
g
that tim
e I becam
e a full-tim
e instru
ctor o
f surg
ery o
n th
e staff of th
e Cal-
versity
of T
exas, S
outh
western
Med
ical Sch
ool, an
d I am
at the p
resent tim
e an associa,ter; ~
rr~sS
y~
~~
su
rger,Ia
ls,0
0l.
air. SP
EC
TE
R. D
r. McC
lelland, in
connectio
n w
ith y
our d
uti ss at P
arklan
d
Ho
spital, o
r befo
re, hav
e yo
u h
ad an
y ex
perien
ce with
gu
nsh
ot w
ou
nd
s? D
r. McC
r...ermarre. Y
es. M
r, SP
EC
TE
R. W
here in
your b
ackgrclan
d d
id y
ou acq
uire th
at experien
ce? D
r. Mcan
uaen
. Larg
ely d
urin
g resid
ency
trainin
g an
d su
bseq
uen
t to th
at in
my cap
acity h
ere on th
e staff. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd w
hat h
as pro
vid
ed th
e opportu
nity
for y
our ex
perien
ce here at P
arklan
d in
residen
cy train
ing an
d o
n th
e staff with
respect to
acquirin
g
know
ledge o
f gunsh
aL..,v
ds?
Dr. M
eCrx
mirrin
. Larg
ely tth
is has b
een related
to th
e type o
f hosp
ital which
P
arklan
d is; n
amely
, City
-Cm
-fifty H
osp
ital wh
ich receiv
es all of th
e ind
igen
t p
atients o
f this co
un
ty, m
any
of o
m are in
vo
lved
frequ
ently
in sh
oo
ting
alterca-tio
ns, so
that w
e d
o se
e a
tar e
ura
kezA
tha,t.ty
pe„,p
atA
ten
t.Eq
e,PA
7-
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Could
you ap
pro
xim
ate for m
e the to
tal num
ber o
f gunsh
ot
wounds w
hich you have had an opportunity to observe? D
r. McC
inu
..aren. I w
ou
ld estim
ate that it w
ou
ld b
e in ex
cess of 2
00
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat w
as yo
ur d
uty
assign
men
t back
on
No
vem
ber 2
2, 1
98
3?
Dr. M
eC
tsziA
xn. A
t that tim
e I w
as sh
ow
in a
ntA
le,tech
niq
ues
to a g
rou
p o
f stud
ents an
d resid
ents o
n
a se
con o
or'o
f Parklan
d H
osp
ital in
the su
rgical su
ite, wh
ere .. I was n
otified
. ot.44,t&rtA
ig,,Ezegdgo K
enned
y
was b
eing
bro
ug
ht to
the P
irl—IM
euiiiiItg
ency
roo
m after h
avin
g b
een sh
ot.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
hat action, if any, did you take following that notification?
Dr. M
ean:m
as). Imm
ediately
up
on
hearin
g th
at, I accom
pan
ied th
e Resi-
den
t, Dr. C
rensh
aw, w
ho
bro
ug
ht th
is new
s to m
e, to th
e emerg
ency
mo
m, an
d
dow
n to
the trau
ma ro
om
1 .w
here P
residen
t Ken
ned
y h
ad
been tak
en im
-m
ediately
up
on
arrival.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And ap
pro
xim
ately w
hat tim
e did
you arriv
e in E
merg
ency
R
oom 1?
Dr. lifeC
tkm
artn. T
his is a m
ere appro
xim
ation, b
ut I w
ould
appro
xim
ate o
r estimate, rath
er, abo
ut 1
2:4
0.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d w
ho
was p
resent, if an
yo
ne, at th
e time o
f yo
ur arriv
al? D
r. MC
CL
EL
LA
.R D
. At th
e time I arriv
ed, D
r. Perry
—w
ould
you lik
e the fu
ll n
ames o
f all these?
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. That w
ould be fine, I would appreciate that_
TE
ST
IMO
NY
OF
DR
. RO
BE
RT
NE
LS
ON
MeC
LE
LL
AN
D
Th
e testimo
ny o
f Dr. R
ob
ert Nelso
n M
cClellan
d w
as tak
en o
n M
arch 2
1, 1
964,
at Park
land M
emorial H
osp
ital, Dallas, T
ex., b
y M
r. Arlen
Specter, assistan
t co
un
sel of th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Will you raise your right hand?
Dr. ld
eCret L
een. Y
es. M
r. Seiteav
at. Do
yo
u so
lemn
ly sw
ear that th
e testimo
ny
yo
u g
ive in
these
pro
ceedin
gs w
ill be th
e truth
, the w
hole tru
th, an
d n
oth
ing b
ut th
e truth
, so
help
yo
u G
od
? D
r. MeC
r at r to
rn. I d
o.
Mr. S
PE
CT
'ER
. Dr. M
cClellan
d, th
e pu
rpo
se of th
is pro
ceedin
g is to
take y
ou
r d
epo
sition
In co
nn
ection
with
an in
vestig
ation
wh
ich is b
eing
con
du
cted b
y
the P
residen
t's Com
missio
n o
n th
e Assassin
ation o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y, an
d
the sp
ecific purp
ose o
f our req
uestin
g y
ou to
answ
er questio
ns relates to
the
topic, o
f the m
ed
ical c
are
wh
ich
Pre
siden
t Ken
ned
y re
ceiv
ed
at P
ark
lan
d
Mem
orial H
osp
ital. D
r. McC
lelland, w
ill you tell as y
our fu
ll nam
e for th
e record
, please?
Dr. Illcazr.L
azen. R
ob
ert Nelso
n M
cClellan
d.
30
"Ho
w d
id th
e practitio
ner w
ho
sign
ed th
e death
certificate of th
e Presid
ent
fail to tak
e the tro
ub
le to tu
rn h
im o
ver?"
Of c
ou
rse, th
at re
fers to
yo
u a
nd
will y
ou
giv
e m
e y
ou
r an
swer to
that
qu
estion
, as the n
ews m
edia h
as po
sed it?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. Quite sim
ply
, as I prev
iously
stated, th
e duratio
n o
f thee th
e P
residen
t was aliv
e was o
ccupied
by attem
pts to
save h
is life. When
these
failed, fu
rther ex
amin
ation
of th
e patien
t's bo
dy
was n
ot d
on
e, as It was felt
that little co
uld
be g
ained
or learn
ed th
at wo
uld
be h
elpfu
l in d
ecidin
g th
e co
urse o
f even
ts leadin
g u
p to
his assassin
ation, th
at is, exam
inatio
n b
y m
e, as I k
new
an au
topsy
would
be p
erform
ed w
hich
would
be far m
ore m
eanin
gfu
l an
d rev
ealing
than
any
curso
ry ex
ternal ex
amin
ation
con
du
cted in
the em
er-g
ency
roo
m b
y m
e. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. N
ow, w
as the action taken by you in signing the death certificate b
ased u
po
n th
e exam
inatio
n w
hich
yo
u m
ade in
accord
ance w
ith w
hat y
ou
believed to be good m
edical practice? D
r. CL
AR
E. Y
ea, sir. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. S
o th
at the ch
aracterization h
ere of "L
' Express" th
at the
failure to
turn
the P
residen
t over w
ould
not co
nstitu
te gro
ss neg
ligen
ce in y
our
pro
fessional ju
dgm
ent, as th
ey h
ave ch
aracterized it h
ere. D
r. CL
AIM
. No, sir. O
ne o
ther p
oin
t, if I may
here?
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Yes.
Dr. C
LA
RK
. In o
rder to
mo
ve th
e Presid
ent's b
od
y to
Beth
esda w
here th
e au
topsy
was to
be p
erform
ed, a d
eath certificate h
ad to
be filled
out in
confo
rm.
ance w
ith T
exas S
tate law to
allow
the b
od
y to
be tran
spo
rted. T
his is th
e seco
nd
part o
f the sig
nin
g o
f the d
eath certificate.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Do y
ou h
ave an
yth
ing to
add, D
r. Clark
. which
you th
ink m
ight
be h
elpfu
l at all in th
e inq
uiry
bein
g m
ade b
y th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. No I d
on't th
ink so
. M
r. SPEC
TE
R.
And d
id y
ou an
d I ch
at for ju
st a mom
ent o
r two ab
out th
e ques-
tion
s I wo
uld
ask y
ou
on
this su
pp
lemen
tal dep
ositio
n b
efore it w
ent o
n th
e reco
rd?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. Yes, sir.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d h
ave y
ou
talked
to an
y rep
resentativ
e of th
e Fed
eral G
ov
ernm
ent b
etween
the tim
e I too
k y
ou
r dep
ositio
n last S
aturd
ay an
d th
is W
ednesd
ay m
orn
ing?
Dr. C
LA
RK
. No, air.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Thank you very m
uch, Dr. C
lark. D
r. CL
AR
K. A
ll right.
TE
ST
IMO
NY
OF
DR
. RO
BE
RT
NE
LS
ON
McC
LE
LL
A,N
D
Th
e testimon
y o
f Dr. R
ob
ert Nelso
n M
cClellan
d w
as taken
on
March
21
, 19
64
. at P
arklan
d M
emorial H
osp
ital, Dallas, T
ex., b
y M
r. Arlen
Specter, assistan
t co
un
sel of th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. W
ill yo
u raise y
ou
r righ
t han
d?
Dr. M
cCta.t.L
Arrn, Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
o y
ou so
lemnly
swear th
at the testim
ony y
ou g
ive In
these
pro
ceedin
gs w
ill be th
e truth
, the w
hole tru
th, an
d n
oth
ing b
ut th
e truth
, so
help
yo
u G
od
? D
r. McC
LE
LL
AN
D. I do.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Dr. M
cClellan
d, th
e pu
rpo
se of th
is pro
ceedin
g is to
take your
dep
ositio
n in
con
nectio
n w
ith an
inv
estigatio
n w
hich
is bein
g co
nd
ucted
by
th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n o
n th
e Assassin
ation o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y, an
d
the sp
ecific pu
rpo
se of o
ur req
uestin
g y
ou
to an
swer q
uestio
ns relates to
the
topic
of th
e m
edic
al c
are
whic
h P
resid
ent K
ennedy re
ceiv
ed a
t Park
land
Mem
orial H
osp
ital. D
r. McC
lelland, w
ill you tell u
s your fu
ll nam
e for th
e record
, please?
Dr. M
cCtim
tzen. R
ob
ert Nelso
n M
cClellan
d.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Have you received a letter from
the Com
mission w
hich enclose a co
py o
f the E
xecu
tive o
rder creatin
g th
e Com
missio
n, an
d a co
py o
f th
Congressio
nal R
esolu
tion p
ertainin
g to
the C
om
missio
n, an
d a co
py o
f the p
n
cedUres for taking testim
ony under the Com
mission?
Dr. 11cC
tztt.Arfn. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd is it satisfacto
ry w
ith y
ou to
answ
er these q
uestio
ns fo
us
tod
ay, ev
en th
ou
gh
yo
u h
aven
't had
the 3
day
s betw
een th
e time o
f th
receipt o
f the letter an
d to
day
? D
r. MC
CLELLA
ND
. Yes.
Mr. SPEcTF..R
. Wh
at is yo
ur p
rofessio
n, D
octo
r? D
r. McC
lam-A
ND
. I am a doctor of m
edicine. M
r. Srzarza. W
ould
you o
utlin
e briefly
your ed
ucatio
nal b
ackgro
und, star
ing w
ith y
our g
raduatio
n fro
m co
llege, p
lease? D
r. Mo
e=
Lasn. S
ince g
radu
ation
from
colleg
e I attend
ed m
edical sch
m
at th
e Univ
ersity o
f Tex
as, med
ical bran
ch in
Galv
eston, T
ex., an
d receiv
ed tb
M
.D. d
egree fro
m th
at scho
ol in
19
54
. I then
went to
Kan
sas City
, Kan
s., wh
et I d
id a ro
tating
intern
ship
at the U
niv
ersity o
f Kan
sas Med
ical Cen
ter fro:
June 1
04 to
June 1
955. F
ollo
win
g th
at perio
d I w
as a gen
eral med
ical °filet in
the A
ir Force fo
r 2 y
ears in G
erman
y, an
d su
bseq
uen
t to m
y release fro
: active d
uty
, I becam
e a gen
eral surg
ery resid
ent at P
arklan
d M
emo
rial Ho
p
ital in D
allas in A
ug
ust o
f 19
57
. I remain
ed at P
arklan
d fro
m th
at date I
August 1
959, a
t wh
ich
time I e
nte
red
priv
ate
pra
ctic
e fo
r ten
mo
nth
s, at
then
reentered
my g
eneral su
rgery
trainin
g p
rogram
at Park
land in
June 1
96
I com
pleted
my 4
years o
f gen
eral surgical trainin
g in
Jun
e 19
62
. Fo
llow
!' th
at time I b
ecame a fu
ll-time in
structo
r of su
rgery
on th
e staff of th
e Un
versity
of T
exas, S
ou
thw
estern M
edical S
cho
ol, an
d I am
at the p
resent tin
an
associa0
prg
esga_
,dju
rgag
Atilat..,aelo
ol.
Srr.
SPEC
TE
R.
Dr. M
cClellan
d, in
connectio
n w
ith y
our d
uti. at P
arklaz
Hosp
ital, or b
efore, h
ave y
ou h
ad an
y ex
perien
ce with
gunsh
ot w
ounds?
Dr. licC
i-ett-Aw
n. Yes.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Where in
your b
ackgrd
und d
id y
ou acq
uire th
at experien
ce D
r. McC
irri &en
. Larg
ely d
urin
g resid
ency
trainin
g an
d su
bseq
uen
t to th
. In
my
capacity
here o
n th
e staff. M
r. SpEC
TFIL An
d w
hat h
as pro
vid
ed th
e op
po
rtun
ity fo
r yo
ur ex
perien
here at P
arklan
d in
residen
cy train
ing an
d o
n th
e staff with
respect to
acquiril
kn
ow
ledg
e of g
un
sliat_5
ysait?
Dr. M
cCtzt-n
Aiiii. L
argely
this h
as been
related to
the ty
pe o
f hosp
ital whb
Park
land
is; nam
ely, C
ity-C
oan s ty
Ho
spital w
hich
receives all o
f the In
dig
o
patien
ts of th
is county
, man
y o
f Aom
are involv
ed freq
uen
tly in
shootin
g alter[
Lio
ns, so
that w
e do see a 1
2 .131,- c
:5m
beo
f ,t,11A0
Site.4
24,141 4...alm
oat.„All,y.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Co
uld
yo
u ap
pro
xim
ate for m
e the to
tal nu
mb
er of g
imsb
w
ounds which you have had an opportunity to observe?
Dr. M
CC
LELLAN
D. I w
ould
estimate th
at it would
be in
excess o
f 200.
Mr.
SPECTER
. What w
as your d
uty
assignm
ent b
ack o
n N
ovem
ber 2
2, 1
913
Dr. M
cCIE
LL
AN
D. A
t that tim
e I was sh
ow
inz .a
Atioajw
technlqu to
a gro
up
of stu
den
ts and
residen
ts on
ti se..ott iio
r'..of P
arklan
d H
osp
il in
the su
rgical su
ite, wh
ere I was n
otified
.of th
e,factl.hip
a,EzesiA
tat Ken
ne
was b
eing
bro
ught to
tice'Ve-rw il"iitrih
Terg
encfro
om
after hav
ing
been
sho
t. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd what action, if any, d
id y
ou
take fo
llow
ing
that n
otificatlo
D
r. Meet-M
LA
:gm
. Imm
ediately
upon h
earing th
at, I accom
pan
ied th
e Re
den
t, Dr. C
rensh
aw, w
ho b
rought th
is new
s to m
e, to th
e emerg
ency
room
, a dow
n to
the trau
ma ro
om
1 w
here P
residen
t Ken
ned
y h
ad b
een tak
en
med
iately u
po
n arriv
al. M
r. SP
EC
TIM
. An
d ap
pro
xim
ately w
hat tim
e did
yo
u arriv
e in E
merg
e! R
oom 1?
Dr. M
cCL
EL
LA
ND
. This Is a m
ere appro
xim
ation, b
ut I w
ould
appro
xim
: or estim
ate, rather, ab
out 1
2:4
0.
Mr.
SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd w
ho w
as presen
t, if anyone, at th
e time o
f your arrir
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. A
t the tim
e I arrived
, Dr. P
erry—
wo
uld
yo
u lik
e the f
nam
es of all th
ese? M
r. SpErT
ER
. That w
ould be fine. I would appreciate that.
I
I
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. D
r. Malcolm
Perry, D
r. Charles B
axter, Dr. C
harles Cron.
shaw
, Dr. Jam
es Carrico
, Dr. P
aul P
eters. - -v--M
r. Sin, T
Ir -nlart4: 4
key
all presen
t at the tim
e you arriv
ed?
Dr. M
cCtE
ttsofn
. They
we
t presen
t when
I arrived
.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Will-yen
- .titebtlesicluN
iie're' Rese
nt?
Dr. M
cCizr-tsisa. S
tarting w
ith th
e ones w
ho w
ere presen
t, I'm so
rry, th
e
ones w
ho w
ere presen
t when
I arrived
were D
rs. Carrico
, Perry
and B
axter.
The o
thers I m
entio
ned
arrived
subseq
uen
tly o
r about th
e same tim
e that I d
id.
Mr.
SPEC
TE
R. T
hen
, wh
at o
ther d
octo
rs, if an
y, a
rrived
afte
r yo
u d
id, in
addition to those whom
you have already mentioned?
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. In
additio
n, th
e ones th
at arrived
afterward
s, were D
r.
Ken
neth
Sal
""" SrrS
-icio
_s. S
-a-l-y
-e-r2
D
r. McC
fvf T
AN
I) S-a-l-y
-e-r, Dr. F
ouad
, F-o
-u-a-d
Bash
our, D
r. Donald
Set-
din
—
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. S-e-l-d-i-n?
Dr. M
cCf F
r T &
ND
. S-e-l-d-i-n—
I believe that's all. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat d
id y
ou o
bserv
e as to P
residen
t Ken
ned
y's co
nditio
n at
that tim
e? D
r. MC
CL
EL
LA
ND
. Well, on initially com
ing into the room and inspecting him
from
a d
istance o
f only
2 o
r 3 fe
et a
s I put o
n a
pair o
f surg
ical g
loves, it
was o
bvio
us th
at he h
ad su
stained
a pro
bab
ly m
ortal h
ead in
jury
, and th
at
his face w
as extrem
ely sw
ollen
and su
ffused
with
blo
od ap
peared
cyan
otic —
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. "Cyan
otic" —
may
I interru
pt—
just w
hat d
o y
ou m
ean b
y th
at in
lay term
s? D
r. McC
rvf.r.4
Nn. T
his m
ean b
luish
disco
loratio
n, b
luish
-black
disco
loratio
n
of th
e tissue. T
he ey
es were so
mew
hat p
rotu
beran
t, which
is usu
ally seen
after massiv
e head
Inju
ries den
otin
g in
creased in
tracranial p
ressure, an
d it
seemed
that h
e perh
aps w
as not m
akin
g, at th
e time at least, sp
ontan
eous resp
i-
ratory
movem
ents, b
ut w
as receivin
g artificial resp
iration fro
m a m
achin
e, an
anesth
esia mach
ine.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Who w
as operating that machine?
Dr. M
cCL
EL
LA
:sn. The m
achine—there w
as a changeover, just as I came in, one
of th
e docto
rs in th
e room
, I don't recall w
hich
one, h
ad b
een o
peratin
g w
hat
we call an
interm
ittent p
ositiv
e pressu
re breath
ing m
achin
e. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
ad th
at mach
ine b
een u
tilized p
rior to
your arriv
al?
Dr. M
cetEL
LA
ND
. It was in
use as I arriv
ed, y
es, and ab
out th
e same tim
e I
arrived
—th
is would
be o
ne o
ther d
octo
r who cam
e in th
e room
that I fo
rgot
about—
Dr. Jen
kin
s, M. T
. Jenkin
s, pro
fessor o
f anesth
esiolo
gy, cam
e into
the ro
om
with
a larger an
esthesia m
achin
e, which
is a better ty
pe m
achin
e
with
which
to m
aintain
contro
l of resp
iration, an
d th
is was
then
attached
to
the tu
be in
the P
residen
t's tracheo
tom
; anyw
ay, resp
iratory
movem
ents w
ere
bein
g m
ade fo
r him
with
these tw
o m
achin
es, which
were in
the p
rocess o
f
being changed when I cam
e in. T
hen, a
s I took m
y p
ost to
help
with
the tra
cheoto
my, I w
as sta
ndin
g a
t
the e
nd o
f the stre
tcher o
n w
hic
h th
e P
resid
ent w
as ly
ing, im
media
te' a
t
his
for p
urp
oses o
f hold
ing a trach
eoto
m, o
r a retractory
c - fie
.
r. SPEC
TE
R.
What d
id y
ou o
bserv
e, if anyth
ing, as to
the statu
s of th
e neck
wound w
hen
you first arriv
ed?
Dr. M
cCuna.A
sm. T
he n
eck w
ound, w
hen
I first arrived
, was at th
is time
converted
Into
a tracheo
tom
y in
cision. T
he ak
in in
cision h
ad b
een m
ade b
y
Dr. P
erry, an
d h
e told
me—
although I d
id n
ot see th
at —th
at he h
ad m
ade th
e
Incisio
n th
rol
.wu
ighie
jz=
a, s
situ
tzlz
t: tIlti,,,p2A
.,sparle
ter
cut, alth
ou
gh
som
ewhat irreg
ular m
argin
s of less th
an a q
uarter in
ch itt d
ispneter,
with
min
imal tisan
eAlam
age su
rroundin
g it o
rairsktfr.
-MT
—% S
icerEs. N
ow
, was th
ere anyth
ing lift' fo
r you to
observ
e of th
at bullet
wound, o
r bad
the In
cision o
bliterated
it? D
r. NIcC
ut.t.s.0
0. T
he in
cision h
ad o
bliterated
it. essentially
, the sk
in p
ortio
n,
that is. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. B
efore p
roceed
ing to
describ
e what y
ou d
id in
connectio
n w
ith
the trach
eosto
my, w
ill you m
ore fu
lly d
escribe y
our o
bserv
ation w
ith resp
ect to
the h
ead w
ound?
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. A
s I took th
e positio
n at th
e head
of th
e table th
at I hav
e-1
already d
escribed
,, to h
elp o
ut w
ith th
e tracheo
tom
y, I ,w
asin su
ch,a,p
ositio
n
thiL
Lso
uld
yea o
lose,ly
,-,axam
ine-th
e:head
. wound, an
d J. n
oted
that th
e-rig
ht
posterio
r portio
n o
f the sk
ull b
ad b
een.ex
tremely
blasted. It bad
been
shut-
feTtfir,-
appare'ntly-, by 1 e
feerg
ir the -sh
ot so
that th
e parietal b
one w
as pro
-
truded
up th
rough th
e scalp an
d seem
ed to
be fractu
red alm
ost alo
ng its rig
ht
poste
rior h
alf, a
s well a
s som
e o
f the o
ccip
ital b
one b
ein
g fra
ctu
red in
its
lateral half, an
d th
is spru
ng o
pen
the b
ones th
at I men
tioned
in su
ch a w
ay
that y
ou c
ould
actu
ally
look d
ow
n in
to th
e sk
ull c
avity
itself a
nd se
e th
at
pro
bab
ly a th
ird o
r so, at least, o
f the b
rain tissu
e, posterio
r cerebral tissu
e and
som
e of th
e cerebellar tissu
e had
been
blasted
out T
here w
as a large am
ount
of b
leedin
g w
hich
was o
ccurrin
g m
ainly
from
the larg
e ven
ous ch
annels in
the
skull which had been blasted open.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Was he alive at the tim
e you first saw him
? D
r. MC
CL
EL
LA
ND
. I really co
uld
n't say
, becau
se as I men
tioned
In th
e hectic
activity
—I really
could
n't say
what h
is blo
od p
ressure w
as or w
hat h
is pulse
was o
r anyth
ing o
f that so
rt. The o
nly
thin
g I co
uld
say th
at would
perh
aps
giv
e evid
ence—
this is n
ot v
ital activity
—at m
ost, is th
at may
be h
e mad
e one
or tw
o sp
ontan
eous resp
iratory
movem
ents b
ut it w
ould
be d
ifficult to
say, sin
ce
the m
achin
e was b
eing u
sed o
n h
im, w
heth
er these w
ere true sp
ontan
eous resp
ira-
tions or not, M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ould
you n
ow
describ
e the activ
ity an
d p
art that y
ou p
er-
form
ed in
the treatm
ent w
hich
follo
wed
your arriv
al?
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. T
ea ; as I say, all I d
id w
as simply
assist Dr. P
erry an
d
Dr. B
aite
r in d
oin
g th
e tra
cheoto
my. A
ll thre
e o
f us w
ork
ed to
geth
er in
mak
ing an
incisio
n in
the n
eck, tractin
g th
e neck
muscles o
ut o
f the w
ay, an
d
mak
ing a sm
all open
ing in
to th
e trachea n
ear the sp
ot w
here..th
e,trachea4
ad
already b
een b
lasted o
r tern o
w.s.+
_1
31
.,the frag
friEltriff th
e:bu
llet, and
insertin
g
alrerge-ersetifft"frerd
gatiW
itiba. in
to th
is hole
, and a
fter th
is the b
reath
ing
14;
apparatu
s was attach
ed to
this in
stead o
f the p
revio
us tu
be w
hich
had
been
placed here. M
r. SPE
CT
ER
. In c
onductin
g th
at o
pera
tion, d
id y
ou o
bse
rve a
ny in
terio
r
dam
age to
the P
residen
t? D
r. McC
utu
.srrn. Y
es. M
r. SpE
cTE
R. W
ill you describe that for me, please?
Dr. M
cCtE
ttertn. T
hat d
amag
e consisted
main
ly o
f a large am
ount o
f con-
tusio
n an
d b
emato
mu fo
rmatio
n in
the tissu
e lateral to th
e right sid
e of th
e
trachea a
nd th
e sw
ellin
g a
nd b
leedin
g a
round th
is site w
as to
such e
xte
nt
that th
e trachea w
as som
ewhat d
eviated
to th
e left side, n
ot a g
reat deal, b
ut to
a deg
ree at least that it req
uired
partial cu
tting o
f som
e of th
e neck
muscles in
ord
er to g
et good en
ough ex
posu
re to put in
the trach
eoto
my tu
be, b
ut th
ere was
a good d
eal of so
ft tissue d
amag
e and d
amag
e to th
e trachea itself w
here ap
par-
ently
the m
issile had
gone b
etween
the trach
ea on th
e right sid
e and th
e strap
fallacies which w
ere applied closely to It M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat o
ther treatm
ent w
as giv
en to
Presid
ent K
enned
y at th
e
time y
ou w
ere perfo
rmin
g th
e pro
cedures y
ou h
ave ju
st describ
ed?
Dr. M
cCtE
marro
. To th
e best o
f my k
now
ledge, th
e oth
er treatmen
t had
consisted
of th
e placem
ent o
f cutd
ow
n sites in
his ex
tremities, n
amely
, the m
ak-
ing o
f incisio
ns o
ver larg
e vein
s in th
e arms an
d, I b
elieve, in
the leg
; how
ever,
I'm n
ot su
re about th
at, since I w
as not p
ayin
g to
o m
uch
attentio
n to
that p
art
of th
e activity
, and larg
e plastic tu
bes w
ere placed
into
these v
ein
s for th
e
giv
ing o
f blo
od an
d flu
ids, an
d as I recall, h
e received
a certain am
ou
nt o
f blo
od
,
but I d
on't k
now
exactly
how
much
, since I w
as not actu
ally g
ivin
g th
e blo
od.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Do y
ou recall w
heth
er he d
escribed
It any m
ore p
recisely th
an
that? D
r. McC
urt-teran
. He d
id n
ot at th
at time.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Has h
e ever d
escribed
it any m
ore p
recisely fo
r you?
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. H
e has since that time.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. And w
hat d
escriptio
n h
as he g
iven
of it sin
ce that tim
e?
Dr. M
cCu
rmtarfn
. As w
ell as I can recall, th
e descrip
tion th
at he g
ave w
as
R9 I h
ave ju
st describ
ed, th
at It was a v
ery sm
all inju
ry, w
ith clear
33
cut, alth
ough so
mew
hat irreg
ular m
argin
s of less th
an a g
unner lu
au 1
a.a...o.ecee,,
with m
inimal 1,1,w
e.claniage surrounding it oriTirstrtm
e.e•a- ,---"1,--='- —
—3n-7-S
PE
CT
ER
. Now
, was th
ere anyth
ing Ieff'fb
r you to
observ
e of th
at bullet
wound, o
r had
the in
cision o
bliterated
it? D
r. McC
LE
LL
exn. The incision had obliterated it, essentially, the skin portion,
that Is. M
r. SPEC
TE
R. B
efore p
roceed
ing to
describ
e what y
ou d
id In
connectio
n w
ith
the trach
eosto
my, w
ill you m
ore fu
lly d
escribe y
our o
bserv
ation w
ith resp
ect to
the h
ead w
ound?
Dr. M
cCL
EL
Lay
n. A
s I took th
e positio
n at th
e head
of th
e table th
at I hav
e
already d
escribed
., to h
elp o
ut w
ith th
e tracheo
tom
y, I w
a .s_in
suchAp
ositam
e
examine-the .heatl. w
ound, and 1..n
aier that th
e right
posterio
r portio
n o
f the sk
ull h
ad b
een ex
tremely
-bla
sted. It h
ad b
een sh
at-
feTtat-trpparently7try-the'friF
ee-iif th
e so
that th
e parietal b
one w
as pro
-
traded
up th
rough th
e scalp an
d seem
ed to
be fractu
red alm
ost alo
ng its rig
ht
posterio
r half, as w
ell as som
e of th
e occip
ital bone b
eing fractu
red In
its
lateral half, an
d th
is spru
ng o
pen
the b
ones th
at I men
tioned
in su
ch a w
ay
that y
ou co
uld
actually
look d
ow
n in
to th
e skull cav
ity itself an
d see th
at
pro
bab
ly a th
ird o
r so, at least, o
f the b
rain tissu
e, posterio
r cerebral tissu
e and
som
e of th
e cerebellar tissu
e had
been
blasted
out. T
here w
as a large am
ount
of b
leedin
g w
hich
was o
ccurrin
g m
ainly
from
the larg
e ven
ous ch
annels in
the
skull which had been blasted open.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Was he alive at the tim
e you first saw him
?
Dr. M
cCuri aN
D. I really
could
n't say
, becau
se as I men
tioned
In th
e hectic
activity
—I really
could
n't say
what h
is blo
od p
ressure w
as or w
hat h
is pulse
was o
r anyth
ing o
f that so
rt. The o
nly
thin
g I co
uld
say th
at would
perh
aps
giv
e evid
ence—
this is n
ot v
ital activity
—at m
ost, Is th
at may
be h
e mad
e oue
or tw
o sp
ontan
eous resp
iratory
movem
ents b
ut it w
ould
be d
ifficult to
say, sin
ce
the machine w
as being used on him, w
hether these were true spontaneous respira-
tions o
r not.
Mr.
SPEC
TE
R. W
ould
you n
ow
describ
e the activ
ity an
d p
art that y
ou p
er-
form
ed in
the treatm
ent w
hich
follo
wed
your arriv
al?
Dr.
MC
CL
EL
LA
ND
. Yes ; a
s I say, a
ll I did
was sim
ply
assist D
r. Perry
and
Dr. B
axte
r in d
oin
g th
e tra
cheoto
my. A
ll thre
e o
f us w
ork
ed to
geth
er in
mak
ing an
incisio
n in
the n
eck, tractin
g th
e neck
muscles o
ut o
f the w
ay, an
d
makin
g a small o
pen
ing in
to th
e trachea n
ear the sp
ot w
here ,th
eLtrach
ea, had
already b
een b
lasted o
r torn
open
,iist-the frag
iftlyfirrth
e:Ikillet, an
d in
serting
a -tamgee-eaterneeT
rifergTO
ilartiitee' into this hole, and after 'trite th
e breath
ing
apparatu
s was attach
ed to
this In
stead of
the p
revio
us tu
be w
hich
had
been
placed here. M
r. SPE
CT
ER
. In co
nductin
g th
at operatio
n, d
id y
ou o
bserv
e any in
terior
dam
age to
the P
residen
t? D
r. McC
ritiaten. Y
ee. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ill you describe that for me, please?
Dr. M
cCm
tmarm
. That d
amag
e consisted
main
ly o
f a large am
ount o
f con-
tusio
n an
d h
emato
tua fo
rmatio
n In
the tissu
e lateral to th
e right sid
e of th
e
trachea an
d th
e swellin
g an
d b
leedin
g aro
und th
is site was to
such
exten
t
that th
e trachea w
as som
ewhat d
eviated
to th
e left side, n
ot a g
reat deal, b
ut to
a deg
ree at least that it req
uired
partial cu
tting o
f som
e of th
e neck
muscles in
ord
er to g
et good en
ough ex
posu
re to p
ut in
the trach
eoto
my tu
be, b
ut th
ere was
a good d
eal of so
ft tissue d
amag
e and d
amag
e to th
e trachea itself w
here ap
par-
ently
the m
issile had
gone b
etween
the trach
ea on th
e right sid
e and th
e strap
muscles w
hich were applied closely to it.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. What o
ther treatm
ent w
as giv
en to
Presid
ent K
enned
y at th
e
time y
ou w
ere perfo
rmin
g th
e pro
cedures y
ou h
ave ju
st describ
ed?
Dr.
MC
CL
EL
LA
ND
. To th
e best o
f my k
now
ledge, th
e oth
er treatmen
t had
consisted
of th
e placem
ent o
f cutd
ow
n sites In
his ex
tremities, n
amely
, the m
ak-
ing o
f incisio
ns o
ver larg
e vein
s in th
e arms an
d, I b
elieve, in
the leg
; how
ever.
I'm n
ot su
re about th
at, since I w
as not p
ayin
g to
o m
uch
attentio
n to
that p
art
of th
e activity
, and larg
e plastic tu
bes w
ere placed
into
these v
eins fo
r the
giving o
f blo
od an
d flu
ids, an
d as I recall, h
e received
a certain am
ount o
f blo
od
but I d
on't k
now
exactly
how
much
, since I w
as not actu
ally g
ivin
g th
e blo
od.
3IcC
tiettazea. Dr. M
alcolm
Perry
, Dr. C
harles B
axter, D
r. Charles C
ren-
shaw
, Dr. Jam
es Carrico
, Dr. P
aul P
eters. siv
rinr-Irert,r-11ey all p
resent at th
e time y
ou arriv
ed?
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. T
hey
we g
ot p
resent w
hen
I arrived
.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Will y
ort-atartaritffrlittaleslA
tetifei'e plesen
t?
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. Starting
with
the o
nes w
ho w
ere presen
t, I'm so
rry, th
e
ones w
ho w
ere presen
t when
I arrived
were D
rs. Carrico
. Perry
and B
axter.
The o
thers I m
entio
ned
arrived
subseq
uen
tly o
r about th
e same tim
e that I d
id.
Mr.
SPEC
TE
R. T
hen, w
hat o
ther d
octo
rs, if any, a
rrived a
fter y
ou d
id, in
addition to those whom
you have already mentioned?
Dr. M
cCtraiarto
. In ad
ditio
n, th
e ones th
at arrived
afterward
s, were D
r.
Ken
neth
Saly
er,. - m
r SP
EC
TE
R. S
-a-i-y-e-T?
Dr. M
eCi rr.r A
ND
. S-a-1
-y-e-r, D
r. Fouad
, F-o
-u-a-d
Basb
our, D
r. Donald
Sel-
din
—
Mr. S
PE
crea_ S-e-i-d-i-n?
Dr. M
eCiem
tasm. S
-e-l-d-1-n—I believe that's all.
Mr.
SPEC
TE
R. W
hat d
id y
ou o
bserv
e as to P
residen
t Ken
ned
y's co
nditio
n at
that tim
e? D
r. MC
CL
EL
LA
ND
. Well, on initially com
ing into the room and inspecting him
from
a d
istance o
f only
2 o
r 3 fe
et a
s I put o
n a
pair o
f surg
ical g
loves, it
was o
bvio
us th
at he h
ad su
stained
a pro
bab
ly m
ortal b
ead in
jury
, and th
at
his face w
as extrem
ely sw
ollen
and su
ffused
with
blo
od ap
peared
cyan
otic,—
Mr. S
PE
CW
L "C
yan
otic"—
may
I interru
pt—
just w
hat d
o y
ou m
ean b
y th
at in
lay term
s? D
r. McC
i.r..u.a.ao
. This m
ean b
luish
disco
loratio
n, b
luish
-black
disco
loratio
n
of th
e tissue. T
he ey
es were so
mew
hat p
rotu
beran
t, which
Is usu
ally seen
after massiv
e bead
inju
ries den
otin
g in
creased in
tracranial p
ressure, an
d it
seemed
that h
e perh
aps w
as not m
akin
g, at th
e time at least, sp
ontan
eous resp
i-
ratory
movem
ents, b
ut w
as receivin
g artificial resp
iration fro
m a m
achin
e, an
anesth
esia mach
ine.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Who w
as operatin
g th
at mach
ine?
Dr. M
cCi.g
uasm
. The m
achin
e—th
ere was a ch
angeo
ver, ju
st as I came in
, one
of th
e docto
rs in th
e room
, I don't recall w
hich
one, h
ad b
een o
peratin
g w
hat
we call an
Interm
ittent p
ositiv
e pressu
re breath
ing m
achin
e.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Had
that m
achin
e been
utilized
prio
r to y
our arriv
al?
Dr. M
cCL
EL
Leen
. It was in
use as I arriv
ed, y
es, and ab
out th
e same tim
e I
arrived
—th
is would
be o
ne o
ther d
octo
r who cam
e in th
e room
that I fo
rgot
about—
Dr. Jen
kin
s, M. T
. Jenkin
s, pro
fessor o
f anesth
esiolo
gy, cam
e into
the ro
om
with
a larger an
esthesia m
achin
e, which
is a better ty
pe m
achin
e
with
which
to m
aintain
contro
l of resp
iration, an
d th
is was th
en attach
ed to
the tu
be in
the P
residen
t's tracheo
tom
; anyw
ay, resp
iratory
movem
ents w
ere
bein
g m
ade fo
r him
with
these tw
o m
achin
es, which
were in
the p
rocess o
f
being changed when I cam
e in. T
hen
, as I took m
y p
ost to
help
with
the trach
eoto
my, I w
as standin
g at
the e
nd o
f the stre
tcher o
n w
hic
h th
e P
resid
ent ,w
as ly
ing, Im
media
te) a
t
his
for p
urp
oses o
f hold
ing a trach
eoto
m, o
r a retractery
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. W
hat d
id y
ou o
bserv
e, if anyth
ing, as to
the statu
s of th
e neck
wound w
hen
you first arriv
ed?
Dr. M
cCr..x
.t.taiva. T
he n
eck w
ound, w
hen
I first arrived
, was at th
is time
converted
into
a tracheo
tom
y in
cision. T
he sk
in in
cision h
ad b
een m
ade b
y
Dr. P
erry, an
d h
e told
me—
although I d
id n
ot see th
at—th
at be h
ad m
ade th
e
incision
t12ppoa,g
snl a.4
44e te
r=
e h.
,
Mr.
SPEC
TE
R. D
o y
ou recall w
heth
er he d
escribed
it any m
ore p
recisely th
an
that? D
r. MC
CL
EL
LA
-ND
. He did not at that tim
e.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Has h
e ever d
escribed
It any m
ore p
recisely fo
r you?
Dr. M
CC
LE
LL
AN
D. H
e has sin
ce that tim
e.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. And w
hat d
escriptio
n h
as he g
iven
of it sin
ce that tim
e?
Dr. M
eCtettaien
. As w
ell as I can recall, th
e descrip
tion th
at he g
ave w
as
essentially
as I hav
e just d
escribed
, that it w
as a very
small In
jury
, with
clear
3:
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. I do.
Mr. S
eem. E
a, Would
you state y
our fu
ll nam
e, please?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. C
harles Rufus B
axter.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What is your profession, sir?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. I am
a med
ical docto
r of su
rgery
, gen
eral surg
eon.
Mr. S
rEm
ma. W
ill you outline briefly your educational background?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. U
niv
ersity o
f Tex
as-1948 th
rough 1
950, S
outh
western
Med
ical
Sch
ool. 1
950 th
rough 1
954. 1
955 straig
ht m
edicin
e intern
ship
, 1956 m
edicin
e
residen
cy—
intern
al med
icine resid
ency
, 1956 th
rough 1
958, su
rgical research
at
Bro
oke A
rmy M
edical C
enter, 1
958 th
rough 1
964—
surg
ical residen
cy, an
d 1
984
thro
ugh th
e presen
t—th
is is 1964, I g
ot o
ut o
f the A
rmy—
in 1
958, 1
958 th
rough
1962—
surg
ery resid
ency
, and 1
962 u
ntil n
ow
, assistant p
rofesso
r of su
rgery
.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And are you board certified, D
octor?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd what boards have you passed?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. T
he Am
erican Board of S
urgeons.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
hat year were you so certified?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. 1963.
MT
. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd what is your specific title at the m
edical school?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. A
ssistant professor of surgery.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
you h
ave o
ccasion to
aid in
the treatm
ent o
f Presid
ent K
en-
ned
y at P
arklan
d H
osp
ital?
Dr. 13exT
EB
. Yes.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
ill you outline briefly the circumstances surrounding your
bein
g called
to ren
der su
ch assistan
ce?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. I w
as conductin
g th
e studen
t health
service in
the h
ours o
f 12
to 1
and w
as contacted
there b
y th
e superv
isor o
f the em
ergen
cy ro
om
, who to
ld
me th
at the P
residen
t was o
n th
e way
to th
e emerg
ency
room
, hav
ing b
een sh
ot.
I nen
t on a d
ead ran
to th
e emerg
ency
room
as fast as I could
and it to
ok m
e
about 3
or 4
min
utes to
get th
ere.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Approxim
ately what tim
e did you arrive at the emergency room
?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. I think it w
as 12:40—thereabouts.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
ho was perstrnt-at that tim
e?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. D
r. Carrico and D
r. Jones and Dr. Jenkins—
several nurses.
Mr. S
PE
crEa. C
ap y
ou id
entify
the n
urses?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. Y
es: Mrs. N
elson—
and w
ho else? T
here w
ere two o
r three
others whose nam
es—M
iss Henchliffe w
as th
ere.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Miss B
owron?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. W
ho? M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
as Miss B
owron there?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. Y
es ; I believe so.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Were any other nurses there?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. O
ne or two m
ore, but I'm not sure of their nam
es.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Can
you id
entify
any o
ther d
octo
rs who w
ere there at th
at
time?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. O
h, let's see—
I'm n
ot su
re wheth
er the o
thers cam
e befo
re or
afte
r I did
. There
was C
rensh
aw
, Pete
rs, and K
em
p C
lark
, Dr. B
ash
our
finally
came. I b
elieve Jack
ie Hunt—
yes—
she w
as, I believ
e she w
as the an
es-
thesiologist, who cam
e. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
as Dr. D
on Curtis there?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. I'm
not sure—I just don't rem
ember.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. When you arrived, w
hat did you observe as to th
e conditio
n o
f
the P
residen
t? D
r. BA
XT
ER
. He w
as very
obvio
usly
in ex
tremla. T
here w
as a large g
apin
g
wound in
the sk
ull w
hich
was co
vered
at that tim
e with
blo
od, an
d its ex
tent
was n
ot im
med
iately d
etermin
ed. H
is eyes w
ere bulg
ing, th
e pupils w
ere fixed
and dilated
and d
eviated
outw
ard, b
oth
pupils w
ere dev
iated laterally
. At
that tim
e his b
reathin
g w
as bein
g assisted
so th
at wheth
er he w
as breath
ing
on his own or not, I couldn't determ
ine.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. In what w
ay was h
is breath
ing b
eing assisted
?
Dr. B
krin
a. With
an an
esthesia m
achin
e.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Would
you co
ntin
ue to
describ
e what y
ou o
bserv
ed as to
his
conditio
n?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. T
here w
ere no p
ulses th
at I could
feel presen
t. The an
esthesi-
ologist told me that he did still have a heartbeat.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Who is that w
ho said that to you?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. W
ell, I believ
e this w
as Carrico
who said
that h
is heart w
as still
beatin
g. T
here
was p
rese
nt a
t the tim
e tw
o in
travenous c
ath
ete
rs in p
lace
with
fluid
s runnin
g. W
e were in
form
ed at th
at time—
well, h
avin
g lo
oked
over
the rest o
f the b
ody, th
e only
oth
er wound w
as in h
is neck
, that w
e saw.
Dr. C
arrico said
that h
e had
observ
ed a trach
eal laceration. A
t that m
om
ent
Dr. Jo
nes, I b
elieve, w
as placin
g in
a left anterio
r chest tu
be b
ecause o
f this
info
rmatio
n. W
e pro
ceeded
at that tim
e with
a tracheo
tom
y.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Who perform
ed the tracheotomy?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. D
r. Perry and m
yself, with the assistance of D
r. McC
lelland. and
believ
e that's all—
there m
ay h
ave b
een o
ne m
ore p
erson th
at held
the re-
tractor.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What else, if an
yth
ing, d
id y
ou d
o fo
r Presid
ent K
enned
y at
that tim
e? D
r. BA
XT
ER
. Durin
g th
e tracheo
tom
y, I h
elped
with
the in
sertion o
f a right
anterio
r chest tu
be, an
d th
en h
elped
Dr. P
erry co
mplete th
e tracheo
tom
y. A
t
that p
oin
t none o
f us co
uld
hear a h
eartbeat p
resent. A
pparen
tly th
is had
ceased
durin
g th
e tracheo
tom
y an
d th
e chest tu
be p
lacemen
t.
We th
en g
ave h
im o
r Dr. P
erry an
d D
r. Clark
alternated
giv
ing h
im clo
sed
chest card
iac massag
e only
until w
e could
get a eard
iosco
pe h
ooked
up to
tell us if th
ere were an
y d
etectible h
eartbeat electrically
presen
t, at least, and
there w
as none, an
d w
e discu
ssed at th
at mom
ent w
heth
er we sh
ould
open
the
chest to
attempt to
reviv
e him
, while th
e closed
chest m
assage w
as goin
g o
n,
and w
e bad
an o
pportu
nity
to lo
ok at h
is head
wound th
en an
d saw
that th
e
dam
age w
as bey
ond h
ope, th
at is, in a w
ord
—literally
the rig
ht sid
e of h
is
bead
had
been
blo
wn o
ff. With
this an
d th
e observ
ation th
at the cereb
ellum
was p
resent—
a large q
uan
tity o
f brain
was p
resent o
n th
e cart, well—
we felt
that su
ch an
additio
nal h
eroic attem
pt w
as not w
arranted
, and w
e did
not p
ro-
nounce h
im d
ead b
ut ceased
our effo
rts, and aw
aited th
e priest an
d last rites
befo
re we p
ronounced
him
dead
.
Mr. S
pecasa. D
id th
e priest th
en arriv
e to p
erform
the last rites?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. Y
es. M
r. SP
EL
i tat. At w
hat time w
as he pronounced dead?
Dr. B
AIT
ER
. As I recall, it w
as 1 :0
8. I'm
not su
re, it may
hav
e been
that th
at
was O
swald
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. B
ut it w
as appro
xim
ately 1
o'clo
ck? T
hen
, could
the tim
e of
death
be fix
ed w
ith an
y p
recision?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. I d
on't th
ink so
—th
e time elap
sing in
all of th
is resuscitatio
n
and th
e time th
e heart actu
ally ceased
, I don't th
ink o
ne co
uld
be v
ery su
re of it.
It was so
metim
e betw
een a q
uarter to
I and 1
o'clo
ck.
Mr. S
ercrEa. H
are you n
ow
describ
ed all o
f the effo
rts which
were m
ade to
save th
e life of th
e Presid
ent?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. O
nly
with
the ex
ceptio
n, I th
ink, o
f the flu
ids th
at were ad
min
is-
tered. H
e was g
iven
hydro
cortiso
ne b
ecause o
f his p
revio
us m
edical co
nditio
n.
He w
as giv
en n
o n
egativ
e blo
od b
ecause th
e blo
od lo
ss was rath
er fierce and,
I believ
e that's all.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What o
ther d
octo
rs arrived
durin
g th
e course o
f the treatment,
in ad
ditio
n to
those w
hom
you h
ave alread
y m
entio
ned
?
Dr. B
AX
TE
R. I d
on't recall—
I know
that th
ere were m
ore d
octo
rs presen
t In
the ro
om
, but th
eir nam
es, I'm n
ot su
re of. T
he reaso
n I'm
not su
re is becau
se
we h
ad so
me o
f the sam
e crew an
d a d
ifferent crew
on th
e Govern
or an
d o
n
Osw
ald, an
d I'm
afraid th
at I've g
otten
them
mix
ed u
p.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Now
, will y
ou d
escribe in
as much
particu
larity as y
ou can
the
natu
re of th
e bead
wound?
Dr. B
AIT
ER
. The o
nly
wound th
at I actually
saw—
Dr. C
lark ex
amin
ed th
is
above th
e nian
ubriu
m o
f the stern
um
, the stern
al notch
. This w
ound w
as in
temporal p
arietal plate o
f bone laid
outw
ard to
the sid
e and th
ere was a larg
e
area, oh, I w
ould
say 6
by 8
or 1
0 cm
. of lacerated
brain
oozin
g fro
m th
is wound,
41
there, an
d th
en I recall D
r. Jenkin
s from
the A
nesth
esia Dep
artmen
t, and D
r.
Seld
in, D
r. Cren
shaw
, and th
at's about all th
e docto
rs—I co
uld
thin
k o
f oth
ers pro
bab
ly, b
ut I can
't remem
ber n
ow
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. C
an you identify any other nurses who w
ere there? D
r. CU
RT
IS. N
o ; I can
't—I w
asn't p
ayin
g atten
tion to
the n
urses.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Durin
g th
e course o
f your p
resence n
ear Presid
ent K
enned
y,
did
you h
ave an
y o
pportu
nity
to o
bserv
e any w
ounds o
n h
is body?
Dr. C
rays. A
fter I had
com
pleted
the cu
tdow
n, I w
ent aro
und to
the rig
ht
side o
f the p
atient an
d saw
the h
ead w
ound.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
hat did you observe there? D
r. errata. Oh—
fragm
ents o
f bone an
d a g
ross in
jury
to th
e cranial co
nten
ts, w
ith co
pio
us am
ou
nts o
f hem
orrh
age.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did you observe any other w
ound on the President?
Dr. C
UR
TIS
. No ; I d
idn't. A
s I said b
efore, I n
oticed
the m
ass in th
e pre-
tracheal area.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
_ A
nd w
hen
you say
"as you said
befo
re," you m
ean in
our
previous discussions prior to going on the record here? D
r. Cra
ys. Y
es.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. An
d w
ill yo
u state n
ow
for th
e record
wh
at yo
u d
id n
otice w
ith
respect to
the trach
eal area? D
r. CU
RT
IS. T
he P
residen
t's head
was ex
tend
ed
Or
hyperex
tended
and I
no
ticed th
at In th
e sup
erasternal n
otch
there w
as a mass th
at loo
ked
like a
hematom
a to me, or a blood clot in the tissues.
Mr. S
pE
t.ir..a. How
big
was th
at hem
atom
a? D
r. Cray
s. Oh, I th
ink it w
as 5 cm
. in size.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What color w
as It? D
r. Cro
ats. It had
no
colo
r—th
ere was ju
st skin
ov
erlyin
g it.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What did it appear to be?
Dr. C
utras. P
rob
ably
a hem
atom
a. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
id y
ou o
bserv
e any p
erforatio
n o
r hole in
the P
residen
t's th
roat?
Dr. C
triars. No ; I d
idn't. B
ut th
at doesn
't mean
it wasn
't there.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did you have an opportunity to look closely for it?
Dr. C
UR
TIS
. I focu
sed m
y atten
tion o
n h
is neck
for an
instan
t, and th
at's all.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
you h
ear any d
iscussio
n am
ong an
y o
f the d
octo
rs about
an o
pen
ing
on
his n
eck?
Dr. C
rave. N
o; I d
idn't.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
you m
ake an
y w
ritten rep
ort co
ncern
ing y
our activ
ity
on
the P
residen
t? D
r. Cray
s. No ; I d
idn't.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Hav
e you an
y n
otes o
r writin
gs o
f any so
rt concern
ing y
our
wo
rk w
ith th
e Presid
ent?
Dr. C
UR
TIS
. No.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Hav
e you talk
ed to
any rep
resentativ
es of th
e Fed
eral Gov-
ernm
ent ab
out y
our p
articipatio
n in
treating P
residen
t Ken
ned
y b
efore to
day
?
Dr. C
UR
TIS
. No ; I haven't.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Prio
r to th
e time th
at we w
ent o
n th
e record
here w
ith th
e
cou
rt repo
rter, did
yo
u an
d I h
ave a v
ery b
rief con
versatio
n co
ncern
ing
the
purp
ose o
f the d
epositio
n an
d th
e gen
eral questio
ns w
hich
I would
ask y
ou o
n
the reco
rd?
Dr. C
urrie. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd
is the In
form
ation
wh
ich y
ou
hav
e pro
vid
ed o
n th
e record
the sam
e as that w
hich
yo
u g
ave m
e befo
re the co
urt rep
orter started
takin
g
notes? D
r. Cta
ns. Y
es.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Do y
ou h
ave an
yth
ing to
add w
hich
you th
ink w
ould
be h
elpfu
l to
the C
om
missio
n in
Its wo
rk?
Dr. C
rays. N
o ; I d
on't th
ink so
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. T
hank you very much, D
r. Curtis, for com
ing here today. D
r. Cram
s. All rig
ht.
TE
ST
IMO
NY
OF
DR
- FO
UA
D A
. BA
SH
OU
R
The testim
ony o
f Dr. F
ou
ad A
. Bash
our w
as taken
at 1 :1
5 p
.m., o
n M
arch 2
5,
1964. at P
arklan
d M
emorial H
osp
ital, Dallas, T
ex., b
y M
r. Arlen
Specter, as-
sistant counsel of the President's C
omtnission.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. May
the reco
rd sh
ow
that D
r. Found B
ashour h
as appeared
pur-
suan
t to a letter o
f request fro
m th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n o
n th
e Assassin
a- tio
n o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y, In
connectio
n w
ith th
e Com
missio
n's in
quiry
into
all of th
e factors su
rroundin
g th
e assassinatio
n o
f the P
residen
t, inclu
din
g m
edi-
cal treatmen
t received
at Park
land H
osp
ital, and D
r. Bash
our's k
now
ledge, if
any, as related to the treatment in the em
ergency room.
With
that p
relimin
ary statem
ent o
f purp
ose, D
r. Bash
our, w
ould
you m
ind
rising And then raise your right hand?
Do y
ou so
lemnly
swear th
at the testim
ony y
ou g
ive b
efore th
e Presid
ent's
Com
missio
n in
this d
epositio
n p
roceed
ing w
ill be th
e truth
, the w
hole tru
th,
and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Dr. B
AR
HO
UR
. I d
o.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Would you state your full nam
e for the record, please? D
r. BA
nnotra. F-o-u-a-d (spelling), F
ouad A. B
ashour. M
r. Sm
arts. What is y
our p
rofessio
n, sir?
Mr. B
ASH
OU
B. I am
an in
ternist w
ith a sp
ecialization
in card
iolo
gy
. I am as-
sociate professor of medicine.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Are you duly licensed by the S
tate of Texas to practice m
edicine
here? D
r. BA
snora. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd are you board certified at the present time?
Dr. B
Asito
rra. No, sir; I d
on't h
ave m
y b
oard
becau
se I am n
ot y
et a citizen.
I will b
e takin
g m
y citizen
ship
this y
ear, I hope, an
d th
en I w
ill he ab
le to sit
for th
e bo
ard.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
you h
ave o
ccasion to
assist in th
e treatmen
t of P
residen
t
Kennedy back on N
ovember 22, 1963?
Dr. S
eSH
OU
R. Y
es ; we w
ere called fro
m th
e din
ing
roo
m, th
e do
ctors' d
inin
g
room, and w
e went directly to the P
resident Kennedy room
. M
r. Seem
an. When you say "w
e" whom
do you mean by that?
Dr. S
AS
HO
TIR
. Dr. S
eldin and myself—
we left the dining room
and went right
straigh
t do
wn
to th
e Presid
ent's ro
om
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd what is D
r. Seldin's first nam
e? D
r. Bean
otar. D
on
ald.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
.. And w
hat is his specialty, if any? D
r. SA
SH
OC
R. H
e's chairm
an o
f the d
epartm
ent o
f med
icine an
d p
rofesso
r of
med
icine. H
e is a specialist an
d a reco
gn
ized fam
ou
s specialist in
renal d
iseases.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
hat, in lay language, does that facet of medicine involve?
Dr. B
AS
HO
UR
. Kidney diseases.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did D
r. Seidin accom
pany you into the emergency room
where
Presid
ent K
enn
edy
was lo
cated?
Dr. B
AS
EO
UR
. We w
ent to the room together and then I w
as left alone because
this is a p
rob
lem—
a heart p
rob
lem.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did D
r. Seldin rem
ain in the room w
ith you? D
r. BA
sEto
tta. Well, h
e came an
d stay
ed fo
r—he ju
st left the ro
om
after we
came in.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. How
long did he stay in the room?
Dr. B
Asuocra. A
few seconds.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. W
ho was present in the room
when you arrived ?
Dr. B
Asn
otra. W
hen
I arrived
, Dr. K
emp C
lark w
as doin
g th
e cardiac m
as-
sage o
n th
e Presid
ent, D
r. Jenkin
s was In
charg
e of co
ntro
lling artificial resp
ira-
tion
of th
e Presid
ent, an
d th
e pro
bab
ly th
ere were so
me th
ree or fo
ur—
I don't
remem
ber. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd what did you o
bserv
e the P
residen
t's conditio
n to
be at th
e
time y
ou arriv
ed?
Dr. B
Assu
nm
. Th
e Presid
ent w
as lyin
g o
n th
e stretcher, th
e head
wo
un
d w
as
61
f AN
Tak (/ 'tit
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iva
I
TE
ST
IMO
NY
OF
DR
. KE
NN
ET
H E
VE
RE
TT
SA
LY
ER
The testim
ony o
f Dr. K
enneth
Everett S
alyer w
as taken
t at 6:1
8 p
.m., o
n
March
28. 1
964, at P
arklan
d M
emorial H
osp
ital. Dallas. T
ex., b
y M
r. Arlen
Spec-
ter, assistant co
unsel o
f the P
residen
t's Com
missio
n.
Mr. &
Terse
. May th
e re
cord
show
that D
r. Kenneth
Saly
er is p
rese
nt In
response to
an in
quiry
that h
e appear to
hav
e his d
epositio
n tak
en in
connectio
n
with
the in
quiries b
eing co
nducted
by th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n o
n th
e Assess!.
natio
n o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y, w
hich
is lookin
g in
to all facets o
f the sh
ootin
g.
inclu
din
g th
e wounds o
f the P
residen
t and th
e care he receiv
ed at P
arklan
d
Hosp
ital. W
ith th
at prelim
inary
statemen
t of p
urp
ose. D
r. Saly
er, will y
ou stan
d u
p
and raise y
our rig
ht h
and?
Do y
ou so
lemnly
swear th
at the testim
ony y
ou w
ill giv
e befo
re the P
residen
t's
Com
missio
n in
the co
urse o
f this d
epositio
n w
ill be th
e truth
, the w
hole tru
th,
and n
oth
ing b
ut th
e truth
, so h
elp y
ou G
od?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I do.
Mr. S
PE
CT
411. H
ave y
ou h
ad an
opportu
nity
to ex
amin
e the d
ocu
men
t or th
e
Execu
tive o
rder creatin
g th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n an
d R
ules fo
r the tak
ing
of testim
ony?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. Y
es ; I have.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And are you w
illing to have your deposition taken today without
hav
ing th
e form
al three d
ays o
f written
notice, w
hich
you h
ave a rig
ht to
, if
you w
ish?
Dr. S
errna. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. Y
ou are w
illing to
waiv
e that rig
ht, is th
at right?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ould you state your full name for the record, please?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R- K
enneth
Everett S
alyer.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
- What is your profession?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. P
hysician.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Are you duly licensed to practice m
edicine by the State of T
exas?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. Y
es; I am.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
ould
you o
utlin
e briefly
your ed
ucatio
nal b
ackgro
und,
please? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. A B
.S. d
egree at th
e Univ
ersity o
f Kan
sas, an M
.D. d
egree at th
e
Univ
ersity o
f Kan
sas, and in
ternsh
ip at P
arklan
d, an
d n
ow
a first year resid
ent
in su
rgery
at Park
land H
osp
ital.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. In w
hat y
ear did
you g
raduate fro
m th
e Univ
ersity o
f Kan
sas
Med
ical Sch
ool?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. 1962.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And how
old are you, Dr. S
alyer?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I am
27. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ill you relate briefly the circumstances surrounding your being
called in
to assist in
the treatm
ent o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. W
ell, for th
e month
of N
ovem
ber, as p
art of o
ur ro
tation o
n su
r-
gery
, I spen
t that m
onth
on n
euro
surg
ery, an
d b
eing o
n call th
at day
for an
y
emerg
encies w
hich
com
e in to
our em
ergen
cy ro
om
related to
neu
rosu
rgical
pro
blem
s, we w
ould
be called
dow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
to see th
ese, and I
was u
pstairs v
iewin
g a m
ovie w
hen
I heard
that th
e Presid
ent h
ad arriv
ed an
d
so I th
ought I sh
ould
go d
ow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
and see w
hat th
e altos-
don w
as. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd, upon your arrival at the emergency room
, who w
as present?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. O
h, I d
on't recall—
I know
that th
ere were a ro
om
full o
f doc-
tors—
I could
list specific o
nes th
at I remem
ber if y
ou w
ould
like.
Mr. S
escres. Would
you p
lease?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I d
on't really
thin
k I co
uld
giv
e you ev
ery o
ne, b
ut I rem
ember
Dr. Jen
kin
s and D
r. Perry
and D
r. Bax
ter, and also
Dr. B
ob M
cClellan
d an
d
Dr. C
arrico an
d D
r. Cren
shaw
, and I th
ink a D
r. Gen
e Akin
was th
ere also—
at that tim
e, when
I first came In
.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Can you think of any others?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
u; I d
on't recall an
y o
thers—
there co
uld
hav
e been
som
e, there
were a lo
t of p
eople so
rt of m
ovin
g in
and o
ut. T
here certain
ly w
ere a lot o
f
nurses in
there at th
at time.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
- Can you identify any of the nurses w
ho were there?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
o; I can't. M
r. Sen
crea. What w
as the P
residen
t's conditio
n at th
e time y
ou arriv
ed?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. It w
as critical.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
- What did you observe about him
with respect to any w
ounds he
may
hav
e sustain
ed?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. W
ell, I observ
ed th
at he d
id h
ave so
me su
ckin
g w
ound o
f som
e
type on his n
eck, an
d th
at he also
had
a wound o
f his rig
ht tem
poral region—
these w
ere the tw
o m
ain w
ounds.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
you h
ave an
opportu
nity
to o
bserv
e his th
roat?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. N
o; I really
did
not. I th
ink th
ere were a lo
t of p
eople—
a
lot o
f docto
rs more clo
sely aro
und h
im. I m
ight m
entio
n also
, I thin
k ju
st
right a
fter I c
am
e In
the ro
om
Dr. C
lark
and D
r. Gro
ssman a
lso a
rrived.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Doctor w
ho? D
r. SA
LT
ER
- Dr. G
rossm
an, ju
st briefly
. He's a n
euro
surg
eon also
.
Mr. S
escrEn. W
hat is h
is nam
e?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. D
r. Gro
ssman
—B
ob G
rossm
an. H
e was ju
st there, I th
ink,
briefly. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
ow long w
as he there?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I co
uld
n't say
—I'm
not su
re he cam
e in th
e room
. I know
they
were to
geth
er—I can
not say
that fo
r sure.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. To w
hat extent did Dr. C
renshaw participate?
Dr. S
ArrE
R. D
r. Cren
shaw
particip
ated ab
out th
e exten
t that I d
id. W
e were
occu
pied
in m
akin
g su
re an I.V
. was g
oin
g an
d h
angin
g u
p a b
ottle o
f blo
od.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Is the—is D
r. Crenshaw
a resident?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. Y
es, be is th
ird-y
ear residen
t. That's th
e reason I rem
ember
him
specifically
becau
se we w
ere sort o
f work
ing th
ere togeth
er on th
at.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. I had
asked
you a m
om
ent ag
o w
heth
er you h
ad an
opportu
nity
to o
bserv
e the co
nditio
n o
f the P
residen
t's thro
at.
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. R
ight. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat was your answ
er to that question?
Dr. S
enrea. T
he an
swer w
as—th
ere were a lo
t of d
octo
rs standin
g aro
und.
and I d
idn't really
get to
observ
e the n
ature o
f the w
ound in
the th
roat.
Mr. .S
PE
CT
ER
. At ap
pro
xim
ately w
hat tim
e did
you arriv
e at the em
ergen
cy
room
where th
e Presid
ent w
as situated
?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I really don't know
.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as done fo
r the P
residen
t by w
ay o
f treatmen
t that y
ou
observed? D
r. SA
LY
ER
. Well, an
adeq
uate airw
ay ev
entu
ally, o
f course, so
me ex
ternal
cardiac m
assage—
he h
ad I.V
.'s--intrav
enous flu
ids g
oin
g in
a num
ber o
f sites,
and all o
f the acu
te measu
res we ad
min
istered h
im.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. I did
n't h
ear you at th
e end o
f your an
swer.
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I said
—all o
f the m
any o
ther m
easures th
at we ad
min
istered—
I don't recall sp
ecifically so
me o
f the o
ther d
etails as far as med
ications an
d
so fo
rth.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What d
id y
ou o
bserv
e with
respect to
the h
ead w
ound?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I cam
e in o
n th
e left side o
f him
and n
oticed
that h
is majo
r
wound se
em
ed to
he in
his rig
ht te
mpora
l are
a, a
t least fro
m th
e p
oin
t of
view
that I co
uld
see him
, and o
ther th
an th
at—noth
ing o
ther th
an h
e did
hav
e
a gap
ing scalp
wound—
cranial w
ound.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Has an
yone fro
m th
e Fed
eral Govern
men
t talked
to y
ou ab
out
your o
bserv
ations o
f this m
atter?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
o one has.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Do y
ou h
ave an
yth
ing to
add w
hich
you th
ink m
ay b
e of aid
to
the P
residen
t's Com
missio
n in
its inquiry
?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. N
o. I believe not.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Thank you very m
uch, Dr. S
alyer.
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. T
hank you. 81
TE
ST
IMO
NY
OF
DR
. KE
NN
ET
H E
VE
RE
TT
SA
LY
ER
The testim
ony o
f Dr. K
enneth
Everett S
alyer w
as taken
t at 6:1
5 p
.m.. o
n
March
25. 1
964, at P
arklan
d M
emorial H
osp
ital, Dallas, T
ex., b
y M
r. Arlen
Spec-
ter, assistant co
un
sel of th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. May
the reco
rd sh
ow
that D
r. Ken
neth
Saly
er is presen
t in
response to
an In
quiry
that h
e appear to
hav
e his d
epositio
n tak
en in
connectio
n
with
the In
quiries b
eing co
nducted
by th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n o
n th
e Assassi-
natio
n o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y, w
hich
is lookin
g in
to all facets o
f the sh
ootin
g,
inclu
din
g th
e wounds o
f the P
residen
t and th
e care he receiv
ed at P
arklan
d
Ho
spital.
With
that p
relimin
ary statem
ent o
f purp
ose, D
r. Saly
er, will y
ou stan
d u
p
and raise y
our rig
ht h
and?
Do y
ou
solem
nly
swear th
at the testim
on
y y
ou
will g
ive b
efore th
e Presid
ent's
Com
missio
n in
the co
urse o
f this d
epositio
n w
ill be th
e truth
, the w
hole tru
th,
and
no
thin
g b
ut th
e truth
, so h
elp y
ou
Go
d?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I do.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
_ H
ave y
ou h
ad an
op
portu
nity
to ex
amin
e the d
ocu
men
t or th
e E
xecu
tive o
rder creatin
g th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n an
d R
ules fo
r the tak
ing
of testim
ony?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. Y
es; I have. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd are you willing to have your deposition taken today w
ithout h
avin
g th
e form
al three d
ays o
f written
no
tice, wh
ich y
ou
hav
e a righ
t to, if
yo
u w
ish?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. Y
ou are w
illing to
waiv
e that rig
ht, is th
at right?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ould you state your full name for the record, please?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. K
enneth Everett S
alyer. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat is your profession? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Physician.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Are you duly licensed to practice m
edicine by the State of T
exas? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes; I am
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd
wo
uld
you
outlin
e briefly
yo
ur ed
ucatio
nal b
ackgro
und,
please? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. A B
.S. d
egree at th
e Univ
ersity o
f Kan
sas, an M
.D. d
egree at th
e U
niv
ersity o
f Kan
sas, and in
ternsh
ip at P
arklan
d, an
d n
ow
a first year resid
ent
in su
rgery
at Park
land H
osp
ital. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. In
what y
ear did
you g
raduate fro
m th
e Univ
ersity o
f Kan
sas M
edical School?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. 1962.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And how
old are you, Dr. S
alyer? D
r. Se.trea. I am
27
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ill you relate briefly the circumstances surrounding your being
called in
to assist In
the treatm
ent o
f Presid
ent K
enn
edy
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Well, fo
r the m
onth
of N
ovem
ber, as p
art of o
ur ro
tation o
n su
r-g
ery, I sp
ent th
at mo
nth
on
neu
rosu
rgery
, and
bein
g o
n call th
at day
for an
y
emerg
encies w
hich
com
e in to
our em
ergen
cy ro
om
related to
neu
rosu
rgical
pro
blem
s, we w
ou
ld b
e called d
ow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
to see th
ese, sad I
was u
pstairs v
iewin
g a m
ov
ie wh
en I h
eard th
at the P
residen
t had
arrived
and
so I th
ought I sh
ould
go d
ow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
and see w
hat th
e situa-
tion
was.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And, upon your arrival at the em
ergency room, w
ho was present?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. O
h, I d
on
't recall—I k
no
w th
at there w
ere a roo
m fu
ll of d
oc-
tors—
I could
list specific o
nes th
at I remem
ber if y
ou w
ould
like.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Would you please?
Dr. S
win
e. I don't really
thin
k I co
uld
giv
e you ev
ery o
ne, b
ut I rem
ember
Dr. Jen
kin
s and D
r. Perry
and D
r. Bax
ter, and also
Dr. B
ob M
cClellan
d an
d
Dr. C
arrico an
d D
r. Cren
shaw
, and I th
ink a D
r. Gen
e Akin
was th
ere also—
at that tim
e, wh
en I first cam
e in.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Can you think of any others?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
o; I d
on
't recall any
oth
ers—th
ere cou
ld h
ave b
een so
me, th
ere w
ere a lot o
f peo
ple so
rt of m
ovin
g in
and o
ut. T
here certain
ly w
ere a lot o
f
nu
rses in th
ere at that tim
e. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. C
an you identify any of the nurses who w
ere there? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. No; I can't.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as the P
residen
t's conditio
n at th
e time y
ou arriv
ed?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. It w
as critical. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat did you observe about him w
ith respect to any wounds he
may
hav
e sustain
ed?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. W
ell, I observ
ed th
at he d
id h
ave so
me su
ckin
g w
ound o
f som
e ty
pe o
n h
is neck
, and th
at be also
had
a wound o
f his rig
ht tem
poral reg
ion—
these w
ere the tw
o m
ain w
ounds.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
yo
u h
ave an
op
po
rtun
ity to
ob
serve h
is thro
at? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. No
; I really d
id n
ot. I th
ink
there w
ere a lot o
f peo
ple—
a lo
t of d
octo
rs more clo
sely aro
und h
im. I m
ight m
entio
n also
, I thin
k ju
st rig
ht a
fter I c
am
e in
the ro
om
Dr. C
lark
an
d D
r. Gro
ssman
also
arriv
ed
.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Doctor w
ho? D
r. SA
LY
ER
. Dr. G
rossm
an. ju
st briefly
. He's a n
euro
surg
eon also
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat is his name?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. D
r. Gro
ssman
—B
ob G
rossm
an. H
e was ju
st there, I th
ink,
briefly. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
ow long w
as he there? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I couldn't say—I'm
not sure he cam
e in th
e roo
m. I k
no
w th
ey
were to
geth
er—I can
not say
that fo
r sure.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. To w
hat extent did Dr. C
renshaw participate?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R_ D
r. Cren
shaw
particip
ated ab
out th
e exten
t that I d
id. W
e were
occu
pied
in m
akin
g su
re an I.Y
. was g
oin
g an
d h
angin
g u
p a b
ottle o
f blo
od.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Is the—is D
r. Crenshaw
a resident? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes, h
e is third
-year resid
ent. T
hat's th
e reason
I remem
ber
him
specifically
becau
se we w
ere sort o
f work
ing th
ere togeth
er on th
at. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. I b
ad ask
ed y
ou
a mo
men
t ago
wh
ether y
ou
had
an o
pp
ortu
nity
to o
bserv
e the co
nditio
n o
f the P
residen
t's thro
at. D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Right.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as your answer to that question?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. T
he answer w
as—there w
ere a lot o
f docto
rs standin
g aro
und,
and
I did
n't really
get to
ob
serve th
e natu
re of th
e wo
un
d in
the th
roat.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. At ap
pro
xim
ately w
hat tim
e did
you arriv
e at the em
ergen
cy
room
where th
e Presid
ent w
as situated
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I really don't know.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as done for the President by w
ay o
f treatmen
t that y
ou
observed? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Well, an
adeq
uate airw
ay ev
entu
ally, o
f course, so
me ex
ternal
cardiac m
assage—
he h
ad I.V
.'s—in
traven
ou
s fluid
s go
ing
in a n
um
ber o
f sites,
and
all of th
e acute m
easures w
e adm
inistered
him
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. I d
idn
't hear y
ou
at the en
d o
f yo
ur an
swer.
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I said
—all o
f the m
any o
ther m
easures th
at we ad
min
istered—
I d
on't recall sp
ecifically so
me o
f the o
ther d
etails as far as med
ications an
d
so fo
rth.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Wh
at did
you o
bserv
e with
respect to
the h
ead w
ound?
Dr. S
auna. I c
am
e in
on th
e le
ft side o
f him
and n
otic
ed th
at h
is majo
r w
ound se
em
ed to
be in
his rig
ht te
mpora
l are
a, a
t least fro
m th
e p
oin
t of
view
that I co
uld
see him
, and o
ther th
an th
at—noth
ing o
ther th
an h
e did
hav
e
a gaping scalp wound—
cranial wound.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Has an
yone fro
m th
e Fed
eral Govern
men
t talked
to y
ou ab
out
yo
ur o
bserv
ation
s of th
is matter?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
o one has. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
o y
ou h
ave an
yth
ing to
add w
hich
you th
ink m
ay b
e of aid
to
the P
residen
t's Com
missio
n in
its inquiry
? D
r. SA
LY
ER
. No. I believe not.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
_ Thank you very m
uch, Dr. S
alyer. D
r. SeL
xas. T
han
k y
ou.
Th
e testimo
ny
of D
r. Ken
neth
Ev
erett Saly
er was tak
ent at 6
:15
p.m
., on
M
arch 2
5, 1
964, at P
arklan
d M
emorial H
osp
ital, Dallas, T
ex., b
y M
r. Arlen
Spec-
ter, assistant co
un
sel of th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. May
the reco
rd sh
ow
that D
r. Ken
neth
Saly
er is presen
t in
respo
nse to
an in
qu
iry th
at he ap
pear to
hav
e his d
epo
sition
taken
in co
nn
ection
w
ith th
e Inq
uiries b
eing
con
du
cted b
y th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n o
n th
e Assassi-
natio
n o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y, w
hich
is lookin
g in
to all facets o
f the sh
ootin
g,
inclu
din
g th
e wo
un
ds o
f the P
residen
t and
the care h
e received
at Park
land
H
oso
ital. W
ith th
at prelim
inary
statemen
t of p
urp
ose, D
r. Saly
er, will y
ou stan
d u
p
and
raise yo
ur rig
ht h
and
? D
o y
ou
solem
nly
swear th
at the testim
on
y y
ou
will g
ive b
efore th
e Presid
ent's
Co
mm
ission
in th
e cou
rse of th
is dep
ositio
n w
ill be th
e truth
, the w
ho
le truth
, an
d n
oth
ing
bu
t the tru
th, so
help
yo
u G
od
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I do. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
ave y
ou h
ad an
opportu
nity
to ex
amin
e the d
ocu
men
t or th
e E
xecu
tive o
rder creatin
g th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n an
d R
ules fo
r the tak
ing
o
f testimo
ny
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes; I have.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And are you w
illing to have your deposition taken today without
hav
ing th
e form
al three d
ays o
f written
notice, w
hich
you h
ave a rig
ht to
. if y
ou
wish
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Yo
u are w
illing
to w
aive th
at righ
t, is that rig
ht?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ould you state your full name for the record, please?
Dr. S
AL
VE
R. K
enneth Everett S
alyer. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat is your profession? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Physician.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Are you duly licensed to practice m
edicine by the State of T
exas? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes ; I am
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd w
ould
you o
utlin
e briefly
your ed
ucatio
nal b
ackgro
und,
please? D
r. Serasa.-A
B.S
. deg
ree at the U
niv
ersity o
f Kan
sas, an M
.D. d
egree at th
e U
niv
ersity o
f Kan
sas, and in
ternsh
ip at P
arklan
d, an
d n
ow
a first year resid
ent
in su
rgery
at Park
land H
osp
ital. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. In
what y
ear did
you g
raduate fro
m th
e Un
iversity
of K
ansas
Medical S
chool? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. 1962. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd how old are you, D
r. Salyer?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I am
27. M
r. Su
erEa. W
ill yo
u relate b
riefly th
e circum
stances su
rrou
nd
ing
yo
ur b
eing
called
in to
assist in th
e treatmen
t of P
residen
t Ken
ned
y?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. W
ell, for th
e mo
nth
of N
ov
emb
er, as part o
f ou
r rotatio
n o
n su
r-gery
, I spen
t that m
onth
on n
euro
surg
ery, an
d b
eing o
n call th
at day
for an
y
emerg
encies w
hich
com
e in to
our em
ergen
cy ro
om
related to
neu
rosu
rgical
pro
blem
s, we w
ould
be called
dow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
to see th
ese, and I
was u
pstairs v
iewin
g a m
ovie w
hen
I beard
that th
e Presid
ent h
ad arriv
ed an
d
so I th
ought I sh
ould
go d
ow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
and see w
hat th
e situa-
tion w
as. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd, upon your arrival at the emergency room
, who w
as present?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. O
h, I d
on't recall—
I know
that th
ere were a ro
om
full o
f doc-
tors-1
could
list specific o
nes th
at I remem
ber if y
ou w
ould
like.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Would you please?
Dr. S
AL
VE
R. I d
on
't really th
ink
I cou
ld g
ive y
ou
every
on
e, bu
t I remem
ber
Dr. Jen
kin
s and D
r. Perry
and D
r. Bax
ter, and also
Dr. B
ob M
cClellan
d an
d
Dr. C
arrico an
d D
r. Cren
shaw
, and I th
ink a D
r. Gen
e Akin
was th
ere also—
at that tim
e, wh
en I first cam
e in.
were a lo
t of p
eople so
rt or m
ovin
g in
eau
nurses in
there at th
at time.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Can you identify any of the nurses w
ho were there?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
O ; I can't.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as the P
residen
t's conditio
n at th
e time y
ou arriv
ed?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. It w
as critical. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat did you observe about him w
ith respect to any wounds he
may
hav
e sustain
ed?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. W
ell, I ob
served
that h
e did
hav
e som
e suck
ing
wo
un
d o
f som
e ty
pe o
n h
is neck
, and th
at he also
had
a wound o
f his rig
ht tem
poral reg
ion—
these w
ere the tw
o m
ain w
ou
nd
s, M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
id y
ou h
ave an
opportu
nity
to o
bserv
e his th
roat?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
o; I really
did
not. I th
ink th
ere were a lo
t of p
eople—
a lo
t of d
octo
rs more clo
sely aro
und h
im. I m
ight m
entio
n also
, I thin
k ju
st rig
ht a
tter I c
am
e in
the ro
om
Dr. C
lark
an
d D
r. Gro
ssman
also
arriv
ed
.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Doctor w
ho? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Dr. G
rossm
an, ju
st briefly
. He's a n
euro
surg
eon also
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat is his name?
Dr. &
stmt. D
r. Gro
ssman—
Bob G
rossm
an. H
e w
as ju
st there
, I thin
k,
briefly. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
ow long w
as he there? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I could
n't say
—I'm
not su
re he cam
e in th
e room
, I know
they
w
ere togeth
er—I can
not say
that fo
r sure.
Mr. S
e=E
a. To w
hat ex
tent d
id D
r. Cren
shaw
particip
ate? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Dr. C
rensh
aw p
articipated
about th
e exten
t that I d
id. W
e were
occu
pied
in m
akin
g su
re an I.V
. was g
oin
g an
d b
angin
g u
p a b
ottle o
f blo
od.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Is the—is D
r. Crenshaw
a resident? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes, h
e is third
-year resid
ent. T
hat's th
e reason
I remem
ber
him
specifically
becau
se we w
ere sort o
f work
ing th
ere togeth
er on th
at. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. I h
ad ask
ed y
ou
a mo
men
t ago
wh
ether y
ou
had
an o
pp
ortu
nity
to o
bserv
e the co
nditio
n o
f the P
residen
t's thro
at. D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Right.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as your answer to that question?
Dr. S
AL
YE
R. T
he an
swer w
as—th
ere were a lo
t of d
octo
rs standin
g aro
und,
and I d
idn't really
get to
observ
e the n
ature o
f the w
ound In
the th
roat.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. At ap
pro
xim
ately w
hat tim
e did
you arriv
e at the em
ergen
cy
roo
m w
here th
e Presid
ent w
as situated
? D
r. SA
LY
ER
. I really don't know.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as done fo
r the P
residen
t by w
ay o
f treatmen
t that y
ou
observed? D
r. SA
LV
ER
Well, an
adeq
uate airw
ay ev
entu
ally, o
f cou
rse, som
e extern
al card
iac massag
e—he h
ad I.V
.'s—in
traven
ous flu
ids g
oin
g in
a num
ber o
f sites,
and
all of th
e acute m
easures w
e adm
inistered
him
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. I d
idn't h
ear you at th
e end o
f your an
swer.
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I said
—all o
f the m
any o
ther m
easures th
at we ad
min
istered—
I d
on
't recall specifically
som
e of th
e oth
er details as far as m
edicatio
ns an
d
so fo
rth.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Wh
at did
yo
u o
bserv
e with
respect to
the h
ead w
ou
nd
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I came in
an
the left aid
e of h
im an
d n
oticed
that h
is majo
r w
ound se
em
ed to
be in
his rig
ht te
mpora
l are
a, a
t least fro
m th
e p
oin
t of
view
that I co
uld
see him
, and o
ther th
an th
at—noth
ing o
ther th
an h
e did
hav
e a g
apin
g scalp
wound—
cranial w
ound.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
- Has an
yone fro
m th
e Fed
eral Govern
men
t talked
to y
ou ab
out
your o
bserv
ations o
f this m
atter? D
r. SA
LT
F.R
. No one has.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Do
you h
ave an
yth
ing to
add w
hich
you th
ink m
ay b
e of aid
to
the P
residen
t's Co
mm
ission
in Its in
quiry
? D
r. SA
LV
ER
. No, I believe not.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Thank you very m
uch, Dr. S
alyer. D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Thank you.
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81
80
a I lank al I
t.a. lilt. L
lJed
LIA
NU
I 1L
4
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....u. A
vrm
." A
ra.
The testim
ony o
f Dr. K
enneth
Everett S
alyer w
as talent at 6
:15 p
.m.. o
n
March 25, 1964, at P
arkland Mem
orial Hospital, D
nIIas, Tex., by M
r. Arlen S
pec-ter, assistan
t cou
nsel o
f the P
residen
t's Co
mm
ission
.
Mr. S
eecerEn. M
ay th
e record
show
that D
r. Ken
neth
Saly
er is presen
t in
respo
nse to
an in
qu
iry th
at he ap
pear to
hav
e his d
epo
sition
taken
in co
nn
ection
w
ith th
e inquiries b
eing co
nducted
by th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n o
n th
e Assassi-
natio
n o
f Presid
ent K
enn
edy
, wh
ich Is lo
ok
ing
into
all facets of th
e sho
otin
g,
inclu
din
g th
e wounds o
f the P
residen
t and th
e care he receiv
ed at P
arklan
d
Hosn
ital. W
ith th
at prelim
inary
statemen
t of p
urp
ose, D
r. Saly
er, will y
ou stan
d u
p
and
raise yo
ur rig
ht h
and
? D
o y
ou so
lemnly
swear th
at the testim
ony y
ou w
ill giv
e befo
re the P
residen
t'v
Co
mm
ission
in th
e cou
rse of th
is dep
ositio
n w
ill be th
e truth
, the w
ho
le truth
. an
d n
oth
ing b
ut th
e truth
, so h
elp y
ou G
od?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. I do.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Hav
e you h
ad an
opportu
nity
to ex
amin
e the d
ocu
men
t or th
e E
xecu
tive o
rder creatin
g th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n an
d R
ules fo
r the tak
ing
of testim
on
y?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. Yes; I h
ave.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. An
d are y
ou w
illing to
hav
e you
r dep
ositio
n tak
en to
day
with
out
hav
ing
the fo
rmal th
ree day
s of w
ritten n
otice, w
hich
yo
u h
ave a rig
ht to
, if y
ou
wish
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Yo
u are w
illing
to w
aive th
at righ
t. is that rig
ht?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ould you state your full name for the record, please?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. K
enneth
Everett S
alyer.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What la your profession?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. P
hysician
. M
r. SPEC
TE
R.
Are y
ou d
uly
licensed
to p
ractice med
icine b
y th
e State o
f Tex
as? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes ; I am
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd
wo
uld
yo
u o
utlin
e briefly
yo
ur ed
ucatio
nal b
ackg
rou
nd
, please?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. A
B.S
. deg
ree at the U
niv
ersity o
f Kan
sas, an M
.D. d
egree at th
e U
niv
ersity o
f Kan
sas, and in
ternsh
ip at P
arklan
d, an
d n
ow
a first year resid
ent
in su
rgery
at Park
land
Ho
spital.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. In w
hat y
ear did
yo
u g
radu
ate from
the U
niv
ersity o
f Kan
sas M
edical School?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. 1962.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And bow
old are you, Dr. S
alyer? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I AIR
27.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Will y
ou relate b
riefly th
e circum
stances su
rroundin
g y
our b
eing
called in
to assist in
the treatm
ent o
f Presid
ent K
enned
y?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. Well, fo
r the m
on
th o
f No
vem
ber, as p
art of o
ur ro
tation
on
sur-
gery
, I spen
t that m
onth
on n
euro
surg
ery, an
d b
eing o
n call th
at day
for an
y
emerg
encies w
hich
com
e In to
our em
ergen
cy ro
om
related to
neu
rosu
rgical
pro
blem
s, we w
ould
be called
dow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
to see th
ese, and I
was u
pstairs v
iewin
g a m
ov
ie wh
en I b
eard th
at the P
residen
t had
arrived
and
so
I thought I sh
ould
go d
ow
n to
the em
ergen
cy ro
om
and see w
hat th
e situa-
tion
was.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And, upon your arrival at the em
ergency room, w
ho was present?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. O
h. I d
on
't recall—I k
no
w th
at there w
ere a roo
m fu
ll of d
oe-
tors--I co
uld
list specific o
nes th
at I remem
ber if y
ou w
ould
like.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
Wo
uld
yo
u p
lease? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I don
't really th
ink I co
uld
giv
e you
every
on
e, bu
t I remem
ber
Dr. Jen
kin
s and D
r. Perry
and D
r. Bax
ter, and also
Dr. B
ob M
cClellan
d an
d
Dr. C
arrico an
d D
r. Cren
shaw
, and I th
ink a D
r. Gen
e Akin
was th
ere also—
at that tim
e, wh
en I first cam
e in.
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. N
o; I d
on
't recall any
oth
e-s—th
ere cou
ld h
ave b
een so
me, th
ere w
ere a lot o
f peo
ple so
rt of m
ov
ing
in an
d o
ut. T
here certain
ly w
ere a lot o
f nurses in
there at th
at time.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Can you Identify any of the nurses w
ho were there?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
o; I can't. M
r. SPE
CT
ER
. What w
as the P
residen
t's conditio
n at th
e time y
ou arriv
ed?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. It w
as critical. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat did you observe about him w
ith respect to any wounds he
may
hav
e sustain
ed?
Dr.
SAL
TE
D-
Well, I o
bserv
ed th
at be d
id h
ave so
me su
ckin
g w
ound o
f som
e ty
pe o
n h
is neck
, and th
at he also
had
a wound o
f his rig
ht tem
poral reg
ion—
th
ese were th
e two
main
wo
un
ds.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Did
you h
ave an
opportu
nity
to o
bserv
e his th
roat?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. N
o; I really
did
no
t. I thin
k th
ere were a lo
t of p
eop
le—a
lot o
f docto
rs more clo
sely aro
und h
im. I m
ight m
entio
n also
, I thin
k ju
st rig
ht a
fter I c
am
e in
the ro
om
Dr. C
lark
and D
r. Gro
ssman a
lso a
rrived.
-Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Docto
r who?
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. D
r. Gro
ssman
, just b
riefly. H
e's a neu
rosu
rgeo
n also
. M
r. SPEC
TE
R. W
hat is h
is nam
e? D
r. SA
nxxB
. Dr. G
rossm
an—
Bob G
rossm
an. H
e was ju
st there, I th
ink,
briefly. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
ow long w
as he there? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I could
n't say
—I'm
not su
re he cam
e in th
e room
. I know
they
w
ere tog
ether—
I cann
ot say
that fo
r sure.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. To w
hat extent did Dr. C
renshaw participate?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. Dr. C
rensh
aw p
articipated
about th
e exten
t that I d
id. W
e were
occu
pied
in m
akin
g su
re an I.V
. was g
oin
g an
d h
ang
ing
up
a bo
ttle of b
loo
d.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
.. Is the—is D
r. Crenshaw
a resident? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Yes, h
e is third
-year resid
ent- T
hat's th
e reason I rem
ember
him
specifically
becau
se we w
ere sort o
f work
ing th
ere togeth
er on th
at. M
r. SPECTER
. I h
ad ask
ed y
ou a m
om
ent ag
o w
heth
er you b
ad an
opportu
nity
to
observ
e the co
nditio
n o
f the P
residen
t's thro
at. D
r. SAL
TE
R. R
igh
t. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat was your answ
er to that question? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. The an
swer w
as—th
ere were a lo
t of d
octo
rs standin
g aro
und,
and
I did
n't really
get to
ob
serve th
e natu
re of th
e wo
un
d in
the th
roat.
Mr.
SPEC
TE
R. A
t app
rox
imately
wh
at time d
id y
ou
arrive at th
e emerg
ency
ro
om
where th
e Presid
ent w
as situated
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. I really don't know.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. What w
as done fo
r the P
residen
t by w
ay o
f treatmen
t that y
ou
observed? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. Well, an
adeq
uate airw
ay ev
entu
ally, o
f course, so
me ex
ternal
cardiac m
assage—
he h
ad I.V
.'s—in
traven
ou
s fluid
s go
ing
in a n
um
ber o
f sites. an
d all o
f the acu
te measu
res we ad
min
istered h
im.
Mr. S
eecrEe.. I d
idn't b
ear you at th
e end o
f your an
swer.
Dr. S
AL
TE
R. I said
—all o
f the m
any
oth
er measu
res that w
e adm
inistered
—
don't recall sp
ecifically so
me o
f the o
ther d
etails as far as med
ication
s and
so
forth
. M
r. SPEC
TE
R. W
hat d
id y
ou o
bserv
e with
respect to
the h
ead w
ound?
Dr.
SA
LT
ER
. I cam
e in o
n th
e left side o
f him
and n
oticed
that h
is majo
r w
ound se
em
ed to
be in
his rig
ht te
mpora
l are
a, a
t least fro
m th
e p
oin
t of
view
that I co
uld
see him
, and o
ther th
an th
at—noth
ing o
ther th
an h
e did
hav
e a g
apin
g scalp
wo
un
d—
cranial w
ou
nd
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
as anyone fro
m th
e Fed
eral Govern
men
t talked
to y
ou ab
out
yo
ur o
bserv
ation
s of th
is matter?
Dr. SA
LT
ER
. No
on
e has.
Mr. SPE
CT
ER
. Do
yo
u h
ave an
yth
ing
to ad
d w
hich
yo
u th
ink
may
be o
f aid to
th
e Presid
ent's C
om
missio
n in
its inq
uiry
? D
r. SA
LT
ER
. No, I believe not.
Mr. S
PE
cik.a. Thank you very m
uch, Dr. S
alyer. D
r. SAL
TE
R. T
han
k y
ou.
81
tion ta
ken ye
sterd
ay th
at yo
u h
ave
som
e in
form
atio
n o
f valu
e to
pro
vide to
us
so th
at th
e re
gula
r pro
cedure
has n
ot b
een fo
llow
ed o
f sendin
g y
ou a
copy o
f th
e E
xecu
tive o
rde
r or o
f the
reso
lutio
n co
nce
rnin
g th
e p
roce
du
res o
f the
takin
g
of te
stimo
ny.
Pe
rmit m
e to
ma
ke th
ose
do
cum
en
ts ava
ilab
le to
you
. (H
anded in
strum
ents to
the W
itness H
ench
liffe.)
Let m
e sa
y that sin
ce ye
sterd
ay I h
ave
conta
cted M
r. J. Lee R
ankin
, Genera
l C
ou
nse
l. in W
ash
ing
ton
an
ti he
ha
s a
uth
oriz
ed
the
takin
g o
f this
de
po
sitio
n
by le
tter, w
hic
h I re
ce
ive
d to
da
y. s
o th
at it h
as b
een a
uth
oriz
ed, a
nd th
e re
al
questio
n I h
ave w
ith y
ou is
wheth
er it is
ail rig
ht w
ith y
ou to
pro
vid
e u
s w
ith
the
info
rma
tion
you
ha
ve to
da
y, as o
pp
ose
d to
som
etim
e n
ext w
ee
k afte
r you
hare
had th
e 3
days' n
otice
which
you a
re e
ntitle
d to
if you w
ant it?
M
iss F
lexcutiv
re. It is
all rig
ht w
ith m
e.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Is IF
all rig
ht w
ith y
ou to
pro
ceed a
nd h
ave y
our d
epositio
n
take
n to
da
y?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. Ye
s, sir. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
o yo
u so
lem
nly sw
ea
r tha
t the
testim
on
y you
sha
ll give
be
fore
th
is C
om
mis
sio
n a
s it is
hold
ing d
epositio
n p
roceedin
gs n
ow
will b
e th
e tru
th.
the w
hole
truth
, and n
oth
ing b
ut th
e tru
th, so
help
you G
od?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIFF
E. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ill you
state
you
r full n
am
e. p
lea
se?
M
iss HE
NC
HLIF
FE
. Marg
are
t M. H
ench
liffe.
Mr. S
PE
CTE
R. W
ha
t is you
r occu
pa
tion
or p
rofe
ssion
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. I am
a n
urse
, registe
red n
urse
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd w
here
are
you e
mplo
yed?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. Pa
rklan
d M
em
oria
l Ho
spita
l. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. A
nd
wh
ere
we
re yo
u e
mp
loye
d o
n N
ove
mb
er 2
2, 1
96
3?
M
iss HE
NC
HL
IFF
E. P
arkla
nd
Me
mo
rial H
osp
ital.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d w
ere
you
no
tified
on
tha
t da
te th
at th
e P
resid
en
t wa
s on
h
is w
ay to
the
ho
sp
ital?
M
iSS
.HE
NC
HLIF
FE
. Na. s
ir : I did
n't k
now
it at th
e tim
e u
ntil la
ter.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. When d
id yo
u first le
arn
about it, if a
t all?
M
iss H
tscrm
ere
. I found o
ut w
ho it w
as w
hen I w
ent o
ut to
get b
lood.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. About w
hat tim
e o
f day w
as th
at?
M
iss HF
.NC
HL
TE
FE
. We
ll, I gu
ess it w
as a
bo
ut 2
min
ute
s afte
r he
cam
e in
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
id yo
u o
bse
rve h
im a
t som
e p
lace
in th
e h
osp
ital?
M
iss HE
NC
IILIF
FE
. I was w
orkin
g w
ith h
im In
the e
merg
ency ro
om
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. H
ad
he
arrive
d in
the
em
erg
ency ro
om
wh
en
you
first arrive
d
at th
e site
of th
e e
me
rge
ncy ro
om
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIFF
E. D
O w
hat?
M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
ere
you in
the a
rea o
f the e
merg
ency ro
om
befo
re h
e ca
me
there
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIFF
E. Y
es. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
id yo
u se
e h
im a
ctually w
heele
d in
to th
e e
merg
ency ro
om
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. Yes; in
fact, I h
elp
ed w
heel h
im o
n in
to tra
um
a ro
om
1.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d, w
he
re w
as h
e w
he
n yo
u first sa
w h
int?
M
iss H
se
cuurrs
. He w
as b
etw
een tra
um
a ro
om
s 1
and 2
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R_ D
id yo
u se
e h
im w
hen h
e w
as b
rought in
to th
e h
osp
ital itse
lf?
Mis
s H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. At th
e e
me
rge
ncy e
ntra
nce
—n
o. It w
as a
fter b
e c
am
e
into
the e
merg
ency ro
om
. M
r. SPECTER
. He
cam
e In
to th
e e
me
rge
ncy a
rea
?
Mis
s H
eaccH
urrt. Y
es.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. A.n
d th
en yo
u sa
w h
im a
nd h
elp
ed w
heel h
im, yo
u sa
y, into
the e
me
rge
ncy ro
om
No
. 1?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIFF
E_ Y
es. M
r. Senc- re
s. A
nd
wh
o e
lse
wa
s p
rese
nt a
t the
time
yo
u firs
t sa
w h
im w
he
n
he
ha
d Ju
st com
e in
to th
e e
me
rge
ncy a
rea
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. Let m
e se
e, I th
ink D
r. Carrico
was th
ere
—he w
as th
ere
very
shortly
atte
r—afte
rward
s.
qvrr-r,-1
1 'a
n ,v
as th
ere
wh
en
rim s
rrive
rl? O
r nrric
od
sh
ortly
-afte
r
Mis
s H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. Well, a
ctu
ally
I went in
ahead o
f the c
art w
ith h
im a
nd
I wa
s th
e firs
t on
e in
with
him
, an
d ju
st in
a m
inu
te. o
r se
co
nd
s, D
r. Ca
rrico
ca
me
In.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. And w
hat o
ther d
octo
rs arrive
d, if a
ny?
M
iss HE
NC
HLIF
FE
. Oh, gee.
Le
t's see
—th
ere
wa
s Dr. B
axte
r. Dr. P
erry, a
nd
yo
u w
ant a
ll of th
em
that w
ere
in th
e ro
om
?
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. If you
can
rem
em
be
r the
m.
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. Dr. K
em
p C
lark, D
r. Jen
kins. D
r. Pe
ters, D
r. Cre
nsh
aw
, a
nd
the
re w
as so
me
wo
ma
n a
ne
sthe
tist tha
t I do
n't kn
ow
wh
ich—
wh
o it w
as.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Wh
at d
id yo
u o
bse
rve to
be
the
Pre
side
nt's co
nd
ition
wh
en
you firs
t saw
him
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
. I saw
him
bre
ath
e a
couple
of tim
es a
nd th
at w
as a
ll. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. D
id you see an
y wo
un
d a
nyw
he
re O
n h
is bo
dy?
M
iss HE
NC
HL
IFF
E. Y
es; h
e w
as ve
ry blo
od
y, his h
ea
d w
as ve
ry blo
od
y wh
en
I s
aw
him
at th
e tim
e.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
you e
ver se
e a
ny w
ound in
any o
ther p
art o
f his b
ody?
M
iss HE
NC
IILIF
FE
. When I first sa
w h
im—
exce
pt h
is head.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Did
you
see
an
y wo
un
d o
n a
ny o
the
r pa
rt of h
is bo
dy?
M
iss L
inxcrtu
rrE. Y
es; In
the
ne
ck.
Mr. S
escrrn
s. Will yo
u d
escrib
e it, p
lea
se?
M
iss HE
NcH
LIT
FE
. It was Ju
st a little
hole
in th
e m
iddle
of h
is neck.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. About h
ow
big
a h
ole
was it?
M
iss HE
NC
HL
IFF
E. A
bo
ut a
s big
aro
un
d a
s the
en
d o
f my little
fing
er.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Ha
ve yo
u e
ver h
ad
an
y exp
erie
nce
with
bu
llet h
ole
s?
Mis
s H
EN
cuurs
i. Yes.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d w
ha
t did
tha
t ap
pe
ar to
you
to b
e?
M
iss HE
NC
HLIF
FE
. An e
ntra
tiestm
gitt..,
ki
ekkaip4
41
44
;tre.
Mr. S
ee
cre
a. C
ou
ld T
r- .
aft -a
l. et h
ole
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIT
TE
. I ha
ve n
eve
r see
n a
n e
xit bu
llet b
ole
—I d
on
't rem
em
be
r se
ein
g o
ne
tha
t loo
ked
like th
at.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Wh
at w
ere
the
cha
racte
ristics of th
e h
ole
?
Miss H
EN
CH
LIF
FE
_ It w
as Ju
st a little
rou
nd
—Ju
st a little
rou
nd
ho
le, Ju
st a
little ro
und ja
gged-lo
okin
g—
Jagged a
little b
it. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat e
xperie
nce
have
you h
ad h
i obse
rving b
ulle
t hole
s, MIS
S
Hench
liffe?
Miss H
E:IC
.111.H
W. W
ell, w
e ta
ke ca
re o
f a lo
t of b
ulle
t wounds d
ow
n th
ere
—
I don't k
now
how
many n
year.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. Have
you e
ver h
ad a
ny fo
rmal stu
die
s of b
ulle
t hole
s?
Miss F
iEN
CIT
UF
FE
. Oh, n
o; n
oth
ing e
xcept m
y exp
erie
nce
in th
e e
merg
ency
MO
M.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. In w
hit'
Miss H
EN
CH
UF
FE
. In th
e e
me
rge
ncy ro
om
is all.
Mr. S
PE
CT
EIL
Wh
at w
as d
on
e to
the
Pre
side
nt a
fter h
e a
rrived
at th
e e
me
r- g
en
cy roo
m?
M
iss HE
NC
TIL
IFF
E. W
ell th
e first th
ing
, his e
nd
otru
che
al tu
be
wa
s inse
rted
. M
r. SP
EC
TER
. Were
you p
rese
nt a
ll the tim
e b
e w
as in
the e
merg
ency ro
om
?
Miss H
eecu
tursn
. Exce
pt w
hen I le
ft out to
get b
lood.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d h
ow
lon
g w
ere
you
go
ne
?
Mis
s H
ae
cu
trrre. O
h, a
bo
ut 3
min
ute
s o
r so
-3 o
r 4 m
inu
tes.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d w
ere
you
pre
sen
t wh
en
he
wa
s pro
no
un
ced
de
ad
?
Miss H
escsru
rve. Y
es, sir.
Mr.
SP
EC
TER
, What w
as d
one w
ith th
e P
resid
ent's
body a
fter h
e w
as p
ro-
no
un
ced
to b
e d
ea
d?
M
iss lin:scu
mrrve
. Well, a
fter th
e la
st rites w
ere
said
we th
en u
ndre
ssed h
im
and clea
ne
d h
im u
p a
nd
wra
pp
ed
him
up
in sh
ee
ts un
til the
coffin
wa
s bro
ug
ht.
Mr. S
evxre
a. A
nd a
fter th
e co
ffin a
rrived, w
hat w
as d
one w
ith h
is body?
M
iss HE
NC
HL
IFF
E. H
e w
as p
lace
d in
the
coffin
. M
r. SP
EC
TE
R. W
hat h
ad h
e b
een o
n u
p u
ntil th
at tim
e?
Mis
s H
escutlifk
.. An e
merg
ency ro
om
cart.
Mr. S
PE
CT
ER
. An
d is th
at a
lso d
escrib
ed
as a
stretch
er?