john beggs: a defense of the soul
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A defense of the soul from a practicing neuroscientist
John BeggsIndiana UniversityPhysics
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Acknowledgements• Aonan Tang• Jon Hobbs• Shinya Ito• Shellie Heuther• Matt Dornfeld
• David Feldheim• Sasha Sher• Matthew Grivich• Sergei Kachiguine
• Olaf Sporns• Duane Nykamp• Nicho Hatsopoulos
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Acknowledgements• Aonan Tang• Jon Hobbs• Shinya Ito• Shellie Heuther• Matt Dornfeld
• David Feldheim• Sasha Sher• Matthew Grivich• Sergei Kachiguine
• Olaf Sporns• Duane Nykamp• Nicho Hatsopoulos
…and God
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Disclaimer
Our sponsors have funded our research, but the opinions I am expressing today should not be assumed to represent their views on the soul!
In addition, the philosophical views that I am expressing today are not necessarily supported by the scientists whose work I cite here. The vast majority of neuroscientists are physicalists, although some might be dualists.
In short, the views I am expressing today are my own. Please do not make any assumptions about the views of others.
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Outline
• Physicalism or dualism?
• Modern neuroscience: Physicalism
• Common sense and religion: Dualism
• What’s at stake
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Outline
• Physicalism or dualism?
• Modern neuroscience: Physicalism
• Common sense and religion: Dualism
• What’s at stake
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What is the Biblical view?• “Today you will be with me in paradise.” -Luke
23:43
• “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather be afraid of the One who is able to destroy soul as well as body in hell.” –Matt 10:28
• “I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far.” -Phil 1:23
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What is the Biblical view?• “Today you will be with me in paradise.” -Luke
23:43
• “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather be afraid of the One who is able to destroy soul as well as body in hell.” –Matt 10:28
• “I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far.” -Phil 1:23
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What is the Biblical view?• “Today you will be with me in paradise.” -Luke
23:43
• “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather be afraid of the One who is able to destroy soul as well as body in hell.” –Matt 10:28
• “I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far.” -Phil 1:23
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What is the Biblical view?• “Today you will be with me in paradise.” -Luke
23:43
• “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather be afraid of the One who is able to destroy soul as well as body in hell.” –Matt 10:28
• “I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far.” -Phil 1:23
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The opposing view
• “All that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be.” –Pink Floyd
• “Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Macbeth (Act V, Scene V).
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The opposing view
• “The astonishing hypothesis is that ‘You,’ your joys and sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules. As Lewis Carroll’s Alice might have phrased it: ‘You’re nothing but a pack of neurons.’” -Francis Crick
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The mind/body problem
Physicalism Dualism
Property dualism Substance dualism
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Outline
• Physicalism or dualism?
• Modern neuroscience: Physicalism
• Common sense and religion: Dualism
• What’s at stake
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Can we explain sensation in physical terms?
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Typical laboratory experimental setup
From the lab of Rob de Ruyter, Indiana University
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mounted on stepper motor
rotation axis
fly
electrode
electrode holder and amplifier
Setup for outdoor experiment
From the lab of Rob de Ruyter, Indiana University
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From the lab of Rob de Ruyter, Indiana University
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Detecting motion throughout the day: Photon shot noise limits vision in natural conditions
noon
30 min before sunset
30 min aftersunset
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But does it work in mammals?
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Recording from a cat
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From the lab of David McCormick, Yale University
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Cells respond to specific orientation
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Even more interesting responses…
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Even more interesting responses…
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Even more interesting responses…
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Even more interesting responses…
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Even more interesting responses…
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Similar explanations for audition, olfaction, gustation, touch
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Can movement be explained?
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Can movement be explained?
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What about decisions?
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Influencing decisions in a leech
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Influencing decisions in a primate
View random dot drift movies
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What about memory?
Show video from Fried lab
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How can cells store memories?
For this, we need emergent properties
Conway’s game of life is an example
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Recalling an embedded pattern with collective activity
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Is there evidence for emergent properties at the network level?
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Cortical slice cultures with multielectrode arraysWe can eavesdrop on neural
networks
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Sixty microelectrodes
Width of humanhair
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Activity from 60 wires
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Electrical network activity
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Now with 512 electrodes
In collaboration with Alan Litke, UC Santa Cruz
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A sequence
time (4 ms frames)
Size: 9 electrodes activated
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Do these sequences occur randomly?
Poisson
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Highly structured, emergent activations
Beggs and Plenz, J Neuroscience 2003 Neuronal avalanches
α ≈ -3/2
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Similar patterns in human tissue
In collaboration with Jodi L. Smith, IUPUI
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So, modern neuroscience can explain sensation, action, decisions, memory.
All that is left is that silly little feeling of subjective self. It is almost certainly an emergent property. This ‘You’ is only an illusion. (e.g. Daniel Dennett,see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb2ok2-owh4 )
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The bars are straight, but appear curved
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Free will is an illusion
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Benjamin Libet’s experiment
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Readiness potential precedes will to move
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God is an illusion
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There are…recent examples [of TE], like one of the founders of the Seventh Day Adventist Movement, Ellen White. Born in 1827, she suffered a brain injury aged 9 that totally changed her personality. She also began to have powerful religious visions.
Temporal lobe epilepsy (TE)
Disruptions of this general area may also lead to increased ritual behavior.
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Michael Persinger
80% of Dr Michael Persinger's experimental subjects report that an artificial magnetic field focused on …[left temporal lobe] brain areas gives them a feeling of 'not being alone'. Some of them describe it as a religious sensation.
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Is there any hope for the soul?
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Outline
• Physicalism or dualism?
• Modern neuroscience: Physicalism
• Common sense and religion: Dualism
• What’s at stake
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I think, therefore I am
Rene Descartes
It is obvious that I think and feel things.
In fact, this subjective experience seems to be the most fundamental truth that I know.
This experience is so powerful that there must be extremely strong arguments against it before I believe that consciousness is illusory.
It is obvious that I think and feel things.
In fact, this subjective experience seems to be the most fundamental truth that I know.
This experience is so powerful that there must be extremely strong arguments against it before I believe that consciousness is illusory.
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Reply to Dennett
Daniel Dennett
It is granted that I can be fooled by optical illusions.
But this means there is another part of me that ‘knows’ that it was an illusion. What part is that?
Two options:
1. It is a part of me that is really conscious. So consciousness exists after all.
2. It is a part of me that could be fooled by other things, including your argument. Then why should I believe that your argument is real? (self-contradictory)
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Response to Libet’s experiments
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Response to Libet’s experiments
Will
Hand movement
Conscious reflectionon decision
Are there any examples of our awareness “lagging behind”?
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Response to Libet’s experiments
Will
Hand movement
Conscious reflectionon decision
Readinesspotential
“I have decided”
Are there any examples of our awareness “lagging behind”?
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Blindsight
(Lawrence Weiskrantz)
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So, conscious awareness can come after recognition
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Also…
Low-level processes are often automatic: I can tie myshoes without thinking about it; I can drive home in my sleep. I have subconscious biases in my thoughts.
Do these low-level processes truly reflect my will, or do they just reflect my tendencies?
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Implicit Association Test (IAT)https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/
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Implicit Association Test (IAT)https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/
Laughter
orGood
orEvil
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So…
My tendencies could be detected by electrodes, or by questionsthat you ask me.
But I do not necessarily act on all my tendencies.
Example: I may be angry at someone, but I may chose to forgive them.
Which takes more “willpower”: anger or forgiveness?
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Free Will
• Free will may be a new type of process, as yet not fully understood.
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Free Will
• Free will may be a new type of process, as yet not fully understood.
• Signals of my intentions may come before my sensed decision. But my choice may actually come before both.
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Free Will
• Free will may be a new type of process, as yet not fully understood.
• Signals of my intentions may come before my sensed decision. But my choice may actually come before both.
• We have many strong automatic tendencies, but these are often overruled by our will.
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Reply to Persinger
I can also create the illusion of spirals by giving people LSD. Does this mean that all spirals are just figments of the mind? No real spirals exist?
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If free will is an illusion, then there is no moral responsibility
Yet, telling people that there is no free will actually makes them more likely to behave in an unkind way!
Shooting someone is never wrong if you could not have done otherwise. The view that there is no moral responsibility is so contrary to intuition that there should be strong evidence before we overturn it.
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Argument based on reason
JP Moreland
I can reason based on evidence and arguments.
But if my thoughts are just the effects of physical causes, then they are not the effects of reason.
If this is true, then I have no way of reasoning about anything, including skepticism of the soul. (self defeating)
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Mental events have different properties than physical events
JP Moreland
Objects have mass and length and color…
my ideas and feelings do not.
Mental events, consciousness, my soul, could all
be made out of a different “substance.”
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Synaptic proteins completely turn over every 7 yrs
Therefore ‘You’ can not be equivalent to your brain
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Wave in tank
Could our minds move in a similar way?
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Many common-sense arguments show that pure physicalism is self-contradictory.
Common-sense notions of experience and morality should not be overturned lightly.
“Scientific” claims that we now understand the brain are overstated.
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Outline
• Physicalism or dualism?
• Modern neuroscience: Physicalism
• Common sense and religion: Dualism
• What’s at stake
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If there is a soul
• “…there has been a connection both historically and theologically between the existence of a substantial soul and the supernatural realm. If the soul exists, then this is very good reason to think that a personal, self-aware being – God –exists.” -J.P.Moreland
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If there is no soul
• “These [embryos] are microscopic groupings of a few differentiated cells. There is nothing human about them except potential – and, if you chose to believe it, a soul.” –Michael Kinsley, Time magazine, June 25, 2001 (from J.P. Moreland)
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But does philosophy have any impact on real-world events?
John Locke – American revolutionKarl Marx – Russian revolution
Mind/Body debate – Euthanasia, abortion, value of human life, how we treat each other, empathy, war, whether people accept God or not…
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“God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship him in spirit and in truth.” – John 4:24
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Thanks!