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Report of the Committee on

Recreational Vehicles

Mark Luttich, Cha/r Nebraska Dept. of Health, NE

Bruce A. Hopkins, Secretary Recreation Vehicle Industry Assn., VA

Donald D. Bartz, Winnebago Industries, Inc., IA Joseph M. Bloom, Bloom Fire Investigation, OR Orville H. Cummings, Florida Bureau of Mobile Home & Rec Vehicle Const., FL Daniel F. Fitzgerald, State of California, CA

~ n P. Harvey, State of Washington, WA ph E. Herzler, Majara Corp.,MI

Jon O. Jacobson,Jacobson Engr, WA George E. Kiefer, State of Arizona, AZ Shawn D. MacGregor, Terraiab Engr Int'l, UT

]_~ hn Pabian, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., IL omer Staves, Kampgrounds of America, Inc., MT

Raymond F. Tucker, RADCO, CA Gary Wight, Park Washington, WA Rep. Nat'l Assn. of RV Parks & Campgrounds

Robert E. Wozniak, Fleetwood Enterprises, Inc., CA Patrick Yee, Canadian Standards Assn., ON

Alternates

Christopher J. Bloom, CJB Fire Consultants, OR (Alt. toJ. M. Bloom)

James W. Finch, Kampgrounds of America, Inc., MT (Alt. to H. Staves)

Kent Perkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Assn., VA (Ak. to B. A. Hopkins)

Toby Pimentai, State of Arizona, AZ (Alt. to G. E. Kiefer)

James R. Thiel, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., IL (/kit. toJ. Pabian)

Staff Liaison: Walter P. Stealing

This list represents the membership at the time the Committee was balloted on the text of this edition. Since that time, changes in the membership ma 3 have occurred.

Committee Scope: This Committee shall have primary responsibU- ity for documents on the fire safety criteria for recreational vehicles and recreational vehicle parks.

This portion of the Technical Committee Report of the Committee on Recreational Vehicles is presented for adoption in 2 parts.

Part I of this Report on Comments was prepared by the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles, and documents its action on the comments received on its Report on Proposals on NFPA 501C- 1993, Standard on Recreational Vehicles, as published in the Report on Proposals for the 1995 Fall Meeting.

Part I of this Report on Comments has been submitted to letter ballot of the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles, which consists of 17 voting members. The results of the balloting can be found in the report.

Part II of this Report on Comments was prepared by the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles, and documents its action on the comments received on its Report on Proposals on NFPA 501D- 1993, Standard on Recreational Vehicle Parks and Campgrounds, as published in the Report on Proposals for the 1995 Fall Meeting.

Part II of this Report on Comments has been submitted to letter ballot of the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles, which consists of 17 voting members. The results of the balloting can be fund in the report.

PART I

(Log #10) 501C- 1 - (1-3 Park Trailer): Reject SUBMITI'ER: Orville Cummings, State of Florida, Division of Motor Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-1 RECOMMENDATION: The term Park Trailer should not be deleted, revise the term to read "Recreational" Park Trailer. SUBSTANTIATION: The term "Recreational" Park Trailer is a valid part of the recreational industry. The term or name has been revised in the ANSI A119.4/NFPA 501D "Recreational Park Trailer." The change will also be incorporated into ANSI A119.5. COMMITrEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITYEE STATEMENT.. The committee reconfirms that park trailers should not be listed as an entity of the term "Recreational Vehicle". NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITrEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 15 NOT RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker

(Log #22) 501C- 2 - (1-3 Park Trailer): Accept SUBMITTER: Bruce A~ Hopkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-1 RECOMMENDATION: Change the current definition term to read:

Recreational Park Trailer. See ANSI Al19.5, Standard for Park Trailers. SUBSTANTIATION: Editorial: Maintain consistency between NFPA 501C (ANSI Al19.2) and ANSI Al19.4 (NFPA 501D). The A119 committee made this same change throughout ANSI A119.4.

NOTE: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters. COMMI'ITEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


(Log #CC1 ) 501C- 3 - (2-2.5): Accept SUBMITTE~ Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-2 RECOMMENDATION: Change the sentence to read as proposed by Mr. Wozniak in his negative vote recorded on page 247 of the ROP. The sentence should read "LP Gas containers located less than 18 in. (475 ram) from the exhaust system, the transmission, or a heat producing component of the internal combustion engine, shall be shieldedby a vehicle flame member or by a noncombustible baffle, with an air space on both sides of the frame member or baffle." SUBSTANTIATION: More accurately reflects the committee's intenL COMMITI'~I~ ACTION: Accept. NUMBER O F COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


( Log #17) 501G-4- (2-2.9.2(c)): Hold for Further Study SUBMITTEI~ Bruce A. Hopkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-5 RECOMMENDATION: Accept original recommendation as. submitted.

NOTE: Existing (c) through (f) should relabeled as (d) through (g). SUBSTANTIATION: Paragraph 2-2.7.6 does not address the submitter's concern as stated by the committee. 2-2.7.6 addresses only the regulators used in the standard low pressure (10 in. - 14 in. water column) RV LP gas systems. Paragraph 2-2.9.2 addresses a special exception for requirements for highpressure LP-gas systems on RVs. The only requirements for these high pressure systems are in 2-2.9.2 and a requirement for regulator protection is needed here,

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COMMITTEE ACTION: Hold for Further Study. COMMITrEE STATEMENT: To accomplish this, additional study of text is needed to evaluate sizing changes and similar concerns. The intent of the committee is that all o ther chapter 2 requirements should apply not just regulator requirements. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


(Log #18) 501C-5 - (2.4.1.7): Reject SUBMITFER: Bruce A. Hopkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-9 RECOMMENDATION: Add to end of 2nd sentence of new revised language:

"..., except where adequate anchoring is provided by other means of a t tachment to a structural member ." SUBSTANTIATION: The revised language would only allow metal straps or hangers to be used for rigidly anchor ing the supply connection. The supply connect ions often are rigidly anchored by use of a bulkhead fitting for direct a t tachment to a structural member without the use of any metal strap of hangers. COMMITrEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The change suggested in the comment is unnecessary as the first sentence addresses the submitter 's concern. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


COMMENT ON AFFIRMATIVE: " HOPKINS: Section should be 2-4.17.

(Log #19) 501G- 6 - (2-4.1.8.2): Accept SUBMITTER: Bruce A. Hopkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-11 RECOMMENDATION: Reject this proposal and accept the language proposed in Proposal 501G-28 (Log#20) as follows:

Add new language as follows to the beginning of the 3rd sentence of the second paragraph:

"When the test trau~e is installed downstream of an annliance b e f o r e t h e t e s t is begun,. . ." " " TIATION: The current new language (qf tes t ing through

the range regulator") does not indicate where the test equipment should be located. The test gauge should be installed downstream of an appliance regulator to prevent "lockup." COMMYITEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


COMMENT ON AFFIRMATIVE: HOPKINS: Section should he 2-4.18.2.

(Log #CC2) 5OlC- 7- (2-4.6): Accept SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: N / A

I RECOMMENDATION: Delete the phrase "(See Appendix B)" from the end of the paragraph. SUBSTANTIATION: This paragraph 2-4.6 has no relation to Appendix B. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITrEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


(Log #CC3) 501C- 8 - (2-4.17): Accept SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-9 RECOMMENDATION: Change second sentence to read:

"All pipe shall be rigidly anchored to a structural member within 6 in. (152.4 ram) of the supply connect ion (s) by galvanized, painted, or equivalently p ro tec tedmeta l straps or hangers." SUBSTANTIATION: The ROP language substantially changes the meaning of the existing requirement which was not the intent. This change clarifies the needed requirement. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 14 NEGATIVE: 1 NOT RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker

EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: MACGREGOR: This requirement is design restrictive and would

preclude the use of any material other than metal regardless of its performance characteristics.

(Log #CC4) 501G- 9 - (2-4.18.1): Accept SUBMITTER: Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: N / A RECOMMENDATION: Change "1.49 kPa" to "20.7 kPa." SUBSTANTIATION: More accurate. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMrrTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: BARTZ: 6 in. mercury = 20.3 kPa

3psi = 20.7 kPa COMMENT ON AFFIRMATIVE:

PABIAN: 6 in. mercury can be calculated into kPa as follows:

6in. H g x .p.fi[. x kPa = 2 0 . 3 k P a i n s t e a d o f 2 0 . 7 k P a a s 2.036 Hg .145 psi proposed inthe ROC proposal.

(Log #9) 501C- 10 - (2-6.2.1, 2-6.2.4): Reject SUBMITFER: Orville Cummings, State of Florida, Division of Motor Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-16 RECOMMENDATION: Reinstate struck language in Sections 2- 6.2.1 and 2-6.2.4. SUBSTANTIATION: The exhaust duct system (roughed in) needs to be installed if the RV units are designed for future installation of a clothes dryer for the following reasons: (1) ff the exhaust duct terminated in the storage space of a motor home or in the basement cavity of other types of RV's this deposit of lint will create a fire hazard. (2) Improperly vented clothes dryers place eight (8) lb of condensat ion in the uni t per use (see repor t f rom University of Illinois). (3) Because the vent is required to terminate to the side of the RV unit (cannot terminate under the unit) is there a register grill or exterior cover that will no t permit the entrance of water or air.

NOTE: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters. COMMITrEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: There is no standard location for dryer vent locations. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: HARVEY: RV's designed for future dryers should be properly

ducted by the manufacturer to prevent future installation from creating a fire hazard from lint being ducted to interior or base- ments.

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(Log #8) 501C-11 - (2-6.7.2 (New)): Reject SUBMIT'rER: Orville Cummings , State of Florida, Division of Motor Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-13 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the p roposed language as 2-7.10 applied to "air Duct or Grills." Add the following-at the end o f Section 2-7.1:

"Excention: W h e n ceilin~ ducts are installed to accent roof ton air condi t ibnin~ svstems for air condi t ionin~ onlv or for s;cstems wiih heat strins ic'[efitifi ed as no t exceedina 1 ~'5°F When tesied in accordance with the UL484 the duct~hal l be const ructed of a material that has been tested or listed to withstand deteriorat, iorl f rom condensa t ion a n d / o r heat." SUBSTANTIATION: This p roposed language is no t acceptable as it permits ducts to be cons t ruc ted of material that deteriorates when exposed to condensat ion. This p rob lem is more prevalent when ducts are located in the ceiling cavity with very little or no insulat ion between the duc t a n d the metal roof when the insulat ion is compressed the R-Factor is reduced. COMMITrEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This proposal was created to address hea t t empera tu re of ducts. The commen t s substant iat ion is addressing condensa t ion which is a different issue and viewed as new material. Editorially move the Except ion to follow the 2-7 Title for clarification tha t all of 2-7 is exempt. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 14 NEGATIVE: 1 N O T RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker

EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: HARVEY: Duct systems des igned to carry hea t or air should be

des igned to carry ei ther and demons t r a t e to be equally resistant to fire or deteriorat ion.

(Log #21) 501C- 12- (Table 2-6.7.2): Accept SUBMITTER: Bruce /Z Hopkins, Recreat ion Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-12 RECOMMENDATION: Addit ions (under l ined) to Table 2-6.7.2 i tem 3 below. SUBSTANTIATION: Burners with the BTU inputs descr ibed in the above proposal are closer to the burners f ound in a househo ld range and therefore will allow the RV user to cook in a m a n n e r consis tent with how they cook in their homes. A three bu rne r range with inputs l imited to those descr ibed above will main ta in a total i npu t presently allowed by the 4 bu rne r range. T he 19 1 / 2 in. clearance will allow a manufac tu re r to install e i ther a three or four burner model according to the end user ' s choice without bui lding a special vertical clearance for each.

Ranges are presently certified to ei ther UL 1075 or ANSI Z21.57. Before a range as descr ibed above could be used in an RV unit , it mus t comply with the combus t ion and tempera tu re requ i rements of these standards. Two manufac tu re r s of RV ranges have three bu rne r units approved by UL with inpu t rates in excess of 6000 BTU. One manufac tu re r has suppl ied t empera tu re test data for a three bu rne r range with a f ront center bu rne r at 9000 BTU a n d two rear burners at 6500 BTU each. The results indicated tha t satisfactory operat ion is at tained when installed as descr ibed in Section 3 of Table 2-6.7.2 with a vertical clearance of 19 1 / 2 in.

We r e c o m m e n d that the commit tee adopt dfis proposal for incorporat ion in the nex t revision to A119.2.

COMMIqilTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 14 NEGATIVE: 1 N O T RETURNED: 2Jacobson , Tucker

EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: PABIAN: Both UL 1075 /UL 30713 test p rograms could suppor t

such a proposal. However, our records do no t indicate tha t we have such listings at this t ime to suppor t this specific proposal.

(Log #13) 501G- 13 - (2-6.7.3 (New)): Reject SUBMITTER: Shawn MacGregor, Terralab Engineers Int'l COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501G-15 RECOMMENDATION: Add new text as follows:

"The use of combustible material as range covers shall no t be allowed." SUBSTANTIATION: ff a range cover is utilized in conjunct ion with a listed cooking appliance, it would have been r e q u i r e d t o be tested with the appliance. The use of any range cover tha t was no t tested would void the listing. This is a genu ine hazard to propagate a fire. COMMITrEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITI'EE STATEMENT: Reconf i rm the commit tee ' s previous

sition that range covers are exemp t f rom this r equ i r emen t ER OF COMI~TTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17

VOTE ON COMMITI'EE ACTION: AFFIRMATIVE: 13 NEGATIVE: 2 N O T RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker

EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: HARVEW: ff combust ible range covers are exemp t f rom the

s tandard t hen section 2-6.7.2 should be el iminated f rom the s tandard a long with Table 2-6.7.2 because this section talks abou t the distant between combust ible materials.

MACGREGOR: The s tandard for RV Gas Cooking Ap,~liances ANSI Z21.57 Section 1.15 contains t e s tpa ramete r s f o r ' Cooking tops, surface cooking section covers a n d u t e n s i l supports ." Tbe requi rements are in t ended to prevent accidental closure, prevent d i sp lacement of burners , etc. T h e materials sections of ANSI Z21.57 and UL 858, for electric ranges, contain requi rements to prevent the use of materials which may lead to a risk of fire, electrical shock, and o ther heal th hazards such as smoke generat ion, etc. f f a range cover is used on a listed appliance tha t has no t been tested as an integral un i t or available option of tha t cooking appliance, the listing would be nullified. An appl iance mus t be used in accordance with its listing requ i rements de t e rmined by actual test, n o t a n arbitrary rul ing in direct conflict with the existing s tandard test methods . COMMENT ON AFFIRMATIVE:

PABIAN: Agree to reject proposal but on basis that any range cover, combust ible or noncombust ib le , may adversely affect the operat ion of an electric or gas range and may in t /oduce a fire, explosion or asphyxiation hazard. Therefore, range covers should no t be used unless they are evaluated as an integral par t of the Listed range or evaluated and sh ipped loose as a part of the Listed range.

Type of Protection Provided to Combustible Material or Metal

Cabinets above Range

3. Range hood 28 U.S. gauge, with mininmm 2-in. (51-mm) vertical sides and provided with a bead or flange around top of hood to provide a minimum 1/4-in. (6 - mm) dead air space between hood and protected material. Hood shallbe not [ess than the width of the range and shall be installed centered over range and cover the entire bottom of the material to be protected extending over the top of range.

Table 2-6.7.2 Item 3

Top Burner Rating

Not more than 4 top burners - input not to exceed 6000 Btuh (3_758 W) each, or not more than 3 tot) burners - 2 burners inout not to exceed 7()00 BTUH each and 1 burner int)ut not to exceed 10.000 BTUH.

Not more than 4 top burners - input not to exceed 9000 Btuh (2638 W) each.

2 rear burners - input not to exceed 9000 Btuh (2638 W) each a n d 2 front burners - input not to exceed 12000 Btuh (3517 W) each.

Oven Burner Rating

10,000 Btuh (2931 W)

24,000 Btuh (7034 V 0

22,000 Btuh (6448 W)

Vertical Clearance Required above Range Top

19-1/2 in. (495 mm)

20-3/4 in. (514 mm)

23-1/2 in. (597 mm)

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(Log #2) 501G- 14 - (2-6.8): Reject SUBMITrEI~ Will iamJ. Miller, Newmar Corporat ion COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-16 RECOMMENDATION: Preface 2-6.2.1 with the following: "ff dryers require an exhaus t air duct . . . " SUBSTANTIATION: There are cloths dryers available tha t do no t require an exhaus t air duct. T hey are a condensa te type. O n e of these is the Splendide. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reiect. COMMITTEE STATEMEN~¢: I f a listed dryer does not require a duct, this r equ i r emen t would no t apply. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: PABIAN: Some RV furnace designers have a p l e n u m while others

do not. The air hand l ing port ion o f a RV furnace without a p l en u m can be subjected to the same air t ightness supply duct test as a furnace with a p lenum.

Paragraph 2-7.3 can be revised as to include RV furnaces without a p l e n u m as follows:

"Supply Duct System Test. A supply duc t system shall be considered substantially air t ight when the static pressure in the duc t system, with a register sealed and with the furnace circulation at h igh speed, is at least 80 percen t of the static pressure measu red in the duct p l e n u m or air handl in~ Portion of the furnace, with..."

The furnace manufacturer ' s ' ins ta l la t ion instructions typically do no t convey the duct air t ightness r equ i r emen t or how the test for air t ightness is to be conducted. To rely on the appliance manufac tu re r ' s instructions would be inappropriate .

(Log #16) 501C- 15 - (2-7 Exception): Accept SUBMITTER: Bruce A. Hopkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-18 RECOMMENDATION: Add to the exception as revised by the commit tee the following unde r l ined language:

"Exception: This section does no t apply to duc ted roof top air condi t ioning systems with hea t strips or hea t DumPs where the system does no t exceed 175°F when tested in accordance with Ul 484." SUBSTANTIATION: There are now available on the marke t A / C systems for RVs tha t include hea t pumps . COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITrEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: HARVEY: Refer to Explanat ion of Negative on C o m m e n t 501C-11

(Log #8). PABIAN: Normally, when RV hea t p u m p s are tested in accordance

with UL s tandard 484 in the elevated t empera tu re mode the sleeve tempera tures that the field installed duct ing would "see" are not typically recorded du r ing UL testing. If these tempera tures were recorded there seems to be no mechan i sms for the installer or the inspect ion author i ty to de te rmine if the tempera tures exceed 125°F.

There are o ther factors in addit ion to the ho t t empera tu re testing, such as cold tempera ture , posi t ive/negative pressure, mold growth and humidity, tha t should be considered when duct ing is installed with RV hea t pumps .

W h e n evaluating the use of duc t ing a t tached to RV hea t pumps , Air Duc t s /Connec to r s Listed per UL s tandard 181 would mee t this in tended used. Therefore , field installed duct ing a t tached to the RV hea t p u m p s shou ld not be exempted f rom the requi rements of Section 2-7 of NFPA 501C.

(Log #26) 501C- 16 - (2-7.3): Accept SUBMITYER: J o h n M. Scime, Atwood Mobile Products COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-19 RECOMMENDATION: Delete cur ren t 2-7.3 in its entirety and add new;.

2-7.3 Static Pressure. The internal static pressure of the furnace air delivery system shall comply with the furnace manufac tu re r s instructions. SUBSTANTIATION: The cur ren t requi rements of 2-7.3 appear to be applicable to residential furnaces, which typically have plenums. Furnaces des igned specifically for installation in a recreational vehicle do no t have p lenums, render ing the cur rent test meaning- less. The revised wording o f 2-7.3 will allow the recreational vehicle manufac tu re r to provide a warm air distr ibution system that insures proper operat ion of the furnace. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 14 NEGATIVE: 1 N O T RETURNED: 2Jacobson , Tucker

(Log #7) 501C- 17- (2-7.10): Reject SUBMITTER: Orville Cummings , State of Florida, Division of Motor Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-17 RECOMMENDATION: Delete Sec. 501G-17 (Log #11). SUBSTANTIATION: This proposed language is no t acceptable as it permits ducts to be cons t ruc t edo f material that deteriorates when exposed to condensat ion. This p rob lem is more prevalent when ducts are located in the ceiling cavity with very little or no insulation between the duc t and the metal roof when the insulat ion is compressed the R-Factor is reduced. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: This proposal was created to address hea t t empera tu re of ducts. The c o m m e n t ' s substant iat ion is addressing condensat ion. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:



(Log #8).

(Log #12) 501C- 18 - (2-7.10): Reject SUBMITTER: Orville Cummings , State of Florida, Division of Motor Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-18 RECOMMENDATION: Wrong Code Reference "See 501Cd3 (Log #11)." SUBSTANTIATION: This proposed language is no t acceptable as it permits ducts to be constructed of material that deteriorates when exposed to condensat ion. This p rob lem is more prevalent when ducts are located in the ceiling cavity with very little or no insulation between the duc t and the metal roof when the insulat ion is compressed the R-Factor is reduced. C O M M I T r E E ACTION: Reject. COMMITrEE STATEMENT: This proposal was created to address hea t t empera ture ofducts . The c o m m e n t ' s substant iat ion is address ing condensat ion. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 13 NEGATIVE: 1 ABSTENTION: 1 NOT RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker


(Log #8). EXPLANATION OF ABSTENTION:

MACGREGOR: There are o ther concerns than hea t addressed in file UL 484 test protocol. How the RV industry wishes to address those concerns is unknown to me. The impression I get is that the manufac ture rs feel tha t it is a non safety issue and wish it to be a warranty concern o f the OEM. I would like to see m o r e data to confirm that it is no t a heal th risk; i.e., bacterial growth, material toxicity, etc.

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(Log #1) 501C- 19 - (3-4.7): Accept in Principle SUBMITrER: Patrick Lewis, State of Oregon Building Codes Division COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501G-37 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text as follows:

3-4.7 Special Transportat ion Provisions. All recreational vehicles providing any entrance door greater than 36 inches in width, an access ramp or that are p romoted or provides the ability, for transporting or ~kQiilag Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles shall provide the following:

(a) A minimum of one opening or window on each side of the vehicle having a min imum of 200 square inches of free openahle area. The top of the opening or window shall no t be more than 18 inches above the vehicles interior floor level.

(b) Seamless floor coverings nonabsorbent to fuel extending along the entire floorline of the transportat ion area and sealed to the wall with sealant which is resistant to intermit tent contact (splashing) with fuel.

(c) Electrical equ ipment and lighting installed in accordance with sections 511-6(d) and 511-7(b) o f the National Electrical Code.

(d) An alarmed hydrocarbon detector listed for RV use and installed in accordance with the terms of its listing and the manufacturer 's installation instructions.

(e) A listed portable fire extinguisher with a min imum rating of 1OB:C as defined in NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguish- ers.

(f) LP gas ranges and ovens, if prnvided, shall not contain pilot lights or shall be equipped with a pilot light shut off.

(g) A pe rmanen t warning label placed inside of the RV adjacent to each entry and located to be visible to anyone entering the RV (*See below). This label(s) shall be pr inted with red letters on a white background with the word "WARNING" a min imum of three quarters (3/4) in. high and text that shall be a minimum of one quarter (1/4) in. high and shall read:

*WARNING Any motorized vehicle or any motorized ecjuipment powered

with flammable liquid can cause fire or explosmn or asphyxiation if stored or t ransported within the recreational vehicle. To reduce the risk of fire, explosion or asphyxiation:

1. Do no t allow passengers t O ride inside the RV while Internal Combustion Engines are inside the vehicle.

2. Drain all fuel f rom gas tanks and carburetors prior to loading such motorized vehicles or equipment .

3. Do no t store or t ransport supplementary motor fuel within this vehicle.

4. Ventilate the interior o f the vehicle to reduce the risk of fire, explosion or asphyxiation.

5. Do not operate gas appliances, pilot lights, or electrical equipment when motorized vehicles or motorized equipment are inside vehicle.

(b) When internal combustion vehicles mav be s tored or transpor ted while the livinu accommodations can be used simultaneously. ~t vanorti~ht seoaratio-n wall between the living and t ransoor t / stora.~e a~eas s[aall be installed.

(i) ~, s tatement in the owner 's manual warning of the hazards of transporting, storing or cohabiting with internal combustion engines inside the vehicle.

) A label affixed to the interior of the vehicle and a s ta tement in e owner's manual explaining the proper weight distribution for

the transportation of internal combustion engine vehicles. Exception: Recreational vehicles having vapor tight separation

between the special transportation area and the living space are exempt from the requi rement of 3-4.7(d) ~ . SUBSTANTIATION: While the proposal accepted by the Commit- tee provides a basis to regulate recreational vehicles that provide transportation areas for Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles (ICEV), it fails to address those recreational vehicles which allow the living facilities to be used without removing the IGEV. As a result, the consumer is able to co-habitat with ICEV's being

t ransported or s tored increasing the danger for fire, explosion, or asphyxiation from gas vapors leaked into the recreational vehicle as a result of storage or transport.

For the code to continue to condone this use without the requirement for a vaportight separation wall and hydrocarbon alarmed detector is nei ther responsible or in the best interest o f public safety. COMMITI'EE ACTION: Accept in Principle. COMMITFEE STATEMENT: See Comment 501G-23 (Lol~ #CC5). NUMBER OF COMMrITEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 12 NEGATIVE: 2 ABSTENTION: 1 NOT RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker

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EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: BARTZ: It is my understanding this wording is the final versionl CUMMINGS: I am voting against 501C-19 (Log #1), because the

words "simultaneously" and "living area" are no t defined. Subsection (b) is unclear and will be difficult to enforce this

restriction. EXPLANATION OF ABSTENTION:

WOZNIAK: Abstain due to no Committee Statement.

(Log #4) 501C- 20 - (3-4.7): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: Robert E. Wozniak, Fleetwood Enterprises Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-37 RECOMMENDATION: Revise t h e first sentence to read:

"3-4.7 Special Transportation Provisions. ~ Recreational vehicles providing any entrance door greater than ~ 40 in. in width, - a and an access ramp for that door or that are p romoted for transporting Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles shall provide the following:"

In addition number the existing Exception as No. 1 and add the following:

Exception No..2". Handicap. tmi~ access, recreational vehicles are exempt f rom ~ these errttre reqmrements . SUBSTANTIATION: Revising the first sentence clarifies that an RV must have both a door "and" ramp to fall subject to this requirement. Revisingthe width to 40 in. allows current driver door technology r o b e maintained. Adding Exception No. 2 will clarify that units in tended and designed for Handicap use will not be subject to these requirements. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept in Principle.

Revise the first sentence to read: "3-4.7 Special Transportation provisions. All Recreational vehicles

providing any entrance door greater than 36 in. in width, and an access ramp for that door or that are promoted and provides the ability for transport ing or storing internal combustion engine vehicles shall provide the following:" In addit ion number the existing Exception as No. 1 and add the

following: Exception No. 2: Recreational vehicles designed and promoted for

the physically impaired are not required to comply with the requirements of ~-4.7. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: The change maintains the restriction of a s tandard door and requires a ramp for that door to prevent confusion regarding a motor h o m e driver's door or double wide rear doors o favan . The change to Exception No. 2 clarifies the intent. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: BARTZ: Refer to Explanation of Negative on Comment 501C-19

(Log #1).

(Log #11) 501G-21 - (3-4.7): Reject SUBMIq[TER: Orville Cummings, State of Florida, Division of Motor Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501G-37 RECOMMENDATION: Revise to changes made by "Accredited Standards GommitteeA119" March 20/21, 1995 in Elkhart, IN. SUBSTANTIATION: None. COMMITTEE ACTION: Reject. COMMYITEE STATEMENT: The committee did not unders tand the submitter 's input. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: BARTZ: Refer to Explanation of Negative on Comment 501C-19

(Log #1).

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(Log #15) 501(i- 22 - (3-4.7): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER= Bruce A. Hopkins, Recreat ion Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-B7 RECOMMENDATION: 1. Replace the existing language of section (a) with the following:

(a) A m i n i m u m of two roof openings and four floor openings shall be provided. Roof openings shall be at least 10 sq in . with no d imens ion exceeding 12 in. Roof open ings shall be within 12 in. of the f ront and rear wall and at least 12 in. f rom ei ther sidewall. Floor openings shall have a m i n i m u m 2 sq in. each, made f rom materials that are resistant and nonabso rben t to fuel and shall be located at each potential low poin t and shall be sealed to prevent the entrance of rodents. All openings shall be permi t ted to be ducted and roof openings shall be permi t ted to contain water rain traps. Add to the end of (c) the following sentence: "All RV interior 12 volt and 120 volt electrical circuits located in the

special t ransportat ion area mus t be wired to be d isconnected dur ing transit or storage of any motor ized vehicle or any motorized e q u i p m e n t powered with f lammable liquid."

2. Revise the first sen tence to read: "3-4.7 Special Transpor ta t ion Provisions. All recreation vehicles

providing any ent rance door greater than 36 in. in width, and an access ramp, or tha t are p romoted for t ranspor t ing Internal Combus t ion Engine Vehicles shall provide the following:"

In addi t ion n u m b e r the existing Exception as No. 1 and add the following: • "Exception No. 2: Handicap units are exemp t f rom this entire requi rement ." SUBSTANTIATION: 1. Gasoline is a h o m o g e n e o u s mixture whose e lements vary in concentra t ion with octane, additives, and propri- etary c o m p o u n d s in t roduced byvar ious refineries. The re are no s tandards set o ther than the need to comply with the EPA and the requ i rements of available engines. It mus t also be realized that gasoline is no t the only fuel which may be used in ATVs, or s tored in an ATV transpor t chassis.

Propane is only 1 1 / 2 t imes the weight of air, compared to Pentane in gasoline which is 2 1 /2 t imes the weight of air. T he Lower Flammable Level (LFL) of Pen tane is 14,000 ppm, whereas Propane is 21,000 ppm. It is most impor tan t to unde r s t and tha t Propane will no t combus t in its pure state at 1 1 /2 t imes the weight of air because it is too rich. It mus t be mixed down to 2.1 percent in air before it will burn. At 2.1 percent in air it is only .01 t imes the weight of air and tha t is simply no t heavy e n o u g h to "fall" to t h e g r o u n d . In fact, it floats in an enclosed env i ronmen t without any induced air turbulence. Most of the chemicals in gasoline wilt per form very similarly when evaporated. W h e n ignited, the vapors transfer the ignition to the liquid fuel which causes accelerated evaporation th rough the resul tant hea t of the burning . This is observed in the basic demons t ra t ion where the spilled fuel vapors are ignited on the down side of a t rough and seen to travel up to the fuel source. This demons t r a t ed the characteristic of the heavier vapors, which do no t combust , they only burn . If they could channel the lighter vapors upward, (not practical) the f lame would be traveling downwards to the fuel source.

Pentane, Hexane, and T h i o p h e n e are the l ightest chemicals f o u n d in gasolines and are the first to evaporate. Each is heavier than air in their pure state a nd if evaporated in a totally tu rhu len t free envi ronment , a percentage of their vapors will float downward. However, by the very process of evaporation, many of their vapors will rise. The most combust ible is Hexane, with an LFL of only 1.2 percent (12,000 ppm) in air. This can provide the catalyst for ignition. Vapors f rom a high-octane fuel could become quite hazardous if vaporizing at a h igh rate in elevated temperature .

Consider the leaking of fuel in its liquid state; openings mus t be provided in the flooring. Such openings may be ducted and located in each corner of the f looring that they may provide an exit regardless of the angle of the chassis. It is r e c o m m e n d e d that each open ing be a m i n i m u m of 2 sq in. with a mi tered ent rance and a 4- in-. duct-at a r ight angle exhaus t ing to the rear of the chassis. This would create a vacuum which, in theory, would serve to draw out any heavyvapors when the chassis was in motion. This does not take into considerat ion any air tu rbulence or pressures which may he genera ted by the towing vehicle or the ATV chassis at speeds in excess of 30 mph . However, it is generally considered that there is a fair a m o u n t o f vacuum setup at the rear of any flat-backed vehicle. This is easily measu red us ing a pressure t ransducer in the area considered for porting. W h e n consider ing the high rate of evaporation inhe ren t in fuels,

there exist vapors which are both heavier and l ighter than air. In theory, the heavier vapors will go down and be carried out by the floor porting. The l ighter vapors will go upwards where they shou ld be vented. In reality, any enclosure with even very light air turbulence will homogen ize the vapors evenly t h roughou t the enclosure.

It is suggested that one roof duc t of 10 sq in. at the tow end be por ted forward, and a second roof duct, also of 10 sq in., at the tail end por ted aft. This will generate more than adequate air flow to purge the chassis of any hazardous vapors while in mo t ion and allow adequate ventilation to minimize vapor bui ldup when stationary. Air duc t shou ld be kept u n d e r 12 in. in length, which should be more than adequate to de fend against weather infiltration. It is recom- m e n d e d that a water (rain) trap be placed on the roof ducts.

1. Revising the first sentence clarifies tha t an RV m u s t have both a door "and" r amp to fall subject to this requi rement . Adding Exception No. 2 will clarify that units in t ended and des igned for Handicap use will no t be subject to these requirements . C O M M I T r E E A C T I O N : Accept in Principle. COMMITI 'EE STATEMENT: Reject i tem 1 because the vent ing requ i rements as proposed in (a) conflict with existing paragraph 3- 4.4. Unde r i tem 2, see Commit tee Action on C o m m e n t 501G-20 (Log #4 ). NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE T O VOTE: 17 VOTE O N COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: BARTZ: Refer to Explanat ion of Negative on C o m m e n t 501G-19

(Log #1 ).

(Log #CC5) 501C- 23 - (3-4.7):

NOTE: Since the ballot on this comment did not confirm the Committee Action, the comment is being rejected. SUBMITTER: Technical Commi t tee on Recreational Vehicles COMMENT O N PROPOSAL NO: 501C-37 RECOMMENDATION: Revise text as follows:

B4.7 Special Transpor ta t ion Provisions. Recreational vehicles providing any ent rance door greater than 36 inches in width, an d an access r amp for tha t door, or tha t are p romo ted and provides the ability for t ranspor t ing or storing internal combus t ion engine vehicles shall provide the followinff

(a) A m i n i m u m of one open ing or window on each side of the vehicle having a m i n i m u m of 200 square inches of free openable area. The top of the open ing or window shall no t be more than 18 inches above the vehicles interior floor level.

(b) Seamless f o o r coverings nonabso rben t to fuel ex tending along the entire floorline of the t ransportat ion area and sealed to the wall with sealant which is resistant to in termi t tent contact (splashing) with fuel.

(c) Electrical e q u i p m e n t and l ighting installed in accordance with sections 511-6(d) and 511-7(b) o f the National Electrical Code.

(d) A listed portable fire ext inguisher with a m i n i m u m rating of 10B:C as def ined in NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguish- e r s .

(e) LP gas ranges and ovens, if provided, shall no t contain pilot lights or shall be equ ipped with a pilot light shu t off.

(f) A pe rmanen t warn inglabe l placed inside of the RV adjacent to each entry and located t o b e visible to anyone enter ing the RV (*See below). This label(s) shall be pr in ted with red letters on a white background with the work "WARNING" a m i n i m u m of three quarters (3 /4) in. h igh and text that shall be a m i n i m u m of one quar ter (1/4) in. h igh and shall read:

*WARNING Any motorized vehicle or any motor ized e q u i p m e n t powered with

f lammable liquid can cause fire 6r explosion or asphyxiation if s tored or t ranspor ted within the recreational vehicle. To reduce the risk of fire, explosion or asphyxiation:

1. Do not allow passengers to ride inside the internal combust ion engine vehicle storage area while vehicles are present.

2. Run fuel out of engine after shut t ing off fuel at the tank. 3. Do not store or t ranspor t supp lementa ry motor fuel within this

vehicle. 4. Ventilate the interior of the vehicle to reduce the risk of fire,

explosion or asphyxiation. 5. Do not operate gas appliances, pilot lights, or electrical

equ ipmen t when motor ized vehicles or motor ized eq u ip m en t are inside vehicle.

(g) W h e n internal combust ion engine vehicles can be s tored or t ranspor ted while the living accommoda t ions can be used simultaneously, a vaport ight separat ion wall between the living an d t ranspor t / s torage areas shall be installed.

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(h) A statement in the owner's manual warning of the hazards of transporting, storing or cohabiting with internal combustion engines inside the vehicle. • (i) The label affuced to the interior o f the vehicle shall be duplicated into the owner 's manual and shall include a s ta tement explaining the proper weight distribution for the transportation of internal combustion engine vehicles.

Exception: No. 1: Recreational vehicles having vapor tight separation between the special transportation area and the living space are exempt fi'om the requirements of 3-4.7.

Exception: No. 2: Recreation vehicles des igned and p romoted for the physically impaired are not required to comply with the requirements of 3-4.7.

Exception: No. 3: Portions of eecreational vehicles designed to transport animals are not required to comply with the requirement of 3-4.7. SUBSTANTIATION: The committee agrees with the substantiation of Log #1. However, because of the number of changes suggested for 3.4.7, the committee developed this comment to include all changes into a single comment for clarification. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: J. BLOOM: Because avapor tight separation should be pe rmanen t

to avoid asphyxiation f rom exhaust and no t allow flammable vapors in living areas.

CUMMINGS: I am voting against 501 C-23 (Log #CC5), because the words "simultaneously" and "living area" are not defined. Subsection (g) is unclear and will be difficult to enforce without a

broader expectation of the in tent for this restriction. FITZGERALD: The language used is meander ing and many times

does no t provide clear definition. Language llke "that are p romoted and provides the ability" is vague and inconclusive. Language like '~¢aportight separation wall" needs to be fur ther def ined so manufacturers will unders tand what type of construction is necessary to achieve compliance with the standard.

GORIN: We cast a negative vote on this issue because we believe that mandat ing ~ vapor barrier in dual usage units is too restrictive on the manufacturer and that insistence on a vapor barrier provides for an unreasonable level o f protect ion no t warranted b a s e d o n actual experience.

Further, we believe that these unnecessary mandates will have a negative impact on the ability of consumers to enjoy a variety of recreational pursuits. The broad use of the type of units being regulated over many years indicates that it is highly safe in its present form.

HOPKINS: I am voting against Comment 501G-23 (Log #CC5) because the words "simultaneously" and "living area" used within the text are not defined. As a result, the requirement , in my opinion, becomes unenforceable because additional criteria is needed for these terms to have meaning to the manufacturing community and enforcement otticials. Also, with the controversy already surround- ing this topic, defining the referenced terms outside the committee process could cause impacted manufacturers to claim restraint of trade.

The base argument of developing safety requirements that would apply to the manufacturer without regard to what the consumer chooses to place inside the RV was debated and resolved by the committee when they developed Proposal 501C-37 (reference F95- ROP). Approving Comment 501C.23 (Log #CC5) could lead to inconsis-

tent enforcement because the in tent of the proposed text is unclear. Defeating this Com m en t would result in the language of Proposal 501C-37 (reference F95-ROP) was modif ied by Comments 501G-24 (Log#3), 501G-20 (Log #4), 501G-25 (Log #5), 501C-26 (Log #6), and 501C-27 (Log #14) assuming these comments achieve letter ballot approval by the committee.

LUTTICH: I am casting a llgga.ti~ vote on Comment 501C-23 (Log #CC5) because paragraph (g) in effect disregards a type of recreational vehicle desired by the general public that without minimum fire and life safety precautions could be dangerous to the occupant of the recreational vehicle. The current language of 5-4.7 also disregards this very same type of recreational vehicle.

I am of the unders tanding that this committee shall f ind avenues to provide a reasonable level of protection of loss of life from fire and explosion when developing these standards. Paragraph (g) fails to f ind such an avenue. Approval o f Comments 501C-24 (Log #3), 501C-20 (Log #4), 501G-25 (Log #5), 501C-26 (Log #6), and 501C-27 (Log #14) would add the necessary language to the standard bringing about a level of public protection.

MACGREGOR: The ventilation requirements are of grave concern to TEI and constitute a genuine health hazard, they should not be de termined arbitrarily. The whole issue of ICEV storage and transportation within an RV merits fur ther study prior to codifica- tion.

STAVES: I feel there should be material in 501C concerning the subject m a t t e r , of this proposal. . However, I also feel the proposal written by a subcommittee of the full committee has too many ambiguities in it and is unenforceable the way it is written. At the present time, there is not an urgent health and life safety problems created by these units, therefore, I feel this entire subject matter needs more research and should be held for fur ther study. As the proposal is written, it requires all units that are designed for

transport ing or storing internal combustion engine vehicles to have a vapor tight separation wall between the living and transport area. I have reached this conclusion because of the language of subsection G, where it is very nebulous and states that when a vehicle can be stored while living accommodations can be done simultaneously, it is virtually impossible to design anything that part of the accommodations couldn ' t be used while some type of a combustion engine vehicle could be stored in the unit. I believe a unit can be designed to be operated safely without a vapor tight separation. If we insist on the vapor tight separation, people will f ind ways a round the in tent and develop units that are no t nearly as safe as we desire. For example, exception number three allows recreational vehicles designed to t ransport animals not to comply with requirements 3- 4.7. Does that mean we can include in the design a kennel area for a do~ and exempt the unit, while there may be motorcycles in the untt?

I also have a problem with the statement "that are p romoted and provides the ability for transport ing or storing internal combustion engine vehicles." Every recreational vehicle has the ability to transport one of the small scooter boards that are driven by an internal combustion engine. Therefore, all RVs meet this requirements. How do you define promoted and how will the enforcement a~senCy determine whether a uni t is promoted?

it p romoted by the manufacturer, p romoted by the retailer, or p romoted by some consumer magazine? What happens when a company that manufacturers a scooter powered by an internal combustion engine promotes a recreational vehicle as a place that their scooter can beused? Does this automatically make the recreational vehicle fall under 3-4.7?

These are some of the arnbiguides I see in the present language that need to be cleared up before this becomes part of 501C. WOZNIAI~ I believe the proposal is no t written as code language.

I do no t believe non-definitive phrases of: "or that are promoted and provides the ability for" in the first sentence of 3-4.7 are code language. COMMENT ON AFFIRMATIVE:

BARTZ: It is my unders tanding this wording is the final versionl PABIAN: Suggest in the first sentence of 3-4.7 the words ". . . that

are p romoted and provides the ability for t ransport ing or storing.. ." be revised to "that are designed for the transport and storage of..." which is more in line with standards and code language.

(Log #3) 501C- 24 - (3-4.7 Exception No. 2 (New)): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: Orville Cummings, State of Fion'da, Division of Motor Vehicles COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-37 RECOMMENDATION: 1. Make Exception "No. 1."

2. Add new Exception No. 2 as follows: Excention No. 2: Storage areas desimaed to transoort animals are

not rehuired to comolv ~ t h this restriction of ope/~ing or window Iocati0h. as reuuired'ifi (a). SUBSTANTIATION: Windows located in this restricted location could be hazardous in transporting animals. COMMITI'EE ACTION: Accept in Principle.

Revise to read: Exception No. 2: Portions of Recreational Vehicles designed to

transport animals are no t required to comply with section 3-4.7. COMMITTEE STATEMENT: Meets the intent of the submitter and clarifies that o ther non-applicable requirements do not apply. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


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(Log #5) 501C- 25 - (3-4.7 Warn ing No. 1 ): Accept SUBMITrER: Rober t M. Burdick, Burdick Enterprises COMMENT O N PROPOSAL NO: 501C-37 RECOMMENDATION: Change W arn i ng No. 1 to read:

"DO N O T ALLOW PASSENGERS T O RIDE INSIDE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLE STORAGE AREA WHILE VEHICLES ARE PRESENT." SUBSTANTIATION: ff the RV is a motor home , no t a trailer, it could no t be used or operated. I have seen such an area in a motor home. ff it is the commit tee ' s in tent to exclude motor homes , (which is a good idea) f rom having these areas we should so state. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. COMMITrEE STATEMENT: T he in ten t of the submit ter was accepted, bu t concern was expressed about the language of the substantiation. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE T O VOTE: 17 VOTE O N COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 15 N O T RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker

(Log #6) 501G-26- (3-4.7 Warn ing No. 2): Accept SUBMITTER: Robert M. Burdick, Burdick Enterprises COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501G-37 RECOMMENDATION: Remove wording of Warn ing No. 2 f rom requi rements a n d add:

"RUN FUEL O U T OF ENGINE AFTER SHUTTING OFF FUEL AT THE TANK." SUBSTANTIATION: We should never r e c o m m e n d hand l ing of raw fuell This r equ i r emen t is unsafe and also unrealistic. Never r e c o m m e n d removing fuel f rom a gas tank, etc. We address having fuel in this a rea by requir ing (1) ventilation, (2) seamless floor, (3) fuel detector and (4) special electrical requi rements , etc., so fuel remain ing in a tank should be OK. Shut t ing o f f the fuel and r u n n i n g the fuel ou t of the engine would be all that is required. COMMITFEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF C O M M I T r E E MEMBERS ELIGIBLE T O VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 15 N O T RETURNED: 2Jacobson, Tucker

(Log #14) 501C- 27 - (3-4.7(d)): Accept in Principle SUBMITTER: .John Nelson, Alfa Leisure Inc. COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501G-37 RECOMMENDATION: Delete the language in Section (d) "listed for RV use and" (d) would read:

"An a la rmed hydrocarbon detector installed in accordance to the terms of its listing and the manufac tu re r ' s installation instructions." SUBST.VCrIATION: The up-front cost to list the hydrocarbon detector for RV use canno t be suppor t ed or absorbed by the dual- usage RV market. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept in Principle.

Delete all of i tem (d). COMMITrEE STATEMF2qT: Hydrocarbon detector is too general and listing would be difficult to develop at the present time. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE T O VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE: PABIAN: Initially, the technical commit tee agreed to providing a

RV gas detector provision in addi t ion to the ventilation, seamless floor and special electrical requ i rements for those RVs where CEV's are des igned to be s tored or t ransported. This provision was inadvertently omit ted f rom the proposal in Log #CC5.

The p r o p o n e n t of this change reques ted the gas detectors Listed specifically for RV use be removed because the Listing of such a device would be difficult to develop. There are several companies who are presently eligible to p roduce Listed gas detectors for RV use and these devices are common l y available to RV producers .

It is r e c o m m e n d e d that 3-4.7(d) be revised as follows: "A Listed recreational vehicle gas detector, with an integral audible signal, installed in accordance with the terms of its Listing and the manufac tu re r ' s installation instructions."

(Log #20) 501C- 28 - (Figure A-3-2.1 (New)): Accept SUBMITTER: Bruce A. Hopkins, Recreation Vehicle Industry Association COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501C-28 RECOMMENDATION: See artwork below, add to Append ix A as Figure A-3-2.1:

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SUBSTANTIATION: The r e c o m m e n d a t i o n as accepted has a reference at the end of the sen tence (see Appendix A, Figure 3-2.1) and therefore the artwork should be inserted into the Appendix. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE T O VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


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( Log #1 ) 501D- 1 - (3-1.2): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas R. Arnold, Accredited Standards Commit tee A l l 9 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMENDATION: Revise the paragraph as follows:

3-1.2 Detect ion Systems in ~ ~ Open to the Public. Fire detect ion and a larm systems installed in

open to the public shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 72, Standard for the Installation, Maintenance , an d Use of Protective Signaling Systems. See also NFPA 71, Standard on the Installation, Maintenance, and Use of Signaling Systems for Central Station Service, for o ther suitable types of fire protective signaling systems. SUBSTANTIATION: The term "structures" is a more encompass ing te rm and would therefore include all types of buildings tha t are

~ located within an RV park or campground . T r E E ACTION: Accept.

NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE T O VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 13 N O T RETURNED: 4 Bloom, Jacobson, Tucker, Yee

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(Log #2) 501D- 2 - (3-1.3): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas R. Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee A l l 9 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 50113-1 RECOMMENDATION: Revise the paragraph as follows:

3-1.3 Fire Extinguishers. Portable fire extinguishers provided by the recreational vehicle park or cam t ~ r o u n d operator shall be of the multipurpose dry chemical type or equal. Such extinguishers shall have a min imum rating of 2A:20B:C and shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers. SUBSTANTIATION: This revised language reflects the title of the Standard. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 13 NOT RETURNED: 4 BIoom,Jacobson, Tucker, Yee

(Log #6) 501D- 6 - (3-2.2): Accept SUBMITT£R: Thomas IL Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee A l l 9 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMENDATION: Delete this ~ara~graph:

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URSWUBS--~ANTIATION: The requirements oudined in this paragraph are operational concerns and are totally under the control o f the park management . In addition, these requirements are impossible to measure and define. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 13 NOT RETURNED: 4 BIoom,Jacobson, Tucker, Yee

(Log #3) 501D- 3 - (3-1.6): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas R. Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee A l l 9 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMENDATION: Revise as follows:

3-1.6 Campfire Locations. Designated outdoor campfire locations, if provided, shall be in safe and convenient areas where they will not constitute fire hazards to vegetation, undergrowth, trees, recreation vehicles, recreational park trailers, camping units and

SUBSTANTIATION: Adding the terms recreational park trailer, camping units and structures defines more clearly what should be kept a safe distance away f rom campfire locations, and would be consistent with the terminology developed by the A119 committee in referencing products that are used in RV Parks and Campgrounds. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMrFrEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 13 NOT RETURNED: 4 Bloom,Jacobson, Tucker, Yee

(Log #7) 501D-7- (3-2.3): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas R. Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee A l l 0 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMF~DATION: Revise the paragraph to read:

3-2.3 Refuse. ,~.zr~ ~.,d . . . . d . . . . . d ~ , , v i , , ~ ~,.~, ~ ,d~e ' , id~o ~:,o.II ~ k~..C ~', c`- ~, G,.; , ,c , .u , , ,a la;~, G? ,,A'~o,.. A refuse disposal system s h @ be prov ided . ~u.. .A.,g.~:,£~oc, ;;: .`-. t,,,;a;:;,z`-d, s:;~ll

S ~ T k 2 ~ T I ~ 6 ~ . '" ~ '~e fi~st" ~ a ~ t h i r d sentences of this paragraph are spelling out "operational" concerns and therefore should not be included in the standard. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION: ~

AFFIRMATIVE: 13 NOT RETURNED: 4 Bloom, Jacobson, Tucker, Yee

(Log #4)* 501D- 4 - (3-2.1): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas 1L Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee A l l 9 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMENDATION: Revise as follows:

3-2.1 I . z .~ . I '~G~, P o ~ n ~ of Emer~encv Information. Fire safety rt,les and regulations shall ~e conspic'uously posted by pm,k management . These regulations shall contain the following information or information as required by the fire depar tment . SUBSTANTIATION: Editorial: T h e tide of "Introduction" is too

neral, and the term "park" is not necessary. MMITrEE ACTION: Accept.

NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMrI'rEE ACTION:


(Log #8) 501D- 8 - (3-2.4): Accept SUBMITrER: Thomas 1L Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee A l l 9 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMENDATION: Delete this paragraphi

, ~%~ %"w~ y- "2 ~ ~7 . . . . . . . . .. ~,, ,Vv ~ . , ~ ~ , , ~ . . . . . . o?~;, V~.

SUBSTANTIATION: This entire paragraph is identifying "opera- tionai" concerns and should not be included in the Standard. COMMITTEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


(Log#5) 501D- 5 - (3-2.1 (c)): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas R. Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee A l l 9 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMENDATION: Revise the paragraph as follows:

(c) The te lephone number of the recreational vehicle park or campground (or any other data that would aid in assuring p rompt fire d~partment response, such as the recreational vehicle park o r campground nam~ and address); and SUB'$~rANTIATION: This revised language reflects the title of the Standard within the text as directed by the ANSI A119 committee. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMI~TTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:

AFFIRMATIVE: 13 NOT RETURNED: 4 Bloom, Jacobson, Tucker, Yee

(Log #9) 501D- 9 - (3-2.5): Accept SUBMITTER: Thomas R. Arnold, Accredited Standards Committee Al19 COMMENT ON PROPOSAL NO: 501D-1 RECOMMENDATION: Delete this paragraph:

3-2.5 ~: l lag LP C.,o .%,,u,L,c,~. Fil:~ag ,,~L2 C,,,o ̀ -,,,,;~,,c,o s[,,,ll

Cot.,Llio~,~d b z ;I . . . . ~,~.:z z l,.,;,,sj~.~od;~;1 . . . . S ~ A N T I A T I O N : This entire paragraph is identifying "operational" concerns and should not be included in the Standard. COMMITrEE ACTION: Accept. NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 17 VOTE ON COMMITTEE ACTION:


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