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Is There A God?

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How Old is the Earth?

4.5 to 5 Billion Years Old

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“among the things that science does know, evolution is about as

certain as anything we know” – Richard Dawkins

(Now with Bill Moyers, Dec. 3, 2004)

“evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.” –

Richard Dawkins (ibid)

“not a scientific argument at all, but a

religious one.” – Richard Dawkins

(One Side Can Be Wrong – The Guardian, Sept. 1, 2005)

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“Never cite a religious science source such as ICR, Answers in Genesis, or anything else like that … if the thesis

of your paper is anti-evolutionary (akin to arguing against the germ theory of disease or against the atomic theory of matter) you will

receive a failing grade.” (“Bias in higher education” – Answersingenesis.org, March 2003)

“[Someone who denies evolution] has committed malpractice regarding the

method of science … how can someone who denies the theory of evolution – the

very pinnacle of modern biological science – ask to be recommended into a

scientific profession by a professional scientist?”

(Michael L. Dini, associate professor of biology at Texas Tech University, ibid.)

“The central, unifying principle of biology is the theory of evolution. …

How can someone who does not accept the most important theory in

biology expect to properly practice in a field that is so heavily based on

biology?” (Michael L. Dini, associate professor of biology at Texas Tech University, The New York Times,

February 3, 2003, Professor’s Snub of Creationists Prompts U. S. Inquiry)

“If you set up an appointment to discuss the writing of a letter of recommendation, I will ask you: ‘How do you think the human

species originated?’ If you cannot truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer to this question, then you should

not seek my recommendation for admittance to further education in the

biomedical sciences.” (Michael L. Dini, associate professor of biology at Texas Tech University,

www2.tltc.ttuedu/dini/Personal/letters.htm – From – www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0114dini.asp)

“I suggest that every professor should reserve the right to fail any student in

his class no matter what the grade record indicates, whenever basic

misunderstandings of a certain magnitude are discovered. Moreover, I would

propose retracting grades and possibly even degrees if such gross

misunderstandings are publicly espoused after passing the course, or after being

graduated....”(John W. Patterson, former professor at Iowa State university – Zuidema, p. 18, emp. added,

via November/December 1984 issue of Liberty magazine)

“... In geology and biology, denying the facts of evolution or an earth age in the order of billions of years, would, in my

view, be grounds for drastic action. ...Resorting to arguments based

on religious commitments, personal inspirations, revelations, and such would not be acceptable defenses; however, logically coherent arguments based on

valid evidence could be. …”(John W. Patterson, former professor at Iowa State university – Zuidema, p. 18, emp. added,

via November/December 1984 issue of Liberty magazine)

“… Decisions as to what is logically coherent or what is valid evidence would have to be made by appropriate faculty

experts or panels who might also be called to task if their rationale(s) reflect academic irresponsibility or scholarly

incompetence”(John W. Patterson, former professor at Iowa State university – Zuidema, p. 18, emp. added,

via November/December 1984 issue of Liberty magazine)

If all scientists believe evolution to be true …

Then it has to be true! Right?!

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Scientific Method

•Characterization•Hypotheses•Predictions•Experiments

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Scientific Method• Define the Question• Gather Information• Form Hypothesis• Perform experiment• Analyze Data

• Interpret data & Draw conclusions

• Publish Results• Retest (Peer review)

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Theory of Evolution?

Big Bang Theory?

Is it true that all scientists believe in Darwin’s Theory of

Evolution?

NO!

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“We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection

to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for

Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”(www.discovery.org)

Physicians & Surgeons Who Dissent From

Darwin

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“We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection

to account for the origination and complexity of life and we therefore dissent

from Darwinian macroevolution as a viable theory. This does not imply the endorsement of any alternative theory”Physicians and Surgeons Who Dissent From Darwinism – www.pssiinternational.com

Evolution is nothing more than a system of

Faith!Take TIME out of the equation

and evolution falls apart!

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Breeding population of 100 million…

New Generation produced daily…

Good evolutionary results would be about once every … 274 billion

yearsDr. George G. Simpson

(The Major Features of Evolution, New York: Columbia University Press, 1953, p. 96

But scientists have proven that the age of

the earth is around 4.5 to 5 Billion years old.

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Have They?

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“No terrestrial rocks closely approaching an age of 4.6 billion years have yet been discovered. The evidence for the age of the

earth is circumstantial, being based upon … indirect reasoning.”

Dr. Stephen Moorebath, University of Oxford (Scientific American, March 1977, pg. 92)

“There is no evidence based solely on solar observations that the Sun is 4.5 to 5 billion years old. … I suspect that the Sun is 4.5

billion years old. However, given some new and unexpected results to the contrary, and

some time for frantic recalculation and theoretical readjustment, I suspect that we

could live with Bishop Ussher’s value for the age of the Earth and Sun … I don’t think we

have much in the way of observational evidence in astronomy to conflict with that”

John Eddy, evolutionary astronomer (Eddy, John, 1978, Geotimes, September)

All methods of dating are based on

“assumptions”Assumption – A fact or

statement taken for granted

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Assumption #1: Scientists believe they know the decay rate of Uranium-238 to

Lead-206

Assumption #2: No lead-206 at formation

Assumption #3: Nothing occurred to the rock to alter the parent or daughter

element since the beginning

Assumption #4: Decay rates are constant from formation to present

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““The age of our globe is presently thought to be some 4.5 billion years, based on radiodecay

rates of uranium and thorium. Such “confirmation” may be short-lived, as nature is

not to be discovered quite so easily. There has been in recent years the horrible

realization that radiodecay rates are not as constant as previously thought, nor are they

immune to environmental influences. …” - Jueneman, Frederic B. 1982. Industrial Research and Development, June

“… And this could mean that the atomic clocks are reset during some global disaster, and

events which brought the Mesozoic [age] to a close may not be 65 million years ago, but rather, within the age and memory of man” -

Jueneman, Frederic B. 1982. Industrial Research and Development, June

But by using different methods we are able to arrive at the same

age … right?

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Case #1: Cardenas Lavas

•Potassium-Argon – 860 million years•Rubidium Strontium – 1,160 million years•A difference of 300 million years

(E. H. McKee and D. C. Noble, “Age of the Cardenas Lavas, Grand Canyon Arizona,” Geological Society of America Bulletin 87 (August 1976), pp. 1188-1190)

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Case #2: Basalt rock from Nigeria

•Conventional Geology –2-26 million years•Fission Tracks – <30 million years•Potassium-Argon – 95 million years•Uranium-Helium – 750 million years

(Nature Physical Science, Vol. 232 (July 19, 1971), pp. 60-61)

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What happens when they get differing

results?

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“In conventional interpretation of potassium-argon age date, it is common to discard ages which are substantially

too high or too low compared with the rest of the group or with other available data

such as the geologic time scale. The discrepancies between the rejected and the accepted are arbitrarily attributed to

excess or loss of argon.” – A. Hayatsu, Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences 16 (1979), 974

Case #3: Basaltic rocks from Hawaii

• Known to have formed less than 200 years ago

• Potassium-Argon – 160 million to almost 3 billion years

(Funkhouser & Naughton, Journal of Geophysical Research (July 15, 1968), p. 4601)

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Case #4: Volcanic rock from Azores & Vesuvius

• Known to be very young in age• Tests gave ages from 100 million to

1.5 billion years(Harold W. Clark, The Battle Over Genesis, Washington, DC; Herald &

Review, 1977, p. 138)

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Case #5: Shells of Living Mollusks

• Carbon 14 – 2,300 years

(M. S. Keith & G. M. Anderson, Science, August 16, 1963, p. 634)

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Case #6: Freshly Killed Seals

• Have been dated at 1300 years• Mummified seals dead for only 30

years, dated as high as 4,600 years

(Dort, Anarctic Journal of the U. S., 6 (1971), p. 210)

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Case #7: Mummified Musk Ox

• Muscle Tissue has a radiocarbon age of 24,000

• Hair from hind limb – 7,200

(Robert Brown, Review & Herald, Vol. 148, No. 44 (October 28, 1971)

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Case #8: Wood from growing Trees

• Carbon 14 – 10,000 years *• Oldest known tree estimated at

4900 years **

*(Caryl Haskins, American Scientist, Vol. 59, May/June 1971, p. 298)**(C. W. Fergusun, Science, 159, February 23, 1968, p. 840)

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“Many archaeologists still think of radiocarbon dating as a scientific

technique that must be either right or wrong. Would that it were so simple.”

He states 1870 BC (plus or minus 6) is “the earliest actual recorded date in

human history.” (Froelich Rainey, “Dating the Past,” 1971 Yearbook of Science

and the Future (Britannica), pp. 390-391)

Great Amount of Faith involved in believing

the Theory of Evolution

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What about the Dinosaurs?

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“Evidence of hemoglobin, and the still recognizable shapes of red blood

cells in unfossilized dinosaur bone is powerful testimony against the whole

idea of dinosaurs living millions of years ago.”

Carl Wieland, “Sensational Dinosaur Blood Report” Creation

ex nihilo. Vol. 19(4), 1997, p. 42-43

So, How old are dinosaurs?

•Same age as man!•Both created on Day 6

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Is There A God?

What evidence is there for an Intelligent Designer?

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Bacterial Flagellum

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“Flagellum’s propeller can spin at 10,000 rpm …

stop spinning within a quarter

turn and instantly start spinning the

other way at 10,000 rpm.”

(Behe, The Case For Creation – The Scientific Case For

Creation)

“The most efficient machine

in the universe”

(Howard Berg of Harvard)

“If the creation of a simple device (like a mouse trap) requires

intelligent design, then we have to ask, ‘What about the finely tuned machines of the cellular world?’”

(Behe, The Case For Creation – The Scientific Case For Creation)

The Human Body

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“To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different

distances, for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and

chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess,

absurd in the highest possible degree.” (Charles Darwin)

“Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is

certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of

believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by

our imagination can hardly be considered real.”(Charles Darwin)

Richard Dawkins

•Cambrian Explosion–½ billion animals suddenly appear in the fossil record

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“The majority of animal phyla already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time

they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history.

Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists.

Evolutionists of all stripes believe, however, that this really does represent a very large gap

in the fossil record.”Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker

Why is it so hard to believe in Intelligent

Design?The Evidence is all around

you!

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Why then don’t scientists admit the possibility of God?

They Simply don’t WANT TO!

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Stein: Well then who did create the heavens and the Earth?

Dawkins: Why do you use the word ‘Who’? You see, you immediately beg the question by using the word ‘Who’.

Stein: Well then how did it get created?Dawkins: Well, by a very slow process.

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Dawkins: Nobody knows how it started. We know the kind of event that it must have been. We know the sort of event that must have happened for the origin of life

Stein: And what was that?Dawkins: It was the origin of the first

self-replicating molecule.

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Stein: Right, and how did that happen?Dawkins: I’ve told you, we don’t know.Stein: So you have no idea how it

started?Dawkins: No. Nor has anybody.Stein: Nor has anyone else.Stein: What do you think is the

possibility that there’s an intelligent design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics or Darwinian evolution?

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Dawkins: Well, it would come about in the following way:

Dawkins: It could be that at some earlier time somewhere in the universe a civilization evolved by probably some kind of Darwinian means to a very, very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet.

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Dawkins: Now that is a possibility and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it’s possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry and molecular biology you might find a signature of some sort of designer.

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Dawkins: And that designer could well be a higher intelligence from elsewhere in the Universe. But that higher intelligence would itself had to have come about by some explicable – or ultimately explicable process.

Dawkins: He couldn’t have just jumped into existence spontaneously, that’s the point.

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Stein then questions Dawkins about the existence of a god – the Hebrew God of the OT, the holy trinity of the NT and Hindu gods. Dawkins denies the existence of any of them.

Dawkins: How can you ask such a question? How could I? Why would I, given that I don’t believe in any others?

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Stein: Well, I just wanted to be sure. So you don’t believe in any god, anywhere?

Dawkins: Any god, anywhere would be completely incompatible with anything that I’ve said.

Stein: I just wanted to make sure: You don’t believe in ANY god anywhere.

Dawkins: No

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Stein: What if after you died you ran into God, he said “What’ve you been doing, Richard?! I mean, what’ve you been doing? I’ve been trying to be nice to you, I gave you a multi-million dollar paycheck over and over again with your book and look what you did!”

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Dawkins: Bertrand Russell had that point put to him and he said something like “Sir, why did you take such pains to hide yourself?”

“19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His

invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood

through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their

foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,” Romans 1:19-22

Does it take faith to believe in God?

YES!!!

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“19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His

invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood

through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their

foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,” Romans 1:19-22

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