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Film & Publications
Amendment Bill:
Presentation to Home Affairs Portfolio
Committee
Internet Service
Providers’Association
Agenda
Agenda
��About IS
PA
About IS
PA
��Genera
l Com
ments
Genera
l Com
ments
––Definitio
n o
f In
tern
et Serv
ice P
rovid
er
Definitio
n o
f In
tern
et Serv
ice P
rovid
er
––Definitio
n o
f in
tera
ctiv
e c
om
pute
r gam
eDefinitio
n o
f in
tera
ctiv
e c
om
pute
r gam
e
––Gam
es
and p
ictu
res
Gam
es
and p
ictu
res
––film
or public
ation?
film
or public
ation?
––New
tech
nolo
gie
s New
tech
nolo
gie
s ––
peer
peer --
toto-- p
eer and u
ser
peer and u
ser
genera
ted c
onte
nt
genera
ted c
onte
nt
��Specific
Com
ments
Specific
Com
ments
––Resp
onsibility
for su
bm
ission o
f co
nte
nt
Resp
onsibility
for su
bm
ission o
f co
nte
nt
––New
24C
New
24C
��IS
PA initia
tives
to p
rote
ct c
hild
ren &
pro
mote
IS
PA initia
tives
to p
rote
ct c
hild
ren &
pro
mote
co
mplia
nce
com
plia
nce
��IS
PA thanks
the p
ortfo
lio c
om
mitte
e for
ISPA thanks
the p
ortfo
lio c
om
mitte
e for
the o
pportunity to p
rese
nt at th
ese
th
e o
pportunity to p
rese
nt at th
ese
hearings
hearings
About ISPA
�Histo
ry
–Founded in J
une 1
996, th
e Inte
rnet Serv
ice
Pro
vid
ers
’Ass
ociation (IS
PA) w
as
founded
by n
ine ISPs
–Tw
o k
ey m
otivations
for IS
PA’s form
ation:
�1. IS
Ps
share
d c
once
rns
about Telk
om
’s e
ntry
into
the ISP m
ark
et.
�2. To e
stablis
h the J
ohannesb
urg
Inte
rnet
exch
ange
About ISPA
�M
em
bers
hip
–IS
PA c
urrently h
as 128
mem
bers
–Currently a
n a
vera
ge o
f 2-3
new
mem
bers
join
each
month
–M
em
bers
are
prim
arily
Inte
rnet acc
ess
pro
vid
ers
(includin
g rese
llers
or “v
irtu
al”
ISPs)
–Sin
ce 2
001, affiliate
mem
bers
hip
has
been
availa
ble
for IS
Ps
who d
o n
ot se
ll acc
ess
(e.g
. co
nte
nt host
ing s
erv
ices)
–M
ost
ISPA m
em
bers
are
com
merc
ial ente
rprise
s,
but m
em
bers
also include n
on-p
rofit org
anisations,
in
div
iduals a
nd tru
sts
About ISPA
�M
em
bers
hip
by c
ate
gory
–Larg
e a
ccess
pro
vid
ers
: 13
–M
ediu
m a
ccess
pro
vid
ers
: 6
–Sm
all
acc
ess
pro
vid
ers
: 100
�The m
ajo
rity
of IS
PA’s s
mall
mem
bers
(and a
lso a
m
ajo
rity
of all
mem
bers
) are
cla
ssifie
d a
s SM
MEs
�Honora
ry m
em
bers
–e-S
chools N
etw
ork
, NetD
ay, Sch
oolN
etSA, TENET
General Comments
General Comments
Definition of ISP
Definition of ISP
��In
consist
ent definitio
ns
of
Inco
nsist
ent definitio
ns
of ““ I
nte
rnet
Inte
rnet ””
and
and
““ Inte
rnet Serv
ice P
rovid
er
Inte
rnet Serv
ice P
rovid
er ””
in v
arious
pie
ces
in v
arious
pie
ces
of le
gisla
tion
of le
gisla
tion
��Has
impact
on u
se in the F
&P A
ct a
nd B
illHas
impact
on u
se in the F
&P A
ct a
nd B
ill
��Som
e e
xam
ple
sSom
e e
xam
ple
s
––In
terc
eption legisla
tion (RIC
A)
Inte
rception legisla
tion (RIC
A)
––ECT A
ctECT A
ct
––Ele
ctro
nic C
om
munications
Act
Ele
ctro
nic C
om
munications
Act
––Tele
com
munications
Act
Tele
com
munications
Act
Content Services
Content Services
��EC A
ct "ele
ctro
nic c
om
munications"
means
the e
mission, transm
iss
EC A
ct "ele
ctro
nic c
om
munications"
means
the e
mission, transm
iss ion o
r io
n o
r re
ception o
f in
form
ation, in
cludin
g w
ithout lim
itation,
rece
ption o
f in
form
ation, in
cludin
g w
ithout lim
itation, ……
vid
eo, anim
ation,
vid
eo, anim
ation,
visual im
ages,
movin
g im
ages
and p
ictu
res,
sig
nals o
r a c
om
bin
at
visual im
ages,
movin
g im
ages
and p
ictu
res,
sig
nals o
r a c
om
bin
at ion there
of
ion there
of
……but does not include content service
but does not include content service; (o
ur em
phasis
added)
; (o
ur em
phasis
added)
��"c
onte
nt se
rvice" re
fere
nce
an e
rror as
definitio
n d
oes
not appe
"conte
nt se
rvice" re
fere
nce
an e
rror as
definitio
n d
oes
not appear in
the E
C
ar in
the E
C
Act
Act
��Origin
ate
s in
the
Origin
ate
s in
the ““
Converg
ence
Converg
ence
””Bill:
Bill:
––"c
onte
nt"
means
any
"conte
nt"
means
any ——
��(a
) so
und; (b
) te
xt; (c)
still
pictu
re; (d
) m
ovin
g p
ictu
re; (e
) (a
) so
und; (b
) te
xt; (c)
still
pictu
re; (d
) m
ovin
g p
ictu
re; (e
) oth
er audio
visual
oth
er audio
visual
repre
senta
tion o
r se
nso
ry repre
senta
tion; or (f) any c
om
bin
ation
repre
senta
tion o
r se
nso
ry repre
senta
tion; or (f) any c
om
bin
ation
of th
e p
rece
din
g,
of th
e p
rece
din
g,
––w
hich is
capable
of bein
g
which is
capable
of bein
g ——
��(i) cr
eate
d; (ii) m
anip
ula
ted; (iii)
sto
red; (iv) re
trie
ved; and
(i) cr
eate
d; (ii) m
anip
ula
ted; (iii)
sto
red; (iv) re
trie
ved; and
(v) co
mm
unicate
d,
(v) co
mm
unicate
d,
––but excludes
conte
nt co
nta
ined in p
rivate
com
munications
betw
een
but excludes
conte
nt co
nta
ined in p
rivate
com
munications
betw
een
consu
mers
consu
mers
––"c
onte
nt se
rvice" m
eans
the
"conte
nt se
rvice" m
eans
the ——
��(a
) pro
visio
n o
f co
nte
nt; o
r (b
) th
e e
xerc
ise o
f editorial co
ntr
(a) pro
visio
n o
f co
nte
nt; o
r (b
) th
e e
xerc
ise o
f editorial co
ntr
ol over th
e c
onte
nt
ol over th
e c
onte
nt
conveyed v
ia a
com
munications
netw
ork
to the p
ublic
or se
ctio
ns
conveyed v
ia a
com
munications
netw
ork
to the p
ublic
or se
ctio
ns
of th
e p
ublic
, su
ch a
s of th
e p
ublic
, su
ch a
s onlin
e p
ublis
hin
g a
nd info
rmation s
erv
ices.
onlin
e p
ublis
hin
g a
nd info
rmation s
erv
ices.
Content Service
Content Service
��EC A
ct
EC A
ct ––
no license
for pro
vid
ing a
conte
nt
no license
for pro
vid
ing a
conte
nt
serv
ice
serv
ice
��License
for pro
vid
ing a
n e
lect
ronic
License
for pro
vid
ing a
n e
lect
ronic
com
munications
serv
ice a
nd e
lect
ronic
com
munications
serv
ice a
nd e
lect
ronic
com
munications
netw
ork
serv
ice
com
munications
netw
ork
serv
ice
��Conte
nt se
rvices
are
Conte
nt se
rvices
are
EXACTLY
EXACTLY
the s
erv
ices
the
the s
erv
ices
the
Film
s & P
ublic
ations
Act
seeks
to regula
te a
nd
Film
s & P
ublic
ations
Act
seeks
to regula
te a
nd
Bill s
eeks
to e
xte
nd this regula
tion
Bill s
eeks
to e
xte
nd this regula
tion
��Oblig
ations
should
be p
lace
d o
n the c
orrect
Oblig
ations
should
be p
lace
d o
n the c
orrect
partie
s partie
s NOT ON CONVENIENT
NOT ON CONVENIENT
partie
s su
ch a
s partie
s su
ch a
s ele
ctro
nic c
om
munications
serv
ice p
rovid
ers
ele
ctro
nic c
om
munications
serv
ice p
rovid
ers
Definition of Interactive
Definition of Interactive
Computer Game
Computer Game
��““ c
om
pute
r gam
eco
mpute
r gam
e””
is a
com
pute
ris a
com
pute
r --co
ntrolle
d g
am
eco
ntrolle
d g
am
e
��““ v
ideo g
am
evid
eo g
am
e””
is a
com
pute
r gam
e w
here
a v
ideo d
ispla
y s
uch
as
a
is a
com
pute
r gam
e w
here
a v
ideo d
ispla
y s
uch
as
a
monitor or te
levisio
n is
the p
rim
ary
feedback
device
monitor or te
levisio
n is
the p
rim
ary
feedback
device
��Unsu
re d
ete
rmin
ing fact
or:
Unsu
re d
ete
rmin
ing fact
or:
––In
tera
ctiv
ity; or
Inte
ract
ivity; or
––Pla
yed o
n s
om
e s
ort o
f hard
ware
with c
om
puting funct
ionalit
y
Pla
yed o
n s
om
e s
ort o
f hard
ware
with c
om
puting funct
ionalit
y
(pers
onal co
mpute
r, c
onso
l, m
obile
phone o
r th
e like).
(pers
onal co
mpute
r, c
onso
l, m
obile
phone o
r th
e like).
��Tech
nolo
gy n
eutral te
rms
should
be u
sed, as
far as
Tech
nolo
gy n
eutral te
rms
should
be u
sed, as
far as
poss
ible
poss
ible
��IS
PA reco
mm
ends
that th
e d
efinitio
n o
f IS
PA reco
mm
ends
that th
e d
efinitio
n o
f ““ inte
ract
ive
inte
ract
ive
com
pute
r gam
eco
mpute
r gam
e””be a
mended to read:
be a
mended to read:
––‘‘ game
game’’m
eans
a c
om
pute
r gam
e, vid
eo g
am
e o
r oth
er
means
a c
om
pute
r gam
e, vid
eo g
am
e o
r oth
er
inte
ract
ive c
om
pute
r so
ftw
are
for in
tera
ctiv
e g
am
e p
layin
g,
inte
ract
ive c
om
pute
r so
ftw
are
for in
tera
ctiv
e g
am
e p
layin
g,
where
the resu
lts
ach
ieved a
t various
stages
of th
e g
am
e a
re
where
the resu
lts
ach
ieved a
t various
stages
of th
e g
am
e a
re
dete
rmin
ed in resp
onse
to the d
ecisions,
inputs
and d
irect
dete
rmin
ed in resp
onse
to the d
ecisions,
inputs
and d
irect
in
volv
em
ent of th
e g
am
e p
layer or pla
yers
,in
volv
em
ent of th
e g
am
e p
layer or pla
yers
,
Games
Games ––Film or Publication
Film or Publication
��Film
s treate
d d
iffe
rently fro
m p
ublic
ations
as:
Film
s treate
d d
iffe
rently fro
m p
ublic
ations
as:
––la
rger audie
nce
s in
cin
em
as
& o
n T
Vla
rger audie
nce
s in
cin
em
as
& o
n T
V
––gre
ate
r im
pact
of film
s co
mpare
d to p
ublic
ations,
gre
ate
r im
pact
of film
s co
mpare
d to p
ublic
ations,
particula
rly o
n the y
outh
particula
rly o
n the y
outh
––ta
rgete
d a
t genera
l public
while
public
ations
targ
ete
d a
t genera
l public
while
public
ations
targ
ete
d a
t a s
pecific
audie
nce
targ
ete
d a
t a s
pecific
audie
nce
��Gam
es
close
r in
natu
re to p
ublic
ations
than
Gam
es
close
r in
natu
re to p
ublic
ations
than
film
sfilm
s
��IS
PA R
eco
mm
ends
gam
es
be tre
ate
d a
s IS
PA R
eco
mm
ends
gam
es
be tre
ate
d a
s public
ations
and n
ot film
spublic
ations
and n
ot film
s
Electronic Pictures: Film or
Electronic Pictures: Film or
Publication?
Publication?
��In
tern
al in
consist
ency
Inte
rnal in
consist
ency
��M
ulti
Multi --m
edia
conte
nt distrib
ute
d e
lect
ronically
m
edia
conte
nt distrib
ute
d e
lect
ronically
(s
uch
as
by w
ay o
f th
e Inte
rnet) c
an b
e:
(such
as
by w
ay o
f th
e Inte
rnet) c
an b
e:
––a film
a film
““a p
ictu
re inte
nded for exhib
itio
n thro
ugh the
a p
ictu
re inte
nded for exhib
itio
n thro
ugh the
mediu
m o
f any m
ech
anical, e
lect
ronic o
r oth
er
mediu
m o
f any m
ech
anical, e
lect
ronic o
r oth
er
device
device”” ;
and
; a
nd
––a p
ublic
ation
a p
ublic
ation
““ a m
ess
age o
r co
mm
unication, in
cludin
g
a m
ess
age o
r co
mm
unication, in
cludin
g
a v
isual pre
senta
tion, pla
ced o
n a
ny d
istrib
ute
d
a v
isual pre
senta
tion, pla
ced o
n a
ny d
istrib
ute
d
netw
ork
includin
g, but not co
nfined to, th
e Inte
rnet
netw
ork
includin
g, but not co
nfined to, th
e Inte
rnet ””
where
w
here
““visual pre
senta
tion
visual pre
senta
tion””in
cludes
includes
““ a d
raw
ing,
a d
raw
ing,
pictu
re, illust
ration
pictu
re, illust
ration …
”…
”
��IS
PA reco
mm
ends
that su
ch c
onte
nt be tre
ate
d
ISPA reco
mm
ends
that su
ch c
onte
nt be tre
ate
d
as
a p
ublic
ation a
nd n
ot a film
as
a p
ublic
ation a
nd n
ot a film
New Technologies
New Technologies
��Old
media
Old
media
––editor se
lect
ed a
nd d
istrib
ute
d
editor se
lect
ed a
nd d
istrib
ute
d
thro
ugh e
xisting c
hannels
thro
ugh e
xisting c
hannels
��““ N
ew
New
””m
edia
m
edia
––editor se
lect
ed a
nd
editor se
lect
ed a
nd
distrib
ute
d thro
ugh n
ew
channels
distrib
ute
d thro
ugh n
ew
channels e
geg
the
the
Inte
rnet
Inte
rnet
��Really
Really
NEW
NEW
media
m
edia
––use
r se
lect
ed a
nd s
elf
use
r se
lect
ed a
nd s
elf
publis
hed thro
ugh
publis
hed thro
ugh b
logs
blo
gs, , podca
sts
podca
sts, peer
, peer --
toto-- p
eer sh
aring n
etw
ork
s peer sh
aring n
etw
ork
s eg
eg
YouTube
YouTube, ,
MySpace
MySpace
��Regula
te the c
onte
nt pro
vid
er
Regula
te the c
onte
nt pro
vid
er NOT
NOT
the ISP
the ISP
Specific Comments
Specific Comments
(com
ments
on S
ect
ion 2
4C included in a
(c
om
ments
on S
ect
ion 2
4C included in a
pro
pose
d redra
ft o
f th
e S
ect
ion p
rovid
ed to
pro
pose
d redra
ft o
f th
e S
ect
ion p
rovid
ed to
this C
om
mitte
e)
this C
om
mitte
e)
Responsibility for Submission
Responsibility for Submission
��IS
Ps
may h
ost
conte
nt fo
r th
eir c
ust
om
ers
ISPs
may h
ost
conte
nt fo
r th
eir c
ust
om
ers
��M
ay h
ost
M
ay h
ost
““m
irro
rsm
irro
rs””of in
tern
ational site
s of in
tern
ational site
s as
a
as
a
serv
ice to the loca
l co
mm
unity
serv
ice to the loca
l co
mm
unity
��Num
bers
may b
e h
uge &
cost
s in
credib
leNum
bers
may b
e h
uge &
cost
s in
credib
le
��IS
PA reco
mm
ends:
ISPA reco
mm
ends:
––definitio
n o
f definitio
n o
f ““ d
istrib
ute
distrib
ute
””in
clude g
am
es
include g
am
es
––pro
pose
d S
ect
ion 1
8 s
pecifica
lly e
xclude h
ost
ing
pro
pose
d S
ect
ion 1
8 s
pecifica
lly e
xclude h
ost
ing
auto
mate
d m
irro
rs for m
odera
ted inte
rnational
auto
mate
d m
irro
rs for m
odera
ted inte
rnational
dow
nlo
ad Inte
rnet site
sdow
nlo
ad Inte
rnet site
s
––The s
anct
ion in the p
ropose
d S
ect
ion 2
4A(2
) sh
ould
not
The s
anct
ion in the p
ropose
d S
ect
ion 2
4A(2
) sh
ould
not
apply
where
an ISP m
ere
ly h
ost
s an a
uto
mate
d m
irro
r apply
where
an ISP m
ere
ly h
ost
s an a
uto
mate
d m
irro
r of an inte
rnational In
tern
et dow
nlo
ad s
ite.
of an inte
rnational In
tern
et dow
nlo
ad s
ite.
Proposed Section 24C
Proposed Section 24C
��Refe
rs to
Refe
rs to ““
Inte
rnet acc
ess
and s
erv
ice p
rovid
ers
Inte
rnet acc
ess
and s
erv
ice p
rovid
ers
””––
inte
rnal co
nfu
sion. Is
the inte
ntion to refe
r to
:in
tern
al co
nfu
sion. Is
the inte
ntion to refe
r to
:
––both
both
Inte
rnet acc
ess
pro
vid
ers
Inte
rnet acc
ess
pro
vid
ers
and
and I
nte
rnet se
rvice
Inte
rnet se
rvice
pro
vid
ers
pro
vid
ers
? ? Tauto
logous
Tauto
logous
––In
tern
et acc
ess
pro
vid
ers
Inte
rnet acc
ess
pro
vid
ers
and a
generic
undefined c
lass
and a
generic
undefined c
lass
of se
rvice p
rovid
ers
?of se
rvice p
rovid
ers
?
––only
to Inte
rnet se
rvice p
rovid
ers
?only
to Inte
rnet se
rvice p
rovid
ers
?
��IS
Ps
genera
lly d
oes
not pro
vid
e the c
hat ro
om
or
ISPs
genera
lly d
oes
not pro
vid
e the c
hat ro
om
or
child
child
-- orienta
ted s
erv
ice
orienta
ted s
erv
ice
��IS
PA R
eco
mm
ends
oblig
ations
in the p
ropose
d
ISPA R
eco
mm
ends
oblig
ations
in the p
ropose
d
Sect
ion 2
4C a
re n
ot im
pose
d o
n Inte
rnet acc
ess
Sect
ion 2
4C a
re n
ot im
pose
d o
n Inte
rnet acc
ess
pro
vid
ers
or se
rvice p
rovid
ers
but ra
ther
pro
vid
ers
or se
rvice p
rovid
ers
but ra
ther on the
on the
operator of the child
operator of the child-- orientated service
orientated service
Proposed Section 24C
Proposed Section 24C
��““ C
hild
orienta
ted s
erv
ices
Child
orienta
ted s
erv
ices””not defined
not defined
��IS
PA reco
mm
ends:
ISPA reco
mm
ends:
––““ S
erv
ices
specifica
lly targ
ete
d a
t ch
ildre
n rath
er th
an a
t Serv
ices
specifica
lly targ
ete
d a
t ch
ildre
n rath
er th
an a
t adults
adults””
––Serv
ices
that are
aim
ed a
t adults,
but w
hich a
child
mig
ht
Serv
ices
that are
aim
ed a
t adults,
but w
hich a
child
mig
ht
also u
se, sh
ould
not be s
ubje
ct to the p
rovisio
ns
of th
e
also u
se, sh
ould
not be s
ubje
ct to the p
rovisio
ns
of th
e
pro
pose
d S
ect
ion 2
4C
pro
pose
d S
ect
ion 2
4C
––Lim
ited to c
onta
ct s
erv
ices,
which a
llow
use
rs o
f th
e
Lim
ited to c
onta
ct s
erv
ices,
which a
llow
use
rs o
f th
e
serv
ice to c
onta
ct e
ach
oth
er and e
xch
ange
serv
ice to c
onta
ct e
ach
oth
er and e
xch
ange
com
munications,
thro
ugh the m
ech
anism
of su
ch s
erv
ice
com
munications,
thro
ugh the m
ech
anism
of su
ch s
erv
ice
––It m
ay b
e n
ece
ssary
to include c
onte
nt se
rvices
as
well
It m
ay b
e n
ece
ssary
to include c
onte
nt se
rvices
as
well
and ISPA h
as
pro
pose
d d
efinitio
ns
of both
of th
ese
and ISPA h
as
pro
pose
d d
efinitio
ns
of both
of th
ese
co
nce
pts
conce
pts
Proposed Section 24C
Proposed Section 24C
��Not te
chnolo
gy n
eutral. Inte
rnet sh
ould
not be
Not te
chnolo
gy n
eutral. Inte
rnet sh
ould
not be
treate
d d
iffe
rently fro
m:
treate
d d
iffe
rently fro
m:
––Conta
ct p
ages
in m
agazines
Conta
ct p
ages
in m
agazines
––M
obile
phone c
onta
ct s
erv
ices
Mobile
phone c
onta
ct s
erv
ices
��Oblig
ation im
pose
d o
n the w
rong p
ers
on:
Oblig
ation im
pose
d o
n the w
rong p
ers
on:
––Should
be o
n the c
hild
orienta
ted s
erv
ice p
rovid
er
Should
be o
n the c
hild
orienta
ted s
erv
ice p
rovid
er NOT
NOT
the Inte
rnet se
rvice p
rovid
er
the Inte
rnet se
rvice p
rovid
er
––Very
seld
om
the s
am
e p
ers
on / e
ntity
Very
seld
om
the s
am
e p
ers
on / e
ntity
��Filt
ering s
oftw
are
an a
dditio
nal se
rvice
Filt
ering s
oftw
are
an a
dditio
nal se
rvice
––Giv
e a
ccess
to e
nd
Giv
e a
ccess
to e
nd-- u
ser so
ftw
are
use
r so
ftw
are
––Not co
rpora
te s
cale
solu
tions
Not co
rpora
te s
cale
solu
tions
ISPA Initiatives
ISPA Initiatives
ISPA Initiatives
ISPA Initiatives
��IS
PA h
as
a c
lose
work
ing rela
tionsh
ip w
ith
ISPA h
as
a c
lose
work
ing rela
tionsh
ip w
ith
the F
&P B
oard
the F
&P B
oard
��W
ork
ing to registe
r all
its
mem
bers
Work
ing to registe
r all
its
mem
bers
��Pro
pose
d p
roto
col on u
nla
wfu
l co
nte
nt
Pro
pose
d p
roto
col on u
nla
wfu
l co
nte
nt
––Child
porn
ogra
phy
Child
porn
ogra
phy
––Base
d o
n B
elg
ian a
nd U
K e
xam
ple
sBase
d o
n B
elg
ian a
nd U
K e
xam
ple
s
––Pra
ctical issu
es
(how
to report, re
tain
, hand
Pra
ctical issu
es
(how
to report, re
tain
, hand
over)
over)
––Lim
itation o
f lia
bility
Lim
itation o
f lia
bility
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rnet Serv
ice P
rovid
ers
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ociation
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er –
regula
tory
advisor
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e@
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Thank you!