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Interior to Lower Mainland Project. Record of All Communications with First Nations

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Meeting: ~ Let =First Nation: Sto;lo Tribal Council

Date:(jy,mon,dd)

2008,6,6

Initiated by:(first and last oam~))

Cony Archibald._----_._-----_.

Recipient: Otis Jasper (STC)(position tJ tie, first

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Attendees:(iF appropnnte name))(position title, first and

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Grand Chief Doug Kelly (STC)Kat Pennier (STC)lye McNiel (STC)Chief Clem seymour (Seabird)Brian Jones (seabird)Chief Betty Henry (Kwakwapilt)Gill)ert Joe (Kwakwapilt)Chief Andy Phillips (SColitz)Cnuncilor Tanya lVlcDonald (Soowahlie)Margaret Charlie (Chawatllil)Chris ladson (Chawathil)Mi'lrtin Edwards (Sl1ohemel)Roger Andrews (Shohemel)Erin Hanson (SRP1"IC)Ot~c;Jasper (Sto:lo Triool Council)Eric Denhoff (BCH)Corry Archibald (BCH)

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Key Discussion Past GrievancesSummary: i EAO timelines

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Ene Denhoff thank.ed STC for t~~klng the time to meet with BCH sti1~ln\J t":st it W::lS\)00,1 to catch up. There h<:ls be-en a 101of work. done on the TUS :Inc! .All\, toelate. 8CH appreciates lh8 efforts made. Tht" EAO pro{~ess IS continuing on ILM.wor\<,15being done by Golder, dl5crpline studies wIll be out in rntd June f()[' re'liew,vmiou~; points going to be continuous Expect nlat W'l"r1 :tl'~.vor'< IS don,,· ltlcnwe'll be negotiatmg Where they can t mittg;~1e there Win be fKCOmfn0,ja:iJo :=0rsome folks, the new line might not h8'!€ an Impact - not o,)hhr,al W,?'ve come t,)sp.e if consultatIOn process is wOlklnfj to f1ate?

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ED said he would make himself available for input

Clem St:lymour - Watching things being done. when going fOIW8rd the old lineinterrupted spiritual things, arch sites, pit sites Need to sit down & take care ofthe past together. Need to be a level playing fjeld, How do we sit down together,need to rectify things due to no consultation before, need 1.0 fix it, it's velYimportant. A lot of things have been destroyed, very difficult to look at the future.TUS only tells part of the story - deep history - how do we fix it?

Doug Kelly - Tribal Council works on projects that the Bands ask us to. Seabird,Ctlawattlil and Kwantlen are doing it on their own but we work together. We alsowork with Sumas, Chehalis and In-Shuck. We were approached from Chiefs fom)other areas to meet and share concerns. We're looking at meeting later thismonth. One thing always troubles us is government. crown corps securingmandates before gathering information What fOom is there for you to go back toHydro & BCTC to revise the mandate to reflect current views, issues andconcerns - some historical. Before considering moving on there is somebaggage. We're also troubled by another issue - deadlines - BCTC is filil1kl theEAO application on October 1. Ttle deadline for the TUS is September 30!" hoy'!can BCTC incorporate the information gathered from our work in that time? Thereis no time to support an effective process to make it meaningful.

ED - BC Hydro like to look forward but in communities they didn't get anythingoul of the original project. Chiefs from NNTC, NT A, ONA want historic issuesdealt with before dealing with the future project. Concerns range, in geneQIColdwater may hav,~ visual impacts where Spuzzum have a HWY. railroad andline near or going through their reserve. ED stated that he's had a number ofconversations, Hydro is willing to explore without prejudice what histOlicgrievances are - if it's operational. If they ncl.'CI to rectify something operational itsclearly in Hydro's mandate. If more general-just by the asset being on the landinfringes on R& T its more difficult - the province t1as said that the process istreaty or others with Summit or individually such as Taltan Reconciliation tablewhich deals with lan(j use with the province in ltH~North East-- Oil & Gasdevelopment. Hydro's mandate doesn't extend to Hydro negotiating on R&T forhistoric issues With ONA, NNTC & NTA Hydro offered a parallel process but itdidn't conclude that they couldn't come to agreement.

Df<: - Asked if th<.3reis potential to get a different rnandatl'?

ED - TtJerc is always potential we don't formally ha'/e an accommodationmClndate in plac.e yet We're waiting for discipline reports TUS repolts & Of!)";f";

for discussions. Then sil down figure c·ut the way fOlWart1. We have some ideJsil1 mind ba"',EKJ on other projects. BCTC m,lkes the application in October, notgOing to conclude accommodation by tl1en. For detailed engineering It could takea lot longer Timefines are October I submit application 180 da'/s to revie'Ninr.o!11()rate comments

Doni h<'l'lc a mandctte to easily d!)al with fliSlexic ISSUeS T ,'I\<'.,. it b3Ck to SRmanager, It treaty have a proc8ss but not alway'S 'hork.

Of< - Asked wno the minister Icsponsi!)!e was"

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CS - Where is certainty? Need to create certainty, capacity issues around It -how to take care of it. Taken care of the past. TUS is us sharing - what are yougoing to sh3re with us? Protocol & TUS

AP - Asked about the ROW.

EO - Discussed the route alignment options and the additional ROW required,Suggested having a route alignment meeting with BCTC, BC Hydro Engineeringand Golder.

CA - Stated that Sto:lo have already had a route ali~Jnment meeting andrequested a letter summarizing the preferred alignment BCTC has chosen. CAsaid the letter was being sent out this week.

AP - Stated there is no historical mandate, need to change the mandate of theMinister", Minister Dejong has hit a road block.

OK - Stated that ED comments of the treaty process are funny, if not happy withthe treaty process, .. imagine not happy with it ..BC Hydro process __6 Sto:loBands are in treaty that. represent less than 20% It wasn't the answer 15 yearsago and it's not the answer today. We tried, Sto:lo & fish can't separate.

Dl< - Talked about the timeline .. troubled by 180 days moving ahead withoutadvise ... if serious aboul consultation need to change. Don't ask for informationonly to ignore it.

Why can't Uwy take the infolTnation into account and ttlen submit the application?There are flaws in the process.

ED - It is an on-going process, it isn't a snap shot If) time, it doesl1 t mean only 30days to incol'porate it. There has atmady b~~en a fair bit of technical work that tlasbeen chme. It's only the buginning of the process. if ltley need to change theroute, spacing of towers the EAO will mnke uS do it.

Take the point, only 30 days to incorporate but that is not the intent at all

CA - The TS can also be appendices to the application

TM - BCTC negotiated from a fainted stance, Government is what re8!iy ismissing. No one c~n tell us how lines altect Ollr temto!)' Tt1e tlmeline is reJllyprobl~matJc - Ministry needs to accommodate interests. Encour~)ge STC 10engage Ministers don't think we can do il in the way that's bf~(~niderllified Needto fix thern nOVi - frustration is yrowin~J amongst our people Lean from ONA ;;m.japply It to our areJ

DK - DISCUSSion of fif>a! deSign lack clarity & c'=rtainty on tinal projec:t deSigni~ue, IGck of time to inc.orporate issues \jilt,! Gant you r<')(.umrm'I1J to you; cljcn<to Wke <.1 look at tilB timellne?

BH - 'r'ou'r€' iust WJlnq thr:)ugh the motions, I wan to ;nee! wiU) the hIp

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CJ - The Elders aren't pleased nley weren·t informed of the line going throughhunUng grounds, effects of power line, pesticide use, put lines side by side therewas a good hunting ground. Neeej to listen to the people and Elders - I wish ourleader was here, What are you expecting from us? We're not going to tell oursecrets,

OK - Move 10 extend the deadline, listen to what's troubling our neighbors. Whatabout Delta and BCTC - there is nothing siopping us from working with Delta theyhave fee simple land & heath interests, we are constitutionaHy protected.

ED - Della is a good example, Tsawwassen First Nation supported ';'ihere the lineis, Ihe difference is you were here when Hydro put the lines in. The lines werealready there and the community moved in. To underground the lines lhere ismore EMF,

Regarding timelines, we're happy to sit down and talk about it. I honestly don'tknow if BCTC would cllange the deadline - jf valid reasons why like we can't getadequate consultation done it might change,

ED committed to take it back to BCTC. They look. at when the power is needed inthe Lower Mainland and back up from there, thars how that tirnelines are based.

CS - No certainty, need agreement. how to rnitj~late the past. Distributionpermits, INAC didn·t have a valid pelmit.

ED - Will loOk into the distribution permit.

AP - If you look al volume of power to Lower Mainland to meet current need alllhe development in the last 7 years - HWY 1 etc - if I not needed,S moderateand 1 urgent, is there enough to sustain the growth? What is the criticaltimeframe to consider other options to serve the Lower Mninl~~nd?

ED - I'm nol the best pf}rSOn to answer this but I'll give you a general answer-BC use to be a big expolier of power, BC Hydro is now a net exporter. Theenergy demand is getting worse. They're putting new gcnerHtors to step-up ttlepower at dams, Site C. wind power elc,

Tt1C basis of the ILM lIne IS that Vancouver will start to fun OLlt of reliable powerit's to avoid brown OLlts in Vancouver. BCTC in lhe paper today announced $5bOil new transmiSSion lines.

OJ - Gnw,,1h neee1s from the prospective of the province, based \)(1 view ofcontinued occupation of the territory Tirnelines - Do we warn more gro".;th,walelways, fish, tllere are reClIconcerns LeadershIp has to GonSldi7r thiS. take alot or time to conSlCler

Hedlttl Issues of existill'I Iin~s they are no EflJlF stuJies Gn our comrnunitie~, wewill be the genie pigs as we have been living there sllccessi'Jely

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Is it a possibHity to move hnes out of communities? Existing line research needsto be put at the forefront. Respecting our lurisdiction when the original line wentin, There are a lot of issues. Timelines to effectively make decisions its put toomuch pressure, meaningful research, AlA prior to TUS Sl10uld have TUS to havea meaningful AlA. Need for something ongoing, impending information thetimeline can be extended, Push from BC Hydro to have tirneline extended. Thereare agreements in place that need to be moved.

BJ - You referred to Hydro's technical people and timefines, A lot of historiC<l1infonnation needs to be uncovered. Need to seriol/sly look at this, we provided abudget and it was diminished. It's hard to get the TS interviews done. Noted thatarcheology people are corning out because we flagged .issues. There are timelineand talent challenges.

ED - Nobody wants a process where interviews aren't complete_

You've have 5 months from when the TUS agreement was signed in April andthere is a further 6 months once the application is filed with the EAO

If everyone still says there is not enough time then the EAO witl grant extensions,

1 year funding levels at a minimum to take place. If you get to a point where yourun out of money and this is really important, we'll sit down and re-negotiate asbest as anyone can predict now. If it turns out more informalion is needed we'renot trying to nickel and dime you.

Concerns Raised: Past grievances, timelines

Actions Required:(name and adlon ED committed to take the tirnelinc issue back. to BCTC,

Item)

ED committed to look into Seabirds distribution permit issue

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