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Well friends, I’ve had my fill of

this tom-foolery, so let’s get to

it.

Way back in January, when

r/serialpodcast became so

dreadful that no one could

stomach it, a series of private

subs emerged for people who

thought Adnan Syed just might

have been railroaded. Today, we

know them as:

r/serialdiscussion-public

r/TheBonnerParty-super

secret, not known

r/NarcoticsUnit-membership

only, but not secret

As we'd /u/ViewFromLL2

would have you believe, the

Bonner Party sub was just some

ho-hum, boring, Yahoo

discussion group. Turns out, it

was anything but. It became the

place for Susan Simpson to spill

information from the case files

handed over by /u/rabiasquared

. The purpose of spilling this

information to the members

could be summed up as free

research, much like

/u/EvidenceProf does in his

reddit posts. However, there was

a lot of doxxing going on in

Susan's posts, and the behavior

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account activity

that everyone has come to abhor

in /r/serialpodcast with "leaking"

case documents and doxxing

witnesses or people related to

the case became the norm in the

Bonner sub. Exhibit A will show

you some examples:

http://imgur.com/a/tPYDc

Oh my! Doxxing? Susan? She

wouldn't ask people to do this,

right? Surely she wouldn't

tolerate it? Welp, ya, she did.

And for some reason, she felt

that it was a good idea to share

case files and information with

people she didn't even know

outside of reddit. Like these

members:

http://imgur.com/b6ouf3n

All these people are on the up

and up, right?

Nope.

Turns out that there was a

member in Bonner, who was also

a member in NU, that started to

have some sneaking suspicions

about an infamous

shadowbanned user from

r/serialpodcast. Who remembers

/u/janecc , aka

/u/veganspicegirl , aka

/u/samdolgoff ? The initial

members of NU will remember

that she wasn't missing from

reddit for very long, thanks to

this fun admission:

http://imgur.com/a/cyHio

As I said before, a certain

Bonner, who I'll call Sir

Bonnerite, started becoming

uneasy with Jane's admissions

about socks and servers, and

started to wonder who else she

was masquerading as and why.

Sir Bonner started to wonder if

Jane was acting in some kind of

official capacity and sharing

information with the State of

Maryland. And as such, this

Bonner member reached out to

me and tipped his had a bit to

start asking me what I knew

about Jane, who had turned up

in NU as /u/theodoreadorno .

I had no idea that Jane was a

member anywhere but NU, so

the extent of his concern was

not evident to me. After a brief

exchange of messages, Sir

Bonnerite came back to me with

some disturbing information. Sir

Bonnerite alleged that someone

had done some static IP tracing,

and had tied together the same

static IP address for the following

users, with the date and time

that each account was created:

http://imgur.com/6Hx4zMu

That's quite a list, isn't it? So, Sir

Bonnerite, sent me this

information, and I become

worried, grossed out, and above

all, freaked out that a) someone

might be unhinged enough to be

20+ users and b) is capable of

tracking someone down to the

point of knowing their static IP

address. I started to wonder

who would behave this way, and

why. I wondered if any of it was

true. I started scouring the "bio"

posts in NU to see who claimed

to be what in order to start

connecting the dots to see if

there was any truth to this. And

then I started to wonder what I

should do with this information.

Well, I lost a lot of sleep over it. I

started small. I sent

/u/ViewFromLL2 a PM saying

to be careful what she shared in

the Bonner Sub because of a

rising suspicion about Jane. That

message wasn't well received by

Susan, and I began to wonder if

she already knew what Sir

Bonnerite had said. So then

what? Sir Bonnerite had

messaged me further, saying the

same static IP address had also

been linked to 16 Facebook

accounts, and I had only recently

learned that secret Facebook

group existed. I decided to take

the information I had to the

Mods and /r/NarcoticsUnit. I

didn't want to sound crazy or like

a nut, but there was constant

discussion that there were moles

in NU and that someone was

giving information to hardcore

guilters. So, even though I swore

secrecy to Sir Bonnerite, I

messaged /u/Frosted_Mini-

Wheats and poked around a

bit about Jane. I had no idea that

while this secret Bonner

investigation had been going on

that dear Jane, and her friend,

/u/Compulsivebooknerd had

begun an off-reddit smear

campaign against our mod and

friend, Frosted. Seems that while

someone was thinking that Jane

might be up to no-good on

reddit, she was proving that she

was up to no-good off of reddit,

with some kind of intention of

being a mean girl to FMW. All of

us that were chugging along in

NU didn't know some shady as

crap was happening behind the

scenes, but the Bonner Party

knew. The mods booted Jane,

Compulsive, and FMW, chalking it

up to girl drama. Meanwhile, Jane

decided to carry on with her Wiki

project while being a mean girl,

and finally, the NU mods had

enough of her and booted

/u/theodoreadorno and

/u/compulsivebooknerd from

NU. Harmony again, right?

Seems that things mellowed for a

while, and I sat on my

information from Sir Bonnerite,

even while the mole hunt went

on in NU. Rabia joined reddit

again, Krista joined reddit again,

and before we knew it, our fair

/u/EvidenceProf began testing

the waters of his MVA theory.

That's about the time that

/u/DeleteandDeplete showed

up. See, a former user,

/u/synchrolux came up with

the theory first, pm'd a select

few with the details, then

disappeared. For those of you

who don't know the MVA theory,

just ask EP/Deleteanddeplete.

There is serious evidence out

there that they are one in the

same.

Let's also talk about the NB/Jay

dustup on Facebook. Remember

all the begging and pleading that

/u/Rabiasquared did for a

screenshot of that posting? Our

former friend, u/inspiteofital ,

aka divinehammer, and a few

others, says that

/u/gingercoffee has it. But as

luck would have it, gingercoffee

just doesn't want to give it to

Rabia because??? My guess is

that inspite and ginger are the

same gal, but I don't know for

sure. Rabia, I'd get after

gingercoffee if I were you and get

to the bottom of it.

If you all want to keep drinking

Jane's koolaid, feel free but take

that screenshot of the sock list

with you so that you know which

one of her personalities you are

talking too. As far as the rest of

the finger-pointing goes, Jane's

sock sleuthing post today in TMP

is a glorious work of bullshit. Our

dear friends, /u/In_Theory

and /u/fallaciousconundrum

would love to know that they are

being fingered as

/u/Frosted_Mini-Wheats .

Considering that InTheory is a

real guy with real blog, it's pretty

hilarious, but I'll let him tell you

that he's not Frosted in his own

words.

Shame on all you for the

constant bullshittery and wild

speculation and finger-pointing.

You've all been taken for a ride

by Janecc, the Sybil of Reddit. I

hope she's had a lot of fun along

the way.

u/Alwaysbelagertha , I would

have told you sooner if you had

reached out but the level of

absurdity and non-accuracy in

the sock hunts made it clear to

me that anyone who dare

questioned the mods at TMP

would be banned, booted and

forever linked to socks. You

know I'm a real person, and you

know who I am in real life, so you

will have to decide who you

believe. I'll let you guys have fun

guessing which Bonnerite gave

me the IP trace results.

/u/Deleteanddeplete ...you

sorted by:

were right to be suspicious of

Jane in TMP.

As far as Frosted Mini-Wheats

being all the things she's been

accused of? Everyone who has

participated in that ought to be

ashamed. Turns out a few of us

are brave, and have shared our

real lives with each other. Those

of us who know who Frosted is

in real life and where she was this

summer know that the

accusations lobbed at her not

only ridiculous, but impossible.

Your witch hunt against her is

over, and some of you owe her a

big, fat apology.

You don't have to believe

anything you read here, but I'll

let you know that I'm not

posting this without some other

real, honest and credible reddit

friends backing me up. I'll let

them decide if they want to tag

themselves before I do it.

Doocurly

ETA:* If you are on the sock list

associated with Jane, sorry, this

post ain't for you to air your

grievances. Take it up in another

sub and tell the world who you

are.

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[–] theghostoftexschramm 18 points 1 day ago

Hmmmm.....three of these people in your post sent me IMs in the last 24. Should I be

worried?

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[–] InTheory_ 2 points 8 hours ago

I am not one of those. Was I supposed to? Did I miss a stage queue?

We should have all rehearsed this better. Now I feel left out.

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[–] splanchnick78 19 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

ETA: I deleted this.

ETA: I am un-deleting. Deleteanddeplete is most assuredly not EP.

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[–] Barking_Madness 9 points 1 day ago

FWICT that's a pretty safe bet.

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[–] whitenoise2323 9 points 1 day ago

Yup.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 3 points 1 day ago

Fwiw, I don't believe tha eithert. Deleteanddeplete was recommended for

membership in NU by EP (as were you) as someone who had done some

interesting research. I do not believe EP is any other poster.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 1 point 1 day ago

Some screenshots of PMs I've seen make the case that they are one in the same.

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[–] Barking_Madness 4 points 1 day ago

Will you be posting them?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] -1 points 1 day ago

Meh, I don't think I need to. I'm not in any sub with EP anymore now

that I've been booted from the Program. Apparently, nobody puts

Queen Baby in a corner, so if she wants to work it out, she can. If she

doesn't, who cares? If D&D is really just a super awesome research

assistant who happened to think the same exact MVA theory that

/u/synchrolux and EP have, then chalk it up to coincidence.

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[–] splanchnick78 11 points 1 day ago

Just curious why you think EP would even need a sock?

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[–] LipidSoluble 10 points 20 hours ago

I would assume to help the science be swallowed a lot

easier. The people claiming to have titles in the field have

some hitchy hitchy claims in regards to medicine. Also in

how they cite legal briefs in lieu of peer reviewed evidence

while failing to understand how one medical claim on stand

does not make a citable scientific source.

I watched so many questionable claims pass through as

verified, I eventually gave up pointing out the discrepancies.

But what do I know. I only work for a living, I don't have a

"popular" podcast.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 9 points 13 hours ago

I watched so many questionable claims pass

through as verified,

Oh, I really wish you would expound.

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[–] LipidSoluble 11 points 13 hours ago

I already did until I was blue in the face! To

sum: I don't think science works the way they

say it does.

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[–] ImBlowingBubbles 3 points 9 hours ago

I appreciate your comments and have

respected your debate on the medical

issues.

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[–] LipidSoluble 8 points 7 hours ago

Thank you! I wish the medicine gave

a clearer picture of what happened,

but it just doesn't. That's partly why

I still sit firmly in the undecided

camp. Does that camp still exist

anymore?

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[–] LipidSoluble 11 points 13 hours ago

Okay, I lied. Google mixed lividity, and it will give

you an idea where the term originates, and it's

not from a medical text.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 8 points 12 hours ago

Ha, I don't even have to google. I already

know whos name (blog) I going to see.

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[–] LipidSoluble 11 points 12 hours ago

Name, blog, and Reddit posts that fill

up the entire first page of Google.

No need to look further. The wiki

explanation of an actual medical term

will come up on the first page.

Not like it even takes that much

effort to make up your own wiki

page about it.

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[–] bluekanga 2 points 6 hours ago

Wow I just did - wow!!

Invent a term and away you go

Thx for the insight

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[–] LipidSoluble 4 points 5 hours ago

I can give leeway to EP for not

knowing the proper medical term for

something and naming it something

else, but suddenly there's all these

people that EP referred to the sub

that are supposed pathologists or in

the field, and they're all using the

same bogus medical term.

Are they talking about a varying

pattern of lividity, or petechial

hemorrhages .. I don't know!

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 5 points 15 hours ago

Are you returning from your posting hiatus? Will you

be participating for Season 2? /u/doocurly

mentioned you as someone who spoke out against

the nonsense and it'd be nice to have you guys

returning to the main sub to drown out the trolls (=

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[–] LipidSoluble 9 points 15 hours ago

Maybe! As Doo and company will tell you, I have

very little tolerance for people's nonsense! At

time it feels more like pounding my head against

a brick wall than it does interesting fact-sharing

and discussion.

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[–] YaYa2015 3 points 15 hours ago

I always liked your comments and no-

nonsense approach. Too bad you left, but

I understand.

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[–] LipidSoluble 8 points 15 hours ago

Thank you! When I noticed myself

being caustic and sarcastic more

than I was participating in legitimate

conversation, it was time to move

on! (Until now, and username

mentions).

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 4 points 15hours ago

What YaYa said.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 3 points 1 day ago

I don't know. Ask why D&D showed up when SynchroLux

disappeared. Ask why they claimed ownership to the MVA

theory, and then:

[–]XXXXXXXXX [F] 11 points 5 months ago After all the

recent posts lately, you need to treat me like I'm stupid

and I don't know anything... but are we still sure she was

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[–]EvidenceProfEP [F,S] 11 points 5 months ago Every

medical expert seems convinced that she was strangled.

There's an interesting alternate theory about Hae dying in

a car accident, but I can't get anyone on board with that

theory. It does seem possible, though, that Hae was

injured in a car crash and then strangled.

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[–]XXXXXXX [F] 5 points 5 months ago I had a discussion

about this accident theory yesterday. What would this look

like? Are you assuming she died of the injuries sustained in

the accident, or that she was hit to get access? If it's the

former, why bury her? And for either possibility, why go

through the trouble of fixing a car in a body shop if that

would just get people into more trouble (i.e., charged for

murder instead of accident)? Or are you thinking that this

happened after the car discovery?

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[–]EvidenceProfEP [F,S] 3 points 5 months ago This theory

is still very much a work in progress. I'll let everyone know

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Ask why all the autopsy posts and car posts were leading

to the idea of a MVA accident, and why these three users,

one who disappeared were the only ones who were pushing

it.

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[–] glibly17 14 points 1 day ago

Who knows why??? Who cares why? People delete

reddit handles and get knew ones all the time, for any

and every reason. I deleted my first handle after I'd

had it four years because I was worried about that

amount of info being out there, for instance.

Nothing you've presented or said so far is at all

indicative that EP and D&D are the same person. I'm

chastising myself for saying anything because it's all

so dumb, but you're literally doing exactly what

you've accused others of doing to FMW & other

users. This speculation about socks and bullshit is

just to distract from the actual case and advances

being made. I'm guilty for participating, I know, but

honestly why waste energy with all this bs?

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[–] stop_saying_right 2 points 1 day ago

damn he (EP) is a nut, what an enigma

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[–] glibly17 10 points 1 day ago

Do you reject the possibility that EP may have just seen D&D's

posts on reddit and thought it was an interesting angle to

explore?

Aren't your accusations as bad, or whatever, as what you're

saying everyone did to FMW?

Also: why does it matter even if they are the same person? Are

either reddit handles going around disseminating other redditors'

personal info, doxxing people, whatever?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] -1 points 1 day ago

You're right, there's no one saying that they have definitive

proof that EP and DD are one in the same. Until someone

does post that, it's speculation based on some other

information.

Does that make the accusation bad? Not necessarily.

Everyone is allowed to make other alt users on reddit as

long as they are following reddit's guidelines. What makes

it bad is when they are in fact the same person and are

talking and carrying on whole lines of dialogue with each

other. What makes it bad is when someone is flat out

accusing others of being "moles" or "spies" or having

duplicitous intentions. Do I think it's bad to hang the

laundry on the line to dry today? Nope. If someone has the

balls enough to create a post accusing everyone of being

socks, then pot, meet kettle.

Do you have to like it? Nope. You can feel however about

the post, me or otherwise.

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[–] glibly17 11 points 1 day ago

It's just hypocritical, in my view. But hey. I don't

expect you to care about that.

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[–] Barking_Madness 7 points 1 day ago

So you've released all these screen caps, information

and allegations.You aapparently don't care about the

fall out as this stuff needed saying - but then you

won't go the extra half yard and show the one piece

of iinformation you believe makes the case they are

the the same poster? Instead you say the duty for

others to work it out.

I guess that's your choice, but you should know it

looks poor.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 0 points 1 day

ago

I'm sorry, what fallout exactly? Doesn't seem

there is any.

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[–] Barking_Madness 7 points 1 day ago

Right, so all these replies and people

offering their views based on your claims

are just my imagination then?

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fallout- noun

an unexpected or incidental effect,

outcome, or product: the

psychological fallout of being obese

You'll have to show me where

there's been an incidental effect,

outcome or product produced by

this post. Short of that, it's people

commenting, which doesn't equal

"fallout".

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 23 points 1 day ago

I can at least speak to my experience as a mod on the very first day of TMP. Someone

thought the Jane information was important enough to warn the mods about, and

when I wanted to discuss the allegations and a solution going forward, I was overruled

by alwaysbelagertha and ultimately removed from mod duties for disagreeing. That

approach and attitude was extended to every portion of TMP over time, and long-time

contributors were removed left and right for speaking their minds. The sad part is that

no one could know what was going on unless the booted person went to another

forum to tell everyone what happened. Then they were labelled as pot-stirrers and the

mods would say, "Oh look, see? That person was a problem all along. We made the

right decision."

Sadly, there wasn't any other way to handle being removed other than remaining quiet.

Sound familiar? Does it sound like every other totalitarian dictatorship in history? Yeah,

to me too. Meanwhile, few still inside TMP wanted to speak up even if they didn't agree

with the way things were being handled for fear of being removed themselves.

It's been sad to see the poor leadership at TMP, and even worse to be removed from

the community I've been a part of for so many months for no good reason.

Thanks for bringing all this out into the open, doo. Maybe now we can have a real

conversation about it.

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[–] dukeofwentworth 17 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

It's been sad to see the poor leadership at TMP, and even worse to be

removed from the community I've been a part of for so many months for no

good reason.

Right?

While I have moved on, this post reminds me of the time I was accused of being a

sock for Ghostoftomlandry or whatever. Zero proof, but I was accused just the

same. And when I went public to address it, I had the post removed and received

a PM admonition from the mods (specifically, ABL).

ETA: Following this post, I've been removed from TMP.

ETA: I've been readmitted to TMP.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 12 points 1 day ago

"We don't boot people from TMP because they question us!"- ABL

promptly boots dukeofwentworth from TMP

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[–] wayobsessed 15 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

Also the exact reason why I got booted. "I will be honest with you,

some of your comments on the magnet rang alarm bells for me".

The comment ABL was referring to was me being critical about the

baseless sock accusations flying around all over TMP by the mods.

After explaining my post and how it may have been misconstrued I

was asked to doxx myself in order to get access again. And that

wasn't really worth it for me because I did not see the point. It's okay

to disagree with TMP as long as they know how to find me?

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 8 points 15 hours ago

I'm sorry. I'm sure you know, but you can report the user asking

you to self-dox to Reddit Admin. As /u/swveering said, that is

certainly not cool.

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[–] SWVeering 7 points 19 hours ago

I was asked to doxx myself in order to get access again. And

that wasn't really worth it for me because I did not see the

point. It's okay to disagree with TMP as long as they know

how to find me?

Yikes. THAT is not cool.

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[–] jjungsch 8 points 1 day ago

Wow that is a clear signal for no one else to speak up, what a shame. Sorry

you had to deal with that kind of stuff.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 6 points 1 day ago

And you actually want back in?

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[–] reddit1070 2 points 11 hours ago

Haha :)

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[–] flwrsme 8 points 1 day ago

TMP = Korea!

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[–] MightyIsobel 2 points 1 day ago

Hey, a lot of people think Korea is a nice place

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[–] ricejoe 4 points 1 day ago

Well, the part below the DMZ.

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[–] stop_saying_right 4 points 1 day ago

An important distinction!

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[–] MightyIsobel 2 points 1 day ago

You can say that again

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[–] stop_saying_right 2 points 1 day ago

An important distinction!

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[–] MightyIsobel 3 points 1 day ago

This thread feels kind of like a DMZ.

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[–] whitenoise2323 4 points 1 day ago

A TMZ DMZ.

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[–] reddit1070 3 points 11 hours ago

This thread feels kind of like a

DMZ.

Haha :)

Looks like you all had a lot of fun

yesterday. I missed it.

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[–] stop_saying_right 2 points 1 day ago

Ha, true!

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[–] flwrsme 4 points 1 day ago

Im sure they do. I was just trying to be funny. =)

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[–] InTheory_ 8 points 1 day ago

ETA: Following this post, I've been removed from TMP.

That's impossible. They don't ban people for that. I know this because

they've told us so at every opportunity.

Each day, fewer and fewer people are left over there to repeat the mantra of

"No, people don't get banned for that." And each day, there are more and

more people saying, "Actually, yes they do!"

At what point do we realize that the number of people coming forward citing

hypocrisy is outnumbering the people denying it?

For anyone reading this who is out of the loop, I can personally vouch that

duke was anything but a dissident.

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[–] YaYa2015 6 points 1 day ago

Duke just got re-admitted!

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[–] LIL_CHIMPY 3 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 22 hours ago)

I spied /u/dukeofwentworth conspiring with the forces of Darkness to

bewitch poor innocent Adnangail. /u/Goody_Proctor was there as well.

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[–] SWVeering 2 points 19 hours ago

ETA: I've been readmitted to TMP.

Hi Duke - long time! Still a member?

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[–] dukeofwentworth 4 points 18 hours ago

lol...

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[–] YaYa2015 6 points 18 hours ago

Weird, if you click on SWVeering you get "page not found".

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 6 points 17 hours ago

Welp, /u/SWVeering was shadowbanned! 3 guesses

why...

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[–] InTheory_ 5 points 16 hours ago

I guess we have our response from the mods. What

did they do? Throw every name they had at the

admins and hoped something stuck? The number of

wrong accusations by them is truly astounding.

As the title of the post says, "shoot everyone and

assume you killed the one who wronged you."

If they're going to try to get people shadowbanned, it

makes it real hard for anyone to just walk away. It

sucks the very people who are trying to get away

from all of it right back into it. Classic TMP move. Drag

them back in, then ascribe motives of pettiness

afterwards.

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[–] SWVeering 11 points 19 hours ago

It's been sad to see the poor leadership at TMP, and even worse to be

removed from the community I've been a part of for so many months for no

good reason.

Late to the party as per usual but I guess here is as good a place as any in this

thread to start.

FWIW and for anyone who cares to listen, Tup_Beresford's story is basically my

story also. I was removed from TMP and was told by /u/alwaysbelagertha that

it was because FrostedMiniWheats had "harassed her" on a thread in

SerialDiscussion and because I was a former NU Mod apparently that equalled a

"conflict of interest" (WTF?!) I asked her not to include me in her personal

drama's with other Redditors and then she told me my banning had also to do

with a snarky comment I supposedly made about her. I couldn't remember ever

saying anything snarky to her so I asked TMP friends to check my posting history

and they couldn't find a single thing. I asked ABL several times to remind me of

the "snarky comment" on TMP but she never produced anything because quite

frankly, it doesn't exist there.

No chance to pled my case. No acknowledgement of the help I offered and gave

when TMP was established. I'm also another one that warned ABL about the Sock

Situation which she obviously ignored. Yet apparently TMP's ongoing mole woes

have everything to do with other Redditors and nothing to do with her decision to

disregard the many warnings she received.

Being cut off from a community that I was part of and enjoyed for so long, for

want of a better word, sucks. It's both sad and hilarious that ABL can't see the

hypocrisy in her actions.

TL;DR - yet another person with a hurt butt.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 7 points 15 hours ago

Why don't all the banned tmp people just start another sub?

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[–] InTheory_ 8 points 15 hours ago

You mean revive NU with members who are all banned from TMP?

Already done. The TMP mods tried to get the Reddit admins to forcibly

take control of the sub. They felt it was "theirs"

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 6 points 15 hours ago

whaaat. man you guys were very legitimately harassed. So sorry.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 8 points 1 day ago

You're welcome Tupp. My intention was to show that the mass-hysteria and

finger-pointing was not only wrong, but that all the warning signs right in front of

their faces was being missed. The contradictions in values was extraordinary with

the constant allegations of doxxing, but no real questioning the ethics if it was

done by someone on Team Good Guys. The constant allegations of sock puppetry

and heinous behavior was embarrassing, especially considering that more and

more socks kept sliding under the door at TMP. Show your proof, Magnets. Put

up or shut up.

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[–] julieannie 12 points 1 day ago

I was a little miffed when the mass booting happened from both subs but now I feel like

I was lucky to miss out on all of this. I really don't understand why everyone keeps

using coded language though. Just say what you mean and be who you are. This is why

I'm a lurker now.

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[–] MrsTiggyWiggy 15 points 1 day ago

I hate myself for not documenting all the drama associated with serialpodcast and

writing a social psychology article.

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[–] bluekanga 8 points 1 day ago

Me 2 - today on serialpodcast…..

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[–] cross_mod 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it is incredibly entertaining at least...

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[–] MrsTiggyWiggy 3 points 12 hours ago

704 comments! There aren't many threads about the actual case that got

this much commentary.

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[–] TheFraulineS 6 points 1 day ago

No kidding! I was seriously entertaining the thought, if I could just scratch the

topic of my dissertation to change it into something about this reddit

phenomenon in general.

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[–] MrsTiggyWiggy 6 points 1 day ago

And it would be so publishable! The media loves talking about reddit.

Every time the secret subs, the sock puppets, the doxxing comes along--I

think "darn it, I should have been documenting this but too late now". And,

then something else happens!

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[–] TheFraulineS 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah :( it's impossible to create a coherent and truthfull picture with all

these conspiracy theories and the deceit....

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 5 points 1 day ago* (las t edited

1 day ago)

Like I, with all my allegedly insidery sockery information, haven't been trying

to get a grant for months!

I hope no one will assume you are me or I am you since I dared to respond

to a nasty, quilter sort of redditor like you :/

BTW, I saw a post where you used frëmdschamen the other day. Learned

that word from a German friend - it's so useful! And applies so often here

on reddit.

ETA a comma

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[–] TheFraulineS 9 points 1 day ago

Hehe, Fremdschämen is an awesome term ;)

Any hope that one of you guys will share the audio files of all the police

interviews with a "nasty, quilter sort of redditor" like me? I know of at

least one member who has definitely listened to them, who is not part

of ASLT.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 7 points 1 day

ago

I do not have access. I am, per alwaysbelagertha (aka Queen

Baby) and her minions, a nasty guilter sock troll. There's plenty

of other somewhat interesting stuff from NU I could have shared

during these last 5 or 6 months but I haven't in spite of being

the most evil guilter trollmole ever. In fact, there were never any

leaks out of NarcoticsUnit. Those didn't start until Queen Baby

took over. Oh wait...I feel a leap to a conclusion coming on...

alwaysbelagertha is the TMP mole! :/

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[–] MrsTiggyWiggy 7 points 1 day ago

Have you read "When Prophecy Fails?" by Festinger? A group of social

psychologists infiltrate a doomsday cult and document what happens

when the prophesied apocalypse never happens. The book is great but

one of the major criticisms is that so many social psychologists

infiltrated the group that it was basically 50% researchers and 50%

real cult members.

If I reviewed your grant, you'd be bank.

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[–] ricejoe 8 points 1 day ago

Great story. I read once that at one point (the 1960s?)

undercover FBI agents were a significant proportion of KKK

membership. Everybody, however, knew who they were, because

they actually paid their dues.

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[–] StraightTalkExpress 6 points 1 day ago

Haha, similar deal with the communist party in the USA.

By the mid-1950s, membership of Communist Party USA

had slipped from its 1944 peak of around 80,000[42] to an

active base of approximately 5,000.[43] Some 1,500

of these "members" were FBI informants.[44]

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[–] LIL_CHIMPY 3 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 14 hours ago)

Likewise, 48 Hours/Dateline/et al. have persuaded me

that a contract killing is an agreement reached

between a disgruntled, middle-aged man and an FBI

agent in the parking lot of a suburban strip mall, the

result of which is completely at odds with the

intended purpose of murdering an ex-wife.

And don't even get me started on 14-year-old

internet Lolita's with spacious kitchens and minimal

parental supervision -- /u/janecc 's pathetic

attempts at sockery tremble before the mighty Chris

Hansen ...

edit: needed an adjective

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[–] Seamus_Duncan 3 points 18 hours ago

Klan Rally 70 Per Cent Undercover Reporters.

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[–] ricejoe 3 points 18 hours ago

Love it. So funny on so many levels.

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[–] whitenoise2323 2 points 1 day ago

So it was just the FBI and cops, huh..

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[–] stop_saying_right -1 points 1 day ago

Lost?

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[–] ScoutFinch2 24 points 1 day ago

For all that you all criticize us (guilters), I can honestly say we don't have none of this

shit going on.

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 16 points 1 day ago

Remember that one time someone posted something that not all of us agreed

with and we politely agreed to disagree but thanked them for the effort? Wild

times.

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[–] whitenoise2323 11 points 1 day ago

Sounds really similar to the first time the MVA theory came up in Bonner.

Except "not all of us" was "none of us".

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[–] ADDGemini 8 points 1 day ago

What is the MVA theory if you don't mind me asking.

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[–] ImBlowingBubbles 3 points 1 day ago

I was wondering this same thing

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[–] whitenoise2323 14 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

Motor Vehicle Accident theory. Someone popped up saying

that Stephanie hit Hae's car and killed her by accident and

hyped it hard saying that it made all of the weird puzzling

aspects of the case make sense. It was brought up in

Bonner and everyone was like... um.. I guess that's

interesting but here's 10 ways it makes no sense at all.

There is an unsubstantiated claim that this was Evidence

Prof's pet theory. I have no idea why people think that.

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[–] ADDGemini 5 points 1 day ago

Thank you

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 6 points 1 day ago

Appreciate the clarification. Ive been doing a ton of

weird acronym guessing.

Most Valuable Athlete?

Manual Vacuum Aspiration?

Music Video Award?

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[–] bluekanga 4 points 1 day ago

Most valuable asset

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Thanks.

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[–] flwrsme 13 points 1 day ago

Right?? Im reading this like holly fuck! And then hoping to not see anyone like you

or SD or JWI mentioned in this fuckery... and no one is.

IDK.. if the "innocent" camp needs to go thru all this just to prove innocence, I

would stop trying to smear the state and BPD for the exact stuff they are doing.

SS should be ashamed of herself.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 9 points 1 day ago

And then hoping to not see anyone like you or SD or JWI mentioned in

this fuckery... and no one is.

I wasn't worried about it for a second.

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 10 points 1 day ago

Maybe we should get together and do a trade. Anything you guys want to unload

in exchange for taking this bullshit off our hands?

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[–] ScoutFinch2 13 points 1 day ago

Not a chance.

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[–] bluekanga 10 points 1 day ago

seconded!! too good to watch

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I don't blame you.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 7 points 1 day ago

Me either . . .

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[–] ScoutFinch2 9 points 1 day ago

You can still turn away from the dark and come into the

light, peymax.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 7 points 1 day ago

Ha - I can't do it.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 3 points 1 day ago

Well you can't say I haven't tried. I still like you

peymax.

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And I you, Ms. Finch.

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 4 points 1 day ago

We actually have a whole different vocabulary for

that.

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[–] Mrs_Direction 5 points 1 day ago

Care to share? Is it something negative to

shame those who change their opinion?

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 2 points 1 day ago

Just a "light/dark"/"dark/light" joke.

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[–] budgiebudgie 1 point 1 day ago

Please, Scout. I'm begging you. We can do a swap at midnight on a

bridge somewhere.

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[–] ricejoe 5 points 1 day ago

Glienicke bridge in Berlin is a good location.

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[–] LIL_CHIMPY 3 points 12 hours ago

There's a mole right at the top of TMP. He's been there for

years ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW-F1H-Nonk

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[–] ricejoe 4 points 12 hours ago

[–] ricejoe 4 points 12 hours ago

You got it, chimpy!

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[–] budgiebudgie 2 points 1 day ago

Glienicke bridge in Berlin is a good location.

Precisely the spot I had in mind.

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[–] julieannie 10 points 1 day ago

I suppose you don't quite have the socking going on but there's some people

who have conspiracy theories and a heightened sense of self-importance on that

side of the aisle. I used to be part of TMP/NU but didn't participate enough and

got booted so I missed all this stuff. The guilters seem content to put it all on the

main sub while the other side seems to hide some of their crazier moments a little

better. Both sides and their drama are the reason I switched to lurker only.

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[–] Sophiawithin 7 points 1 day ago

The other side saves their crazy stuff for their podcasts.

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[–] chunklunk 14 points 1 day ago

Guilty as charged on the self-importance front. I AM SUPER IMPORTANT.

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[–] whitenoise2323 1 point 1 day ago

I believe that you believe that.

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[–] MightyIsobel 9 points 1 day ago

while the other side seems to hide some of their crazier moments a little

better

you don't say

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[–] TheFraulineS 12 points 1 day ago

btw, full body tinfoil wrap-meeting in 15 minutes

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[–] orangetheorychaos 6 points 1 day ago

Yea!

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 4 points 1 day

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It's not a body wrap! You have to have a tinfoil canoe, to row

down Dead Run creek and gather rocks.

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[–] Seamus_Duncan 13 points 1 day ago

I know right? I like all of the guilters, except for /u/chunklunk . Asshole.

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[–] TheFraulineS 10 points 1 day ago

Yankee!

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[–] Seamus_Duncan 7 points 1 day ago

You can shove that negativity straight into your pointy hat!

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[–] TheFraulineS 7 points 1 day ago

Haha, I thought I was a Hun to you?! Liar! Get the hat right or

else....!

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[–] chunklunk 11 points 1 day ago

Silence or I will reveal all our secrets!!!

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[–] ricejoe 17 points 1 day ago

NOT THE HANDSHAKE!!!!!!!

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[–] beenyweenies -2 points 1 day ago

Silence or I will reveal all our secrets!!!

What, that you're the same person?

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[–] chunklunk 13 points 1 day ago

Lame attempt to turn the tables, when TMP's Sock Puppet

Theater today has been such a smashing success. This

bloodbath is like the end of Hamlet. Or maybe more like the end

of Dead Alive. Who knows? But this shit is fun.

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[–] Aktow 12 points 1 day ago

Lame is right......me think they doth protest too much. I

mean, their endless allegations of puppetry has become

idiotic.

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[–] chunklunk 21 points 1 day ago

I know, it's like, no matter how accurate doocurly's

list is (and the funny thing is it doesn't even scratch

the surface of all the summer/mutton socks, which

still persist and plague the dark sub), you have janecc

actually admitting to mass sockhood and seemingly

vowing to keep it up using tor browsers and paid-for

IP masking tech, posting a ban-evasion FAQ and shit.

That alone is totally nuts!!! I would deserve to get my

head examined if I did any of that to post on these

dumb subs as chunkysockmonkey51535 or whatever.

I mean, it's incredible -- WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE

DOING? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY

CAN'T YOU JUST DISCUSS THE CASE LIKE NORMAL

PEOPLE?

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[–] Aktow 11 points 1 day ago

No, they can't. The vast difference in the quality

of writing and substance is where the problem

lies. Guilters just happen to have a loaded

roster with a helluva bullpen to boot.....and it

infuriates them

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 7 points 1 day

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Right? To brag about how you are socking

around but then deny it? So. fucking. weird.

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[–] chunkysockmonkey5153 3 points 1 day ago

I would deserve to get my head examined if I

did any of that to post on these dumb subs

as chunkysockmonkey51535 or whatever.

Too late bitch!

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[–] ADDGemini 6 points 1 day ago

How the hell did that just happen? Isn't

there like a 3 day wait to post?

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[–] orangetheorychaos 7 points 1 dayago

Ha Ha!. How amazing would it be if

this was a coincidence of all

coincidences?! I'd still laugh if

someone made that sock just to

make that joke at the right

opportunity.

Eta: Oh my god it really might be

just a coincidence. It's only a

number off

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[–] Mustanggertrude 4 points 1 day ago

that's only in the big house.

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[–] Acies I'm fairly glad he doxxed himself

[-2] 2 points 1 day ago

That's exclusive to /r/serialpodcast

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[–] TheFraulineS 6 points 1 day ago

Wrong numbers!

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 6 points 1 day ago

What a piece of work is a sock, how fatuous in reason, how

infinite in duplicity...

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[–] beenyweenies 0 points 1 day ago

Bullshit the DS is chock-full of socks.

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[–] donailin1 5 points 1 day ago

What is DS?

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[–] bluekanga 5 points 1 day ago

Dark Sub i.e. the Main Sub

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[–] whitenoise2323 9 points 1 day ago

Since we're being weirdly honest and non-partisan (sort of) in

this thread can I just say that I have always hated the term

"dark sub"?

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 10 points 1 day ago

You are fired from TMP for expressing that opinion.

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[–] whitenoise2323 4 points 17 hours ago

I'm still there. I guess it didn't matter.

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[–] bluekanga 5 points 23 hours ago

AFAIK it always used to be referred to as the the Main

Sub - and it's a reflection of the hostility on SP IMO

that allowed it to become to the norm.

So unless we collectively get a grip and tone me down

the hostilities, I guess it will remain.

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 4 points 17 hours ago

You are also fired.

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[–] bluekanga 5 points 17 hours ago

Thank God! ;)

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[–] ImBlowingBubbles 1 point 43 minutes ago

Why can't we just call it the Yellow Sub?

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[–] donailin1 4 points 1 day ago

wow, I'm embarrassed. I truly am out of the loop.

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but they're not at war with each other; they at least have the good

sense to hate a common enemy.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 4 points 1 day ago

Doocurly was a cheerleader for hating on the DS but I guess the

enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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[–] chunklunk 11 points 1 day ago

Right, summer's socks, janecc's socks, etc...

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[–] chunklunk 13 points 1 day ago

I knew it!

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[–] TheFraulineS 10 points 1 day ago

Popcorn time!

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[–] chunklunk 9 points 1 day ago

I am literally eating popcorn as we speak.

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[–] Aktow 8 points 1 day ago

Like MJ in Thriller?

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[–] chunklunk 10 points 1 day ago

YES!

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[–] TrunkPopPop 1 point 1 day ago

http://i.imgur.com/ht3mkda.gifv

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[–] segovius 6 points 1 day ago

Me too

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 5 points 1 day ago

Just curious...which part?

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[–] segovius 14 points 1 day ago

That TMP was/is full of socks.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 8 points 1 day ago

Sadly, yes. Quite the puppet show it would seem. Let them

figure out why, I guess.

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[–] segovius 12 points 1 day ago

Yes, there are decent people there and that's good but

they forget to factor in one thing, they are dealing

peripherally with un-decent people.

There's a Sufi saying that goes something like "If you pick

up a bee due to kindness, you will learn the limitations of

kindness."

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[–] dukeofwentworth 4 points 1 day ago

There's a Sufi saying that goes something like "If

you pick up a bee due to kindness, you will learn

the limitations of kindness."

I like this!

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 4 points 1 day ago

Interesting response from segovius. While TMP might be full of socks,

what is and always has been wrong is that those socks are me or

anyone associated with me. It seems like a stroke of genius for ABL to

accuse me of being those socks (external threat creates internal

cohesion, yeah?) - creating a bond in TMP, whose members already

reviled me for "killing" NarcoticsUnit (which I never actually did, just

curated the membership a bit more thoughtfully). I don't think it was

ABL being a sociological genius but ABL being led around by the nose

by the true queen of socks.

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[–] timdragga 13 points 1 day ago

So I did get removed from NU! This is all about me!

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( -3 points

1 day ago

It is about you! I am starting a new subreddit right now so

that all my minions and I can talk about how you are to

blame for everything - including global warming.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 6 points 1 day ago

And ISIS.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 12 points 1 day ago

Oh, so you didn't shut NU down, you just excluded a ton of

people, including people like me who weren't socks but weren't

deemed worthy of inclusion.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 1 point 1

day ago

Exactly, peymax. As much as some people don't like it - my

sub, my choice. You spent 90% of your time on the "vent"

thread anyway, complaining about the Dark Sub that you

couldn't stay off of (because you like arguing?). What

exactly did you contribute to NU? You have access to the

entire database of everything that was ever posted on NU

(which was posted to a google drive with no password

protection and the url handed out on TMP like Halloween

candy, including to the alleged socks). NU was my idea, it

wasn't intellectual property of The Bonner Party, and when

I chose smart, productive redditors to go forward with you

weren't invited. Be butt-hurt or get over it. Makes no

difference to me.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 15 points 1 day ago

Thanks for reinforcing my opinion of you. I'm glad to

know I wasn't wrong.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( -5 points 1 day ago

Lol, you're cute.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 10

points 1 day ago

And you're nuts.

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[–] LipidSoluble 6 points 15 hours ago

Nuts for what exactly? Shutting

down a subreddit that had become

toxic - yes, the entire subreddit, not

shunting people off fractions at a

time with finger pointing and

accusations?

Cutting the strings of the entire sub

because people started to get nasty

-without bias- is exactly what a sane

person does.

The 4 months of private messages

that I've received (despite the fact

that I quit as a mod over there a

long time ago) from people who have

gotten banned or accused of

sockpuppety, spying, differing

opinions trying to plea their cases or

ask what they did wrong? That's

what's nuts.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( -3 points 1

day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

My what?

ETA oh that jerk peymax. S/he

knows damn well s/he posted Your

nuts. Then s/he edited it and ruined

my joke. Fucking reddit. Fucking

Internet. Fucking private sub

followers ;)

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[–] cbr1965 8 points 1 day ago

Wow, Frosted, glad to see you are still around. I think

the biggest question was what happened, not that

you didn't have the right to do it. Some of us were

actually worried about you because it closed so

abruptly.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 2 points 1 day ago

Hey, cbr, thanks for your message. I've spent

the last few months on a beautiful coast

somewhere pissing away a big bonus check :)

I appreciate that some were concerned about

me and I understand why many were angry. I

can't fix anything now but I hope someone gets

to the bottom of the crazy in the Syed case.

Keep up the good fight. I'm using my special

sleuthy skills strictly to earn a living these days

but I'm always cheering you on!

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[–] cbr1965 5 points 1 day ago

We should all be so lucky with the beach

and bonus check but, seriously, glad all is

well in your world!

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 4 points 1

day ago

Yes, everyone should be rewarded

for their hard work with money and a

long vacation! There's no luck

involved. I hope all is well with you

too.

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[–] beenyweenies 12 points 1 day ago

Wow that's interesting. I was always courteous and

friendly with you, and I thought I contributed to the

discussion pretty well. I even PM'd you about the

closure and you never let on. All this time I was just

banned?

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 3 points 1 day ago

No one was banned ever except for 2 users

and, if you were in NU,you know who those

folks were. You were uninvited along with a lot

of other people. I remember you posting

occasionally. I remember talking with you about

messages we got from the MVA theorist. I am

sorry if people's feelings are hurt because they

were uninvited. You all got a new sub with a

moderator that Susan Simpson chose. I gave

access to NU to a couple of former members so

they could get their posts. They managed to

get (and publish) everything that was ever

posted on NU. I don't expect nor am I asking

anyone to understand why ai did what I did.

What flummoxes me is why, 6 months later, is

it still a big fucking deal? I'm a bitch who only

wanted a couple of dozen people in my private

sub. You all got a new sub with a moderator

everyone loves and access to everything from

NU. What's the problem?

If you decided to create a private sub and only

include your best buds, you wouldn't invite me

would you? But you and others think you have

the right to rake me over the coals for deciding

who I want to reddit with.

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[–] beenyweenies 18 points 1 day ago

Woah easy there, I'm not raking ANYONE

over the coals. Just reacting to this new

information.

In terms of creating a private sub for you

and your friends, have at it. Who's

arguing that? But when it starts off as a

much broader effort, and suddenly you

decide to clean house and destroy the

whole thing over personal issues, don't

expect everyone who contributed to be

perfectly cool with it.

You say a few people were given access,

well good for THEM. Everyone else lost

every ounce of effort that went into that

sub - those posts are GONE, can't be

searched, no longer part of the record.

You basically forced everyone to start over

RATHER THAN just handing NU to

someone else within the group and

starting a new private sub.

I guess the problem is evident - you saw it

as YOUR sub, not OUR sub.

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[–] ginabmonkey 19 points 1 day ago*(las t edited 9 hours ago)

Edit to add that I can no longer

post in this sub, so any replies to

comments I've made in this thread

will likely not result in a reply from

me unless done privately.

I agree very much with

/u/beenyweenies here about this.

I had just begun to get comfortable

with being a member in the NU sub

and actually post questions and

thoughts about the case there when

it was shut down without any

warning or communication. It would

have been nice to have gotten a fair

warning that the sub owner was

wanting to scale it down to only

those she had bonded with and

given the rest of us an opportunity

to ask about the possibility of

leaving the NU sub as it was and

creating a new one instead of just

kicking most of us out without

access to our posts or comments, or

to at least have time to do

something with our own posts to

save them. The archive TMP ended

up with is almost useless.

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[–] julieannie 18 points 1 day ago

I think part of the issue was your lack of

ability to communicate or to communicate

without hostility. You also saw a private

community as something you owned

rather than a community and

collaboration. The reason people still care

all this time later is because you failed to

communicate what you did and why you

did it.

You mismanaged a community from the

get-go (inviting people you didn't want or

allowing others to do it) and now you

want to yell at people about it who did

nothing wrong except get invited and then

kicked out by you. Actions have

consequences. That's life.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( -5 points 1

day ago

Hi julieannie, redditor of three years

with your total of 5 posts in

NarcoticsUnit and two posts ever on

Serialpodcast.

My mom ( who is truly brilliant) gave

me some great advice about getting

along in the world years ago

(probably before you were even

born) - don't offer advice unless it is

requested. I am fairly certain I never

asked you to weigh in on what I did

wrong or right as I don't even recall

ever seeing your /u/.

I am interested though, how many

communities have you founded and

managed? When it's at least one,

let's talk.

And yes, actions have consequences

- but there's reddit and there's life.

Perhaps you should get a clue about

the difference, julieannie. I'm not

yelling at anyone - except you, of

course

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[–] segovius 4 points 1 day ago

I hope you know I'm not calling you on that or accusing you of

being a sock FMW.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 2 points 1

day ago

Thanks Segovius. I really am not certain what I know.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 5 points 1 day ago

Let them all tizzy about now. I have no intention of arguing with

anyone, and they can take away what they want from the post

(not meaning Segovius, but the rest of them). Seems most

enjoy being there for venting and talking shit, anyway.

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[–] glibly17 6 points 1 day ago

Just a small point--you told me that you shut the sub down.

Which I guess makes sense to say to those you "curate" out of

membership, but it was still a shitty thing to do with no warning.

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[–] LipidSoluble 9 points 14 hours ago

See, the thing is, the sub WAS shut down, and possibly

temporarily. While it was shut down, the mods of NU

communicated with the mods of TMP so that everyone

could be told what happened. TMP agreed to operate until

NU possibly came back up. This is all well and good. Lines

of communication were open, and FMW let people in to

grab their own posts.

Except that people started slinging shit, the entirety of

every post was copied down and reported in a public area,

people started raining hell down on FMW's head for trying

to weed out the socks (raining down on her head all while

reasonlessly banning hoards of people from TMP for being

suspected spies/socks), all while a small group of people in

NU dug through everything trying to figure out where it all

went wrong and get back on track.

FMW locking the sub was not the problem. Were the

participants of TMP sane, level-headed people, NU would

have been able to root out the original problem of jane

socks and reopen the doors.

The problem was the vitriol, paranoia, underhanded tactics,

rumor-mongering, and public sharing of private information

that happened afterward, all shots fired from the bow of

TMP. Were I FMW (and I'm not before the accuations of

sockpuppetry start flying in my direction), faced with such

childish behavior, I would have said "screw you" and kept

the sub shut down too.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 2 points 1

day ago

Absolutely entitled to your own opinion, glibly. For a brief

moment, NU was actually shut down except for mods. Then

/u/whentheworldscollide and /u/readybrek reached

out to me, concerned about access to their own posts. I

said ok, come on in and get your posts. I hadn't really

thought about that but I should have. I was booted from

The Bonner Party because of bullshit drama and lost access

to my posts, like the one about Jay talking about Adnan

"acting like" he was carrying Hae's handbag, prancing

around and being silly, the one about whether Hae had an

active pager when she died, and the first comment ever,

anywhere about whether the detectives might have done a

data dump on some towers that might have led them to

Adnan and Jay. I had some empathy - sucks to lose your

own posts. What then happened was that someone gave

out their password and anyone who cared to could stroll

into NU and tab anything. Not a problem even then until

/u/lipidsoluble revealed the entirety of NU had been

copied to a Google drive with no password protection and

the URL handed out like Halloween candy on TMP. I posted

fucking private information there as did many others and

didn't appreciate it being shared with the world at large.

Frankly I don't care that you think I did something shitty. I

think a lot of y'all have done way shittier things since and ai

can't imagine you give a flying fuck what I think.

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[–] whitenoise2323 7 points 1 day ago

If you want your posts from Bonner I can PM them to

you. You never asked for access to those.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks but no. Lost interest ages ago.

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[–] glibly17 2 points 1 day ago

True. I don't care what you think, or anyone else. All

this drama is fascinating though. I could never

imagine reddit infringing on my meatspace life in this

way.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 1 point 1 day ago

It's fascinating in an academic sort of way for a

social scientisty sort of person like me. I'm not

sure what meatspace means but reddit has no

impact on my real life. I summered on the coast

and spent months without ever looking at

reddit. But when I start seeing /u/ mentions

and jackass accusations of sock puppetry, I'm

going to speak up. I think all but about 14

people involved in serial-reddit land are batshit

crazy and regret that I was involved. While I

don't care what you think though, I don't count

you among the purely crazy :)

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[–] slapplesauced 12 points 1 day ago

Booted member of TMP and Bonner here. Nothing to say but that this is a beautiful

shitshow.

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 5 points 1 day ago

What'd you do?

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[–] slapplesauced 11 points 1 day ago

Lurked too much, allegedly.

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[–] Kforstmosaics 9 points 1 day ago

I was booted from TMP for lurking too! And my rebuttal that actually

someone who posts a lot could be a sock puppet as well as a lurker fell

on deaf ears. There was some major paranoia goin round.

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[–] slapplesauced 9 points 1 day ago

In my case they said lurking when it was probably more as

retaliation for something someone else did. It was alarmingly

petty. But yeah, paranoia abounds in that sub. And you're totally

right that active users in there are just as likely to be socks as

the lurkers are.

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es 5 points 1 day ago

Lurked

You lurk like that , they put you in jail. Right away.

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[–] slapplesauced 3 points 1 day ago

The truth of the matter is that I was jailed for charging too high

prices for sweaters and glasses.

And undercooking fish.

I have no regrets.

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[–] ADDGemini 2 points 1 day ago

:D

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[–] bluekanga 9 points 1 day ago

Do we get to choose who to ban?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 5 points 1 day ago

Choose whatever you want in your own sub. Reddit is one, big Choose-Your-

Own-Adventure book. Choose wisely.

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[–] bluekanga 8 points 1 day ago

Can you do this every week - sort of spectator event?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 10 points 1 day ago

Sorry, I'm afraid I don't have much else aside from gossip.

Additionally, after being told that people don't get booted from

/r/TheMagnetProgram for questioning with the mods, I was booted

from /r/TheMagnetProgram for questioning with the mods. Hard to

believe, right? I won't be privy to any more posts from

/u/theodoreadorno wildly pointing fingers at anyone and everyone

of being a sock of /u/chunklunk and /u/frosted_mini-wheats .

God forbid anyone question the validity of her posts in there, though.

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[–] bluekanga 11 points 1 day ago

Sounds like Big Brother - or Big Sister!!

Well we could meet for a weekly gossip - thing is I hate to spill

the beans - I don't know any Quilter socks - they're all real

people AFAIK - bound together in a common focus - the truth.

And it's great getting to know them as individuals and working

together on stuff - nice atmosphere.

So spill the beans - what's this thing with HarleyQuinn that the

socks (?) reacted to

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 11 points 1 day ago

I have no idea what the deal was with harleyquinn aside

from that user being fingered as everyone ABL didn't like.

I'm sure that now that this has happened, I'm really

harleyquinn, which is impossible, because I'm really Frosted

Mini-Wheats, who is really Justwonderinif, who is really Jay

(or Urick) who is really the person who kidnapped Hae and

took her back to Korea and put a body in her stead

knowing that no DNA would be tested against her family

members when they found said body. Basically, I'm in a

relationship with reddit and it's complicated.

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[–] bluekanga 7 points 1 day ago

So who's in TMP then apart from the socks?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 7 points 1 day

ago

Colonel Mustard, Mrs. Peacock, Miss Scarlett,

Mrs. White, Mr. Green, Professor Plum and Mr.

Body.

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[–] bluekanga 7 points 1 day ago

chicken ;)

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 6

points 1 day ago

That was sarcasm, not chickenism,

because who knows? I never took

inventory of who was in there. The

bloggers are there, the mods are

there, and a bunch of other people

who like the bloggers.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 10

points 1 day ago

Actually, go to

/r/theundisclosedpodcast and look

for "bravo!" and "well said". That's

probably the easiest way to find

TMP's users.

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[–] dcrizoss 3 points 1 day ago

You got a letter and you got a letter and

you got a letter...

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[–] chunklunk 5 points 1 day ago

Someone needs to set up a bracket. Or a Thunderdome.

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[–] bluekanga 3 points 1 day ago

What and put them all in it?

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[–] chunklunk 9 points 1 day ago

Well, looks like there would only be one or two actual people.

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[–] bluekanga 2 points 1 day ago

LOL!! True :D

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[–] whitenoise2323 8 points 1 day ago

jane vs. une in the final battle.

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[–] bluekanga 6 points 1 day ago

But who is Jane - I know of Une and know they are

real - but Jane - anyone know them??

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[–] whitenoise2323 4 points 1 day ago

I have moderately good reason to believe Jane

is a real human being. I'm not going to

elaborate.

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[–] SWVeering 1 point 19 hours ago

I have moderately good reason to

believe Jane is a real human being.

Me also. And if she is who I am told she is

then HOLY SHIT. This all goes way way

deeper than any of us.

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[–] whitenoise2323 1 point 17 hours ago

The real human being I'm aware of is

not super nefarious. Someone on

here with a penchant for drama

might be playing up Jane's back-

story out of paranoia or just the

entertainment of it all. But I guess

anything is possible.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 6 points 1

day ago

Doocurly knows all of them.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 7 points 1

day ago

Huge difference between knowing them

and knowing of them.

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[–] Seamus_Duncan 2 points 1 day ago

With seeding.

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[–] Jefferson_Arbles 19 points 1 day ago

This seems like a weird attempt to admonish reddit drama by dumping on a bunch more

reddit drama.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] -1 points 1 day ago

I like how it's drama, when it's happening to Magnets, but it's standard operating

procedure and research when it's happening to anyone else.

Tell me Jefferson, were you equally as compelled to comment on the "drama"

posted in all of the sock theory posts in TMP?

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[–] Jefferson_Arbles 12 points 1 day ago

Yep, I do comment in discussions in TMP if I have a suspicion someone

might be a sock, or if I feel like I may have some sort of insight to add to a

discussion about socks. I also comment if I don't think someone is a sock

when it's theorized. As I'm sure people in other subs probably do in their

subs. I don't take any issue with people discussing or speculating who they

think might be socks on either side...and I don't take take issue with you

doing it either. What I think is disappointing is how you chose to do it. You

just dropped a bunch of accusations (that very well may be true, I have no

idea) in a public forum for anyone to see. If you were concerned that people

in TMP were being dupped by a single user, you could have brought those

concerns to the people there. But you didn't, you put them somewhere you

knew would cause even more drama between people. Which is fine, just be

honest what your motivations are.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] -4 points 1 day ago

I think it would behoove the remaining Magnets to understand, in no

uncertain terms that I owe TMP NOTHING. They don't own me, I don't

answer to them and lest we all forget, it's a free county.

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[–] Jefferson_Arbles 14 points 1 day ago

I think that's an unfortunate outlook. If anyone over there did

you or any of your friends any harm, then I sincerely think that

sucks, but there are a lot of good people there too who hurt no

one. I'm sorry you felt things had to come to this. I genuinely

wish you the best of luck and appreciate any positive exchanges

we may have had in the past.

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[–] bluekanga 4 points 1 day ago

I'm still trying to work out how to edit that bloody list!!

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[–] orangetheorychaos 9 points 1 day ago

I wish I would have received that day pass to the tmp. Is this what it's like?

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[–] InTheory_ 13 points 16 hours ago* (las t edited 13 hours ago)

Looking over this thread, I see that this question never actually got answered. So

I'll have a go at it.

Believe it or not, it's quite boring there. This has been discussed at length in

/r/serialdiscussion.

And one of the reasons for it being boring is that the overwhelming majority of

activity falls under the category of "Good job Undisclosed team, you really showed

them" or incessant whining about the Dark Sub. For a sub that claims not to care

what happens there, they sure spend a lot of time obsessing about it.

All the juicy gossip that you're hearing about is stuff that's going on behind the

scenes.

People get banned, and they make an announcement about it in TMP that is in no

way reflective of the real reasons for the banning (and has little bearing on reality

at all). But there's so much secrecy and misinformation, no one knows what the

real story is or what to believe. Without any insider knowledge, the only option is

to take the mod's word at face value.

People are talking about the case in a sub they don't control, and the TMP mods

feel that they have some kind of proprietary ownership of the other sub (yes,

they tried getting the Reddit admins to forcibly take ownership of a sub they

didn't control -- additionally, the mods made demands of the mods over at

/r/serialdiscussion). Apparently they want to control any and all conversation

about the case, whether or not the conversation is on their sub. But unless

you've got a source to give you access to the mod mail, this all goes on invisibly

(heads up TMP, the first thing the admins do is contact the mods of the sub

you're trying to take control of, you can't do it anonymously). Most people don't

even know they attempted such a coup.

How many more people have to come forward with stories? Every single person

has a different story to tell depending on how it affected them and what they

happen to know about. Are they trying to say those people are ALL lying?

So, in the end, everyone there knows there's a ton of issues below the surface,

and the mods have forced them to collectively ignore them. As such, meaningful

conversation is severely stifled. End result: a very boring sub with a boatload of

drama behind the scenes.

EDIT: spelling

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 7 points 14 hours ago

Wow.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 5 points 15 hours ago

So sounds like what I really want is a backstage pass ;)

To be serious for a moment- at this point, with all the documents available,

with it sounds like more on their way, why is the TMP still relevant or

necessary?

yes, they tried getting the Reddit admins to forcibly take ownership of a

sub they didn't control

Which sub is this? The main one?

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[–] InTheory_ 6 points 15 hours ago

When NU was revived and repurposed.

There's a provision on Reddit that allows people to try to take control

of an abandoned sub. They tried to use that provision to weasel their

way into the sub.

If it was a harmless gesture to see if the sub was truly abandoned,

why not just message the mods and politely ask "Hey, are you guys

active over there?"

Instead, they cry to the admins that "the owner shut down the sub

without warning."

If it was a case of one mod acting stupidly, how come no apology was

made? How come ABL didn't come forward and say "Just to let you

know, this person did this without our knowledge, we do apologize

and would not like to see ill will develop"?

Needless to say, the Reddit admins decided that the creator of a sub

actually DOES own it. That's not up for negotiation or discussion.

That's just the way Reddit works. There is NO case to be made for the

feeling that NU was "our" sub. The creator flat out owns it, period.

Additionally, appealing to the admins isn't done confidentially. So after

it was done, the admins sent a message to the mods. So there's no

dispute that the events happened or what was really said.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 2 points 13 hours ago

What or why do you think they want to control what is said

about the case? And why would taking over the NU sub even

help with that?

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[–] InTheory_ 8 points 12 hours ago

Your guess is as good as mine. I guess power gets to

people's heads.

I think a big part of it is the requirement for membership in

TMP is that your first loyalty must be to TMP. When they

got wind of people being critical of the bloggers, they've

shown their disloyalty and they banned people.

Now, that's not wrong. They can make that a requirement

if they want to. At times there is reason for such a

requirement (especially if there are secrets to be kept).

However, it's disturbingly close to validating the claims of

brainwashing.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 10 points 11 hours ago

I just want to thank you for your honesty and this

seems like as good a place as any. You and I had a

discussion on /r/serialdiscussion the last time this

stuff blew up and I found you very candid and well

meaning. I can't speak for everyone, (all us guilters)

but this is a fascinating look inside NU, TMP and

Bonner and answers a lot of questions for me as to

why some people act the way they do. I'm really glad

some of you (many of you maybe) decided to take a

stand against some of the more unsavory stuff,

particularly the doxxing stuff, that was going on. And

I feel badly that so many of you seem genuinely hurt

by your experience on NU or TMP.

For me, I feel like discussing this case has invaded my

personal life because it takes time away from other

things, more important things, whether that's time

with my family or reading a good book or doing that

laundry that needs to be done. And that's not good.

So if this case is leaking into people's personal lives

where it's causing anger or hurt feelings or obsession

or whatever, maybe we all need to step back and re-

evaluate. I mean, we're just a couple of hundred

(maybe) redditors and we really don't matter in the

whole sum of things. Some of us maybe take it a little

too seriously, idk...

Anyway, thanks for your honesty.

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[–] InTheory_ 8 points 11 hours ago

I think a lot of good stuff came from all this. I

really appreciated hearing from the other side of

the isle. And one of the things that I'm glad

people got to see was that there always were

people who were being reasonable and standing

up for what was right. Those people can finally

get the props they deserve.

I am very curious as to what the reaction is

from the guilty side. I mean, this must all look

like a circus to you. Was this somewhat

expected? Or was it completely new? Is it

surprising/disappointing/troubling?

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[–] MightyIsobel 9 points 10 hours ago

Was this somewhat expected? Or was

it completely new?

Speaking just for me.....

TMP's thought-policing mentality has been

spilling all over the conversations in SP for

months, so in some ways it is not

surprising to have former insiders confirm

that it was really happening behind the

scenes. Specifically, ideas like what people

said months/weeks/days ago shouldn't

matter; and that dissent and criticism is

"toxic".

However, I interpreted the groupthink

stuff as being a lot looser and more social

than the monitor-and-purge cycles y'all

are describing here. And perhaps there are

active TMPers who would still describe it as

basically friendly and opt-in. I'm surprised

by how rigid and formal the enforcement

seems to be.

Mostly, though, I am delighted to see

thoughtful well-informed perspectives in

the Serial conversation that feel "fresh" to

me. Not because y'all are truly newcomers,

but because we haven't had common

ground to meet each other in before.

I have been saying for months that the

"two sides" narrative is being promoted by

just a small faction of the Serial audience,

and I'm really glad to be able to point to

this thread and say -- See?

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[–] MrsTiggyWiggy 9 points 10 hours ago

Actually, it's made me see the

FreeAdnanFolk in a much better light. I

thought there were about 20 very hostile,

unpleasant posters and I thought many

posters were making socks-but it turns

out it was only 1 person!

(I'm just going to ignore that

/u/ryokineko and /u/badgreta33

were on the list because they seem

reasonable and distinct from one another).

I was in NU, briefly, and what I liked about

it was that people were nice to each other;

no mysterious downvotes, people liked

each other, it wasn't scary to create a new

post.

Everybody is so team-based on the main

sub. Honestly, other parts of reddit are

not as hostile as serial podcast. I hope

that season 2 makes it fun again.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 8 points 10 hours ago

there always were people who were

being reasonable and standing up for

what was right.

That is nice to see. It certainly helps to

see that you all don't have a hive mind,

which I think is what a lot of us guilters

believe, even though it defies common

sense really.

But for the most part none of this is

surprising and probably just confirms

what most already knew or believed, like

the doxxing stuff that goes on and the

secret sharing of docs and the loyalty

requirement. Some of the doxxing stuff is

a bit shocking to actually see evidence of,

because for me I think it's worse than

maybe I had imagined and I find it really

reprehensible and a bit scary. I'm glad

some of you do, too. And if I didn't

already have an abysmally low opinion of

Simpson, well, it just got lower.

What I've really seen from the infighting

stuff among you is that some of you seem

really hurt by it all, which I commented on

in my previous comment. The depth of

that is something I couldn't have

imagined.

The sock stuff, heh, we've known that for

a long time. I don't know who's who but

we all know it's happening so no big

surprise there. I can tell you that the

paranoia and mole stuff that goes on at

TMP isn't something us guilters experience

as a group. No paranoia at all on our side

of the fence.

Something else that's different imo is we

(guilters) are more a "of the people, by

the people" group dynamic whereas TMP

and Bonner in particular seem more like a

dictatorship. So that's been interesting to

be a fly on the wall for that.

But all in all, no real surprises, maybe a

little insight into specific users that I didn't

have previously, both good and bad.

And I'm not going to lie, it's been fun.

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[–] Creepologist 4 points 9 hours ago

Scout, I have no fucking clue where

to put this (excuse my french) so it

might as well be here: You've always

struck me as an independent thinker

and there's a humanity in your posts

that I've always found refreshing

amid the waves of hostility and

aggression that I used to encounter

in SP. I think the partitioning of guilt

v innocent is artificial anyway, and

generally driven by those on either

side most invested in controlling the

argument and shutting down

dissent.

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[–] _noiresque_ 3 points 4 hours ago

one of the things that I'm glad people

got to see was that there always were

people who were being reasonable

and standing up for what was right.

Those people can finally get the props

they deserve.

Agree.

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[–] SWVeering 3 points 11 hours ago

For me, I feel like discussing this case has

invaded my personal life because it takes

time away from other things, more important

things, whether that's time with my family or

reading a good book or doing that laundry

that needs to be done. And that's not good.

So if this case is leaking into people's

personal lives where it's causing anger or

hurt feelings or obsession or whatever,

maybe we all need to step back and re-

evaluate.

Well there's a first time for everything,

ScoutFinch! I wholeheartedly agree. Very very

well stated.

It feels freeing to finally have a voice again after

all this time. I do think once this thread dies

down, I truly will be able to walk away from all of

this as you suggest.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 6 points 11 hours ago

I truly will be able to walk away from all

of this as you suggest.

I hope so if that's what you (and I) need

to do. :)

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[–] InTheory_ 8 points 10 hours ago

Believe me, we've tried. And I think

ultimately, that's the goal.

SWV and many of the others who I

have been publicly standing with

have had to put up with me

discussing my love of anime at

length despite none of them caring,

they've had to tolerate my musing

about what a real space fighter

would look like (turns out, the

physics of space are such that one

man space fighters won't be practical

at all), I've posted a ton of pictures

of my furniture restoration (which

they actually did care about ...

women, they gloss over the cool

stuff and opt for furniture

discussion).

Of the legal related stuff, they were

very curious as to my experiences

on the wrong end of the legal

system and encouraged me to blog

my experiences. This is stuff I never

get to talk about in the real world.

But it got to the point where it just

kept getting sidetracked with "Guys,

you gotta see whose sock you've

been named as this week." And the

sub suddenly reverts right back into

Syed-sub-drama.

Trust me, we eagerly look forward to

getting away from all this for our

mental health. We want to branch

out and have more people join us,

and we don't care what side of the

isle they're on. Unfortunately, up

until now, the 200 levels of

subterfuge wouldn't allow for that.

Everyone was scared of their own

shadow. Every time we thought

about inviting someone, we became

acutely conscious of all the stuff we

might have said that could be used

against us. So hopefully things end

here and we can all move along.

And if you want to know why there

will never be space fighters no

matter how far science advances, I

have pages and pages of rambling

geek-speak.

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[–] SWVeering 4 points 11 hours ago

It is. It really really is.

Good luck to you.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 4 points 12 hours ago

the requirement for membership in TMP is that

your first loyalty must be to TMP. When they got

wind of people being critical of the bloggers,

they've shown their disloyalty

Are the bloggers aware of this membership

requirement??

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[–] InTheory_ 7 points 12 hours ago

Do you really think they acknowledge that as a

requirement?

They'll deny it exists. But if it becomes known

that anyone is speaking critically of the bloggers

in a sub, and you don't get all gestapo on them

and report them to TMP, you'll get banned. "We

trust the person who informed us over you" (or

some such wording, that message wasn't sent

to me personally, that person will have to speak

up if she even sees it amid this beast of a

thread).

Yes, this has happened.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 3 points 12 hours ago

So the principals office was not just a

joke? That is a real thing that people take

seriously?

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[–] MightyIsobel 3 points 12 hours ago

But if it becomes known that anyone is

speaking critically of the bloggers in a

sub, and you don't get all gestapo on

them and report them to TMP, you'll

get banned.

This certainly explains some of the

response non-TMP critics of the bloggers

get in SP. Particularly the "Even if they're

not perfect, they're trying hard" flavor of

defense we have seen.

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[–] rockyali 5 points 15 hours ago* (las t edited 15 hours ago)

why is the TMP still relevant or necessary?

I participate there for a couple of reasons.

1. People are nice to me. To be fair, I don't catch that much shit on

the DS either. It's usually limited to sneering, but even that can

get exhausting.

2. While I am not much of a speculator and not at all a sleuth, I

think it is more ethical to keep that stuff at least somewhat

private. For example, while the MVA theory is silly, it was also not

public in all its details until now. So, until this moment, nobody

had publicly accused X of running over Hae (or whatever). So

whoever posted it here is the person who made the public

accusation, not the out-of-the-box thinkers who came up with it.

It's the difference between whispering gossip at the water cooler

and putting it on blast. Both can be bad, but one is more

damaging than the other.

Which sub is this? The main one?

Nah, I don't think so. I think NU. Because it was unilaterally shut

down, there was some effort I think (I was not involved) to see if it

could instead be transferred to a different mod.

ETA: I think the thought was more "Since FMW doesn't want it

anymore, can we have it?" than "Let's stage a coup against an active

sub!" I for one had no idea until just now that it still existed at all. I

thought she just shuttered the place.

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[–] LipidSoluble 12 points 14 hours ago

No, what happened is that they copied all the posts and pasted

them on Google. Publicly. Where the entire world could search

them down.

After looking at the posts they copied and finding a shit-ton of

personal information about themselves that people posted under

the assumption that it would remain private, I locked down the

google account and changed the password, so it could not be

accessed.

At which point, the TMP mods tried to appeal to have Reddit

forcibly take NU from FMW's hands.

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[–] InTheory_ 10 points 14 hours ago

So you're the culprit! Good job for standing by your

principles. You took a lot of flack for it, but you were right

in your course of action.

The good news is that throughout this discussion, the

guilty side has had a chance to see that there are

reasonable people on the innocent side. We tried our

hardest to keep things at an appropriate level.

Throughout all of this, there were people who spoke out.

They suffered the consequences of it -- not simply

banning, but being demonized afterwards in a deliberate

smear campaign. Those people are finally getting their

props for doing the right thing.

A lot of people said nothing. Those in the "Go along to get

along" camp, you were on the wrong side in all this.

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[–] LipidSoluble 6 points 14 hours ago

I caught flak for it?

I missed it via not paying attention to what was going

on over there. I consider hate-mail from that region

of the group as a compliment, though.

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[–] rockyali 1 point 14 hours ago

Not protecting the google file was a fuck up. I never

bothered to look at it; I didn't produce any content I (or

anyone else) cared about.

But, from what I can remember, wasn't the genesis of it

users wanting their own content? And the only way to get

that fast was to copy everything?

And then the appeal was based on not having access to

their own content, which was then owned by FMW and

now, I am learning, you? Did you allow access for people to

get their own stuff? Or give it to them? Or delete

everything?

Like I said, I wasn't involved. Didn't know the ultimate

disposition of the NU files. Thanks for making the private

stuff private.

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[–] LipidSoluble 6 points 13 hours ago

No, I had nothing to do with anyone getting anything

from NU. I was one of the mods over at TMP. From

what i gather, one user asked for access to NU to

copy and paste her own posts. Upon gaining access

to the sub, she copied EVERYONE'S posts and

posted them on a public forum.

For a while, the entire world had access to everyone's

posts. After a couple of weeks, I actually went

through what was there, and that's when I set it to

private.

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[–] rockyali 1 point 13 hours ago

I thought a bunch of other users asked her to

get their stuff too.

The privacy thing was a fuck up, as I said.

So what happened to it? Is it still sitting out

there? Do only you have access? Did you delete

it? Do you stroke a white cat and cackle gleefully

over timelines and recipes? (j/k)

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[–] LipidSoluble 7 points 13 hours ago

While several users may have, that's not

what went down. I know I didn't give

permission, and I found my posts on

there, too.

I changed the password on it, and then

haven't touched it since. As I was telling

someone else about two seconds ago in

PM, 4 months later, it's time to delete it. I

do have two white cats, though. Though

stroking and cackling is likely to get me

killed by cat.

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[–] stop_saying_right 3 points 12 hoursago

ouch that would hurt.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 2 points 13 hours ago

Number 2 is a fair point, except the example you provided was

brought to the main sub several weeks, maybe months, ago. So

while in theory it's fair, but it's usually not what happens.

But I understand the idea of a closed sub feeling like a "safer"

place to discuss thing. Although according to this post, that may

not be true either.

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[–] rockyali 2 points 13 hours ago

Although according to this post, that may not be true

either.

It's totally not true. TMP leaks like a sieve. But better to

make the attempt than not, IMO.

About that... if I had to line up sub-war drama in order of

creepiness:

1. Being on reddit! We're all a little freaky.

2. Sock puppetry. I don't endorse it, but I can look past

it. Unless...

3. Spying on people from hiding and/or using deception.

Super creepy!

4. Doxxing, etc. Although this case is weird for reddit in

that it involves a mix of real people and us

phantasms, so there is some complexity involved.

Like, since a phantasm contacted SS's work, is she

then justified in trying to find out the identity of the

phantasm? Other phantasms? If Rabia gets tons of

crap as her real self, is she justified in wanting to

shoot back at a real person? If someone is a legit

murder suspect, is it okay to research them? Under

your own name? As a phantasm? I have my opinions

about each of these (e.g. I'm on record that Rabia

shouldn't have dinged SSR), but I understand both

sides of all of them.

5. Creeping in real life. Following Jay, for example, was

horrifying.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 5 points 12 hours ago

I agree with this list.i don't agree with most of your

number 4 though.

If you chose to be in the public, or be the public face

of a cause, you don't get to take personal retribution

on someone who made you mad or said mean things

about you. If ssr was directly harassing her or

stalking her or something of that nature- even then

she shouldn't personally handle it. Same with ss. But

she seems controlled enough to do it behind closed

doors or get other people to publicly fight her battles.

EP is the only one handling his public persona

appropriately. at least he only gives people a reason

to disagree with him based on his interpretations of

the law.

Now that's an inner circle show I'd like to see- cause I

imagine there has or will be some drama amongst

them.

Do not even get me started on bob. That guy.

Ugggg.

(Btw- I'm now thinking of you as list guy. You use

lists a lot)

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[–] rockyali 1 point 12 hours ago

i don't agree with most of your number 4

though

Well, it's number 4. Meaning that even though I

see shades of gray, I think it is categorically

pretty bad. If I was writing all that stuff off, it'd

be number 2.

I'm now thinking of you as list guy. You use

lists a lot

Yes, all the time. Easy way to organize and

break up long or complex posts.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 2 points 12 hours ago

I bet you make your bed every day too :)

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[–] rockyali 2 points 11 hours ago

Ha! No. I can organize writing much

more easily than life. :)

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[–] LipidSoluble 4 points 14 hours ago

You honestly don't want to see what goes on back there, unless

you're looking to sit down with a bowl of popcorn. Even then, you're

bound to walk away with a headache.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 0 points 13 hours ago

There is a long weekend coming up......

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[–] LipidSoluble 4 points 13 hours ago

Stock up on ibuprofen! (and popcorn, no butter)

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[–] orangetheorychaos 3 points 13 hours ago

Stock up on ibuprofen!

I always thought that was spelled w-I-n-e

No butter? Who's that bucket for? Not me haha.

But unless more gets posted here, I don't think the

mods of TMP or the Bonner party are interested in

letting me watch their subs for entertainment.

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[–] LipidSoluble 4 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, you're probably right. I've been waiting

for my invitation for months now, and still no

access for me.

Also, I'm watching my butt weight. Butter goes

straight there.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 3 points 12 hours ago

Not trying to be snarky or call you out,

but if you're still waiting for an invitation-

what was this based on? :

You honestly don't want to see what

goes on back there

Did you get a day pass ;) I'll make some

unbuttered popcorn and buttered popcorn

just in case.

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[–] LipidSoluble 4 points 12 hours ago

That was based on when I was a

mod at TMP before I quit. And

apparently now have been banned. I

can't speak as to the reasoning (or

time frame) behind the latter

though, since I've been gone for

several months.

I was never a venerated member of

the Bonner Party, which I gather is

where all the juicy stuff is.

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[–] MightyIsobel 1 point 15 hours ago

So sounds like what I really want is a backstage pass

or just wait patiently until people get tired of the silliness and open up

a real conversation

(or real conversations, so to speak)

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[–] LipidSoluble 3 points 14 hours ago

When I leave and come back 4-5 months later to the same shit,

different day, I highly doubt this will ever occur.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 2 points 13 hours ago

Like this? Haha.

Sounds like the Bonner sub, if it ever implodes, will be where the

real information starts coming out. I'm a patient person. At least

until season 2 starts- the. I probably won't care anymore. ;)

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[–] MightyIsobel 6 points 12 hours ago

Like this? Haha.

No I really mean it. We're learning a lot here about why

Undisclosed shares information the way they do, and how

reddit is being used strategically (if not particularly

effectively).

I think this all relates back in interesting ways to how Serial

Podcast was constructed, and how Rabia tried to influence

how the discussion of the podcast happened in SP.

All this narrative-framing stuff is way more interesting to

me than gossiping about people tangentially involved in the

murder mystery.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 3 points 11 hours ago

No I actually agree. I haven't had a chance to read the

rest of this thread yet, just what people are

commenting to me.

It is fascinating the dynamics of what has happened

from the main sub (which I didn't see when rabia, ss,

and ep were still on it) to today. I'm not necessarily

convinced it's all rabia. She may have started it, and

she may have opinions and preferences and do

absurd things because of reddit, but I honestly don't

think she's the one pulling strings at this point. I

think she has other things she focuses on and has

left that to someone else.

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[–] MightyIsobel 1 point 11 hours ago

I'm not necessarily convinced it's all rabia.

She may have started it, and she may have

opinions and preferences and do absurd

things because of reddit, but I honestly

don't think she's the one pulling strings at

this point.

I think that's right, in terms of the main sub. I

do think she sets the tone for a lot of what

Adnan's supporters see as appropriate internet

behavior. Then they're shocked when anons use

reddit's community-moderation tools to give

them feedback.

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[–] OhDatsClever 9 points 1 day ago

I once tried to gain membership to the NarcUnit. I never did get in, but I still get

charged the $15 every month in fees...

I won't complain too much though, they say it goes to their "Top Spots" Program

to benefit young gifted confidential informants in the inner city. A fine cause.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 8 points 1 day ago

The user name has been earned. Top spots

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 4 points 1 day ago

Hey, don't blame them on me or vice-versa. I'm just giving out information over

here. Take it or leave it.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 9 points 1 day ago

I'm not blaming anyone. This is interesting to watch. Glad it's being shared

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[–] marybsmom 1 point 1 day ago

This is not what it's like.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 10 points 1 day ago

Which secret sub is like this? Bonner party? Can I get a day pass there?

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[–] Gdyoung1 7 points 1 day ago

Maybe read a book about the Nixon administration? ;)

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[–] orangetheorychaos 3 points 1 day ago

So according to that list above whitenoise is haldeman and ss

Nixon?

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[–] Gdyoung1 9 points 1 day ago

And Adnan Syed is their Vietnam.. :)

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[–] orangetheorychaos 5 points 1 day ago

Ha!

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[–] whitenoise2323 1 point 1 day ago

So, Harry Haldeman and Richard Nixon would have been on

the side questioning the decision of the state in a

potentially capital matter?

Seems unlikely.

I would fancy us as more like Woodward and Bernstein,

except Susan is both Woodward and Bernstein and I'm

just playing some unnamed bit part in this stupid drama.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 5 points 11 hours ago

After reading more comments and reviewing what's

been posted, it's not even said tounge in cheek

anymore.

You can call it stupid drama here and now but there is

pretty significant (albeit out of context) evidence that

the Sub you moderate is doing or was doing some

pretty awful things.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 3 points 21 hours ago

So, Harry Haldeman and Richard Nixon would have

been on the side questioning the decision of the

state

That's not quite how I meant it...... Even as tongue in

cheek.

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[–] Thisaccountuser 2 points 12 hours ago

I second this. It is not what it's like. Most of the "innocent" crowd that was

booted from NU - none of them posted derogatory comments about the NU

like those people who have been booted from TMP have. Those who have

been booted have showed some kinda scary colors and while I HAD

reservations about the reasons for the boots... I see now that it was a good

choice. No, you guys don't owe TMP anything - say what you want, post

screenshots from private convos/subs. But you are absolutely not handling

yourselves any better than what you're claiming is deplorable. Pot, meet

kettle.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 4 points 11 hours ago

You've not been following along closely enough if you don't realize that

I've said three times that the pot needed to meet the kettle. Jane

wants to finger everyone as a sock? Well hey, time to talk then. I

haven't seen one sycophant yet who's had much to say about this:

http://imgur.com/gy8Qlue

That's totally on the up and up, right? We're not worthy of such great

redditors.

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 12 points 1 day ago

I would almost switch sides just to get a better view of this..... almost.

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[–] StraightTalkExpress 13 points 1 day ago

So here's the thing... I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who can get

some xanax.

Just throwing that out there, some of you guys already have my email address if

anyone is interested.

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[–] InTheory_ 11 points 1 day ago

Wow, lot of stuff here I didn't know (and I thought I knew a lot). I am not FMW. She's

a lot more interesting than I am. I say that out of respect for my friend doo

As far as further elaboration and proof, I offer none. I owe TMP absolutely nothing, not

even an explanation. They deserve whatever fate befalls them. Frosted is my friend, and

it is no insult to me to be confused with her. I am, however, embarrassed to be in any

way associated with whatever TMP has become.

Study of this case was supposed to make us better people. It hasnt. TMP is as bad as

the trolls they claim to stand against. So I want no part of it.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 9 points 1 day ago

<3 Hello there, friend. Thanks for weighing in. I know who you are, but due to the

excellent sleuthing in TMP, by Jane no less, you are being accused of high crimes

including: being dormant on reddit, not thinking for yourself, and worst of all,

being Frosted Mini-Wheats.

I sentence you to good times in other subs, not giving a flying f*ck what TMP

thinks. ;)

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[–] LipidSoluble 7 points 14 hours ago

Was that my crime too? :O

I'm so dormant, people call me somnolent.

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[–] glibly17 6 points 1 day ago

This is...a bit dramatic, no?

"Whatever fate befalls us?" I mean come on. And I think your righteous

condemnation of all TMP as "as bad as the trolls they claim to stand against" is an

entirely unfair and again, extremely melodramatic thing to say.

Are there shitty people in TMP? Almost without a doubt. I don't care for socks but

I also don't care that much about them. If people are nutty enough to make

socks and assume all these different personalities, well, it must be difficult to be

that kind of person. But who gives a shit? Do you or anyone else here truly think

that the average redditor, on this sub or TMP or anywhere else, is going to have

that much of an affect on the case or that anything we write in comments will lead

to something "befalling" us?

People take reddit way too fucking seriously.

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[–] InTheory_ 12 points 1 day ago

This is...a bit dramatic, no?

People take reddit way too fucking seriously.

Big words. Takes a set of balls to say that to me here. I bet your balls are

so big you say that over there too when they get overly dramatic. Tell us

again how you do that?

Please, we all want to know what happens in TMP when you say "We are not

the legal guardians of Adnan Syed"

Oh wait, you didn't say that in TMP ... I did. I got labelled as a troll because

of it, a badge of honor I proudly wear because I spoke up. Those were my

exact words. And I had others. I had a whole post. I spoke up on an

unpopular opinion. I was willing to say we're being too dramatic in a place

and time when there were consequences. Half the sub was thinking it. But

they punked out and didn't have the guts to say it. So they continue to

think it, just in secret.

When you say those words to the mods and the bloggers in TMP and mean

it, then you'll have an argument to make. Otherwise, spare me. You're a

coward by trying to use that argument here and not in TMP.

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 14 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day

ago)

And that's really the purpose of all this, isn't it? To point out the

hypocrisy of some of those in charge over in TMP. There are lots of

great users in there, but there is also A LOT of false accusing, unfair

treatment to those who disagree, bashing the "other side" for some of

the same behavior they participate in, etc.

As a group, the goal was to have a space to discuss theories, etc.

without getting yelled at by those who disagreed. The "sunshine" sub.

But what it turned into because of poor leadership was a place where

disagreement was not tolerated, people were secretly kicked out and

then smeared for complaining about it elsewhere, and guilters were

hated on for doing things the sunshiners were also doing.

I don't like serialpodcast; it's an impossible cesspool of trollism and

disrespect. But there was hypocrisy in TMP, and anyone who tried to

speak up about it was spirited away with a proverbial black bag over

his/her head. The hunt for moles and socks was constant, while a user

who admitted to having lots of socks was welcomed back with open

arms.

So yeah, it might seem like some people being over-dramatic or having

personal axes to grind, but ultimately, we used to be a group of

people interested in finding out the truth of what happened to a

teenage girl and her ex-boyfriend who was accused of the crime.

Things have skewed so far away from that, and there are some people

who are really unhappy about that and think it's wrong.

So that's the deal.

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[–] InTheory_ 8 points 1 day ago

Exactly. I believe a lot of people are looking for just that. Except

they have no alternative to TMP. So they put up with the

hypocrisy because so far it hasn't affected them personally.

I have to ask though, do you think it is possible for such a place

to be created? Can the issues and various angles be discussed

while the bloggers horde the documents? The sock problem runs

so deep it may be impossible to get rid of them all. Some

prominent people have to be called out for their crazy antics, and

will there be a sub left if anyone attempted to do so?

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 14 points 1 day ago

I think the bloggers will do whatever they think they should

do, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. I think if

certain people hadn't behaved in such crazy, rabid ways

before SS, RC, and EP left SP, they would still be there and

sharing info. I think the only way discussion can happen is

with aggressive modding, where any language that is

insulting or disrespectful is removed pronto, no discussion.

That should've been the approach in serialpodcast as soon

as trolls started to appear, and it wasn't. The behavior was

allowed, and that was the end of sense and reason.

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[–] InTheory_ 7 points 1 day ago

I am of the belief that there is no recovery possible.

The problems predate the creation of the NU/TMP all

the way back on serialpodcast, on that I agree. The

problems have only grown since. There is no way to

reign it back in. The damage is done. My opinion: the

only way to fix the problem is to burn the whole thing

down, this experiment with TMP has proved that any

attempt to quietly fix it from within is doomed to

failure.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 13 points 1 day ago

while the bloggers horde the documents?

Not for much longer. Equal opportunity docs coming soon

to a sub near you. :)

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[–] YaYa2015 5 points 1 day ago

there was hypocrisy in TMP

If you don't mind me asking, were you a member of TMP at some

point? Were you banned or you just quit?

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 7 points 1 day ago

I was in NU and TMP. I was recently removed from TMP

supposedly because I was still a member of NU with a very

small number of other users. As far as I can tell, it's all part

of some potentially fictional battle between users. Some of

the leaders of TMP believe /u/frosted_mini-wheats is

some kind of boogeyman that they can blame all of their

troubles on. I am in her sub, so I guess that means I "can't

be trusted" or whatever.

What actually happened is that the creator of the sub

didn't like it when I respectfully disagreed with her on

numerous occasions, so she looked for any justification to

remove me.

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[–] YaYa2015 9 points 1 day ago

It's unfortunate you were banned, I didn't know (we

never do).

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[–] dcrizoss 7 points 18 hours ago

I remember you sticking up for me when I was

banned for not participating. Thanks.

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 9 points

1 day ago

Thanks. :)

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[–] Mrs_Direction 10 points 1 day ago

Hey! Thanks for doing this! I know you are getting a bunch of flack. So thank you.

Beyond the socks, some of the other things you are exposing are kind of scary from

the other side of the aisle.

It's safe to assume they have our IP's at a minimum.

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 10 points 1 day ago

I'd like to say kudos to the current/former TMP people for speaking their minds. I have

no doubt it was hard to do in what meant to be a safe, secret, space and it sounds like

you got castigated for speaking up for what you saw as shitty behavior.

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[–] Creepologist 5 points 1 day ago

Other commitments took me away from Reddit for a good piece of the chronology in

your post, Doo. I did manage to log on once or twice before getting kicked from said

private subs (I assumed for inactivity, but who knows). Unfortunately, that was just

enough time for me to get an eyeful of people in both subs getting out their torches

and pitchforks to burn /u/Frosted_Mini-Wheats at the stake.

Whatever /u/theodoreadorno is up to I can't fathom, but the streak of naked

ugliness I saw in /u/alwaysbelagertha and /u/CompulsiveBookNerd in these posts

is unfortunately all too human and familiar. It's not surprising that Frosted has become

their all-purpose, moustache-twirling bad guy given what easy marks they are for

theodoreadorno.

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[–] segovius 8 points 1 day ago

Pure Animal Farm

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[–] budgiebudgie 15 points 1 day ago

Jesus wept. Some people take themselves way too seriously. We're just a bunch of

largely anonymous people on reddit. Who really gives a shit, this much? Honestly.

And the worst thing in my book. It's not even interesting.

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[–] SWVeering 8 points 19 hours ago

Who really gives a shit, this much? Honestly.

I gave a shit for awhile Budgie. Because I really wanted to piece together what

happened that day and because it was fun feeling part of a like-minded group

(NO-ONE in my real-life was interested to the fanatical level I was so enter Reddit).

Being ostricised because of /u/alwaysbelagertha s personal drama isn't fair. But

then again, who ever said that the world was fair?

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[–] LipidSoluble 5 points 14 hours ago

Anonymous is a great way to describe us, until someone decided to bust out with

the static IP searches.

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[–] mixingmemory 1 point 1 day ago

Jesus wept

...for there were no more worlds to conquer!!!

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[–] Mustanggertrude 14 points 1 day ago

I just don't think Adnan did it. That's all I got.

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 15 points 1 day ago

Yeah; why can't we all just discuss facts and theories without attacking each

other?? I don't care about all this sub drama. I would even happily exist on

serialpodcast with those who disagree with me if people were civil and normal.

Sucks when a few people ruin it for everyone.

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[–] Mustanggertrude 6 points 1 day ago

I don't even know what this is. Is there a point to the tomfoolery, or is this

standard practice for regular redditors? It seems like a lot of effort, time,

manipulation, and for what? I'm having difficulty seeing the end game. Like

long con for what? I just don't understand.

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 12 points 1 day ago

Exactly. Who has time for all this long-con business? And for what

purpose?

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[–] Mustanggertrude 9 points 1 day ago

right? What a lot of anonymous effort on an anonymous

message board for irrelevant points so you can look like the

most right? Is that what socks are for? so thrown, tuppence. I'm

so thrown.

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[–] InTheory_ 11 points 1 day ago

Let me sum up then. TMP has claimed to be the persecuted target of

all the spy vs spy nonsense going on. Yet every time someone comes

forward with what they know, every time someone scratches below the

surface, we learn that far from being the victims in all this, TMP is at or

near the source of it all. As was said elsewhere, the guilty crowd has

none of the same foolishness going on. On some level they don't even

acknowledge to themselves, the TMP hardliners relish in it. And not for

a con, but just because the game is fun to them.

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[–] bluekanga 13 points 1 day ago

the TMP hardliners relish in it. And not for a con, but just

because the game is fun to them

That's the conclusion I reached as well

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[–] MightyIsobel 9 points 1 day ago

On some level they don't even acknowledge to themselves,

the TMP hardliners relish in it

This whole comment is perfect.

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[–] Mustanggertrude 2 points 1 day ago

weird science, man.

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[–] stop_saying_right 3 points 1 day ago

It always starts at the top

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[–] InTheory_ 17 points 1 day ago

As an FYI, they have a lot to say about you

/u/stop_saying_right . What they had to say about you

with the whole MPIA thing was over the top. They were

accusing you of hacking Rabia's computer (not only is that

a ridiculous assertion, but it is a very serious accusation).

They were trying to track you down to discredit you in the

worst way. They even went so far as to figure out what

kind of printer was used to print those documents to see if

they were legit or not.

I don't bring this up just to throw yet more dirt on the

situation (though, lets just be honest, I am immensely

enjoying it).

The reason I bring it up was because when the

conversation went way past good sense, a lot of people

started speaking in your defense. But instead of being a

victory for TMP (as in "See, we all say things we later realize

is stupid, but eventually reasonableness kicks in and

permeates the discussion"), it turned out to be the

quintessential example of how the sub operates.

Of the people who spoke in your defense, the mods have

made them ALL quietly disappear in the subsequent weeks

and months (I think doo was the last holdout). Granted,

that probably wasn't the only reason they were banned,

but it was what first got them on the mod's radar.

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[–] stop_saying_right 11 points 1 day ago

Well I am immensely in your and the others debt

then. It appears that a sense of decency unites us

more than Serial divides. That's comforting.

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[–] bluekanga 8 points 1 day ago

It's the ones that thought that the behaviour as

described was reasonable that are the

problematic ones

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[–] stop_saying_right 7 points 1 day ago

Yup. No problem at all with anyone on the

innocent/undecided side, just the fanatics

which by definition are seemingly blinded

to any bad behavior they witness and end

up participating in

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[–] TheFraulineS 17 points 1 day ago

They were accusing you of

hacking Rabia's computer (not

only is that a ridiculous assertion,

but it is a very serious

accusation)

Hmm.... does that mean Rabia had

those files on her computer?! ;)

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[–] LipidSoluble 6 points 14 hours ago

Just make sure that the next time you post

docs, you blank out the stuff that can be used

to identify you. They may have ferreted out

where you do your banking, if I recall correctly.

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[–] stop_saying_right 5 points 14 hours ago

that's not true. the money order said

"citibank of north america" that's hardly

identifying. It was the hidden metadata, as

you know, that they seized on.

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[–] LipidSoluble 7 points 14 hours ago

The metadata was dug into at some

point, but there was a stamp, or

some small print at the bottom of

the page that got them started (I'd

give better detail, but I don't have

access to the sub anymore. I'm

operating from memory).

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[–] YaYa2015 2 points 1 day ago

the mods have made them ALL quietly disappear

Not quite everyone.

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[–] InTheory_ 7 points 1 day ago

Possible. I was never one for keeping

screenshots. I can't think of any who managed

to survive. But comparing that list won't look

good for TMP. Let's face the reality, that

conversation was not the high point of TMP's

existence.

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[–] YaYa2015 3 points 1 day ago

I've been spared so far.

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[–] InTheory_ 7 points 1 day ago

This is the second time you've talked

to me, I'm getting worried about

you!

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[–] glibly17 2 points 1 day ago

That's not a summing up so much as more unfounded

accusations and ridiculous generalizations against the sub &

users. I still have no idea what you & others have claimed to

have found "below the surface" other than that some people may

have socks on TMP and people don't like FMW. Big fucking deal.

And if you don't think the guilty crowd has socks, then, yeah I

don't know what to even say to that.

I mean, what is this "game" you're talking about? The "con"? Do

you seriously believe we huddle together over there thinking

about how to strew discord all over reddit? Because reddit

matters so much? People actually discuss the case and the

evidence available.

Whatever else you're talking about is definitely not apparent or

standard for the casual user. But of course, you won't actually

back up what you say, because demonizing the users of a sub

that kicked you out for bad attitude must do something for you,

I guess.

Sounds like a hell of a lot of sour grapes to me.

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[–] LipidSoluble 15 points 14 hours ago

No, I think you all chatter about your beliefs, complain

about the Darksub, and lap from the collective bowl of

cream SS sets out while they do some seriously shady shit

in the private mod sub and over at the Bonner Party.

The thing is that when faced with the prospect that some

seriously shady shit is going on that you didn't know

about, your first reaction it a gutkick defense. Stop, take a

breath, and take a closer look at things, which is what

investigators of this series are supposed to love to do.

Stop lashing out with reactionary posts, and take a couple

of days to dig around and see what's been going on, or at

least acknowledge that you don't have access to the

information that gets traded in the mod subreddit, and

that you're defending something you haven't seen with

your own eyes, claiming that it doesn't exist without valid

proof other than the sayso of several other anonymous

people, and failing to question what you're being told.

Either that, or you know very well what's going down and

you're part of the problem.

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[–] dcrizoss 6 points 11 hours ago

For fuck sake, yes to this a billion times. I have been

trying to find answers to these allegations all day and

I am constantly shot down whenever I ask about the

truth.

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[–] LipidSoluble 4 points 7 hours ago

Everyone is so secretive!

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[–] glibly17 -2 points 8 hours ago

What's the seriously shady shit? Socks?

I'm not a member of the Bonner party; any personal,

identifying information on TMP is heavily redacted.

Everyone is talking about "seriously shady shit" that's

supposedly "going on" but all we have are

anonymous, largely unfounded accusations in this

post. So I see nothing to "dig into."

I'm a member of TMP because I enjoy all the

discussion and theories surrounding this case; and

besides that everyone that I have interacted with has

been really kind, compassionate, intelligent, and level-

headed.

Can't say the same for many of the posters in this

thread.

Also:

take a couple of days to dig around

I have an actual life and responsibilities. Stupid reddit

drama may be fun to watch but I can't say I'm

interested in digging around. Besides, it's on you all

to prove your claims; it's not on me to verify them.

you're defending something you haven't seen with

your own eyes

Sorry, what am I defending, according to you? And

why should I believe any of these accusations from

anonymous redditors who claim to have all this info;

and when what they do release is ambiguous at best?

If the Bonner party or TMP is doing "seriously shady

shit" as you like to claim, report it to the admins.

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[–] LipidSoluble 5 points 7 hours ago

Sorry, what am I defending, according to

you? And why should I believe any of these

accusations from anonymous redditors who

claim to have all this info; and when what

they do release is ambiguous at best?

That's the point. You're pretty much believing

what you're told over at TMP. It's everyone else

that has to provide proof. If you want to ignore

the large number of people here who used to be

party to one or both of these groups repeating

and reporting the same information and

allegations over and over and over again, that's

your choice.

But if that's your choice, go back to TMP and

continue to have your discussions, and don't

wade into the discussions over here. I've

watched the people over at TMP (and by extent

TBP) dig up info on people via documents,

perform witch hunts, harass and ban people,

harass people over on the dark sub, and

perform IP searches to determine who people

are in real life.

If you're the type of person who is okay with all

of that kind of stuff, thanks for letting me know

so I can avoid you like the plague. You can get

as pissy as you like about it, but I'm also going

to tell people what I've experienced so that they

also can avoid you like the plague and possibly

spare themselves having to be exposed to any

of that.

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[–] glibly17 0 points 7 hours ago

What I'm told? What am I told?

Again. You all are making these claims and

telling me I'm the one in the wrong for

not taking you at your word and/or doing

my own digging.

I have never come across any of the

bullshit you or any other pile-oners are

claiming. So, yeah, I'll reserve judgement

until any of you actually provide a basis for

what you're claiming.

And the only concrete accusations around

here seem to be that people have socks.

Okay. Big fucking deal. Lots of users on

both sides and all over reddit have socks,

throwaways, whatever.

I also suspect you and I have very

different ideas of what constitutes

"harassment." Please don't assume you

know anything about me because I have a

different view than you on this shit.

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[–] LipidSoluble 9 points 7 hours ago

The wrongness isn't in what you

believe. Again, believe what you want

to believe and continue to adhere to

that belief system without signed

and sealed evidence to the contrary.

I'd love to provide you with proof in

the public posts of the private

information that got dug up, and I

could have screencapped everything

that was said on the TMP mod sub

before I quit, but then I'd just be

guilty of taking their private

information and sharing it with other

people, which is exactly what I don't

want them doing to me.

The socks aren't the issue (or my

issue, I could care less about the

socks). Doo posted a list of people

up there with the same static IP

addresses. Think about that for a

second. Static IP addresses? Do you

know what would need to be done in

order to obtain the static IP

addresses of those "socks"? You

know Reddit absolutely does not

provide that information, so it was

not obtained in any above-board

manner?

That's not gripes about sock-

puppetry, that's a violation of

privacy.

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[–] MightyIsobel 6 points 1 day ago

Do you seriously believe we huddle together over there

thinking about how to strew discord all over reddit?

quack quack quack quack

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[–] bluekanga 4 points 1 day ago

:)

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[–] stop_saying_right 6 points 1 day ago

quack quack quack.

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[–] bluekanga 4 points 1 day ago

This is us going onto the DS every day -

quack quack

Like this new game;)

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[–] stop_saying_right 6 points 1 day ago

love

Sad song tho, until the end when

they all come back - thank god.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 4 points 1 day ago

I think that's what the Bonnerite who gave this to me was trying to

glean. I never found out if it lead to anywhere for the long game.

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[–] Barking_Madness 8 points 1 day ago

Power, control. The usual for people who are weak and unable to relate

to others on the same level.

Oh and gossip.

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[–] bluekanga 8 points 1 day ago

So can't we peer pressure the power and control freaks and pull

them into line so it's a better place /u/tuppence_beresford

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 11 points 1 day ago

I've been wondering what could possibly save the sp sub

since my removal from tmp, and I really think the only

salvation is aggressive modding, which will never happen.

The divisions are too deep and ingrained for people to

police themselves, and there are trolls who love the

environment. No one has enough time to constantly

babysit, so it will never get better.

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[–] bluekanga 10 points 1 day ago

Well I suppose it's identifying high conflict posters

and targeting them - if the socks are gone, that will

help.

I do think if we could agree some guidelines about

what respectful behaviour looks like then we can apply

peer pressure - works in real life - just out the overly

aggressive ones and trolls and if there's consensus

then they will leave

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[–] chunklunk 9 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

I agree that peer pressure is the way to go

more than aggressive modding. And, I know my

own urge to conflict gets driven high when I

encounter the obvious socks (which is every

day), and I could do better to be more civil. But

the problem is the socks are there for a reason.

They're part of an intentional, explicit PR

campaign to free Adnan, and they've been there

since early on. For every janecc that gets

banned there's a summer/mutton and her 20

re-animating socks. The drama over who

participates or leads backchannel secret subs is

a sideshow that those driving the ASLT

crazytrain don't really care about. For them,

there's no way to make the dark sub less

"toxic" without brigade downvoting and

smearing of those who express basic opinions

like "Uh, guys, I think the dude is pretty guilty"

or question the wacky theories of the

Undisclosed trio too hard. The reason why TMP

ignored /u/doocurly 's concerns about the

sock puppetry is not to defend a single person

(janecc) and her sock factory, it's to defend a

widespread and intentional strategy that's kept

from overt discussion on TMP but widely

practiced probably by more than we'll ever

know.

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[–] LipidSoluble 7 points 14 hours ago

To be perfectly honest, the conflict (as

nasty as it can get) is a whole heck of a lot

more productive (and healthy) than the

saccharine falsehoods that goes down in a

group of people who must agree about

absolutely everything.

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[–] bluekanga 6 points 1 day ago

They're part of an intentional, explicit

PR campaign to free Adnan, and

they've been there since early on. For

every janecc that gets banned there's

a summer/mutton and her 20 re-

animating socks.

Yep I agree and I hear and share your

passion and frustration with these

derailing and undermining tactics in order

for the PR campaign to try and control the

narrative on SP

Still we have the ducks now Quack quack

quack quack

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[–] ghostofchucknoll 2 points 4 hours ago

when I encounter the obvious socks

(which is every day)

Soo ya havva wee nasty run-in with

socks every day, do you now, lad?

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[–] chunklunk 2 points 4 hours ago

Yessir chuck.

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[–] stop_saying_right 3 points 1 day ago

There is hope yet dude

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 1 point 1 day ago

I don't know anymore. The single most compelling thing to me that points to

Adnan's innocence is the officer in the neighboring county calling in the plates on

Hae's car, in a neighborhood by Don's (mother's) house. If I take that away, the

bloggers have drove me closer to thinking that Adnan could have killed Hae

between 2:15 and 2:40 and buried her later that night when he falls off the radar.

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[–] Mustanggertrude 7 points 1 day ago

I lean on lividity, but I did find the car stuff compelling. See, I'm not going to

start creating new narratives to prove Adnan's guilt bc the states case and

Jay has been proven rubbish. I just can't do that.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 5 points 1 day ago

I'm undecided still, still lean innocent.

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[–] Mustanggertrude 9 points 1 day ago

I think I sit innocent until something proves him guilty. I don't

think a verdict should be that proof.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 4 points 1 day ago

Agreed. The verdict doesn't say anything to me about what

happened that day.

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[–] gingercoffee 11 points 1 day ago

This is really fucked up and you don't even deserve an explanation from me.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] -1 points 1 day ago

Hey, tell it to u/inspiteofitall . She's the one who pm'd everyone saying you are

a hold out of important info.

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[–] gingercoffee 5 points 1 day ago

Maybe she did...I'm not at all surprised at this point. But you are the one

making accusations against me right now.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 1 point 1 day ago

Not my intention to accuse you of anything. I'm just saying what I

know. You've been fingered as the holder of the screenshot.

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[–] gingercoffee 18 points 1 day ago

It is obviously your intention to bring me into this drama or you

wouldn't have mentioned me. You accused me of being Inspite!

That's a pretty hefty accusation after all the shit she was up.

Talk about shooting innocent people. What the hell have I done

to wrong Frosted or anyone else? This is just really weird and

messed up.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] -1 points 1 day ago

I'm sorry, what shit was she up to?

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[–] gingercoffee 12 points 1 day ago

I'm not going to play your game, Doo. I'm not into

this crap. You are a bully, plain and simple.

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[–] LipidSoluble 7 points 14 hours ago

The correct term is whistleblower.

Whistleblowers dump all their information

regardless of who it fingers. Say what you will

about them, a whistleblower at least is fair in

providing all of the information.

Can we all for once be mad at the ACTUAL

bullies here? That's the people who are actually

doing bad things, NOT the people calling

attention to the bad things being done.

It's simple enough to say you don't have a

screencap, but it's the people harassing you to

get it from you who are at fault for the

harassment.

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[–] gingercoffee 1 point 12 hours ago

Are you serious? This post is nothing but

reddit gossip. I don't have a screencap

and I've never been harassed about one.

That's why I'm offended that Doo is

bringing me into this. If she's heard

rumors about me, the decent thing to do

would be to simply ask me about it. Why

call me out like this and accuse me of

being a sock? I absolutely feel like I'm

being bullied.

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[–] LipidSoluble 5 points 12 hours ago

If she's calling you out on it, you're

one of many, many people who have

been called out in this post.

This post is a very large collection of

various things that have happened

or been said behind closed doors,

and is likely a blend of both fact and

gossip. The point is not to call

people out, it's to share what's

going on behind closed doors. Even

with only half of this stuff being true,

it paints a pretty grim picture.

I would understand your stance if

this was one entire post about you

and the various ways in which you

suck. It's not. Even the parts that

mention you by name aren't about

you, they're about the fact that a

number of people HAVE been

harassed over the possible presence

of that screencap, and the people

that have been harassed aren't even

close to the people who may have it

(which was believed to be you, but is

apparently not you).

It's not about whether or not you

have a screencap, it's about the

lengths people have gone to obtain

it from people who don't have it.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 1 point 1 day ago

Sorry, bully is the wrong word here. I'm not a

bully for sharing what I choose to share in my

own post, in my own sub.

If you don't like bullying, then I imagine you

haaaattttteee TheMagnetProgram.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 8 points 15 hours ago

Doxing photo album is back up in the post, and it's better than before. Personal

infomation has been redacted.

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[–] chunklunk 5 points 13 hours ago

Question about this: is the Bonner party post "Canary in a Facebook Data Mine"

new to your imgur links? I missed it yesterday when I read, but maybe didn't

scroll down. Because that's a nasty piece of work. Not only against reddit rules,

but totally unethical and disgusting. Who's idea was that?!?

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[–] AstariaEriol 6 points 13 hours ago

I don't see a link for that, can you share?

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[–] chunklunk 6 points 13 hours ago

It's talking about a comprehensive data mining project of people's

Facebook's posts (Woodlawn students across 5 years!!!), collecting all

info possible from their FB timelines, adding people with open profiles

so they can monitor data from locked down profiles, see who/what

they comment on, what photos they add (!!!), who likes their posts.

It's the doxxiest thing I've ever seen, and this is an actual post from

the sub!!! Then, it says they had to put the "data mine project on

hold" because it worked too well and they ended up with "17GB of raw

text and metadata." Forget reddiquette, IS THIS EVEN LEGAL?

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[–] orangetheorychaos 5 points 11 hours ago

I'm sorry.... What?

Eta: this is happening in the bonner party?

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[–] chunklunk 4 points 11 hours ago

Look at what doocurly labels Exhibit A in the post above,

scroll down to the last screenshot.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 4 points 11 hours ago

And this is the sub ss uses for her research? Is bob a

part of this sub?

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 6 points 11 hours ago

sorry for the callout, but /u/doocurly or

/u/frosted_mini-wheats , can you confirm if

bob is or not?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 1 point 11

hours ago

You'll have to tell me who Bob is.

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 3 points 11hours ago

serialdynasty

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 6 points 11

hours ago

I think they mean Bob the fireman

from serial dynasty. He wasn't in

Bonner when I was but that was

months ago. He's in TMP, right?

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[–] chunklunk 4 points 11 hours ago

Not that I know of. This is the super-secret

Bonner party in all its ugly glory. [ETA: yes, this

is the one that SS uses or used, apparently.]

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[–] ImBlowingBubbles 5 points 10 hours ago

IS THIS EVEN LEGAL?

Its legal but its not really ethical.

Its why people should make themselves aware of Facebook

privacy policies and really understand how to interact in social

media because the companies themselves (like Facebook) don't

give a fuck because they want your browsing/click habits on file

anonymously for market data. Unfortunately that gives a lot of

weirdos openings because most people aren't aware how much

info their social media accounts can reveal.

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[–] AstariaEriol 5 points 13 hours ago

Yeah I just found it. I don't see why it would be illegal and

personally don't think it should be, but it's creepy as a mofo.

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[–] chunklunk 7 points 12 hours ago

I was being a little hyperbolic, but not by much. To

research one or a couple of people's public info is one

thing, and I agree not illegal, but to monitor and collect

data for an entire group of people who graduated over 5-6

years? And it's explicitly talking about obtaining information

from people who's profiles have been "locked down,"

meaning they want to see what people think is private info.

Anyway, yes, maybe more on the incredibly gross side of

the spectrum than illegal, but...

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[–] AstariaEriol 8 points 12 hours ago

I come from a planet where we do not understand

hyperbole or metaphors.

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[–] Mrs_Direction 0 points 10 hours ago

http://m.imgur.com/a/tPYDc

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[–] AstariaEriol 6 points 13 hours ago

Oops nevermind I see it!

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 5 points 13 hours ago

I always wondered if spokeo ever actually got subscribers.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 5 points 13 hours ago

Yes, it's new. I added it to the redacted images today. The poster's user

name is in the post, and it was a post made in r/TheBonnerParty.

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[–] InTheory_ 8 points 14 hours ago

We discuss unredacted documents, real life identities of the parties involved,

and talk smack about trolls for lols

How many times have they publicly denied exactly that? They insisted that the

Donner sub was for other purposes completely.

And that's before even addressing my concerns with their mission statement.

While I don't mind professionals investigating the case at that level, is it really

ethical to crowd source this kind of stuff to average Redditors with zero

experience in handling investigations appropriately?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 11 points 14 hours ago

Was is ethical to exclude /u/rabiasquared from the sub discussing the

very case documents that she gave to Susan? What was the purpose of

excluding Rabia from the sub? Is it because of the very reason you stated?

Something tells me that Rabia would have indeed been prohibitive in their

effort to share case files with complete strangers, given how she has publicly

railed about "leaks".

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 12 points 14 hours ago

Wait. Susan set up a sub and took the documents Rabia gave her and

shared it with strangers, doxxed people and /u/rabiasquared wasn't

allowed in the sub? Did /u/rabiasquared she know about it?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 9 points 14 hours ago

Yes, that's what happened, and when Rabia found out about

Bonner in TMP, and said something along the lines of, "all I know

is that I was never invited", SS said something along the lines of

oh, it was just a silly extension of a yahoo group. No bigs. From

the album in the post, you can see it was a very fucking big deal.

The whole effort to dox the shit out of former WHS students

from their FB postings and keep a wiki of their stuff? Does it

really get more shady than that?

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 6 points 13 hours ago

Well, seeing as Rabia has engaged in Doxxing herself,

perhaps she doesnt care what tactics people use. But it

seems she should be pretty pissed about being excluded

from the sharing of her own files.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 3 points 13 hours ago

I think if she knew the half of it, she'd be more

outraged. Far as I know, this post is the only time

someone has leaked anything from Bonner. Maybe

she really thought that it was just some hokey sub

where Susan talked about her cats with some other

lawyers.

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 4 points 13 hours ago

Well, i guess we will find out how she feels

pretty soon.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 3 points 13

hours ago

Or not. She's not going to talk about it or

mess up the team making Undisclosed.

That I can guarantee.

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 8 points 13 hours ago

I get the distinct impression she is

not a woman who likes to be

betrayed.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 4 points 11 hours ago

Actually Janecc included screen shots from

Bonner in an email she sent to quite a few

people both on and off of reddit back in March.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 4 points 11

hours ago

Oh lordy. Did Rabia ever get wind of that?

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats

BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 4 points 11

hours ago

No clue. As I've said Rabia was never

friendly with me. Not like she shared

secrets or anything :)

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[–] TimeHumpChronicles 5 points 13 hours ago

That's a great point. So, why didn't /u/Frosted_Mini-

Wheats invite Rabia or inform her about it?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 7 points 13 hours ago

Why did it have to be FMW? Why didn't anyone in

Bonner tell her about it? I know that for the most

part, people were very afraid of losing access to case

documents that SS had shown them but no one else,

like Hae's other diary entries. I guess salaciousness

was part of the appeal, but who knows why no one

told her. Same reason no one told my secrets for

months, or why I didn't tell of my source's IP

information for months. Fear of reprisal? Fear of

repercussion? Fear of being excluded? Fear of losing

access to the discussion? Seems curious you are

quick to ask why out of all the members, FMW didn't

out the sub. Why didn't ABL?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 3 points 13

hours ago

Ohhh, thanks for explaining that to me.

Sadly, it will be a whack-a-mole game with

your many alts too.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 5

points 13 hours ago

Because I was a mere member, and not a particularly

popular one. Not a mod, no power to add or invite

anyone.

I could, like anyone else, nominate someone for

membership (though I never did). If the group agreed

and the mod approved, users could be added. Any

single member in the group could blackball a nominee

for any reason (such as "I don't like him").

I didn't inform Rabia because, like fight club, the first

rule of bonner was never talk about bonner. That

went pretty well until Janecc started talking about

bonner on subreddits and in emails to people from

Facebook, etc. After Jane outed bonner, I was gone

and didn't see that it was my place to tell anyone

anything.

Wrt to Rabia, when she expressed an interest in

joining NarcoticsUnit (where I do moderate), she was

invited and participated. I rarely interacted with Rabia

however and found her to be somewhat aloof in

dealing with a peon like me. I had no way of knowing

if SS had broken the first rule of Bonner and talked

about it with Rabia and figured that was none of my

business.

Nice try attempting to make me responsible for

anything that happened in Bonner! Have an up vote.

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BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 9 points 13 hours

ago

I followed the rules established by

/u/whitenoise2323 , which were a

condition of my participation. it wasn't my

farm, wasn't my pig. Call it whatever you

want, defender of Rabia. If Rabia has

problems with this issue, she's a big girl

and can speak up for herself (as she

frequently demonstrates). And you can

blame all 25 or 30 members on Bonner for

deceiving Rabia (see list in OP) and go

after them, too. I suggest you start with

Susan Simpson since she was the one

getting documents from Rabia and

(allegedly) not telling her she was sharing

with a bunch of anonymous redditors.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 5 points 12 hours ago

Was is ethical to exclude /u/rabiasquared from the sub

discussing the very case documents that she gave to Susan?

wow. I don't care much for Rabia, but that's just wrong.

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[–] ImBlowingBubbles 6 points 10 hours ago

I want to thank you again for all this information. Its rather weird but illuminating

and helped motivate my post on hiding personal information.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 2 points 10 hours ago

Sure thing. Thanks for taking the time to peek behind the veil!

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[–] whitenoise2323 3 points 6 hours ago

You made it look like I recommended finding a location for a phone number when I

only recommended finding the area relative to an exchange. It's misleading

redaction.

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[–] flwrsme 5 points 1 day ago

I think I am fully caught up and whoa...it was a ride. But can someone PLEASE explain

to me the MVA theory or point me to a thread, if one is available in a non private sub?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 6 points 1 day ago

It goes like this: Stephanie rear-ended Hae either in the WHS parking lot or on a

nearby road. Hae wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Hitting the steering wheel fractured

Hae's hyoid. The reason it was Stephanie is because it took her 55 minutes to

take her sister home from school and get back to WHS. The car and body were

hidden, Hae's car & Stephanie's car got undercover repairs. Stephanie called Jay

(on Adnan's phone) to help her cover it up. Adnan didn't know what happened at

first but figured it out & is rotting in prison because there's more to their

relationship than anyone knows.

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[–] donailin1 11 points 1 day ago

I'm sorry, you can't be serious. This is a joke right?

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[–] flwrsme 7 points 1 day ago

WOW... ok, thanks! LOL

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] -4 points 1 day ago

LOL is right. All the autopsy and car damage posts by EP were trying

to establish a foundation for this.

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[–] flwrsme 6 points 1 day ago

And here I thought he was the wiser of the three.

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[–] TheFraulineS 7 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

Yes, I even remember him mentioning the thought briefly in one

of his blogposts. And he asked Young Lee if there was any other

damage to the car, as his alt Pappy_John.

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[–] TheFraulineS 5 points 1 day ago

And yes pdxkat, I seriously think that.

You are also EP.

Don't mind me. Carry on!

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[–] pdxkat Oooooh Shiny 5 points 1 day ago

No problem!

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[–] AstariaEriol 8 points 1 day ago

Holy shit

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 12 points 1 day ago

Im crying I'm laughing so hard.

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[–] chunklunk 9 points 1 day ago

It's really tremendous. I imagine the theory being delivered in a lecture

hall and him expecting a slow-clap-to-standing-ovation and being met

with uncomfortable silence.

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[–] dirtybitsxxx 11 points 1 day ago

I just had a crazy vision that it comes out that this is what really

happened and we all walk away slowly and quietly, never to speak

of this sub again.....

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[–] chunklunk 9 points 1 day ago

I'll eat my hat!

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[–] julieannie 5 points 1 day ago

I remember seeing that as a passing mention but I had no clue people ran

with that. Wow.

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[–] Nowinaminute 6 points 1 day ago

Someone saw The Great Gatsby

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[–] CreusetController 10 points 1 day ago

Just a test of whether I can actually post in here. And WTF??!!??

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[–] whitenoise2323 8 points 1 day ago

Founder and moderator-in-chief. That's pretty funny :D

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 0 points 1 day ago

Do you deny this? You deny being the creator of the sub and the mod?

Seriously?

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[–] flwrsme 7 points 1 day ago

Who are the mods on TMP?

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[–] whitenoise2323 12 points 1 day ago

It fell on me after a failed attempt at a Yahoo group which I didn't start and

was invited to (that Yahoo crap sucks, btw). I'm kind of a lazy moderator,

so basically I just do whatever everyone tells me to do. Don't think I'm

some kind of mastermind or boss or head honcho in this whole thing. I just

clicked the button to start the sub.

Honestly, y'all are very emotionally invested in this reddit drama. It's

disturbing.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 3 points 1 day ago

Well, call it what you want. Honest posts about bad behavior is drama?

Meh, whatevs.

Isn't mastermind a compliment? lol

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[–] whitenoise2323 4 points 1 day ago

I guess it's the word "chief" that denotes some kind of authority,

of which I have none.

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[–] orangetheorychaos 6 points 1 day ago

You leave that up to ss

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[–] jonsnowme Magnet Cultist 12 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

Oh my God. When will this drama end? Stop treating sub-reddits as some sort of

measurement of popularity or social status. As someone that's been in the bonner

party, it is nothing like you've described. As for FMW, I don't know much about her or

her decisions but I do know something isn't quite right there... considering the day she

closed NU she sent me a weird scathing email telling me that I was the reason she

closed NU down because of a comment I made that she took as me bashing her mod

decisions or something like that. I distanced myself right away but it's all so fucking

weird that this just adds to the pile. Get a grip people. Go outside. I think the air will be

good for all of you.

Holy crap, some of you need lives stat. The reddit drama surrounding Serial is starting

to become very disturbing.

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[–] chunklunk 10 points 1 day ago

"starting to become"?

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[–] jonsnowme Magnet Cultist 4 points 1 day ago

I agree there, understatement of the year, am I right?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 0 points 1 day ago

You seem way more upset than me, lol.

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[–] jonsnowme Magnet Cultist 9 points 1 day ago

Annoyed doesn't really = upset. Every week there is new nonsense from

someone not getting enough attention or love or something on one of

these subreddits that shit gets flown. It's all pretty annoying and quite

frankly pathetic. I suggest again to go outside. I don't have to be upset to

point any of this stuff out. It's just extremely baffling. But if this is what

entertains you and really puts a feeling of importance in your life, you do

you and enjoy doing it.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 3 points 1 day ago

You're right. You must know my life, inside and out.

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[–] InTheory_ 4 points 1 day ago

Let me slow you down a bit there. jon, I've always known you to be a

reasonable guy. I wouldn't say we interacted a lot, but I've never felt

any ill will towards you.

But there is something you need to understand. A lot of us DID walk

away. We kept getting dragged back into it. What's posted here is

only the tip of the iceberg.

Were you aware that after NU was shutdown and reopened with a

completely different focus (on non-Syed related stuff, which is why

only few were invited back), there was an attempt by the mods of TMP

to take over NU as if they had some kind of claim on it. As you can

imagine, that set a lot of us off. We couldn't just walk away.

Even long after we were all banned, our names keep popping up over

there in whatever the latest round of gossip is. Practically speaking,

how can we walk away? Some have had to change their usernames to

get far enough away from all this. Far from getting away from it, it only

fueled the sock accusations.

It sounds reasonable to say "it's just a stupid sub, let it go," but the

reality is that we've tried and we can't.

I hope that helps explain some of the animosity many are expressing

here.

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[–] jonsnowme Magnet Cultist 7 points 1 day ago

I'm a girl :D but yeah, I've not felt ill will toward anyone really. I

wasn't aware NU reopened and wouldn't be shocked that I

wasn't invited (I still have a weird taste in my mouth from getting

out of the blue weird pms and accusations from the mod there

but I thought everyone had moved on from this bs) and from

what I've been told, TMP mods just went in and copied some

stuff that people at TMP worked hard on over there so that we'd

have it for reference. I haven't seen anything to prove that there

was some kind of fight for a take over and I'm not sure how the

TMP mods could stake claim on a sub like that (and I see no

proof of this in the post above).

To be honest everything I've read just feels like a lot of butt

hurt. I say that not in regards to you but to other posters here

and the fact that a post like this has to exist at all and the fact

that to get some headway and make a 'splash' it had to be

opened publicly. To me that says it's all about attention rather

than concern. As someone that's really only enjoyed TMP for

talking about the Serial case I have read a lot of the comments,

interacted with a lot of the people mentioned in this post as a

"Jane Sock" and even weird accusations against completely nice

and respectful people (those being accused of being CM, SS,

Rabia etc) and it just seems like a big weird war to me at the end

of the day.

I get it's hard to walk away when you enjoy discussing Serial.

Cool! Keep doing that. I'm going to keep discussing the case and

new findings and revelations when I can but this is the last I'm

going to post about all of this drama.

The drama is what I feel is easiest to step away from. Was this

post necessary? No. Did it do anything but act against itself? Not

in my opinion. At the end of the day TMP and everyone involved

is going to keep doing what they do. Undisclosed will keep

happening, posts on all subs will keep flowing. I get what you're

saying, really. But is adding another massive shitfest on top of

the already mountain of shit really worth it? What's the goal

here? To expose people in ways that really, not many people

even care about? If you have more to say, you can PM me! My

thoughts is just that we're all human beings at the end of the

day. No one here happens to be a "hacker" or expert at

detecting socks. There is speculation but this stuff just harms

everyone more than it needs to. I hope it all levels out and

people can go back to talking about Serial on whatever platform

they choose. I don't think it can be denied that when posts like

this are made, it just seems like people are involving themselves

on levels that are bizarre and unhealthy.

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[–] tuppence_beresford Booted from TMP :( 13 points 1 day ago

The biggest problem for me was that being kicked out of

the sub for no reason could have happened to anyone, and

can still happen to anyone, just because the person in

charge thinks on a whim that someone is a sock/mole/pot-

stirrer/whatever. It can literally happen to any one of you at

any moment, and that is not the kind of environment I am

on board with, ever. TMP can be upset about what FMW did

with NU, but it's the same thing when the sub creator can

remove anyone for any reason and no one can say

anything lest they are also removed with no recourse. It's

true none of this is very important, ultimately, but when

you spend so much time and energy on something, it kinda

sucks when it's ripped out from under you. Like NU was for

TMP, and like TMP was for all those removed for no reason.

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[–] InTheory_ 6 points 1 day ago

I'm a girl :D

My apologies on that one. I have a 50/50 chance, therefore

I will be wrong 100% of the time.

I know you wanted to leave it with that. And this isn't

trying to bait you out more. So, in the sake of fairness,

this will be my final comment on this particular tangent as

well (I'm not always good at biting my tongue, so this is big

for me).

A lot of what you are seeing actually IS people expressing

how they're butt hurt. You're not wrong in that. And

people want to express that. That's not wrong. Any

attempt to silence such a conversation, in my opinion, is a

polite way of saying "We banned you, now you should

somehow feel an obligation to keep quiet about it."

Honestly, I recognize no such obligation.

And you're right, a lot of this IS bizarre and unhealthy. But

unstated in that is that it is only unhealthy for US to say

that. When the mods are engaged in this kind of bizarre

behavior (as the OP is bringing to our attention with such a

post), then it's somehow ok? In what world does that

make sense? How come no one is getting after them about

it being petty and just plain stupid? It is only petty when

we address it.

I think the number of people who have involved themselves

in this conversation shows how much people do care about

it.

I've said this before I was even banned, but I truly do not

thing the sub was started with those intentions in mind. I

don't believe they meant to be as dictatorial as they are.

But that doesn't excuse the fact that the sub has gotten

out of control and become just that.

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[–] Wawoyaka 6 points 1 day ago

butthurt

Apt TL;DR for this whole thread.

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[–] Tu-Stultus-Es -2 points 23 hours ago

Not really.

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[–] ImBlowingBubbles 6 points 1 day ago

I don't really understand this post and I am not sure I really want to.

All I can say is wow...mind blown! What the heck is going on?

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[–] Barking_Madness 5 points 1 day ago

This

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[–] LipidSoluble 5 points 14 hours ago

Lul. Accurate.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 4 points 1 day ago

My sub, my post, my rules. If you get banned from here, you earned it. Tell your

friends, folks.

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[–] Barking_Madness 4 points 1 day ago

"The inability of people to communicate with each other, not particularly internationally

but especially emotionally, so what you see around you are people unable to love each

other."

Shhhhhh.....

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[–] ADDGemini 6 points 1 day ago

That is one of my all-time favorite songs. Thank you :) My 7th grade English

teacher always played Simon and Garfunkel or The Moody Blues while we worked;

I am forever grateful to him.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 8 points 1 day ago

I watched the Simon and Garfunkel reunion concert in Central Park on

Palladium last week, actually cried, that's how much I love them!

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[–] ADDGemini 5 points 1 day ago

They are my all time favorite roadtrip-daydreaming soundtrack. =D

I missed that! Damn. Is Palladium an app?

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[–] ScoutFinch2 4 points 1 day ago

Cable channel, shows a lot of old concerts.

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[–] clairehead 1 point 1 day ago

...

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[–] cross_mod 4 points 1 day ago

This is exciting!! And kind of silly...

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[–] whitenoise2323 2 points 1 day ago

I'm continually amazed by the lack of understanding of what constitutes doxxing.

Doxxing is the public broadcasting of private information, not the private sharing of

public information. Mostly it refers to outing the identity of anonymous internet users

and/or putting people's addresses, social security numbers, etc. on something like

pastebin and then tweeting it to thousands or millions of people.

On an unrelated note, thanks for the gold you gave me way back when doo. You were

the first to gild me and I'll never forget it.

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[–] flwrsme 8 points 1 day ago

This is not true for the Reddit world. shit I couldn't even find the list of names

from the Ashley Madison hack on here. People would post it and they quickly take

it down.

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[–] whitenoise2323 -2 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

Was the list you couldn't find being posted publicly or in a private sub?

There's a big difference between those two. Also the Ashley Madison leak is

a far cry from public information which can be found on gov't websites etc.

available to anyone. The clients of Ashley Madison were promised some

modicum of privacy by that website and the hacker who obtained that

information broke the law.

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[–] LipidSoluble 9 points 14 hours ago

Reddit has a pretty no-nonsense rule for the sharing of information,

be it private or on public record.

Posting personal information about someone, even information said

person posted in public about themselves is considered doxxing by

Reddit's standards and rules. It may be public information, but

gathering it all in once place for a bunch of nosy people to pick apart

with extreme ease is a violation of personal privacy.

Unless you are the NSA.

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[–] whitenoise2323 2 points 14 hours ago

It's interesting. Early on the mods of /r/serialpodcast were some

of the first people in this case to start posting links to things like

Jay's criminal record, for example. By the time I came around

they had established a policy that this information wouldn't be

allowed on that sub. I didn't understand that and posted a

couple of comments and links and the mods removed my links

and banned me. We had some polite exchanges over PM and the

mods who I spoke with acknowledged a "gray area" relative to

publicly available information. They didn't indicate that what I had

done (and they had done earlier) constituted doxxing and

despite much of this type of posting having happened at various

times on /r/serialpodcast I haven't heard of reddit admin

shadowbanning or banning anyone because of doxxing.

Further, my point included the sharing of public information on a

private forum. It's not like anything is being broadcast for the

whole world to see.

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[–] LipidSoluble 5 points 14 hours ago

It doesn't matter via rules of Reddit. The reason they took

that stance was because it's against the TOS of Reddit

usage.

It doens't matter if it's shared on a public or private forum.

It shouldn't be shared at all.

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[–] whitenoise2323 0 points 13 hours ago

It shouldn't be shared among whom at all? Law

enforcement shares such info (as you mentioned the

NSA). What about private investigators? Involved

parties? Is the sharing of anyone's telephone number

by anyone in a private forum on the internet

unethical? I don't think it's cut and dry. It certainly

isn't doxxing, as the accusations have contended.

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[–] LipidSoluble 6 points 13 hours ago

Among anyone on Reddit. Because you know.

Terms of Service and Rules of Reddit.

But who cares about the terms and rules of the

site upon which everyone is operating?

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[–] whitenoise2323 0 points 13 hours ago

I am not convinced that sharing Jay's

criminal record is a violation of the TOS of

Reddit. He's a public figure (has been since

he did the Intercept interview) and these

are public records. Reddit's "private

information" policy is almost exclusively

about linking to people's personally

identifying information. He identified

himself publicly. I think it's apples and

oranges.

By this definition the telephone book, tax

assessors office records, and much of the

public library would be "doxxing".

Journalists wouldn't have anything to

pursue leads with. I mean, it's an

interesting ethics conversation... and

there are new challenges because of the

internet age, but nobody on any sub I've

seen is finding and publishing people's

street addresses, home phone numbers,

etc.

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[–] LipidSoluble 8 points 13 hours ago

Posting someone's Facebook page is

against the rules. Why would

someone's criminal record be

exempt?

From

https://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq :

Is posting personal information ok?

NO. reddit is a pretty open and free

speech place, but it is not ok to post

someone's personal information, or

post links to personal information.

This includes links to public Facebook

pages and screenshots of Facebook

pages with the names still legible.

We all get outraged by the ignorant

things people say and do online, but

witch hunts and vigilantism hurt

innocent people and certain individual

information, including personal info

found online is often false. Posting

personal information will get you

banned. Posting professional links to

contact a congressman or the CEO

of some company is probably fine,

but don't post anything inviting

harassment, don't harass, and don't

cheer on or vote up obvious

vigilantism.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 10 points 1 day ago

Per reddit:

Please don't:

Post someone's personal information, or post links to personal information. This

includes links to public Facebook pages and screenshots of Facebook pages with

the names still legible. We all get outraged by the ignorant things people say and

do online, but witch hunts and vigilantism hurt innocent people too often, and

such posts or comments will be removed. Users posting personal info are subject

to an immediate account deletion. If you see a user posting personal info, please

contact the admins. Additionally, on pages such as Facebook, where personal

information is often displayed, please mask the personal information and

personal photographs using a blur function, erase function, or simply block it out

with color. When personal information is relevant to the post (i.e. comment

wars) please use color blocking for the personal information to indicate whose

comment is whose.

And you're welcome for the gold, because I believe that it's important to

contribute to this site, and to be honest and verifiable.

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[–] jonsnowme Magnet Cultist 1 point 1 day ago

Yet you posted it all here for EVERYONE to see (aka not a private forum

whatsoever) in screencaps?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 6 points 1 day ago

Oh my, in pubic! The humanity! Seriously, people think I owe Jane and

The Magnets (I call that name for a band) some privacy? I don't. It

kinda boggles the mind how insulated you all have become, like a cult.

Like I have to get permission from the leader before I address the

congregation.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 1 point 1 day ago

Sorry Jon, I'm not buying what you're selling. Best wishes

on a great future in TMP.

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[–] whitenoise2323 -4 points 1 day ago

I try not to complain about or comment on up/down voting but this comment

went up to 9 dropped back down to zero and now is up to 6. Strange! The same

is true of my Ashley Madison comment below.

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[–] totallytopanga 2 points 19 hours ago

TLDR?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 2 points 1 day ago

/u/alwaysbelagertha ...I'm sorry that you can't get anything past that concrete wall

you have up, but you need to know that your suspicions of every move that everyone

makes on reddit all leads back to Frosted is insane.

I am rarely offended, but I will tell you that I'm offended greatly if you are insinuating in

your messages that no one can make any post or effort without being manipulated by

Frosted. This post and information is of my own making. I don't need anyone's

permission to share what I know or what has been messaged to me. If you don't like

the information about all the janes, hey, don't worry about what the evidence says.

I've got my own reasons for posting this post, and somewhere down on the list is

sticking up for a friend, and I've taken far too long to do that much. I've had the janes

list since March, and lots of people can verify that I've considered taking that

information forward waaaaaaay before you began blaming everything that's wrong with

your sub on Frosted. Ask /u/sleepingbeardune . Ask /u/Shrimpchimp . They knew

I had that information long ago, long before the Alpha60 crap. You can call me whatever

you want, but I'll not be accused of being someone's minion or of being unoriginal.

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[–] beenyweenies 3 points 1 day ago

So many socks, it's kinda scary, like everyone here has a Walternate. Or is it more like

being a Cylon? I mean, would I know if I'm a sock?

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[–] bluekanga 7 points 1 day ago

Well if you walk like a duck and sound like a duck - which I confirm you do - then

you must be!!

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[–] TheHerodotusMachine 4 points 1 day ago

Caprica 6, is that you?

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[–] MightyIsobel 4 points 1 day ago

They have a plan.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 3 points 1 day ago

Stick to flip-flops, kid.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 3 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 1 day ago)

Well, I guess I'll speak up since I seem to be a part of these revelations.

First of all, Doocurly is a real friend of mine. She is one of a handful of people I've met

on reddit over the past almost-10-months that I would trust to accompany me on a

Las Vegas weekend. She knows things about my life that I rarely share. She's seen my

kids! I am poking my head up here to support my friend (not that doo gives a fuck

what anyone thinks about her - just one of many things I like about her) and to share

a few thoughts with the Adnan-centric Serial-related reddit community.

For anyone who might read this that doesn't already know, I have been universally

reviled by most former /r/NarcoticsUnit members for "destroying," "killing," or "shutting

down" that subreddit, which I also created. There was one former, pearl-clutching

member who was absolutely appalled that, when I was queried about what happened to

NU, I responded that I'd killed the bitch and thrown it in the trunk of my Sentra (I

know, not for everyone but I often have an inappropriate sense of humor; I guess it

was too soon for a Hae murder joke. Maybe in another 16 years...).

Somehow the "We hate Frosted for destroying NU" mentality evolved into "Frosted is

the enemy who is infiltrating our space and exposing our secrets."

Early on in the history of /r/TheMagnetProgram, I was accused of having a sock in that

subreddit. I was accused of sharing screen caps from that private subreddit with

guilters. I was eventually accused of being a "guilter" and colluding with other guilters. I

have been accused of being Harleyquinndc, UneEtrangeAventure et al, and most

recently Mrs. Direction (I allegedly helped Justwonderinif with her fucktard BestBuy

doodle theory - insert eye-roll). Now there is speculation that I am not just helping

Justwonderinif but I am in fact Justwonderinif her ownself, queen bee of the quilter

world (and I am both repulsed and flattered by that accusation).

Wait! You may be asking yourself if I don't have a sock in TMP how do I know what

/u/theodoreadorno (with an "e") is accusing me of today? Good question, amateur

detectives! I know because 1) I never killed NarcoticsUnit; it has been working for an

electronics manufacturer in Seoul lo these many months and 2) members of NU who are

members of TMP regularly post the latest bullshit from TMP in NU. I don't solicit this

information. I have little interest in TMP - never have. But people talk. It's not cats who

power reddit, it's gossip.

My initial response to janecc's accusation that I am Justwonderinif was but wait, look at

my comment history. JWI and I really don't like each other. JWI's certainty about Adnan

Syed's guilt, to the point she would risk something in her real life against her being

wrong about that, makes me ill. But then I recalled - this is Jane we're talking about -

the redditor who wouldn't imagine someone running a really, really long con, talking to

another of alleged personnas in a very realistic fashion being an odd or unusual thing.

This is the redditor who, upon being shadow-banned for using multiple accounts to

manipulate votes responded by putting in place tools to allow her sockery to continue

undetected. Jane didn't start using tor and pay for some hidemyshit service to keep

Janecc from being associated with her new, known username theodoreadorno (with an

"e"). She admitted on multiple subreddit's that /u/theodoreadorno was in fact the

same as Janecc. What other reason did Janecc have for equipping herself against sock

detection? Oh yeah, because she was going to keep socking around using those

usernames admin was too stupid to catch.

I am not certain what reddit admin can actually do regarding identifying socks. I invite

them to compare the IP information for my account against every user Jane and the

moderators at TMP have accused me of being. I don't use tor. I'm not paying a monthly

fee for someone to "hidemyshit" like Jane. I imagine my log on shows more than one IP

because I use different devices. I am not however logging on in a single day from the

Netherlands, China, South Africa, etc. I'd like to see admin compare my IP information

to JWI's and Une's and Mrs. Direction. I suspect Jane and Une would share one trait in

common - they're the ones trying to hide their footprints.

Edited for formatting. I haven't posted in so long I've forgotten how to create a

paragraph break!

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[–] ADDGemini 7 points 1 day ago

Nice to read your comments again :)

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[–] flwrsme 8 points 1 day ago

wow. So are you and the OP still apart of NU? Have you been shuned by the 3

podcasters? Whats your stance with them? Do you agree with OP that SS has

asked and is ok with doxxing people?

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 7 points 1 day ago

I am a moderator of NarcoticsUnit. It still exists and is my favorite place on

the Internet. The OP is a friend of mine. She belongs to subs that I don't

and vice versa.

I never had a real relationship with any of the bloggers. Because of

circumstances (crap that happened on /r/Serialpodcast) they all ended up

posting exclusively on NarcoticsUnit as far as reddit goes. I had reddit

exchanges with Susan Simpson and ai think she is intelligent, curious, and

an overall nice lady. I imagine her incvestigative work includes "doxxing," but

that's only a thing on reddit. The smartest thing I recall Simpson ever

saying was that one shouldn't post anything anywhere on the Internet that

one didn't want eventually shared with the world. Great advice.

Simpson shared some "insidery" info with me; I have never shared any of

that with the world at large. It certainly had nothing to do with Adnan

Syed's guilt or doxxing anyone. Based on the Susan Simpson I briefly

interacted with I have doubts that she knows about all of the crazy

shenanigans that have gone on in TMP. Susan always seemed rather drama

averse to me.

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[–] flwrsme 8 points 1 day ago

thanks for the reply

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 3 points 1 day

ago

You are most welcome.

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[–] Mrs_Direction 7 points 1 day ago

What? I'm not a sock. I'm not JWI. I'm not Uni.

From the looks of it, you have my IP and know this.

Please keep me out of this.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 0 points 1 day ago

I don't have your anything. Address your concerns about being accused of

being me to /u/theodoreadorno . I wouldn't know how to find anyone's IP

if it were sitting right in front of me.

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[–] Mrs_Direction 7 points 1 day ago

Cool. I'm not you, in case you're wondering :)

I am only me!

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[–] TheFraulineS 6 points 1 day ago

But , but, I thought we were one...!? ♡

;)

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[–] Mrs_Direction 6 points 1 day ago

In our hearts and the stars we are aligned as one! Just like

the musical "Cats" now and forever

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[–] TheFraulineS 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, meow and forever

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 2 points 1 day

ago

Thanks! Good to know. I was starting to feel like I was appearing

in the United States of tara

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[–] CreusetController 4 points 1 day ago

I don't know you, or at least I don't think I do. I almost like you for "fucktard

theory". Succinct, accurate and witty. But also a strong whiff of drama queen for

all the bitching and willingness to shit on people. So I am not buying this, but

thank you for the entertainment and a rare moment of fellow feeling with

chunklunk, frauline and co.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 1 point 1 day ago

Well creuset (my favorite cookware!), I don't know you either but you've

been my favorite poster on SP over the past couple of weeks that I've paid

attention. I've been shat upon quite a bit so I hope you'll take that into

account. I wonder why you would respond here though since you don't

know me and don't have a dog in the fight. Just a need to be seen?

Anyway, looking forward to your continued, clever posts! YOU should be a

new SP mod :)

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[–] segovius 4 points 1 day ago

I used to be a Creuset fan but try a Staub if you're serious about

cooking and you won't look back.

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[–] CreusetController 4 points 1 day ago

[–] CreusetController 4 points 1 day ago

Just making use of the invite really. Wondering quite how and why my

name was on any list, I might have a pretty good idea about that

actually, and generally being suspicious. Still being suspicious.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 4 points 1 day ago

Yes indeed, we are real people, with real lives. Thank you for showing your

support, and I'm sorry that you've been drug through the mud, time after time.

Seems like the real people that should have been bathing in the mud have finally

been called down to the trough.

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[–] Frosted_Mini-Wheats BootedfromLeakinParkRangers:( 3 points 1 day ago

I see that you have pasted a message from NarcoticsUnitMod here. That /u/

was shared by 5 people and I don't recall corresponding with you, whoever

you are.

I'm not trying to pass myself off as anything. I am a person with one /u/

who made a decision months ago to disassociate myself from a reddit world

I was no longer comfortable with.

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[–] alwaysbelagertha -2 points 1 day ago

This is unfair doo, you know I never doubted you. You know me very well too, and if

you're choosing to believe that we ban people bc they question us, well that's your

choice. This is disappointing. Let me know if you still want to be a part of TMP.

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[–] dcrizoss 14 points 1 day ago

You shouldn't get offended so easily. What doo said is something that had

needed to be said. We all came together for a specific reason and all this business

with socks is absolutely bonkers. Wild accusations and virtual slap fights are

pointless. I for one would love to get to the bottom of this case and am always

interested in new information but sometimes it's hard to take stuff seriously when

you know there are some people that are literally talking to themselves and

causing dramatics for the hell of it. Shit, sometime I have to step over to /r/aww

just for a time out. You kicked me out of TMP once because I never posted or

participated. Now you know why. Just a suggestion but if you want TMP to be

different than all of the craziness that is reddit, you should have all users verify

themselves and encourage people to stay away from the dramatic cesspool that

SP has become. I'll be the first to volunteer.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 8 points 1 day ago

I think you have some major, major housekeeping to do over there before you

worry about lil' ol' me. Seems like there's a whole basket of socks in TMP to match

up.

You might also want to check with Jane as to why her and AnnB have been in

each other's google circles for a long time.

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[–] alwaysbelagertha -5 points 1 day ago

If this is the tone you want to converse in, I think we don't have much to

talk about anymore. What a disappointment.

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[–] dukeofwentworth 15 points 1 day ago

Is there merit to what /u/doocurly said, though? Can we address

the substantiality of this?

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[–] LipidSoluble 11 points 1 day ago

As a former TMP mod who voluntarily quit, and the holder of the

now closed account where everyone's posts and personal info

from NU was infodumped, there is too much merit to this post to

be comfortable. I quit sometime around when they started

banning people willy nilly and were crowdsource doxxing people. I

saw things that were way not okay.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 8 points 1 day ago

I'm glad to fork over anything that was messaged to me. I have

no secrets, Duke. :)

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[–] bluekanga 13 points 1 day ago

so are you saying that ryokinecko is a sock?

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 8 points 1 day ago

It sure seems that is what doocurly is saying.

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[–] bluekanga 8 points 1 day ago

Thx - bloody hell - what a mess

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 4

points 1 day ago

I fully expect you guys are going to run

with this . . . I guess it's time to batten

down the hatches.

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[–] bluekanga 14 points 1 day ago

We're nice really- pussycats by

comparison to many on that list;)

this may go a long way to

explaining the toxicity on the

DS and hence why everyone

was getting p***ed because

we were getting hostile

comebacks from so many

users - most of whom are on

that list (not all I hasten to

add).

All we want is some civilised,

respectful discourse - not warfare -

it seemed like we had to go into

battle every time we went on the DS

for no good reason.

We may disagree but we can still do

it without hurting people

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[–] _noiresque_ 8 points 21 hours ago

No. I'm catching up and trying to

work out what this is about tbh. But

sock subterfuge and the subsequent

mistrust is unpleasant regardless of

which camp you're in. I will say (and

I'm not being snarky here), I

wouldn't want to be a member of an

insular sub where there is so much

paranoia and thought control: both

emblematic of totalitarian thinking.

Sadly, I think it has fuelled suspicion

and intolerance in the main sub. I've

been on the receiving end of the

former, and it is unpleasant, to say

the least. Anyway, have a good day,

Mr. P :-)

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[–] bluekanga 9 points 1 day ago

Also it's been confirmed that the

Doxxing of SSR was crowd sourced

on TMP - if that's true that's bloody

disgraceful

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 7 points 1 day

ago

I'm passing along the information that was

given to me by a Bonnerite. Only that guy

knows what kind of research was done to link

everyone up. I don't know.

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[–] peymax1693 Verification is for Sucks 2

points 1 day ago

If anybody claimed I am a sock, he or she

was completely wrong. Somebody owes

me an apology, or is it only FMW that you

care about?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 5

points 1 day ago

I'm sorry that you weren't

controversial enough to be fingered

as a sock? I'm not sure what you are

looking for here. I've never heard

anyone accuse you having a sock or

being a sock of someone else, but

it's never too late to start!

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[–] InTheory_ 9 points 1 day ago* (las t edited 13 hours ago)

This is no doubt meant to sound like the high road. Instead, it sounds

like a cop out.

The mods are taking a beating. A lot of people are coming out of the

woodwork verifying that things aren't what they seem over there.

There's no way this discussion of 300+ 400+ 500+ 600+ comments is

from a mere handful of disgruntled ex members with feelings of sour

grapes.

This isn't going away. We'd all like to get an official response from the

mods over there.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 8 points 1 day ago

Well, there's a million Janes to talk it over with. Have fun with that.

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 5 points 1 day ago

FYI, I made the sub public, so anyone can view it. Gasp! My guess is that you

have people among your own ranks that have passed along the information

above. Hurry, purge anyone that isn't Jane, a blogger or you, then lock the door!

Guess what? This post will still be here. All facts are friendly, friend.

Please, anyone, if you are a "guilter" and I invited you over here, speak up. The

accusations are flying

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[–] ScoutFinch2 7 points 1 day ago

Question, are you saying the mod at /r/serialpodcast is a janecc sock?

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[–] doocurly Moddy McModerton [S] 9 points 1 day ago

I said below, and I'll repeat, that a member of Bonner provided that list

of users who had allegedly been tied together by a static IP trace. I'm

posting the list that he compiled, that's it.

I've never had a reason to think that Sir Bonnerite was lying,

dishonest, or had it out to hurt anyone. He was concerned that the

original user, Jane, was up to something outside of reddit, and I

declined his invitation to be involved in a sleuthing effort to prove or

disprove his suspicions.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 10 points 1 day ago

Thank you.

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[–] LipidSoluble 5 points 1 day ago

The scariest words in this post are 'static IP trace'.

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[–] SWVeering 2 points 19 hours ago

The scariest words in this post are 'static IP trace'.

It's worth repeating.

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[–] CreusetController 0 points 1 day ago

People say you are reasonable Scout so without introduction I'm

asking you a favour. Please consider the huge amount of personal time

it probably takes to be a mod of that very contentious subreddit, and

ask yourself if that doesn't exclude having as many active socks as are

being alleged, let alone evading detection by your fellow mod who you

work closely with. Tell waltz if you like, he's in an informed position,

but can we all keep calm about this and not start another bloody witch

hunt please? Thanks

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[–] ScoutFinch2 8 points 1 day ago

I think I was actually the one who first nominated Ryokineko and

I'm not going to join in any witch hunt. I'll take the same position

I took with HarleyQuinnDC and leave all this crap to admin.

Otherwise, except for being a little heavy handed with deletions,

Ryo is doing a fine job.

But see, this is what I'm talking about. I seriously don't know

who to trust. That is the damage the janeccs and the summers

and the Unes have done.

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[–] CreusetController 1 point 1 day ago

Hi. I was really asking you in particular because I was

hoping you would use your influence. Sorry if it came out

wrong, I wasn't implying that was what I expected of you. I

agree about the socks. But I'm not sure they are the only

problem, and increasingly I think there is precious little any

of us, bar the mods, can do about them without actually

making it worse and causing just the sort of division and

shit stirring happening right in this post. Thanks for

replying.

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[–] ScoutFinch2 7 points 1 day ago

I was really asking you in particular because I was

hoping you would use your influence.

I don't know that I have any influence but I promise

not to be part of the problem. This sock stuff is crazy

and I don't know what to believe but my gut tells me

Ryo isn't janecc.

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[–] LIL_CHIMPY 3 points 14 hours ago

It's been my observation that it's very tough for

individuals like janecc -- assuming that some

semblance of a genuine personality shines

through and it's not just socks all the way down

-- to feign levelheadedness and impartiality. So

I'm with you re: Ryokineko.

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