influence of geologic hazards on legislation in california

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92 drive many geologists out of the business of making reports o~a ,ingle lots or for individual home-owners. Consultants feel tht financial risk of law-suits is too great for the modest lees they can charge. GORDON F.R. (Perth, Western Australia): It is quite obvious that geologists have got to get involved ir~ planning and in public life, even into politics. Do you know of any geologists in public life and politics at the present time? CAMPBELL I. (in reply): Yes, 1 know of a few. Dr. Harrison ("Jack") Schmitt, thc astronaut and first geologist to set foot on the moon, is the Republican candi- date for election to the U.S. Senate from the State of New Mexico.* Dr. Gordon Gastil, professor of geology at San Diego State Univer- sity, was very nearly successful in winning the Democratic primary for a Congressional seat from that area. And a geologist whose name 1 cannot at the moment recall, was in the Colorado State Legislature and helped guide the bill that reinstituted the Colorado State Geo- logical Survey. I am sure there are other geologists in politics and in public life, but I cannot be specific. I am equally sure there are not enough of them! * Since completion of this manuscript, Dr. Schmitt hffs actually been elected to the U.S. Senate. Erratum One major type-setting error in the paper by Ian Campbell "Influence of Geologic Hazards on Legislation in California" published in No. 14 (December 1976) of the IAEG Bulletin demands correction: The length of the San Andreas fault in California is, of course, not "some 100'" but "some 1000 kilometers" (p. 201, under "Introduction", line 9). Discussion of the paper on "Lahars as Major Geological Hazards" by V.E. Neall BEJNAR T.J. (New Mexico Inst. of Mining and Technology, U.S.A.): Has the following been attempted or thought about: Lahar flows triggered by man to make rimming convenient or t'lobs smaller? NEALL V.E. (in reply): No, not to my knowledge. Comment on the paper by D.H. Stapledon "Geological Hazards and Water Storage" (Bulletin of the IAEG, No. 14, 1976, p. 249) sent to the Editor of the Bulletin by P. Londe** The "Comment on Londe's theory" (p. 251) contains a statement on which I cannot agree. It reads as follows: "But if the "pressure induced" change in permeability was as great and significant as suggested by Londe, surely the initial mass permeability would have been high enough to justify completion of the grouting programme". As a matter of fact the opposite is true: the mechanism of "pressure induced" change in permeability is possible only in rocks of low to very low permeability, where grouting has no effect. This was estab- lished by many in situ observations and has been discussed in many papers for the last ten years. It is now accepted by the engineering profession. Actually I have discussed the point at issue in a number of reports and articles in the past years. Following is a list of publications which is not exhaustive. The works of C. LOUIS (France), J. SHARP (Great Britain), E. GAZIEV (USSR) could be added. LONDE P. - SABARLY F. (1966) : La distribution des permd- abilit6s dans la fondation des barrages vofates en fonction du champ de contrainte, ler Congr~s International de M6canique des Roches, Lisbonne, Rapport 8/6. BERNAIX J. (1966) : Contribution h l'&ude de la stabilit6 des appuis de barrages. Etude gdotechnique de la roche de Malpasset. ThOse de Doctorat. Ed. Dunod. Paris. BELLIER J. (1967) : Le barrage de Malpassetj Travaux, Paris, Juillet. LONDE P. (1967) : Ecoulement de percolation dans les massifs ** P. Londe, c/o Coyne & Bellier, 5, rue d'.H61iopolis, F-75017 Paris, France. TLR rocheux servant d'appuis aux barrages, La Houillc Blanche, n ~ 1. MINASSIAN W. - LONDE P. - SABARLY F. (1967) : Comment prot6ger les barrages vofates contre la pression de reau dans les appuis, I X~me Congr;.'~ tle~ Grands Barrages, Istamboul 1967, Q 32, R 12. LONDE P. (1968) : Stabilit6 des massifs rocheux - Application aux barrages, Annales de 1'I .T.B.T.P., Paris. LONDE P. - BERNA1X J. (1969) : Le r61e des essais dc m6cani- que des roches dans l'6tude des appuis dc barrages. Annales I.T.B.T.P., Juin. LONDE P. (1971) : The flow of water in rock. Cours d'6t6. Uni- versit6 d'Alberta. Canada, Aofat 1971. LONDE P. (1973) : The Mechanics of Rock Slopes and Founda- tions, Quaterly Journal of Engineering Geology, Vol. 6, n ~ 1. LONDE P. (1973) : La mdcaniquc des roches et les fondations des grands barrages, Rapport sp6cial pour la Commission Internationale des Grands Barrages, Paris. HOEK E. - LONDE P. (1974) : Travaux de Surface. 3~me Con- gr~s International de Mdcanique des Roches. Rapport g6ndral du Th~me 3, Denver, USA. LONDE P. 11975) : Comment pr6voir la d6tbrmation des massifs rocheux, Les Annales des Mines, Paris. GOODMAN R.E. (1976) : Methods of Geological Engineering, West Publishing Company, USA.

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Page 1: Influence of geologic Hazards on legislation in California

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drive many geologists out of the business of making reports o~a ,ingle lots or for individual home-owners. Consultants feel tht financial risk of law-suits is too great for the modest lees they can charge.

GORDON F.R. (Perth, Western Australia):

It is quite obvious that geologists have got to get involved ir~ planning and in public life, even into politics. Do you know of any geologists in public life and politics at the present time?

CAMPBELL I. (in reply):

Yes, 1 know of a few. Dr. Harrison ("Jack") Schmitt, thc astronaut and first geologist to set foot on the moon, is the Republican candi- date for election to the U.S. Senate f rom the State of New Mexico.* Dr. Gordon Gastil, professor of geology at San Diego State Univer- sity, was very nearly successful in winning the Democratic primary for a Congressional seat from that area. And a geologist whose name 1 cannot at the moment recall, was in the Colorado State Legislature and helped guide the bill that reinsti tuted the Colorado State Geo- logical Survey. I am sure there are o ther geologists in politics and in public life, but I cannot be specific. I am equally sure there are not enough of them!

* Since completion of this manuscript , Dr. Schmitt hffs actually been elected to the U.S. Senate.

E r r a t u m

One ma jo r t y p e - s e t t i n g e r ro r in the pape r by I an C a m p b e l l " I n f l u e n c e o f Geolog ic Haza rds o n Leg i s l a t i on in C a l i f o r n i a " p u b l i s h e d in No. 14 ( D e c e m b e r 1976) o f t he I A E G Bul l e t in d e m a n d s co r rec t ion : T h e l eng th o f t h e San A n d r e a s faul t in Ca l i fo rn ia is, o f cou r se , no t " s o m e 100'" bu t " s o m e 1000 k i l o m e t e r s " (p. 201, u n d e r " I n t r o d u c t i o n " , l ine 9).

Discussion of the paper on "Lahars as Major Geological Hazards" by V.E. Neall

BEJNAR T.J. (New Mexico Inst. of Mining and Technology, U.S.A.):

Has the following been attempted or thought about: Lahar flows triggered by man to make rimming convenient or t'lobs smaller?

NEALL V.E. (in reply):

No, not to my knowledge.

C o m m e n t on the paper by D.H. Stapledon "Geological Hazards and Water Storage"

(Bulletin of the IAEG, No. 14, 1976, p. 249) sent to the Editor of the Bulletin by P. Londe**

The "Comment on Londe's theory" (p. 251) contains a statement on which I cannot agree. It reads as follows:

"But if the "pressure induced" change in permeability was as great and significant as suggested by Londe, surely the initial mass permeability would have been high enough to justify completion of the grouting programme".

As a matter of fact the opposite is true: the mechanism of "pressure induced" change in permeability is possible only in rocks of low to very low permeability, where grouting has no effect. This was estab- lished by many in situ observations and has been discussed in many papers for the last ten years. It is now accepted by the engineering profession.

Actually I have discussed the point at issue in a number o f reports and articles in the past years. Following is a list o f publications w h i c h is no t exhaustive. The works of C. LOUIS (France), J. SHARP (Great Britain), E. GAZIEV (USSR) could be added.

LONDE P. - SABARLY F. (1966) : La distribution des permd- abilit6s dans la fondation des barrages vofates en fonction du champ de contrainte, ler Congr~s International de M6canique des Roches, Lisbonne, Rapport 8/6.

BERNAIX J. (1966) : Contribution h l '&ude de la stabilit6 des appuis de barrages. Etude gdotechnique de la roche de Malpasset. ThOse de Doctorat. Ed. Dunod. Paris.

BELLIER J. (1967) : Le barrage de Malpassetj Travaux, Paris, Juillet.

LONDE P. (1967) : Ecoulement de percolation dans les massifs

** P. Londe, c/o Coyne & Bellier, 5, rue d'.H61iopolis, F - 7 5 0 1 7 Paris, France.

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rocheux servant d 'appuis aux barrages, La Houillc Blanche, n ~ 1.

M I N A S S I A N W. - L O N D E P. - S A B A R L Y F . (1967) : Comment prot6ger les barrages vofates contre la pression de reau dans les appuis, I X~me Congr;.'~ tle~ Grands Barrages, Istamboul 1967, Q 32, R 12.

LONDE P. (1968) : Stabilit6 des massifs rocheux - Application aux barrages, Annales de 1'I .T.B.T.P., Paris.

LONDE P. - BERNA1X J. (1969) : Le r61e des essais dc m6cani- que des roches dans l '6 tude des appuis dc barrages. Annales I.T.B.T.P., Juin.

LONDE P. (1971) : The flow of water in rock. Cours d'6t6. Uni- versit6 d'Alberta. Canada, Aofat 1971.

LONDE P. (1973) : The Mechanics of Rock Slopes and Founda- tions, Quaterly Journal o f Engineering Geology, Vol. 6, n ~ 1.

LONDE P. (1973) : La mdcaniquc des roches et les fondations des grands barrages, Rapport sp6cial pour la Commission Internationale des Grands Barrages, Paris.

HOEK E. - LONDE P. (1974) : Travaux de Surface. 3~me Con- gr~s International de Mdcanique des Roches. Rapport g6ndral du Th~me 3, Denver, USA.

LONDE P. 11975) : Comment pr6voir la d6tbrmation des massifs rocheux, Les Annales des Mines, Paris.

GOODMAN R.E. (1976) : Methods o f Geological Engineering, West Publishing Company, USA.