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W. Robett Blair: ''The'House will please come to order.''
The prayer will be by Joe Carey.W J...
Carey: RLet us pray. The public can get its distance and be .
the best thing, O God, be vm-erciful to me a sinner. Amen.n
W. Robert Blair: llntroduction and first reading of constiku-
tional Amendments./ .
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.solved by the House of Representatives, 78th Ge'neral . '
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' the General Election next occurring at least six months' ' ' after the adoption of the reso' lution and proposition to
0,.,. the Act, Section 11 to Article 9, of khe Constitution, the
' A added Section to read as followsz Article IX - Section l1.
' , Restrictions on New or Increased Taxes. No tax, whether
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. .a property or non-property tax, may be Increased above the. . . I f ...
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the increase or the imposition of the new tax is approved
by khe eledtors of this State or of *he unit of local gov-
ernment or school district, as the case may be, by referen-
dum. Schedule. This amendment to the Constitution is
effective upon its approval by khe electors at the 1974
general election. The first reading of the Conskitutional
amendment. I guess that's al1 we got, huh?'.'
W. Xobert Blair: ''Mr. Friedland from Kan moves that we recess) z . ' . 1 J .e . .
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W. Robert Blair: 'lThe House will be in order. The invocation
thfs morning by visiting clergy introduced by Dr. Johnson.''
Dr. Johnson: ''Mr. Speaker, memebers of the House. The invoca-
. tion this morning, will be given by Reverend Marvin Raymond
i it Lutheran Church in Moline Pastorwho is pastor of Tr n y .
Raymond.'' '
Pastor Raymond: ''Let us pray. O Lord, God, who art the' ' refuge in strength of:thy people in al1 generatiors and
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' ', ...'f...u ,i. ntended as our only contact with Thee, this date; yet they .., g , j . t . . . : ; .often become just that. Forgive usy then, Lordg for our . .
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. lack of better communication with Thee. Sensing the growin. . . .
': . s ' .. . . . ., . I : ; , . .' ' responsibility that our fellow mem place upon us, help us
to so discharge our duties in such a manner, that we are
true to the best that we know. Truely helpful to those tha
.' look to us for help. bringing honor to the reputation of
(jy ZA - '*. . .- . 'h csxsRwu AssEMsLvi W' - . . . . 'z ) x e STATE OF Iuulhlols .w à 4 f.r- :=' . '
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).ï.' ,our fair state and glory to Thy holy name O most high. 'W.i Give us the' unction of our spirit to lead and guide us tot 'I7m ./ sense what thsngs should have top priority on our time and
? our devotion to this day.. xBless us with good judgement in)
dealing with the same. We also are mfndful of the illness
. and approaching surgery for Representative John Grotberg.') ' We pray that Thou wfll work through the doctors and nurses. &' ' j ' t ... x. . .,s ! .. 2 . .r . . .
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. u ito healthx'Aand to service here in the House. This we ask in: : . . . - ' ' .. . . . . .t. .
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- the name of Jesus.christ, who had a sense of mission and. ç * 1' ' 'dedicated Mimself. to it. Amen.''L ' ' ' '
W. Robert Blair: ..''Rol1' call for attendance.'' The Gentlemen. . . . . % - .
from tnfon, Mr. choate.e: J ' 4 ' . '' .. ' : . ' . . . .. .
Choate: ''''Mr. Speaker, would you please have the record to4 ' ;
,t . . indicate that Representative Krause and Representative
' ' Richard Carter are absenk because of illness.''. . . : ; ' z ... . . ' $ . ' ' ' .
b t: ' B? LL1.r 1 ''The Gentlemen f rum Coo'c ,.,!r. W?..l15 am Walsh . '' .. W. Ro er .
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W. Walsh: '>Mr. 'Speaker, will be record show that Representative.:, k U . . v. . ' ; . ' . .. :'r ( J . -. ' . . . . -. . . . ' . . .
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' 'e'Granata, Wall, 'and Randolph are absent because of illness.''. s . .: . . . .
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. . W. Robert Blair:'. ''And Grotberg. The journal will so'indicate.: , , % . t ... : . . *; . . * J>1 .2 ' ' z 1.m:- v a. . .::p ' .. .: : . t 61 x ' k . - '
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Appropriations comnittee. Mrs. Dyer from Higher Education. , . . . . ; : , ..j . .j ., .
to which House Bill 384 was referred, reported same back
1. with 'amendments 'theretoe with the recommendation that the '<N''Nx #) 3 ' ' ' *
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amëhdmenks be adopted, that the bille as amended, do not
passu Mrs. Dyer from Highe/ Education, to khich House
Bill 473 was referred, reported the 'same baek with thé
recommendation that the bill do not pass. Mrs. Dyer,
from Higher Education, tovw'hich House Bill 474 was referred
. reported the snme back with amendments thereto, with the '
, recommendation that the amendments be adopted, that the bi1 ,. ; v . . .. . . .. I . % ..', . '
... as ,amended do pass. Mrs. Dyer, from Higher Educationg to
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ask a young lady to serve as the Speakér' of this House,
and T know how deeply shd kas touched by the designation
by the Speakeruof having hef to act as the temporarv ..t
Speaker of this House. Itve know this young lady for a
considerable amount of time. I knew her at the democratic
national convention in Minmlr I've known her now that since
she has come to this House for her first term, and we got
along pretty good down in Miami, quit laughin, but I want. . . ' j ' '. '
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W. Robert.Blair: 'Nror what purpose do you rise, Mrs. Markinz''- , :...a zoceed.u .,.
, . . . .pMrs. Martin: Rightk I'd just like to take this opportunity
'. ito 'thànk Representative Choate for that very kind word.
' I#d like to thank you koo, Mr. Speaker. It was indeed a
pleasure and an honor on yesterday for me, as a womans from
'' a poor community of Chicago to serve as temporary Speaker.: . ' . ..' . b '
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' ': '7.'in'the history 'of this State, to become 'Speaker. .Not being '
' '' Cè''disrespectful to you at all, Mr. speaker-' I think that .' ''' , 'i ''$ 'a . ' .
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' J t6day that .o''.a..o.hopefully, we'll be having E.R.A. and ''.. ..f1 . , ., .' .( . . . ( * . . ' ' . ' . . *. .. : a g . . - . . ) . . . . . . ), ) . % â, l v. .r . . x .y . x.. e . . . ..- .. .. . ./ . i r Tj (. .. : , ' . . @. . i .1. fj . . . .a . . . . . - . . zj ,.
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Leinenweber: OMr. Speakerm ITd like to'introduce to the Hoùse
a group from our 42nd Districe and also the 29th Districk,from Jolfet Junior College's P
olftical Science Class.They are on a field trip, hdpefully to lear
n something.They are here with their .a..a.. Professor, Ms
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W Robert Blafr: 'fWhere are theyzo '
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cohhehorative. hdliday law. that he was in sympathy Vith'- e
bill. I want to make bne 'thing very clear. In no way does'
this bill effect thd 'schools in the State. Thefe kill be '
no school holfday. All it provides is that on January 15
of eabh yeàr, that khefe shall be a State holiday and that
the Govéfnor, by proclamatione can provide for certain
events staged by the State and has with it al1 khe other
concomitance that go along with a State holiday. I need
not impress upon you the importance of this bill to many,
many people in- the State of Illinois and throughout the
' ccuntry. There's a movement afuou- noku in practiually '
State in the Union t'o provide for State holidays in 'every
memory of Dr. King. No State yet, has done this. I feel
that it will be coming. But I would like for this State,
; the great state of Abraham Lincoln-. to be the first State
l to pay due recognition to what we all consider to be an .1' .
extremely great man. I will confine my additional remarks, .
Mr Speaker, to closing, because several members have '. ' , 'h ' . ! . .
indicated they wish to speak. I urge your acceptance pf ', J. ' 'k . : @. . 1 ' ' ' % ' 1. ; 4 . . j . , t t. yy . . . . . , j . . -. .. .. : . .( j .y. . .j q , ' . ... j .j y' .u' HOLS e B i 11 S 5 a.'ll
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' Barnes: ''Mr. speaker and members of the House. I rise to J''. z . . . . . (.z ;.. '
. . . r , . ( : , v . . ,i here bn this daye a day ' ''support the two bills in quest n.# ' ' ' ''. ' ' ' ' ' '' . ' ''$ ' ;j
that I think was a day of infamy in the history of this ' '.
country. I tend to be slow in what I m about to say' . . . a j ; : +
4 T had the privilege 'and I had in my lifetime fortunate to# . -. '
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ahlG .ko wal'k some'of thà pakhs with Dr. King. I would' chérish. thét forever. Hopefully, I wish that many of us
here koday and many of khe young people that will be
touched by his life in :he coming generationy would have
. had that privflege. I belfeve that we 'could not do more
to further his dreams khan to have a day set aside 'to
celebrate the blrth bf thfs great man. Mr. speaker,
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Barnesz 'HT shall be very brief wfth hy comments, but I would.J . . ' '
. .' ' like to zead soxethf ng that I set down last night ard
. thinking about the days and the days that have passed,
. ' April 4, 1968. I would like to offer this that was writken
,in one of the works of Jerome'Bennet't, it comes from his
booke What Mannei of Man. He said in that book, if it is
true as Carl Sandberq has so eloquentlv said, that a tree
' .. is measured best when it is down, and in April 1968, in the
' ' Easter season, when a tall young tree fel'k in the United. z .j . . . . . n . I
'k States of America, men sided with each other in descbibing ..- 1'. . . .' ,
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thït thds'e 'words are thd most eloqueht words that could bet; .
/ 'written about a person and the host eloquent thing that
' could be said about ang individual. I believe Fhnt a
E heritage has been left, not only the State, but ehi*sl . ' ' '''
countrv as a whole, and has been left to a people, and I!. '''' ''* ''' '' .
j think thàt in a dream thàt was deferred on April 4, 1968,' . . E . ' '. '
' . ')y that we could, in some measurable waye conkinue tp leE
.''generations to come, to Rnow of a man whdse deeds was .
t '' ' ''/forever bùrned in the etchings of this country
. A''many'
ho should be honored with a holiday honoring the bitthw
in this nation. Mr. speaker, I am imploring everyone 'in
this House, who did not have the opportunity to know this
. man, whd did not have the opportunity to ever be within his
conpany, to reflect on the life that he performed for us
to follôw, and ï implore you to vote Aye on making our
Skate to be the fl.rst State in thia nation Eo recognize' . . l 1 . '
' ''and to hono'r this man in this way. Thank you very much.e. . . . ' ! ' . ' .. : . . : , . ... . N' ' .Z..L ' . ' ' C ' '. '
. J. BlaiY: . hThe 'Gentlemen Yrom Cook, Mr. Juckett-H .'
. . . '.w '. ' iy1 the sponsor yield for a questiont. Juckett:. Mrk Speakerg w
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,. i...; , .. - ., . . .Juckett: nHow many state iolidays are there that honor a manzn
'' chave 'to rely upon my memory which is not '. . Washington: 1111.
, infallibleg Representative Juckette but Abraham Lincoln is'one, George Washington is another, to the best of my '
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recollection, 'there may be otherso' Christopher Columhus-':rA '
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Juckeft: ,bkà, so thàt +hn:: are 'twô holidays specifically for
mehy one being Chtistophef Columhus, and one being Abraham
Lincoln,œ
lashsngton: RAnd Gedrge Washingkon.-
. Juckett: eNo r think youell ffnd that George Washfngtontsa..a..
its not his birthday and its called Presidentês Day and
it honors all Presidents.'' '
Washington: ''l would accept that information.'' '
' Juckett: ''How many ..a...how many Illinoisians are so honored
bv havinq their birthdays declared as holidays?''
' Washington: ''I'm not aware of any Representative Juckett, and
I dongt understand what direction yourdnterrogation is
' ' oing in. Let me say simply tllis . If there is no precedeng
for what I 'm doing today, it does nok concern me . what I Km
simply saying, and what Representative Barnes said, and
what other speakers will sayy is khak here is a man who
i h f eople throughout this coun' try,a substant al nnm er o p
particularly in the State of Illinois, deemed set to hbnor' . :by a Staté holiday. This legislative body is a precèdent
, . ' ; . .. rsetter.' '1 can think pf no better precedent to set, not, . . ' ' . ' ' ' ' .
..' only in ihis state, but thro'ughout th. country, than by
. ' ' . J: . . 'honoring the late Drk Martin Luther King. So if your
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interrogation is 'going to continue alopg those 'lines,
except my last remark as covering the 'entire spectrum of '
what you can conceive of as being the reason why we should
not support this bill.e . . .
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Jucket't: ''Ke11, if and whén we set this prededenty how Much
will thif cost the 'State of I'llinois' in taxes paid to '.
employee/? Fok much will thfs eost khé 'consuming public
for salaries and wages which are paid, but which are not .
earnedz? '
Washington: Wlmm not aware of the coàt, but I say whatever the
cost, we have an obligation to people who make a tremendous
. . ... ..- '.' contributfon to ' this country and Statee' and I think the . .l.. v , . . . .
. . ' $ . ' ''American peopley and parficularly Illinoisians, are pre- '
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' J'.pared to pay thét cost, because they realâze 'that life. A: '' . .
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ià not sxmp* ly a question of bread and money; we have to do .honor, we have to uplift ourselves, we have Yo respect and
do'justice to the people who set standards in life 'for
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'ué to followm' Rnd l think the people in the Skate of. xq . ' ' .
Illinois, and the Gene/al Assemhly in the paste has
, indicated that they are prepared to pay that cost.n
Juckett: ''Although this bill is and has been introduced wlth. . . . t ; . .. . . . . .. .
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'îtehs-for which. the# are not going to gek any kind of retur .And, leEd's také 'a look at the bill: itself. It says
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that it shall be i legal holiday. Now what does that
meàn? That means that we whb abide by Iegal holidays will
nok go to work. Tt also means that the school children
wf1l not go to 'school. Now wouldn't it be a more fitting
tribute to this great man of peace, that we declare it to
be 'a commemorative holiday and that we requirern.khat in the
schools,'they learn about the objectives of this ma'n, rathe. ' 2 j . . . .
than saying, Oh go'ody, hey, we got a day off from school
and let ! s go out and play . There zlot going 'to give a dura
about the fact that it was somebody's birthday. TheyKre '
not going to pay any attention to that. A1l Ehey're going
to say is that Hey, we got a day off, we don't have to go
to school. Or weeve got a day off with pay and we don't' ' it It would be much more fittinghave to worrty about .
to teaeh the principlès of a man that this sponsor is, I . ' . ' .
krying to honor than it is to say let's have a day off,
.because 'khen we have a day off, it literally meansy.a day. . : 1 ) . . ' ' , . ;. r .
. .' 1 . ' . tv ' .' off.''ôThefr not going to think about Martfn Luther King, .', ' , . . . .?k .,t ) . . . . . . : 2 . . . . ' , . .. . . .. -'' ! . . ..;.. k;. 43 ;',t. . ;à,z ? :. : . . . - - '' :- l .- . . . ' . . . . ' . . . . .. . '' l ) .: t ' ing to .think about his principlèsy their nottheir no go
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.tqoing .éo give a zarn about it- They're just going to say .. . .'.! ê ' . . . . < ! ' . . . . . . . .
. Hey leE's thank Represenkative .tothe Representakive who '
put this bill in. ' So let's cast a vote no and then let's ',
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come back'and do it the 'right way, so that we can learn
his principles, we 'can leàrn his standards for which he '
stood and died for, and at the same kime? we can save,<-5V . . . ' '
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vote on this veby misguided, but well-intentioned bi1l.''
W RobeHt Blair: ''The lady'from Cook, Mrs. Martino''
Markin: RThank you Mr. Speaker, ladi-es and gentlemen of the
Eouse. Today a baffled nation takes invenkorye reassessing
its development at E time wheh polarization amosg iks
people is deeper than it has Aver been since the Civil
Nar. le are fn a' civiï crisesy no it is perhaps appropriat. . ' .
that we come before this General Assembly, asking this body
' to set asâde a day ko commedorate 'khe life of Dr. Martin
Luther Eing, Jr. It is not a sin:ular achievement: the
fact thàt he was a recipient of the Nobel Peace Price.
' Over three scores of hon'orary degresse and nearly 500
awards for civil leade/shipe that we honor with a holiday,
it is what he inspired black people to ddecollectively,
and what he lead the nation to be. Martin Lukhef King
believed in Amefica, he spoke'of Lt with. an eloquent and
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. prof outjd love , he loved its instituzio-ls a.nd wlzile 'oelabcrir g
its needs for reform, he never belittled the land of his
. C Q ' ' ' e ' #'birkh-.T.ln the last 1960:s, btack youth, after and emotiona.
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, . i .for freedom, cbied inwards and wore 'their voices out cryinq
k wer' xn' an equal critical strugsle to define theirblac po
self-identity racially. In 1963.' most of them had gone tor .
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and did walk 'wkth. kings , ,bttt kept thel 'common t'ouch. We
kept the 'pulse bf thé 'common pedple; unknown beyond the
acreage of thos'r cotton fields, or peanuts seclions.
The fugitive sides of streeks and back alleys of soukherh
cities of our hàrd asphalt of our metropolitan northern
cities. Ee listened to th:ir heartbeat. chartered the
cardiac conditions of the nation itself, rather' on I
Street in Washington or J Street in Montgomety, rather on
East 58th Street Watts, or East 47th Street in Chicago.
April 4, 1968 event at the Laraine Hotel in Memphis was
. an attempt to assassinate the nation's conscience, but
Martin Luther King did not die in Memphis and he will not
die in the history of our conscious memory.' Hisdjourney
to the mountaintop tells his people to seë bekond the
horizon painted in :he drab color of helplessness. It
lead them ko hold on wikh some 'very persuasive signs
. s'lggested thab there may be the last hold out. I am a .
freshman legislator today, a woman, and a black person,'
whose election can be partly attributed to his wordk.
vor again/ it is but a small, no less significant, part .
of his leiicacy that when we were in Selma. Alabama, in 1965.. . .
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only 6 parts . . . n . . ' .. . .
w. Robert Blairz pAlright, we ne+d a little order, the lady now
' will bring her remarks to a closey her time is expiring.o. E'' .
Martin: ''only 6.5 of the black population of Dallas County were
registered to vote-' Today over 65% of the black population'
4is registered and five of Selma 10 city councilman are blac ..,k...-x j/' .. ,
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'- - - /rndeédy Alabama had no black public elected officialo iout-
s'ide bf Macon. Today thefe are 'ovef 2700 eleeted black1>
officials whereas wheh we were on the bridge in Alabama,
we héd only 200 blackpublie àlecked officials. Ladies
and gehtlemen of. this Souse, today five yeérts ago, Martin
Luther Kin: was killed. I beg of you to please vote 'yes
. on Fouse Bill 5 and 6. Thank you very much.e. ' '.. . . . . ,
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W. Robert Blair: HThe Gentlehen from Cook,Mr. Piotrowiczo/
Piotrowiczz pMr. speaker, ladies and gentemen of the House/
. .' This measrre we have beffre ûs ko eaYp to me'/Ais more Yhan' '' t a recognftion of the'contributions that Dr.King has.nus
' made to us in terms of awareness of problems and purpose
and reordering of priorities. I think whït it means that
' a recognition on our part of the contributions made by
thousands of people to Ahe development of our nation. It
< '. is a recognition on our part of the contribution members
. ' ' :' of his 'zace have ma'ie to khe develtlpmertt ok aur lkatr-icn and' . ' L . '
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' our wav of life .' Without taking any more 'time , Mr. Speaker'
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. . . t ;, .. . . ' !yj jgr ' ' .. : .lkklzfavor.this billy. this measure and urge the m-m ers o .' : ô ;' .Iv .jt(L,.* .t :. , . : u . , . . . . , , ;... ..)) v . ....' ; : .,.
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' ) ' ': '. ''Xthis. assembly to 'give it a f avorable .vote . * ''V't ' ' ' ...'.. CL ' .. . . I . . . . . , , . , . . ;. . . , . I T ' ' . : .. :.. 1 ; , . . . . . . . . . . > .
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. the remarks that our made: sometimeé making a Joke out of .
thé bills, and I would like to inform one of the previous .
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s afke: thd life oft. Dr-King an: wha: he stèod for, we 'would not b
e living in$
these chàokic tfmeé in whfch we are facing today. I think 'it would behoove 'all of us to remember what he steod for.ti'
z thznk the bills are befitttpg and beneficial and z thtnk
every one of us should vote yes on this bill and try to' j '
.1 pattern our lives from the thi
pgs that Dr. King stood for. .Thank you very much
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e Gentlemen from Cooke ME. Catania. ''Catania: ''As a. wa ladyy not a gentlem
an, a arîse, Mr. Speaker,to support Rouse Bills S and 6. I think that no one int: . ' 'this House would dispuke the fart that Dr
. Martin LutherI King was a great black leader. And I think that as the7 history books of the State of Illinois begin to include:,
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tblack history as well
as white hiskory, we are slowly' 'achlaving some appreciation of the contribution of black
citizens to this nation p' .The fabric of American history?; . '.. 1. ) 1*
j,. '' .. .ij : : .' is not just one color- It'is-many colors and I think that. . . ....L .. r .i $' . . . ,.. , ..:. .. .
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. , ; ) ; jswe have an opporiunitz .to reeognize that today in this. . , ! . .. . , . : . .
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i k hat'ev 'ry 'resident of the State should be
Housa., I th n # >.. # ) j; ' '' . i œ.; > . .$ . . ... . 1 * . w :able to be aware and acknowledge the greatness of Dr.
Martin Luther King.
' The greatest advocate of non-violence 'that this nation has known...And Ifm sure thak we would all. , . . .. . x: . .
?)agree that a yearly reïinder of the value of non-violencewould be a good thing in thi
s State. I would ask you notto listen to me read
, but to read for yourselves the't ' m: . '. . .
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G E N E R A j. A s s E M B L Y'qrk--rtzr- ?ï y': . t y ..G . ) s 'r A v e: o p' ) u u l N o I s
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in thethicaio Tribune today by Verhon Getpg. He says it
. all a lot bettel than ''X could s'ay it/ about Dr. Martin
Luthér King. T hope thàt you will 'j6'fZ ï me fn Voting Aye
on Fouse Bîlls 5 and' 6,' which meéns a great deal to the
people bf my district, also r think to the 'people of the
State 'of Illinois, and also to the 'people bf the entire
United states./
W. Robert Blair: 'WThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Davis.R:, ' ' 'Davisz Mr. Speakèr and ladies and genkleman of thd House.
A sense of inadequacyr falls offensively upon me as I
search for words td express my love, my resyact, and :ay' admiration for Dr. Martin Luther King. I want to thénk
the Speaker of this House for recognizfng me# calling upon
me 'after one of the ladies of this Housek a distinquished
lady of this House has spokeh. It is altogether fittink.l '
and proper in describing Martin Luther King that I follow
' the solemn words of a dedicated femalek momher of this
House, because if you will review your history and the
if of Dr. Martin Luther Kingy it was a noble' womapy ql e
' noble woman, if you please, and we stand here now, they! '' z . ' . . .
. ' ) '' .tell me on the eve of equal rightsy the Equal Rights Amend-) . ' '' ' .'' '
ment. It was.a noble woman that inspired Dr. Martin Luther' : ' .2 . . ê ' .
King in his famous Montgomery bus boycott. Her name was ' .*- . . -' *' -* . ' -4. , , . $g. . . w
' ROSa Park. She had worked a11 day. She was tired. She ', ''
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boarded a bus, bpublic trqnsportation in Montgomery.' (She paid her fare like everybody. else on the bus. She was .'
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seated quietly and respectfully on that bus. Finally, 1? x .v.f?.:x v . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y ' ' ' ' iI N1 .v.1''...A 2- sv w.r .; ..' , uuy pl o 1 s . . ' . ,
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- when the bus reached a certain section of the city, it
became crowded and she was Eold simply because of her color
she had to give up her seat although she had paid the same
fare that everyone who had boarded that bus had paid. She
refused to give up her seat, and you know khe story, she
was arrested. Taken to jail. It was the courage of this
noble woman when, 1et me tell you something, this is true,
this is tru here in this country. Very little is said
about the courage of'noble women. It was the courage of
' this noble women, being deprived of her seat, being perse-
cuted on that bus, that inspired Dr. Martin Luther King.'
Yes, he had a great educated mind. And an educated mind
is a valuable asset. But 1et me tell y6u something else
about Martin Luther Ming, he had an educated heart. And
an educated heartris far more valuable than an educated
mind. For out of the abundance of the heart.........''
k ''All right, now---/. could we have a littlew. Robert.Bla r:
ozder hnze # please .'' '.
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Davisz NThank you, Mry' Speaker.H '. . . . r: J .. . . . . . . ' q
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l ir:' PACI right.n ' 'w. Robert B a . . . . a .' ' . . ' . . . : '' . . ' ' . G w j ' ) ;' , ' .. .. . . ' -' . ' 1. . .. .... . . . ; . d? . jj . . , ,. . . .Davis:. pl'm q=' oting:the scipture now. out of the abundance of
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. ' the heart the mouih speakàkh. Dr. Martin Luther King
. x j : j . .. # ' t .. ' .. 7 . '. ' ' '. ' ' ' '' .' spoke ou> 'of the abundance of his heart. His heart was
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za wuatever theiras broad as the needs Of the POOr Peop, '
, irace or color may be. With his heart, he won friends to !
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d a11 creëds. I can seehis call, friends of a1l races an.
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now the numher of young Jewish Rabbies marching with him.
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I can see now the nnmhef of Roman Cathdlics and nuns
marching with him. I can see now thé Epicopal priestsrq.
marching with him. I èan se+...... my mind goes back ko
that horrible scene down in my native state of Mississippi,
where two white people and one blàck person was buried
under the dnmn, I can see this, for he won the aamx'ration
of all people with his heart, his couragee his calm judge-..ment, and his common sense motivatèd him and lead people
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to follow his call. Thai's why I say that therels a sense. ' . .rL ' .
of inadequency in me trying to express words that would:' . ' .
desribe Dr, Martin Lukher Kirg. No oratorio was any greate ,
for the very oratory of'rMartin Luther King was like a fliih' .. of golden arrows: calling upon the ears of all the black
. ' . ' .. ' .children. Nobody can ever framc a Pfcture.'large enough to
include the Christ-like character of Dr. Martin Luther
xsng. To him that doith good, having the unlimiked power
to do evil. And he had the unlimiked powerp with a11 of
. his àollowers to do evïl, remeller this. Droktar'iin Luther. ' .. , , . . +
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': King deserved praise, not only for the good which he has '. o . .. , .. j . . . .. . . f z . , t $' ' ..c l . :! .. ' ' 'i. .:.: ? 2 .t ' . h fought against': Instead. done f lmt.. .f Or Ehe evil that e .' .t . . . . , . ,T . . . . z 1 % ' '' ' '*1 . . #. . )
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. J e . ,. -. - ; . 1.. . $ .; . ..'.'J ' ' iolence, done a disservice to this nation,s .' of people to v
. ' ' ' . . . ' ïj. : , . , . . ' ' ' ' i' Q .2 ' ' . . .. . . , . J .: . . . t . . . 't. q. , t ( j : : . . .. ' ' ' . . . . ;.' k . .: : i . ' . ! J '. . , lë : t .. . i yent philosophy, ' '..'' do yOù hear. But he choose the nonv O .: , 4 .zt '. .: . . .. ' ' . , . r ; r . . . . , ..t .. . . ,J ; '' '' .1 . ' . . ' . ' lf '' knowing full well of the great admanition that èomes out! à , . , .' : .
, . d ' j ' . . . '' . 2 ' .' ''of his Bible. That if you live by the sword, you die by .,' I
. , . . : . : . . I.' the swoed. He went about doing good, nonviolently. We ' '.
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the great honor that is due Martin Luther King, not only
by the State of Illinois, but by this nakion, for his
nonviolent philosophy. We hold up our heads, we make a
pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States, and
we talk about one nation indivisiable, and this is what we '
say..... with liberty and justice for all. Well let metell you this and Martin Luther King and his philosophy.
Help to make this..... in these times, dne nation indivisi-'
. ablely with liberty and justice 'to all. I plead with youno'k;' to vote # yes ' f or *l4e Bills sponsored by 1&' distinguish d
colleague, five and six, in this House, an honor of a
great American, Dr. Martin Lukher Kingo''
W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Eosinski.''
Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker, while urging the M-mhers of the Gen-
eral Assembly to vote in favor of these two Bills, I move
the previous questiono''
W. Robert Blaàk: ''I just heard the last part of khat. Al1 those'
, in favor say 'aye', the opposed 'no'.' A11 right thp pxe-) . , . ' ;.: . ' F , :! . . I .
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. vious question has been moved. The gentleman from Cook,
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.. :, .7 . J ;. .. .' Washin' gton: '''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, 1'11 be '
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. . , 7 ; .' '' hvery very brief. I think it is very fitting on this day,
'' w'hich is the anniversarv of the assination of Dr. Martin '
'' i that this great House should rise to the ' 'Luther K ng,
occasion and pay due 'déférence to his life and works.
Wefve heard some excellent remarks about the lffe of Dr.
King, but one phrase that caukht my ear was that used by%% ' ' '
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.yj..6F) j s'r A T E th F 1 u k l #q o 1 S . . .,' *4 L'ïlf HousE oF REPF:E%LMTATIYPE'Sx:.'tl a.;; 'k. . ' . .
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Represenkative Piotrowicz, and if he may excuse me for not
doing-full justice to his remarks, I think he put his
finger on the real crux of what we're talking abouk. Rep-
resentative Piotrowicz said that we're not just honoringone great man who was greatz but what we're honoring is
a travail and the hiskory and the contributions of a great
people in this country. And on that note, ladies and genkl -
men, I ask you'io support House Bill #5 and 46.,'
W. Robert Blair: ''Question is shall these two Bills pass. A1l
those in favor will voke 'aye', and the opposed 'no' and 'l . p
' the Clerk will take two records. Explaination? Have a1l
voted who'wishedz Houlihan... Jim Houlihan 'aye'. Capuzi,
'aye'. The Clerk will take the record. On each of these
uestions the vote is 1l4 'ayes ' . . . . .l5 9 nays ' , each ofq
these Bills having received the constitutional majority. is hereby declared passed. Gentleman from Cook, Mr. .
' ' '' T'alliam Walsh . '' ' ' ' . .
Walsh:'' pMr. speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, the) ' r ... .. . ;. . .
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# '.t x v . . . ' --7 Rules Commnttee this morhing pursuent to Rule l1y adopted. . . ;. . . .. , . . J : .
. 1. . ' 7 . .r . ' . J ' '.: . :' . . é motion to go to a special order of business, which order .: .. . . , . ; : ., . . . ze .
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t ' $, Z # g ye cyjange ah . . . j '. ... b business shall be consideration o a ru. . . .
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' your desk and ah.... Mr. Speaker, I move that we go to ' .
' that order of business.'' ' ' - 'I . ' h
W. Robert Blair: ''Well, ah.... the ah... special order has ' '
been distributed and it is on the Momhers desks, and the.. .. ., . , j'Majority Leader is calling attention of the Members t6 the
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fact that that special order is on their desks. For what
purpose does the gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Hirshfeld
arise? ''
Hirshfeld: nA point of parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.
After we have considered the matter that has just been
brought up by the distinguished Majority Leadere when we
go to the subject matter itself, khat this rule concerns'
itâelf with, namely the Constitutional Amendmentse will .
the Constitutional Amendments be called in the order they ', . .
. .' . .. ,. . . :
are on the calendar?'' ' ' ' ' .ê
. W. Robert Blair: ''We11, ah... that's a couple of places down
' ah... the business. Under the rules ah... every order of
business goes through numerical call énd ah.... that's the
way khat the Speaker would ask the Clerk to gb is we do
get to that this morning. Anybody who doesn't desire to .
have their resolutions called, they may ask that they be
. taken nut of the record when we get Eo them.W ' w '. '
w y, .. & . l . ' .. : ' Q '' Hirshfeld: NThank you, Mr. Speaker.o . ' . ' ':/ ' '
. L . . . .r- . ). j. . , . '.. : . . . .; : : y . -.. . . .. :1 , ; ; . k . : . c . .' W. Robert.Blair: .''ofkay. Now,..oethere has been pui on'yoùr
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' .'. ' the'day, khich was considered by the committee 'on Rules '
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.' khis morning.. That is now on the Momhers dèsksoukAnd .
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. 'there has also been prinked a Supplemental House.calendar,. . . . ' ' .. ; .
. ' which shows the special o/der of the day, bo I will go to' . 2 ' . . ' .t ! '' 1' ' 'that special order of business for deliberaiion by the
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' House at this time. .Now# the Clerk will read the matters. . . . . . . . j . ., . ' .. . ,. .: .
that are listed under the special order. '''' 1. ' .c .1,*': z' '' % .
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Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Resolution 176, W. D. Walsh. WHEREAS,
the Attorney General of the State of Illinois has rulede in
Opinion 5-456, dated May 11, 1972. that Section 4 of Article
XIV of the Illinois Constitution of 1970 is unconstitutional
and void as in conflict with Article V of the United States
Constitution and.....'' .
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Wait a minute. Ah.. for
what purpose does the gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Juckett,
i e? '' ' ' 'r sr
' R. S. Juckettz ''Mr. Speaker, a point of order. Under Rule 73#
b0th Rules 73 (c), (d) and (e), I think, are applicable on
this Rule. And, it says that, 'Rules may be amended only by
Resolution', which this is. And. Section (e) indicates that,
'Resolutions for the Amendments, for the House Rules. for
the Joint Rules may be initiated by the Committee on Rules'.
which I understand this is. And. Rule (d) says that. 'the. . . .... ; j . .
Committèe of Rules....on Rules, when considering Resoiutionsx . . . . . I . . . . $.
under this subvsection (c), which would apply to the House
i 'irementsRules Committee. shall be subject to the not ce requ: . ' ' * ' '
. - ' . , . . ; * ' . . .' . . '
of Rule 18.: Rule 18 is the Posting Resolution which indi-
cates, I believe, six and a half days and I don't recall tha
notice has been given for this Rules Resolution change. My
point of order Ehen tis that we can not take action on this
Resolution because the proper posting has not been made.
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I And thus. there would have to be notice and further delibera
tions . ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, the Chair's ruling on that is that
ah.. the reqùirement ah.. for notice to which you referred
under Section (d) is limited to ah.. the situation described
in the first sentence of (d). And, that is, 'Any Resolution
proposing to amend a House Rule or Joint Rule, which is offe ed. . . . . '.y 1 . . % J ' . I
. by a Member on the floor, shall be referred to the Committee. . 7 . . .. J ' . . . . ' . . ' .. . . . 7.
. , . '. ' ' L. on Rules'. That is not the case here. Ah.. th O is a mattew
. kzltich is coming dizectlk- out of the Rules Contmit *ee an; ah . .. i .
is operative under ah.. Rules-.. under Section'tf) whkch is
a Resolution to amend the House Rulea. A Joint Rule which is
adopted by a three-fifths vote of the Members of the Committ e
on Rules' may be adopted by an affirmative vote of 89 Membersl.''
R. .s.' Juckettz ''We1l# Mr. Speaker, under Section (d). they do. . 1 . ; . ' . ' .
' .' .have two Jecdioïzs and 'alïey do x'ef er, as you so indicaced.. to
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. . . . , )b ended'ohl# by Resolutionsl.'' ;may e am. #.
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, . t5Hon . W. Robert Blair : ''Gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . hea . '' '.
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3j''. G..W. Shea: ''It seems that this morning we met with the House
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. and I heard no objection at that time to the meëting. and
any ah.. objection to postingo'''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ah.. well a11 right. Two points is th ..'
ith regard to the point that you made ah . . that ah. . thew .
literal reading that.. of that last sentence of that section
l is contradictory on its face, and that's the clause with the; . : . . ', . , .w ' * . ' : .
typographical error there where you read (c).. That's suppos. . ! . . . , . : . . . .
'
to be (d). Ah.. the Committee on Rules. 'When considering
Resolutions under this sub-section', and this sub-section is
! (d). not (c). Now, secondly, ah.. the Journal of Pebruary 1,
1973, phows that this matter has been under consideration by
ah.. the Rules Committee ah.. since that time on the Resolution
' by Mrs. Catania- The exact language that's here. and so the
Chair rules that your point is not well taken. ' All right.
The Clerk will continue to read.'Alk'.right. The Gentleman fr m. , ,. .g . k . .. gI i . . . - ' . . . . .. ... Lake . Mr . Deuster . . : ' .f ! D . . - .. . g z . .' .. ,. . . . . . t ..r .. . . j ,. . . . . ; . , . . J' . . ' . t . .. . . . . . . . . J z . k (. .. . ' M' ' . . ' ' > .
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I've been foklowing khe subject with great interest. as the air
knows, and I heard no reference to this subject. However, a a
Member, I suspected what the subject might be. and so I went. y.X... -- .- . s x a ;- v . I4 / .. A. .J
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downstairs and discovered that the subject was indeed what
I suspected it was- Ah.- I don't think I want to proceed
when we're considering the solemn and important Legislative
responsibility of amending theo.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Would you state your point of order?
That's what you're up for.''
D. E.. Deuster: ''Yes, my point of order is that.. is that the
Chair's ruling that ah.. no notice need be given of a meetin
of the Rules Committeeo/''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''That's quite correct. And that's why
we're proceeding on with provisbns of sub-section (d). There's
no notice requirement because it's not a standing hearing
Committee.''
D. E. Deuster: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, I have a further Parliamen ary
Inquiry. I realize that is the position of t%e Chair . now,7 . . . . . . . . .
11 l ' 'at the hour of 10 minutes to one. . a. (L .. .. . , .Hon. W. Roberk Blair: ''We11, we'll meet tomorrow and the néxt '. . . r . . , .. . , . ,. . . ., . !, .. t .k z , . .'.. t . . . . . . . , . t .: . . t: , ., .
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'Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fleck.''' ' '. . i .
. . 1 : . ' . 1.C J. Fleck : ''Ah . - as a question to the Resolution . . '' , : ).,
. ' j , 1' , . : .. 1 . . ' . . . t ' q..q. . .: . . . . l . 9;,.. .' ' ,, ' j. h . ' .Hon. W. Robert Blairz We haven t had an opportun ty to avet .
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it read yet. And as soon as we can get to that. ah.. why =
then the Chair will recoqnize ah.. any other points of order '
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Fredric B. Selcke: ''That Section IV of Arti*le XIV. Ehe Illinois
Constitùlion of 1970 is unconstitutional and voide as with
conflict with Article V of the United States Constitution.
and the pronouncement of the United States Supreme Court,
interpretting the Federal Constitutional prcvision. and
whereas the Attorney General of the State of Illinois..'';
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wait a minute now. Por what purpose/ ' .
'. .
does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Juckett prise?''' ' . . J '
R. s. aucuett: .''Mr-. speakbr, z apprecîated the anformation tha you. . .4 . t .
gave to h:e about Representative Catania's Resolukion
being before the House Rules Committee. I must call to your
attention, Mr. Speaker. that the Resolution that we are deal'ng
with is House Resolution 176. The last Resolution that I ha e
a record of from our date of Thursday. March 22nd of oun .our
. . ' .Journals, shows House Resolution 139. so obviously, House. . . r ? ' . , J.
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does not comply with the Rules. and I again reiterate my poi t.. .; .: . . . ' .
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khat we are acting illëgally as a House of Representatives
by considering that we have not, in regard to Hoœ e Resoluti
176, followed the Rulès of the House.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair; ''The Gentleman from Cook. Mr. B. B. Wolf .''
B. B. Wolfez ''Mr. Speaker, a point of parliamentary inquiry, M .
Speaker. I'm assuming Mr. Speaker, that the House is acting
under Rule 73 (e) on Resolutions for àmendment of House Rule' . .. ' . . .
) : . *. . . . ' - 'or the Joint Rules which may be initiated by the Committee o
x' . ' : t . .. ' i . . . .
Rules. Now, it seems to he that the special order of the da
vhidz: was voted 'c:t by the Rules CouAlttee w-zzen a11 of this
transpired is. as was our Colleague, that the Committee was
proceeding under its Rules properly to consider a œ ecial
order of the day and a Resolution of that Committee which is
permitted under Rule 73 (e), on the initiation. 73 (d). I
have a notation on my Rules of an Amendment which was placed. ' ' ' ' ' ' '
. ' . ' . '. ' ' .
on uhe Rule bef ore the Committee which inserted tlze wcrds. . ' ) ' ' . ' '. . . . . ' J * .
rshall not be subject tp the notite requirements of Rule l8'. ' :! !. , . . . . ; . ' .t ' .'' . ' .. ' Y: 1 : .$ : ) . . . ' . . : . . . .' ..' . . . . .' . . ) . , 1 1...1 < . - ' J . . .' , w . ; .
' with some two nonths so that,.in my opiniony' the Rule... I . 4 ' - . : . .' : r: ' ' . ' ' .. .. . . ' lj )r T'' ' ' ti ? * L ' '' it ' ' * j ' i f ''' .. . ; .z' h. . . . . ' ..t . . f: . ?l$â'!. .., 7;f. ' w . . ., Tf:,,'t. 1 j. . .%* hq' 1 % y. . a..' '. ' ' ' .: )%(.a' ' ', . . . ' . . . , .j . ' . .the'consideration'of this soecial order of the dav and the .
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Hon. W. Robert Blairz' ''All right. The Gentleman from Lake,y . . . . . v . .
. . . : # . . ! ;$+ , ;. ; ' ' .> ,. . . ' .. . k ; ,. . . . .I : . ? .; g . . . .. : . .
Mr. Deustero'' . . ' f. ; . . . , .h :; . , ' w. . ' . 5' .
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D. E. Deuïter: ''Mr. Speaker, the Gentleman on the other side
of the aisle indicated that he had a different set of Rulès
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than what I have. He indicated that there was a word 'not'
in there, and there's not in my printed Rules and I was
wondering what Rules welre going by.. his or mine or ours '1swf
j j ' .or whose.
Fredric B. Selcke: ''WHEREAS the Attorney General of the State
of Illinois has ruled his opinion of S. 571, daked April 2nd.
1973, Section 1, of an act in relation to ratification of
proposed Amendments to the Constitution issued by the United. . .
' .. ! .. . . . . .
. States of America 'enacted by the 73rd Genekal Assembly and ,. . . ' . t L t .. '
a' pproved by the Governor i'n June 25, 1963, as unconstitution 1
and void for the same reason and additional reasons set out
in the opinion. and whereas the Attorney General of the Stat
of Illinois has further ruled in his opinion of April 2nd,. ' .. .
1973, and in our Federal ratification capacity of the Legis-
. lature has been delegated the power to establish the reasona le
standards and procedures for carrying out the ratification. t . . . : $ 1 . 't. : '' ' ' ' ' '
I 'process and that borrowing the use ot extreme standard in. ' ' ' . &
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' aodetermine how .many votes are nêeded to ratify a proposed . ,' ;z 1: ' tj k$ * A vzk' -' .' . ; -!. e ' . j; ; R .: j . :: z.' 't : ; ' ' ' *.;'' '. (h ' ' .. ' ' ) .. .? ' ' T .. lf . lb. . - ' > '' - . . t z ' .'.: ,' . . e .. j . z . ''l , J 4. - z; . : j . ..1 . : . . . . ; ( v x. . .'t (, .. . ' .t.i' .' . , . . ' . q ' .k . s ?2,
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' ' be it resolved by the.House of Representatives, the 78th .';. !l. . .1 . ' . . ..'.# ;,ja . yz ..z .: .)'3 , .J.1 e ' j.1: I.. - . . z ' .
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'General Assemb'ly of the state of Illinois. that House Rule . I. . . . . . .,. . . . :( .. ,, . - , y. . ,q: z . . . . . ..- .A . . . . . .y r) ; . g . . ; T v ..I ; . <. .. - . ,. . . . . . ; e. . . w . *% .w .ë k(;àl .:. . . . : . . .k d as followsz 4z-'''q''Resolution concerning42 is amended to ea ,' . .. . * ' ' ' ' '
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posin an chan e In the Constitu ' ' s j' ' ' r;;'''' ' y . . '. .. ' . <q . .
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or the United States shall be so designated and numbered
consecutively.Rlsuch Resolutions shall be read once in full
d i ned to Coémittiè' in the manner approved providedan ass g
in Rule 3l. (c) Such Resolutions shall be read in full a
second and third time on dirferent days and reproduced and
placed on the Members' desks before the vote is taken on
final passagmvl* No Resdlution proposing a change in the
Constitution in the State of Illinois shall pass except upon
2n affirmative Vote 0f'.1D7 Menber-' (e)No Resolution proposihgS. .
a change in'the Constitution of the United States including
a ratification of a proposed Amendment shall pass except
an affirmative vote of 89 Members. (f) Provisions of this
Rule may be suspended oqly upon an.. upon an affirmative vot
of 107 Members.'' '
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.:'
Yes, ah.. correct that. The ah.. Sponsor of the Resolutions
is Mr. Katz, and not Mr. William Walsh, as indicated by the
Clerk. Right?'' . .
H. A. Katzz ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hou e,
d is whether or not 'the question that we have before us to ay
the interpretation that necessarily has to be made in the '
absence of binding court decisions regarding matters of the
constitution and the laws cf the United States and Illinois.1.
are to be made by each of us individually in our individualzzV A ., '
'-, . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y '
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capacity as Legislators. Now whether or not we will follow
the opinions that are fo/mally handed down by that public
official elected by the people of Illinois to serve in the
capacity as legal advisor tonall of the public of' ficials of
the State of Illinois. Now, I understand that it is the pce'lion
pf some .o f 'the Members of the General Assembly that the
' - opinions that'iihave been handed down by the Attorney General. . . . -. -, .. , . . . . .. - , . . , . . . . . . , . .'
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., . .',' of Illinois are not in their opinions accurate legal opinion. .'.. . . . : ' ::. ' ,
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' reflecting the true state of the Law on the question of the. ' . a . . . . . .. r' . ' '' ! . .
' ' ratification of Amendments to the Federal Constitution.
. ' Briefly I would say to you that it really begs the question
Xto argue the merit of àn individual opinion of the Attorney'
. General. Because there is not a lawyer in the House here
' ho could not make strong arguments on large nl'mhers on. ., . w. $ .
' '' of matters that are of public laws arguing persuasively each
. . . . A 1 r 1 ..': .
'' . . i'way' . 'rhe fact is that the Attorney General in his of f icial
. . ? $ . ) ; ù J. L r . : . . ' . !i ' ' . ' . ''t . D ' ' $ ' e'''q' c . ':'t t >'. capacity' as Attorney General has ruled upon the precise issu. z. ': 'i i. . .... 'y'' ' .'l . k ' ', . . '. 2 . ' . , . j ! . .. , -1 . . h. , .. .k .. ., . )-(: . y. tq .r 4 ..jt jr . -'..! r; 2j;. -a .(. jgt ? .$ s, , z- ., r; !, ! t)- ;;.k ï ; ;L.-.i .r' ;h5#q. w.q . . - u .y:. j. . : , q s. . .. . .- c.. . -q, . . - ,. .. . . - . .., . .' g q: -'. . kp r - - . Cs' .; J'h!l . . , ; 2 . l ) . . ; -k; . .. h J . ., ., - , ; ).. u .- $..11 ï-. v . - v : . . - .. c. . zpr .. .. .6 . , J2 ' ';, y .* ' T '' ' l . ' Un. s . ' ' 1 e ' . ,. Ly > . r ' ' ' ' , . ' .z&' -' ' ''''&C J J Vthat. is bef ore us - '. . And ' that t i s 's u e ié what vote is requir d. ' . . d: . w . ' , . . ,. .a . .
.' . , ' ? ' 'k-d: 'tî.: i.'t .; t';'.f;j y r' .) . ! ta: '..( C .'..t ù '; '...,. .. .. . / , '- .jpi. $:.'. . @;' er %:t.. . ' ' . ? 'f . ' . * . . : . 'I , % . .. . ' . .. , :':L. q. ,( .:: . . . . ; ( j ,.. ,' .. .. . : r . .. . . T;z .J' e : T : , sr. . . . ' ' d . . . . . . . . .
' ''l'Z to' 'ratify 'a Federal constitution Amendment. 0ur Rules. as. ,f, 1.11-
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,..s,. . . .. . : p .;;. s. ,
.. . . . !. .. , . ,: . . . ; . z ., L ., I . k . ,. ' . 7 t- . m ;. , tadopEed earller thls yeare..provide for lo7 votes. It was,'
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. '' aadopted, I might add, wikhout discussion. But upon reflecti n
. . k j J :;. ' : , l . e ' . .. : ; . . . j . .r' the Members of thié Committee believe that the cause of Gov-.1 ' ( , . x . .
- ' . i # ! y . . .. : . '' ' t i' .., '. . (' : .. 2 :. . , !. .. . . l. b'rnmental regularity requires that we accept the opinions of
: , . . : ' . . , .. . . z . . ' ; . ; t .. . .. j * ; . .J ' ', . . . . 1 l . t . , , . . .the officially elected Attorney G-eneral of the State of Illi ois
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until such time as the High Courts of this State and of
the Nation have ruled upon that precise point. The question
basically involved'is the question of whether or not in-
determining ratification of Federal Constitutional Amendment
each State is free to prescribe its own procedures or whethe
it is a matter of Eederal Law. I would say that the Attorne
General has in suppork of his position two very skrong decis'ons. . (.x. . . ' ' . . . '
.v . . . . N : ... J ..of the United States' Supreme court. The'first such decisio ,
. . . . . . .2 . .
Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House/is a deci ion
of the United states' Supreme Court in 1920. dealing with th
question of ratification of the p ro hibi'ti'o h.' amendment t: '
tikution, and i couple of sentences from that opiniôthe Cons
indicates very clearly that the Supreme Court has, in fact.
' passed upon that issuek And I quote from that decfsioh, 'it. ' ' ' ;' 'J' ' ' '
'. . 1.1 f 'is true that the power'to legislate in the enactment of the
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laws of the State is dérived from the people of the State,. * : ' ' .
but the power to ratify.a' propose'd Amendment to the rederal'% '' ' ' ' 1' k ' ' ' * ' ' ' ' ' ': . . . j . . ,j f. . .( . x ' . : .. j . q '( . d a k . . . . x. . .. . . . . $ . : ' . x . . ' - . e: : .. ' . I z 2 . ) . . . ( . . A ' ' ' 4 .? ': . .2 . ' . '. . .,. ' constitition has a sta/t in the Federal constitution. The .
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w . b . ; . 4 * ' ' u - . '; . . . . . > .x. ' . l .. . . . . .z . : . :act of ratificatton.by:.'the state derives 'its authority from
the eederal constiEuti6n to which the State and iEs people' . . . . .. . ; . -- '' ' : ' i ' . . , ' '. . . t ': . . , . . !: .'( ,.4 . ' : j . ' . s, . . ; . . .. . ,. ,s . a ,
. ' ..s . .. . . . 2 . .
have' a right assentdd-' .And the cn'- naa sy.lhad any other view. . .. ..k . . .. J . u . '' . . . .' rl'knl.''1L. .. ; . ' . .. .
might lead .to endless confusion in the matter of ràtificatio. . ) 1of Federal Amendments-' The Attorney General states also a
second unfted states' supremeîkcourt decision dealing also wi h
z''-.z' Qx . G E N g R A ja A g g ; M g ja y. %% 1x . ve j * . . l T A. T E o F I L u I M C, 1 sï
.:;, '5t * . F' * . . . E o F n E F: R E s E N T AY I V CES ' ' .& JU . N O kl S .x. VJ 1.... e .
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this precise question bf whether or not the process of the
Amendment of the Federal Constitution is to be governed by, . : '
Federal or State Law. And he cites an opinion of the United
States' Supreme Court in Lesser vs. Donette in which Mr.
Justice .Randiàe, one of the great scholars' of the court
' said. 'the second contention is that in the Constitution of
several of the 36 states named in the proclamation of the. .. . . , . . . ' ., jj g) .. . ., .. . . . ' . . , : , . . s . . . . , . . .. . .n . - ;. yl ..e. . .
Secretarv of State, there are provisions which render in-l *'' - . .
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. ' operati/e the alleged ratification by their Legislatures.ê
' t* e argumenk is. by reason of chesu specifio privàsions,
the Legislakures were without power to ratify. but the funct on
' of a state Legislature/Mr. Justice Randise said, 'in ratifyi g
an Axendment to the Federal constitution like the function o
Congress in proposing the Amendment is a Eederal function
' derived from the Federal Constitution. And it transcends.' , : , ' d . ,
' 1 of tke state/' any limitations so Eo be lmposed by the peop e
. . 1 , . ' . : g ) .. . ' . ) ) f . . ' ' ' '. . . I . ' . t ' ' ( ' . 3. ; . . . . , . . ,. . . ' ê $ ' '' '
. , And thus, the Attorney,General concludes, that the provision, .. , ... i.. .. . . . .. '' ..' t ..i , . .. . , . ç. : . J. : ) , . . ' . . . - ? ;! . : . ' . ' '. .. * ' t s:ç ) :: 1.:. ' . ' ... . .. k îz t . ; ' z . 5 , '' .t? 2/è f': ('ïïf , .. *y.% - . ' k 'j . t s : ' w . ' ' ' ' ' '' . )' '
.. * % 1. ' l 1 ' ' ' .. . ;) -. . .. I . ; . ;. . ez -. ' ...' :, .'..
''t./'.of .the Illinois constiwtion that provide. f or 107 votes requi ed. . . % , f. 'J ' ( :' 1 . ' ' * $ . ' ' ' T'lk . .::. jhj %. ..' . , . .'. r . z . . IF - . , .. , ,. ' . : , ) ! .' . . r ! .. l : I .g., ., ' .' rfg 1. v i.. ., kl, ; 1 , .' .e / ; . ' . . . . . . . !. . . ! . . . . . . .' . '.. ' * J Jz ' -,1 ' % ' ' ' ' ' J ' a ç' ' . . ,a. ' ' ' ' :1 ç' j'N' $4 :: I .; ij * ' '' '.#z. & j .$ : '(J. ; . ' ' ' ' ' . ' ' ' ' 'J ' r ' ' ' ' .' . t ? * : . ' ' ' l . . ' ' 5 2, ' . 1 : < . . ' : . ' ' ' j . '
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'.:'.a',for 'the ratif ication of .the Federal Constitution are inopera ivev ( .;) , :' ' . .
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' 1,. .: .'. . ... : k') .,.? 1) ..)t:7ak 2.1:,' :;,4: ' ï 6 :; f/j:' ) 4) i6,%.u $,15.' f k,:.' . ': '. 4 . tZèt.)x;'r' '; ;à r '? ;; ' ', , - ' . . . ; z . . .-.. . . , ' .1- ' . ' ' . .'. . J . . z . .g . f . ., . . . z h .i: $.r. ' ! , , . . . .
- ''d 'tb''the fact'that it is not a matter of Illinois law invo ved. . ue
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. : i, / ' û ' . . .. . . . '' but a matter'rf Pederal law. And the supremacy clause of th. . . ; c ; . ;. . . .. . . ,: .
. ; .t . ; , . t ,:Feaeral constitution transcends any provisions of state 1aw' . . ' $ , . .2 . . . ' . j' .:) ' . .u . f ' . . , ... . . , ; . j'.statuatorv or conititusional and hence, 89 votes is required ,
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Now it is not' my purpose to just.ify or not the opinion of th
r si .' ' q . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y I;' ( - N.u.....*: e- s v. .v s o p. , u u , .# o , s ' ' ' ' i
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Attorney General. I cited, however, the opinions of the ' :n.
United States' Supreme Court. so that this House. and the
Members of the general public would know that the Attorney
General had, in fact, stopped and cited the United Stateà.l.r ) . ..
Supreme Court opinions in his rulings, which rulings very '
clearly indicate that the provision of the lllinois -
Constitution is not operated as it relates to the Federal
'. constitutional Amendment. Accordingly. believing as I do, ''
. ? . . . .. . . 1 ....! . ...> G ' . .. l ' . .. . A 1 . . . . .7 . )' ) . à . ' : t C ' ' . .. . : yj . ' ' . ' . ' '. .F . . .' ' ' 'a xn''following procedures that lead to regulàrity in the Gener l' L . . . ' 'k l e . . . . . ... . . f . . . c . . .. ..u ( j ) g . : . . . . .
.....XA' ssenb'ly, believing as I do, thac it cuuld only lead to chao' .' ' b. z ' '.1: . / . : '. . .'. .C- @ y '. u . .
. r.if l7,'7 ,Members of the House, each preceded along his own wa .' ; - z ..t . . . ..s: 't -''. . . . : .. z .
'k ' . . .' ; ... .t.'g'' ' ' l ing upon the opinion of the Attorney General- rather than re y .
. ' . t ' ; k. ' . . 't t * .d t l A; : ;.. . . . ''-'.k.The Rules Copmkttee proposes. here today an Amendment to the
House Rulestb* carry out the opinion of the Illinois Attorne# I ï. ' m . ' . .
1 1 ing Federal Substitive Laws to i he precise poi tvGenera , app y: ; . . j .. . .' '. y . ..j . . .'L' ïnvolved. namely what' majority is zequired to ratify Amendme ts.:'. .()1. ',.'' ..(jtm. ; ' , ' . . . . . . .. : . . . . .. : . . !,. . . . . . . . :. J .. w I ' ' -
' . s-uto.the Federal Cdnstitution. The Attorney General.says that- . . ;; . . <!E1!' .. ..s %... , . g . . !. . . . . . . . . .' ' . ' ' .? * ' - ' . i.7 .t *k*')'Y . ' e . . t ' ' .' ' '; :. : . k , . $ ' . - . , . .., ' , K'. . .' a .' : k .- . . ' . . d . . ' j . ' - r .' . ' ' : .. .. , u .. , fu. .p t . ih x;. r ; . t . .. )'''t f . . ; ., . . . . ! . . . , . . . .: : .. . . . - . : . .+ ... - k J. s ! . .' >' ' .:.: . ,-
' z.;>'l07 Tvqte provision of the Illinois Constitution is not opera edt. f. : . f .. .. . . . . . . . . . i.& .' :,.g.. ;. .!' . . . . .7) ,,,r.'j.. .# ..,,4.,.'7. . n;;à . t 'a j .j'),,kv .t. . L. rt, : z( ,.. '.! ;%: . , . k .. , r, .t. ., j., . - . . , .2.. .z,.y .. . ., .
, k .. . .. ... .
.. . ,( . , . . q.. m - . . .. . .. t-,:.y .' . xc-t-.ti..fs.h;,:, t ,. ,y ,.!. c, ?J-. - .)I it. ' -,- . k . - - -- , T g .- . . ,: . -:- . . .- .. . .:'- , tt .- ..,.tz ' '. - I '. ; .' ' '.' Llkas b4ing in èonf lict with Federal Laws . M d tha purpose of e
. ) .;. 1 ' ' . . . . . . ... . - . . JJ (. ,-f t'i r.ijttt. .:.,- ., -i. . . . .- . . . l'.:.:.g 4.. - . . - . . . ; , . .. . t .: , , . .: . . : . . : . ... .,...... . .. , . . .
.., t ... - . . .,. t v ': ). ytt...t 'tjz. .'r . . . . E- . . . . s . ,.;.. . . . î z . u. . . . ';j, î..2 yjj . li/!.a a.! zs: 1. ' , L , ;--.' . , ' e f ' .' . ' ' . . . .' - :d. the opinion of the Attorney Gen ral.. a Rules .is simply to carry out' )( f'ik$;',: . :. yy Jkzî;' jiikku ,/4. ..! , ,' ,.u - #. ' -. . --. .. -' ' k w L.. . . . t . . . . . . '. . - . . .
. . . . . . I < till LAb ' '!4j ;; S7h.aye ;.:i' :r. . .y. h : ' *.' , ' i . . . : . . .. .,'. . , .. : . . ; : v, . . . . ..... , . . ; . . . / ' . . v ..7.7-..% . .k . p '*' ' h ttorney General Wi11 have e ery. 'Thèse who do not agree with t e A
. z j. . . ... . . - - . ( . , . , ' ' . . . ..- , . A<%W. x k ... L. 1 .. ..o . . . '. . . - , J , ,. . . . . .r. l.e . f)T-. t .1 '.x$ )z .1 . ' . ' J ' . -- . , . . ; . -x. ut'Qrig-ht' to litigate this issue in the courts. But in the mean imei r -g J . .A * . . . '
t , '' . . :. . . ' '. 's J t.p ' . : . ' . .' it is necessarv that we have a stable situation 'in which we an
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fzaook.t'o the duly elected official Attorney General of Illino's. .. 7 . k . . '.. -. .
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for guidance as to the law of Illinoisy and not rely upon
' the individual opinion of l77 or more different legal
minds and different people who have different interpretations.
Accordingly. it seems to me. that this Resolution which wasN
a substitute Resolution, to one that had proposed a simple
majority. (this Resolution requires a Constitutional majorit ),
it's something that can be supported by a11 who believe in
' -a'syvtem by which the people of the State elect their Attorn. J ' .1l f ' w: *.. ' : l ' L ' ' ' '
. . : ,l& r . i' l :. .. . . ,. ' ' .. ': . f ( .. Generak. It happens that the Attorney General, Mr. Speaker,
j! . , . < . . I t . ' .
. is 'from a' different party than mine. but I respect the right
of any officially elected Attorney General to enter legally
binding interpretation pending the right of any citizen to
contest that interpretation duly in the courts of this State.
And if ultimately their view prevails, and if ultimately the! .' . '
high courts of the State and the Nation concur that the: : . . '
. , ! ' . # .' . ', ' . ' , . .' hf'itkbrney General is wrong, that will be tha time that we wil
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y a a oquer vie. ' . Ye Called upon EO follow some other vo ce an som .. . .. . . . . .' . .% 1 (r j , . . .; rt j 1 .; q. ; . ) . . . ' '! . - . ' , .r . . . . i I t T,jJ ! ': ,' ' n-'t' . c : .. 1 ! . . . .: ! 1 ' . ..'. .,.i'- -t:, t'e. ql . r .. , . t , t . , ;,. , p - ;. . -. . ,..: l , ,. . . . . ,. .. . ' . d . .. ' ... . 4. - ; . :. t!; . , .''';'. '..''.- Bvt.in the meantime, Mrr speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of th st . .t. . ' q . :1,1, )' ' ;$ ! .. .' , ç . ' . . 2 . ; :t, , . .1 , ' .!. .;. .. ! ij..-. . .. . ' . ,? .. . . . . . .. . : . .t3') :C j ? ?/ k2.. t' ! $;' *i :) ; .. ,- ... t .k ' . ' .d - : . .. t e .z.. . . .
' , ç . .,:1 2 7 ' -! !' . . ' ' r ' , i ' ': - î . .. 'J.:t'House.' : democtatic regularity with a small 'd '. requires that-
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. '?'.,vé follow .the opinion of the Attorney General of Illinois.. ' . ' . 4, . . , ... ; jh !.'? ' ti'') .. JJ . ' .. . l . . - t '. . . : : ' ' . ' . .' ;. . . . . . ' . ' - 'e. '. , . ! . u ) . .::)t; k:j , t ': , ,, ; l . .. : . . , . . .' . .2 ' k :I1 , !', ; . - . . ' ' '' .71 Tha: :is the purpose of this Rules change, and I urge itsC'lli , ,2,, I i '.*1:: , ' - .
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I often thought thak the General Assembly was a Body of
laws and rules and not a body of men. What wedre dealing
with here, is just exactly what the Attorney General's opini
said on page 5. What he says. 'The issuez.here is one of
power.' And that's exactly what we're dealing with here--
Power. The question, truly, is whether this House is going
to suspend the Constitution of the State of Illinois. Now
the previous speaker brought up alot of Supreme Court Decisio s.
and mumho-jumbo of the Federal Constitution. Well. let's lo
at it. And let's discuss what I consider a very political a
specious opinion issued by the Attorney General who has been
a friend of mine for sixteen years, but we happen to disagre
here, and most lawyers, I think, would disagree with his rul' g.
The Federal Constitùtion provides that any Amendments offere
to amend the Federal Constitution requires 75% of the Member
. of the Congress to pass such a proposed Ameniment. Excuse m .
66%. The Conskitytion further goes on and says that an k
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' extraordinary majority of 75% of the State must ratify anyt * . ' - '& : t . l . 4r * ' .zproposed Constitution. The State of Illinois has a Constitu ion.
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of b0th House's are required to ratify any proposed Constitut' na1
Amendments to the United states' constitution. Let.s diseuss
the Resolutions before us and let's look at Attorney General'
scottes poor poor opinion. His opinion is basically 21 pages
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long.. 22 pages long. There ar# two issues presented to him.
The first issue is whethar a Legislature can delay action in
ratifying any proposed Constitutional Amendment to the Unite
Statei' Constitution. He spends 21 and l/2 pages of his opi ion.
trying to explain away why we can't require an extraordinary
vote. He explains the first issue away that we cannot delay
his action, because Congress in the Federal Constitution say
that a11 ratification of proposed Constitukional Amendments
will be acted upon by the General Assemblies of various Stat s.
That's a11 it says. The Supreme Court decision. which the
' previous Speaker alluded to, dealt with the issue that there
was a further condition that' he submitted to the voters for
a referendum. The Federal Constitution said nothin' about '
They said the Legislature determines if we'rereferendums.
in to ratify these Amendmentsz The quest/on of l07 orgo g
89 votes to ratify was, you talk about begging the question.
he really begs the question in his so-called legal opinion.
. zn .1/2 page in which the' flurry of a fast-writing pen of one. ' : ' I . . . '
k of his assistants, he simply says that the, in basic, Yecaus
.1 ùelped, that the delay of acting on a Constitutional Amend ent
violates the Federal constitutione I'm also going to hold th t
the Legislature can't require an extraordinary vote.' Now. i .
d ludicrous and unreasonableseems to me absolutely insane an
that if the Federal Congress requires 66% to ratify.. to pro ose jz-v. ./4 .*3* G E N E R A L A SS E M B L Y/ q '%. . dj--.à 1 v s o p , u u I ,1 ., s .t svxh. . ' .
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and pass a Constitutional Amendment, the Federal Constitutio
requires 75% of the Sister States of this rnion to ratify
the proposed Amendmente then if we come along and only reque t
60% to ratify, that we aren't unreasonable and I think its
the height of lunacy to use the Attorney General's opinion
to stand on as a legal precedence. Therees alot of other
lawyers in this Chamber. I don't think the Attorney General
is God. When I was sworn into office, I was sworn into offi e
to uphold the Constitution of this State. And the Constitut'on
of this State is qufte clear. tt says that it requires 3/5' vote of the House and the SenaEe to ratify proposed Constitu ional
Amendments to the United states' constitution. Now. if we'k
going to play the issue of power, let's be open and forthrig t
and play the issue of power. But let's not play around with
the rules and the guidelines that we're suppdsed to be run b .
Weere trying to suspend the Illinois Constitution and we're ot
tryins tO Chanie àhy rules Of the House. And to use this
opinion. I think is probably the funniest excuse for suspend ng
any rules that I've seen, to date. I urge every Member of
this Body anà I'm not a proponent or opponent to the Amendme t
which we're going to be dealing with. I'm not even sure I'm
oing to vote on it. But I know one thing. That we shouàd(J
be guided by laws and rules, not by whims, caprice. and powe .
And that's exactly what we're doing here now, and I urge eve y
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Member to stand by the Rules, to stand by the Constitution
of this Statee and to stand by their oath and forget the
Attorney General's opiniono'' .
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Hanahan.''
T. J. Hanahan: ''Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House, my
objection to this Resolution is based on many reasons. One
of which, I haven't seen this so-called opinion of the Attor ey
General ah.. that was ruled yesterday called S.'.57l. Nobody
has provided most of the Legislature here with his opinion.
' I'd like to know what it was based on: and whye and who requ sted
it. The Governmental Body, the Agency which requested it to
the Attorney General to rule on this question. Number 2, it
seems like political expediency to me that all of a sudden t at
we're a Body of m'en instead of a Body of rules and law. A1l of
a sudden, for whatever' reason, we are to dro/ everything e1s ,' drop a11 the peoples' business in this State, persons who ar
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worrkingaabout the Appropriation or tax reliefe or all the o her.
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legal questions that are brought before this Body, to rule
' on a Hodse Resolution 176. that at best. at best, is trying
to implement a change in the Constitution ôf the State of
Illinais. I don't.. I suggest this. That with the twherease '
ah.. in the quotations in the House Resolution 176, that it
is a phony opinion by a man who, a year ago, ruled on a ques
tioh requested by a state senator, on the opinion of whether -
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. or not the House of Representatives and the State Senate
would have to have an extraordinary amoûnt of votes for
ratificationa.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''One minute, please. The Gentleman from
Cook. Mr. J. J. Wolf arise.''
J. J. Wolf: ''We11. Mr. Speaker. it seems to me that discussing
ah.. a proposal to amend the Constitution of the United States
or to suypend the State of Illinois Constitution is very
important, and I can't hear. And I wonder if we could get t e
door keeper to cz.ear o'zt. every'body who is not a Menber of e.h ' s
House, including the side aisle. so we can hear everything t at
is going on-''
Hon. W. Robert Blaik: ''Al1 right. Ah.. the ah.. A1l right.
Let's take a minute here and ah.. clear the ah.. the door
keepers clear the ah . . halls on each side of the Chamber
and ah . . thcse person: tlnat are nsnt ctntit 1ed 1-c tlke Floor '
' will ah.. please ah.. remove themselves. And ah.. A11 right.
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T. J. Hanahan: ''We1l. Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House, 1' lik
to reiterate the fact that for political reasons possibly a
candidate for State office, a Constitutional office, for
. political reasons made an opinion to.. to honor votes by
a segment of our society, that he thought was necessary in or er to
enhance his chances of re-election, and that was the opinion
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that the State Constitution that some of the various pro-
ponents of the Bill that we're going to hear later, if this
Resolution passes, that the very proponents of the new
Constitution proudly went around the State saying khat we
need a new Conskitution, and full well knowing that in that
Constitution called for a 3/5 vote for ratification of a
United States' Constitutional Amendment. I suggest that
political expediency is not the name of the game, that
deliberation is the name. And the whole question should
. be put down with the resounding 'No' vote and this cha nge
of the Rules so that if the people of the State of Illinois
by refresentative government want to ratify the constitution lAmendment whatever it shall be@ it shall be by a deliberati e
process, not rushed through with changes and rules, not put
down our.. our State Constitution by whatevet means, by opin ons
of any individuals, but by logical, <easonable approaches. ow
the fact remains that we are going to pomehok chang, the
state Constitution by a majorit'y vote of this Floor. I doub
if it could be done. I think what m u're doing is offering
to the'cour:s of ehe state of Illinoo questions that will ha e
djudicated years and years to Come. If I were a pro- ito be a
onent f or the Equal Rights M endmer!t , I ' d want to f ollowP
the dictates of the Constitution so that I would know I'm
right when I pass it. not to allow a phony change in the f+. A
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rules, a phony opinion to be allowed to be perpetrated on
the audience here or in the newspapers around the State.è.
> That this.. I credit the Attorney General with pol. . politic 11expediency, nothing mora. The whole issue should go up or
down on its merit.'àw Ei th i n the provisions of the State
j Constitution which calls for a 3/5 voke, and I so urge theP'
defeat of this Resolutiono''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. Lady ah.. from ah.. Cook, Mrs.
Cataniao'' . '
S. Catania: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of personal pri-
vilege. My name was mentioned some time ago in debate. I
would just like to point out that I did present my Amendment
to the Rules Committee.. I think on Februaryzlst-''
. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Calvoo''
H. Calvo: ''Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.
I've'been trying to get the Floor for first for making a. ' . 7 ' .''* . '
. parliamentary inquiry.. I.. this may-have been madee but. I
/ never could get an' answer to it. At leaète I couldn't hear. ' ' '. ' . t, ' zx C ' ( t ': . . ' '' ' . . . . . ' ' . l . . '
it. I think the question was askede or: the point was raised. ' .. . ; ).. . 'i '. . , . ' : ' ' J. . . ' .'' j '
that this Resolution appeared today apparently as a work of
the Rules committe'e, and that we're now considering it for
passage. What I was wondering is.. is how we got there if..
If the Rulas Committee can bring a Resolution ine under Rule
73, by a 3/5 vote, and then have it considered. it would app ar'' . GENER AL ASSEM BLYç 1- ! .t
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to me that the ah.. Cities and Villages Committee could
draft a Bill by 3/5 vote, bring it to the Floor and have
it considered on Second Reading without ever beinq ccnsidere
by a Committee. Ah.. if this is the posture we're in, I thi
we should a11 know it. And what I'm wondering is when a Res -
lution is first introduced, if it ah.. doesn't take 107 vote
to have immediate consideration.n
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right. The Rules Committee ah.. me
this morning. and pursuant to Rule 73-E whieh provides that
Resolutions for Amendments to House Rules or Joint Rules
may be initiated by the Committee on Rules. The Committee
ah.. did.. ah.. pass ah.. by a 3/5 vote of the Committee.
Ah.. This Resolution which is before us.. and ah.o.there
Nas ah.. aua Supplemental Calendar then printed, and ah..
the Rules Committee. pursuant to the Rules, a'dopted a specia
order of the day, which does not takenh-action by the House. N
to ah- ah.. ah.. establish that special order'of the day.
once that 'ah-/happened, ah.. and the Supplemantal Calendar
ah- is ah.. printed. mh.. the Resolutions ma.. may then.
be placed under that special order of the day: and the
Speaker moved to that special order of the business ah..
for consideration of that Resolution. Now. there's no
notice requirement with regards to Resolutions that are
initiated by the Committee on Rules itself in ah.. ah.. wher
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we have proposals from the Membership with regard to changin
the Rules. There are notiee provisions required conuerning '
that. That is.. that is operating under Rule 73. The '
Gentleman from Madiscn, Mr. Calvo.''
H. Calvo: ''Mr. speaker, then if I might speak very briefly to
this issue..',
Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''You certainly may. Sir.''
H. Calvoz ''Ah.. The Attorney General's opinion, which I under-
stand is the reason we're eonsidering the Resolution attemptj .
' ko avoid a portion of our Illinois Constitution. I under-
stand the Illinois Constitution to provide that it takes a
' 3/5 vote to ratify a U.S. Constitutional Amendment. Now,
I think really the body in this State that is going to be
able to make that decision is the Supreme Court of the State
of Illinois. and four of those seven judges have already
indicated through telephone conversations this morhing, that
this cannot be done. That you can't by an Attorney Generdl's
* i ' Body throw out a provisionopinion ah by 89 votes of th s
of the Illinois State Constitution. And I think every Membe
of this House should take that into consideration on voting
on this Resolution. Thank youo''
Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from ah.. Lake, Mr. Deust r.''
'. k r and ah.. Ladies and Gent 'e-D. E. Deuster: Ah.. Now Mr. Spea q ,
men of this House'y'l would like to ah/. refrèsh the recollec
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tion of each and every one of you. Ah.. for many of us
who sought this High Office as a Representative of the peopl
of the State of Illinois , we. had to run long and hard. We
had to spend money. We had to go out and see the voters.
And what an exciting and thrilling day it was, Mr. Speaker,
when each one of us'.assomhled on January 10th in this Chnmhe
and raised our hands. And I would like to remind every Memb r.
male and fenale, on every sideoof the aisle, what you said.
Each of us said we would support the Constitution of the Sta e
of Illinois. I've carried a.u a worn copy of this Constitut'on
with me to campaign meekings and everywhere I go and people
ask me what's in it, and I think I know. Ah.. most every
Member can read the plain language that's in this Constituti n
of the state of Illinois. And that language in Article XIV.
and Section = . simp?.y salrs, and I quote, 'The affirmative
votes' of 3/5 of the Members elected to each House of the. .: .
oeneraz Assembly sùazl se required to .ratify a proposed'. 1 ( : . q . . .. c t, . ! , 2 x. . i .. . 'e'- u.. ' .
, â' . *. .t. ' .'' '' Amendment to the constitution of the United states-' Now
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it mar.,be there's some xembers that said. -.well, when I* .: ' . J , * . :
tobk my oath of office, I didn't mean all of this. I justt ;
meant that part of the Constitution that was pleasing inL' ,
my sight-' Now, we are men and women of honor. And I think
we a11 meant it when we' said we would support the Constituti n
of the state of Illinois and of the United States. Now, Ip FTA '
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' have this Reaolution which refers to two Attorney General
opinionso; one opinion. S. 571, and one opinione s. 456.
I also have on my desk, Mr. Speaker, and Members of this
House, a third opinion by the same Attorney General. The
same Attorney General of the State 'of Illinois has issued
three individual different opinions on this subject. I have,
for the purpose of trying to bring some clarity into this.
marked them 9A' 'B' and 'C' I would like to askkeach# e *
and every Member of this House. when you took your oakh of
office on January l0Eh and swore to uphold the Constitution,
did you swear to uphold it as interpretted by opinion 'A ',
or opinion 'B' or opinion 'C'? I think you took an oath#
of office to support that Constitution as it's written until
some court tells us that it's invalid and ought to be thrown
in the trash can. And I would like to close by saying this.
Mr. speeker, I bope that tomorrow morning every single Membe ,
maleEand fehale, when he and she looks into the mirror to' . . e . . '
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shave or put on his.. her face or lips:ick, that Member will. 2 , : . . :. .. .- ..
' say. 'yes, I'm an honorable persono' Politics is a question. . . .. 1 . '
of making your word be your bond. And when you said you wi1
support this constituiion. what did you mean? Because the
favorite subject of yours vas coming along the trach. and yo' !
wanted to deal with it. you wanted to adopt it the easy way.
you threw the Constitution of the State of Illinois in the
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I - .trash can. I don't think we're going to do that. I think
wefre going to stickwiththe Constitution of the State of
Illinois and reject this Resolûtioh.z'. Thank you, Mr. Speak r.
Rep. K. W.' Miller- .u ''The Genkleman from Kankakee, Mr. Beaupr .''
J. R. Beaupre: '%œ . Speaker. I rise on a point of personal
privilege.''
Kep. K. W. Millqr- : ''State your pointa''
J. R. Beaupre: ''About a half an hour ago. I heard someone
mention the fact that this very thing that we are debating,
the opinion of the Attorney General. has hot been plaeed
before us. I understand that it was given by *he Attorney
General on April 2nd. Ah.. if we are going to debate the
issue of whether or not the opinion is valid, it seems to
me that we ouqht to have an opportunity to take a look at it.
And I would ask yèu to see the copies of that opinion are
distributed so that we might without taking an emotional
approach or whether deciding this very very important issue,
based upon Whether Or nOt We Want to accommodate the gallery.
' Ah.. I would suggest that we get copies of that opinion befo e
us. I would like to have oneo''
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Duff, is
recognized.''
B. B. Duffz ''Mr. Speaker, I have the greatest respect for the
Attorney General of Illinofs, and in fact, I rise to his
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. dèfense in terms of motive. I am sure that he has proposed ';
1' to us his opinion in the best of attitudes. And I have the
Cwgreatest respect for the spirit in which this Resolution is
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hand, who feel that it should stand as a more abiding guidev ' . .
r. .and protect in principle the minorities of many attitudes ..
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. by requiringconsensus, '
and not merely majorities. Let us .': . .. . . .. . ' r
'., . . .' not confuse. as I am afraid many have today. the emotions .
' related to the Cqual Rights Amendment which will be before
' us later. I am going to vote for that Amendment and I am'
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, ' going to speak for it if necessary
. But the principle at' '' '
stake in this Resolution is the protection of the Unitedl ..
' 'State's Constitution. and not my ppinion or any one proposed,
. .., uAmendment. My fellow Representative from the First Dist- c ..
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majorit .'.' Rep. K. W. Miller: ''Just a moment. Mr. Dùff. Let's get a litt e
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day when the protection of consensus and Constitutional7
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Amendmants will be urqently before us and perpetuhtly on
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soma issue of parkicular interest to your linority that' y %
you would represent. In the history of our C
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of our State this had happened frequently. To reduce the 89''î ' and then to lock in
, as this Resolution does, that 89 with'
. 107 votes is a contradiction of parliamentary intent. I thi
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. that even though I do support E.R.A. this is confused withg
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this tmportant Ccnstitutional issue and this Resolution shou d? not pass-''
> Rep. K. W. Millerz ''The Gentleman from Peoria
. Mr. Day, is( ',
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'k R. G. Day: ''Well
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House, the issue Xefore us at this time, is not the E.R.A.' .
j .It ' s the Cor. sti''zuèion of the Stata of Illinois . And when
the s'ponsor explained this Resotution. he did not attempt to. ' I
kell you that tha Akkorney General was basing his opinion
...'of an''iinterpretation *f the Illinois State Constitùtion.
This is not kha usual case where he is called upon to interp et
the Illinois Constitution. What the Attorney General has
séid in his opinion is that the Illinois Constitution is-
tinvalid. I submit to you that it's fundamental; that no
Governmental official who holds his office by virtue of
the provisions of the Illinois Constikution has a right to
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invalidate the documents which put him in office. There are
al1 kin* of precedents to eskablish the fact that there is
a presumption alwayp, a presumption in favor of the validity
of a Constitution. The Constitution. adopted in 1970. came
hfrom khe people of khis State, and it created the Government
and provided the framework for the Government for the State
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of Illinois. And we serve under that Constitution, and I
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' ' submit to you that this Body does not have a right to deliber telyi ' ;. . ' 7 , * ' '' ' ' - 'Q 'violate the provisions of that Constitution. .'you don't have
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to 'oe an Attorney to come to that conclusion. A11 you have t
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do is read the Constitution itself. '.'.'lt's very clear; itis
very explicit. Ik aayslYhe affirmative vote of 3/5 of the
' 'Members elected to each House of the General Assembly shall
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be required to ratify 'a proposad Amendment to the Constituti
' of the United states.' Now, when a Sponsor of this Resolutio
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cited to you somo of the cases whtch the AttornRy Generat ha
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' , gited,'ln his opinion,.he did not'cite any case in which the.. . i .' : . . ' . ' ' ' '' ( . w 7 . '' ' ' .
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when it called for a 2/3 vote of the Congress before a propos d
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ratification, any proposed Amendment must be ratified by
3/4 of the States, so there's ample, there's ample precedenc
in authority there to establish yhe fact that the people
who drafted the Constitution of the United.states and the
people who drafted the Constitution of the State of Illinois.
didn't want the same majority ko approve' Constitdtional
Amendments that they do ko pass an ordinary statute. And,
. of course, this makes sense. The Constitution provides for. . .' ..
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the protection of the rights of minority. and for this reaso
the extraordinary majority that is required in the case of
ratification of Amepdments is necessary àndt-certainly in
keeping with principles of the democratic system as we know
' it. For these reasons, I would urge you to put yourself in
the position so that you can go back to the people in your
' i d in favor of your coùstitutio .districE and say. Yes, vote
ted for 3/5 majority in order to ratify an Amendment toI vo' , . . . . '. .
' the'constiiution because that is what your constitution told. ' :;. s . . ) . . ' '' ' : : $ ' k' .
. ' ' J27 'ke' Eo do . % .' W ank you . '' . ' ' '' ''... .' . ' . . . ' . ...' . . ' ., -t '. . . . .. ' . . ' . . .w . . . : . ) ' . : 2 .: . . . . . w . â ; '. : . L .1 Jz . . . . . . , .. 'A o . r N ' 1 : . ' : '. ; . s . . . . .. : ., , '. . . . ' '
' Rep-' KJ'W. Miller: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. B. B. Wolfe-''. . ' .
B B wolfe:'z''Ah. . Mr- speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of th
House, the question befôre this House today is whether or. J . '
not khe Illinois Constitution conflicts with the Federal
'Constitution. ' And I think that that question can be resolve
Vbz taking a quick look at 10th Constitutions. Now. the
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Gentleman who preceded me, skated that we took an oath of
office which I agree, we took when we were sworn in to . '
assume the responsibilities of this House, and it's in
ArticlevnT, General Provisions, Section 111. the oath or
affirmation of office. It's very interesting.. it's very
interesting..''
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''Just a moment, Mr. Wolfe. May I quiet
it down for you?''
B- B- Wolfez ''Thank you. I'd appreciate thatw'' Thank you,
'. qMr. speaker. 'It#s interesting to note that in our oath
of office we said '1 ' do solemnly swear that I support the
constitution of the United States. and the Constitution of
the Sa.. State of Illinois'in that order. Now, let's take
a look at the Amendatory provisions of the 1970 Constitution
that's being cited on the Floor of this House'.today.'' Ahd
. that goes over on Section LM ah.. Article XIV, and of course,
d the full sta+nm'ent of Section IV. on Amend-no one has rea,
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' ments to the constitution of the United states.. Apparently. '. ' t' ; & i , . .
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dthe Convention wasn t satisfied with the Amendatory proce ur .. . ' ...... . .
because the last sentence of that Section says, 'The require
! .ments of this Section shall govern to the extent that they
are not in consistence with requirements established by the '
' United States.' And now let's look at the 1789 Constitution,
which was written a century and a half before the 1970
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and see what that requirement is. Now, let's keep this in
mind. The framers of the Constitution of 1789, the Federal
Constikution were Members of Houses of Legislature and were
knowledgable in the area of what the State Legislatures
reqpired at that time. And in Article V. they only put two
'restrictions. (l) That the Congress of the United States'
.by 2/3 of 10th Houses shall voke an Amendment to the. ' . . ( J . . .. . . :' . . ' ' ' .: ' ' . .
' '' Constitution and the other restriction was that that be '
: lhratified by Legislatures of 3/4 of the several States. And. . .
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. there was no restriction as to the vote required by the Stat s.
. And all that the Atkorney General is telling us is that
no State can legislate in the area of this Eederal require-
' . ment. only the United States' Congress can change that .
' Rule, and can invoke a restriction on the Legislatures with
reference to the vote that's required. And if you'll look
at the history of this State with reference to Amendments.
. . l '.'. and th.. and ratification of Amendments, you'll note that .,
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' .'in '.'. z.' many . times 'these M endments 'have been ratif ied by a . . . .'..# . . ' . , , l . '' ;' q) :' ' : ; . . , , - ; . ' ' ' 4 . . ' f ' . ' ' ; t -.- ' 1. &' ' :' : ' .' . - s :'. ; t . . . : . ' , 8;!h . . lr .. ! . t ' . , k . . ', . 1 .: ' - . . . . . ..u : z. : . T2., I - f .. .-:? ; ' . it ?; ' b- .' .. ?. . (..a . . . 1 1 . . ' , . . ' ' . . . . . . .. ' ; .. .. . ' . . )
. . ; ' ' - : .. '' mefè 'maioritv 'of those votinq. And a11 that this Resolution '. L.
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. t : .' . ' . . J. .nothing wrong with the Resolution. I think it conforms firs ''.Q,
. . . . . . . . . . . , ; .c( . k u ( .f. . 1 . . ' ' ; ' ! . '. . . , . . . , yz ) k ;
i h 'the United states' constitution which I was sworn tow t ,. . , .. ;
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g i ' % .uphold, and it in effect, tells us that what was writteh '-
. . - . ; . . . ' . 1 ;t z/ .:? . . . . . .. , , .. , . .p.t; . .. . ' 1 ( .., v. .in 1970 is unconstitutionale and this you can get from the ' .t:
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reading of b0th Constitutions ànd the history of each . And
I would suggest that we bupport this Amendment and get this
business over witho''
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''The Lady from Cook, ah.. Mrs. MacDonald is
recagnizedo''
V. B. MacDonald: ''Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
- House, I have seldom risen to talkuabout the new Constitutio
and as much as I realize thak there is a broadening in this '
deliberate Body, an 'attitude of criticism at times. But at
this particular time I would like to say that I did take
an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and
the State of Illinois Constitution. I think that if wé '
will l'ook at the transcripts.. the verbatim transcripts
of the Illinois.. 6th Illinois Constitutional Convention. we
will see that there was some doubt about the agreement of .% .
what kind of a ma.. majority it will take to pass a.- a..
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TvFederal Constitutional Amendment. And as Mr. Wolfe has so
s ; . . . . . . . '.
-l.tdetailed.. has.. has said in kuch detail, thd last sentence ' .
. . . '. . z . . . ' . à .t . . . . .. : . . 'of thai Section IV is indledoynhas indeed been put there to< y .. j . . . : ..' .; ' '> . . . . . ,, $ , . . . . .... . .x . . . ( . . .
-. remind us that we shouldlnot be in conflict at any time with. '. . . . . ' ' : ' ' '' > . . . .' khe Federal constitution. And while I am not a lawyeryzl
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do remember that there was vigorous debate about the kind of.L. ....
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Imajority it would take to pass a Constitutional Amendment.
I think tbat the General.. Attorney General has acted with'> 'lx' W>i j , 6 > . G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y
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concern, and I believe that this Assembly should take some
note of what that opinion was. So I urge you to think
very carefully as you vote on this particular Resolution.
Th' k ou '' 'an y .
Rep. K. W. Millerz ''The GentA man from ah.. Lawrence.ah..
Mr. Cunningham is recognizedo''
R. D. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, I Ehought that I distinctly
heard a prior Speaker Representative Calvo remarked that. f
four justices of khe Illinois Supreme Court had issued
curb stone opinions that we could not do what is thought
to be done by Resolution 176. I would gently inquire
of the Speaker whether that statement had been verified.
and if this is true, are we not in error in proceeding to
adopt this Resolution? And if no determination has been
made ah.. to this informal decision by the Supremeucourt, wo ld
it not seem reasonable to stay our hand until inquir.ty could
be made to khat decision. less we waste further time in an
' act that will become a nullity if the status position is' )' well bounded and correct? Would the Speaker reply to my
.inquiry?''
Rep. K. W. Millerz ''Does the ah.. Gentleman ah.. from Madison.
Mr. Calvo.ah.. desire to respond?''
H. L. Calvo: ''Well, I don't know what there is to respônd.
except that the indication from the Supreme.court, and
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a Colleague of mine is that four.. at least four of the seve
Members feel ihat the Attorney General cannot by his opinion,
or this House by 89 votes, suspend the provisions of the
Illinois State Constitùtionl')
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''AY.. for what purpose.. for what purpose
does the Genkleman from Cook, Mr. B. B. Wolfe arise?''
. . B. B. Wolfe: ''On a point of ordere Mr. Speaker.''
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''State your point.'' '
B. B. Wolfe: ''Now, ah.. my distinguished Colleagues are excell nt
lawyers and they know that corb.. curb stone opinions form '
no part of either a procedure in court or one in the gen..
in this particular Body. The only thing that we can be
guided by is the Supreme Court opinion, and in the absence
of the Suprene Court opinion. a written opinion of the
chief Legal officer of this State, the Attornvy General.
The only thing that's before us, as I understand from the
principaltsponsor of the Resolution, is the written opinion' ' . 1
that he has available to him of the Attorney General. And.T . . .
all of this other curb stone opinion. and off- the- cuff
' opinions, and telephone conversàtiôns certainly form no part'
d I would suqgest it's outof this Legislative process. An
of order.''
Repk K. W. Miller: ''We 'return now to the Gentleman from Lawren e,
Mr. Cunninghamo''
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R. D. Cunningham: ''Well, Mr. Speakerl. I respectfully suggest
that the inferences of the lawyers have nothing to do with
this. The question of the Supreme Court's position has
been reaffirmed by the Representative. It would seem the
heist of folly and a useless waste of time to proceed in
. the matter if we had, in fact, had an official daèlaration
by the Supreme Court that our conduct is not in accordance,
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with.u.i.with their Rules, and they wou&d not approve it. '. . . . . ' . . . . . . .. . . .. $ 7
. .'.By...and by a reversal, we should wait and then inquire of
. the Suprene Coures positiono''
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Richard Walsho''
R. A. Walsh: ''Wel1, Mr.. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of
the House, 5. ust briefly in stating my opposition. ah.. to th's' ah-. to this motion, it seems to me that the ah.. best èxplà ation
is to merely say that this body cannot on its own hold the
' Illinois Constitution to be unconstitutional nor' can we in a y .' , . .. . %
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, , . . . . fj. .. . . . . . .., , j.-ywav suspend the Illinois Constitution. Ah.. it.'.'qThe arqu- .'. ,
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.. . . , . .. : . . ) h. . . . . . . , kf' '' .'' ment.in favor of so doing has blen an opinion by the Attorne .6..:'1.
. . . o , q. ., x .. z . . ' ' . . t.' . h e . '. .. - . . . .1 . <. . f?: .. . ,' y' General. Ah.. the .question is- has been zaised as to wheth r ' '',. . . . .:. -- . .. -- . -;. - .. - , . . , . , ,,; . ,j,-,. .j:;. . . . i 3. .. '; . . . . . ,. . .. . ' t : - . ' ' 5 t
. . t ;: ..j' v t ,. . . . . ' 1 ,,' or not that opinion.kay have been political in nature. rer- ' '': .
. q t . . : . ' L . ' j- .'t%7. .7 . . . '. . . . . ' . . ' . . t $ jtainly it is only advisory. I would likeehMr. Speaker and ' ...'
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Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, to refer to another opini n: L' i ' ' 1.
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one in which we Members .of the Legislature have always follo ed
to the best of our abilitye and that is the opinion ah.. ren ered
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by the Legislative Council ah.. back in 1966. When question d
on this subject matter. not this specific case, but the ques
tion as to what are the number of votes required in order to
ratify a proposed Amendment to the United Statesl Constituti .%2
And if I may, ko say two re/erences therèine On page two
of the first paragraph, the statement is madé 'but, in the
case of the legislature itself, it is com.. competent to
prescribe its own procedure unless', and Ladies and Gentleme
' I repeat. 'unless such is done forth by the State Constituti n.'
We have a S tial:e Constibution to whlch we must 'atpkere . And
the procedures of this State Legislature are that a 3/5 vote
' is necessary in order to ratify a proposed Améndment to the
Federal Constitution. One other reference, Mr. Speaker, ah..
in the authority. Paul Mason, in his manual of Legislative
Procedures. He states, and I quotee 'A malority of thej .' kegal vctas passed, a quozum being pzesent, is sutficien'z to
' carry a proposition. unless'. and again, Mr. Speaker. Ladies
l .- and Gentlemen of the House, 1e* me emphasize, 'unless a larg r
vote is requlred by a constitution-e such. is the case here
in the State of Illinois, and I would urge my Colleagues to
te 'No' on 'this motioh . '' :vo
Rep. K. W . Miller: ''The Gentleman from Henry, Mr. McGrew. is
recognizedo'' I
S- M. McGrew: ''AN.. Mr. Speaker, thank you. 1 would just lïke
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to say that I have liàtened to debate, and I think it has
been very excellente It has explained most of the issues
and I move the previous questione''
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''Al1 riqht. The.. the previous question
has been moved. All those in favor say 'Aye', opposed 'Nay'.
the motion is carriëd. Now the Chair will return and recog-
nize the Gentleman from Cook. Mr. Katz, to close the debate-''
A11 right. .For what purpose does the Gentu man from Cooke
Mr Lauer ' arise? '' . '. . .% .:
J..'R. Lauer i ''Mr. speaker, I ah.. don't believe that. ànyone h s ask
he Speaker how many votes it's going to take ah.. on this Res-
olution that's before the House, the Resolution of the Rules
Comm ttee. . . .
Rep. K. W. Miller: HIt ah-. takes 89 votes to ah.. to approve
l f Cookor adopt 'this motion. A1l right. The Gent eman rom ,
Mr Katz is recognizedo'' '
H. A. Katz: ''AK.. Mr- Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hou e.
' we are here today on a proposal of the Rules Committee of th. . =k l'' ' '
..uouse on a matter that has been éefore the Rules committee
f the House for at least two m' onths. Now, it was not a clo eo4 . ,
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vote of the Rules Committee of the House. As a matter of fa ,
the vote by which the Rules Committee recommended this chang
was thirtgen-to three/ with one Member voting 'present.*. !
Now, an attempt has been made to prevent this as an act of
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defiance of the Illinois Constitution. Nokhing could be
further from the truth. What is involved here is a rules
change brought about in order to bring our Rules into
conpliance with an opinion of the Illinois Attorney General.
Now, I would like to point out to you that %his is a matter
that has been before us before. This is not a new opinion
of the Attorney General's. He simply reiterated. There
is a new opinion khat was handed down on one precise point.
but on Ap.. May ll, 1972, the Illinois Attorney General. a1m st
' a year ago, ruled that in matters of ratification to Federal
Law, not Stake Law, was applicable. And, as a matter of fac o
I recall that just this morning we heard that four Supreme
court Justices told somebody else about the matter, which
I contest. ié a rather unusual way to transact business
l éor a high official of a judicial branch. I 'remember hearinabout that opinion of May 11, 1972, when a Member of *he Hou e
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got up and said that he had spoken to the Attorney General.
and the Attorney General disagreed with that opinion. I
remember it very well. It was right here on the Floor of
the House. And along comes another opinion of the Attorney
General of April 2, 1973, that indicated very clearly that
the Attorney General continued to âdhere to the view that
he set forth on May 11, 1972. Now, Very simply, the problem '
is that it is not one Constitution we are sworn to uphold an
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defend. It is two ConktiEukions. And one Constitution is
the Federal Constitution that has a procedure for ratificati n
of Federal Constitutional Amendments, and has a suprenacy
clause that says it shall be supreme over any other Consti-
tution of the Uniied States. And we have an Illinois Consti
tution which has its owp procedure for ratification. And so
the question is. shall the Federal Constitùtion supercede ''' .
the Illinois Conskitûtion? And the answer of the Illinois
Attorney General is that it does. Now. if certain Members
of the House feel that he was wron: in inlerpretting the
Constitution, not singular buk plural that way. the remedy
is not to qet individual opinions of individua' l members of
the Supreme court, because this kind of Body cannot get alon
on such ex-party comments made to individual persons outside
of deliberative proceedings before the Supreme Court. But
to litigate this issue, if the Attorney General was wrong.
khe Attorney General shall be shown to be wrong in a formal
opinion of the Illinois Supreme Court. But until that time.
arri/es, the Rules Committee by a vote of 13 to 3 solves tha
sound parliamentary procedure required that we support the
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so. we of the Rules committee by a decisive vote, submit to
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ou here today, a change, whieh me believe to be found asy
that the people of lllinofse having electedsound proeedure
the Attorney General of Illinois. and he# being under the
constitution of Illinois. our Chief off icer and public off ic ' al. '%,
of Illinois, that we follow the opinion of our chief Legal '
officer oz the state, unless or untiz such time as the zllin ts
supreme court. nay have as to the following of due process o
law ueterminèd that he may have been in error. And until th t
time . . '' . .
Rep x w Mlller' : ''Wi11 you bring your remarks to a closea''
H. A. Katz: ''..we musk follow his opinion, and I wille therefo e
urge for the approval of this Resolution thak comes from the
Rules committee of the House.''
Rep. x. w. Mzlzer: ''and she queseion zs, 'wlzz souse Resozutso
I This will take 89 votes. Thoke in favor votNo. 176 pass?
Twye' and opposed 'Nay'. The Chair reeognizes the Genckemar
. ' from coou. Mr. caurkno. ko expzain hss vote--
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w-ss-ucaurinoz ''Mr- speaker. and Members of the ceneral Assemb v,: - ..
J'khe e'ight people that came from this.. thak came from the 11 inois
constitutional conventîon to stt at thetr.. to their.. at th ir '
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' itukional convention in 1960 and 1970. It wasïthe 'ak a const
inteh t of the majority of those people that to change the '
constitution in any vay would not be done a simple way.
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It's the 1aw of the land is to.. to reserve documents by
which we formulate our intire lives by. And I think youkre
misinterpretting remarks handed down by the judiciary, and
I'd like you to remember that it took eleven months, approxi
mately, to formulate the Constitution that you now exist und r
as a General Assembly. And I think .we should follow those
Rules that the General Assembly initiated in 1968, under
which to form a new Constitution that was a hundred years ol .
We demanded a 3/5 vote to change the Constitution so that we
could raspect what ve wozk so hard for. And I ask your supF rt
and : No'vote on this particular mattero''
Rep. K. W. Miller: The Gentleman from.. thank you. The Gentle
man from Cook, Mr. Ewell.''
R. W. EWel1: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, any man who
acts as.his own clientpor hi# own attorney ' ' has a fool '
f ox a kllient . And I thi-'zk we are .'-ndead . 'beiog f 'a0) ish i n
this particular matter. We have asked our Attorney, the
Attorney General elected by the people of the State of Illin is.
a Republican Attorney Generale and a very good man. We have
' asked him some time ago for his professional legal opinion
on this particular matter. Our Attorney has rendered unto
us an opinion based upon the law. It would be.. it was
beholding to us if we would follow the advice of our Attorne
and listen to him. I think that this Rules ehange is entire y
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in order, and I think that this Body ought to support the
Committee. And I suggest that anyone who decides in the
contrary, be allowed to take the case into the court, where
we could ge* an official. and not a curb stone ruling. Gentl -
men, let us heed the advice of our Attorney. khe one that we
pay, and simply because we disagree with him, I do not think
that we ougbt to have this kind of vote. Let's listen to
our Attorney. That's what we pay him for. And I would urge
'an ' A e ' vote '' ' 'y -
' Rep. K. W. Millerz ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Flecka''
C. J. Fleck: ''Mr. Speaker, I ri:e on a point of inquiry. I
would like Eo know if itls permitted under the House Rules t
have temporary pages lobbying for a measure? And if it isn' ,
I would ask the Speaker to remove any temporary pages who ar
lobbvinq.''
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''The Clerk informs me that ik has already
. 'been done. Thank you. Mr. Fleck. The Gentleman from Cook,
' j . . . :. .'Mr. Davis. to explain his vote.'' .
c. L. Davisz ''Ah.. Mr. speaker. Ladies and Gentu men of the Ho se.
u g ssa suzruaau w oI WaS a Zemxzr Of the Rules Committee, one O. :voted for this Resolution. Someboly would say in the Commit ee
that we held up our hands and voted to uphold the Constituti n
of the State of Illinois. This is true. We did. But I wou d
also remind you about the facts, that we also held up our ri ht
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hands and we made a pledge to support the Constitution of
the United States of America. Some of us seemed to forget.
that we are duty bound not only to support the Constitution'
of the State of Illinois but also the Constitution of the '>)
United States of America. Now, what do we have here? We
have an Amendment here to the Constitution of the United
Stakes of America. ' This is not an Amendment to the State
Constitution. This is. I repeat. this is not an Amendment
' ltution. rather it is an Amendment to theto the state Const
const.itution of the Unitm-d States of America. And the Attur ey
General has said that we# as a State Body, can act in our
Federal capacity. There's no rule binding us- This is what
he saide ànd Ilvo heard him réld. Therê's' no rule binding
us. We're not voting on the 'State Constitution. We're
voting on the Federal Constitùtion. And if a simple majorit ,
lf .: simple majority is c. Rule cf this House, tf 'sze Ncte
. 'Aye' and establish the fact that a simple majority, I tell
you, I hear the Speaker and those who act as Speaker. say
89 votes. the Bill having received 89 votes, received a
conskitutional majority. Is he right or is he wrong? 89
votes is a Constitutional majority, and I voted for that rig .
I'm not voting here and now to oppose the State Constitution.. ' Ican we impose on extraordinary votes on a Federal Amendment t
the constitution? I kould say 'No'. This is what we would
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be doing if we siid that we had to get 103 votes. That
would be an extraördinary vote. and.. and what we're doing n
is saying that a Constitutional majority of 89 votes would
be bihding, and this is right. Now don't tell me about the?
14th Amendment. I didn't go vote to get into that. I know
a11 abou't the 14th Améndment. I was a victim of it# and my
people were a victim of it long enough. A victim -of it as
much as these women are a victim of it, do you hear? The
Equal Protection Clause that guarantees every man equal
proteetion. Well, you know what happens-.' They substituked
something else for that equal protection. And we were con-
cerned, not now. But up until the Supreme Court. they sub-
stituted something else. Well, this is what you're trying
to do to these women here now. You're trying to substitute
some of the Rules. 89 is a majority. and I a'ppeal to you,
89 is a Constitutional majobity. and I appeal to you to upho d
the Attorney General and give us this vote.''
Rep.'K. W. Miller: ''The Gentleman from Cook. Mr- Kosinski. is
. r'ecognized. ''
$ ' , 1R. J. Kosinski: 'Mr. speaker. in explaining my No vote, no
matter what the issue, I reject the concept that if you .
' he vote, you change the Rules. I vote 'No'.'' !can t muster t. !
Rep. K. W. Miller: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Have a1l voted
who wished? Take the Record. Mr. Clerk. On this questionx !
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there are 69 'Ayes' and 90 'Nays'. For what purpose.. And
the motion.. the Resolution fails to receive the Constitution 1
majority and is therefçre declared 'lost'. For what purpose
does the Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Hanahan arise?''
. J. Hanahanz ''Mr. Speaker, having voted on thexprevailing sid .
on this question on House Resolution No. 176, I now move that
that question be reconsidered.''
ep. K. W. Miller: ''The Gentlran from Cook. Mr. Flecko''
. J. Fleck: ''Mr. Speaker, I move that motion lie upon the Tabl .''
. ep. K. W. Miller: ''The question is 'on the motion.. the Gentle
man's motion to Table.'. A11 those in favor say 'Aye', opposed
'Nay'. The 'Ayes' have it. The motion prevails-
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Kenny Miller: ''Por what purpose does t''e gentleman from Law-
rence, Mr. Cunningham rise?''
Cunningham: ''Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker. Are we correc
in our assumption that this vote is the death now of E.R.A. ''
K. Miller: ''I don't think that the Chair should rule on that
poiùt for the time being ah...Mr. Cunningham. For what
purpose does the gentleman from Macony Mr. Borchers rise?''
Borchers: /Mr. Speaker, I was just wanting to offer my ser-
vices as one of the pallbearersg''
W. R6bërt'Blâir: ''Al1 right, now.... we#re going ko go to ah...
Constitutional Amendments, ah... Third Reading. There are
about four, ah.... this H.J.R.C.A. 414, which concèrhs it-
sëlf wikh that matter that we just had, if we could get
to that and address ourselves to it......if the people
that are the Sponsors of these others in order ah.......
Mr. Hirshfeld, le . Skinner, Mr. Bradley, Mr. J;J. Wolf,
ah... if that is satisfactory with them, ah... in as much
as we've been on this issue, we can go righk to thG matter
and 1et the ah... Sponsors address themselves to their pro-
posal and we can get to a vote. If I don't hear any ob-
jection on the numerical order question, then I will go. to that. Is there any objection to going to..... all right
I see the people who have those, and they are indicating
that itîs o'kay. Now, ah... Mr. Clerk, if you would pro-
' ceed to read H.J.R.C.A. #l4y a third time in full, as is
required by Illinois ConstitutionoH
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Amendment-#l4, uhereas the 92nd congress of the United7 ,f Skates Lf America at itês second Session in both Houses
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Equality of rights under law shall not be denied or abridge.'k
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Section 111. This amendment shall take effect two yearsafter the date of ratification, therefore be it resolved
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:state éf Illinois
, the Senate concurring herein, that suchproposèd amendment to the Constitùti
on of the United Statesof America be in the same is hereby ratified. And be itfurther resolved that a certified copy of this resolutionbe forwarded by the Secretary of State of Illinois to theAdministrator of the General Services of the United Statesto the President pro tem of th
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the House of Representatives, 'AJA'. the Congress of the
United Stakes and to each Senakor and Representative 'lfrom
Illinois and the Congress of the United States. Third
Reading of the Resolution.o
W. Robert Blair: R'All right, the lady from Dupageg Mrs. Dyer.e
Dyer: *Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, ah...
after khat rather exhausting debate on the Constitutional
question, I think you'll be relieved to hear khat I am not
going to harangue you with argumenks at lengthe about the
. virtures and the possible drawback of the Equal Rights
. Amendnent. . We been piling literature on your desks for
months, weRve been thinking about this for a year, I sus-
pect that each one in Ehis room has made up your mind as
to whether you are in favor or against this proposed 27th
Amendment. So I'm quickly going to go through about four
points of what exactly does the amendment say. What does
it say? Very simply, equality 9f rights, under khe law: 'l $
shall not be deniëd or abridged by the United States or by
Eake on account of sex. Now I ask you, isn't thaiany s
just a matter of simple justice? But what does this mean?
A pplicy under the 'law, does nok mean sa.i:ess'.k- There
can skill be reasonable classifications of people based ont .
functions and capability, not just arbitrary diskinctions' on the basis of sex. Of course it's not going to wipë out
al1 of the differences of ah... bases on sex. You can
still be the very charming ladies and gentlemen that you
are right now, after E.R.A. is ratified. It simply means
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in a positive sense, thht your daughter can be gauranteed
under our Federal Constitution the same rights to fulfill
her human potential as your son. And I ask you agàin, isn'
that what America is a1l about? Now who is against the
Equal Rights Amendment? I think we just now, a few minutes. ago, to see the chànce to see some of the people who are
against the Equal Rights Amendment. Of the people who
have come and talked to us about it in Springfielde some
women who opposesfthe Equal Rights Amendment, mistakenly
think that this means that they will have to provide 50%
of the support of the fnmlly, and maybe leave their home an
' put the kids in a Day'care Center and go out and get a job.
And of course you know, as Legislators, and being throughly
aware of Illinois law, that that is not so. That the
wife's share of care and support of the children can be
tonéhoose voluntarily to stay home and take care of those
children. So should we let the fearse the groundless fears,
of th6-sq womer effect us when there are 6 million single
women in America, who are responsible for their own support.k
There are millions of widows and divorcees, who are heads
of fnm3'lies. And donlt they deserve an equal chance in
the education market and the job market to support theirfamilies? You know gentlemen and ladies, in America, we
. value indèpendence and self reliance. We admire people
who can assume responsibility for themselves and their
families. How can we justify raising one half of ourchildren tokgrow up into dependent and irresponsible adults?
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j Finally, who is for the E.R.A.? Welly to begin with, the
President of the United States, the overwhelming vote fn' Congress, leadership of b0th parties of either side of the
aisle of this Eouse, b0th party platforms, most prestigious
organizations you can think of in khis countryy such as
the League of Women Voters, American Association of Uni-
versity Women, Y.W.C.A, Bnai Brith, and so on. Finallyy
we have khe only two national organizations that are
'against it are the John Birch Society and the Communist
Party. Nowe we have one final ally who is not with us toda .
He's former Illinois legislator. He served in this General
. Assemblyp and we have his picture in our gallery today.
That is, of course, Abraham Lincoln: who reminded us that
those who deny freedom to öthers deserve it not for them-
selves, and under a just God: they cannot long retain it.
So come on ladies and gentlemen of the General Assembly.
l07 of you, if you will, join us, join Abraham Lincoln and' President Nixon and Governor Walker and Mayor Daley and
' Speaker Blair and Representatives Choàte and Shea. joih us
' and make Illinois the 31st state to ratify the Equal Rights. . ,. '
' Amendment. Thank you.'' ' ' '
b t Blair: ''The Laày from' cook, I understand thak you'rew. Ro er' i to close. Is that what your request is? Alright,go ng
' ' if thak is not objectkonablee in as much as her co-sponsor:
. Mrs. Dyer, opened, Mrs. chapman will close. Now, the
' Gentlèman from Cook, Mr. Mann.''
Mann: '''We1le Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, if we were
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to vote on the proposition today, that a1l men are creaked
equal, we would, I am confident, affirm that principle sol ... .)
forcefùlly expressed in' khe Declaration of Independence.
Today we have the privilege and the opportuniky to vote and
reaffirm another principle, which is deeply inbedded in our
' democratic heritage, and I say democratic with a small d.
Today we have the opportunity and the privilege to vote for
the concept that men and women have equal opportuniky under
law. And if our heritage is unclear to you on this point,
I would invite you to vote your self-interest: and that
sekf-interest, it seems to me, can be expressed in tne
' thqughk that when women's râghts are denied, men's rights'
are placed in jeopardy. We have an opportunity today: to
. liberate men and women alike by voting for E.R.A. And I
would ask a11 of you to search your conscience, search your
heritage and vote equàlity today by voting for this Equal
Rights Amendment to the Constitution. Thank you Mr. Speake .''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentlemen from Dupage, Mr. Hudson.''
Hudson: OMr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of this House. Edmon
Burke once said that a representative owes the people he
serves not only his industry, but his judgement, and I
agree wtth him. I rise to speak in oppo-sision to this pro-
posal because in my judgement it is b0th unnecessary andharmful. Unnecessary because it can give to women absolu-' i they do not now have or have a way gettingtely n0th ng
' !under existing laws and statutes ':Lat the Federal, at the
Statee and by independent statutes across this country.
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' I think this is harmful because it will take from women
far more than it can possibly give to them. Harmful
because ik will take from the State forever khe right to
enact any legislation thatx,recognizes a difference in the
sexes no matter how reasonable these differences may be.
It is harmful in my opinion, because it subjects women to
military conscription and I want to kalk to you collegues
today just a little bit on this particular point. One ofproponents do not care to speak to, my collegues, before yo
vote koday: remember khat if you vote yes you are voting
Eo make it a national policy to conscript wonen whenever
the draft is deemed necessary. There is no argument about
this, b0th proponents and opponents agree with this. This
is not scare talk, this is not emotionalism as some of the
. proponents claim, it is a fact. Do you really want ko go
home and tell your constituenks that you favor conscription
cf Ffamen? And if sc# why; If this Mas khe sole issue nere
. today, few of use I believe, would voke for it. But in a
fancy packagey call it Equal Rights, and we lose sight of
the fact that in that package is this military conscription
provision. My collegues, this amendment should be called
properly the Equal Regimenkation Amendmente at least in khi
respect. Our forefathers abhorred military conscription,
they lefE Europe, in part, because of it. We have employed
it out of extreme military necessity. and that should be
its only excuse. We should not extend it, because it is I
retrogressive to individual freedom. We should not extendx. B A
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because ik will give benefits or G.I. >rivilegese or some-
. thing of khe kind to another segment of our population.
This is not khe purpose of the military. The purpose of
the military, as I understand it, is national defense, and
that alone. Can any one honestly claim that unnecessary
conscripkion of young women is a step in the direction of
liberty in this countryz I don't think they can. Why
buy this measure with this defect in it? Why extend con-
scription, which is the authority of our government over
. our private lives? Why extend ik in exchange for protectio s
women are now guaranteed? Or protections that they have a
way of getting by individual statutes designed to cure' specific ills? We can do this at state levels throughout
this country and should do it at these levels. It's a bad
itutional millstone. It isdeal, a poor exchange. A const
a patent medicine poured into a fancy boktle and given an' . ' l
attractive label and hoisted 'on an unsuspectàng-public. ''' ' My collegùes, I urge you to think about these things.
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think and to vote no on this provision.''
W. Robert Blair: The Gentlemen from Cook, Mr. Raysonon
Raysont ''Thank you, Mr. speaker, and members of the House.
tlemen particularly,I appreciate the words of the last gen ,
when he quoted Edmond Burke, because I've always maintained
that this is a true responsibility of the legislators to
exercise his best judgemenk. And I Ehink that's what were
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here to do today. Its more than conscience, T hope we
have an over-all view pf the problem, and l hope we can
resolve it, and certainly in favor in support of khis
ratification resolution. Even to borrow the wisdom of thenj
last speaker when he said there are enough laws in the book
and enough constitutional firmament to suggest that we need
anything more. Even if we were ko suggest that that is tru e
and ft might be, yet, if it is true, the government if they
wanted to get into this rather unholy kind of consequence
of conscription, can do so. and would do so, I might add,
if there were a real, real serious draft to this nation.
Buk I don': khink anyone in the Congress, our President,
or anyone is seriously considering this possibility. As
. a matter of fact, we don't even have the draft now. What
is more apprehensive to me, is that we have a new Becretary
of Defenser who goes to Senate Foreign Relations Committee
and suggests new ways and ratinnal to suggest the contin-
uation in the bombing in Camhodia: and to suggest the
possibility of rebombing in Viet Nam. A man-made decision.
However, thatls not before us today. What's before us toda
is are we or are we not going to be part of, I think the
majori#y of peopie, the majority of legislators: the
majority of people in the Congress, who really feel the
need for this amendmentz Even if the laws on the books
were edited, we don't enforce them. The magazine,
Psychology Today, had an article which said a woman is
5/8#s or 58% of a man. That even suggests that she's less
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than a slave was at the time of the Missouri conference,
he was 60% a man. And I suggest in party and this is what
its a1l about, but I suggest further, and thïs is what
displeases me, that even with passage of this amendment,
that were not going to effect any great fundamenkal changee
buk it may make the courks a little more honest, and it may
make 'them more willing to confront issues that come before
them judicially, rather Ehan rationalize them in a man'sworld. For example, we have had a duress of decisions
through the years tbat suggests women are equals under the
law. We talk in terms of a recent days out West, the
Reed case, which says that a woman can be a co-executor
with a man and not take a subordinate roll. Big deal!
But this is the kind of decisions we're getting, trickled-
down decisions almost tokenism. So I suggest we need this
amendmentz If it doesn't remove the problems of discrimin-
aeion, k;e could go bacf; Lnd reïtarate the amendment. Earli u-
today, and on Dr. King's assàssination datep we passed ak
bill about a holidaykfor Dr. King. If it weren't for
fragmentary sections of the 1868 Civil Rights Act, we never
would have had decisions in the 60's in regard to civil
rights. If it weren't for a fragmentary section of the' !
1868 Civil Riqhts Act, we wouldn't have a Supreme Courk
Decision on open housing, in 1868, an issue this legislatur
didn't really have the ...the fortitude to grapple with.
so I'm suggesting along with Edmond Burke, and that's
another distinguished qentleman, an ecclesiat, a poet,f-iWr-7--zo . n
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who once said John Dfllon, he once said everyonees life
diminishestme. l say every person's right, which are
erroded should diminish us as legislakors. And I feel
. that we should support khis resolution and get on with
other business ak hand. Thank you.H
W. Robert Blair: ''The Lade from Cook, Mrs. Macdonàld.''
Macdonald: ''Mr. Speakere ladies and genklemen of the House, I
rise to support the Equàl Rights Resolution. For three
#ears, I have listened carefully to the understandably
emotionable debate thak has been involvad around this
ià/ue. As the only woman member of the Bill of Rights
Committee in this Illinois Constikukional Conventional,
I was parkicularly aware and interested in the intensity
of opposing viewpoints regarding the equality of woman.
80th in committee, and on the floor of the convention:
I voted for inclusion of the Anti-Discrimination Section
' of the Bill of Rignts Article. It was to he, then, as it
is now, a matter of over-due justice. In spite of the
dier predictions, not once in my Distrlct during the period
in which we spoke to groups and individuals on behalf of
' ratifying the new Constitution, was any objection raised
to the inclusion of the Equal Rights Section of the new
document. It seems incredible that we should deny other
women of the United states, the same dignity and equality
that we have seen fit to provide for the woman of Illinois.I
It is particularly f itting that one of the lasE letters
I received yesterday, before casting my vote today on this
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issue/ came from a male constituent who is strongly in
favor of the amendment. He has staked it far beEter than
I could express. some of khe basic reasons for supporing
this resolution and with your indulgence, I would like to
read portions of the letter to you. It states: Dear
Ginny, Just a note to 1et you know that I hope youlll hané
71 in there with your E.R.A. support. I want you to know thak
this is one man who doesn't feel threatened by the potentia
of the Equal Righks Amendment. Eurthermore, I am apalled
at the extreme posskions taken by a numher of the male
legislators who are opposed. They know since many of them
are lawyers, that it won'k really shift all child support
to the wife or eliminate needed family support in case of
divorce, or abolish rape as a crime. These are serious
arguments. If it is true that E.R.A. is more symbolic
than legally necessary, still I support it. I think my
wife has the right to arw equally prctectîve posl.tion for
the government and I can understand fullwell, the indigna-N
tion who see the opposition correckly, as an attempt ko
put woman down- I'd feel the same, and I do feel the same.
As a supporter and contributor to your election, I am
' proud that you rare on the right side of E.R.A. lt makes
me feel strongly that I put my support where I should.
What you must do is vote for what's right for the 3rd Dis-
trict, the state, and the Nation, and I think this means
the support of E.R.A. Sincerelyr Dick. Ladies and gentle-
men of the House: I also think a vote for Equal Rights
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Amendment is a vote for this Stake and this Nation, I
urge you to'join me in voting yes.''W. Robert Blair: sThe Lady from Cook: Mrs. Martinon
Markin: DThank you, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the>)
House. I rise in support'of this resolukion. I remember
when I first started to run to come to Springfield, some
12 years ago, it took me five times ko get here. The bigge t
part of that reason for my taking so long to get here, I1m .
sure, is because I am a woman. I not only rise so today
for myself along, buE also for the organizations of which
T went back into my community and I talked to and held al1
day meetings. Some of the groups were the League of Black
Womane the Atalgamated Meat Cuttersy A.Z .L.C.I.O.Z The
Chicato Urban League, and my own organization: Operation
Push. After having met with the aforementioned organizatio s
which represent hundreds',ôf my constituency, I could and
'indeed, did become'a co-sponsor of H.J.R. Constitutional
Amendment No. l4. Which if ratified, would mean equality
for women, men, and I beg and ask of you to please cast
a favorable voke for this constiEutional amendment. Thank
you.W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentlemen from Lawrence, Mr. Cunninghamo''
Cunningham': ''Mr. Speaker, and members of the House. Passage
' of this resolution would signal the untimely and unfortunat
demise of chivalry. Never again would man feel the need to
raise his hat, open the door, yield his position, or even
more importantly, in' future generations, when the Titanic
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sank, we would have the splended example of John Jacob Asto
giving up h'is place in the lifeboat. No# not soy they woul
be racing the women for posikions in the lifeboat. We
ought to note in candor that khere is absolutely no need)
for this bill, the language of the Illinois Constitution
is very clear. Article 1, Section 8, whereever it is, if
the exack words that are used there are not successfule
bring the Utopia that the proponents of this amendment,
how in the name of susan B. Anthony do you think khat it
. would make any difference to put it on a piece of legal
parchmenk in far away Washington, D.C. rinallyg we as
representatives need to keep in tune with our voters back
home. When I went back to the 54th District, I retook
their pulse the last few days, and I would report to you
and venture the opinion thak your constituents feel the
same as mine, and that is that these women remain over-
whel.ms )lg 1 n tbeir pref arerce that tbey ' d rather be loved
than liberated.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Lady from Cooke MrE. Martin. asked for
' personal privilege.''
Martin: ''I'd just like to add to that, Mr. Speaker: and ladies
and gentlemen, we would like to be loved and liberated.
Thank youo''' W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell.u
Yourell: oYes, thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of
the House. This is just a word of advice to my good
friend, Roscoe. Are you listening over there? Word justso-'Nx+
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came down from the.p.word just came down from the pressgalleryy they forgok to put film in the camera and you
gotta go through the khole dnmn thing again./
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Miller./
Miller: *Mr. Speaker, and members of the House. The proposed
Equal Righks Amendment to the Pederal Constitution, leaves,
in my opinion, many unanswered questions. In considering
this proposal we must ask, what the gains and what are the
losses? Proponents of E.RJA. tell us that our United
States Constitution is defective and that it discriminates' againsk woman. Unfair discrimination against woman is
presently unlawful and unconstitutional. The 14th Amendmen
to the United states constitution assures equal protection
of the laws for every person. Beyond khat, our Illinois
constitution states that equal protection of the lqws
shall not be denied or abridged on account of sex. The
Civil Mights Act cf 1964 and t-ne Equal Oprortunity A.pt cf
1972 now give women rights of redress for any sex dis-N.
crimination practice- Whatever vesties of inequality again t
women remain can be removed legislatively. Sound laws
can get at specific problems, far better than the proposed
amendment. opponents of E.R.A. also seek the abolitîon of
sex discrimination. Under the amendment, if the draft' system were reinstated, congress will have no choice, but
to require female draftees equally with males. >my should
we mandate such a system by constitution? Const-itutional
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amendments are for keeps. Unlike a skatute, they cannot
be easily repealed. Proponents of E.R.A. want to leave
many policy decisions, including insurance benefits,
labor standards, and marriage laws to the Eederal court.
If the proposed amendmenk, is ratified, the legislatures
of the fifty States and the Congress of the United Stakes
will abd,icate their legislative responsibility to khe
Federal court. We have already permitted the pendulum to
swing to far in that direckion. Proponents say tha: the
amendment is slmèolic of the stature of women in our
society today. Who needs constitutional symbols. In
conclusion, Mr. Speaker, members of the House. The losses
clearly outway the gains. Passage of the Equal Rights
Amendment is akin hunting mosquitos with an elephant gun
and who is gullibfe enough to go on such a safari?''W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentlemen from cook, Mr. Ewell.''
ewell: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies r zd gèntlemen. ï rise to support'
the E.R.A. = I suggest that there were 354 Representatives
who knew what they were doing when they voted to support
E.R.A., there were 84 Senators who considered this matter
and pondered long and they accepted the proposition that
E.R.A. is right and just. We cannot cast aside 'the judge-' ment of thirty States and say that they are a11 astray and
wrong. Gentlmen, we must give some consideration to the
considered opinions of these respected persons. There are
those of you who argue, we want to maintain the privileges
of women. what privileqes? The privilece of beinc ao.oék-wwxx,
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seven-day fruit picker? The# donlt consider them when they
talk about privileges. We want ko give them the right to
be a ten-hour scrub women? That's fine. This is the
privilege that we demand f9r you- women. Againrwe want
to offer them protection. Wha: kind of protection? When
we talk about the laundry workers, working in temperatures
of l20 degress, where is our prokection? And if you talk
about a twelve-hour migrant worker, where is the considered
love and protection that we would offer our women. Again,
we say we want to support khese women. We want them to be
able to raise families, buE T ask where are you gentlemen
when the welfare mother comes up and then a11 of a sudden
there is no obligation to support. We%re not talking about
anything for these women, but that which is right and that
which is equal. We have benefits for you women we cry.
What benefits? The benefits of happy slaves. Yes, I say
to you in the days prlor U.o thz 'cimu tkat Lincoln freed *he
. slaves, you could always find some slaves who said 'Master,
we are happyi? we like it here and we don't want to leave
the plantationo' I reject..l reject that thesis and I
say that there are women today who are not happy as house-' hold slaves for eighteen hours, that they want the right to
make their own choice. I stand with these women because
they stand simply for an issue of basic freedom, and if
freedom is there, I shall be with them. I say to you that
women, and our women, do not prefer a life of pampered
elegance with nannies nursing their babies, but what theys '-N*1 . c g) y P
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would prefer is right of free choice, the right to partici-
pate, yesy and even the right ko join the army if ik meankthe difference of living in a concentration camp or living
in freedom. And I kould ask for suppork of these women/
and their riqhts, Thank you.''
W. Robert Blairt ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hydeo''
Hyde: OThank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the
House, I don't think ang debate today is going to change
many votes but by the same token, I think the case against
the E.P.A. ought to be articulated so that those people
who feel that we who oppose the E.R.A. are male chauvinisks
or anti-women could possibly grasp the fact that there is .
a very rational constitutional case to be made against what
I consider to be essentially a mischievous amendment. Now
first of all, a11 of us agree on the goal. Elliminake
invidious discrimination against women. What we disagree
with is the use oi ''Jhe ccl.stitutional amendnent as the
means. The United States Constitution .should never be
amehded unless it's absolutely nescessary. Now for polit-
ical expedientcy and certainly not for symbolic reasons.
There isn't one single benefit that the distinghished
gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ewell just mentioned that isn't
available to women now under statues that already on the
book. The Equal Pay Act of 1963. The Health Man-power '
Act of 1971 . The Nursing Training Act of 1971. Title 7 ,
of the civil Rights Act of 1964 . The Equal m plom ent Act
of 1972 . The F'air Labor Standards Act . and millions of
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dollars have been awarded to women who have brought their
claims before the Equal Opportunity Commission and ah....
pointed out that they have been discriminated against. Now
the 14th Amendment by it's kerms, says that no person
shall be denied life, liberty or property without due
process of law. Nor shall any person be denied equal
protection of the law. That word person includes black,
it includes Jew, it includes Catholic, it includes Poll,
and it includes women, and if you donît think so and you
want to raise to the dignity to a constitutional amendment
in sex discrimination, vhy do leave out ethnics discrimirl-
ation? Why do you leave out religious discrimination? Why
do you leave out a11 of the other discriminations that you
say are not included in the beautiful lanquage of the 14kh
Amendment? You drain from it it's meaninq. So take the
word person, 25 times it appears in the constitution, circl
it and writedwomen' after it# if you don't think it include
women. Now the courts have said that the 14th Amendment
proscribes and bars invidious discrimination against wpmen,
but it still permlts reasonalbe distfnckion to be made in
labor legislationyiin dohestic relation, and in a11 of the
complex manafold relationship that the 1aw èmpompasses in
men and women, and to permit reasonable discrimination is
a good and heàlthy thing. So we don't need it, it's un-
necessaryi''and I hateqto hear the argument that we've only
had one Supreme Court case say that invidious sex dis-
imination is proscribed by khe Constitution. That's jcr? ' , $ G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y'''< z 1jo - eww...,W a sTA T'r o e' I uul - o f s* C - j'j * H o u, s E o F R E P F' E s E: N T A T 1 v E sXivxs'ztf aevv '
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Reed vs. Reed because ladies and gentlemen, the Supreme
. Court only has to say it oncep they don't take cases toV
u repeat themselves. BuE the lower courts, the U.S. Courts
) of Appeàls, have said it kime and time againr the law booksbristle with opinions that strike down statutes that invidiously discriminate for reasons of sex
. Now there is oneother reason that I would like to point out and that is)
this; the Legislators of this country and Congress are thatè , element of Govermment clo%est to the people
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responsive to Ehe people, they are accountable to the peopl y(. they run for reelection. And as far as I?m concerned the
consent of the governed is still a basic commitment of
our form of government. But the courts as soon as the
Pederal Judiciary becomes established in their Yobesy they
mount Mt. Elimpus and they are unattainable. They are
tnct aecountable and they are znot responsivà ' to the people.
But this amendment will' transfer from the legislators,
which now have the power to èliàihate invidious discrimin-
ation, will trasfer that power to the courts, because every
action will be tested on What does the word equal mean.
And the coarts then will assume jurisdiction over an ever
widening area of every day life . I don't propose to assist
in this self-emasculation by the legislators. The legis-
lators have a1l the power they need to remove this dis-
crimination where it is found. And if you think that is
a peace-meal approach, watch when they go to court on every
divorce degreee and every piece of legislation that is*
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passed. We simply transfer to the courts what ought to
be a legislative prerogative. Now there is a very good
ease to be made against this and it isn't right wing k6oks, t
isn't radical and it isn'th the Communist Party ah.... that
opposes this, as the viscious adds printed in the paper by
now, E.R.A. said. I dôn't include the National Counsil of
Catholic Women amoung the kooksy I don't include the A.F.L.
C'JI.O. nok for thak matter the Hinsdales Women Republican
Club, as a right wing radical organizakion. And so ladies
and gentkemen of the House, I ask you rzassert ah.,.. therle
virility of the House by striking down this amendment.
' Thank youo''
W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Harbld Washingto .''
Washington: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker, for patiently recognizing
me. I support this amendment as I have in the past in
every way I possibly can including voting for it. But inI' response to on of the remarks of the one of the previous
' 'gspeakers, he cited quite a few Federal Acts that have been
passed, some State Acts which have been passed and he cited
the glorious 14th Amendment which has lead black people' down the road for so many years. The mere citation of all
these Acts, plus the 14th Amendmente slmply proves the poin
thak these people are making, that these women are making.
That the Federal Government and the various states have
fàiled to live up to the promise, which is implicit in the
14th Amendment and a1l these other Acts that have been
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was without them. And what their saying to us is what is
needed in this country is a clear cut statement relative
to rights of women in khis country as artieulated by khe
women in this country and not be someone else. The pre-
vious Speaker also stressed khe fact that in khis amendment
there was not elusion was made to ethnic groups. Welle
we're not concerned about the lack of inclusion of ethnic
groups in this amendment. We're prepared to fight our
batkle on a different''line. But never let it be said that
simply because we are not included, in a given piece of .
legislatione that we're going to put out heads in the àand '
or take a negative attitude to our other people who are
atkempting Eo articulate their desires and rights as they
see fit. You may have noticed on the vote of the resolu-
tion which was presented, that every black legislator in
the House supported that motion. There is no mysticism to
why they did so'p Mr. Speaker, I would like a bit of order.
. . . .. because every black legislator in this House under-
stands that had not the women of this country supported
this long 500 years to avail in this countty, we might
still be on the plantations in the south in khis country.
we understand that. I had a case to do a little reserch on
this question, because when it came up last ttme I took.
ysiyysy to' the position that black people had the respons
help anybody in this country or out of this country, any-
where in the worldy who was struggling for freedom and
equality. We had that responsibility placed upon us his-
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torically and just out of plan o1d quid pro quo. But it
is very enlightening you might be interested in some of
the movements in this counkry relative to black people that
women in this country have been involved in. There wasNj
a tremendous movemenk in Ehis country lead by women to
abolish salvery even before it got placed into the Constitu
tion. They lead the abolitioness movement, north as well
as south. They were deeply involved in the underground
railroad, Millions of them giving their lives or reputa-
tions, their economic status in life to maintain and fight
for people thak could do nothing for them whatsoevere that
is the blàck slaves in the south. They were involved in
that movement. Women were the main ones in support of the
freedom of schools in the south during the reconstruction
period. They almost single handedly through a V.F. Cup
Ovingtony'formed the National Association for Advanceaent
of Colored People. They were inyolved in the marches in
Salem, Alabama, and throughout the country. Every place
you look throughout the long history of black people in
this country, women have stood four square behind them and' beside them in attempting to bring and ellèvate their
' position in life. It follows then as night does day, that
our position is with them. We're not concerned with all
'these legal nicèties that have been trotted outy nor are
' we going to be victims of the air harridan about women in
the army and sharing latrines and a1l that simple stuff
that has nothing to do with this business at all. It's
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nok relevent and those who resort tb that are doing a
disservice to a very important issue, which effects alot
of people. They talk abouk knocking out the statutory
rape: well that's the most ridiculous thihg I ever heard
of. Rape has nothing to d6 with this Bill, drafting into
the army has nothing to do with this Bill, sharing the
latrines have nothing to do with this Bill. This Bill
is simply a statement by American women ko the effect that
they want the National Congress and the people throughout
the country, and the skake legislakors to pay attention to
Eha fact that thay aze'discriminated agaihat, it's just' that pure and simple. No sEatutes on the books are doing
the job, the 14th Aoendmenk can't take care of the job.They haven't taken care of the black question in a1l of the e
years, theyere not about to take care of the female questio .
So let's stop playing games. If the women of this country
want to say through an amendment that they want to be equal' and free, than damnit, Ilm with them. Thank you.p
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' W. Roberk Blair: lGentleman ah... from Rock Islande Mr. Polk.'' .
Polk: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the General Assomhl .' A few years ago a Member of this Body once said: 'Eour
score and seven years ago, our fathers bro'ught forth on
this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedi-
cated to the proposition that all men are created equalo'
Today I will vote to give the women that same equaliky,
Thank you.'' '
W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Day.os7 .
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Day: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, I
am for equal rights for everyone, but I musk oppose this
amendment, because I do nok believe that the Constitution
of the United Stakes, which has been khe backbone öf Ameri-
can Democrasy for more than 85 years discriminate agaihst
half of the people in this country, namely 'the women. If
there are discrimintory laws on the book, khen I think it's
a legislative responsibility to repeal those laws. I have
not heard any Illinois stakukes, any local ordinances cited
here today in Illinois. which discriminate against women.
But certainly if there are any, I would be happy to be a
Sponsor to those laws, or any Bills to repeal any discrim-
innatory laws. The real issure before us today is whether
we are going to give up our legislative right completely
to pass laws which have some reatonable basis in sex. Laws
which give women ànd mothers' preferred treatment in divorce
casec on the subjea: of whose going to bave custody of k'Maminor children. Weight lifting laws for women employees.
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Insurance rates that provide because single male drivers
under 25 have a highlr accident rate than females. Eemales
don't have to pay as much in the way of premiums. I think
these laws are good, I think that they are reasonable. But
if there not, this legislature. in five days, with 89 votes' in the House and 30 votes in the Senate and the signature
of the Governor can repeal those laws. I feel that this
amendment will transfer another segment of legislative
responsibility to the courts. I think that we should, as
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legislatorsz see thak there are no discriminatory laws on
the books, so far as women are concerned. l think that thi
is our responsibility. I hope khak you skand wikh me ko
preserve that responsibility as elected officials, and vote
against this amendment.? '
W. Robert Blaik: Hcentleman from Will: Mr. Leinenweber.''
Leinenweber: pThank you Mr. Speaker and Members of the House.
lt has come to my atkention through the mails that a great
nnmher of organiztions, pro and con, on the Equal Rights
Amendment have been quoting from the Yale Lawview article,
which was co-authored by Thomas 1. Emerson, .p-rofessor of
Law, at Yale University Law School. Basically the state-
ments out of contact have been used in that document ln
order to show that a1l of the harridanous things that will
happen to women in the event that the Equal Righks Amend-
ment is adopted. I have a làtter here from Professor
Elterson: dute is marked March 23J 1973: to the Editor of '
the chicago Daily News, in which he points ouk the great
amount of misrepkesentations that are contained in that' article. ' I would quote poirtions of that article, which
I think are very relevenk ko his real position, and the '
real position of the article in the Yale University Law
Journal. 'The equal Rights Amendment is based upon a simple
bu* deeply just principlè. It requires that the legal righ s' and obligation of each citizen should be determined on the
basis of his or her own qualifications, not upon the basis
of being male or female. The amendment does not of course,z;'-. s A Nh
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eliminate sex from the American life. What it does is to
guarantee equality of rights under the law. Further more
under the area of legal rights and obligaitons, the Equal
Rights Amendment does not preclude different treatments
between the sexes where the 1aw concerned with the physical
characteristics as unique to one sex or the other. Thus,
forcibli') rape laws would be uneffected. &or does the
Equal Rights Amendment override the constitutional rights
to privacy. The œqual Rights Amendment is a morale and
social reform and the best traditions of American Society.
It is lorag ovezdue.! Now Fœ . Speaker, I would like the
question of military conscription has come up time and
again here today to show.o... how the evil of this pro-
posed amendment would do. I would say that this completely
over looks the fact that military conscription is a form
of involuntary servitude. I say to this that involuntary
servitude only to men is wrong. I have a daughter, I have
three sons, I don't think that my sons ought to be second
class citizens. I think thak.... when we say that women
ought not to be required to serve their country in times'of need, is wrong. I would say therefore that I plan to
vote 'yes' because I have not heard any arguments of any
' justifible cause for alarm for the passage of this proposal RW. Robert Blair: OThe Lady from Lake, Mrs. Geo-Karis.R
Geo-Karis: ''Mr- Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the Housee
I rise to speak in favor of this amendment not because I
was denied credik, which many women were denied, not be-
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cause I could 'not get a mortage from our housee which
many women were denied, bpt in the effort of simple justice
and equality. I#m an ex-service women. I have heard the
arguments compounded today about the draft. I rise as an
American who believes in God and in this country and if
there is an necessity for my country Eo draft women, be it
done, because my country comes ahead of myself. I rise '
to remind a11 of us that if a women is a lady she is not
going to be changed by this amendment, not any more than
a man that is a gentleman. A gentleman is a gentleman and
ahivalry is chivalry and I expect it to coniinue whether
this amendment is passed or not. I rise also .ko answer
one of the former Bpeakers who says: 'The Equal Rights
Protection of the 14th Amendment is there-' Isn't it
funny ladies and gentlemen of the House? The 14th Amendment
was passed in 1868. And yet the women were not permt'tted
ta vtzte uutil the lgth Amendment Was passed in u-he 20th
Century. And khen they talk about the Equal Opportunity
'Employment Act, who will findkthat one them does not refer'. king in establishments under 15 people. Thereto women wor
is something more I would like to say. My Congressman,
Robert Mcclorye and I'd like to quote him, and he sent me
this word today, quote: 'As principle Republican Sponsor
. sx ysay yof the E.R.A. when it passed the U.S. House ,
urge Republicans in Illinois House to support ratification.
After many weeks of testimony as a Member of the House
Judiciary committee, I was s'eonvinced that this Constitutio al'
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Jznendment was essential for the best interest of b0th
=en and women. The 14th Amendmenk has not been interpreted
ca eliminate sex discrimination. Congressional Acts and
fallowed leadership of Van Armstrong, Business of Profes-
: i kion for Wé'men, and other substantial andsional Organ za
) capable women too. Protective Labor Laws and possible;'
Aature Selective Service Law was considered fully and
vere not urged favorable Congressional action. Illinois
! Ss identified with the principle of equality and deservesr'l uo become on of the chief stakes in final ratification of
the E.R.A. Only 12 Republicans kepk 'nsgatâve' votesl in the House, the U.S. House. I hope Illinois House will
l .back Equal Rights withoùt discrimination based on sex.
conqressman Robert Mcclory, Congressman of Illinois.'
J oigbt add that the other Congressman at the other part
' i t Phili/ . M. Crane, also voked for thisof my distr c ,
amendment in the United States House of Representakives.
4 .1 J might add that in my City of Zion, at a regular meeting
' j1 of the City Council held March 20th, 1973: gave unanamous
(.j' 'approval to the support of Ehe Equal Righks Amendment andsaid, quote: 'It's an honor that the City of Zion to be
j' '' rsupporting this nill.' I miqht add that the American1(1 congress Boay is against this amendment. There are someJî i st this amendment also. But it
' good groups thdt are aga n
' bothers me, it bothers xe when we discount the fact that
khe xmerican congress Party is against this amendment. I
myself. have fought communism a11 my life, and I fight it
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still. I do. not feel Ehat there is anything wrong with
givihg a woman a choice, just the same, I don't think thatthere is anything wrong with giving a man a choice. I beli ve
in dignity, I believe in self-respect and Ifd like to quote
a letter, if I may, from one of my constituents. She
says: 'On the National level, I would not want my daughter
drafted, any more than I wauld want my son draftedg but
since so many people seem more worried about their daughter
than their sons, it would seem like a good way to prevent
wars is to ratify the Equal Rights Ncendment. Perhaps
after it is ratified, these same people will continue to
be more afraid to let their daughkers go to war than their
sons, and they will protect any efforts to involve our
country in war.' Now ladies and gentlemen, my district,
the mail from my district has been about 4 to l in support' of this amendment. When I campaigh/ I campaign :2.on Equal
Oppuruunity for all. At tais time, Iêd liku to make one
final statement and 1:11 close with a quotation from Paulu.k
' 'Constence, a Jew that was talking to the Galaxy and Cir-
' culation in Chapter 3. lThere is neither Jew nor Gentiale
there is neither bond or free, there is neither male or
. female, for .ye are a11 one in Christ Jesus. The support
of the Equal Rights Amendment does not mean the suppork
of sameness, I believe in khe division of the sexes, it' j
simply means the choice of opportunity and equality for a11.'' '
W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Tazewell, Mr. Von Boeckman.D /
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VonBoeckman: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the
House, I believe further debate on this issue would be
repetitious, therefore I move the previous questionwn
W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 those in favor of the gentlemans motionN)
say 'aye' the opposed, 'n'o' the 'ayese have it and the#' #'
previous question has been moved. Ah. . .those of you who
were standing will be recognized on ee lanation of vote
ah . . f irst - Now tmder our . . . . . . The lady f rom Cook , Mrs .
Cha man to close . '' ' 'P
Chapman : ''Mr. Speaker , I just have a f ew remarks to make in
closing . Pirst I ' d like to ask leave to thank the 69
persons who voted for House Resolution 176. We owe a debt
. of gratitude to you and I do thank you for myself and all
of us who are interested in doing what is fair on this
issue. Next, about Ehe E.R.A. , it is really only one
uestion, with which we should be concerned. And that isq
simply this : Are women èntitled to full equality of treat-
ment under the 1aw2 No other issue truely relates to
how one votes today except this one questionz Are women
' entitled to full equality of treatment under the law?
Now I've heard a numher of people say that is really isn't
,' needed, and I'd like to suggest this to you. I think that
is it wereh't needed it would have hàve just gone through
this House and this Legislature before we'would have ever
h to look at it or read ite but thekfact*that 'have c ance
!we have had this ddep seeded kind of opposition inspite of '' this strong public support for the amendment really' to me'i
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a testimony to the needs for this amendment. It's been
suggested that we haven't pointed to the discrimination
that exsists in the Illinois law. Wellr of course you
know that we have an EquallRight Clause' in our new State
Constikution; which we still need to get on with and imple-
ment. And I believe that you will find that there is leg-
islation to implement the new State Contitution that well
be inkroduced in the comming weeks. And I think that a1l
of you on this floor indicated your willingness to vote
for this paace meal kind of approach to corrqcting sex
discrimination, and I hope your Demory is long enough when
we come to the voke on these measures, that your q'green'
light will be on. Whatîs going to happen if this day ends,
and we don't have the required votes in the House? Or per-
haps the reqqired votes in the Senate Commlttee? Is the
fight over? I'd like to suggest to those of you with these
deep feelings of opposition to the œcendment that we have
only begun to fight. If you think : that you've received
alot of correspondence and phone calls, this is just the'
beginning. Justice may be delayed. bvt justice will notbèadeniod. vou' are testing a vote today which is not a
state matter only. It isn't very often thàt we get to vote
on a matter that has the potential to effect not only the
entire united states, but also our children and their grand
children and their children. The vote you east today is
a vote which will be long remembered. I urge you to vote
on the side of fairness and justice. I ask you to vote
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'ayef on the Equal Rights Amendmenko''
. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, the question is shall this reso-
lution be adopted? All those in favor will vote 'aye' and
those opposed will vote 'nay', and the Clerk will take the
record. Gentleman from ah... Cook, Mr. Fleck, did you
have a question? O'Kay.N
Fleck: OMr. Speaker, I just wanted to clarify how many votes
does this require to pass?''
W. Robert Blair: ''Well, the Chair is prepared to rule that the
House Rules are the guide with regard to khe adoption of
. this resolukion and ah... as you recall ke had a ah...
. a resolution concerning that matter, the House Rules as the
now stand do require l07 votes, so that is what the Chair
will have to ah... be bound by.''
Fleck: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker.f'
W. Robert Blait: ''A1l right, now we're on explaination of vokes.
Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea-''
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, I'm
voting 'aye', and I wish that enough of our colleagues.
would join us to pass this resolution.''W. Robert Blaik: ''Al1 right, the lady from Adams, Mrs. Kent.''
Kentz >Mr. Speaker and Members of the General Assembly, as one
who has studied the amendment and believes that that are
enough laws already enforced that protect women and give
them the right to be women, and mothers and work side by
side with men, and that you cannot legislate feelings, I
will represenk the many women who believe as I do and have
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told me so, and therefore I cast my vote as 'no' '1
W. Robert Blaib: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Douglas.''
Douglas: *Mr. Speaker and Members of khe House, it may be true
khak you d'nnnok legislake feelings. buk you can legislate
on the basis of feelings. Since the E.R.A. came up for
the first Eime last year, I have received 643 letters from
my own district in favor of the E.R.A. and I have received
9 letters opposed to E.R.A. from my own district. Since
no one else from my district has spoken today, I feel that
those women and the tens of thousands others deserve to
be represented. I think that this is not a question of
' legality. I get a little tired sometimes of the lawyers
in this House getting on their feety and talking about
the constitution and the legislation from a legal point
of vièw. Every once in a whilee someone who is not a
lawyer has got to stand on his feet and tell the lawyers
' that kaz ' rt: a litlrle t/-red when a matter of Bllch dectp and '
sensitive feeling to so many hundreds and thousands and
millions of people comes before us# that we have to legis-
late on the basis of our feelings. My feelings are that
thoge Women who don'k want E.R.A. are Satisfied wikh khat
they have. My feelings also are that there are millions
of women justifibly fed up with the way in which they arebèing treated as human beings. My feeling also are that
there are many men, many of whom are Members of this House,
who like the way things are, who like to have their women
sitting on their duffs in their homes, just doing whatr ''N
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women have traditionally done in American Historyy in
Colonial Timesy and my.feeling is: that we deservey and
Iîm somewhak uncomfortable with this myself, we deserve
something better from alot of women who want to get out*)
and have opportunities of'equalit# .in our society. And
on the basis of my feelings, the feelings of my wife, the
feelings of virtually every women whose spoken to me from
my district, I vote 'aye'.l
W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Porter.''
Porter: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, I
have heard many arguments and predictions as to the effect
of the proposed amendment. I have read and heqrd more mis-
information, more groundless arguments, more gross exagger-
ations, khan I have ever heard in relation to any matter.
Al1 of these predictions these fears, these discussions,
the possible effects of Ehe amendmente I think missed the
point. We are not consldering a piece of legislation to
meet a specific problem. We are considering an amendment
to the basic law of our land. As such, we must decide not
what it may or may not do to the status quo, but whether
the amendment in the language proposed sets forth a prin-
cipal that we believe in, because that principal is to last
as part of our basic law as long as we last as a nation.
If the:legislators of the several states were to have
looked at the general language of the 14th Amendment of '
due process of 1aw and of equal protection of the laws,
and determined what effect these might have in the future, (+ 9' , .
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these amendments probably never would have been adopted.
For me, the question then, is whether equality of rights,
under the law shall be denied or abridged on account of
what should be a legal irrelevancy. Of course not. I say
that if we cannot stand.foy this principal, our law stands
for very little. I believe that ik stands for a great
deal, I vote 'ayeR.''
W. Robert Blair: pThe gentleman from Madison, Mr. Kennedy.''
Kennedy: OMr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House,
I've had conàiderable trouble with my conscience on this
legislation, and I'd like Eo refer you for a moment to the
picturey#riddler on the Rooff where the main character
there, I may pronounce his name wrongy Tee Vee, always
' talkèd to the Lord. Well, I've talkèd to the Lord in
' my own way on this and he told me to vote my conscience. '
And my conscience today tells my to vote for E.R.A., be-
cause I believe like Representative Harold Washington saidy
' that aborkicn is kzo loagerz ecnnected wtth F.R..F., the
draft is no longer connected with E.R.A., and I have found
donsiderable discrimination in my district. My own town
newspaper discriminates against women. I've had nale mem-
bers of their staff tell me that. I've had female members
of their staff tell me that, and I'm sure that I'm going to
be quoted in the paper for what I say, but I think they
do and I'm sure they do. The banks in my district, the
employees of the bank are probably 75% female, their
discriminated against. Nothin: is done about it under the
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présent legislation. If the state has laws to protect
these people they surely arenlt being inforced, so I have
to change my vote from two years ago and vote to suppork
this legislation and vote 'aye'.e
W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake. Mr. Deuster.o
Deuster: nMr. Speaker, I rise not so much as a M-mher of the
Illinois General Assembly, buk that of a person who has had
, khe previlage and high opporkunity to spend the lask ten
years of my life serving on Capital Hill. It was my re-
sponsibility to represent the adminisEration and I think
that it's quite importank in as much as the name of two
presidents have been metioned that the position of the
Nixon Administrakion be clear. I have the highest respect
for the House Judiciary, which as suggesk Ehak they are
great evils in this proposal. Por example. the Judiciary
Committee says, and this is the distinguished Chairman.
Pmanual Eeller, a great liberal Der.ncret from uew york,
whose khe author of more Constitutional Amendmenks than&
any other American, besides Thomas Jefferson. Mr. Seller
and the Judiciary Committee said that this would mean that
women and this includes nothers, would be subject to thedraft and the milita'ry would be compelled to place them in
combat units along side of men. Now this is just not emoti n-' alism, this is not just alot of junk that's been set out
on your desk, this is the Judiciary Commfttee that has
drafted many many Constitutional Amendments. And the testi
mony of the Nixon Administration before the Judiciary
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Committee has set forth here, and that position is that
this amendment is unecessary. Mr. Wiggins, of California,
asked of the Assistent Attoney General, Mr. Renquist, whose
now on the Supreme CourE: lls this Necessaryz' And his
answer was. 1No'. 1..... and the Judiciary Committee
suggested a reasonable amenamont, which was lost on the
floor and I simply say khat ah... as Will Rogers said
sometimes as he makes a joke, elt's funny, but when Congresdoes, it's the lawp', buk Congress made a mistake and I
tbink that if Congress would have adopted a reasonable
amendmenk we wouldn't be lost in this debate. The real
motive to those of who do not want to subject women to
the military, is that we love them so much we dongt want
to subject them to thate and there's no civilization that
I know of# even the savage indians, have never sent their
women out to be front line infantry soldiers, and so I
Vote 'n03 ''
W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, .Mr. Arrigo./'
Arrigo: ''Mr. speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the Hôuse, be-
fore I cast my vote. I think maybe we opght to palliate
the feelings, the hurt feelings, of the ladies in the
House, and the ladiesvk in the gallery. While the dis-
cussion was going on I jotted the names of a few women
who have changed the course of hiskory without the benefit
of E.R.A.. Let us start with Greek Mythology. Pallas
Athena, the symbol of the Womens Army Corp, sprang fully
clothed and armed from her fathers head. Of course, we a1l<' o r
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know that the Amazons were the bravest of all warriors of
mankind. And the Amazons were women. We khow the stoty
Valkyries in Norse Mythology and the fact that they kook
the slain warriors to Valhalla. We know that the abduction' j
of Helen of Troy launched'a thousand ships that gave Somer
the plot for his Iliad and the details of the Trojan War.
Joan of Arch accomplished a lib'eration of France without
benefit of a similar law. And of course, Betsey Ross sewed
. the flag that gave her historic immortality. We know that
Abigail Adams showed her independence by hanging her wash-
ing in the public rooms of the so ite House in spite of her
. husband's disapproval. Jane Addams, who came into my dis-
trict many decades ago and left her mark on social service.
My own district produced St. Prancis Xavier: a frail Ikal-
' ian immigrant nun, who became a fighter for social justiceleaving a mark that lead her elevation as the first Ameri-'can Saipt in the Roman Catholic Church. Plorence Night-
ingale of course, founded the Women's Nursing Corp when
' she served in the Crimean War. And to our fellow Members'
. è the polish o'rigin in the House, need I remind you all- . P .. .7 .
': that the only person to win the Nobèl Prize twice for
Science was Madame Currie, a Prenlhman of Polish origin.
' And may I also add khat Dr. Maria Montessori left her mark
. in her innovations in education. a1l without benefit of
the E.R.A. The list is a3.long and an honorable one and
I think the ladies can continue to add to this long list'
that has saved mankind over the #ears. And I vote 'nol on (. GEN ERA L A SSEM BLY. ': ' e. Iuulso,s s , s.-- oi : vos...l . s v x v s o-'v''.A -t . ' . . j, a s e s s s s s v a v 1 v s s ''.'.T' -d1 : . sousz o
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the E.R.A. amendment.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Duffw''
Duff: >Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House in
explaining my vote, I differ substantially with the Re-
presentative from Cook: who in her closing remarks, once
again, eonfused this issue kith the queskion of Resolution
176. I spoke sincerely on that Resolution about the need
of consensus and the principle of protection thereby of a1l
minorities on all issues, and in this instance, I speak
equally sincerely when I support khe Equal Rights Amendment
and I ask my collegues to join the consensus of the othernStates kho have approved this Amendment. We are not denyin
the imbuity of the fnml'ly, 1et the record show that we pro-
pose the enhancement of a1l life and not the denial of anye
that we sponsor the protection of the innocent, to give to
women a sign of fulfillment and encouragement to parkicipat
is in no way can engage the beauty of life and death can
' deny khe values of masculinityeof courtesye of <entleness,
or of maternity. I believe that the fears expressed by the
opponents are groundless and I say again, as I said last
yeare that this amendment is not negation of family or
'of womenhood, but a sign and symbol to the proponenks that
we joint their aspirations to fulfill our society. I vote
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W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Houlihan.e
Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House. I
rise to explain my yes vote and ask a1l the legislators to
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join with me in this vote. It has been mentioned that we
are afraidp' some of the opponents have suqgested that by
passing this amendment, their daughters or grandchildren
will have to serve in thp trenches in the front line. I?
would suggest to those who oppose the E.R.A. for that reaso
that there's an easier way to stop our having our daughters
in khe trenches. We could examine the possibility of havin
' no more wars. I would like to suggest....' would like to
suggest to those Representatives who rose and argued that
ihis Resolukion is superfluouse that it is unnecessary andithat zt is meaningless, and that to them, it is unimportant.
I Fould like to suggest that if half of those Represenkativ s
voted for this Bill or khis Resolution, which is so impor-
tant to many of usr it would pass and then we would move
on the the real question of insuring equal rights for all.'' '
W. Roberk Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cooko.ver.oLake, Mr.
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Griesheimer: *Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the Hous .
' It seems to me that each and every one of us were sent to. .
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.' Jjpringfield by 'approximately 250,000 pepple of our District
and we really doq't owe any allegiance to anyone else ou'-
' .. side of our District. At least this is the attitude that
I've taken and I just want to the pep#le to know in the
gallery, that although I apprecidte the voluminous mail
' because it m'akes me look very busy as a freshman, I really
try to listen to the' people back home and make hy decision
according to whav they suggest to me and not what people
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from every place else in the State suggests. I therefore
engaged in the proeess of locating and distributing a
questionaire to my District from 5000 questionaires, and
IRm sure to all of your .delight you will find that the
questionaires indieaked that the people of my District,
on a random 'sample. wanted the E.R.A. passed: two to one,
and Ifm very pleased ko see thak all of khe Representatives
from the 31st District will be unanimonous in supporting
this. I would also like to point out to those people who
have any question as to how the people of the State of
Illinois feel about dqual rights for women to look at the
new Stake Constitution, because on Deeember 15, 1970, the
people of the Skake of Illinois ratified our new State
:r'gkconstitution and it does have such a provision in our
Constitution. So as you cast your vote against the E.R.A.,
consider that you are voting against the majority feelings
of the STate of Illinois. I thank you and I vote for it.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook. Mr. B. B. Wolfe.''
Wolfe: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker. Briefly, in answer to some'of
the opposition, I would ask the members of this House who
were so vocal and so strong in their support of the
Constitution of the State of Illinois, based upon the oath
of office that we take to reflect very seriously and very
carefully and to be consistent in your vote, because sincei1970, as was pointed ouk by the previous speaker, we have
had in the State Constitution and we have lived under
ion l8, which, in effect says, the equal proEèckion JsectIyy'''-'s . . : L -â 7;x I
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of khe law shall not be denied or abridged on account of
sex by the State or its units of local government and
sbhool district, and we ask no more from the Federal Govern
ment at national levels than we have already adopted and
have sworn to enforce and to uphold in the State of Illinoi .
Let's give this equal rights for men and women under the
E.R.A. amendment and vote it out of this House today.
Thank you.f'
W. Robert Blair:' ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hollowayou
Hollowav: ''Mr. Speakzr, and ladies and gentlemen cf the 'Iouse.
I can truthfully say that I began this day without having
firm convictions as to what.oowhat direction I would go.any
And I rkse at this point in time in support of the Equal
Rights Amendment. Before I came into the General Assembly,
my job for two years with the Department of Labor, State of
Illinois was to deal with problems of labor effecting' women in this State. And there are scazements that hawe
been made today and in all the literature relative to the
heavy weights that women will have to lifk, so I can tell
you now that the Supreme Court has said that a woman who
bids for a job will have to do whatever that job calls for.so there's no argument about that. Any women who thinks
that she doesn't have to support her family, I suggesk that
she read Chapter 57 of the Revised Statutes of the State of
Illinois. The obligation is there. I've heard statements
that would indicate that ...a Constitutional Amendmenk of
itself gives or takes away. That isn't true. A Constitu-
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tional Amendment is a statement of broad principles as a
guideline in regards to the specific laws passed...a sub-
sequenkly. As a black man in the United States, I know tha
it was not the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of theNj
United States that freed ihe slaves: it was the Emancipatio
Proclamation. And ladies and gentlemen, I think that if th
women want equal rights, they should have equal ' rights,
and for that reason, I vote ayeo'l
W. Roberk Blairz ''The Gentleman from McLean, le . Bradleyw''
Bradley: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, and ladies and
gentlemen of the House, in explaining my no vote: 1.11 be
very brief, but it has been said that we should be repre-
senting the people who elected us from our Districts and
sent us here and I also have been keeping a close tabs
in my office on the mail that I have been receivihg and it
reflects to my vote up there. I would also like to call to
the attention of the members of the General Assembly a
couple of happenings in other States that I think what
reflect what the people really think. Itfs been mentioned
that radical groups are for and against this particular' amendment. I call to the attention of the members that in
a State wide referendum on this very issuede an advisory
referendum in the'state of Wisconsin yesterday. This issue
was defeated by 60,000 votese 470,000 to 410,000 against.
In the State of Indiana, the Senate in the State of Indiana
decisevely beat this amendment yesterday. Other States tha
have passed it have attempked to recind, so I don't think
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that its ....a....matter of radicals. I never thought that.
I thought it has been an honest, sincere attempt..oa...to
pass this...ap...Resolukion; however, as I stated, in my
area, in my mail, the people that I represent have indicate
to me that wanted a no voke on this issue 'and that is what
I have cast. Thank you.'' .
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentlemen from Macon, Mr. Borchers-e
Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and fellow members of the House, in
explaining my vote, I have never impuned the bravery of
women, I have never imruned that they could stand the sight
of blood as a man. But I happen to be in the Executive
Committee, it was stated and agreed to that approximately
2% of soldiery are combat persons, combat men. I'm one of
the surviving here that like some others here that I know
of, am one of the surviving 2%. I have been in combat
close combat with the enemy: really face to face. I think
' I'm exparlenced ani I just 'want to sayo...may I have a
litkle order, please. Based on actual observation of$
women in combat with the French underground, the Erench
collaborationists and Germans, German women in combat, I
know in my heart that women would be slaughtered. I would
assure youe women in combat, any more than a random foot-
ball team, that picked the boys and a number of girls, the
boys would beat the girls, we have a different relation
to our physical ability. That difference if the difference
of life and death in''combat. I do not want: I would never
want women to be along side of me in combat. I couldn't
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bear the thought of khe responsibility and knowing from
experience, what would happen. Many here in the galleries
and here èn the floor do not believe this, but from
experiencee and I repeat, from experience, I tell you they
would never be able to survive the hardships, the battles
and the troubles of a front line. It's impossible. Now
in relation to my very good....l might close by saying
that I am voting khe way I am for my daughter and my
granddaughters. I love Ehem and value them too much and
now for Representative Arrigo and his position, I would
just like to say in memory of Ulysses and some of theGreeks, 1 believe in memory of them, 1 would like to guote
to him-..l believe it is, the Island of Lesbos. God rest
their souls, the women were there-''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook: Mr- Terzichs''
Terzich: ''Rre you ready for this? Alrighk, Mr. Speakere ladies
and gentlemen of the House. The fact that the legal minds
. %of America cannot agree on the rnmlfieations of the Equal
Rights Amendment, it is evident that the measure needs
revision. The Resolution isnnebular as a proposal.
Duplicitis in its purpose, nmhiquous in its verbiage, and
muddy in its eventual accomplishments- Thank you.:' I am
' ' sure that the legillative forms of the nation, such as thestate of Illinois, can achieve a workable proposal which
would erase the doubts and fears and would provide for
equal ppportunities without the possible consequences ào
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ôften voices. So therefore, on behalf of my wife and
advice of my attorney, Henry J. Hyde, I vote no on this
amendmenk.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Theoooa...Gentleman from.ova.o.cook, Mr. Dunn .>
Dunne: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies a'nd gentlemen of the House. I feel
obligated to briefly explain my vote. Before the election
I indicated that I probably would support the Equal Rights
Amendment. Since that time, I have received a tremendous
amount of mail from a1l over the State. However, I also
received a particularly tremendous amount of mail from my
District. Any others have quoted how the mail has gone in
their District, well, 1:11 tell you in 'my District, my mail
have been overwhelmingly against E.R.A. I have been-.
I was undecided on this issue through January and most of
February, and last...a'couple of weeks ago, last Thursday
night, When I would have liked to have gone home, I stayed
l here bor four hours and listened to the testimony befoceCommittee of the proponents and the opponents. And I want
kto explain to those people in my District who are going to
be unhappy perhaps because I have changed my opinion. I
want them to know that it was based upon much deliberation
and the listening of much testimony and I oppose...a this
amendment for that reason.''
l ir: ''The GenEleman from Cook, Mr. Beattyo'' 'W. Robert B a
Beatty: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House. I'd
like to explainmy no vote on E.R.A. I personally favor
equal rights for women. In my Districk an overwhelming
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majority of the ladies I have spoken to or who have written; .
are opposed to E.R.A. and therefore I feel that I am
honoring equal fights for women by voking no and honoring
what they wish me ko do and that's why I'm voting no on thi
amendment.e
W. Robert Blair: RThe Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Hunsicker.'
Hunsicker: HMr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House.
The mail from my District on this parkicular issue has been
overwhelmingly in opposition to E.R.A. These peo#le have
elected rag to represent tbem. Uow a small group is making
a lot of noise in favor of this amendment and I personally
can't see where the passage of E.R.A. will give women any
more rights than they already have under the law. You know
that there is an o1d saying that after you set what you
want, you find out you dontt want what you want at all.
This holds true with a 1ot of people who voted for our new
Stat-e Constitution in 197û and f know thau if the ulection
rcurwere held this year, and they now know..-would have known
then what they now know, they would have voted the othex
way. If this amendment....is adopted. I am sure that this
* will hold true, because I am sure that women will loose
more rights than they will gain, and for that reason my
vote is going to be no.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman fron Lake, Mr. Matejevich.n
Matejevich:' ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House.
I know we don't have near 107 votes on this issue. but I
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think its importank that a1l of us are recorded on haw we
feel on this very important issue. I think, wey as a
legislature, legislate for today and we also legislate for
the future. I think every issue has its time in history
and I think that ff we really reflect we are going to
realize within our own minds that the Equal Rights Amendmen
is imminent, its passage is imminent. It may not pass this
year, but its time will come. And I think that Illinois
ought to be in the forefront of those who feel that its
passage ought to come quickly. Now: I think Têve receiveà
much of the mail that all of you have: I think that we as
legislatorsz have a duly and an obligation not only to
answer our mail, but I think we have a duly and obligation
to evaluate our mail. Much of my mail on the E.R.A. was
very emotional. Many said that the womens' place is in the
home. I think the womens' place is the same as a man's
place. If its in the home or whereever. tmereever it can
do the best for the family apd for the person, that's where
everybody's èlace ought to be. rfhen I say we legislate for
today and in the future, 1et us again reflect on what the
future will be women and men. Many women have told me I'm
concerned about my daughter and her future. And I say that
wars and our traditional ethic the man being superior have
placed a burden on women because there are less available
men. Wars have taken care of that, and more men have been
lost in traffic accidents, so many women have found it
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necessary to fend for themselves. The divorce rate is
higher. Without the E.R.A., the divorce rate is going
higher and higher. And becuase of that, and ik will be
greater in the future, probably with no fault divorce
itfll be greater so that more and more young women will
find that they will have to fend for themcelves to provide
for thei: family, their family, and I think it will be more
and more important that equality amongst women be given
so that families can be taken care of. Now Leon Kennedy
mentioned about his newspaper discriminaking. You donlt.b
have to go that far. We are representatives of all the
people. Look what's in State government and you will find
case after case of discrimination again-st women in every
facet of State government, so I think that we need this
amendment, andxsome said that it is only symboliê. If ik
is only that, it has accomplished so much for everybodye
women and men, and some say about the draft and I agree with:
my collegue Adeline Geo-Karis when she read thak women Iem
concerned about peace. And there may be two thin4s in this
life time of ours as legislators that will bring peace
quièker Ehan anything. And one was when we granted the
right of eighteen year olds to vote because they have a
voice whether there will be war in the future or note and
the second as far as I'm concerned, is the passage of E.R.A.
because as far as T'm concerned, this can brlng about peacb ;
quicker than any other action than we've done and I support
an aye vote on this resolution.''nvxvw .
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W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Logan, Mr. Lauer.''
Lauer: ''Mr. Speaker'; ladies and gentlemen of the House.
I rise to explain my vote. I like Mr. Dunne, also listened. )to four hours of teskimony here two weeks ago and I attempt d
before that testimony was given ko wipe everything that I
had previously heard about the E.R.A. To ignore the volumn
of mail that had been gratuiously dumped on my desk and int
my mail box and make up my mind based upon the testimony
that was given', because I assumed that this teskimony was
probably the most expert testimony that would be available
on b0th sides of this question because Illinois is consider d
to be one of the key States in the ratificakion battle.
ln doing this I found that direct questions were avoided
by the proponents and that it was vety easy for them to
slip and slide around to a previously prepared position.
The thing that impressed me the most though, was one sectio
of this proposed amendment that I had given no attention to
' khatever. Those of you who have proposed a reverence for
the People Rights Section in the Illinois Constikution
should recognize the fact that under Section 2 of the
proposed 27th Amendment, the legislature of this State
would have no basâs of Daking a law that would implement
our own equal rights section. That power is reserved
under section 2 of this Amendment to the Congress of the
united states. It seems to me that the states have
abbrogated thefr privileges of making law, of judging those
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areas not forbidden to the people nor givén specifically
to the Congress by the Constitution and once again we are
see a power grab on the basis of Washington as opposed to
the legislatures of the individual States. It seems to me1
Mr. Speaker, that the people of this State have spöken and
it seems to me that when we get legislation that will bring
àboùt an equality rights of women in this State that we
should probably support it based upon the validity as we
see it in law. But it comes to my attention Mr. Speaker,
that it would be in consumate arrogance for the people of
this State to oppose their will upon the peo/le of the
other 49 States and demand that they do the same thing that
we have already done. I also recognize Mr. Speaker, that
we do represent the people of our District and I have been
rather careful to also keep a close eye on the mail. The
mail from within my Distriet not that, also gratutiously
dl>ped on my desk. Thl.s mail has run ten to 9ne agaînst
ratifieation. Mr. Speaker. I cast my vote no.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook. Mr. Rayson.''
Rayson: ''Mr. Speaker and momhers of the House. I want to expla'n
my vote. I want to explain my vote, but T think that's
kind of where were at. You know, just as a great contra-
diction of language, it seems we al1 say what we mean, but
' do we really mean what we say. Dr. Bruno Bettleheime in a
lecture not long ago said that this great country believes
in volatarian prînciple that we may di.sagree witN on& hut
defend that person' s' right to say i.t . But he. 'said, yle-
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don't reélly mean that. Now we pontificaied, we've taken
weAve patrohized: we've suggested what future speculations
are to the tender classification of women, but I suqgest
weere also ignoring something in this, and this applies to)
a1l sex. Any ....ik even applies to men and that is
important to. And I've always been an advocate that an
women should have as many rights as men and to have the
opportunity to be as miserable as men, but I would hope
for those who haven't voted as yet, would as least vote,
becuase even thought we have this great ambiguous of
language, and that is that we can all be against discrimin-
ation, but yet we can voke different ways, I would hope
that we can at least vote one way or the otherz but more
importantly, l would hope that we could mean what we say
because this ought to be an apple pie votek noE the kind
of hangup we have and I would think that if were really
ycnest, wefre male chouvinists, thank Go; weere not male
chouvinists pigs.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Davise''
Davis: ''Ladies and gentlemen of the House. A 1ot has been
' sàid on this issue and the debate has been beautiful.
I simply think that because it is on e ' of the most binding
issues to face this General Assemblye that we all ought to
' be heard :n it even for no other reason than to explain our
' vote on it. I think it's that important. Nowe I'm a
Methodist preacher ànd I know a11 a11 of you have received
from the Methodist church this letter. Dear Legislator,
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We support and ask you to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment
when it comes before the General Assembly. Was this out
of Christian position whiçh was affirmed at our general
conference. It is evident we have reached a moment in
history when we must give equal rights for b0th men and
women with a clearly stated Constitutional amendment.
Now ladies and gentlemen, seriously, I want you to hear
this seriously. I'm against discriminating against any onez
male or feknale, black or whitez for what Gcd made thha he
didn't intend for you to discriminate against human beings
for what he made them. Wedve quoted here from St. Paul's
great letter to the Galatians where it was said that neithe
male nor femalè in this life of Jesus Chfiste but only one.
Let me quote this to you and then I'm going to sit down.
This is the first chapter of Genesis. Listen to this.
The very ftrst chapter of Gene/is. So God made in 'nis own
' image and created He Him, not male or female, created He
Him, male and female created He them. We did the separatio
because of sin and you know that. Created He them/ come
here and look at the Bible, created He Him and He didn't
take them when he created them,do you see? He created He
them in His own image and they all were created in His
likeness. Women was given an inferior roll in this ...and
they were given that inferior roll by pen, not by God. The
were given that inferior roll and we here in this country
certainly look upon them as inferior. Now, if you don't
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know how it feels to be discriminated against? Then, you
are really now qualified ko speak on this issue. You've
got to first...you see you've got to first know how it feel
to be discriminated against. I can talk about it because
1 knok in my early childhood how it feels. I'm not a femal
but I must know that when a women works in an offfce/
breaks in a1l of the men who come into that office, stay
there fifteen or twenty years, tea'ch them where to put
there hats. teach them where they get their supplies,
. teach them everything and then they say you cannot be
promoted simply becuase of what God created. Simply
because of what God ereated you. Let me tell you something
it's not only wrong to discriminate against them for what
God created against them, but it's sin, do you hear, for
God did not intend that such a thing would happen. I'm
happy to vote aye.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from DeKalb, Mr. Ebbeseno''
''Mr S eake'r: ladies and gentlemen of the House. TEbbesen: . p
kould jusk like to say khat I am for Equal Right-s forwomen but not for this amendment as the vehicle, I would
like to be recorded as being present and not voting.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Alrighte will the Clerk show Mr. Ebbesen aà
. present and not voting. Now.--a- .wait a minute- .the
Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mugalian./
Mugalian: ''Mr. Speaker if I may explain my vote very briefly.
The arguments pro and con on this resolution have been
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framed in terms on whatls good for women or what may not be
good for women. The arguments have been on the basis of
Pro or anti-female, pro or anti-male. I look upon this
resolution, an Equal Ri/hts Amendment not concerning
necessarily just the dignity of women; nor do I considerv'it a test of our manhood, but I think khat a vote in favor
of E.R.A. is a affirmation of our personalage. I vote '
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W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Tazwell, Mr. Kriegsman.''
Kriegsman: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and :entlemen, I would like to
. explain my vote, and repeat the natural superiority of
women should not be demeaned by manmade laws. I therefore
vote noo''
W. Roberk Blair: ''Record the gentleman no. Have a11 voted who
wished. Wait a minute. The Lady from Cook. Mrs. Catania.''
Catania: ''When John Adams was leavipg to help write the
Canstitution of the Dnited Stakes of Americay Abigail sai.d .
to John, Don't forget the women, we hope that you'll keep
us in mind. And John said to Abigail that he was not ibout
to give away any power to women. We've been fightlng this
fight a long time and we still have a long way to go. One
of the reasons that I'm here in the legislature is becuase
this is one of the few jobs in the State of Illinois where
' women are yaid equally with men. I spent two years standin
in the unemployment compensation lines after experiencing
seven years of sex discrimination in a job. I know whereof
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Constitutional Amendment to remedy the wropgs that we have
in the United States of America. The Commission on thë
Status of Women has just found khat in education in Illinoian area where women tradiEionally we think has been equal
in their opportunities, but in education in the State of
Illinois, and the colleges and universities facultiese
women are grossly dlscriminaked against. Some of you have
said that you heard testimony for .four hours to the
Executive Commlttee on Equal Rights Amendment. I've
heard Eestimony for thirty-one years on the Equal Rights
Amendment. And I tell you that we have despak/ity in our
physical education programs in the State of Illinois, such
despairity that in some areas we don't have physical
education facitilies for girls. I tell you that my daughte s
come home from nursery school and kell me that girls grow
up to be nurses and boys grow up to be doctors. I don't
think 'nhat T can '-mnert tr you the paid and the frnstraticn
that one can experience being the women in the United State-1 t
today. We've come a long way, but we have a long, long way
to go. My claim with the Equal Emloyment Opportunities
Commisslon has been filed for two years and three months.
They have yet to consider it because they have such a back
log. We need the lqual Rights Amendmen-t,we need this
power. We're talking about ending discrimination on the
basis of sex. We're not talking about ending discriminatio
on the basis of height or weight or the shape of our hips.
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voting aye.x
W. Robert Blair: R'The Genkleman from Cook, Mr. Bluthardte''
Bluthardt: ''Mr. Speaker and members of the House. I hate to')
take up more time but I feel khat I must puk Dy two cenks
in here. First, I wank to straighten out the record.
I think that there were others who fought and helped win
World Wak II, if that's what one of the Representatives
was talking about earlier'. I happen to be one who also
saw combat. I met Russian soldiersz I met women Russian
soldiers that would make Borchers run like hell. Now.
I want to talh briefly about the merits of E.R.A. My mail
ran two to one against E. R. A., but I'm voting for it.1
My mail ran at least five to one, much more'than that
against theincome tax when it was up for election or up for
vote here a few years back. I voted for it. I think there
are things that we must vote fore on principle and take the
chances with the electorate. But I wanted to talk about' i in my opinion to adopt this amendment,why it s necessary
the E.R.A. AmendmenE. First, I think that the 14th Amend-
ment to the Eederal Constitution has proven to be inadequat .
insufficient, and second, it has requirea, as a result of
that, a mass of legislation, b0th federal and state, to mak
up for the inequities that the women are experiencing. We
note the Civil Rights Act thak gives them certain rights
but only in matters effecting federal employment and
federal natters. We know that the State of Illinois
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is more 'fortunake than most States because we have did
adopt a 1970 Constitution that provided that there shall
be no discrimination because of sex. But how about the
people of Indianae Mainey Kentuckye Nebraskaz those who
have not such a provision in their Constitution? Who
is to protect them? The new proposed Equal Rights Amendmen
would protect them and that's why I am voting for it. I
feel that the Equal Rights Amendment is a real affirmation
of what the 1aw supposed to be in this United States of
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W. Robert Blair : ''Have a1l voted who wished? The Clerk will . .
the Gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . Getty. ''
Getty : ''Mr . Speaker # ladies and gentlemen of the House . I
too , have received much mail . That which concerns me
from my District. It ran about two to one avainst the
Equal Rights M endment. I decided that it would be
$ j. remes: .àdviseable to go beyond those who expressed an n
and make a survey wb-ich I did. Surprisingly, the telephone
call survey-'which I made indicated two to 6ne ' in f avor.
I therefore , f ee1 that I have on balance, at least an equal
weight. It is th'eref ore up to me , as a legislator for my
District, along with my two collegues on the other side
to cast my vote . I f ee1 that there is certainly no fault
ith the Equal Rights Amendment . I think that is the Statew
of Illinois in its Constitution and the f ramers of the
l constitution of the State of Illinois, saw f1t to pass such
a Constitutional provision that the United states of M eric
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can do no leés. I thérefore am proud to cast my vote aye.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Have a1l voted who wished? The Gentleman
from Cook...Mr. Borchers says personal privilegeen
Borchers: *Mr. Speaker, I admiyted at a prevfous time that Ie '. l
too, had met the Russian women soldiers. One look was
enough: Representative Blukhardt is absolutely riqht, I
would run like hellgf'
W. Robert Blair: The Gentleman from Ogle, Mr. Brinkmeier.''
Brinkmeier: ''Mr. speaker, memebers of the House. Very briefly,
I1d like to comment about the letters that T have received
.. .*he news media, the toils I've read and the conversation
that I've held in relation to E. R. Aw One thought that
constantly runs through my mind, and Ehat is the similarity
of the arguments of today's opponents of E.R.A. to the
arguments that were presented some fifty years ago by the
opponents of womens' sufferage. There is a great deal of
, s.imilarity: there. T suggest to yeu that a green light up
there is a progresàive vote, its a vote that history will
judge to be the right vote. I vote aye.''W. Robert Blair: ''Alrightg now have all voted who wished? The
Gentleman from Madison, Mr. WaltersoH
Walters: ''Thank yop, Mr. Speaker. Rather than explaining myI
no vote after having voted three times on this issue T
' rise on a point of personal privilege- I'd like to tell
you al1 in this sallery, a story about equal rights in Alto ,
Illinois. Yesterday, we had a non-partisan election for
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Clyde Wisehan, Jr. Thé 'rade by most political experts was
Considered a Very close race. Last week, there was an
artfcle fn the Alton paper whfch safd the people's candidat
for may or of Alton for the first time in the history the
Governor of Illinois has endarsed a downstate candidate
for mayor. Governor Dan Walker urges the people of Alton
to elect Clyde Wisemane Jr., the man who will serve the
best, and Iêd like to tell you what happened yesterday.
In 1969, Paul Lynde kas elected May or bf Alton by
1,300 voteé. Last evening after receiving this endorsement' j
for his opponent he was reelected by 2, 600 votes. I would
like to tell the people Eo give the Governor a little
message. I think that for those who want equality and
equal time, I'd like to inform you that the Governor's aid
also said in his news release that other endorsements will
be forthcoming where the Governor knows the candidates and
' feels their princiiles are aliKe. 3o '.-' ttin-k you should
. rush down to the second floor and get fn line for his help.
If Governor Walker plans ko fly to Alton to explain his
endorsement, I hope he will look at the flood, the water's
getting pretty high down there. It appears to me that
Governor Walker is having trouble with mayors from one end
of the State to the other. Tn closing, for you hockey fans
who may be interested in tonight's game, back home the
Alton voters are saying Mayor Lynde scored a great goal
with a big assist from Governor Walker. I hope the Blues
beat the Blackhawks tonight and .o..wait a minute Mr. Speak r,
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and 1. hope that Governor Walker endorses the Blackhawks.
Thank you very mucho''
W. Robert Blair: NThe Gentleman from Dupagee Mr. Redmond.*
Redmond: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and qentlemen of the House,
I am noE yet ready to give up on the new Illinois Con-
stitutfon. IKd like to wait a few years and see whether
or not we have to amen-d the Federal Constitution to give
the women the rights which they so juskly deserve'. There-fore, I1d like to be recorded as voting presenk.''
W. Robert Blairz ''Record the gentleman as present. Have all...
the Gentlemanfrom Cook, Mr. Barnes.''lBarnes: I'Mr.. Speaker and m-mhers of the House. T was sikting
here listening to the various arguments on this question
and T was sincerely hoping that I could cast the 89th vote'
Janie, for the passaqe of this constitutional amendment,
but due to some thipgs that happened earlier today, that1 1
is just not possible at this time. But it seems to mein explaining my vote that many people have talked about
what the 14th Amendment does for Ehe women. And it seems
to me that the 14th Amendment was ratified somewhere back
in the l860's and I can attest to being one that walked
some dusty pathes with Dr. king in 1964 and 1965 to bring
about the Civil Rights Act of '64 that some speakers have
mentioned here today and the Civil Rights Act of'65. So
if we were walking down dusty pathes to implement after
l00 years what was offered in the 14th Amendment, I
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hope 'thàt wome: will not hàve to suffer that long period
of time to gef their equal rights under the law. I am
proud to cast an aye vote'for you and in sikting here
on this day I was trying to bring to mind what DrpKing
would have thought abouk what were talkâng about here
koday. You may not win today, womeh, but I think he would
' have said: wàlk together, children, don't get weary, because
you will win in the long run. I vote aye.''
. Robert Blair: ''Alright, have a1l voted who wished? Por
whak purpose does the Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matejevich
rise?
atejevich: ''Mr. Speaker, Ilve explained my vote, but I sathere and I remembered the debate two years ago, and I think
its fair to a11 of us who were here two years ago. I
rem-mher almo Mcclain sat at my desk one morning and he
had a litEle trouble. Everybody knows about that and some
of us said, Elmo, you ought to go bomee And Ellno, said to
me, John, I've promised that I1m going to stay here and
vote for the E.R.A. amendment. A man who literally gave
up his life for the E.R.A. amendmente and I think the
women here ought to at least meet his sone; Mike Mcclain,
who is now representing himo here in the General Assembly.
Mike, I think you ought to stand up for everybody hereo''
Rpbert Blair: ''Alright, now, the Gentleman from Cook, Mr.
KZXR @ '1
ann: ''Mr. Speakerz I'd like to briefly explain my vote. Mr.
Speaker, l think thaE in many ways, we ought to rejoice
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at thd 'debate.whïch ke have kitnes'sed today in this House
bedause in a dehocracy you are constantly called upon ko
reaffirm your belief in some'of the basic ''principles which'ymake a democracy work. In this 'country, those principles
have always' been equality of opportunity, an equal chance
at doing an equal jobl The Equal Rights Amendment is so
consistent with bur Constitution: b0th Pederal and State,
so consistent with a1l the platitutudes that we constantly
mouth about ourselves, abouk the differences that we take
suuh greét pride in when we compare ourselves to other
countries and othe/ nations and other philosphies that I
stand absolutèly astounded when I look at that voting
scoreboard, I'm going to make a prediction, Mr. Speaker,
I'm going to predict that any issue which is so powerful
that bring together the Mayor of this State.oaof this City
of Chicago and the Governor of this State and the President
of the Uniked States: and you, Mr. Speaker, any issue that
has that force will some day surmount and win in this State.
And I'm going ko make one more prediction, I think we're
going to have a lot of contests in legislative districts
across the state, Mr. Speaker. I think a'lot of gentlemen
who are voting against this Speaker are going to be called
upoa to defend this vote. And, Mr. Speaker, when that
occasion arises, when you have to confront the men and
women of your District and explain why you are for womeh
but when it came to voting for them, you couldn't, I donet
think that is going to be enought to preserve you seat,..e''Ls-4 Jt
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gentleien, pnd r would hope thàt, and I would hope khat
thefe kould be enough'iper'sons on that vote...on that board
enough people 'to recbnsider to put khis bâll over the kop.
We need it, a11 of us needlit, nok. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.''
W. Roberk Blairr OAlright, have a1l voted who wishedz The
Clerk will take the redord.'' For what purpose does thG
Gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Hirschfeld, ariseze
Hlrschfeld: ''Point of order', Mr. Speaker.k
1. Robert Blair: ''Yes.''
Hizschfeld: ONov Mr. Speaker and ladies and gehtlemen of the
Houser we have been I think very patient this morning,
whether you are for or against the amendment, and maybe
its nok a point of order. maybe its a point of personal
privilege, but I frankly deeply resent the comments of
the distinguished gentleman from Chicago, Mr. Manny because
what he's done is saying basically, if you dondt support
his view' on this, khen you are soing to laktv; a contested
' race and so forth and so on. And I might add, Mr. Speaker,
that we have always had a rule about the decorum in this
House. And one of the rules of decorum is people in the
gallery are invited guests of the General Assomhly and they
are not expected to applaude when they happen to agree with
a particular member or to boo or hiss when they disagree
or call for silence when somebody is speaking their side
of the issued is talking or to console each other if
someone on the other side is talking. Now I was going to
say this before, but I didn't want to say this while the
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vote was' beipg taken becuase 2t would be' hisfnterpreted, bu
I would aske 'thd speaker to exert hfs authority and remind
khe ladies and gentlemen of the 'gallery that they are invit d
guests and théy should conduct thehselves likewise.l
W. Robert Blair: eOn this queétfon there are ....Eor what purpo e
does the Gentlehan from Fulton, Mr. Schisler, rise?''
Schisler: *Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded?u
W. Robert Blafr: ''How is he recorded?e
Pred Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as not voting.''
Schisler: 'Ploase record ne as ayeo''
W. Robert Blair: f'Record the gentleman as aye. Alrfghte Mr.
Clerk, whatmopon this question there are 95 ayes and 72 nay ,
2 present. Ando.va...this resolution havidgxailed to
receive the vote required under the Illinois House of
Representatives Rules is hereby declared loss. For what
purpose does the Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Hanahane rise?'
Hanahan: '%Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevaïling side'of
this question before khe House: I now move to reconsidyr
the vote by which it failed.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, I...just a moment, you know we#vebeen by comparison of the last tfme we had the issue up
I think it has been fairly moukhed today. A...the Gentle-
man from Logan, Mr. Lauer, wants to move to table the
Gentleman from McHenry's resolutiono.wor his motion to
reconsider and-o-a.m.the Gentleman from cook, Mr. Davis,
ask for a roll call and if he joined in that by Mrs. Geo-
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Karis and Mrs. DyeF and Mrs. Chapman and Mr. Palmer. Alrig t
Mr.Davis is entitled to a roll' call on the motion to table.
AlrighEy alright, now the question is on the Gentleman moti n
tb ' table the motion ko feçonsfder. All those in favor wi1
vote 'aye and the opposed will vote no. Thà lady from Cook,
Mrs. Chapman.m A...Mrs. Chapmany no. Mr. Matejevich.''
Matejevich: ''yr. Speaker and members of the House. Because1a ..maybe I should wait until you gek this roll call...and
then I'd...I#d like to be recognized, Mr. Speakeroi: Mr.
Speaker, after this roll calle then Ied like to be recogniz .''
W. Robert Blair: DOkay. Alright, have a11 voted who wishedz
Alright, thd Clerk will kake the record. Alright, one
this questions there are 74 ayes and 71 nays and the
Gentleman's motion to table prevails. Wait a minute, the
Gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matejevich.''
lMatejevich, ''Mr. speaker, and ...1...1 do this with, with nopersonal reflectiop on how...h6w anybody votad hefore 'or the
resolution, but I do this because I feel that there may be
some judicial action taken on what we*ve done right now
and persuant to RuleI!70e we, me:nihg, Catania, Chapman, and
myself do respectfully desent to the action taken by the
House of Representatives on Wednesday, April 4. 1973, when
House Resolution l76 to amend House Rule 42 was defeated
in that such action was injurious to the public of the
state of Illinois and I'd like to have that entered on the
House Journal, Mr. Speakerg I think in addition to thate
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in deéraring this parti.eular..m.resolution defeated, but I
would like my' parkizular defense entered on the House
Journal Mr. Speakeroo
W. Robert Blafr: Mfell a... under 70 members, it takes two
members and r take 'ft now Mrs. Chapman fs jofning wfth Mr.
Matejevich. and unde/ that rule 'their dissent may be enteredupon the Journalo.... and Mrs. Dyer. and Mrs. Martin, now
is there any further question. The Lady from Cook, Mrs.
Catàniâ', wants to be added on thàt, alright. Now thak'll
' be Qone. Mr. Raynon, he will be added to that Journal .
entry and Mr. Mugalian. A...any...a well: Mr. Caldwelly
Mr. Harold Washington, Nr. Mann, oh Mr. Mann kzants to be
recognized?'' '
Mann: ''I'd like to be added to and I'd like recognition on a
point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker. The Gentleman
from Champaign, mentioned my name in debate, which is a...*
t:. Robert Blair: ''FoI whak purpose dces the Gentlemun from
Cook, Mr. Juckett, rise?'' k
Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, the Gentleman from Champaign did not ment'on
' the man's name in debate, he mentioned the Gentleman from
chicago and he did not say his name at al1.''
Mannz ''Well, Mr. Speaker, I will ask the Gentleman from Champ-
aignr whether or not he mentioned my name. If he dido.-a
if he didn't, I'd be glad to sit downo''
Hirschfeld: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, I frankly don't remember, but
I'm always elucidated by what Mr. Mann has to say and r
think we should let him get it off his chestoOf
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W'. Robe 't Blqir l ''Alright n' that satisfies Mr .. Juckett , .hopef ul1 . ''
Mannz ''W/1l, Mr. Speakdf, the man did menkion my name in debate
ando.ma..gwhich 'is a prohibited actfvity on this floor.
I didntt ehgage in any prohibited activity, I just made a
prediction which was based on some hard facts derived from
a lot of people 'who indicate thét the# are 'takâng a sudden
and nex inkerest in politics, and that was the basis of my
statement, Mr. Speakèr, it was not intended as a dart in th
direction of the distinguished gentleman from Champaigno''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Barnes: for what
purpose do you risez''
Barnes: ''Mr. Speake/, might my name be added to the dissent?
W. Robert Blair: ''Oh yes, add Representative Barnes and M+ .
Davis and Mr. Emil Jones, Aœ . McGrewy ,e . Douglas, Mr.
Thompson, Mr. Holloway, a Robert Holloway. Alright, now
there are about four items because of the thirty day rulee
we hava ko get ouk o=. tbe way tczday. Alrig-nt o:1 senondl .
reading then, 188. I1m going out of order these are makters
that are running out of time. 188.
red Selckez House Bill 189- A Bill for an Act to amend the
Municipal Code. Second Reading of the bill. One committee
amendment. Amend House Bill l88 on page l and so forth.W
Robert Blair: ''Alright, its read? Committee Amendmentg Mr.
Katà's handlin: it2 Alright. Wait just a moment, Mrs.
chapman, for what purpose do you rise?''
chapman: ''Mr. speaker, I ask leave to call to the attention of
khe- a Representatives that we have been honored today by th
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dezyéateà fxom thà 'state. Convention of the League of WomenVokerks' in an' unp/ecedented ackion, the' 'Skate Leakue of
Wome: Voters adjourned this mornfng from kheir biennial
meeting at Foliday Tnn' Easè fn orde/ to come to the House
of Representatfvei to be a''part of our action today on!
the Equal Rights Amendmeht. Many of them are gone novy
. but I did want to call to the attention of this groupz whomi .I many of the 450 people who wefe appearing in the galleries.
Thank youy sïroD
Wv Robazt Llairk ''Alright, Mr. Katz cn his amendnlent.''
Katz: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House.
Committee Amehdment l inserts into a bill that hâs to do
with making curbs in the State usable by the physically
handicapped. The use of the word with non-slip surface..
ao..and it also includes another technical definition as to
the length of the matter that is put on the curb. A1l of
i that will be explained on third reading, its a technical
amendment approved unanimously by the Committee and I would
move the adoption of Committee Amendment 1.''
. Robert Blair: ''Any discussion? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr.
LechowiczoN
echowicz: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker: I tried to hear Representakiv
Katz's explanation of the amendment, and lAr. Speaker I would
hope that we get some order while the galleries are being
cleared ahd if the Representative would kindly explain his
amendmen: again?''l .. .Katz : ''House Bill 18.8. 1 s the b1.11. l-hall rr/nArA.de..t?.- tB=1' zzr---nerclre
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construction or recohstructed curbs in the State: it wfll
be designed in such a way that ther'e will be a little ramp
put in so that people in whedl chairs will be able to
embark or disembark at the intersecEion, be able to
navfqate around fn their whedlchair. The Commitkee Amend-
ment fs one thét provides that the 'ramp whieh shall be
builk into Ehe curb will have non-slip surface. It's simpl
a way of hïvfng the 'cohcrete in such a way that someone
won't fall. The becond item of the Committee Amendment'
simply specifieé the standard length which has been general y
aecepted by clties and villages and engineers. a twelve 1nc
length, and those are the technical amendments which
were animously approved by the Committee to House Bill l88
and I move the adoption of those technical amendments.''
Y. Robert Blair: ''Alright, al1 those in favor of the adoption
to the Amendment say aye. Oppose no, the ayes have it
and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments?
Fred selcke: ''Amendmerzt No. 21 itatz, œnend Houie Bill 188 or;.
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W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook: Mr. Katz.''
Katz: ''Mr. speaker, I will move to table Amendment No. 2. We
will have an Amendment No. 3 that will replace Amendment
No. 2 which I simply move to tableo''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook: Mr. Shea, likes to
be heard on that?''shea: >Is Commtttee Amehdment fs yek a Committee Amen'dment No.2 '''
Ered Sclcke: ''Ploor Amendment No. 2.''9
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W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, now thé gentleman is moving to table
Amendmeht No. 2. A11 those.modoes the 'gentleman have leave
okay. Alright, iks tabled. The Gentlehan from Cook, Mr.
Katz.e .
Pred Selcke: ''Amendment No. 3, Kakz.N
W. Robert Blair: *oh, okay.W
Pred Selcke: ''AmendttHouse Bill l88 on page 1: line 13 by
inserting immediately and so forth.'''
W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.''
' Katz: Amendment No. 3 makes clear that the #rovision of +h*
bfll will only be applicable in busines's or commercial
areas khat in residential areas. That in residentiàl areas
curbs will not have to be built this way. It does limit
the'bill to the urban business commercial area and I would
move the adoption of Amendment No. 3.'*
W. Pobert Blaix': ''The Gentleman from .cook, Mr. tecbowiczo''
Lechowicz: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker, will the sponsor of thek
amendment yield to questioning?''
W. Robert Blair: ''Yea, he indicates he will-''
Lechowicz: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker. Representative Katz, in the
business and commercial areas, will there be designated
definite locations, where these curbs are to be put in
so that Ehere will uniformity? In case a person is driving
an autbmobile/ he' could know exactly, maybe ak the beglnnin
of the intersection of that specific area?'' That this..this
' .:a àpron would be available?''- 4
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Katzi Repreéentative Lechowizc, let' me say to you that the way
these are deéigned thé ramp doesnet protrude but on the
. street, iEs built into Ehe 'curb so in no way would it
interfere with the kay thd# are designed with traffic that
would be going around the intersection. Cerkainly, they
would be put at thà intersection in a skandard placee in
fact, in thé City of Chicago, some are found already, but
there is not the problem the way they are desiqned of their
befng, anything that motorists opght to know about.*
Lechowicz: ''T was just thinking from a uniformity standpoint.''
Katz: ''I can't hear youo''
Lechowicz: I was thinkipg from a uniformity standpoint.''
' Katz: ''We11, I'm very sure thak they would form uniform standar s
in any city or village, this is a...a...but it would be lef
to the local area and the local engineers, I?m sure that
they would have uniform provision that they would follow.
The specifications are actually built in to the wording ofg
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the bill itself, but as not as to exact locations: I mean
we could not specify. There might be good reason that a
' particular intersection ought to be at one spot rather than
another. I think Ehat is something that the local engineer
would have to locate the exact spot where they would go.
I think it would be a mistake to encumher it with a 1ot of
. rigld requirements that would inkerfere professional judge-
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W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Questions is on the
adoption of Amendment No. 3. A11 those 'in favor say aye.
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Opposed, no. The Ayes' have it. The Amendment is adopted.
Purther Amehdments?'' Third reading.e
Pred selcke: *House Bi11 189. A Bill for an Act to amend
Sectfon 2 of the Eacilikfes of the Handicapped Act.
Second Reading of the bill. One Committee Amendment.
Amend Fouse Bill l89 on page 2, line 1, by deleting may
inserting in lieu thefeof shall, and on page 2, line 4,
by inserting fmmediately after the word may the following,
at any time.''
Katz: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''
Katz: ''Committee Amendmenk l is a ameniment to House Bill
designed Eo make public buildlng usable by the physically
handicapped. It adds ko the section undef the amendment
a requirement that the Attorney General shall investigake
any complaint or a reported violation of the Aet and where
necessary, the Kttorney General may bring action. A1l the2.
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Amendment does is simply make it mandatory on the Attorney
' i ti ate. It leaves discretionary whetherGeneral to nves g
the Attorney General will bring any action. It is an
Amendment suggest in Committee and I think unanimously
approved in committee, I would urge the adoption of Committ e
Amendment 1.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Any dlscusslon? The Gentleman from Cook, Mr.
Lechowicz.''
Lechowicz: HThank you Mr. Speaker. I was wondering why the
recommendation is ko the Attorney General, who has the
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reéponsA-hnklites of actually the hduse keeping of thdse
buildings now? Is i.t 6he Sedretary of Stater some okhe:
offices?''
Katzt A.ogthe background of thfs parkicular legislation ïs that
it fs applicable 'not only to Skate owned bufldings but eveh
to privately constructèd buildings that are used by the
public, so that it would go be#ond khe question of a State
building which would be under the control of the 'Secretary i
of State. A1l that the 'amendment in questions doeé is that
it adds to a new provision, that assigned the investigation
of complaints of non-compliance to thd Atkorney General.
The non-compliance might be eitheF by a State agency, ik
might be the Secretary, or someone else. some State building,
or it could be a private building. It puts a little piece
in the law that we passed abouk two or three sessions :go
that was a pioneering buildings usable by the physically
handieap/ed, so the anzwer. to your inxedia.le quesbitn is
that it is not confined to simply buildipgs that Secretary
' of Skate migh: manage. It would be any public building or
any building used for a public purpose, but ik only covers
new construction. It would not require anyone to reéonstruc
a building thak is already up or put ànything into a buildin
that is already completed. It will only apply prospectively
in the fukure if anyone doesn't comply, then they can go to
the Attorney General and complain that the public body has
not complied with the lawo''
eehowicz: ''Harold, who's responsibility is it to inform the '
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contractors of thesel tnéw laws7''
Katz: ''Thé way the bill, the original bill hâs been on the
books for seVeral sessions now. It says that before the
building deyartmenk issues a building permit, plans have
to be fn accordance vith the architectural specifications
set forth fn the bill and promulgated pursuant to procedures
set forth in the bill. By now, of course. all the building
deparkmeùts are aware and, in fact, the City of Chicago
has incorporated in their own basic ordinances, the same
basic provisfon. The builders, generally, if they go into
. gek a building permit, would, of course, be told by the
building department, if they are not compliance with the
provisions. All architects know about it alreàdy. >
Lechowiczz ''Thank you.''
W. Robert Blair: ''ArG we finished with the discussion? Alright,
the que#tionriis on the adoption ,of the Amehdment No. 1.
;l1 those in favor say aye. Opposed no, the ayes have it,
the amendment is adopted. Eurther amendments, third readin .. ' kNow we've got to go to third reading and we ve got two bill
here that will be running out of time tomorrow. The first
is 28 - '' 'Selcke: ''House Bill 28, Bill for an Act to amend the Illinois
income tax act, third reading of the Bill.M
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Schneider.''
Schneider: RThank you Mr. Speaker and m-mhers of the House.
House Bill 28 is an exemption on the Illinois income tax
form to allow that children who are defined as handicapped
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under' thé 'Skhool Code and those Qhd are too severly handi-
capped to be included in thàt as well as those who are
institutionalized to behefit from an ekemption that amounts
to $25 per peison. Thd tokal cost of the bill for those
of you whd are going to ask thét questîon is stand one-
half million dollars. So that the :amount is not as Iarge
as some of thé exemptions which. have 'passed through the '
House in the previous few weeks, including one that deals
with exemptions for students in privake schools. Now, what
I aontend -r.n tbis bill., is that we are beginning to '
recognize that institutionalized care is not the absolute
solution to many of the problems that involve children ir
the State bf Illinois, so I think that we undertake with
this bill and hopefully, pass, is the notion that perhaps
an exemption can demand from the parentssto a small degree
some kind of accountability in this .wwa...concern for the
handicap by allowing them this additional exemption. The
' bill, as I said does cover June 20, School Code and also
those who are institukionalized. I solicit your support
on the Bill.''
bert Bla'ir: ''The Gentleman from Whiteside. Mr. Millero''. Ro
'ller: ''Wil1 the Gentleman yield to a question?'' Mr. Schneidery
I read this bill a couple of times and the amendment and
I am disturbed because I'm not sure that the sections
referred to in the School Code. My question is this, is a
parent entitled to an addftional exemption under your pro-
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support of thé child? My inter/refatîon would be ïhat hé '
would bc 'entitled to the $1000 ekemption even though the '
State, for ekample, was picking up thé tab is the khild
was in an tnstitution. CAh you ehlfghteh me please?
Schneiderz ''Yeh, well what the skake picks up# in man# cases,in not adequate fn-the 'firsk place 'and I think you ought
to be 'eligible for the exedption.R'
Miller : ''They would be2 ''
Schneider : ''Yeh.''
Mil 1er : ''lœl.1, r th-fnk the philosophy is wrong.. >tr . Sr.eaker #
may I address myself to this proposal? A Mr. Speaker and
ladies and gentlemen o f the House. I think it is absolu-
tely wrong if the State of Illinois would allow an extra
$1000 exemption to the parents of a child who are not
any out-of-pocket money, who are not supporting that child.
I also might say, Mr. Speaker, and I think every member on
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tnis House 'floor knows that 1; in addition to thàt, I zkaveI' opposed erodinq state income tax. I think we're wrong if
we continue to amend the Illinois income tax 1aW in such a
way that we are going to have a monstrous State income tax
form with all the problems that we have on the national
level. For these reasons, Mr. Speaker, I oppose this
legislation.''
Schneider: >Mr. Speaker, you might note that on that Kenny
the parent still picks up $50 a month on the child when
he is institutionalized, so your not saying he's never
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that. And also rehepber on line 17 on thd '1040 for the
Fedefal income 'tax we 'are 'still concerned about an area'
that fs below 3% which is not picked up by thé parent or
the provider in thfs casek so T think there are times' whèn
the fndividual will be out of money and thîs is a small
exemption that only amounEs to $25 per fndividual.e
W. Robert Blafr: Qpurther...a..ot-he GenEleman from Cook. Mr.
Katzfl
Katz: 'lI regret to rise in opposition to my collegue's bill,
but I confess this House is certainly the' accountantts
' besk friend in Illinois. We start out with 'an income tax
act which was reasonably in compliance with the Federal
law, very easy to administer and we keep coming in with
different amendments, all of whieh seem to be well designed
for fine organizakions and groups. but the end result is
that we will ' have an income tax law that will only help .
t-ae acszounkant. I think that we would be wnll advised. that
if peoplé want to grant special privileges with referenceN
to the taxes, 1et them go to the Congress and incorporate
it in the Pederal tax. It ought to be so that a1l an
individual in Illinois has to do is to simply send in a
cofy of his Federal income tax form to the Btate of Illinoiand that's a11 he needs. As it isy we're having a full
' employmeht bill passed for accountants with a11 of these
handy little things that we add to our own laws that com-
plicate the problem of the tax payer and, hence, I have to
vote no.e
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Lechdkidz: ''Mr. speaker, ladie/ and gentlemeh of the House.
1* concur with the previous speaker totally fn reference
that thfs is specîal legislation. There fs no queskion
that possibly the&e people should have additional consider-
ation because thé burden Ehat theynt6hcur on a day to day
basis, but also thfoughduk the 'life bf that child. They
for sure need special educakion and in turne the State shou d
provide this to the best of their ability and our ability.
But I would hope that the sponsor of thfs measure would
. in no way, impune any member of this House, wben he votes
against this measure becauseg one, it is 5 and one=half
million dollars out of the general revenue; two, I agree
with Representative Katz, that if any changes should be
made in the State income tax formula, that we should submit
a copy of our Federal tax, we proposed this 'to George
Mahon when it was first inikiated to eliminate some State
employees in conjunction with the certification with yourk
Eederal returns. I would hope that the momhers of this
House would look at this bill and in turne consider the
ramifications of it. I ask for a no voke.''
Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Well, Mr. Lundy
wanted to say somethipgon
. undy: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House. This is
indeed a difficult kind of a bill to get up and oppose.
Just as the income tax deduction bill last week for tuition
payment was a difficult kind of bill to et u and o ose.
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' But, Më hust bd bd 'clear in our own' minds... that in
opposing exemptions or deductions for cefkain kinds of
ekpenditureé, we are 'not opposfng the making of those
expenditures, nor are we opposfng the Mroups on whose
behalf the 'expehdfture/ are made/ fk would be absurbed in
my viev, to say that if you oppose ' this amendment to the '
income 'tax act, you oppose handicapped children. This
.would seem absurb to me to say thàt if you oppose the bill
last week, you opposed sehding children to school and payin ''
thefr tuition. The point that we must ked/ blear in our
' minds is that the fncome tax code is not Ehe place 'to put
subsidities for othefwise desireable sociable behavior.
If we want'ato subsidize this behavior, let's do it directly
let's put it out in the open where we can seG 'the cost and
balance it against the other kinds of appropriations that
we have to make for the State. Let's us not turn our
Ftate Jatcome tax into Nbat the F'ederal incorte i-ax ltgs lcng
since become, a monstrosity which only a tax lawyer and an
accountant can manage. Let's keep it simplç, let's put our
subsidities into the law directly and overtly where they
belong and leave 'the income tax alone.''
W. Robert Blairz DThe Gentleman from Duppge, Mr. Schneider, to
schneider: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker. As in some of the previous
comments, perhaps it would be interesting ko note that the
State has a responsibility to control thd 'amount of revenue
j it can. gather in disbursements. It seeds to me 'that thevz
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last term, when we dealty with property tax relief: when
we talked about circuit breakers, homestead exemptions, we
were al1 too willing to answer into thak area of regulating
the flov of income, but ko great extent, from the local7municipalities, and other'local governing bodies. So I
think we are making an adequate test at this point, to
suggest that the Stake ouqht to take a good look at the
way it controls itàf' flow of money and I solicit a vote on
this issue, which is minimal, its amount in dollars that
it is requesting and that its attitude in the way we deal
with the handicapped is more important. I solicit your
support once againp''
W. Robert Blair: ''The question is, shall House Bill 28 pass?
All those in favor will vote aye and the opposed, no.
Have all voted who wished? Ah....Mrs. Macdonald votas noz
she says her switch is noE working. Record Mrs. Macdonald
no. Brinkmeier is going to vote aye. Alright now have
al1 voted who wished? Clerk..othe Clerk will take the
recordwh Chbate, aye. Holloway, present. Mccourt, aye.
The question...there are 52 ayes, 51 nays, and l present,
and this bill having failed to receive '.a Constitutional
majority is hereby declared..is hereby...failed. Yehr it's
been a long afternoon, Yeh. 122.''
Pred Selcke: ''House Bill 122, a Bill for an Act to regulate
the distribution, sàle and delivery of eye qlass and sun
glass frames and lenses, third reading of.the bill.''
W. Robert Blairz ''The Gentlemen fromccook: Mr. Maragos.'e
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. Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker and members of the House. House Bill 122
prohibits khe diskribution of glasses not fitted with
heak kreaked glass lenses, plastic lenses, or other lenses
laminated lenses. Ik also prohibits the distribution of
frames containing cellulos'lnitrate or other highly flamable
material. After hearing the Comnitteg, this bill was also
amended on the floor, with an amendment staking that many
other modern ....... khat are being used now in the
industry to result in the same effect, can still be used
and iks a good bill for the safety and welfare of our
industrial workers, of our children: and for evnryone v'ho
uses it, who uses glasses. It also applies with the
Federal regulation, in the respect, that the new laws
Ehat were passed by the Pederal government and regulations
are now fulfilled also in our State level in our own State
Government, State laws, therefore I ask for your supportati e
vote . '' I
.W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, the diseussion? The quesèion is
.. . shall House Bill l22 be passed. A11 those in favor vote
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aye, and the opposed, no. say aye. Brinkmeier, aye.
Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record.
ceo-xaris, aye. There are 19 ayes, no nays, this bill
' having received the constitutional majority is hereby
declared passed. Alright, Senate Bills first readingo-.a..
Fred selcke: ''Senate Bill 32, a Bill for an Act to amend
the Juvènile Court Act, first reading of the bill.
senate Bill 33, a Bill to amend the Juvenile Court Act,
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first reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 35y an Act Eo amend
an Act concerning the abuse of children, first reading
of the Bf11. senate Bill 36, an Act to amend an AcE
relating Eo the abuse cf childreno, first reading of the bi 1.l
Senate Bill 92, a Bill for an Ack to amend the AntiwTrust
Acte firsE reading of the bill. Senate bill 104, an Act
to amend khe Banking AcE, firsk reading of the bill.
Senate Bill 110, an Act to amend an Act relating to human
blood, first reading of the bill. Senate Bill l1le an Act
to amend an Act relating to State finance, first reading '
of the bill. Senate Bill 118, an Act to amend the Eleckion
Code, first reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 119, an Act
to amend the Public Aid Code, first reading of the bill.
Senate Bill 122, an Act to amend the Cbiminal Codee.first
reading of the bill. Senate Bill 127, an Act to amend an
Act relating to nursing homes, first reading of the bill.
' Senatne Bi.! l 13 3 , axnd Act. t o amend r;e cti or 13 *- ';- . 2 ; and 5
and the titlè of an act to create a commission to exnml ne
state institutions, first readinq of the bill. Senate
Bill 134, An Act making a Commission to examine State
institutions, first reading of the Bill. Senate Bill 160,
an Act to amend an Act in relation to criminal identificati n
and investigation, first reading of the bill. Senate Bill
171, making an Act making appropriations of legislative
counsel, first reading of the bill. Senate Bill 260,
Act to amend section 1 ' .. ' '3. ' ''an , .
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4, l2, and 21 of an Act to provide foreign relation,
first reading of the bill. Senate 261, an Act to amend
ah Açt relaking '#o recorders, first reading of the bill.
What about this, do you wa/t to advance this? Senate
Bill 302, an Act to amend an Act relating to the
Secretary of State: first reading of the bil1.*
W. Robert Blair: pThe Gentleman from Vermilione Mr. Craig./
Craig: ''Mr. Speaker and members of the House. I have talked
with the leadership on b0th sides of the aisle, the
' Magority Leadez, the Speaker and the leadershlp oà this
side. Senate bill 302 is Ehe same bill has House Bill 633
which we passed last week and I'd like to ask for the leave
of the House to advance this Bill to second reading without
' reference to Committeeo''
W. Robert Blair: ''Alright: this requires l07 vokes. He's askin
the senate Bill 302 be advance to the order of second readi g
without reference to Committee. Okay, take the 107,
' ' al1 those in favor vote aye, and the opposed no. Have
11 voted who 'wished? clerk thke the record. Jake Wolf ,a .
aye. Piotrowicz, aye. Washburn, aye. Robert Dunne, aye.
Kempiners , aye. Sevcike aye. Tom Miller' aye. Hudson, ay .
Porter, aye. Griesheimer, aye. Palmer , aye . Geo-Karis #
aye . Robert Hol.loway, aye . Boyle, aye. On this question
l44 ayes and l nay and the qentleman' s motion tothere are
dvance prevails . AV d the bill will go to second reading.a
Now. . .a. . .just a minutee we ' 11 get there. On consideration
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to poskponed, Mr. Ewell, doesn't want his called. Mr.
. Juckett says he wants to take his back to second, 421.
Is khere leave for him to take it back to second'3for khe
purposes of an amendment? Alright, take it back to second
and you want to table some of them? You want to kable
somekhing or are you gcnnaz. ...N
Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, and memebers of the House. A...when
we were in the debate on House Bill 421, it was brought
to my attention that there kere some inconsistencies in the
' drafting and we have proposed an Amendment No. 1...a...
am I ahead of time, Mr. Speaker?o
W. Roberk Blairz ''Read the Amendment, is it out on the desz?''
Juckett: ''Yeh.''
W. Robert Blair: ''I got it back there now. Is it out on khe
desk then?''
Juckett: ''It should be.''
w. Robert Blair: ''Is it on the desk? Is it on the desk?''' ered selcke: ''Amendment No. 1, Juckett, amend House Bill 421
lines 22 through 24.'' 'ê
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cooke Mr. Juckettap
Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, this would give the third alternative
for mailing a ballot to a location outside the county
which was inadvertently left out when we drafted the bill
and also would provide for a voter, if he's confined in a
hospital, mailed directly to that hospitale and I would
urge the adopEion of amendment No. 1 to House Bill 421.*
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W. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion on the gentleman's
' amendment?' Mr. Shea?''I
Shea: NWi11 the sponsor yield for question?' Bob, this .is the
bill that you pulled out pf the record the other day and)
as I read this amendment it will allow people that are sick
to have khe absentee ballot mailed to the place of their
confinement. Is that correct?
Juckett: ''That is correcto''
Shea: ''M d that is a1l that it doesz'' .'t71
Juckett: ''And also for, it corrects the language of omission
of mailing it outside the county to someone who is going
to be out if he wanks Eo mailed outside the county.
Shea; ''In other words, it leaves that portion just as it is now-''
Juckett : ''Yeh . ''
Shea: ''Alrightw''
W. Robert Blair: ''Is that it? The question Iis on the adoption
I of the nnendment, a11 those in favor.o..The Gentlelnan from .
Leon: nl have a question for the sponsor, will he yield for
tioningz'' ' 'ques
W. Roiert BlaiH: ''He indicates khat he will.''Leonz ''Mr- Juckett, would this mailing to a person who is ill:
itat'e a doctor's affidavit or notz''necess
' Juckett: ''That is presently being taken by other legislation,
you ask me that when we were discussing it, I check the
record and there is provision for somebody who is in-
compacitated to get on a permanent rule of that one, and
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so we 'did not feel Ehat it would be proper to put it into
this bill when there was already a bill concerned with that
situationo''
W. Robert Blair: œAny further discussion? All those in favor
of the adoètion say aye. Did you want Mrs. Macdonald
on this issue? Okayy I didn't ask for the no's, but Mrs.
Macdonald is recognized.''
Macdonald: 'RI just wondered, Mr. Speaker, where this bill is
going to go after this consideration. Will it go to
third reading to postpoùe consideratlon?''
W. Robert Blair: ''It will be advanced to khird. That's its
normal course, you can also postpone considerationg you
I can go back to second reading..-a-..its already been reada second time, so there is no purpose on its staying on
second. The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. William Walsh on that
makter.'' '
'vq. walsh : '.Weâ 1, Mr . Spcaker , ' si:-kca it 'kas taktan f zom '
. . postponed consideration through the order of second reading,
and amended, it seems to me that it should go to postponed
consideration.''
W. Robert Blair: pFor what purpose does the gentleman from Cook,
Mr. Shea rise?,
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, are not Ehe House Rules that a bill can
only be put on postponed consideration one time? That
that bill having been postponed is now, goes to the order'of third reading and get called in the normal course of
the events and it either goes up or down the next time its
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called?'' I think the rules prohibit from going to postponed
considerakion for the second time.''
W. Rober: Blair: ''Riqht, well, the procedure that's been
followed in the House has been when a sponsor has a measure
on postponed consideration, gets leave, which was done here
to go back to Ehe order of second reading for an amendment
to be addressed to it, that then after the House addressed
itself to khat question, it is advanced to the order of
third reading, it is not as a matter of prackice that...
we have not as a matter of fact, gone to third ....postpone
consideratfon. The Gentleman from Cooke Mr. William Walsh.''
Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, they have indeed, gone from second reading
to postponed consideratâon and this I can recall considerab e
debate.on. And the reason that I'm making the point is,
that a bill on postponed consideration, stands much less
chance to pass, than a bill being called from third reading,
because there is a tendency to forget the previous experien e
with it, postponed consideration brinqs to mind the
experience that we had qçith it before. But, in answer' to
Representative shea, I'd like to point out that according
to the rule, if a bill is called from postpohed considerati n,
' a strict interpretation of the rule, if a bill is called fr m
postponed consideration and brought to second reading, the
action on second reading, then according to the rule, defea s
the bill. That's the end of it, so I suggest, Representati e
Shea, that that's not the purpose of the rule. The purpose
is to give a bill just two shots and no more than two.V> x+F
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As you can reeall: we have in the past put bills on
postponed consideration continually and it became onetous.''
W. Robert Blair: ''The GenEleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.e
Shea: *1 donet....might I just direct this to the MajorityN
Leader. I don't see where the language says thak the
action on second reading defeats itself, it says that a
bill taken off postponed consideration shall not be placed
there again or language similar to that. I think that was
our inken: and could you poink out the language in that
rule? Where is says that our action on second reading
defeats it?''
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook: Mr. William Walsh.''
Walsh: ''I call your attention to the last sentence in Rule 38
which says a bill may be placed on the order of postponed
consideration only once and may be called only once there-
after, now we have called it to second reading, that's the
end of it, we could not call it on third reading accoring
to this rule.'''' Shea: ''Well, I think only called once means once for passage
but youvcertainly have pointed out to us the deficiency in
the rules and I think next time the Chairman of the Rules
Commx'ttee, we n'ought to amend that section to be called
once for passage, but I think under that rule it clearly
prohibits us from putting that back..w.bill back on post-
ned consideration-'' 'po
Walshz ''Jerry, I Ku/gbst that you have pointed out the defici-
ency in the rules and that the fntenkion of that rule is no
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to put a bill on third reading after it has been on post-
ponëd consideration and amended. But the intention of that
rule is simply that it cannot be called Jor passage except
one more time and cannot be postponed after an attempt to%
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Shea : eNow that the sponsor has amended thf s bill, he could
I assume, right now move it to third reading, call it and
attempt to go up or down with it, is khat correct?/
Walsh: ''We1l, if that were the order of business, but I suggest
that he would have to puk it on postponed consideration and
then call it.''
Sheak ''Well, its gotta go to third reading before it goes to
postponed consideration no matter what we doo''
Walsh: Hpostponed consideration is the same as third reading.
We have an order of business postponed consideration.''
Shea) ''If you remnmher: the Speaker ruled last lime that we hadposkponed considerakion second reading bi11s.''
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W. Robert Blair: NWell: rather than get omhroiled in a lengthy'
argument here...a...I think from a technical standpoint,
'' Rule 38: which is postpoied considerationo-.oa.-.does not
. address itself specifically to the questionooo.a...as a
matter of practice we have always allowed a person who has
' a bill on postponed to move it offoto move it off of post-
' poned, ask leave to move it off of postponed consideration
back to the order of second reading. Now technically, if
you go to ...a...a...Ru1e 35, it says after the second
reading of the bill, the Speaker shall order the bill and
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and amendments transcribed typed and advanced to the order
of third reading. Technically. And that's.wothak's what
the rule says and I ...Mr. Walsh is raising a good point,
hels really saying that in'.cases where it has gone from
postponed to second, you should give i: back to postponed,
buE technically, I can'E find that in Rule 35. In other
words, it says after you come back, ites being read now a
' second time as amended with this amendment' 35 says that ik
shall be advanced to Ehe order of third reading, not third
raadiug postponed, and I thiI+ ...I think technicallyg that
' what youRre saking is what we ought to do but I'm not...l'm
not sure technically done that in the past. The gentleman
from Cook, Mr. Sheao''
Sheaz ''Wel1# when we amended this bill on second reading, it
' makes it a new and second bill, the rule requires that you
take it from second reading after a1l amendments and go to
third reading.'''
. w. àobert Blaik: wThe literal reading of the Rule 35, right.''
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action being taken by this Housee''
w-'nobert Blair: owell, thak's right and we...weo.owe took
House Bill 421 from the order of consideration postponed
by leave of the House back to the order of second reading,
and that's been a standard practice. Leave was given for '
the purposes of an amendment on second. Then the question
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was asked by Mrs. Macdonald: what will happen with the
bill after the amendmenk was considered? And I said the
normal practice had been to advance it to the order of
third reading under Rule 35. A...Mr. Walsh makes a good
point that the matter has been on postponed once, may be
its on third reading, it should be considered off of the
postpohed calendarr but 1ts about the Chaires recollection
that's ackually the way we proceeded. The Gentleman from
Cook, Mr. Duff.''
Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, I think that the Chair's point is that
there is no teehnical answer in the rules, itls very
perEinent and I would suggest that that being the case,
perhaps this is one of those rare instances where Roberts
Rule would applyy there being no technical a.p.a..point
in the House rules on that and since the motion was a
limited motion: a motion to take back to second reading
j tonly for the purposes of amendmentr would it not thenproperly go back to postponed consideration automatieallyz''
W. Robert Blair: ''No...no# I think, the only way you get back
to second reading, as wedve done it. is by' leave of the
House and when were back there, and once youêre back there
khe bill has been read a second time, previously, but it
has not been read a second time with the amendment that is
going to be put on it, so now itls being read a second time
with the amendments being put on it so it meets the
Constitutional requirements and the only rule, as the Chair
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sees it, that applies in that situation is Rule 35, which
says that after the se'cond reading of a bill. which is what
we#re are doing now: thak the amendment is adopted, the
Speaker shall order the bill and amendments transcribed
and typed and advanced to the order of third rpading. Not
' to the order of postponed consideration. The Gentleman
from Cookp Mr. Bermano/
Berman: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the
House. I think that nok only is the Speaker's ruling
fortified by the wordin-g of a Rule 35, but also by the
' custom and usage that we have followed in the House. It
think that the Majority Leader's point may be a good one,but I think that really to be fair to the sponsor of this
bill: that our past practice has deemed that after it's
amended: it goes to third reading, and that if there ought
to be a change, I think it ought to be brough up in front
t7Q- the Rules Cormittee and disctu'.sed there. But I think
i h always been that it goes from'secondour past pract ce ask
to third.''
W. Robert Blairz ''Alright, now is there any further discussion
on the matter or on the amendmentz Alright, a11 those in
favor of the adoption of the amendment say ake, opposed no.
The ayes have it, the amendment is adopted. Are there
further amendments? Now third reading. Alrightr were on
motions, Mr. Shea wantsqjust a couple of fast verbal motion
here.''
shea: ''Mr. Speaker, on the calendar is House Bill 483, which iszsvxê ' 1>, . r G ENE RAL A SSEM BLYYt 1
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a local government tax study commission bill. I would
move with leave of the House that this bill be sent back
to the Commz'ttee on Reassignments so that it could be sent
to the Appropriation Committee. There are two àppropriatio
bills that are companion io this that have not been heardyet and I would not want to mave this bill without knowing
the appropriation was there. So, with leave of the Rouse
I would like to move that this bill be sent back to the
Committee on Assignments.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, this is on a ...a an unusual pro-
cedure, but the Gentleman is asking leave to have a bill
of his taken off of the calendar on where it is on the
order of second reading and put in the Committee on Assign-
ment of bills for reassignment by them. Alrightp is there
objection? Alright, hearing none, then that bill will be
put back in the Committee on Reassignments. The Gentleman
from Wills, Mr. Kempir-ers has a similar motionos' No, not
' 41 /yours! '
Kempiners: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker, I would also like to have
leave of the House to have House Bill 406 reassignede or
sent to the committee on Reassignment of bills so that it
could be assigned to a comnittee on put on the interim
calendar.'' '
W. Roberk Blair: ''Alright, the gentleman is asking basically
now that the same thing that Mr. Shea asked fot. Does he
have leave to have that bill taken off the calendar and
placed back on the Committee on Reassignmenk'3for handling'TXQX
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by this? Alright, hearing no objection, then that will be
done. For what purpose does the Gentleman from Cook, Mr.
Duffe rise?f' ': lDuff: >Mr. Speaker, I arise for a point of personal privilege.
The gentleman from Madisony at an earlier point in the day,
made a point relative to the Covernor's endorsement, which
I can hardly take umbrage. On the other hand, he referred
to a hockey teamo..ay..t-hat is going to be involved in
a contest soop. with the Chicago Blackhawkseqand I may have
in the gallery in the Speaker's gallery on the right, four
loyal Blackhawk fans who I'm sure would take great offense
had I not responded. Blackhawk fanr Brian, Kevin, Robert
Danny are sitting up khere and..a..l know how they felt
about that remark.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Is yours a similar requesk as Shea and
Kempinerpsz Juckettz Wo.''
' Juckett: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker, I think I have to ask a parliament ry
inquiry on 421. Do we have a new time limit starting?
. I'm sorry I did nok hear the request for referring back to
the commit-keé on Assignments.'' .W. Robert Blair: ''nobody addressed themselves to 421 after you
finished with it.''Juckett: ''It was a different bill? I'm sorry I was informed
it was 421.'. .W. Robert Blair: ''Your source is wrong. Now, where are we here
Oh, Conference Committee report on that S.J.R. The Gentlem n
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from Cook, Mr. William Walsh.''
Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House.
This Senate Joint Resolution No. 25 if you'll recall was
the Senate Joint Resolution which the House did not concur
in because..a..they..othe vesolution to begin with requires
the khe transporation study commission be directed to give
consideration of providinge to suggesting a mass transpor-
tation authority in the form of legislation by May 15 of
this year. The Senate however, added the words, with taxin
power, which would have required that the authority have
taxing power within Ehat area. A Conference Committee was
appointed and the Conference Committee agreed on language
and the Heport is on your desk but khe language generally
removes with taxing power and provides that the transporta-
tion study commission be directed to do this and that the
legislation that they suggest, b.e...a.ohave in it that it
be financed in part by local sources, and I move khe
adoption of the Conference Committee Report.H
W. Robert.Blair: ''Alright, Ehe discussion. Shea?''
shea: RI just to go along with the Conference Commlttee Reportg
it is signed by al1 ten momhers of the Conference Committee
and its been unanimous on b0th sides of the aisle of the
Houseo''
W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, the Gentleman from Christiany Mr.
Tipsword.''
Tipsword: ''Would the Majority Leader yield for question, please
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Tipswozd: ''I should have been listening more closely, but what
is the import of khe language that says it should be
financed in part by local sources? What does it mean?'''1
Walsh: @Well: I'm not too surè, but it does not mean, that ther
<il1 have to be a levye that is, khere would have to be a
real estate tax levy ot Ehat there would have to be a
gasoline tax or a utility tax or some specific tax for the
purpose of financing the Regional Transportation Authority.
I think that probably what it means is that local governmen
, the City of Chicago, the County of Cook, for example, can
conkibute in much the same what that they are contributing
to the operating subsidity nowol'
Tipsword: ''Is there any possibility that it means something
else in part: that perhaps they should be looking someplace
else, perhaps the legislature for the other park of financ-
ing, is that what the prupose of it isz''I
WâlsH: ''We1le well I can't really say, whether it does,or not.
It in part could mean that it would be from the ?air box
of financed from contributions from ah... from a carriersy
it could mean almost anything including, I wouls think fin-
anced by the state, iarpart.''W. Robert Blairz %A1l right, the question is on the adoption
of the Conference Committee Report. Al1 those in favor....
A11 right, this is just lyes' or'no'. Al1 those in favor
say..... it's a resolution, so itfs just 'yeas' or 'nays'.
All those in favor say 'aye', opposed, 'no'. Thelayes'
have it and the resolution, Conference Keporty with respect
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to S.J.R. 25 is'tàdo/ted. Now are there any announcements?'
j 1Mr. McAvoy.
McAvoy: >Mr. Speaker, Banks and Savings and Loan and Members
of the Committee...mBanks pnd Savings and Loan Committee
will meet immediakely after adjournment in Eoom M4.
W. Robert Blair: ''Mr. Walshkp . '
Walsh: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker, subject to an individual Chairman
having some difference with this, Committees will meet.....
2:00 Committees will meet immediately after adjournment.
) Teh 4:00 Committees will meet an hour and a half afkeradjournment. I know that Representative Bluthardt has a
change in rooms or..... I beg your pardon, he doessmot have
a change in rooms. But if any individual Chairman with
a schedulèd'fmeeting would like to differ with this, he
may do so and make the announcement at this timeo''
W. Robert Blaik: ''Al1 right, gentleman from Cook, Mr. Duff.''
. Dtcf f : ''Mr , sreaker , theria ' s beerï solne small. amcunt of ccmf usion
that has come to my attention because of the faet that the
Senate Executive Committee met in 212 today and the Judi-
ciary Committee was rpuppeted for 2l2 today. The Senate
Executive Committee has vacated the room so we kill meet
in Room 212.:'
. Robert Blair: DAre there further announcements? Gentleman
from Cook, Mr. J.J.Wolf.''
.J.Wolfz ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, there seems
to be an error on the calèndar-a The ah.. ''veteranr.lAffafrs
Personnel Attention Committee ah... is listed as meeting
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today. It is normally. on Wednesdays and will be tomorrow
at 2:00 P.M.''
W. Robert Blair: erurther announcements? Gentleman from
Wayne, Mr. Blàdes.e
Blades: >Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the Rouse,
ko a11 of the Members of the General Assomhlye the Agri-
cultural Group of the State of Illinois, through the
Department of Agriculture invite a11 of you to breakfast
in the morning, that is April 6he 5: at 7:45 A.M. ak the
St. Nick Hotelo''
W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Duff.''
Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, perhaps I missed somekhing in all of the
things we've done today. but ah... since the Committees
were all postponed one day, and since the 6 1/2 day rule
applies to Committee Meetings next week, and Bills which
are postponed in Committees tdday will only have 5 l/2 :days to be posted ah... if there has not been a mokion
made, which I might have missed, would it not be apprdpri-
ate to make a motlon that the 6 l/2 day rule be suspended
in order to allow posting of Bills, which will be postponed
in hurriedly in less than a week?''
W. Roberk Blairz lGentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, I think that this would just go to defeat
the purpose of our rules. And I feel that any Bill that
has to be posted again, I think we ought io know what Bills
instead of all Bills. So that couldn't the Committee
Chairman come in tomorrow with a list of the Bills, rather
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than just make a blanket statement, al1 Bills can be
posted one less day thfs week?R
W. Robert Blair: RGentleman from Cook, Mr. Duff.''Nj
Duff: f'Mr. Speakere ah... we#ll be not meeting for a weeke two
weeks from now, and ah...because of that, it seems to me
with the two unusual circumstances...... and I don't know
Ehat there's been any motion made as to whether the 45 day
rule will toll during the week werre gone, and so it seemsIt ':yto me in a11 fairness to many Sponsor,s who might have
been making their plans, that to have the side by side a
postponement of Committees to less than a week effectfng
the 6 1/2 day rule, then follow immediately thereafter by
a week off, could put a numher of Bills in jeopardy. Iunderstand the Minority Leader's point interms of particu-
1ar Bills, but ah... it would seem to me that considering
the general confusion that ah.... result, i.k might be fair
to everybody to allow that motion to have a 5 1/2 day post-
ing rule, and the suspending rule to do ito''
W. Robert Blair: ''We11, I think the gentlemen's point is that
all the Chairmen who are meeting khis afternoone the#l'llbètkeady to post their Bills tommorrow and if they will '
get their postings ready, and list on their postings the
Bills that they are going to set for next wee, then bring
those up in ah.... our meeting tomorrow on the floor and ;
move and ah... I would assume then that the notice rule
could be waved and those Bills could be heard next weeko''
Duff: ''Z understand that, Mr. Speaker, but there is also the
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situation that a individual Member ah... most Committee
Chairmen have not posted next weeks Bills ah... and con-
sequently somebady who might have wanted to come this
morning to ask for a Bill to be posted next week ah...?
who did not, recognizing the fact khat the Committee would
not meet tonight, ah... cauld khen be fn jeopardy on hisBills. Not only a postponed Bill, but a Bill that might
have been posted within the 6 l/2 day rule this morning
and was notx''
W. Pobert Blair: l'Wel1, ya, ... wait... the Committees are all,
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meeting that are set for a meeting today.''
Duff: ''Yes, but that is no* the point, Mr. Speaker. Ah....'' '
W. Robert Blair: ''Now wait a minute, the Committee Chairmen
ordinarily post their Bills ah... for the following week
following their Committee Hearing.''
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have your hearings in your Committees this afternoon, ah...
you will then get your postinq reading for tomorrow and
the Assistant Minority Leader is indicating that at that
time ah... they will support the ah... notice being 5 1/2
days or whaEever it is for the Committee to meet next
webk to hear those specific Bi1ls.''
Duff: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker, let me make this clear becauseoo...''
1.7. Robett Blair: ''No, 1'11 tell you what you do, I vlould you
. . . . o .suugest that what you want to do you move and see
if the votes are there to do it.''
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', .I Duff: Well, Mr. Speaker, under the circumstances I 11 not
make the motionvs.''
W. Robert Blair: ''A1l I'm suggesting is that the Minoriky Leade
fs indicatihg ,he would ahoy like to have the specific. f
Bills that are going ko be sek, included in the motion
in as so far as the nokice i/ concerned and not the blanket
it in. I don't think thak's an unusual request, I've tried
to make that clear and ah... now if you want to persist
with your motion as a general matter to suspend ah.... the
rule for 5 1/2 or 4 1/2 whatever it is for next weeke your
certainly èntitled to do thatwl
Duff: ''I'm too tired to swim up stream, Mr. Speaker.''
W. Robert Blair: ''I thought so. Gentlemen's ..... a11 right,
then if you will get your postings ready, Mr. Duff: and
anyoof the rest of the Chairmen will repork tomorrow whk'I.
welll certainly weight tée rule tomorrow. I'm sure
the MJ norl ty Leader 5'zi.lJ. be going along with us up bere , ..
he said he would. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Wifliam
Walsh.''
W. Walsh:'' ''Mr. Speaker, Chairman Neff of the Transportation
Committee suggested to me that 45 minutes after adjournmentfor the meeting of the 4:00 Committee Meetings would be
alot better than an hour and a half. I agree with him.
Th'e 4:00 Committees will meet in the rooms assigned to them
at 6:15 this evening.''
W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right: I mean does everybody understand
that? Well, now the Majority Leader is saying that thezgu 0xq ' . . . k G E N E R A j. A s S E M B L Yl V a 1(o .:u .% . svxve oe- luul-o's:. &! *%,z. . souss os asessssx-rl-r,vcs%': Xv - s%C..:.!,'f *
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2:00 Committees meet at what 45 minutes, Bi11? Well,
it a minute we're trying to ...... what? The proposalwa
is thak the 2:00 Commiktees meet when?''
W. Walsh: nlmmediatël#'after adjournment./
W. Robert Blair: DAII right, immediately after adjounment. And
h th 4 00 Comml'ttee's meet? 't at e :
W. Walsh: ''45 minutes after adjournment.*
W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, 45 minukes after adjournment, so
what we're saying is 'that khe 4:00 will meët at 6:15, in
essence and the 2:00 will meet at 5:30: which is right now .
All right, is there any question about that thenz Any
furEher announcementsz Gentleman from Henderson, Mr. Neff.'
Neff: ''Mr. Speaker, the Transportation Committee Meeting will
be moved to Ml inskead of M4, as it is right now.''
W. Robert Blair: ''All rightu.the Transportation Committee
will be meeting in Ml rather then M4 . A11 right , anything
. f urther? The Minori t:y Leader lrzAvez' that vYw i .fxjcat.rr. e vz-th
the concurrence of the Majority Leader, a11 those inN
fàvor say eaye', the opposed, 'no', the szàyes' have it and
we stand adjourned until ah... 9:30 tomorrow for Perfunctz
10:00 for Regular Session.'' .
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