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GEAC Meeting Minutes of December 17, 2009

Governor’s Energy Advisory Council MeetingOf December 17, 2009

PRESENT:ARABIN, STEVEN NRGBACHER, DAVID NRGBRYANT, JACQUELINE DNREC/DEOCHANDLER, PRISCILLA PJMCHERRY, PHIL DNRECHODAS, DAVID WIDENER SCHOOL OF LAWLAMPTON, CARA DNRECMAUCHER, ANDREA PSCMCRAE, ARNETTA PSCMOORE, GLENN DPLNELSON, BOB DELDOTO’MARA, COLLIN DNRECPATTERSON, GARY DPCSAMPLE, PAUL SAMPLE, INCSEBASTIAN, SUZANNE DNREC/DEOSHEEHY, MICHAEL DPASMISSON, CHARLIE DNREC/DEOTHOMPSON, STEVE CHESEAPEKE UTILITIESWINSLOW, DALLAS PSC

I.CALL TO ORDER AND WELCOME – CHAIR DAVID R. HODAS : The Governor’s Energy Advisory Council Meeting was brought to order at 9:40am by Chair David R. Hodas on December 17, 2009 in the Conference Room at The Department of Agriculture, 1221 College Park Drive, Dover, DE. Chairman David Hodas welcomed everyone, introductions were made, and handouts were available including copies of the March 26, 2009 GEAC Meeting Minutes.

II. REVIEW OF LAST MEETING ACCOMPLISHMENTS – CHAIR DAVID R. HODAS: The minutes of March 26, 2009 needed to be corrected. A copy will be sent to all council members for review prior to the next meeting via email for feedback.

III. REMARKS BY SECRETARY COLLIN O’MARA:First off let me introduce myself, I am Collin O’Mara. I have met most of you and have had the pleasure of working with you on different things. I am the new guy, the crazy idea that the Governor had to lead DNREC. DNREC is a wonderful place to work but obviously a challenging department in a lot of ways. One of the things that I am excited about is this Governor understands the issues that you all are working through every day and has Energy front and center in his view of how we are going to hopefully get off this economic malaise. I am excited that we have a meeting now, because I would like this group as a resource to really help drive State policy. One of the most helpful documents that I received when I came on board was the Energy Plan. The ideas contained and the amount of work that everyone put into that is incredible. The Energy Plan gave me a quick crash course for what the best thinking is in a lot of different areas and the subcommittee work was really great. Hopefully you saw a lot of the ideas that were put

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forth in the document bubble up to the top of legislative session last year, a lot of the things that the Governor has been talking about and the way we are trying to pursue it. One of the challenges that I would like to bring back to this group is how do we take the next steps with that plan and make sure we are taking the best thinking and prioritizing some of the things that are having the biggest economic impact and using it as a road map as much as we can for where we need to get at the State. The Energy conversation in the Country for a long time has been about reliability and cost and in Delaware it needs to be the same thing. We are facing some of the highest charges in the Country. Down south where there are some concerns about reliability in different parts but at the same time we need to move to the other part of the energy equation, looking at the environmental impact and potential cost and benefits as well as the public health cost and benefits. So how do we look at those four things together; cost, reliability, environmental impact and health outcomes? I would use that as a starting point as we are looking at different choices. One of the issues I would like to talk about with all of you is the cost challenges we are facing because of the payments to PJM. The combination of increased efficiency to reducing demand, we are looking at transmission capacity and new generation and what that new generation should be from and making sure it’s a healthy mix but also not making investment that are going to have a long term adverse impact. Having those tough conversations that I think you all have been having for a long time, but I am sure it has been raised to the level of the Governor as frequently has it should be. Then looking at the economic opportunities from different sources, there is incredible opportunities involved building infrastructure, whether its transmission or an actual base load facilities in different fossil fuels or renewables. Obviously the Governor is extremely interested in making sure we have an all of the above solution on the renewable side. There has been a false debate, in my eyes at least in the State between distributed solutions or utility scaled solutions, like off shore wind. We are going to need both and more, but at the same time as we are bringing things on line. How do we deal with some of the transmission issues, some of the liability concerns and being thoughtful has we are trying to bring new generation on line from renewable sources? And then at the end of the day for us it’s about job creation. Energy is accentual to the economy and finally people in DC are seeing that. Whether it is working with fossil fuels plants becoming cleaner and making sure we have a steady supply of power or moving into renewables. The job creation opportunities in this economic down turn are incredible. We need to not just be a consumer of technology but actually start manufacturing, all the better for the economy. You have seen this kind of thinking in the way the Governor went about trying to fill the GM plant after it went down. There are a bunch of ideas out there; Hummer was looking for another location at one point. We made a conscience play to look at different companies like Fisker and others that we think will have a long term market, because they are trying to be ahead of the curve where Federal policy is. Obviously it is an incredible opportunity if we can get Blue Water Wind off the ground and we are extremely excited about NRG’s leadership in stepping in. Between David, Ray and Drew really making that happen is really incredible. So we are very, very excited about that. But how do we not just become a consumer of technology like Bremerhaven in Germany, England or in Denmark and actually start making things here and not just become perpetual importer of technology. If you do that in that market, you have to create market demand. If have to have sufficient demand to warrant the capital investments to actually build the turbines here otherwise there is not enough demand to just ship from overseas. Which is fine, but now we are trading our dependants on one kind of imported good to another one. So how do we actually get the job benefits? We would like to thank the folks on my team; Phil Cherry has done an incredible job helping on the offshore wind conversations. We were just down with FERC the other day talking about beginning transmission planning and how does the MAPP line intersect with the need for a transmission backbone for perhaps offshore wind, how do we do this in a smart way. Creating jobs but also reducing our capacity challenges and also being sure in moving electrons efficiently and reliable resource. The SEU is off to a pretty good start. The rebate program, which was the first program that was

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launched, has been an incredible success, over 2,500 participants. Charlie and his team have done a great job making sure that’s moving. A lot of work left to do, a lot of opportunities still to see and a lot of money from the stimulus package that I would like to have some conversation with you all, about making sure we are using it wisely. Actually this is an incredible opportunity to do some innovative things. I think the challenge is how do we make sure we are moving money as quickly as possible in this economic down turn to get people to work and seize the opportunity for some efficiency and renewables. And also making sure we are on the same page, when we are putting forth application to the Feds for some of the competitive grants. We have not been as successful as maybe we should have been as a Region so far with some of the competitive pools. The incredible work that Delmarva is doing on the Advanced Meters is absolute cutting edge. And in some ways I think they are being penalized in the vetting process because it seems like it was going to happen anyway. So let’s fund a project in Alabama that probably is not going to happen using the stimulus money instead of funding great projects here. And we are in good company, my former Utility in California; PG&E is the same way. They were left out of the Smart Grid pot of money as well. There are great ideas that come from Chesapeake Utilities as well. They are looking at increasing our distribution capacity and moving towards cleaner fuels, which makes a lot a sense. So how do we do this in a more coordinated way as we are working with the Federal delegation? There is a lot of money left over and DOE how no idea how to get a lot of it out quickly. I think if we are all on the same page and we could actually make a pretty big impact. The exciting thing for me is that everyone in their own way around this table is doing a lot of innovative things right now, whether it’s the work that NRG is doing to put the controls on units three and four, while units one & two go to Blue Water. Some exciting ideas coming out of the Petroleum industries in different ways, obviously there are a lot of opportunities. But the question is how we use this forum to find a way that we all are on the same page to try to have a collective vision. I think the State Energy Plan is a good first step with a lot of good ideas. I am not confident that it took the next step of becoming a kind of natural road map for priorities. How do we sift through the 50 to 100 recommendations and say these are the five that we are going to try and get done this year? Last year we made a big energy efficiency play. For me that’s a no brainer, that’s the cheapest, quickest, fastest way to solve a lot of our challenges. Particularly if we decouple at the same time as we do incentives. If there are a handful of recommendations that come out of this group, then that becomes our legislative agenda because most of our stakeholders that would be involved in this debate in Legislative Hall are in this room. We can have the debates here instead of having all lobbyists duke it out over there. Hoping to come to a consensus and hope to add some additional sanity to some conversations. That’s a little bit on how I view the world. Obviously, my background is as much in Energy as it is in the Environment. So, I am very excited that this group has it together. I think the work and produce you guys have put together is actually top shelf. You have a lot of people in good places. The folks over at the Public Service Commission are fabulous and they are doing great work. I was just with Brue, Phil and some other folks to meet with FERC on some issues that I mentioned. I think there is strategic alignment as much as there can be and the more we can be on the same page and meet fairly frequently. Every other month, even every month or quarterly, whatever you guys decide. I am trying to have that constant checking so we don’t run in separate rooms. One opportunity for that kind of collaboration is Senate Bill 106 which is on the agenda today. What’s exciting about that is rather than have the legislature be overly prescriptive in the legislation, we say look, we are going to set some bold targets and then we are going to bring the experts to the table and come up with a consensus plan to get it done. The work groups from the Energy Plan last year are from the same model, so how do we bring folks together and have a conversation? Have the legislature play the policy direction setting and the bold vision part and let the experts (everyone around this room), figure out the details. I like that model and hopefully we can make that work. I’d like to thank Cara Lampton, who’s doing a great job coming from Dr. John Byrnes shop at UD in her master program, to now working for the DNREC and doing a great job. I’m

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trying to get that off the ground and have that kind of broad stakeholder process. So I think there is a lot of exciting things. It is exciting to have a Governor that knows what decoupling means and talk intelligently about transmission planning and knows what PJM is as an entity. There is a lot of opportunities for the ideas that we come up with collectively to be right at the forefront of the policy agenda and those that create jobs, all the better. I just wanted to thank David for giving me a couple of minutes and I will be happy to answer any questions. I am looking forward to participating fully in this and you will see me around a lot more than maybe some of my predecessors. Working with this group specifically, because I think the work that you all do and the groups that you represent are extremely important to the environmental future but also the economic future of the State, particularly the other challenges around here; sea level rise and the changing climate. Thank youDavid Hodas: I have to catch my breath. Laughter…No one can talk as fast a Collin, except this guy out in California I know. Do people want to open up a little conversation and talk with Collin about what we can add and how we can try to provide some concrete direction and assistance to the State and the Governor?Michael Sheehy: I’d like to ask a question that came out of the Energy Plan and I thought it was really my perspective and a most important one. A single place where the various parties can coordinate and this maybe the committee that does that, I don’t know. But there are three or four different areas that are all playing in the Energy field and in order to get this plan together, sometime it may be consensus, sometimes it may simply have to be jammed down somebody’s throat, (excuse the expression). Are you looking for this organization to be a lead or are you expecting some other level organization to take the lead?Collin O’Mara: We are working on that now. I know the recommendation was to create an office in the office of the Governor. Given the economics of our fiscal situation, that’s not going to happen, so bringing me in helped for that. So I think the goal is to have myself working with the Energy office to play that central role. I would like to take the direction to use myself at a Cabinet level for folks to be a point of contact. There is kind of two pieces underneath this; there is a programmatic side that the Energy office is doing very well with the SEU, obviously playing the programmatic function. Then there is the Oversight Board providing programmatic strategic guidance. On the other side you have the policy shop, which is fairly scattered; you have some folks in your shop, Phil Cherry and a couple of other folks doing their day to day and some of Charlie Smisson’s folks are serving multiple functions. I would like to formalize some of those relationships a little more. And this would be an oversight for that. So, then as ideas are coming through we can run them through this committee before we pass them out. I think we are going to be using the Governors Cabinet Committee on Energy a little more frequently then we have in the past. That would be the structure; the programmatic side, that’s the Energy office working with the SEU and the Oversight committee Then have a policy side that needs to be built and coordinated amongst our shop and your shop, having this body serve as an oversight for that and we come forward with recommendations together to the Governor. And hopefully, it’s functionally gets that top concern that came out of the report.Michael Sheehy: Any thoughts to having legislative involvement in this program?Collin O’Mara: At which level?Michael Sheehy: Our level.Collin O’Mara: That’s a good question. I think it’s worth having that conversation. At least having the Chairs of the two respective committees be exofficio, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think one of the challenges is that the SEU process ran in parallel with the Energy Plan. I guess there was one presentation when they came in and talked, there isn’t that kind of strategic link. They should be completely corporate and they should make a lot of sense. The policies that are coming out of this group should be driving some of their thinking. So if we are looking at investment strategies as such, I think we should look at that. I don’t think we would need legislation for that, would we? The Governor can appoint?

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Michael Sheehy: My interest is to get someone in legislation here periodically. David Hodas: They have been invited regularly. Michael Sheehy: Even if they can get a periodic report. People like Sean Finnigan, Sen. McDowell and Rep. John Kowalko. They’re critical in terms of influencing the leaders in the legislature. It may be easier for them to understand what we are doing, instead of getting a fifteen or twenty minute overview but to actually be a part of this process and get their questions answered. For instance in Revenue Decoupling, there is still a lot of confusion on what that means and what’s going to happen. I am not necessarily recommending that they be here, but maybe have a smaller group that meets with them. It’s just easier to get some of the players on board earlier rather than later to try and fight through it once we have already decided. Collin O’Mara: That’s actually a great example. Maybe in our next meeting we try to have that conversation. The one challenge, and you and I can talk off line about it, since the dockets open how much conversation can we have with your staff? I don’t know where those lines are in Delaware. If we can be more collaborative that would be great. Michael Sheehy: I understand the docket is over, but I would think the wishes of the Governor would certainly be something that any regulatory agency would be interested in hearing before it stuck its foot in its mouth. You would like to see that happen, I would check with an attorney first to see. I would like to think that certain conversations on the guidance and policy direction of the State have to be clear and be understandable by the Commission. I think Dallas could talk about that if he wanted to.Dallas Winslow: Thanks Mike. I think it is problematic, because if we have a docket open that is quoi judiciary you are not suppose to be discussing the issues involved in it. I think in general if they participate and give general guidance in respect to there thinking. One thing I will say that I noticed in the past 5 years, and I give credit it Collin for this. The communication is obviously much better now. It used to be, you didn’t see various parties talking to each other much, now this past year there is a lot more communications to take the first steps toward success. Phil Cherry has done a wonderful job. It’s great to have a committee of people making decisions on the Blue Water issue, because it gave us a chance to get to know each other. When you realize that we all have talent and we use all of the talent, not just some of our talents. So I think we are going in full throttle in that direction. David Hodas: Governance was obviously the number one recommendations. It seems to me that, the Governor has taken the general recommendation, the crust of it and designated Collin as the one who going to be the coordinator. He is basically saying, he would like to take this group to have a real function in keeping a finger on what’s going on. Debating important issues and then providing real input to Collin. That’s important to me, because I said in the past. I don’t want to have meetings that are wasting anybody’s time. I didn’t want to have unnecessary work on the Energy Plan, since we are all voluntaries. What Collin is basically saying is that, he wants us to meet and discuss important issues seriously. We can try to come up with an agenda of topics that the Governor is interest in. I have no problem in meeting monthly, we used to meet monthly. I think monthly is has an advantage, even if it takes all of our time. But you can build some momentum and coherence. If you meet quarterly, you don’t get to work together. You don’t get to build any continuity. If that’s the signal from the Governor and your office, I have no problem in calling meetings and telling people it’s valuable to come. We were waiting to get that signal from the Governor’s office, because if the Governor’s office is not interested then why should we have a lot of meetings. We all have things that we can spend time on, so that’s an important signal in response to the number one recommendation in the Energy Plan. It does mean among other things, that this is a statutorily created body with specific members on it and I don’t think it’s broad enough in its membership. So we have to pull in other people. There is no body from the commercial sector; like DuPont, the Banks or their customers. There are other sectors that are an important constituency that we need to have involved. I think it would be useful to ask them

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to come while we figure out away to mend the statute because it can’t be done until next year anyway and also to get thoughts from you on how we should constitute this committee. Dallas Winslow: I think we have done very well in developing two Energy Plans. Last year there were probably 95% of our time was developing the Energy Plan. But when it came to the major action, when it comes to the implementation side, the group really wasn’t that involved in any of the energy policy. A good example was probably last year when one of the major things in Delaware was RGGI. Our Council was not involved in the Delaware RGGI process at all. And that’s the kind of thing we should have had the discussion here. We probably should have had a representative from this Council in that role. David Hodas: I think the prior Governor had very little interest in this body. I am trying to say it as simply as possible. I have never met the Governor or the Governor’s staff once Andrea Kreiner left. We should not be just looking over policy but looking over how things are being implemented. Policy doesn’t mean anything if it’s not being implemented. We can provide a neutral evaluation from our prospective on how things are working. Collin O’Mara: The other piece too, I would like to make this a little more task or problem solving focus. Example; high prices in Sussex County is an issue you guys have been dealing with forever. Let’s have a conversation about it. I know there have been studies done. But actually, not just come up with another plan to plan kind of document, but actually say these are things that are general consensus and these are things that are not. These are our options and raise the level of it, instead of having things go on and on.David Hodas: We welcome that because there was a challenge to us every month try to figure out what should be on the agenda. There was a lot of education going on, but everybody is up to speed. We would like to do concrete things and help out. Michael Sheehy: I think absolutely. I would like to point out the larger the group gets and the more drive towards consensus the lowest common denominator shows up. The Energy Plan was wonderful but like 95% of them where priority one items. At some point you have to say that’s as good as not having a priority. What we decide on focusing and whatever the guidance we get in terms of the items that we are going to deal with, we need to focus on that and maybe consensus it not the way. Collin said it, maybe there are consensus items and maybe there is none consensus items. You get to make your play and see what happens, but large committees like this have a tendency to settle down to the lowest common denominator to get everyone to except into a recommendation. I think that is dangerous, because I think trying to get everyone to agree is going to be an issue.David Hodas: I agree. For the Energy Plan, in my view it was essential to have consensus. But now when you get to the details and implementation, for us I don’t think it’s easy for us as a consensus to come up with priorities beyond what beyond what we did in the Energy Plan. We tried to prioritize them, but there are a lot of important problem and issues. To some extent we will be looking for signal from your office. You have read it; you have a sense of what the priorities are that the Governor wants to put energy into. It’s hard for us to do any more prioritization then we have done. Because everybody has a different view point and we couldn’t get any consensus beyond everyone saying everything is important. And that’s part of the whole governance idea. We are prepared for the Governor to provide that leadership to us and we will provide you with the support. There is a lot of talent, wisdom and silliness. We will try our best. So probably what we should think about is the meeting in January, where you come in with five topics that we can put out there. Michael Sheehy: Or come in with ten and let us talk about it. David Hodas: We can only do so much. Maybe five is more than we can do.Michael Sheehy: Well, we have the person here to provide the guidance. Collin, it’s usually not a smart idea to give the boss work: but would you be able to provide this group with the three highest priorities you’d like us to work on?

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Collin O’Mara: I can do that, Now, one of the things to all pieces of legislation verses a three year program or a ten year capital plan; there is everything and more in the plan. We can fix the priorities.David Hodas: I think it would be good if we could encourage some key legislators to sit in on the meetings regularly as opposed to just coming and giving a presentation. Did you want to bring us up to date with legislation?

IV. LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPISHMENTS - SECRETARY COLLIN O’MARACollin O’Mara: I can do that; Phil Cherry can fill in the gaps. Last year was exciting; obviously the budget dominated most of the conversation. David Hodas: That was exciting.Collin O’Mara: You haven’t seen anything yet! There was several substantial pieces of Energy legislation that when through last year. Basically to hopefully try to set the stage for building a lot of the recommendations that the Energy Plan put forth and hopefully setting the stage for more Energy Efficient operation in the State going forward. The first one, Charlie Smisson put in a lot of effort to update our building codes to the 2009 standards. We are among the first States in the Country to do so. It’s a precondition to receive some of the stimulus money. You can do it anytime, but by doing it early it puts us in a position to get our folks trained earlier. We will have the 2009 codes in place in the middle of next year. Senate Bill 106 was another one that was on the agenda as its own items. That is the Energy Efficiency Resources Standard (EERS). It basically says that Energy Efficiency is a priority of the State and we do view it as a resource that can meet supply needs or it can serve as a source of supply in a way by meeting future demand. If we are smart about the way to implement Energy Efficiency measures from everything from generation transmission, demand response and user. There is an incredible opportunity to save money and it is probably cheaper most times, than bringing in new supply. Obviously, a lot of you were involved in the working group and we will talk about that a little more specifically. There is a Net-metering clean up that we need to take another look at, to allow people to not just give excess electrons to the grid but actually get credit or payment for that if they are generating more than they need during any time period. Some basic legislation on Renewable Energy rights around preventing future Deed Restrictions on renewable energy. Treating Solar and Wind more like a utility like you would Dish TV verses Cable as a choice, like a type of window or a clothes line. Basically giving individuals the ability to have access to renewable power if they so desire. David Hodas: You shouldn’t put clothes lines in as ecstatic.Collin O’Mara: Not anymore, I agree with that. We should have that conversation. Phil, have I forgotten anything?Phil Cherry: V2G on the Net-Metering side.Collin O’Mara: All in all good stuff for the most part. I think we are in consensus for all of it. I do appreciate all of the work, especially on SB106, because it was complicated and it came late. Great work from Delmarva, Chesapeake, DEC and the Municipals and the others, hopefully we will get to a good place with the workgroup and we will talk about that in a second. This year there is an opportunity, because everyone is going to be looking for good ideas to put people to work to hopefully make the economy more robust that doesn’t have anything to do with the budget. The ideas that comes out of this group I do think there will be a will to move some things. The Governor is going to talk about Energy again in his State to State address, being an important driver of our future economic prosperity. I think we set a good foundation. Obviously, the Energy Efficiency part is very near and dear to my heart. I think, as sexy as the conversation is around renewables, doing the hard work behind the scenes first on efficiency so we are not spending tens of thousands of dollars on renewable systems when we are wasting green electrons because we haven’t done the installation of the windows and the heating and cooling systems first. It doesn’t make sense and it’s just not good business and it’s not good basic economics. So hopefully we put that in place. And we keyed up some conversations with the Public Service

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Commission on decoupling, dynamic pricing and the innovative policy frontiers their moving into. All in all a pretty successful year, we are changing the conversation and hopefully getting people a little more comfortable with energy language and the ins and outs of energy policy. David Hodas: Any questions so far? I was hoping to find out what’s going on with the SEU.

V. SUSTAINABLE ENERGY UTILITIES (SEU) – CHARLIE SMISSON:Charlie Smisson: Is that my cue!David Hodas: That’s your cue. Charlie Smisson: A lot has happened since this group last met. The SEU now has two operating programs, first of which kicked off on September 1st, an appliance rebate program. They hired the firm of Ohana out of Wilmington to be the Implementation Contractor for the rebates themselves. And they hired a firm called APT to do the implementation part, to do the actual marketing in stores. If you go into any of the retail stores lately you will see the presences of what APT has done in there. They have been to almost every retail store outlet in the State and that program is kicking along extremely well. Collin mentioned earlier, that we have over 2,500 rebates approved at the end of November processed. We expect that it will increase dramatically in December all projections show before Christmas the rebates will actually pickup. David Hodas: Is the SEU going to be getting money back on savings as far as revenue? That was the whole business plan that I remember. Charlie Smisson: No. That is one of the areas being talked about in the SEU now. The board will be taking that up on how to bring revenue back into the SEU through some of the programs.David Hodas: That seems like it’s no different than what the Energy Office did with their rebate program.Charlie Smisson: Pretty hard when it’s identified as a rebate program to get revenue through that. Arnetta McRae: I understand we are also doing these audits for schools. I think Brandywine is involved, were you are actually looking at energy savings and funding the work, then getting a payback out of that? Charlie Smisson: That will be in other programs that the SEU is planning right now. Arnetta McRae: I thought it was already in place in Brandywine School District. What was good about that, they have multiple buildings. So you are going to have a huge impact if the school population is spread abroad. Collin O’Mara: The goal was to basically identify a pool of facilities across State government, Schools, Hospitals and Municipalities. Then fix it to an ESCO model. The difference here is having the SEU potentially bond for the capital to do the improvements to reduce the cost of money. Not only reduce the cost of money, but also not have the ESCO take a profit margin on that piece so there is more of an implementation contract. So they are putting together that pool right now, but that’s the goal and they get part of the saving and part to repay the balance. Charlie Smisson: That’s where the shared saving concept comes in, to bring revenue back into the SEU. As we gain the ability to issue these bonds and provide the funding for these types of programs; the institutional types of programs that they are working on now I hope will rapidly develop. That will be one of the funding sources for the SEU amongst others. They are considering the value of the Renewable Energy Credits. Collin that maybe some additional legislation that we will be looking at this year, how to make those credits more valuable.David Hodas: So the only program right now is the rebates?Charlie Smisson: No. There is a second phase to the rebate program that just started on December 1st using ARRA funds. We received $838,000 worth of ARRA funds under a separate grant for an appliance rebate. The SEU has initially decided to use those dollars to rebate things like Dishwashers, which just had their standards raised. They were none in the first series of appliances and now also natural gas Water Heaters. I was notified yesterday that we just got our

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first rebate for a couple of those projects. We are looking for a way to further incorporate ARRA dollars into perhaps using it for all of the rebates to try and get those dollars out and on the road as quickly as possible. It would be better to utilize the dollars very quickly and then look at other ways to incorporate the appliance program into a residential program using other funded sources. The second program which had a soft launched on December 1 st, was the Commercial Industrial Lighting program. Basically it’s a prescriptive lighting program for any commercial industrial. That could be a School or a Hospital it does not exclude nonprofits to upgrade their lighting systems. This is being funded with ARRA dollars; we anticipate that we have incorporated $500,000 of ARRA funding in to the first slug of dollars that went into this program. AEG hired the firm of SAIC. Many of you may be familiar with that firm, their located outside of Washington, DC and are very well known for their Energy Efficiency expertise. From what I see in their planning, they have some very good ideas to make that program work. Eventually the lighting program will be expanded into other areas that include HVAC, Motors and Pumps. Hopefully that will develop over the next year. The SEU intends to explore the mechanism of trying to get revenue out of this program in the future, rather than have a prescriptive rebate or a grant come out. The SEU doesn’t get anything back by spending those ARRA dollars. A residential program should be the next very big thing that comes out from the SEU. An RFP was issued in November to hire an Implementation Contractor and they should have their responses in sometime close to the end of this month to make a decision on the Implementation Contractor and try to get going from there. I am hoping the SEU will be able to offer the first of several residential programs that are going to be incorporated into the overall picture early next year. Perhaps as early as the February time period, but there has to be some additional planning on funding resources initially. The ARRA dollars that receive through the State Energy program grant are anticipated to be used for this program. This program could include concepts like Home Performance with Energy Star and could go into different directions, but we see real opportunity here. As a matter of a footnote, I was notified two days ago that there are additional dollars potentially from the Federal Government. There is what is called a Retrofit and Recovery dollars that total $20 billion nationwide for Energy Efficiency in homes. DOE is trying to figure out the best way to send those dollars out. One of the things that were proposed is to give them all to firms like Lowes and Home Depot to let them administer a program. I don’t think that is going over very well. Another mechanism is our national organization (NASEO) is working very hard to send those dollars to the State Energy Offices for residential programs. That could be significant more dollars towards the residential program than what we already have. $20 Billion is a fairly big slice of pie to divide up amongst the States. David Hodas: What is the role between the State Energy Office which has all of its traditional programs and the SEU which seems like it is taking on traditional Energy Office programs? Charlie Smisson: The SEU is taking on what are normally traditional Energy Office programs. We have rolled up our Pilot Home Performance with ENERGY STAR Program; we didn’t have the funding to be able to continue that program. The SEU will take more and more of that on with the Energy Office acting as the day to day oversight or management of the SEU. I’m spending probably 75% of my time managing the SEU and it’s become quite a job. David Hodas: When you say managing, you are pretty involved in the day to day managing of it? Charlie Smisson: I am involved in a weekly conference call where I am brought up to date on what is happening with the SEU. I attended a meeting at the SEU yesterday on Marketing. They intend to get more into Marketing as the next year progresses, to make it more visible within the State. There are some very good ideas and we are looking at some funding sources to do that. But the SEU is taking up a whole lot of my time and it will be taking up a whole lot of my staff’s time. Arnetta McRae: Does the SEU have a staff? Ralph Nigro is involved with that isn’t he?

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Charlie Smisson: The SEU has a staff, but our job is to provide the funding for the SEU to be able to operate its programs. In order to do that we need to know how the program operate and to advise them on their selection of Implementation Contractors and what those Implementation Contractors are looking at for cost. They are trying to get the most cost effective things they can out of those programs. We have been concentrating very heavily on that, particularly the initial programs. We want to make sure the dollars we have now go as long and a far as they can go and eventually come back into the SEU. David Hodas: That’s interesting, I just had the impression that when we got all of the various presentations that the SEU was going to run on its own and you were just going to be the oversight way in the background, I guess it has changed. Charlie Smisson: That is the intent and that is the way I think the SEU will end up, but it’s reached a critical mass now where we need to watch it extremely close and make sure that the direction is the direction that it was intended to do. The board has become more active, Collin has been extremely active member of the board here recently. The Board is going to get more involved and as the Board gets more involved perhaps some of what we have been doing in the past can transition over to the Board as they take more activities on, particularly in the programmatic area. Phil Cherry: Another thought rather than a questions. I think ARRA changed the landscape of things with all of that money coming in. It wasn’t foreseen even a year ago, so all of the sudden there is all of this money going towards the kind of things that everybody, including the SEU would be doing with it. Charlie is running around trying to make sure that literally millions of millions of dollars gets spent, not only the way the Feds want it to be spent but the SEU. Then there is all of the reporting and the monitoring of those dollars, so that is consuming a lot of time.Charlie Smisson: The transparency of those dollars is required to be submitting to Federal OMB through the State and a report by the 10th of each month after the quarter ends. So our next reporting section to the Federal OMB will be from January 1st through January 10th for the quarter that just ended. Initially we were required to submit reports to US DOE thirty days after the end of a quarter and the requirements of those reports are quite extensive as you can imagine. So the tracking of those ARRA dollars is part of what we are trying to do. I think we are doing a fairly good job on it right now. The State has come up with a very good plan, a good mechanism to make that easier for us. Our own OMB in the State has been very helpful and that’s going along very well. We need to make sure the ARRA dollars are accounted for and they are doing what they were intended to do. David Hodas: Is the SEU still getting some RGGI proceeds?Charlie Smisson: The SEU is still getting RGGI proceeds. I don’t think the proceeds are coming in quite as high as expected. Phil you can address that, we just had an auction. I think the SEU got about $1 million out of the last auction. The RGGI account is building; we do have approximately $5 million sitting in the RGGI account now. We used a couple million dollars already for the operation of the SEU. We are going to be talking about how best to use that money in the future.Michael Sheehy: The reports you are filing to the Feds, is that going to be on the SEU website?Charlie Smisson: It’s not on the SEU website; it’s on the State website.Susanne Sebastian: And it’s on the Federal OMB website, they are all posted after they are reviewed by the Federal agency. Charlie Smisson: Just a couple of other programs that are working right now, but not operational. Our Revolving Loan program is being set up. That Revolving Loan program may involve renewable and it may involve Energy Efficiency. AEG is using one of their partners Catalyst to develop the mechanism on how the Revolving Loan program is going to be operated. I think that the use of dollars through a Revolving Loan program will be available very early next year. The appliance recycling program has been proposed, I am not sure the SEU has the funding available to do such a program now, but they are looking at a recycling program for appliances. David Hodas: What do you mean by a Recycling program?

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Charlie Smisson: If you have a refrigerator that you want to get it pick up the Appliance Recycling program would pay to do that. It would go through a formal process to be decommissioned rather than go into the Secondary market. This would provide a mechanism where that appliance would be decommissioned and not used again. There is a program that I believe is in the process of being developed right now, called the Sustainable Communities Program. This is a concept where the SEU would be involved with a Community such as the City of Wilmington. As a matter of fact the SEU has applied for a grant through the competitive portion of the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Program (EECBG) to secure an additional $15 million for the City of Wilmington to revitalize the Center city portion around Market Street. This $15 million, if it is secured from DOE would go into Energy Efficiency improvements in the buildings that are located in that area. This goes along with a bigger plan that the City has to revitalize that area and make it more attractive to bring in more businesses. The overall Sustainable Communities Program would develop this concept more and try to find additional localities in this State, such as Dover or any other community this is interested in this type of help. We mentioned the Institutional Buildings Program and this would be one of the primary mechanisms to bring revenue back into the SEU. It’s envisioned now that the use of the buys, whether they are secured from Citigroup or some other place, would provide the primary funding mechanism for this program. I think the SEU Board is considering the potential of up to $40 million of bonds for the first issue. We have had meetings with various State officials to try and identify some potential State facilities that may include not only buildings around Legislative Hall but other building in the City of Wilmington. Schools, School Districts and local jurisdictions could be brought in on this to work; some of the public buildings within City’s and Town’s throughout Delaware can potentially participate. This is going to be a very important program to get going, because the SEU does need to look at bringing revenue back in and this is one of the ways to do it.David Hodas: So they’re looking at mostly public facilities?Charlie Smisson: This could include schools and hospitals.David Hodas: Does that include Private Schools?Charlie Smisson: Yes it could. I have had contact with a couple of private schools; Holy Cross expressed an interest in participating in any type of program. The potential of this program is good. The SEU can get it rolling I think at the earliest next spring. It should take off and be a good self-sustaining program once it’s started. Collin O’Mara: One conversation I would like to bring into this room a little bit is the service delivery mechanisms. I have been on the Board and really pushed to have it be a Consumer user friendly system as much as possible, where it is not people choosing from a buffet. But there is a pathway to start with your conservations efficiency measures before you do your renewables, so there is kind of this transition that you help people go through. The question is how you do that? The model is a standalone delivery mechanism, I am less confident that is the best way to go. So I think it is a conversation worth having. How do we get more people involved when you guys are interacting with your customers all the time? There is conversations given the scale of the money, given the volume hopefully will be able to effect. Using all of our individual abilities to try to get products and programs to consumers the best way we can. It’s a conversation worth having and I think a lot of you in the room are the ones we need to have that with, this could be a good forum to talk about that. Arnetta McRae: Where are you with Marketing?Charlie Smisson: I attended a marketing meeting yesterday with Catalyst, AEG marketing partner. They have proposed a very aggressive marketing effort to start early next year. The plan that they put together is very good, if implemented it has the potential to make the SEU highly visible. It involves potentially even a character called “Energy Bolt”. What we are looking at now is how to fund it. Initially, Marketing is very expensive and what they proposed may have to be tweaked down a little bit. People have to know there is a Delaware Sustainable Energy Utility,

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that there is an Energize Delaware and that they can go to it to take advantage. The brand name for the SEU is Energize Delaware and that was created by the folks at the SEU using their resources from Catalyst. If you go to the SEU website: www.energizedelaware.org you will see Energize Delaware all over. That’s going to be the marketing mechanism, they have their own logo. The will be the signature of Delaware’s program, much like Maryland has “Empower Maryland”. We have Energize Delaware, the marketing plan that I saw yesterday with Catalyst really amplifies that. It has some very good ideas with a three prong plan. But again, marketing is very expensive. From what I saw yesterday, marketing will be trimmed down a little bit, because the funding is available right now for them to do what they want to do. You are correct the SEU needs to be marketed; each program needs more than just to have a website to refer people. People have to here it through Radio and other media. SEU is looking into using the weekly newspaper right now as a mechanism, because they are widely read in Delaware. They are looking to do some radio advertising and some cable advertising. Even looking at using the DART bus as a way to advertise, they go all throughout the State’s highways. They are trying any way they can to get the word out.David Hodas: I just saw a study done which came out last spring from Carnegie Mellon which looked at some of the SEU type programs out there. It basically said they are all very nice but they don’t hold a candle to decoupling or anything else to really getting things done. Because they don’t involve a lot of other people, there just this little stand alone thing, they do good work, they are out there running really hard but they don’t have the scale to really get things done. You need better policy.Collin O’Mara: That’s why it comes back to this group. How do up leverage what this is doing with the combination of the decoupling docket and then eventually Dynamic pricing. The meter work that Delmarva’s doing, Beat the Peak stuff at DEC and everything else. How do you represent it in one coherent whole? Looking at demand heavy response and the Consumers but have it be a continuum across. I think we can have some of that conversation here; we will have to work through some of the mechanisms on how things are set up so we are on the same page once again or for the first time.Glenn Moore: Can I talk about Delmarva and the RPS in regards to Solar. I think it has been reported a little bit, but I want to give people a bit of background. We are in the final negotiations for a 10MW solar farm in Dover. We deal a lot with the SEU, we talk almost weekly with them to try and coordinate their doing and what we are doing. The way that deal will work is Delmarva would buy a significant amount of the RECS out of that Dover Solar farm. In addition to that the SEU would buy a decent amount of RECS out of that solar farm for the first five or six years. Then we would have an agreement with the SEU to purchase those RECS back for us later on. If you know anything about the RPS requirements particularly on the solar side is a little bit of a hockey stick. You don’t need a whole lot early on and then once you get to 2016 the number goes up drastically to make sure you have a viable solar market. We could do the Dover Solar plan and leave the market for four or five years saying we are all good and come back, but that obviously not the way to do this. The way that would work is they’ll purchase it. They have legislative authority to freeze RECS so they don’t have to worry about the Banking rule, because we have a separate banking rule. I think what you will see, not only that agreement take place, but I think you will see a significant amount of discussion of the SEU particularly in the aggregator for solar RECS with maybe a backup agreement with Delmarva Power about them having a 6 or 7 year contract that their making sure you get a viable Solar market, making sure they have that end of the 20, 18 or 19 period time and then we would just buy them back. It’s really a pretty cool agreement again with them being able to freeze the RECS, it allows us to grow. We will finish negotiations and it up to the commissioner to consider those agreements.David Hodas: That’s very good news the solar RECS were going to be an important piece of the whole SEU financing stream. Without it, it wasn’t going to be really essential as Dr. John Byrne showed us.

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Charlie Smisson: You have to have a market for those RECS though and right now Delaware (ACP) when you come paired to markets like Maryland has 400 plus per MW hour and New Jersey has 700 per MW hour.Michael Sheehy: Those are good, but they have to be in the State generated and that has a tendency to double the value. David Hodas: But those are also driven by the penalty figure. I talked to people in New Jersey and they would like to do things in Delaware but the RECS are too cheap to justify it. Charlie Smisson: One of the things that the SEU is looking at now is how to do renewables and the revolving loan fund may play a big part of that. Collin, did you want to talk about the Green Energy Fund.Collin O’Mara: The Green Energy fund is a challenge and it was fairly cutting edge when it was created. A lot of other States poured their assistant benefits charge or public goods charge into efficiency. Public works kind of skip over that and jumped right to renewables. That was fine when you had 50% tax credit and a $2,000 residential cap on the ITC. As soon as the Feds made it a full 30% all of the sudden we had an 80% incentive in Delaware and a flood on the Energy Office trying to take advantage of that unintentional policy storm. So the backlog was so great, that there is multiply years of build up right now. One of the things that I am adding to my list of things to bring to this group is to suggest meeting frequently. How do we move towards a different incentive model? Does it make sense to look at REC values to make up for not needing as much on the Green Energy Fund? We can us the Green Energy Fund for something else or even rate relief. Looking at other mechanisms to get to the same outcome and hopefully not have an impact on the consumer. That is a good conversation to have. And also, I don’t want to scare Glen, but do we look at moving out in a linear fashion some of the RPS requirements so we can have a bankable contract at a 15 year time horizon. Right now the world stops in 2019, can you finance things? It’s a conversation worth having at least. If there are two goals and one is to have more local generation and renewables and the second goals is maximize the economic impact, how you set that up is a little different than it probably is right now. So this is a good group to have that conversation to see if we can come to some kind of agreement and do it strategically with all of us on the same board and the same way, instead of a bill that just shows up one day. Glenn Moore: It certainly makes sense. That contract is probably going to be a 20 year contract. Collin O’Mara: This group could have that conversation; these are the different models. This is a very different role than I think you have ever played.David Hodas: The good news is Congress is not passing the Climate Change Bill, RGGI is still in place and it is not being preempted as it would be with the house bill.Michael Sheehy: Charlie, you brought up a good point about the market and that Delmarva is creating market for Solar RECS. Are you running into any difficultly in dealing with Government facilities in terms of some of the programs; energy efficiency? It seems to me there’s a market by itself that ought to give enough economic support that you could use it as a testing ground. It’s a pretty good size market piece, with all of the buildings. I would hope it wouldn’t take as much involvement to get that done and Collin you would have to play that a role in that obviously. To me you are sitting out there with all of these building and vehicles and everything. You have this money and we are waiting for these things to take off, why wouldn’t we go ahead and make it happen with the State. Collin O’Mara: We are working on an Executive Order right now to move in that direction. There is a bunch of different financing mechanisms that the SEU already mentioned. We also have the Energy Efficiency Block Grants which could be a good use. One of the interesting opportunities is the large Municipals have their own, but the State got about $9 million through the block grant for efficiency, about $3.6 million goes to the State. That’s a great first investment to get efficiency on the ground and do some things for the State. But we also have about $6 million that we have to give to the small local Governments with less than 40,000 people. The challenge is if you do per capita allocation based on what the bigger guys got, you still have a

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couple a million dollars left over. So one of the ideas I would love to get feedback on is using a portion of that money to do audits for all of the local Governments. All the small guys, so they have that road map. These are the investments you should be making and creating that market demand helping people get to work, driving down prices by creating that economy scale then move into the private sector because you have already proof tested it in the public sector. I do agree we should talk about that. The biggest challenge right now facing us is there are a million good ideas and there is a lot of money. I would rather focus on three or four things and get them right and get them running then focus on 50 ideas, we can just prioritize them. The State’s the biggest employer and the biggest procurer of energy.

VI. ENERGY EFFECIENCY RESOURCE STANDARD (EERS)- PHIL CHERRY AND CARA LAMPTONPhil Cherry: The Secretary noted we sheperded this new program into existence and then to implementation. SB106 the Energy Efficiency Resource Standard, not only sets up some rather ambition goals, but put into place a workgroup process. I know some of us here are members of that workgroup. Some of us are interested observers and we have had three meetings. Cara will walk through the handout but will not get into a lot of details because that is what the workgroup does. Cara Lampton: See attached two page handouts.The Councils: Comments on EERS.Charlie Smisson: There are some conflicting things in the legislation which identify the date when the regulation supposed to be in place and when the report is supposed to be in place. Phil Cherry: The date for the regulation predates the one for the report.Michael Sheehy: Vermont has theirs in place for almost ten now. How are they doing?Cara Lampton: Their goal is 2% back on a three year cycle.Michael Sheehy: So theirs is working for them. I am not on the committee but we have representatives on the committee and you have had three meetings and you have decided nothing. I think it’s time. It’s a comment. If you’re going to get a target, get the target whether it’s per capita or whatever. Here we are again with rolling down the path of meeting upon meeting upon meeting and not a result. I am not putting it as a critique to you Cara at all. It seems to me that someone ought to be able to stand up and say “OK. We will use 2007 as a baseline, it’s going to be ex percentage off of what that was or per capita”, and move on. Because the delta between that and some others in ten years is insignificant, you got to get started somewhere and come up with some kind of figure. I understand that Delmarva will want to have input and various other parties, but at some point don’t you just have to say “Here it is let get onto the next point”. David Hodas: I guess I am a little out of this, what exactly are the disputes and issues that have to be resolved?Steve Thompson: I would say the initial is; what does the target say, what does it mean? There are several interpretations of what the target says. David Hodas: We were not involved in drafting that.Dallas Winslow: I have a couple of questions, also. Who is accountable if this happens or doesn’t happen? If you take a baseline, like you said for example 2007. That’s probably a very high consumption year, if you pick 2009 that’s probably a very low consumption year. Michael Sheehy: No matter what year you inject there is probably going to be another year that would have made a difference.Glenn Moore: As somebody who has attended all three, you’re right and wrong. I think you are right in the sense that we have not done much, but there is a decent amount of frame work that needs to be done. It is a very complicated subject. To your answer, I think most of the decisions are straight forward and you just have to make them. But on the surface it says” Ok 2007 do it”. There are all sorts of complications like I have third party suppliers; do I have a reduction for the third party suppliers or not a reduction? If they are going to do their own demand response, it gets

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very complicated. I think at the end of the day fairly quickly we will come up with what is the right number, what is the goal and then start to get to work on how you get there. Michael Sheehy: That’s fine; maybe I should start attending some of the meetings. Legislation says Delmarva Power and Light sales, so it’s not third party suppliers, it’s you. You bring up complications but you have to get somewhere.Stephen Thompson: It is an interim process too because part of what the workgroup has to look at is impact on the rate payers and where you define that target to be. It has to be a significant tie into the SEU, who will design and implement programs to help meet the target.Glenn Moore: We will get there. This is more of a personal note not a committee note; it is a long term process. In other words you’re talking about the goal coming in is somewhere around the May time frame the committee will put the recommendation down. When you start thinking about that, Delmarva Power may or may not file for Dynamic Pricing by May, certainly will not have the output of Dynamic Pricing. So it’s going to be very difficult on the demand side for Delmarva to say,” My target in 2013 is this and this is how we are going to meet it”. This committee needs to live for the next three or four years, because the SEU is not ready to say right now exactly where they are going to be in 2014 and what programs there are going to have and what’s it going to look like and all of those types of things. So I think we will get to what the targets are and get to setting targets by year. I think it’s a process to start to say how we are going to get there. Some people are talking about what kind of money do you need? Well you haven’t had the programs out there yet in terms of start charging my customers more money. So it is a long process and I think you’ll get to a recommendation by May timeframe.Michael Sheehy: I think you have to. I don’t know whether this is the opportunity to talk about these things, but if you want to keep going on. Yes it’s hard on Delmarva, Sorry. That’s your job. It’s hard on the SEU, sorry. It’s hard on the Governor, it’s hard on everybody. This is a very, very difficult and complicated process where a lot of things are changing all at once. At some point somebody has to put a stake in the sand. You could be wrong and in three years come back and tell us you were wrong.Glenn Moore: I don’t think it’s a matter of being right or wrong. We can certainly put a target out there each year, but until you start to see what Dynamic Pricing looks like and what kind of load programs you can run. I can put a target out there right now, my comment is we want to meet this target and we need to adjust to see how to meet them whether it is hard or easy is not a big deal. It’s the fact that you want to put a target out there and manage to that target and understand how you have to.Michael Sheehy: So you don’t ever want to fail?Glenn Moore: No.Michael Sheehy: If you have a target and you adjust the target to what you’re doing….Glenn Moore: Adjust what you need to do to meet the target.Arnetta McRae: Let me just say, it’s been noted that you guys know that you need to stay on that.David Hodas: Any questions on what the base year is in legislation. In Pennsylvania they said it wasn’t the base year it’s a reduction from estimated future growth, which is nothing.Collin O’Mara: I think the main goal at the end of the day is to basically have Delaware’s per capita, per user or whole household total consumption look like California’s. Where it is basically it gets flat, hopefully you get down a little bit and we level it out. David Hodas: You looking at use per capita?Collin O’Mara: I saying let the workgroup sort it out. For example, we had a lot of good conversation this spring about few folks are switching to natural gas. There is a benefit to that in some ways they are moving from a dirtier source. You want to adjust it for all of those things, but at the end of the day the goal is for the average individual to use 15% energy and still being equally happy by using 15% less. Then figuring out a way to get there, obviously we have to get there and roll up and that where a lot of these variables come in, I think that’s the challenge. I

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think the individual is fairly easy, but what does it look like when you are trying to estimate population growth, economic cycle along with everything else. We will get there. Michael pointed out a good one; which is make a decision and let it be a common decision. David Hodas: I think workgroups do need to take a little bit of time to sort out things. Michael Sheehy: I did sound more critical but I see committees getting together and they go on and on and on, somebody at some point has to start. David Hodas: Is there a deadline for when you have to make a report? Who has to make the report?Phil Cherry: I think the Laws says the regulation has to be done by May and the report by the end of the year. In my view, that’s the problem. The report ought to predate the regulation. David Hodas: Obviously, you have to have some rationale for your regulation.Phil Cherry: You do, I think the group has to closure with a report by the end of June.David Hodas: Are you looking to propose a regulation by June 30th?Phil Cherry: We can’t get the group to issue a report on what a regulation ought to look like and get the regulation done at the same time. We can sort of walk the same path as we move into the future but one has to logically follow the other. David Hodas: It seems to me, as long as you set some realistic deadlines. Decisions get made if you have deadlines. Charlie Smisson: I might add that the members of this working group are very committed. The DEC and DEMEIC are not here today but they have been extremely valuable in what they have to offer and their very willing to give up their data and provide the necessary answers. So, I think this working group will come to a decision on this.David Hodas: It’s important to get a good decision because it is going to have a long term cumulative effect.Phil Cherry: Michael, you are well represented in the Public Advocates office. There is nothing in legislation stated that you can’t be represented by more than one. It’s a very open and welcoming conversation. Michael Sheehy: Thank you. I know now if the opinions I have are getting expressed as strongly as I need them to be. Arnetta McRae: Come yourself.Charlie Smisson: Michael the next meeting is January 14th.Laughter for the Council…Charlie Smisson: When is the next meeting and how often should we meet?David Hodas: I think we should at least anticipate now, given Collin’s enthusiastic support that we go back to once a month. I have to look at the date because I teach Thursday mornings now until next semester.Phil Cherry: Some parliamentary procedures, did we approve the minutes of the last meeting. David Hodas: The minutes have just been distributed now in draft form. The Energy Office has been very busy. So, what we are going to do is send out by email and ask people for comments. You all remember it so clearly, that was meeting where we approved things and we had Allen Muller visiting. We will ask people to review them and at the next meeting we will make any changes that are necessary based on review. We have 2 minutes to go and we will not start another topic unless someone has something pressing they want say. I want to wish everybody a great Holiday and Happy New Year and look forward to lots of new interesting stuff.

MEETING ADJOURNED:Meeting adjourned at 11:30am.

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