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revisedcodeDread Pirate

Posts: 2551From: Far Far Away in along lost galaxyRegistered: Apr 2000

posted 25 October 2000 08:42 AM

Welcome Aboard Everyone.

Please start as many threads as you like within this new forum!

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GwenSwashbuckler

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posted 25 October 2000 01:08 PM

Thanks for this topic, revisedcode. For those of you who have read"Windswept House" by Fr Malachi, these are interesting times. If youhaven't read it, please check it out at your public library..it waswritten as fiction, but that was probably the only way to get itpublished.

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Capt.HornblowerBuccaneer

Posts: 74From: Cold NorthAtlanticRegistered: Oct 2000


Gwen: Good to see you here. Best to all. I share your concerns. Letsjust scope it out for a while...

Pat

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TomGBuccaneer

Posts: 175From: ,TX, USARegistered: Oct 2000


Remember Gwen, Fr Malachi described the book as 'faction', not'fiction'. He said 85% of the people and 90 to 95% of the eventsactually have taken place (with the exception of the brief part takingplace in the future, which may be occurring as we speak!).

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TomGBuccaneer



Thanks, Cap'n, for making the decision for us. We would haveremained indefinitely in paralysis looking for where to start this threadwithout your help.

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I was just updating my bookmark and was wondering... How did FrMalachi rate the coveted 000001 html filename?

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macBuccaneer

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ok, breathing now.

Interesting observation Thomas; not surprise to us, right? Justchecking in for a moment. Will be back in a bit.regards/mac

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ChipLPirate

Posts: 3From: Richmond, VARegistered: Oct 2000


Yay! Not only a thread, but a whole category! Cool.

------------------Have a great day!-Chip

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Revisedcode--Thank you, sir! We love the 'new space'...

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T77Buccaneer

Posts: 551From: Wa. USARegistered: Aug 2000


My mistake.

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macBuccaneer



I guess I'll pick up where we left off somewhere down the road.Looking at my notes...

I followed a link of Gwens(http://www.starharbor.com/fr_martin/jul98.html) and re-visitedsome Fr. Martin's newsletter, 'St. Michael's Sword'.

I posed the question: What is the Emmaus Factor?

Here is why I am asking (I am quoting from Fr. Martin's newsletter):

" This is the basic lesson of Catholicism: that no glory, no completelyhumanistic happiness in this life is guaranteed to us Catholics, or evento Christians in general. What is promised us is Eternal Life by meansof the grace of Christ.At the present moment, in the Church, there areterrible troubles, terrible divisions and squabbles and fights. We arebreaking up into separate entities. And no man alive can predict whatthe Church will look like in l0 year's time. But, for all those who wishto find the truth and are willing to search for it, there will never beany doubt as to what they should do. The Emmaus Factor is the keyfactor of ourreligion. Ave Maria Gratia Plena - Malachi B. Martin (July 9, 1998)

Using google.com and the key word Emmaus. Didn't find much,except this:http://www.artofeurope.com/caravaggio/car1.htmhttp://www.latter-rain.com/ltrain/emmaus.htm

Fr. Martin is trying to convey a significance of Emmaus, but it's overmy head. I prevailed upon Thomas.

Ok Tom, here is where you come in. Hopefully you have your notes onthis one.

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I gave a pretty verbose response 'back there'. Here it is...

Mac, Fr Malachi devoted an entire tape to the Emmaus Factor.

The basic notion is this (I'll have to go back and listen to be sure, buthere is my recollection...). You can reference St Luke's Gospel,chapter 24, verses 13 to 32.

These two men were despondent after the crucifixion, and were goinghome to Emmaus. Here they were expecting Jesus to take onKingship, get rid of the Romans, etc., and now everything seemedlost.

As they were walking, another man joined them. As they walked, he



asked them what was up. They were incredulous that there could besomeone around who didn't know was what going on the last coupleof days. They explained about Jesus, and all he did, and how he died.

Now the important part...

Jesus then began to explain to them how it was fitting for the Messiahto suffer and so enter into His Glory. How in Scripture the prophetsdescribe how this would occur. Then He revealed Himself to the two.

Fr Malachi's opinion (based on the Church fathers) is that the Churchwould go through the same experience. It is fitting that the Churchsuffer before the end. The Church fathers talk about the Churchexactly mimicking Jesus' life through history. Fr Malachi figured theChurch had been betrayed from within, had been turned over to theworld, had been scourged and bloodied, had a crown of thorns placedon it, and was carrying Its cross. (He gives real world examples ofeach step). He was quick to add, we haven't yet been crucified, so youcan imagine what we have to look forward to.

So basically the Emmaus Factor has to do with the crucifixion of theChurch in these latter times. We will go through the Passion exactly asour King did, and it behooves us, it is fitting, that we do so.

I'm sure he explains it much better, but did this give you the idea?

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Yes, thanks Tom. I keep re-reading your post.

Interesting that that link up there has reference to the need to becareful about what one says;

"They walked in silence, for there were too many spies about, secretagents of the Romans and of the temple authorities. Only when theyhad left the city behind did they start talking to each other about thethings on their minds - those things that were so dangerous to talkabout when one did not know who was listening".

Tom, do you think this is an accurate interpretation?

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TomGBuccaneer



Which link, Mac.

Or are you referring to the scripture reference, New American Bible ?


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macBuccaneer



Tom, this one:http://www.latter-rain.com/ltrain/emmaus.htm

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I don't know, my guard went up.

The first paragraph retells St Luke, somewhat. The rest seems to besupposition. I don't know what the source is, especially of the spying,etc. The Romans were more interested in spying on the zealots, thanon Jesus and his small band of diciples.

I may be all wrong on this, but Romans considered the whole worldtheir territory. They seemed to be too proud to be spying, and not toointerested in local politics.

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macBuccaneer



Ah, I get your sense of it. Thanks.

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macBuccaneer



Say, do you recall Fr. Martin interjectinghis concern about masonic (not to be confused with messianic)elements (Windswept House p 274 for example). Have you researchedthislead at all?

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TomGBuccaneer



Fr Malachi considered the "West's" most important contribution tosalvation history to be the 'lodge'.

I don't know if we want to go down this path online. It is an offlinetopic. Otherwise we may end up with no friends.

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DisneyFreak96Swashbuckler

Posts: 1528From: New OrleansSquare, DisneylandRegistered: May 2000


quote:

Originally posted by TomG:Fr Malachi considered the "West's" most importantcontribution to salvation history to be the 'lodge'.

I don't know if we want to go down this path online.It is an offline topic. Otherwise we may end up withno friends.

If you do take it offline please take me with [email protected]

------------------signing off....DisneyFreak96http://how.to/savedisneyland/

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Hilda SophiaBuccaneer

Posts: 1334From: ConnecticutRegistered: May 2000


Tom and Mac,

Don't worry about losing friends here. I don't know of any other sitediscussing Father Malachi and his writings. A great number of peoplehave no idea of who he is!

The day the Vatican released the supposed Third Secret of Fatima,and I knew it wasn't what he had hinted at, I was beside myself as Ihad no one to discuss it with! No one at work had ever heard ofFatima!

Thanks for the link re Emmaus. I studied art history in college andlooked up Caravaggio.He painted the subject twice. Once in 1601-2 and again in 1606. Ihave to look up the story again, but my understanding of it was thatthe two men who met Jesus on the road did not realize who He wasuntil they were seated at the table. I believe what I was taught in myLutheran Sunday School was that Jesus might appear to usunexpectedly and we wouldn't know it was Him. In other words,sometimes we are preoccupied we don't notice who/what is right infront of us.

As it applies to the Catholic religion, I don't know, but will do someresearch. I'm not a member of any organized religion now, but likereading about it as a historian.

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We may or may not lose friends -here- if we begin to discussfreemasonry. Those in the lodge are very fervent, and do not like tobe criticized.

Over and above that, those who criticize the lodge, won't just losefriends on this board, but the information will get out, and you cansoon find yourself losing friends at work, and in any personalorganizations.

If you really touch a nerve (and we would reach that point veryquickly) Fr Malachi also talked about the possibility of losing yourkneecaps.

I guess I'm willing to talk about the giant world wide web (no punintended) of freemasonry and its influence, and the organizations tiedto it, and the oaths taken (especially at the higher degrees) and therituals performed (especially at the higher degrees), and the war(silent though it seems) between freemasonry and the Church. I justwant to be sure we all know what we are getting into.

Is that conspiratorial enough?

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Hilda, I'll start a thread on the 3rd secret, if you like. I tried to get aconversation started on this over at the "old place", but didn't get anyinterest (or we had too much else to discuss).

I believe the secret released speaks exactly to what Fr Malachi alwaystalked about. It is the interpretation that makes the difference.

There is talk that this is the vision as it occurred, but the 3rd secret(which hasn't been released) is the interpretation of the vision (just asOur Lady explained the vision of Hell to the children after they saw thevision). This seems plausible to me, but until I know more, I'm goingwith this release being ligit.

See you in the new thread, let's discuss this.

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Tom, I don't think it is wise to open a topic and discuss Freemasonery.They can't discuss things openly and it wouldn't be fair to talk aboutthem when they can't reply.

I remember once in high school sneaking into their meeting roomswith a friend whose father was a member. I don't remember what wewere doing there. It was day time, but I remember it was scary. Gotthe definite feeling that we shouldn't be there. Bad vibrations. Enoughsaid.

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Yes, Tom. Your point is well taken. No one here to speak fairly ontheir behalf. Just happened to notice it in Windswept House.You are right, plenty of other issues to unravel.

Must sign off for a bit. Computer sounds like a '57 Chevy with a blownmuffler. Think it's the fan.

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Anne posted over in the resignation forum about a book by Ted Flynn. It coversa lot of the information we would have gone into, had we started discussingfreemasonry.

I think we have some synchronicity going on here.

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Tom--As you know, Freemasonry has a history back several hundred yearswhere it gets tangled up in the Illuminati and even the Knights Templar.

It is a heated topic for many reasons, few of which have a direct correlation withFr. Malachi exceot that he did reference the influence they hold.

I agree with you--a separate forum is the place to discuss this as it is incrediblycomplex...

Thanks, Pat

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anya46Buccaneer

Posts: 33From: Lexington Park,MD USARegistered: Oct 2000


For anyone interested, I thought I'd post this over here also:

Fr.Martin requiem mass on video can be obtained here:http://www.catholiccounterpoint.com/category.html?UCIDs=354969%7C354975

paxanne q

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Anne, thank you for the info on the video, as well as the Flynn book.

This is off topic, but I want to commend you for staying home & teaching yourchildren. There is no more important job, in my opinion, than being astay-at-home mom. The reason I am going back to work fulltime next week isso I can assist my son and his family financially, in order to allow mydaughter-in-law to stay home with my 11 1/2 month old granddaughter. Thetime goes by so quickly and I don't want her to miss the opportunity. Bless you.

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Gwen, thanks for the link. This site is also selling most of the tapes fromTriumph Communications (the post I made back on the 'old site' about FrMalachi's other interviews.

Anne, I didn't know you were home schooling your kid(s). You are a hero to me.My wife is home schooling our four children, and I know she is the hardestworking person in America. I don't know how she does it. My only involvementis part time principal, the threat used to keep everyone focused.

Good luck, (is this your first year?)

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Dear Gwen;

Thanks for the pat on the back!I know I'm doing the right thing (and so do my kids, I think!), but it always feelsgoodto get those kind and encouraging words from someone else.

It was with my husband and my dear MIL's encouragement that I started downthis path -which just goes to show you, MIL's aren't always as bad as joked about!God bless you Gwen, you have a very blessedson and daughter-in-law.

paxanne

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Dear Tom;

This is our 5th year, next year I'll be schooling all three (yipee).Boy, with all these compliments, I may not be able to fit any shirts over my bighead,LOL!It does help with the oldest helping outwith the younger ones, but I have to makesure she doesn't boss her brother too much.

You guys take care, I'm going to be up in Richmond this week-end at mydaughters Highland Dance competition (I'll be hearin'bagpipes in my head for a week afterwards)

Hold down the fort-

paxanne

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deeremomSwashbuckler

Posts: 1895From: Very Small Town,TexasRegistered: Oct 2000


I love the discussions of Father Malachi Martin, the Third Secret of Fatima, theMasonic connections, etc. Please don't stop them.

There is no one in my life who understands and shares my interest and love forArt Bell and all of the issues he taught us about, and especially not these topics.I am so delighted to have been led to this forum.

Thank you all!

Pat

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TomGBuccaneer



deeremom, I know how you feel.

My wife feigns interest, but quickly zones me out. My daughter tells me to bequiet because I'm scaring her.

If I didn't have this outlet to share, I'd probably bust.

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Al BowmanBuccaneer

Posts: 451From: Bensalem, Pa.Registered: May 2000


Tom, I hear you! My wife says I scare her, my daughter is too young tounderstand, and this is defintely an outlet to share thoughts among friends. Imay not post all the time but I never miss any discussion on Father Martin. Ilearn something new just about every day. I do have my best friend sincechildhood interested in this though, so I am spreading the word a little bit.

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ShooterBuccaneer

Posts: 114From: Chicago, Illinois,U.S.A.Registered: Oct 2000


Please do! Start a thread on the "Third Secret!" I rmember when I brought thesubject up with a Priest at my Parish, He declined to discuss it. However, he didencourage me to continue my quest for the truth! Read Kathleen Keating's Book"Final Warning!" Sobering reading.I still don't think Fr. Malachi fell... I think he was pushed!

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Shooter, I did create a thread for, specifically, the 3rd secret.

What I wanted to do is take apart the vision, as released by the Holy See, andcompare/reconcile it with everything we know about the secret, especially allthe clues Fr Malachi gave us over the years.

I also want to derive an interpretation that is objective. My problem withCardinal Ratzinger's interpretation is that it is the view of a Curia official, whowas a participant of Vatican II, and has been a leader of the Church duringrecent Church history. I think his position, and responsibilities color theinterpretation he has released. I think we can collectively do better.

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Anya--I hope your weekend went well!. I have to confess that my kilt hangssadly in my attic, and it has been years since I attempted to breathe life into thepipes. I think it has to do with an extra 20 pounds and a lack of time to practice,but you have rekindled the Celtic fires!

As ever,

Pat

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Night RamblerBuccaneer

Posts: 85From: Florida's GulfCoastRegistered: Oct 2000


quote:

Originally posted by deeremom:I love the discussions of Father Malachi Martin, the ThirdSecret of Fatima, the Masonic connections, etc. Please don'tstop them.

There is no one in my life who understands and shares myinterest and love for Art Bell and all of the issues he taughtus about, and especially not these topics. I am so delightedto have been led to this forum.

Thank you all!

Pat

This is kind of a late reply, but I'm still catching up on my forum-reading...Youechoed my feelings exactly! I really miss hearing both of these venerable men.

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Dear Pat - My dear man, it's never too late to take-up the pipes!Another bit of mis-information put out byother 'supposed' authorities - on EWTN the host Raymond Arroyo wasinterviewing a priest, who when asked by a caller,if he knew Malachi Martin,stated, 'yes, he knew Malachi Martin, had talked with him a few times, and hadreceived some direction from him, but, btw, did you know, Malachi Martin hadnever performed an exorcism?'How disgusting! Unless Malachi was a consumate liar, it's very well known hedid perform exorcisms, and that he assisted at exorcisms in his later years...I don't know if this priest had an 'agenda', or was merely misinformed himself,but I'm tempted to write and take them to task on that statement. Btw, thispriest admitted he had only been performing exorcisms for approx.4yrs. He isout of the New York diocese.Malachi was tireless in his priestly duties as a spiritual director and confessor -he always had time (I don't know how), to writea note or letter to someone who needed his advice, or make a phone calls todiscuss problems with what he considered his spiritual sons and daughters. Hewas not 'above it all', distancing himself from the 'common people' - Malachitook his obligations as a priest in dead earnest.And even though he was a brillant man in his learning, he had that ability toimmediatelyestablish a bond of trust and rapport with anyone who sought him out for help,indeed, I believe that's why other did seek his help,because, as he so beautifully put it in 'Hostage to the Devil', "The quality ofhumanness reaches a striking degree of fullness in some of us; when it does, itseems to give a shimmering tonal halo to our communication with those aroundus, and others feel in such a person a temperament that eagerly responds tofragile but intimately precious values." That is precisely the quality Malachipossessed -



To put it simply, I think many clerics whodisdain and 'pooh-pooh' his credibility, have succumbed to simple envy.

I'll get off my soapbox now - hope you all had a great week-end.

Paxanne

p.s. - Tom, Gwen, Pat, daughter brought home 1 trophy, 3(1st)places, 2(2nd)places and (1)3rd place. Whew, am I glad the dance season is over!

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TomGBuccaneer



Anne, if dance season is over, what an incredible way to finish.

Give her our congratulations, well done!

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Posts: 300From: Reno, NVRegistered: May 2000


As a kid who graduated from Catholic School in 1966, Father Martin remindedme of some of the Irish Priests who educated me.

As much as I loved the man, Father Martin was a very old-school conservative,who saw the reforms within the Catholic Church, away from rigid dogma andunquestioned authority as Satanic. His antithesis in life would be another IrishPriest, Father Andrew Greeley, author of "White Smoke," among many others.Father Greeley openly lauds reforms, and wishes for even more.

If Art returns to the air, I'd love to see him make contact with Father Greeley fora different view, and bring him on the show.

------------------Rick Jackson

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TomGBuccaneer



Andrew Greeley is a priest parading around as a sex therapist.

He makes his living writing smut novels and criticizing the Holy See.

His point of view is already well known. If he were on the radio, he would be putforward as a voice of Catholicism, but the notions he will put forward will not beCatholic. He will, of course, veil his language carefully, but his points will be thesame.


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Fr Malachi never considered the reforms as specifically Satanic. He consideredthe situation as "allowed by God" to permit the Church structuretoauto-demolish. He always considered it God's will, and His way of preparing theChurch for the future. If the hierarchy of the Church wanted to cause the Churchstructure's demise, Fr Malachi figured God said, "Fine". If you look at Pope JPII'soutlook on the future of the Church, prior to the assasination attempt, and hisoutlook afterwards, there was a change. JPII saw that the Church structure wasgoing down, and turned his attention elsewhere.

All this fits into God's plan. If you look at the state of the Catholic Church now,and how it was before Vatican II, and more specifically, prior to Pope Leo XIII'svision or Lucifer being granted 100 years to reak havoc, I don't think evenAndrew Greeley can show how we are better off now, in matters of faith.

On the other hand, spiritual pride and heresy runs rampant. Notions such as,everyone is saved, no one goes to Hell, God is too loving to send anyone there,are prevalent in the Church today, and it has never been taught by the Church.


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Dear Thomas:

As my protestant friends like to say, "AMEN"!!

As one convert said to a cradle Catholic, while describing his journey into theFaith'This particular 'modern-day priest gave me no reason to come into the Faith,indeed, he didn't think it really mattered if I converted, and that I'd be better offstaying where I was (protestant), to which the cradle Catholic replied, "Well,they (modernist clerics)never gave us a reason to STAY in the Church",pinpointing one of the reason so many Catholics abandoned the Faith who wereraised on the catechisis of the 60s and 70s.Indeed, I'm sure if I'd of had Fr.Greeley as my spiritual director (if he evensubscribes to that antiquated, quaint function)instead of Malachi, I'm certainmyself, along with my children, wouldn't be Catholic at presentand my husband wouldn't have felt the need to come back to the Faith after a30yr.absence.Thank the good Lord for dedicated and ardent priests like Fr.Martin - they standas sanctuaries of sanity in these evil, chaotictimes.

Paxannep.s.- thanks Tom for the lauds for my daughter - even though she doesn't knowyou,it pleased her to know others shared a bit ofher happiness in a job well done.

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Tom, I agree on Andrew Greeley. My mother-in-law gave me one of his books toread years ago. I started to read it and could not believe that the author was apriest. Anyone saying that Father Martin did not perform exorcisms is a flat outliar.

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Posts: 1722From: anchorage,Alaska, USARegistered: Sep 2000

posted 01 November 2000 10:53 AM

Wow, thank you soooo much for these threads on Fr Malachi Martin.In keeping with the vein (more or less) of what I've read in this thread, I highlyrecommend reading "The Final Conclave", written in 1978 by Fr Martin. The firsthalf of the book gives, for the first time in public, the true "inside view" of theConclave of Cardinals that elects a new Pope. WHEW stuff, even as a Catholic, Inever imagined.And it is very interesting to read the "fictional" second half of the book, what heimagined 20 years ago would happen, compared to what really has happened!"Saint Michael the Archangel defend us in battle...." maryals

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Al, according to Henry King, a long time friend of Fr Malachi's, Fr Malachiassisted at hundreds of exorcisms, but he never presided. He was not THEexorcist. Later in life he continued to assist, and directed exorcisms, many atthe same time, but again, did not preside over any particular exorcism.

This is according to Henry King.

(We may be talking semantics here, since he did take part in many exorcisms,but I guess people could be correct in saying he never presided over anexorcism. By the same token, if anyone says it in such a way as to make itseem Fr Malachi lied about his exorcisms, or tries to diminish the work he gavehis life to do, is disingenuous at best, malicious at worst.)

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posted 05 November 2000 03:39 PM

Anya46

You will be glad to know that I dragged the Irish war-pipes out of the closet. Ineed a new bag and reeds, but it was you who inspired me to, once again, takeup my appointed task as piper!

Trying to keep up with the board--computer time is limited--but Mac, Tom, Alet.al. are a pleasure to read when I do get on.

As ever,

Pat

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Tom, wasn't there a couple of other thread here? I thought we were evaluatingthe possible successors to the Pope. Am I imagining something? I get lost here,must learn to leave bread crumbs. I think I liked it much better when we hadone thread, and we just posted whatever angle or lead we were working on.Gwen - Are you ok? Hope you are well.

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Dear Pat - That's great! Has it been that many years since youplayed?One of these days, my family will get back to Ireland - to meet all theother family(mostly migrated from the northern county areas) - the Irish surelyleft an indelible stamp of themselves on human history, especiallywith all things of the 'other world'(spiritual plane).One day, God willing...

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Oh jeez. I just found the Fatima and Pope John Paul successorthreads. I'm such an idiot. Can't believe I did that. Had the preferencesetting to show only last day of posts. Sorry guys.

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Tom: I keep re-reading your short treatise on the Emmaus Factor. Itbecomes more clear to me each time I read it. All of a sudden, Iunderstand the analogy and the Church's evolution.

If the Church's crucifixion has not yet occurred...well...I will say that Ifind it very disturbing. The text of the Third Secret of Fatima come tomind.

I think there is a reason that Fr. Martin mentioned the 3rd Secret,repeatedly - and then cited the reference to the Emmaus Factor.

Take a look at the scenario if you overlay the visual of the 3rd Secret(what it looks like), with the Emmaus Factor explanation (the "why" ofit).

Recap references:"...for all those who wish to find the truth and are willing to search forit, there will never be any doubt as to what they should do. TheEmmaus Factor is the key factor of our religion. Ave Maria GratiaPlena - Malachi B. Martin (July 9, 1998)".

Hilda Sophia: Thanks for that insight into the Carravagio (sp?)painting. I think I will click over to the Museum of Art (WashingtonDC, to see if they have a larger gif). I need to see this.

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Hi all, nothing to add tonight, just very tired and blah feeling...neededto touch base with kindred spirits. Bless you all...be vigilant...praywithout ceasing.

Love and peaceGwen

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Hi guys - me too. Just checking in. Working on our project. Gwen, besure you're getting enough rest; and let these other "peripheral"issues simply float out to sea...Pat, you doing ok?

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Hello, all:

Haven't had a spare moment recently, but it is great to see what youall are up to.

Anya--I must confess my piping skills were minimal, but it is time totake the pipes out again!

My 10 year-old daughter was recently injured in a soccer game. Weare dealing with 'post-concussive syndrome' which entails loss ofshort-term memory, processing speed is lowered, erratic wordretrieval, headaches, nausea and constant muscle aches. Have beenin and out of the hospital. Unknown exactly how much damage andunknown how much is temporary or long-term. A nightmare...

Her name is Marianne. Keep her in your prayers if you would...

Talk soon.

Thanks, all.

Pat

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Pat, so sorry to hear about your daughter's accident. She, as well asyou and your family, will most certainly be in my prayers. It is sodifficult when your child is hurting, when you are wishing you couldjust take the hurt away and bear it for them. Give her a hug from afriend she has never met in Arizona, who is sending love and goodthoughts her way. Take care.

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Pat, you can count on your daughter being in the intentions of the sixin our household, during our daily Rosary.

Good luck, my friend

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Pat -

will keep you and Marianne in our prayers.

God bless you and keep you, Pat

anne

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Posts: 40From: the Hudson Valleyarea of New YorkRegistered: May 2000


Pat,Your daughter is certainly in my prayers, as are you. Hope all is wellvery soon for your family.

Mary Anne

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Posts: 435From:Registered: May 2000


Pat, Please keep us posted on your daughters progress. There isnothing more devastating then having a sick child and wondering whatthe outcome will be - the waiting is the worst part!My son (he's 29 now) had some major health problems when he wasyoung and I remember what that worry was like. He's fine now, thankGod. We would take him to Childrens Hospital in Philadelphia and feltlucky to have such a fine hospital in our area.The most important thing is to get her to the right doctor, which isn'talways easy to do.I will say a prayer for her and your family tonight and I hope that sherecovers quickly.Best Wishes,Barbara R.

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Pat, I am so sorry to hear of your daughters injury. I know she will bebrave - kids always seem to have an inner strenghth, and adetermination to get better. Our regards to you and your family, Pat.

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Dear all:

Your kind thoughts and prayers mean a lot. Thanks so very much.Hopefully all will be well...

Pat

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Hello to my friends--

Just got in from the hospital.

I think I have good news. The neurologist in Boston (the secondopinion) feels that the damage is only temporary due to contusions onthe right side of the brain. These should heal. No evidence of nerve orcervical or permanent cranial damage.I think it was the bright light and the prayers from all of you...

Love you all....

Pat

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Pat, that is wonderful news. The prayers will continue! Take care. Youare in our thoughts.

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Dear Pat -

I am so relieved to hear that things are betterI've so often thought of your dear daughterMarianne, since my oldest girl is also 10yrs.old -and as Gwen posted above, our prayers will continue for you and yourfamily

Pax Christianne

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Posts: 40From: the Hudson Valleyarea of New YorkRegistered: May 2000


Pat, Glad you had some good news from the neurologist. Be assuredof our continued prayers for you and your daughter.

Mary Anne

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Pat,

I hope all goes well with your daughter. I think if I had it to do overagain I would like to be a pediatrician or pediatric nurseas kids seem to bounce back so fast from illnesses.

I remember when my daughter had her appendix out at age six. Istayed overnight after the operation and then went home for a fewhours. When I came back, she was really perky and went to thebathroom by herself. She cameout and said, "I have to tell the nurse what I did before I can flush." Ihad a hard time to keep from laughing. This was a kid whosometimes forgot to flush at home!

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Thank you all so much. While there appears to be no permanentdamage, it will take weeks/months to restore that which was. Excessstimulation is a problem, so we will be home-schooling for the rest ofthe year. Hopefully, all will be well.

I need to say how much your kind words meant. Just think, my littleone had friends she had never met! She says you are her angels--andI know she is right! Your continued prayers will be a blessing.Somehow, I think that Fr. Martin was never far from folks like us. Hesaw God in many small ways. We , here, found him in your thoughtsand prayers.

Love and thanks.

Pat

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Pat, I had not been on this thread for a while and am just nowcatching up. I am very glad that everything will be well with yourdaughter, and I just know that the prayers from everyone helped. Iwill add your daughter to my daily prayers. I am sure everything willbe fine.

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Pat, thanks for keeping us posted on Marianne's progress. You know, Iwas looking at my favorite plaque hanging on the wall in my bedroom,just before I checked these boards. It says, "We are, each of us, anangel with only one wing, and we can fly only by embracing eachother."

We must all remember how fragile life is; don't put off telling someoneyou love them, or saying I'm sorry if there is a rift. Be good to oneanother.

You and yours will continue in our prayers. Take care.

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To Pat, Gwen, Tom, Mac and all the rest:

God bless all, keep you safe and in Gods' careandHis Peace be with you

anne (off to peel the potatoes!)

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Hello, all:

Back to business. Can anyone recall what Fr. Martin's feelings wereconcerning 'alien' life forms. I remember reading something monthsago...There is much literature regarding different entities in folkloreand literature, but there is little information which clearly discernsbetween the innocent and the demonic. I think I remember Fatheracknowledging other life forms, but I cannot remember what was theindicator of the demonic.

Any thoughts or memories?

Pat

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Pat, didn't you hear that one interview with Art, where a caller spentten minutes trying to get Fr Malachi to agree the universe was"teeming with intelligent life"?

It was so amusing to listen to. Fr Malachi stood his ground, while thisother guy tried to brow beat (and Art was agreeing with the otherguy). Finally, since they weren't getting anywhere, Art cut the calleroff and asked Fr Malachi something along the lines of, "If life is found,out in the Cosmos, would it affect your beliefs?" (this is from memory,I don't really remember what he said). Fr Malachi replied, simply, "No,I would be more amazed at God's power/wonder". (Again, I don'tremember the stuff exactly, but I think this was the jist of theconversation).

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BTW, Pat...

Since the interviews I've been listening to have been pretty fruitlesson third secret issues, I'll be re-listening to the Art Bell interviews aswell. When I hit this one, I'll give you exact quotes.

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Tom:

I must have missed that one! Thanks a million. Any information would be extremely helpful...

Thanks...

Pat

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Check this out from the Telegraph this morning (Vatican Ban On Exorcism At Mass)http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000114832908976&rtmo=kCbkAJZp&atmo=ggggg3JK&pg=/et/00/11/28/wvat28.html

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Gwen, what are your thoughts?

Fr Malachi talked about Milingo on the Art Bell show once. I think the context was how Milingo talked about the satanism inthe Vatican, and how people were getting mad about it.

Irrespective of that last paragraph, my concern is whether Mass is the correct forum for exorcism, faith healing, speaking intongues, or any of the other charismatic stuff that goes on.

I'd like to know your opinion.

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posted 06 December 2000 01:22 PM

Pat, I found that reference to the guy talking about the universe "teaming with intelligent life".

It was the April 4th, 1996 interview with Art Bell. It's 60 minutes into my second 90 minute tape, so it's probably prettyclose to the end of the interview.

If you don't have it, I guess I can transcribe it (I'm getting better at this).

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Tom, Thanks a million. By the way, reference to the above post, it is my understanding that Mass is not the proper forum foran exorcism, as the languages and ritual found in the Rite in no way require the Sacrifice of the Mass or the Consecration.I suspect faith healing and charismatic occurences are not in the same category as they are not part of any rite or ritual...

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Pat, my understanding is Archbishop Milingo is doing both, in a pentecostal manner. Mass is also a specific ritual, that shouldbe followed according to the rubrics. I don't see where faith healing or the other stuff fits in.

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Tom:

I am with you. The Mass is just that--it is not a setting or a backdrop for other activities.My suspicion is that the Fisherman can use any venue He chooses to make His will/presence known in any number of waysincluding, but not limited to faith healing.

However, I think it would be totally inappropriate to 'design' a Mass in hopes of having these activities occur, as this wouldinvolve a corruption of the Rite.

Interesting....

Pat

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Two things-Pat-Thank you for keeping us updated on your daughter-I've been praying for her...

Second-EWTN and others have attacked Fr. Martin for several things including administering the sacraments. Why? Becausehe would have been one of only a few men to be able to do it with the proper paperwork (most people that leave give upthat right and he had no paper that said otherwise) and #2 because he was so conservative. He has aligned himself withsome Right-Right Wingers. I'm not saying I don't agree with him, but at least on group he approves of-the LeFebves-is notlegal in the Catholic Church.

If one looks at how liberal The Church is today-it's not that suprising that EWTN isn't embracing him and even, upon hisdeath, writing a piece stating he wasn't a priest and shouldn't be doing ANY sacraments including Mass.


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posted 10 December 2000 09:51 AM

DisneyFreak96, are you telling us that Mother Angelica claimed Fr Malachi was NOT a priest?

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Disney,

Thank you kindly for your prayers. They are appreciated.

Pat

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Posts: 1895From: Very Small Town,TexasRegistered: Oct 2000


I have been away for awhile--So glad you are continuing this thread. I'm trying to catch up. You all are an inspiration!

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I was re-listening to my copy of the July 13-14th 1998 interview of C2C with Malachi Martin. This was the show where Artask the audience to please send him a copy of the third secret of Fatima. (Because he lost his original copy)

Tom I can't help but wonder if one of those old archived interviews with Ed Dames and Malachi back in Nov of 97 isn't whatyou're really looking for. Does anyone remember that particular night?

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I have the Nov, 25 1997 interview of Ed Dames on Art Bell. I don't remember Fr Malachi coming on air on that show, Icertainly would have noted it.

I heard Ed Dames talk many times of the night he went "toe to toe" with Fr Malachi, but I was never able to hear thatinterview, or see it in the archives, etc.

If they were on air together, I can't imagine the conversation being other than Ed defending Remote Viewing.

Does anyone have that interview (or a transcript)?

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I'm working on the 7/13/98 interview right now. That's the last I have for interviews. I know they talked about the thirdsecret at length (Art even apologizing at one point for pressing Fr Malachi). Once it's all out here, then we can dig in.

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DisneyFreak, I just cannot believe that folks on EWTN critisized Fr Malachi. I'm not calling you a liar.....did you hear it withyour own ears, or just passing along the info second hand? I mean, Mother Angelica could be the female counterpart of FrMartin, she's that conservative. Yet, like Fr Malachi Martin, the Love shines thru her voice and face!I vaguely remember the night both Ed Dames and Father Malachi Martin were guests of Art Bell, and in my memory they gotalong very well, agreeing on many things. But best to depend on those who have the actual tapes to get the record straight.maryals

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No, the Mother herself did not say it. However, on their website they stated that he wasn't a practicing priest.

To non-Catholics this can be confusing.He did admit that he asked to be released from his vows. Most priests who are released can no longer perform Mass or othersacraments except in extreme circumstances such as a car wreck or if the Pope gives them permission. It was claimed thathe continued to perform the sacraments after he was released and that he did not carry around the paper from the vaticanhe would need to continue performing them. His friends claim in private session the Pope gave him 'oral' permission to doso.EWTN is in italics.

Malachi Martin states, and the Holy See will confirm if asked, that "In 1965, Mr. Martin received a dispensation from allprivileges and obligations deriving from his vows as a Jesuit and from priestly ordination." ....Malachi Martin alleges that hehas the permission of the then Pope, Paul VI, to say the Mass in private. Although laicized priests are prohibited fromperforming the sacraments, except in certain cases provided for in Canon Law, there is no way to verify whether he has suchan exception, and the Congregation would not necessarily know if the Pope verbally assured him he could celebrate Mass inprivate. Generally a man should be taken at his word unless there is evidence to the contrary.

Regarding Windswept House they claim he broke a basic obligation-sort of like a vow.

To deny the past and present Judases within the Church would be wrong. However, to act as if it made any difference to ourobligations of obedience would be to take scandal (called passive scandal) from those who are giving scandal.

And last but not least they deal with the problems of some of the beliefs Father Martin held.

it should be noted than on his{Father Martins) World Wide Web homepage he accepts as his own the Profession of Faith ofCampos....compares Campos to LeFebve...The Profession of Faith of Campos clearly manifests the same spirit ofself-judgment concerning Tradition, its extent, its interpretation and its application which brought about this[excommunication of 5 bishops] schism. And while this text professes an admirable adherence to Tradition, it undercuts thisprofession by opposing the actual decisions of the only one capable of authentically interpreting Tradition.

If one keeps in mind that Tradition (with a capital T) in the Catholic Church is equal to the Bible these are very strong words.

That is what it said. Again, remember Father Martin is right to Mother Angelica.

If you'd like to read more about this just let me know and I'll keep posting answers!

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Ian was talking about Father Martin briefly on last nights show. He indicated that he will be doing a show on him in the nearfuture. Ian also wrote his latest column on the subject.

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Al, who's Ian?

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DisneyFreak, do you know much about Colin Donovan?

I know he is associated with EWTN, as a theologian, but not a whole lot else.

STL or not, I found it funny how he equivocates when talking about the charismata, or progressive Church issues, orMedjugorje, etc., yet comes down like a ton of bricks on the more conservative, orthodox, traditional viewpoints.

I printed out his stuff on Malachi Martin, and the page out on Star Harbor (there is controversy there, whether Fr Malachiactually put that there or not, but that aside...). I will read it over carefully, and compare it with what I know, from aconversation I've had with Fr Charles Fiore, and all my other information, just to see if it jives.

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Originally posted by TomG:DisneyFreak, do you know much about Colin Donovan?

No, I will look into him a bitquote:

I printed out his stuff on Malachi Martin, and the page out on Star Harbor (there is controversy there,whether Fr Malachi actually put that there or not, but that aside...). I will read it over carefully, andcompare it with what I know, from a conversation I've had with Fr Charles Fiore, and all my otherinformation, just to see if it jives.



I don't know much about Star Harbor except all I get when I pull it up is an electronic "Mass Card"-they closed down the restof the site.

It's my understanding that Unity Publishing does 'jive' with what Father Martin believed. It was the malachimartin.com sitethat was really in question. Even Father Martin's closest friends from years ago including Fr Charles Fiore acknowledgehttp://www.unitypublishing.com

(See http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6401/news.html for more information)


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This is going to be long, and it's not complete, but here is part of the transcript from Fr. Malachi Martin and Major Ed Dameswhen they were on Art's show. I haven't had time to finish transcribing.

(missed the first few minutes on the tape...)AB: …protection.FRM: ….oh absolutely…AB: well…FRM: That’s the…now I only want to introduce (?), the thing which I’ve talked about before, which I can never put exactly…Itis the supernatural. The supernatural is the _ _ _(biat?) in the Christian tradition and in the Jewish tradition. But since I’m aChristian I must be authoritated only by that. This idea of a supernatural is disturbing on one sense, but consoling in anothersense, because the Christian idea is that the supernatural itself is totally alien to human nature, but has come to humannature to elevate it…ah, and therefore to protect it…in this…in this field. Especially in this field, but in the normal field ofhuman behavior too. But it’s alien to it, in the sense that, I myself cannot, of myself, just with my human powers attain thewisdom I need, in order to avoid…ah…collision and damage and…ah…harm. That’s the idea of the supernatural inChristianity.AB: Doctor may I ask you this?FRM: Sure.AB: Could Ed’s understanding, or uhm, enlightenment…FRM: Yes…AB:…protect him against possession?FRM: It could, given merely the words he has used and the phrases he has used and what he has said. I find no trace of thethings that betray…ah…the innate weakness of fantasy or pride or self-reliance. Umm…I find a Godliness in it…ah…and that isone of the keys to it. He should be protected against it, because the grace…ah…supernatural grace is there. All I’m doing issaying that, that has been with him apparently all along, because he sited his own career as a young man and then gettinghim to the…the dark corners and using the light to see the lurking dangers that were there…to be able to detect an angel oflight, which is really the shadow itself, pretending…trying to defeat him. So yes, the answer is yes. He…he can do that withimpunity. Ah…but then that would mean that, if I were to be fully and completely and thorough in that, in that answer, I’dhave to sit down with Ed and take him…All right now, tell me how you pray, and how you think, and how you behave, andhow you lived…AB: Oh…FRM: …and your morality. And I’ve no intention of doing that to Ed, because he wouldn’t do it to me…in public anyway.AB: All right…um…Ed,…uh…do you want to hang on a little bit longer?MED: Ah, it’s up…I’m…I’m digging in to Father Martin’s time, and…ah…I can hang in for another 30 minutes…AB: All right, why don’t we do another…another 30 minutes…Is that all right with you?FRM: That’s lovely.



AB: All right good. We will be back and we will do exactly that next. I’m Art Bell.(break)AB: Well all right…Back now to Doctor Malachi Martin and ah….Major Ed Dames. And ah, Doctor Martin is remote viewingsomething that you would not…ah…participate in, or as described…ah…is it something that you feel would have value andsomething you might even try yourself?

FRM: Ah…whatever, about trying myself, because I’m not a technician nor haven’t been trained in this, I don’t regard it aspotentially dangerous. And in fact Art, I think at this stage what we should do is sketch out where the discussion has arrived.Um…Major Ed Dames has outlined…ah…very careful and tried and tested…um I’m…I was going to use the word technique,but he will forgive me if it’s not exactly that…not the exact word. But it’s a method of exploring and remote viewing,especially with view to intelligence, military and I suppose civilian, and also as regards human behavior. Now, and hedoes…he has pointed out that they had learned by bitter lessons, that certain types of people…certain characters…ah, aresimply not fitted to be brought along this way, because of the dire results that take place. And he didn’t expand on that andthere’s not need to. We can imagine what he means…what he means by it. The position of the exorcist…where we come in, issomebody who has gone off the rail, as it were. Somebody who has not merely become phenetic (?), but does seem to beah…possessed as the classical term has it. Ah…and in his terms it is that the shadow has become completely all powerfulover a particular individual, and the…the simple technique we use is a technique of confrontation…ah…between the exorcistand the exorcee…the possessed person, the presumably possessed person. And that’s the initial problem…to find out, is theperson really possessed or is it something else. And the confrontation between the exorcist and the exorcee _______authority over the shadow…and ah, forcing the shadow by the authority of God, of Christ, to depart. That’s roughly the areawe have covered. Um…and ah, by the way, I must ask, as simple question about spelling. I don’t know how to spell Citex. Isit Cite…”C I T E X”?AB: Ed?MAD: Father Martin it’s a…it’s a transliteration of the Greek letter of “C”. Ah…”P S I”…Psi.FRM: Oh…Psitex. “T E X” is it?MAD: “P I T E CH” (?)FRM: “T E C H” All right…and Ed is it, “D A M E S” is the way you spell your name?MAD: That’s correct.FRM: I…I didn’t know that. That’s all right. I _____(?) because I would like to correspond, or to be in contact with you if Imay? Um…and I suppose I’ll find it some way in California, I’ve got to find you…MAD: I’ll ah…make that connection and ah…Art will be our middle man. I was going to ask you, that perhaps we couldcorraborate in the future, or is there a case that… an exorcist case in the past, that you found intractable or, or, orirresolvable that perhaps my company could turn it’s attention to…FRM:…There…there…there may well be, and I think we should talk about that between the two of us, outside of the publicradio.MAD: OK…FRM: But ___(unable to understand)… Art Bell’s question, NO. I have no…I’m not even cherry about entrusting…ah…myselfto the methods and the technology used, because things to me…ah…Major Ed, and I’m speaking as a priest here…and as anexorcist. It seems to me that you are overshadowed by a Godliness which I can only ascribe to my Savior. Now I’m using myChristian language, and you’ll forgive that.MAD: Ah…There’s no need to forgive that.FRM: Yea…MAD: But I’m also a simple Christian.FRM: Yea, I know…and basically it’s a great simplicity. And there’s a whole elaboration of that about the commandish (?) ofour Lord Jesus and what He’s done, and what He does, and the power that He gives, and the authority that He gives. Butthat’s simply…those are the details of it all. So Art, to conclude that, my answer your question, NO. I…I would havereally…really illimitable trust in the method that’s Ed… Major Ed Dames uses and the technique. I ah, I ah have no qualmswhatever. I really have not.AB: I find that remarkable. You both apparently agree on the general nature of the middle ground.FRM: That middle plateau we both know. I think we’ve both been there or are there, in (light laughter)…in the work we do.Do you agree?MAD: I absolutely do.



AB: Many, many Christians…ah, people who would call this program or send me faxes would say, that what Ed is doing is,“of the devil”. They would…(?) think…quick judgement.MAD: Ah…Art may I interrupt you and say…AB: Of course…MAD: That the head of the presidential foreign intelligence board, when briefed on the existence of our program, ah stated,________(cannot understand)…that man should not know these things until he dies.FRM: Ha…ah…You know, it’s…it’s a funny inversion of what a…what happened in the garden, according to Genesis. It reallyis, you know, you shall be as gods…as it was a temptation.

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No matter what anyone says or writes, Father Malachi Martin was a devoted Priest to our Lord Jesus Christ and the CatholicChurch.

I know from the many times I heard him on Art's show...from the words he spoke, the tone of his voice, and mostimportantly...his compassion for people. He was indeed a devoted Priest to the Catholic Church.

We should listen carefully to all his tapes and transcripts. I do believe he told us much in those interviews. We need to payattention and follow his example as a follower of Jesus Christ, which was what Father Malachi was all about.

I had a dream about him once. In it, he showed me other young men wanting to become priests. He also told me howwonderful it was when he took his vows, and let me feel what some of he felt, and some of what the young men felt. It wasreally neat.

I believe he visited me in my dreams, from Heaven. I have had many other dreams of others who have passed on...thoughnot all.

One time my real mother visited me in my dreams (she was passed on) and she showed me her job in heaven...to learn howto be a good mother...and she showed me my girlfriend's new daughter, who was about 1 1/2 years old. My girlfriend waspregnant with here 2nd child at the time.

When my girlfriend's baby was 1 1/2 yrs. old, I went to see her for a visit. I had forgotten about the dream, but I had toldher about it after I had it.

Anyway, there was the same exact little girl standing in front of me. She looked just like she had in the dream. And mygirlfriend told me about how she was, what her personality was like. As it was the same that I had dreamt about, and toldmy girlfriend about.

No matter what anyone says, Fr. Malachi Martin was a true man. He died under suspicious circumstances. He professed thathe was being held, sequestered from the world, right before his death. He told all, even though he put himself in harms way,because he was/is devoted to Jesus Christ.

I just wanted to share that with everyone. Thanks

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Thank you DisneyFreak96 and EverafterGirl! I take a week or so off from this FF and WHEW!!I very much apppreciate the info, and your hard work....everybody! All of this, at the Fr Martin threads, and other threads atthis FF, is very important. maryals

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Tonight on C2C Ian Punnett is hosting and Brian Doran is the guest. There is a tape of Fr. Martin too. Here's what it says onC2C:

"Doran has been working as a radio copywriter and reporter in western New York since the early 1980's. He first began hisresearch on the life of Malachi Martin in the late fall of 1999, four months after Martin's death. Doran came to know FatherMalachi Martin while working at radio station WLEA in Hornell, New York in the mid-1990's. "Malachi Martin: God'sMessenger" provides listeners with remembrances of the County Kerry boy who one day would become a priest, linguist, anarcheologist, an exorcist, Vatican diplomat, and New York Times bestselling author."

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I hope everyone was able to tune in to hear Ian interviewing Brian Doran last night. It was a great program and I managedto stay awake for most of it.

Brian has compiled tapes of Fr. Malachi and also interviews with people who worked withhim and has them available on cassettes. Very reasonable. I ordered a set this morning. At one point in the conversation,Ian said he had piles of Fr. Malachi's tapes on his desk!

Was good to hear all of the tidbits from a person who actually knew Fr. Malachi as a friend of the family. Check out Brian'ssite at www.mmgm.org

Ian quoted everaftergirl's message posted here and also mentioned the Fanatastic Forum site.

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Hilda - I listened last night - it was great! Learned a few things Ihadn't known or had forgotten...

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Cherry,

Wasn't it a great program? I was upset by several callers who seemedto want to spread gossip and rumors about Father Malachi. I don'tbelieve a word they said. I'm sure it was jealousy and envy more thananything else. Jesuits are fair game. I know a few.

I was also interested in the mention that he was elderly, but kept onwith his work to the point of exhaustion. That's what Edgar Cayce did.He went where he was asked no matter the cost to his health.

I was tickled by the know-it-all who tried to correct the pronounciationof the name Malachi. I learned it as Mal-a-ki when I learned the booksof the Bible, but that is the Hebrew pronounciation. Mal-a-key isGallic. Used to listen to Malachi McCourt on radio from NYC years ago.He's Frank's brother. He always said Mal-a-key.

By the way, Frank and his wife are having a bit of a tussle with thezoning board at their country house in Roxbury, CT. He wanted to turna barn into a writing studio, but the board decided the bathroom hewanted to put in was too big. He is supposed to x the shower!

Sorry to go off subject, but thought you'd enjoy a bit of gossip fromLitchfield County,CT.

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I just heard Ian's mention of it in the archived tape. Thanks, Amanda

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Hello, all--

I listened with interest to the Doran interview on C2C. It wasfascinating. I was also glad to see that our friend, Everaftergirl, got anationwide mention!!

Tom and Mac--I am thinking that now we have to 'verify' themessenger as well as his message. I am not sure how that can bedone but I think it is essential.

That interview gave us a glimpse of the disinformationagents/agencies who are lurking.

It is clear that their intent is and will be to discredit the messenger inthe hope that his message will then be disregarded.

Almost Clintonian...

I don't know how any of us can do this. Let's think...

As ever,

Pat

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Hey all...

Hi Capt. Hornblower,

You saidTom and Mac--I am thinking that now we have to 'verify' themessenger as well as his message. I am not sure how that canbe done but I think it is essential.

Not sure what you are speaking of here, could you elaborate?

Thanks,Amanda

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everaftergirl,

I agree with you. I don't understand who Captn. Hornblower means by"messenger". Is it Father Malachi Martin or Brian Doran? It isn't clearto me either.

I've ordered Brian's tapes and am anxiously waiting for them toarrive.

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Hi Hilda,

How much are the tapes please?

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everaftergirl and all,

Check out Brian Doran's website: www.mmgm.org

There is a link to Borders there where tapes can be ordered. Cost is$19.95 + s&h.

Three cassettes are included for "Malachi Martin: God's Messenger".

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posted 01 January 2001 08:05 AM

Hi, all:

Sorry--didn't mean to be so cryptic. The messenger is Father Malachi.I was thinking how easy it is, now that Fr. has passed, to smear hisreputation and sew the seeds of doubt. He is not here to 'answer' thecharges. The Pope and the prelates who agreed to his laicized statusare also all gone. He cannot refute the charges and I don't know whoelse can...

I suspect that these attacks will continue and most likely escalate asthe controversy about, say, the Third Secret heats up.

Fr. Malachi appears to be the one voice of truth and I assume that thedark forces are still aligned against him and all that he represented.

They may well begin attacking the messenger--Father Malachi--in thehope of diminishing the message he brought.



I just kind of wish there was a way to stop that from happening....

As ever,

Pat

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Pat, when you listen to MMGM, you will see all this is nothing new. (I'llbe posting the 3rd secret related stuff later today in the other thread).

I brought up a couple of items from MMGM on the old board.

When Fr Malachi left the Jesuits, even before he went back to Irelandto live with his sister, the Jesuit machinery had already gotten thereand spread disinformation on Fr Malachi (back in the 60's). They saidhe had a breakdown, or some other type of mental illness. They cameafter him here in America as well.

I spoke with Fr Fiore on the phone one day, and discussed the attackson Fr Malachi and how to defend against them (and I was trying toverify some lies as well). He said Fr Malachi didn't bother trying todefend himself (though Fr Fiore did defend Fr Malachi). It's allexplained on MMGM.

Fr Fiore does vouch for (he saw the papers, I believe) proving FrMalachi was a valid priest. Not an Israeli spy, or KGB, or etc., etc.

This is a tape series you will want to get. These were Fr Malachi'sfriends, and those who knew him very well. (Anne put me on to thisseries back in August, thanks Anne!)

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Capt H,

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought you meant Father Malachi.

One would hope that the Church was above these petty intrigues andjealousies, but it is not.

My first and only trip to Rome was in the fall of 1977. I was studyingart history at the time and made a special point of approaching St.Peter's from the center of the courtyard. I'd seen it from variousangles in pictures and wanted the effect of coming to the center front.Walking slowly the building was just another building. At one moment,bam, it turned into solid mass ofsomething so powerful I had to stop.

Inside it was quietly peaceful. This was around 4 PM on a weekdayand there were few people around. I was glad I was alone and notwith any tour group.

I didn't have the feeling of anything sinister then. That is what bothers



me about what is happening behind the scenes. The Third Secret isonly a tiny part of it.

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posted 02 January 2001 09:31 PM

I am closing up this topic and moving it to"Life and Times of...

Please do not think I am or was smearing Fathers name. I was onlypassing on information from a source that is considered "reliable" inthe mainstream church and attempting to explain some innerworkings and beliefs for non-Catholics. Halfway down regarding EWTN

After undergoing a stressfull time with the "Modernization" of a localchurch building (ie: my old parish )that reopened this Christmas day(after half the families left) I can let you know I am very close to the"far right" myself.

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