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Episode278:PetHealthandNaturalRemedies

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Child:WelcometomyMommy’spodcast.

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Katie:Helloandwelcometothe"WellnessMama"podcast.I’mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndI'mheretodaywithDr.RobFranklinwhoisaveterinarianwithadvancedtraininginveterinaryinternalmedicine.HehasledanddevelopedsuccessfulintensivecareunitsinFlorida,Australia,andTexas,andhaslecturedlocallyandinternationallyonequineinternalmedicine.He'spublishedpeer-reviewedjournalarticlesandwrittenseveraltextbookchaptersonthetopic.Andonthispodcast,wealwaystalkaboutsomeaspectofhealth.Andtodaywearegoingtogodeeponpethealthandforthefurrymembersofourfamily.SoDr.Rob,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.

Dr.Rob:Well,thanks,Katie.Mypleasure.

Katie:Ithinkthisissuchanimportanttopicbecausemanyofushavepetsthatreallytrulyarepartsofourfamily.Yet,Ifeellikethereisnotalotofgoodinfooutthereaboutpethealth.There'sendlesswebsiteswhenitcomestoalltheaspectsofhumanhealth,butit'shardtoreallyfindgoodinformationabouthowweshouldbetakingcareofourpetsoptimally.Sotojumpin,I'dloveitifyoucouldjustkindofgiveusaprimerofsomecommonmisconceptionsorthingswegetwronginmodernsocietywhenitcomestotakingcareofourpets.


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Dr.Rob:Yeah,andit'sabigquestion.Likeyousay,there'sapaucityofinformationoutthere.Andtheinformationthatpeopledoaccess,youknow,justlikeeverythingfromDr.Google,it'shardtoknow,youknow,thosevoicestotrust.Andso,Ithink,youknow,thankfullypeoplehaveaveterinarianifthey'vegotdogsandcat.Andobviously,thatisagreatplaceasfarasstartingtofindgoodtrustedinformationisgoingtoalicensedveterinarianforthat.

Youknow,intermsofhealthandwhatweseewithdogsandcatsinthe21stCentury,really,theproblemsthatweencounterarenotthatdifferentthantheproblemsthatweexperiencewiththeirownhealth.Andthatisthatdogsandcatsarenowlivingamodern,domesticatedlifestylethatisjustsoforeigntothewaythey'veevolvedorfromwherethey'veevolved.So,youknow,wheredietandexercisetendtobereallybigforhumanhealth,actuallydietandexerciseareverybigforpethealthaswell.Therearealotofpetsthatarekeptinurbanenvironmentsand,youknow,inapartmentsandtheydon'tgettotogetalltheexercisetheyneed.Youknow,they'rebeingfedpackagediets,whicharealongwayfromwherethey'vestarted.

Andthentheotherthingthatisabigproblemwithpeopleisjustouremotionalhealthandwell-being.AndIknowthatyouhavefocusedonthatbeforeandthat'ssomethingthatwealwaysthinkaboutisourownemotionalwell-being.Butactually,alotoftimesweseedogsandcatsthatcomeinformedicalissues.Andalotoftimesthey'rebehavioralandtheyreallystemfromalackofsocialwell-being.Theseareemotionalcritters.Youknow,dogstendtobepackanimals.Catsdotendtobeloners.Buttheyallhave,youknow,thissocialinteractionthattheyrequireandwhenevertheydon'tgetsufficientlevelsofthat,itaffectstheirhealth.So,youknow,Ithinkthatprobablythebigthreethingsthatpeopledealwith,dietandexerciseandsocialwell-being,emotionalwell-being,Ithinkthoseprobablyaremirroredinourpetslivesaswell.Sothosearebigissuesforus.

Katie:Andyeah,thoseareperfect,startingplacestospringboardintoalotofthequestionsIhadforyoutoday.ButIlovethatyoubroughtupthesocialinteractionsidebecauseyou'reright,I'vetalkedaboutthatalotwhenitcomestohumanhealthandthatmakescompletesense,thatdogs,especiallyaspackanimals,wouldneedthat.Doesthatmeanthatdogsarebetterifthere'smorethanonedoginahouseorcantheygetthatfulfilledthroughhumaninteraction,aslongasit'sdoneintentionally?

Dr.Rob:Theycanbutthey,youknow,ineverypack,there'sanalphaandthoseofuswhohavewatchedsaySirMillan,youknow,in"TheDogWhisperer,"weknowthatthere'sanalphainthere.Andalotoftimesthealphaisus,right?Soyes,companionanimalshelpbut,forexample,inmyfamilywe'vegottwoweeniedogs.Andoneofthemisalittlechillydog.HeisthesubmissiveonesohereportstoWoody,theolderone,andWoodyreportstome.Sothere'sdefinitely...whenWoodydoesn'tgetmyinteractionasthealphayouknow,he'swantingthat.He'swantingtheleader.Where'sthepackleader?SoIthinkitcanhelpforChilly.Youknow,hegetsitallfromWoody.But,youknow,they'vegottohavethathierarchyandwhenyou'rethealpha,they'rewantingyoutobethere.Now,sometimesmistakenly,peopleallowthedogtobethealphaandthatcreatesalotofproblems,youknow,withaggressionandbehavioralissuesthatcanbeverydifficulttogetoveruntilthathierarchyisre-established.


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Katie:Thatmakessense.AnotherthingI'veheardthatIwouldloveverificationfromyouifit'strueisthatthere'sactuallybenefits...Iknowwe'regonnatalkaboutpethealthandguthealth,especially.ButI'veheardthatthere'sactuallyguthealthbenefitsforhumansofhavingpetsinthehouse,especiallydogs,largelybecausethey'reinsideandoutsideandbringinteractionwithotherspeciesofbacteria.Infact,I'veseenstudiesthatwhenthere'shouseholdswithdogs,there'sactuallyalowerincidenceofallergiesinchildreninthosehomes.Haveyouseenanyofthatresearchoristhatsomethingthatyouwouldbelievetobetrueaswell?

Dr.Rob:Yes,andthattopic,thebreadthofthehealthbenefitsthatwegetfromcompanionanimals,isamazing.Soyoumentionedacoupleandwegetadiversemicroflora,whicharethehealthymicrobesthatliveonourbodyandinourbody.Wedogetadiversemicroflorawhenweliveinconjunctionwithotheranimalsandsoyou'rerightthere.Andthen,youknow,certainly,withtheallergything,youknow,themorethatourkidsaresortofexposed,youknow,andit'sbeeninasterileenvironmentwhereyoureallygettrouble.

Youcangettroublewithyourmicroflora.Youcangettroublewithyourallergieswhenyou'rejustoperatinginabubble.So,youknow,thebodyisdesignedtolearnhowtointeractwithvariousallergensandtorealizethat,someoftheseare...needtocreateasignificantresponseandsomeoftheseneed...theirresponseneedstobeinsignificant.Butwheneveryouexpose,youknow,kidstoalotofdifferentthings,thenthatallowstheirbodiestoreactappropriately.

Now,theotherthingthatisjust...Well,there'sseveralmoreitemsthatareextremelybeneficialwithhavingpetsinthehousehold.Andthosecanvaryfromdealingwithanxietyanddepression.Therearesomegreat,greatstudiesthatshowthatpeoplethatownpetsarealotmoreresilient.Youknow,thepetbecomesacopingmechanismforpeople.And,youknow,thatthey'realwayshappyandwillingtobeourfriendsnomatterhowbadourdaywasandhowperhapsneglectfulweweretothem.Eventhatmorning,thatafternoonthey'rewantingtobeyourbuddyagain.

Andthathastremendousemotionalbenefit.Butthere'salsorealphysiologichealthbenefitsthatareconveyedbybeingapetownerAndweseealotofpeoplethatarerecoveringfromchronicdisease,dealingwithchronicdisease.Theymayhavehypertension.There'sriskfactorswithdevelopingheartdiseasetheygodownwheneveryou'vegotapet.Sopetownershiphaslotsofemotionalandphysiologicalbenefitsforpeople.

Katie:That'sawesome.Yeah,and,ofcourse,wealljustloveourpetsandenjoythemtoo,whichissocialinteractionandconnectionforus,whichisalsobeneficial.Youmentioneddietalsobeingareallybigfactorforpets.Anditmakessensethatthatcorrelationistherebecausewe'veallreadandheardhowourmoderndietsarenotnecessarilyhowhumansweremeanttoeat.AndIhavetobelieveprobablydogsweren'tmeanttolivein,youknow,alittlesquareboxofahouseandeatamonodiet,thesamethingoverandoverfortheirwholelives.Butgodeeperonthat.Like,fromallofyourresearchandtheworkthatyou'vedone,whatdoesanoptimalfoodscenariolooklikefordogs?


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Dr.Rob:Well,andwe'llsayoptimal,andwe'llhavetoalsosortofusethewordpracticalbecauseoptimalisn'trealistic.So,let'sjusttalkaboutthediversepartofadog'sdiet,youknow,severalhundredyearsago,1,000yearsago,asfarbackasyoucaretogo.Youknow,dogs,evenbeforetheybecamedomesticated,theywereforagers,right?Andsothey'regonnatakeadvantageofeatingdeadanimals.They'regonnatakeadvantageofcapturingsmallprey,huntinginapack,andcapturinglargerprey.Soallthatdiversity,youknow,andastheyfeedasapack,sometimesthey'regoingtoget,youknow,bestuckonalegandgetting,youknow,boneandligamentandmuscle.Andsometimesthey'regoingtohavesomeoftheabdominalorgansandstufflikethat.Sothey'reeatingdifferentthingsallthetime.

Andevenjusteatingawholepreysosaytheycaughtasquirrelorsomething.Youknow,they'regettingaverydiversedietbyeatingthatwholeanimalbecausetheydon'tscrimponanyofit.Theyeatthewholething.Andso,youknow,witheatingthebraintissuehasgotreallyhighomegafattyacidcontent.WeallknowthatandImean,it'skindofgrosstothinkaboutit.Bu,tImean,ifyouthinktheyaregettingareallygooddoseofthat.Whentheyeattheintestinesofaprey,they'regettingahugeamountofaprobiotic.They'renaturallygettingthatprobioticsource.They'regettingtheenzymesfromthepancreas.They'regettingthebilesaltsfromtheliver.Youknow,sotheygetallthesemineralsandtheseelementsthatwetrytorecreate.Andthat'swhereIthinkthatwegetintoabitoftroubleisthatwe'retryingtotakediversityandwe'retryingtoputitintoakibbleoracan.Andit'sjustreallyhardtodo.

Now,wehavedevelopedsomebetterdiets,andIthinkpeopletrytodo,youknow,thebesttheycan.Imean,somepeoplegetreallyradicalandgoontheserawdietsforthemselvesandalsofortheirdogs,whichisgreat,butthat'snotasilverbulleteither.Thatgetshardtoprovidethatdiversity,youknow.Ifyoujustgoandbuyrawboneandmeatthat'snotjustwhatthedogeats.Imean,ifyouthinkaboutit,theyneed,youknow,allthoseorgansand,youknow,themicrobesandtheenzymesandeverythingthatthey'renotgonnagetoutofjusteatingboneandmeat.So,youknow,youcangofromtheextremeofalow-qualitykibbletothe,youknow,extremeofpeopletryingtofeedarawdiet.Neitheronedoesagreatjob.

Sotheanswerprobablyliesinthemiddleasfaraswhat'soptimalandwhat'spracticalis,youknow,inthe21stCentury,wehavetohaveapackageddiet.Youknow,peoplejust,they'vegottofeedtheirdogoneortwotimesaday.And,youknow,we'reallbusyleadingourlivesandtryingto,youknow,cookorprepareorgooutandhuntsomethingforyourdog,thathardlyhappens.Andgranted,therearepeoplethatspendextremeamountsoftimedoingthatandthat'sgreat.Atipofthehattothem.Butlet'sfaceit,mostofusdon'thavethetime.Weneedtoreachforsomethingelse.

AndIthinkthatthestartingpointforpeopletorealizeisthattheselow-qualityfoods,thesehighlyprocessedfoods,thatwefedinthepastandcontinuetofeedbecausetheytendtobeaffordable,andtheyputalotofthesortofsexywordsonthepackagingthatmakeusthinkthatwe'redoingthebestwecan,thattheseareactuallyabigproblemforourdogs.Andtheyleadtoalotofthehealthissuesthatwedealwithwhenwe'retreatingthesesmallanimalpatients.

Katie:Gotit.Youdon'thavetonamebrandsifyouwant,butarethereanyparticulartypesoffoodthatyouwouldsayarebetterthantherestorthingsthatpeoplecanlookforonlabels?AndIknowwe'lltalkabout


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supplementationandhowtogetmoreoptimalinaminute,butwhatshouldwelookforaspetownerswhenwe'retryingtopickafood?

Dr.Rob:Greatquestion.So,youknow,whatwe'relookingforincommercialdietsweneedtobethinkingaboutthesamethingswheneverwearegoinginandbuyingfoodforourselves.Weneedtobelookingatwholefoods.Weneedtobelookingforalimitednumberofingredients.Ithinkthosearereallygreatplacestostart.

Whenwedealwithalotoftheprocessedfoodsandalotofthemealsandwhereyou'vejusttakensomethingandyou'vebasicallyprocesseditandgotthebestoutofitandthenyouhavewhat'sleftover,that'swherealotofourpetfoodhasbeengeneratedfrom.Sowewanttoavoidthosetypesofthings.Ilike,youknow,asalmonandpeaproteinis...thereareseveraldietsthatutilizethat.Yougetalotoffattyacidsfromthesalmon.Thepeaproteinstendtobegoodplant-basedproteinsthatdogsdowellonaswell.

AlotofourdietsareveryinflammatorybecausetheyhavealotoftheOmega-9sinthem.Andsotheomegathree,sixandninerequiresanaturalbalancetobeanti-inflammatoryversusbeingpro-inflammatory.AndsoifwegetthatOmegaleveloffofitsnormalratioofhavingmoreanti-inflammatorythanpro-inflammatory,thenwebasicallyarewalkingaroundwithahighlyinflamedanimalandpeoplearethesameway.Andyougetalotofthatfromyourcerealgrains.YougetalotoftheOmega-6sand9sthattendtobemorepro-inflammatory.AndweneedthosehealthyOmega-3dosesthatcancomefromthingslikeflaxandsalmontokeepourinflammationundercontrol.

SothosearekeytenantsthatIaskmyclientstolookatwheneverthey'rebuyingtheirfood.Andrealizethat,youknow,dogfoodcompaniesareouttheretoselldogfood,right?Sothey'regonnadoasmuchastheycantoputthingsonthelabelthataregoingtobeenticing.Youknow,they'regonnatrytotranslatethingsoverfromhowweshopasconsumersforowndietsintothedogthingand,youknow,they'regonnahavewhatwecalllabeldressingonthere.

AndsoIthinktheconsumerneedstobealittlebitcarefulwiththatbecausetheamountofthingstheycanputonthelabelcomparedtowhatactuallyhastobeintheproduct,that'sawidemargin.Andquitehonestly,peoplegetmisledwithalotofthelabelclaimsthatareonthere.Andso,youknow,youcanjustputatraceamountofsomethingthatwouldbeineffectiveatthatdoseintoadietandyousay,"Boom,thisalsocontains,youknow,glucosamine."Andeveryonesays,"Well,glucosamine'sgreatforjoints,sothatmustbeagreatproduct."

Well,Icautionpeopletothinkthatinadiet,inawell-balanceddiet,they'regoingtogetthingslikeextrajointsupplementorbonesupplementor,youknow,muscleorgut.They'rejustnotgoingtogetthosesupplementsintheirdiet.Soifyourdogactuallyneedsasupplement,itprobablyneedsasupplementthatisspecificallydesignedforthatandnotsomethingthat'sthrowninthereataveryminusculeamountandputonthelabelandwhereyoufeellike"Oh,yeah,I'mpayingalittlebitextraforthis,butI'mgettingthesupplementbuiltintoit."Itjustdoesn'tworkthatway.


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Katie:Gotit.Okay,solet'stalkaboutsomeofthescenarioswherepetsmightneedsupplements.AndIknowthatyouwereinvolvedwithandworkwithacompanythathastheprobioticthatIgivetomydog.Let'sstartwithprobiotics.Isthissomethingthatdogsandcatskindofuniversallyneedifthey'relivinginamodernenvironmentbecauseyoumentionedinthewild,theywouldbeeatingfoodsourcesthatnaturallyhavethat.Andtheyprobablyaren'thuntingdownoreatingdeadanimalsquitesomuchifthey'relivinginourhouses.Soisthatauniversalneedamonghousepets?

Dr.Rob:Itis,verysimply.Itisforpeopleandforpetsonamoderndiet.Wejustdon'tgetthatdiversityandthatmicroflorathatweneedwheneverwe'reeatingmodernpreparedmeals.Whether,youknow,you'refeedingthecanorcanfoodorkibblefood,it'sthosedogshavetohavethosehealthymicrobes.,numberonejusttokeeptheirgutincheck,butnumbertwotohelpthemdigestthefoodthattheyhaveandtoresistinfection.Andthen,youknow,thethirdthingisthattheseprobioticsandprebioticsaswellprovideatremendoussupporttotheimmunesystem.

Mostpeopledon'trealizethatyourgutisthekeytoyouroverallbodyhealth.Itreallystartswithhavingahealthygut.Andsoourimmunesystemis...Youknow,wheneveryonethinksabouttheirimmunesystem,theythinkaboutlymphnodes.Theythinkaboutlymphocytesandyourotherwhitebloodcellsthatcleanupinfectionandmakeantibodiesanddoallthat.Andyouthinkallthatsortofhappensinsideyourbody,youknow,whetheritbeyourspleen,yourlymphnode,yourbonemarrow.

Buttheydon'trealizethat70%ofyouractualimmunesystemisinyourgut.Andthereasonthat,youknow,weweredesignedthatwayissothatwecan...basicallyanythingthatwe'reeatingordrinking,yourbodyneedstomountanimmuneresponse.Ifit'ssomethingthat'sbadforus,itneedstoimmediatelypickuponthatandtrytodowhateveritcantostopthatbadthingfromhurtingus.Andifit'ssomethinggood,thenitneedstoreacttothatinapositivewaythatallowsthatmicrobetogoaheadandliveinsideofusoronourskininasynergisticeffect.

So,youknow,havingthatimmunehealth,havingthatneedforimproveddigestion,andjustrealizingthateverything,mostofourbody'shealthstartsinthegut,youknow,it'sjustthere'snodoubttomethatprobioticsshouldbepartofamoderndiet.Youknow,Itakethemeveryday.Ifeedthem,youknow,tomypetseveryday.It'samazinghowfewercommoncolds.Youknow,everyonethinks,"Well,you'rejusttryingtopreventGIupset."Well,yeah,thattoo.Butifyouwannahavereally,youknow,greatGIhealthand,youknow,probioticsworkwonderful.Buttheyalsohelpyourimmunesystemindealingwithviralinfectionsandwithdealingwithallergens.Sothere'ssomuchthatisconveyedthroughtheuseofprobioticsthatit'ssuchaneasythingtorecommendforpets.

Katie:Gotit.Arethereanyothersupplementsthatarekindofuniversaloristhatthemainoneandthenbeyondthat,itwouldbeyouneedtoworkwiththevettoseeifyourpetneedsaspecificthing?

Dr.Rob:Well,Ithink,youknow,therearesomeothercommonareasthatweseeproblemsinoursmallanimalcompanionanimals.AndIthinkprobioticsareone.Ithinktheotherthingthatmostofthetimetheyneedhelpwithareenzymes.Enzymesare,youknow,abigdealonthehumansideaswell.Peoplerealizethat,


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youknow,anenzymeisthethingthathelpsusbreakdownfood,whetherthatbeprotein,befat,becarbohydrate.Anyofthosethingsrequireanenzymetobreakitdownsothatourbodycanabsorbit.And,youknow,thankfullywe'vegotapancreasandwe'vegotaliverthathelpsusdothat.

But,youknow,weareloadingupourdietsandsometimeswe'renotabletoextractallthenutrientsoutofitbecause,again,youknow,we'refeedingtheseprocessedfoodsandtheyneedbasicallyalittleextrahelptohelpunlockallthosenutrients.SoIthinkthatourpancreasandourliver,weseealotofinflammationinthepancreas,alotofinflammationintheliverindogs,incats.And,youknow,Ithinkthatisjustbecausethey'reunderchronicstresstotrytodigestthesepetfoodsthatwe'regivingthem.SoIthinkthatenzymesisdefinitelyagoodthingtoprovideapetdailyjusttohelpthemgetthemostoutoftheirfood.

Andthenanotherverycommonthingthatweseeintheveterinaryclinicisdogscomingin,andtosomeextentcats,butmoreoftendogscominginwitharthritis.AswejusttalkedaboutjustsortoftryingtogetcontrolofinflammationinadogsotryingtogetthoseOmegafattyacidsintherightsortofratio,youknow,anytimeyou'rewalkingaroundwithinflammation,youknow,abigplacethatshowsupinyourjoints.Andweseethesedogsarethankfullylivinglonger.Andthat'sgreat.Andthat'sduetomodernmedicineandjustourabilitytodetectdiseaseearlierandpreventdiseaseandinfection.Youknow,thatpart'swonderful,butthesedogsare,youknow,intheirlatteryearsoftheirlife.Theirqualityoflifetypicallydeterioratesbecausetheirjointshurt.

So,youknow,havingajointsupplementcanbeareallyimportantthingforespeciallyourseniordogsbutalsoouractivedogs.Andthoseofusthat,youknow,liketogooutandrunandmaintainahealthylifestyle,youknow,duringouryoungeryears,youknow,werealizethatalotof...sothatwedon'tgetarthritisisplayingpreventionandtryingtokeepalowinflammatorydietandtryingtotakeinthosehealthybuildingblocksforthejointsthroughajointsupplement.Youknow,doingthatbeforearthritisaswego,youknow,lateron.

Soanotherbigissuethatweseewithourdogsespecially,sometimescats,isthedevelopmentofarthritis.Soqualityoflifeinthesepets,they'regettingolder,youknow,andalotofourdogsarelivinglongerbecauseofadvancementsinmodernmedicine.We'redetectingdiseaseearlier.We'repreventingdiseasefromoccurring.Butalotoftimestheirqualityoflifegoesdownbecausetheirjointsgetstiffandtheydeveloparthritis.Andso,youknow,Ithinkthatthere'scertainlyroomtogoinandsupplementboththedogthatisactively,youknow,dealingwitharthritisandalsowithactivedogs,andespeciallylargebreeddogs,thatarepronetoarthritisdevelopingarthritislateronintheirlife.

So,justlike,youknow,thoseofusthatrunandexerciseyouknow,wetrytokeepaverynon-inflammatorydiet.Wealsotake,youknow,thingslikeglucosamineandthejointsupplementsandsuchearlyoninourlifetopreventarthritis.Wecandothesamethingwithouractivedogs.And,youknow,obviously,wecansupplementthemoncethat'soccurred,butthemoreyoucan,youknow,stopinflammationandprovidethosebuildingblocksforthejointsandjointfluid,thebetteroffyou'regonnabeandthebetteryourdog'sgonnabe.Weallhatetoseethosestiffolderdogs.Andquitehonestly,that'sjustoneofthemostcommonthingsthatcomeintothevetclinicisthesedogsthat,youknow,havebadarthritis.


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Anothergoodwaytomanagethatisalsotokeepthematahealthyweight.Soalotofourdogsgetobese,especiallyourbigbreeddogs,ourbiglabsandgoldenretrieversandstuff.Theygetoverfed,under-exercised,andtheygetextremelyobese.Andobesityiscreatingalotofinflammationintheirbodies.Andthenit'sjust,youknow,fromaphysicalstandpointit'sharderontheirjointsaswell.SoIthinkthegutandthejointsarethebiggestthingsthatIthinkthatpeopleneedtobethinkingaboutsupplementing.

Katie:Okay.Great.Andanotherquestion,especiallyIguessitappliesmoretodogsunlessthere'sacorollarywithcatsaswell.I'veheardkindofmixedadviceonwhatkindofthingsweshouldletdogsgnawandchewonbothforsafety,like,I'veheardsomepeoplerawbonesaresaferbecausethey'renotgonnachiporsomepeoplesayyoushouldn'tgivecertainbonestodogs.Whataresomegoodguidelinesaroundthat?Andaretherespecificthingsthatareactuallybeneficialthatprovidesomesourceofnutrientsthatwecouldbelettingthemchewon?

Dr.Rob:Yeah,goodquestion.Goodquestion.Youknow,honestly,wedon'tseethatmanyproblemsinthevetclinicintermsof,youknow,dealingwithintestinalperforationsoranythingfromdogseatingbones.Youknow,they'renaturallydesignedtoeatbones.Ithinkrawbonestendtobegood,youknow,foralotofreasonsthatyoumentioned.They'regoingto...Youknow,that'sgoingtokeeptheirteethclean.It'sgoingto,youknow,keepthemactiveandinterestedinsomething.It'salsogoingtoprovidethemwithsomemacronutrients,somemineralcontent,thattheymaynotbegettingelsewhere.ButIthinksomeofthebettersyntheticthingsthatarejustthereforthemtopassthetime,thosearefinetoo.Again,itsomeofitssocialwell-beingandjustkeepingtheminterestedmaybewhilewe'reoutatworkordoingotherthingsandthey'vegotsomethingtoplaywithordealwith.That'simportant.

There'salsobeensomeadvancementswithsomeofthesechewsthathelpwithdentalhealth.Anddentalhealthis,again,anotheroneofthesejustdayinanddayoutwhenwelookatthesepetsandtheyjusthave...especiallythesmallerbreeddogsthatareon,youknow,littletinykibblesorcannedfood,theirmouthsjustarereally,reallybad.Theygetterriblegingivitis.Theirteethstarttorotout.It'sanightmare.Peoplenormallynoticeitbecausetheirbreathstinks.Andasveterinarians,welookinthereandwejustseeadvanceddentaldiseaseonecaseafteranother.

SoIthinkthatusingchewscanbehelpfulinthat.WhereIwassortofgoingwiththat,therearesomethatarespecificallydesignedtohelpwithoralhealthandIthinkthatthoseshouldbeconsidered.There'sevensome,youknow,thattrulyhavelikeamedicinalvaluetothemaswell.There'saproductcalledOraVetthat'souttherethat'smadebythepeoplethatmakeFrontlineandthingslikethat.Butit'sextremelybeneficialinkeepingthoseteethandgumshealthyandsoIthinkpeopleshouldconsiderthat.

Theyalsoneedtoconsiderthefactthatdogsneedanannualdentaljustthesamewaythatweneedtogoseethedentisteveryyear.Itisimportantfortheiroralhealthtogetthoseteethcleanedup,youknow,assessthegumsandmakesurethey'refine,detectfracturesandabscessesandthingslikethatthatwecandowhenwedoadentalonthesedogs.Butdentalhealthisahugedeal.AndIthinkthatchewscanhelpsupportthatintervalbetweentheirannualcleaningandkeeptheirbreathniceandfresh,whichmakesthemapopularpetathome,butitalsomakesthemahealthypet.


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Katie:ShouldwebebrushingtheirteethbecauseI'veseenalotofproductsoutthereforbrushingbothdogs'andcats'teeth.Isthat...Iguessmythought'salwaysbeenthat'snotsomethingthatwouldhavenaturallyhappenedintheirnormalenvironment,butIalsoknowthey'renotlivingintheirnormalenvironment.Soisthatsomethingweneedtoworryabout?

Dr.Rob:Well,Ithinkitis.Youknow,thatiscertainlyoneoftheavenuesthatwerecommendforpeopletocareforthat.Youknow,therearesomethingsyoucanputinthewaterthathelpsortof,youknow,regulatetheoralhealth.Thatworkstoacertaindegree.Itwouldbemoreakintousrinsingourmouthoutwithmouthwash.But,youeitherneedtobebrushingthemortheyneedtobefedoneoftheseoralchewsthataredesignedfordentalhealth.They'rebothgonnadoessentiallythesamethingbutifyou'renotdoingoneofthosetwothings,thenyou'redefinitelyneglectingtheteethandgumsofyourdog.

Andcatscanget,youknow,issuesaswell.Andquitehonestly,itcanbeeasierjusttobrushacat'steeththantotrytogiveitaspecificchewforitsdentalhealth.Butthewaytheseanimalsevolved,youknow,partofeatingthoselessinterestingpartsoftheanimal,youknow,thetougherparts,isthattheyessentiallygottheirteethcleanedinthatprocess.Youknow,thatgristle,thebone,everythinglikethatjustreallyworkstoscrubthoseteeth.Andsothey'renotgettingthatinthismodernenvironmentsowedohavetodosomething.

Katie:ThatmakessenseandI'veheardthatonthehumancorrelationaswellishowweusedtohavetoeatobviouslyamuchmorevariednutrientdietbyeatingthewholeanimalsoreatingwhateverwasavailableatthetime.Butalsowedidn'thavetheabilitytosoftcookeverythingthroughouthumanhistory.Sowehadtoactuallygnawandchew,whichdevelopsthejawandthemaxilla.Andallofthesethings,whichI'veheardnowfunctionaldentistsay,that'soneofthereasonswe'reseeingsomanyproblemsinkidsisA,notenoughfat-solublevitaminsandB,we'renotusingourjawstoourfullestextentsothey'renotdevelopingcorrectly.Andsoitmakessense.Like,therewasprobablyaveryimportantreasonthatanimalshadtoreallygnawandchewonthings.Andjustlikeinourhumandiets,everything'sessentiallybabyfood,it'ssosoft.We'vekindofdonethesamethingwithourpets.

Dr.Rob:Exactly.And,youknow,Iwasjustgonnaparlaythatintoonefinalthingisdon'tfeedthemoffthetable.Youknow,those,allthatsoft,mushy,salty,flavorfulfoodthatgoesonourplatesisnotgoodforthesedogs.Ifthere'sanythingthatyouwannadothat'sjusteasytohelpyourdog,numberoneisdon'tfeedittablescraps.Itcausesintestinalproblems,itcausesdentalproblems,anditcausesobesity.Andsothat'saneasythingtoavoid.Andwealwaysrecommendpeoplejustavoiddoingthat.

Katie:Thatbringsupagreatquestion.Arethereanyfoodsthatareokaytogivetoourpets?Forinstance,likeifI'mmaking,youknow,grass-fedmeatfordinnerandItrimit,canIgiverawmeattoapet?Aretherethingsthatareokayorifso,whatarethoseguidelines?

Dr.Rob:Yes,andsometimes,youknow,we'llprescribeahome-cookeddietforcertain...Sometimeswe'redoingafoodtrialandwe'retryingtolookforthingsthatmaybesettingthedog'sallergysystemsofforwemaybetryingtorestricttoreally,reallybasicfoodbecauseyourpethadadigestiveupset.ButIwouldsaythat,youknow,whilewetalkaboutthenaturaldiversitythattheseanimalsgrewuponorevolvedthrough,


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wedonothavetheabilitytorecreatethatdiversity.Andsowhenwethink,"Well,youknow,I'mcookinganice,grass-fedpieceofmeathere.It'sallorganic.Youknow,everythinglooksgood,I'lljustsharethatwithmydog,"that'snotapartofthatdog'snormaldiet,moderndiet.SoIwouldratherthatdogsstayonahigh-qualitykibbleandnotget,youknow,littlepiecesofhealthythingsbecauseit'sjustnottrulydiverseandtheirsystems,they'renotsetupinawaywherethey'vebeenscavengingand,youknow,they'vegotagutthat'sreadyforthosedifferentsortsofcurveballs,I'llcallthem.

Youknow,it'skindofwhenyougotothethirdworldandyougotravelorsomethinglikethat,youknow,thosepeoplethathavebeeneating...inthatenvironmentandeatingthatrealdiversething,theydon'thaveanyproblem,youknow,processingeven,youknow,thingsthatmakeusverysick.AdoginNorthAmerica,youknow,isinvariablylivingonaveryfocuseddiet.AndsoIliketokeepthat,youknow,consistent.Itsoundscounterintuitivewhenwetalkaboutdiversityisgreatinthewaythattheygrewup,andifwecouldjustrecreatethat,buttheproblemiswecan'trecreatethat.So,byrealizingourlimitations,wesay,"Well,let'snottrytothrowthemthesecurveballsbecauseitwill...theirbodiesjustaren'treadyforit."

Now,sometimesyourveterinarian'sgoingto,again,say,"Hey,Iwantyourdogtoeat,youknow,boiledchickenandrice."Andthat'sacommonthingthatwe'lldoafterthey've,youknow,hadadigestivedisturbance.We'retryingtokeepityouknow,simpleingredients,thingsthatareeasytodigest.Youknow,there'savarietyofdifferenthomerecipesthatwe'llprovidebutIwouldonlyseekthoseunderveterinaryguidanceandjust,youknow,trytobeconsistentinthefactthat,"I'mgonnakeepmydogbeingfedareallyhigh-qualitykibblediet.And,youknow,I'mgonnausetheprobioticsupplements.Andyouknow,that'swhatmydoggets."Ifyoudothatyou'rejustnotgoingtoseealotofproblemswithyourdog.Ifyouthrowthemcurveballsleft,rightandcenter,there'smorelikelytotipthingsoutoffavorandthey'regonnastarttodevelopsomeissuesorhavethechanceto.

Katie:Okay,cool.

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Katie:Anotherthingyoumentioned,inthebeginning,wasthemovementaspect.Andyou'reright.Ithinkalotofpetsspendalotoftimeindoorsduringthedayoreveninkennelsorcagesastheirownersareatwork.ButI'vealsoseenstudiesontheflipsideofthatofhowpetowners,ingeneral,tendtobemorehealthybecausetheydoneedtotaketheirdogsforawalkortheyarethere'sthingsthatcausethemtobemoreactive.Butwhatdoesgoodinteractionorgoodactionlevelsforpetslooklike?Iknowit'sobviouslyhardertotakeacatforawalk.Butspecificallywithdogs,howmuchactivitydotheyneed?Andhowcanwemakesurethey'regettingenoughofit?

Dr.Rob:Greatquestion.Ithinkthatthatreallygoesabitintobreed.Andsowhatisthatdogdesignedtodo?So,youknow,alotofourhuntingandsportingdogs,Imean,youknowthem.They'rejustsofullofenergy.So,youknow,anappropriatelevelofexerciseforthemisalotdifferentthan.youknow,yourlittleYorkieorwhatwe'llcalllapdogsandwheretheydon'trequireasmuchexercise.So,youknow,ifyou'reajoggerandyoutakealittleBichonFriseoutforafive-milejog,you'reprobablygonnabedoingmoreharmthangoodonthatsmalldog.Now,youknow,youhaveabordercollieoralabrador,youknow,it'scompletelyappropriate.

Sotheyhavetolookat,again,takethatveterinaryadviceandweapplythatandhelppeopleregulate,youknow,howmuchexerciseisappropriate.ButIthinkeverydoginanurbanenvironmentcanbenefitfromaslittleasawalkaroundtheblock.Imean,ifyou'vegotatraditional20to30-poundindoordogandyouliveinanurbanenvironment,thengettingthatdogoutforsomeexerciseisjustcrucial.Idon'tthinkyoucanoverdoitifyou'redoingleashwalkingorsomethinglikethat.Ifyouareabigrunnerandyoudon'thaveadogthatis,youknow,asportingdogoraherdingdogorsomesortofworkingdog,Ithinkyouprobablyneedtocheckwithyourvetandmakesureit'sappropriate,whateverdistancethatyou'retryingtorunwiththedogbecause,youknow,theycangetverysore,especiallyifthey'renotconditionedforit,buttheymayjustnotbebredforiteither.

Katie:Okay,good.That'sagoodbenchmark.Anotherquestionwhenitcomestopets.I'veseenariseofarticlesandjustdifferentthingsonlineofdifferentnaturalremediesthatcanbeusedonpets,whether...IthinkCBDisahugeonerightnow.Everybody'stalkingaboutgivingthattotheirpets.I'veseenpeopletalkaboutgivinglikedifferentherbsorothertypesofsupplementstotheirpets.AndI'mreallycurioustogetyourtakeonthis.Aretherethingsthatareingenerallikesafetogiveourpetsifthey'rehavingsomekindofanissueoristhatalwaysasituationwhereweneedtotakethemtoavet?


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Dr.Rob:Again,Ithinkthatthereare,youknow,thingsthatareeasytoassess,andyoucangivecertainthingstodogs.Andthensometimes,youknow,withveterinariansit'stypicallywhenwe'redealingwithaproblem,thenwe'regoingto,youknow,advisecertainchanges.Butlet'sfaceit,youknow,yougettogotothedoctoralotlesswheneveryou'remakingsensible,healthychangesinyourownlifeandIthinkthesamethingappliestodogs.

JustontheCBDthingwehaveprobablyaboutsixmonthsagocameoutwithaCBDchew,and,youknow,CBD,it's...andthere'ssomuchit'soutthereandpeoplejustdon'tknowwheretostart.It'shardtotellwhat'swhat,wherethequalityis.What'stheappropriatedose?What'stheappropriateform?Youknow,Imean,Ithinkeveryone'sjustsortofjumpingonthatbandwagon.Andwhereweseealotofbenefitinourproduct,whichistheRocketAnimalHealth,theCanineKushtoo,isthatweseethathelpingwiththesearthriticdogs.Again,wecombineitwithafewofthoseotheractivethingsthathelpprovide,youknow,sourcesofglucosamine,sourcesofchondroitinsulfate,sourcesofhyaluronicacid.

Andthenthere'sotheranti-inflammatories.Youknow,we'reallprettysavvytothingslikeBoswelliaandcurcumin.Andtherearecertainformsofthosethataremorebioavailable,betterabsorbed.Sowecombineourproductwiththatandthenaddinthewater-solubleorganicCBD.Andthatisbigonthesearthriticdogs,theonesthatneednutrient-naturalwaystoreduceinflammation,which,youknow,theBoswelliaandthecurcuminarereallygreatatdoing.Andthentheyneed,youknow,thebuildingblockstorepairtheirjoints.Andthentheyneedthepain-relievingaspectssotheydon'thavetotakenonsteroidalanti-inflammatorydrugseveryday.Theycanrelyonthenaturalpain-relievingeffectsofCBD.

Andsowesee,youknow,tremendousresultsfromthatproductaswellas,youknow,fromtheanxiety,people,youknow,talkaboutCBDuseand,youknow,relievinganxietyforpeople,andthat'sgreat.Butwhatwehavetorealize,again,inthoseurbanenvironments,isalotofourdogsareanxious.Imean,alotoftheproblemsthatweseeisthesedogsactingoutanddoingthingsthataresortoffrustratingtotheowners.They'redoingthatbecausethey'redealingwithtremendousseparationanxiety.AndsobeingabletoprovidethatCBDintheretomitigatethosesymptoms,aswellastryingtobemoreproactiveaboutgettingmoresocialexposuretotheanimal,areagreatway.

Soyes,therearethingsthatcangiveahealthbenefit,asfarasothersupplementsornaturalthings,thataregoingtohelpusandhelpourpets.I'dsayifthere'snotatrustedsourcethatyouhave,intermsofgettingsomeofthatstuff,Ithinkit'sworthaskingyourvet,"Hey,whatdoyouthinkabout,youknow,X,Y,Z?Isthisliabletohelpmypet?"AndIthink,youknow,themknowingthebreed,theage,themedicalissuesthatmayormaynotbethereandwhatyourintentiswiththeproduct,Ithinkthatthey'regoingtobeabletoguidethosespecificquestionsthatmaycomeupfromtimetotime.

Katie:Yeah,that'ssuperhelpful.AndIwillmakesurethatIknowthatyouguyshaveresourcesandalltheproductsthatyou'vementioned.I'llmakesurethosearelinkedintheshownotesatwellnessmama.fmsopeoplecanfindthem.Anyotherpartingadviceyouwannagivetopetownersorspecificproductrecommendationsyouwouldmake,soIcanincludethemintheshownotes?


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Dr.Rob:Youknow,again,Ithinkpeopleneedtojustthinkaboutthebigthree,youknow,diet,exercise,andsocialwell-beingandapplythosehealthylifestylechoicesthatyouguysarealwaystalkingaboutonyourshowthatpeoplearemakingfortheirfamiliesandforthemselvesandapplyingthattoyourpet.Theyrelyonusforallthosethings.AndIthinkthatifyou'remindfulofthoseyoucando,youknow,alotofgoodinprolongingtheirhealth,theirlife,andelevatingtheirhealthandminimizingthoseproblemslikearthritisthataffectqualityoflife.Andso,youknow,simplediet,youknow,usingwholefoods,usinglimitedingredients,tryingtobemindfulaboutthingslikeOmegaratios.AndIthink,youknow,providingsocial-wellbeingandprovidingsomelevelofexercisethat'sappropriatefortheageandthebreedandlifestyleofyourpetarejustreallykeytenementstohealth.

Don'tforgetyourannualvisittoyourveterinarianandmakingsurethat,youknow,you'recaringforthoseteeth,aswell.That'sthefirstpartofthedigestivetract.Andit's,youknow,diarrheaandstinkybreatharetwopartsofthedigestivetractthatcausecommoncomplaintsfromowners.Soagoodwaytodealwiththatisbeingproactive,gettingthoseteethcleanedatthevet,youknow,annually.Andthendoingthosethingstoo,youknow,withthehealthychewsandthingstotrytokeepthoseorbrushingtheteethtokeepthoseteethasfreeofdiseasesaspossibleinbetweenthosecleanings.Thosearereallyeasythingsforpeopletolatchontoandjusthavetremendoushealthbenefits.

Katie:Awesome.Andthenlastly,aswewrapup,IwouldloveforyoutojustspeakforamomentaboutFullBucketandtheworkthatyouguysdoingivingandhelpingpetsinneedaroundkindofaroundtheworldbecauseIknowyouguyshaveahugesocialimpacthereandthisissomethingthat'sreallyimportanttoyouguysandtoyourmission.

Dr.Rob:Oh,absolutely.Andit'salwaysafunpartofourbusinessthatwegettodoandwegettotalkaboutaswell.But,youknow,IthinkIhadtalkedaboutbooksthatwereadthatreallywerelife-changing.Youknow,formeitwas...Idon'tknowhowyourmomisbutmymom'salwaysforwardingmerandome-mailsandsometimessendingbooksandthingsandalotofthatstuff.Andquitehonestly,shemayormaynotlistentothis,butdoesn'tgetread.Andonetime,youknow,shedidsendmeabookthatBlakeMycoskiewrote,"StartSomethingThatMatters."And,ofcourse,he'stheTomShoefounder.Andthatwas,oh,adozenyearsago.AndthatwasreallyatthetimethatmypartnerandIwerestartingtocomeupwithsomeofthesenutritionalsupplements.

Anditjust,youknow,and12yearsago,youknow,havingasocialenterprisereallywasn't...peopledidn'tdoit.Imean,it'ssortoftablestakesnow.Everycompanythatyousee,ithassomesortofsocialcausethey'retryingtoembracejustbecausethat'swhattheconsumer,quitehonestly,demands.Butitwasreallyrefreshing,youknow,12yearsagotoreadthebookanddecide,"Hey,ifwe'regonnadosomething,ifwe'regonnamakeabusiness,andwhattheworlddoesn'tneedisanothersupplementbusiness.Youknow,whattheworldneedsisreallyqualityproductsthatdoleveragethatfor-profitbusinessintohelping,youknow,thosethatarelessfortunateinasustainablewaywherewe'renotjusttryingtoconstantlyshakethebushesandgetdonationsandstuff."Hey,everyonehasapurchasingpowerof$1andhowyouwannaapplythatdollar.Ithinkweallhaveasocialconscience,andwe'dalllikeforaportionofthatdollartogoandhelpthosethatdon'thavetheblessingsthatweallhavesoreadilyavailabletous.


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Sowhatwedidwiththatwaswesortofparlayedthisnutritioncompanyintoaone-for-onetypeofdealwhereforeveryproductwesell,weprovideonetoaworkinganimalinneed.Andsoworkinganimalsare,youknow,inatraditionalstandpoint,peoplethinkabout,youknow,there'sabout100millionworkinghorsesoutintheworld.Thosearehorses,donkeys,andmulesthatareworkingindevelopingcountries.Thesepeopledon'thave,youknow,atruck.They'reworkinginmountainouslandscapestryingtohaulcoffeeoffofahillor,youknow,firewoodtotheirhomesbecausetheydon'thaveanythingbutawoodburningstove.They'vegotto,youknow,bringpasture,gocutdownroadsidepastureandbringthattotheirmilkcow.Youknow,it'sjustthoseanimalsaretrulyabigpartofthemajorityoftheworldandthat'stheimpoverishedworldandwhoarethemajorityinourworld.

Andsowedosupportthose,bothwithanutritionalsupplementthat'sspecificallydesignedandmadeincountryandwealsoprovideourveterinaryresourcesaswellasweleadseveraltripsdowntoCentralAmericatoprovideveterinarycare,dentalcare,vaccinations,deworming.Welookatlamenessissues,lookatsaddlesores,andtrytodoalotofeducation.What'sreallycooliswegettoworkwithlocalveterinarianswhowe'vejustmadegreatfriendships.They'rejust,youknow,bothawealthofknowledgetous,andwearewealthandknowledgetothem.Andsoweloveworkingwiththem.That'saverysustainablewayforustocontributeintoalocalcommunitywherewecanhelptrainthelocalveterinarianswho'sgoingtobetherewhenwe'renot.

Sothat'sagreatwaybut,youknow,there'sworkingsmallanimalstoothatwesupportandalotoftheseare,youknow,thingslikedogsthatprovidesocial...Theygointohospitals.Theygointo...theyworkwith,youknow,warriorsthataredealingwithPTSD.They'redealingwithpeoplethatare,youknow,troubledwithdepressionorhavementalorcognitivedisabilities.

Andthesedogsarespeciallytrainedtogoinandprovidethisemotionalsupport.Andthesearetrulyworkinganimals.Imean,theseanimalsaremakingpeople'slivesbetter.Andwe'reveryproudtosupportthosetypeofworkinganimals.Andso,aswesupplementandgiveback,we'realwayssortoflookingtowardsthatworkinganimal,whetherthatbeasmallanimaloralargeanimal.Butthosearetheonesthatwesupport.Andthere'slotsofopportunitiestohelpanimalsoutintheworld.That'sjustthatparticularnichethatwe'vecontributedtoandwillcontinuetodoso.Andit's...wecouldn'tbeproudertodoit.

Katie:Ilovethat.AndthatwasanotherreasonIwassoexcitedtohaveyouonandtosharethattoday.LikeIsaid,Iuseyourproductswithmypets.AndIknowthatyouguysdosomuchgoodtohelppetsaroundtheworldandworkinganimals.AndI'mreallyappreciativethatyoutookyourtimetobeherewithustodayandshareyourexpertise.AndIthinkthiswillbereallyhelpfulforalotofpetowners.Sothankyou.

Dr.Rob:Youbet.Mypleasure.

Katie:Andasalways,thankstoyouforlisteningandforsharingyourmostvaluableassetofyourtimewithbothofustoday.We'resogratefulthatyoudid.AndIhopethatyouwilljoinmeagainonthenextepisodeofthe"WellnessMama"podcast.


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