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Emily u l i t z r

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE CITY OF ST. LOUISSTATE OF MISSOURI

PAUL GUZZARDOPLAINTIFF, Cause No. 0922-CC01036vs.

GRAND CENTER INC., t aleDEFENDANTS

DEPOSITION OF EMILY R PULITZERTAKEN BY PAUL GUZZARDO ESQON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFFJUNE 21, 2013

REPORTED BY KAREN M RUSSOCERTIFIED COURT REPORTER No. 628

CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTERREGISTERED PROFESSIONAL REPORTER

RUSSO REPORTING LLC645 BARSTOW PLACEST. LOUIS MISSOURI 63119314 346-0141

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Page 2IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS

STATE OF MISSOURI

PAUL GUZZARDOPLAINTIFF Cause No. 0922 CCOI036

vsGRAND CENTER INC. e t a l

DEFENDANTS

DEPOSITION OF EMILY R PULITZER produced swornand examined on June 21 2013 a t the off ices of TheGrand Center Inc 3526 Washington Ave. 2nd Floor S tLouis Missouri 63015 before Karen M Russo Cer t i f i edShorthand Reporter with in and fo r the Sta te of Missouriin a ce r ta in cause now pending in the Ci r cu i t Court o fthe City o f S t Louis Sta te of Missouri between PAULGUZZARDO PLAINTIFF vs GRAND CENTER INC. e t a lDEFENDANTS



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APPEARANCESOR TH PLAINTIFF:Attorney a t LawPaul Guzzardo Esq.1703 MadisonP.O. Box 29Macomb I l l l i no i s 61455309.259.9859OR TH DEFENDANTS:St inson Morrison Hecker LLP icely Lubben Esq.7700 Forsyth Blvd.Sui t e 1100S t Louis Missour i 63105314.259.4551OR TH DEPONENT:Bryan Cave LLPEric D Mart in Esq.One Metropol i tan Square211 North BroadwaySui te 3600S t Louis Missour i 63102 2750314.259.2324ALSO PRESENT:Lou Stemmler e r t i f i ed Legal Video Spec i a l i s t


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i s n o t w a i v e d .

S T P U L A T IO N

MR STEMMLER We are on th e record T h i s

Pu l i t z e r in t h e c a u s e of P a u l G uz z a r do P l a i n t i f f vs

t s a p p r o x i m a t e l y

I m the p l a i n t i f f andR GUZZARDO

Today i s June 21 2013.

c o u n s e l fo r th e p l a i n t i f f P a u l G uz z a r do.

t h e m s e l v e s for the r e c o r d p leaseMay I a s k c o u n s e l presen t to iden t i fy

the c o u n t y of S t L o u i s M i s s o u r i .Spec i a l i s t fo r L e g a l Video Spec ia l i s t s LLC b a s e d I n

IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED by and b e t w e e n

MS LUBBEN: C i c e l y Lubben c o u n s e l fo r

My name i s Lou Ste mmle r Cer t i f i ed L e g a l Video

Incorporated loca ted in th e c i ty of S t L o u i s M i s s o u r i .

Circu i t

9:04 a.m . W e re m e e t i n g a t t h e off ices of Grand C e n t e r

T h i s v i d e o t a p e i s b e in g ta k e n on beha l f of th e p l a i n t i f f

0922-CCOI036 in the Ci r cu i t C o u r t of the C ity o f S tGrand C e n t e r Incorporated e t a l which i s Cause Number

L o u i s in the State of M i s s o u r i t h e 22nd Jud i c i a l

b e g i n s t a p e one in the v i d e o t a p e d depos i t ion of Emily R

t r an sc rib ed in to pr in t i ng and s igna ture by the w i t n e s s

c o u n s e l fo r th e pa r t i e s t ha t t h i s depos i t ion may be t a k e nin s h o r t h a n d by K aren M Russo CSR RPR and af terwards

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Page d e f e n d a n t s .

P u l i t z e r .MR MARTIN: E r i c M a r t i n c o u n s e l f o r Ms

MR STEMMLER: May I ask t h e c o u r tr e p o r t e r Karen Russo t o swear i n t he w i tn e ss p le a s e?

EMILY R PULITZERo f l a w f u l age b e i n g f i r s t d u l y sworn t o t ll t h e t r u t ht h e whole t r u t h and n o t h i n g b u t t h e t r u t h deposes ands a y s on b e h a l f o f t h e P l a i n t i f f as f o l l o w s :

DIRECT EXAMINATION Y MR GUZZARDO:

Q Thank you f o r coming Mrs P u l i t z e r . C u r r e n t l ya r e you a d i r e c t o r o f one o f t h e d e f e n d a n t c o r p o r a t i o n s ?The d e f e n d a n t s i n t h i s a c t i o n a r e Grand C e n t e r I n c .V a n d e v e n t e r - S p r i n g Development C o r p o r a t i o n and C i t yC e n t e r Redevelopment C o r p o r a t i o n .

A I m a b o a r d member o f Grand C e n t e r I n c .Q Do you r e c a l l when you f i r s t became a d i r e c t o r

o f Grand C e n t e r I n c . when t h a t might have been?A P ro ba bl y a ro un d 1994Q 1994 okay And have you been s i n c e 1994 i n

t h i s i n t e r i m 19 y e a r s ?A Yes t h e r e may have been a y e a r when I was o f f

b u t MS LUBBEN: J u s t make s u r e you l e t him

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Page 8Q What i s th e bu i ld ing to the west?A It s a house wi th a workshop a t t ached to itQ I s the re any pub l i c f a c i l i t y in t h a t bui ld ing?A NoQ There i s a park on th e corne r o f Olive and

Spr ing?A Yes That a lso belongs to th e founda t ion .Q The founda t ion . There were renova t ions done to

t h a t park a t one t ime?A Well it was c rea t ed .Q When was t h a t done?A In 2001 it was f in i shed .Q And t he re were l andscape a r ch i t e c t s ca l le d in

to do t h a t pro jec t ?A Bas i ca l l y I des igned itQ Oh You designed th e p ro j e c t okay Have you

read the compla in t th e compla in t th e pe t i t i on t h a t th ep l a i n t i f f f i l ed in t h i s l awsu i t ?

A NoQ You have no t . Have you read any o f the

depos i t i ons which have been e a r l i e r t aken in t h i sl awsu i t ?

A NoQ Have you d i scussed th e do you know th e

i nd iv idua l s who have b een d ep osed in t h i s l awsu i t ?

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do you r e c a l l a meet ing where t h e Media Box was f i r s td i s c u s s e d ?

A. No

Media Box and t h e Media Box p r o j e c t ?A. I d o n t r e c a l l t h e y e a r no.Q. o you r e c a l l t h e c ir cu m st a nc es where was?A. Where t h e Media Box - -

I m now going t o

o you r e c a l l whether o r n o t t h e r e was any

Okay. A l l r i g h t t h a n k you.

No

o you r e c a l l when you f i r s t h e a r d t h e term t h e

Q.

Q.

A. No

Box.

A. Yes.Q. And who has b een d ep osed based upon your

knowledge?A. Sung o Kim and Vince Schoemehl.Q. Have you d is c us se d t h e d e p o s i t i o n o f Vince

Schoemehl w i t h t h e e x e c u t i v e d i r e c t o r Schoemehl? Haveyou d i s c u s s e d h i s d e p o s i t i o n w i t h him?

No

Q. Have you d i s c u s s e d t h e d ep os it i o n o f Sung oKim w i t h Sung Ho?

A. NoQ. Have you r e a d any o f t h e i n t e r r o g a t o r i e s which

have b een a nswere d i n t h i s c a s e ?

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P a g e 10Q. you r e c a l l b e i n g - - d o yo u r e c a l l t h e irst

t i m e yo u w e r e i n Sung Ho K i m s a r c h i t e c t u r a l o f f i c e ?A. Y e s .Q. yo u r e c a l l t h e t i m e o f t h e y e a r ?A. No, n o .Q. yo u r e c a l l wh en it o c c u r r e d a t t h a t - - d o

y o u r e c a l l wh o w as a t t h a t m e e t i n g w i t h Sung Ho Kim?A. N ot r e a l l y . I mean I s u p p o s e yo u w e r e t h e r e .

t was a l o n g t i m e a g o .Q. you r e c a l l w h e t h e r o r n o t V i n c e S c h o e m e h l

w as p r e s e n t a t t h a t t i m e o r n o t ?A. No, I d o n t r e c a l l .Q. y o u r e c a l l a n y t h i n g t h a t w as d i s c u s s e d

d u r i n g t h e c o u r s e o f t h a t m e e t i n g ?A. I d o n t know i it was a t t h a t m e e t i n g b u t I

r e m e m b e r g e n e r a l d i s c u s s i o n a b o u t t h e M e d i a Box.Q Okay. A t t h a t t i m e do yo u r e c a l l w h e t h e r o r

n o t t h e r e w as a l o c a t i o n p r o p o s e d f o r t h e M e d i a Box?A. Y e s , I t h i n k it w as t h e g as o li n e s t a t i o n s i t e .Q. S o m e t i m e s r e f e r r e d t o a s R o y a l T i r e an d A u t o ?A. The w i t n e s s n o d d e d . )Q. P r i o r t o t h a t m e e t i n g a t Sung Ho K i m s o f f i c e

h a d you a n y c o m m u n i c a t i o n s w i t h t h e o w n e r o f t h a tp r o p e r t y ?

A . No.

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Page 11Q Okay At th e t ime o f t h a t meet ing were you a

member o f a commit tee one o f t h e Grand Centercommit tees?

ProbablyQ C u r r e n t l y what committee a r e you s e r v i n g on i

you a r e s e r v i n g on any commit tees? I m on t h e l a n d use committee f o r t h e p l a n t h e

framework p l a n .Q For t h e what plan?A Framework p l a n .Q Which i s ?A For th e - - it s th e m a s t e r p l a n f o r Grand

C e n t e r .Q OkayA I m on t h e nominating committee o f t h e boardQ I s t h e r e an e x e c u t i v e committee?A There i s .Q Are you a member o f t h e e x ec u tiv e committee?A No I m n o t .Q you r e c a l l whether o r not a t th e t ime o f

t h a t o r i g i n a l Media Box member you were a member o f th ecommittee and what commit tees?

A I c a n t remember which ones noQ Okay At th e t ime o f t h a t meet ing do you

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Q Okayf i r s t p a r a g r a p h

L et me d i r e c t your a t t e n t i o n t o t h et o p a r a g r a p h 3 t h e f i r s t p a r a g r a p h i n

p a r a g r a p h o f th e c o n t r a c t you t a k e a look a t t h a t .A YesQ At t h e t ime - - I m s p e c i f i c a l l y r e f e r r i n g t o

t h a t s e c t i o n r e ga rd in g t h e language t h a t says t h a t t h ep a r t i e s w i l l p r e p a r e a p r o s p e c t i v e program and c o n t e n tsummary f o r th e Media Box with an emphasis on th es c h o l a r l y media a nd c om m un ic atio ns h e r i t a g e o f S t . LouisU n i v e r s it y s t h e o r i s t s Marsha l l McLuhan and F a t h e r WalterOng At th e t ime o f t h e c o n t r a c t were you f a m i l i a r w i t hM a r s h a l l McLuhan and Walter Ong?

A I never met e i t h e r o f themQ Were you aware o f t h e i r w r i t i n g s ?A I was aware t h a t t h e y had w r i t t e n . I have n o t

r e a d t h e i r w r i t i n g s .Q Did you know Maurice McNamme?A YesQ You d i d know Maurice McNamme?A YesQ F a t h e r McNamme Did you e v e r d i s c u s s Marsha l l

McLuhan w i t h Maurice McNamme?A NoQ P l e a s e t a k e a look a t p a r a g r a p h 5

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l a s t name?

A I doubt t

A Yes

Did you have any o c c a s i o n t o d i s c u s s t h ekayA Yes

A I doubt t

Q r e g a r d i n g M a r s h a l l McLuhan o r F a t h e r Walte rA Yes y e s .

Q Did you have any c o n v e r s a t i o n s w i t h your

A Coopera t ion and p e r i o d i c update?

A I d o n t remember

Q Yes t h e f i r s t s e n t e n c e t h e r e .

Q Did you have any c o nv e r sa ti o n s w ith Vincen t

Q Were you aware o f t h e r o l e o f M a r s h a l l McLuhan

Q Did you work w i t h a Craig Kam iner on th e Media

Ong?

Box p r o j e c t ?

o f PFA M a t t h i a s Waschek i s t h a t how you pronounce h i sformer I b e l i e v e t would have been e x e c u t i v e d i r e c t o r

Schoemehl about M a r s h a l l McLuhan and about t h e w r i t i n g so f M a r s h a l l McLuhan?

impac t t h e y would have on Grand Center?r o l e o f t h e s e i n d i v i d u a l s w i t h Vincent Schoemehl and th e

and W a l t e r Ong i n t h e s t u d y o f media a r t andcommunicat ions?

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Page 16A. No. A t l e a s t I d i d n t .Q Okay. ho i s Mr. K a m i n e r?A. H e s i n v o l v e d i n p u b l i c r e l a t i o n s a n d h e w o rk ed

w i t h - - h e was on th e b o a r d o f t h e c o n t e m p o r a r y a r tmuseum w h ic h i s ho w I g o t t o know h im.

Q D id he do an y PR p u b l i c r e l a t i o n s work f o rGrand C e n t e r ?

A. I d o n t know.Q o you know who d i d t h e A r t L i f e k i n d o f b r a n d

p ro g ram f o r G ra n d C e n t e r ?A. Toky, I t h i n k . B u t I c o u l d - - I m n o t s u r e .

P l a i n t i f f s E x h i b i t 3 was ma r k e d f o ri d e n t i f i c a t i o n . )

Q By Mr. Guzzardo) I m r e p r e s e n t i n g you E x h i b i tNumber 3 . P le a s e t a k e a l o o k a t t h a t .

A. U h -h u h .Q Had you s e e n t h i s d o c u me n t b e f o r e ?A. I d o n t t h i n k s o .Q The d o c u me n t d i s c u s s e s a PR c a mp a ig n r e g a r d i n g

M a r s h a l l McLuhan. D id t h a t c a mp a ig n t a k e p l a c e a s f a r a syou know?

A. I d o n t know.Q D id you h a v e an y d i s c u s s i o n s w i t h a n y members

o f t h e b o a r d o r w i t h V i n ce S c h o e m e h l r e g a r d i n g th e med i ac a mp a ig n i n d e s c r i b i n g t h a t d o c u me n t?



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been marked P l a i n t i f f s E x h i b i t 4 and 5 . Take a l o o k a t

A. I doubt it

P l a i n t i f f s E x h i b i t s 4 and 5 were marked f o r

J u s t t a k e

you r e c a l l r e c e i v i n g

I d o n t know what you

Let me p r e s e n t you what has

There was undoub ted ly

Jump t o 5, t h e n I ll a s k q u e s t i o n s .I v e r e a d 4.

By Mr. Guzzardo

Well , it s p o s s i b l e .

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I ll a s k you t o t a k e a l o o k a t p a r a g r a p h 5 i n

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Q you have any r e c o l l e c t i o n o f Vince Schoemehl

Q Could I have th e c o n t r a c t ?

you have any r e c o l l e c t i o n o f having r e c e i v e d

A. you want t h e s e ?

o r a member o f t h e Grand C e n t e r s t a f f p r o v i d i n g kind o f

a l o o k a t t h e o t h e r memo.

summaries o r a s y n o p s i s o f t h e memos f o r you?

t h o s e .

c o p i e s o f t h o s e memos a t t h a t t ime?

i d e n t i f i c a t i o n . )

c o n v e r s a t i o n about it

th e c o n t r a c t , t h e l a s t s e n t e n c e .

mean by p e r i o d i c u p d a t e s .

t h e r e ? Oh, h e r e it i s .

p e r i o d i c u p d a t e s on th e development o f t h e Media Box?

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d i s c u s s i o n .

A. I d o n t remember.

A Yes. Whether it was a t t h e P u l i t z e r o r n o t I

o you r e c a l l

o you r e c a l l whether o r not some o f t h e

o you r e c a l l Sung o Kim b r i n g i n g a

Okay.

Okay.

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h e a r i n g a p r e s e n t a t i o n .

A Yes I do.

Q o you r e c a l l a mult imedia p r e s e n t a t i o n t h a t I

Page 18A Not an o f f i c i a l s y n o p s i s . There may have been

Q. You d o n t remember. Now t h e r e s been some

A. I n f o r m a l l y .Q Okay. Were t h e r e committee meet ings which were

Q You had some d i s c u s s i o n s . Would t h o s e

A I d o n t b u t it s p o s s i b l e it o c c u r r e d .

c o n t e n t which i s you know s e t o u t i n t h o s e memos were

d o n t know b u t I do remember s e e i n g a model and having

t h a t meeting?

gave a t t h a t meeting?

model i n t o t h a t meeting?

September o f 2004 r e g a r d i n g t h e Media Box.e a r l i e r t e s t i m o n y t h a t t h e r e was a meet ing a t th e PFA I n

s e t where t h e Media Box was t h e agenda?

meet ings?d i s c u s s i o n s have t a k e n p l a c e i n f o r m a l l y o r i n committee

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Q P r i o r t o th e p u b l i c a t i o n d i d you have any

A. I was on t h e board o f t h e P u l i t z e r - - P u l i t z e r ,

Q What was your p o s i t i o n r e g a r d i n g P u l i t z e r media

Page 22Q Thank you. Mrs. P u l i t z e r , I would l i k e t o a s k

you a few q u e s t i o n s now abou t a P o s t - D i s p a t c h a r t i c l e

ExcuseThe n e x t pages a r e t h e

T h a t s a cover page .

you r e c a l l it a t th e t ime b e i n g - -

Before you t a k e t h e t ime t o r e a d it have you

Yes.

By Mr. Guzzardo)

Q

QA. It s d i f f i c u l t t o r e a d .

A. Probably , yeah.

P l a i n t i f f s E x h i b i t 8 was marked f o r

Q And t h e P o s t - D i s p a t c h wasA. Was owned by t h e company.

A. Yes.

A. Probably .

Q That would have been i n January o f 2005,

I n c .

a t t h a t t ime?

d i s c u s s i o n w i t h any o f t h e any r e p o r t e r f o r t h e

c o r r e c t ?

r e a d t h a t a r t i c l e p r i o r t o now?

when it was p u b l i s h e d ?

a r t i c l e .

e n t i t l e d Eminent domain t a k e s aim a t life s work.

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Page 23Po st D is pa tc h r eg a rd ing

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t h i s s tory Subsequent to the pub l ica t ionwere the re any d i scuss ions regard ing

D isc us sio ns w ith w omQ With the r epo r t e r or any r epresen ta t ive of the

Po st D i sp a tc h r eg a rd ing t h i s s toryo

A fte r the pub l ica t ion were the re any meet ingsa t Grand Center dea l ing with t h i s Post Dispa tch s to ryre ga rd in g th e Gent le Jim Day proper ty

There may have beenQ you r e ca l l pa r t i c ipa t i ng in those meet ings? o

Did you have any con tac t with Alderman MichaelMcMillan regard ing t h i s mat te r

oQ mat te r s conta ined in t h i s s tory

oQ Did you have any con tac t with Lacy Clay

Congressman Lacy Clay or any of h is r ep re se n ta tiv e sregard ing t h i s eminent domain ac t ion

No

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Page 25unanimously fo l lowed h is recommendation to drop th eeminent domain s u i t aga ins t Day. Other Grand Centers i t e s wi l l be scouted fo r th e proposed bu i ld ing , hes a id .

Did you pa r t i c i p a t e in any d i scuss ions withVince Schoemehl o r o the r board members reg ard in g th ea lte rn a tiv e s it es ?

A. I don t remember.( P l a i n t i f f s Exhib i t 10 was marked fo r

i d en t i f i c a t i on . ) By Mr. Guzzardo I m presen t ing you Exhib i t

10 which i s an e -mai l with ce r t a i n images o f th e bu rn tchurch , and I be l i eve th e da te o f t h a t i s

A. May 18, 2005.Q And t h a t would have been a week before th e

second Post a r t i c l e carne out?A. Uh-huh. At t h a t t ime were you aware t h a t Grand Cente r

was proposing th e burn t church as a po t en t i a l s i t e fo rc on sid er at io n fo r th e Media Box?

A. I don t remember. F i r s t j u s t fo r c l a r i t yA. I would say p ro bab ly n ot because I would no t be

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s t a b i l i z e d .

look .

A. t s a church t h a t was t h a t burned i n 2000

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MR GUZZARDO Yeah, let s j u s t swap.

I m s o r r y , and t h e format took something o f f .Yes.

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MS LUBBEN: Do you want t o swap?

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i d e n t i f i c a t i o n .

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p r o j e c t s .

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MS LUBBEN: O b j e c t t o l a c k o f f o u n d a t i o n .

s t a b i l i z a t i o n o f t h e church?

A. Dan F l a v i n was - -

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t h i s i s i n r e f e r e n ce t o t h e s t a b i l i z a t i o nMS LUBBEN: You can answer if you know.

F i r s t o f a l l if you c o u l d tell u s who was Dan

Okay, t h a n k you.

Yes.

Oh, I m s o r r y t h e r e s proposed t r a n s f o r m a t i o nIt s r i g h t h e r e .I m s o r r y I d o n t see it.

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Q By Mr. Guzzardo And you n o t e t h e r e i s a

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r e g a r d i n g t h a t ?

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o f t h e c h u r c h .

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Q And PF d i d a F l a v i n i n s t a l l a t i o n c o r r e c t ?A YesQ And t h a t would have been i n 2008; i s t h a t

c o r r e c t ?A YesQ What i s t h e l e a d t ime from i n s t a l l i n g t h e show

and s e l e c t i n g t h e rt st f o r t h e show a t t h e PFAg e n e r a l l y ?

A Well i n t h a t c a s e t was I t h i n k a b o u t ay e a r .

Q About a y e a r okay And who a t t h e PF wouldhave been t h e c u r a t o r i n c h a r g e o f t h i s show?

A had an o u t s i d e c u r a t o r a woman namedT if f a n y B e l l who had worked f o r t h e F l a v i n Foundat ion andhad been i n v o l v e d i n t h e c a t a l o g u e r a i s o n n e o f h i s workand a r e t r o s p e c t i v e t h a t t r a v e l e d I know t was i nLondon and I v e f o r g o t t e n e x a c t l y o th e r p la c e s b u t wasshown i n major i n s t i t u t i o n s .

Q P r i o r t o t h e C o n st r uc te d L ig ht p r o j e c t had t h ePF e v e r shown any o f t h e i n d i v i d u a l F l a v i n p i e c e s a sp a r t o f t h e c o l l e c t i o n ?

A The P u l i t z e r had n o t b u t I had c u r a t e d ane x h i b i t i o n o f h i s work a t t h e S t . Louis A r t Museum i n1973 which was a major e x h i b it i o n t h e r e .

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t h a t we would commission l i g h t p ro je ct s i n t h e Grand

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The chicken and egg what came f i r s t ?

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A. The F l a v i n e x h i b i t i o n came f i r s t , and t h e i d e a

A With t h e F l a v i n e x h i b i t i o n , y e s .

Q I t r e f e r s t o t h e C o n s t r u c t e d Light and a - - th eA. Yes I t h i n k t s - - yeah t s th e w s i t ~

Q o you p e r s o n a l l y c o l l e c t F l a v i n s work?

Q Did t h e C o ns tr uc te d L ig ht i n s t a l l a t i o n i n c l u d e

n a t u r a l l i g h t , which normal ly f lows i n t o our b u i l d i n g ,f o r t h e C o ns tr u ct e d L ig h t p r o j e c t came because t h e

i n s t a l l a t i o n was f lowing o u t . And t h a t provided t h e i d e a

Center a r e a from younger a r t i s t s .

l i g h t p r o j e c t which was i n c o n j u n c t i o n t o th e C o n s t r u c t e d

what was o c c u r r i n g a t n i g h t was t h e l i g h t from th e F la v in

promotional m a t e r i a l r e ga rd in g t h e e x h i b i t i o n ; i s i t ?

L i g h t e x h i b i t i o n .


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A The F l a v i n e x h i b i t i o n d a t e s a r e a m a t t e r o fr e c o r d .

Q Approximately your e x h i b i t i o n s run f o r what?

F l a v i n was up and running and you were - -A. R i g h t .Q You r e a l i z e d you had done something q u i t e

e x t r a o r d i n a r y ?

S ix o r e i g h t months?A. Six months yes .Q. Okay t h a t s t h e g e n e r a l .A. G e n e r a l l y .Q S we can assume something l i k e t h a t . So

So - -

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t h e d a t e s o f t h e C o n s t r u c t e d L i g h t i n s t a l l a t i o n o ropening and c l o s i n g ?

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YesThen t h e r e were f u r t h e r d i s c u s s i o n s ? went t o t h re e c u r a to rs i n S t . Louis ; Robin

4 C l a r k who was th e contemporary c u r a t o r a t t h e S t . Louis5 A rt Museum Matt S t r a u s who heads White Flag and th e6 c u r a t o r a t t h e Contemporary Museum Our f e e l i n g was t h a t7 we were n o t f a m i l i a r w i t h young a r t i s t s work and t h e y8 were and we asked them each t o nominate a r t i s t s f o r t h i s9 p r o j e c t . And Robin C l a r k o f t h e S t . Louis A rt Museum

10 s u g g e s t e d Ann L i s l e g a a r d who had a p r o j e c t i o n on our back11 w a l l o f a video she had made and S e b a s t i a n Hungerer and12 Rainer Kehres from Germany who d i d t h e Burnt Church13 p r o j e c t .14 Q Was t h e L is l e g a ar d p r o j e c t i o n on your back w a l l15 o r t h e Contemporary?1617

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18 was t h e r e ?1920

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21 P u l i t z e r who was h a n d l i n g t h i s p r o j e c t ?22 A No was M a t t h i a s Waschek and a l s o we had a23 s o c i a l worker on our s t a f f L i s a Harper Chang and she24 was i n v o l v e d i n t h i s p r o j e c t because th e lamps t h a t were25 used i n t h e church p r o j e c t were a l l donated by S t .



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Q. T h i s i s an o b v i o u s , b u t a t t h e t i m e o f t h e lampp r o j e c t i n t h e c h u r c h had t h e c h u r c h been s t a b i l i z e d ?

A. Yes.Q. assume e x c e p t f o r t h e a r t i s t s ?A. P a r t i a l l y . No one was a l l o w e d i n s i d e .

on t h e e x e c u t i v e commit tee o f Grand C e n t e r a t t h a t t ime?Can you t ll us i you were

Q. Again E x h i b i t 12, it r e f e r e n c e s t h e e x e c u t i v ecommit tee o f Grand C e n t e r .

A. Yes.Q. Were you on t h e b o a r d s o f V a n d e v e n t e r - S p r i n g

Redevelopment C o r p o r a t i o n a t t h a t t ime?A. No.Q. You were n o t on t h e b o a r d o f V a n d e v e n t e r - S p r i n g

Redevelopment C o r p o r a t i o n a t t h a t t ime?A. No.Q. Were you on t h e b o a r d o f C i t y C e n t e r

Redevelopment C o r p o r a t i o n a t t h a t t ime?A. No.

R GUZZ RDO L e t s do t h i s a s a groupe x h i b i t .

P l a i n t i f f s E x h i b i t 15 was marked f o ri d e n t i f i c a t i o n . )

Q. By Mr. Guzzardo Mrs. P u l i t z e r , I want t og i v e you what i s marked a s P l a i n t i f f s Group E x h i b i t

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Page 36Number 15 and it p u r p o r t s t o be a s e r i e s o f f i l i n g s w i t hS e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e Robin Carnahan f o r 2006 and 2007 o fV a n d e v e n t e r - S p r i n g Redevelopment C o r p o r a t i o n and C i t yC e n t e r Redevelopment C o r p o r a t i o n .moment and l o o k a t t h a t .

A Well I guess t h i s i n d i c a t e s I was a member o ft h e C i t y C e n t e r Redevelopment C o r p o r a t i o n .

Q you r e c a l l when you irst became a d i r e c t o ro f C i t y C e n t e r ?

I d i d n t r e c a l l I was on itQ you have any r e c o l l e c t i o n on your c u r r e n t

s t a t u s a s it a p p l i e s t o C i t y C e nt e r C o rp or ati o n I d o n t t h i n k I m a memberQ - - o r V a n d e v e n t e r - S p r i n g okay you have

any r e c o l l e c t i o n o f r e s i g n i n g from e i t h e r o f t h o s e twob o a r d s ?

A No b u t t h i s i s a l l a m a t t e r o f r e c o r d . I meanyou have it

Q I u n d e r s t a n d . I j u s t w on dere d w hat your e c a l l e d o r remembered How would you d e s c r i b e yourr e l a t i o n s h i p w i t h Sing Ho Kim and H e a t h e r Woofter?

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1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE City OF S t. Louis STATE OFMISSOURI2

P UL GUZZ RDO APPEARANCES3 Paul Guzzardo, Esq.vs . 4 No. 0922-CC01036 Cice ly I . Lubben, Esq. Eric d. Mart in , Esq.5 GR ND CENTER, INC., e t a l .

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