Fifth Year of Publication Third Quarter, 2005 Issue No. 19Fifth Year of Publication Third Quarter, 2005 Issue No. 19
POU RENEW The magazine for enthusiasts of Henri Mignet’s designs
du Ciel
POU Comparison Chart
GL-3 Pouss-POU 2 4 8 5
What a wonderful surprise to receive those two colored photos of Julius's and your organizational efforts in the
restoration of my Henri Mignet HM-360 "Flying Flea". I
thank you both!
It is just great to see the skilled restoration work ac-complished by Julius resulting from your interest and
leadership, HMS. YES, we all THREE make a fine team!
Elaine also was intrigued to see the two colored POU du CIEL photos, as she had not been in the picture, when
EAA's Paul Poberezney transported my Flea via Air Na-
tional Guard aircraft to the EAA Museum. She has how-ever been a brave white-knuckled passenger with me in
my 1946 RAAF DH-82A "Tiger Moth" flights to local
flyins. I think that is why she volunteered to drive our
then two dachshund puppies to those fly-ins, while I flew ahead. Shrewd Lady!
MANY THANKS, again, HMS and Julius for your
leadership interests and skilled efforts in accomplishing
this superb restoration of my Henri Mignet HM-360 FLYING FLEA! And it's selection to be displayed in the
American Flying Flea Museum! I am much in debt to
both of you GOOD FRIENDS.
CHEERS, with much joy and love !
Ralph and Elaine Wefel
Stewards of the Findhorn Foundation 555-91 Freeman Road
Central Point, Oregon 97502-2539
RALPH WEFEL HM-360 Restoration - Complete!
Photos by Julius Junge
HM-21
Photos from
Jerome Falc
Flying Flea Forum
EAA AirVenture, Oshkosh
Friday, July 29, 2005
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Année de création
1934 DANGER 1936 1935 1962 1999 1935 1943 1945 1946 1946
Documents informatifs (bibliographie) [25,26,11] [6,11,16] [3,…] [3] [3'] [20] […,7,8,19] […,8] […,7,8]
Envergure aile avant (Lav) [m] 6,00 6,00 4,00 4,60 5,10 5,00 5,10 5,50 5,50 6,10
Envergure aile arrière (Lar) [m] 4,00 4,00 4,00 3,40 4,00 3,00 4,00 ? 3,60 4,20 4,80
Corde aile avant (Cav) [m] 1,40 1,40 1,00 1,00 1,04 1,00 1,05 ? 1,20 1,20 1,20
Corde aile arrière (Car) [m] 1,40 1,40 1,00 1,00 1,04 1,00 1,05 ? 1,20 1,20 1,20
Surface aile avant (Sav) [m²] 7,50 7,50 3,65 4,25 4,90 4,65 4,95 ? 5,80 5,80 6,50
Surface aile arrière (Sar) [m²] 4,70 4,70 3,65 3,05 3,75 2,65 3,80 ? 3,60 4,30 5,00
Proportion des surfaces (Sav/Sar) [/] 1,60 1,60 1,00 1,39 1,31 1,75 1,30 ? 1,61 1,35 1,30
Surface aile totale (Stot) [m²] 12,20 12,20 7,30 7,30 8,65 7,30 8,75 9,40 9,10 11,50
Profil [/] 34.0.13 34.0.13 23.0.12
Inter-inclinaison [°] -2 -1 à -2 -2 -3 -3 -6
Entreplan Horizontal (EH min ?) [cm] -5 0 0 ? 0 ? -6 0 ?
Entreplan Horizontal (EH max ?) [cm] -15 40 15 ? 15 ? 10
Entreplan Vertical [cm] 52 62 61 61 40
Cosandey flaps [/] 0 1 oui 0 2 oui 0
Poids vide [daN] 140 150 100 111 115 120 140 157 ? 159
Poids parachute [daN] 0 0 0 0 10 0 0
Poids carburant [L daN] 21/15 12/9 14/10 24/23 24/17 24/17 ? 22/16 32/23
Nombre de personnes [/] 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Poids personnes [daN] 60 60 82 90 77 ? 70 77 77
Poids des bagages [daN] 11 8 12 15 15
Poids total (TOW) [daN] 220 170 227 240 214 ? 265 240 272
CG au …% du Corde totale [%] 26 23,5 28 25 25 22 ? 25 ? 22 23 24
Foyer sur …% de la corde totale
(avec EH min) [%] 24,4 24,4 29,2 25,7 26,3 23,6 26,4 24,4 26,0 26,4
Modèle
HM14 HM14 HM16 HM160 HM163 HM18 HM280 HM290 HM293 HM293A
COMPRENDRE - TYPES DE POU(X)
TABLEAU COMPARATIF DES POU(X)-DU-CIEL (Hans ENGELS)
En explorant attentivement beaucoup de documents (cités en bibliographie au bas de la page) Hans ENGELS a pu dresser un impressionnant tableau comparatif des caractéristiques des divers modèles de Pou(x)-du-Ciel.
Foyer sur …% de la corde totale (avec EH max) [%] 24,5 24,4 25,8 26,4 24,3
Foyer sur …% de C/4-C/4 [%] 23,9 23,9 33,3 26,4 27,7 22,2 27,7 23,7 27,0 27,8
Charge alaire avant [daN/m²] 22,4 33,5 40,1 36,7 35,9 ? 40,2 ? 32,3 36,1
Charge alaire arrière [daN/m²] 11,0 13,0 18,6 16,0 17,8 ? 17,4 ? 14,7 14,5
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Modèle
HM14 HM14 HM16 HM160 HM163 HM18 HM280 HM290 HM293 HM293A
Année
de création
1934
DANGER 1936 1935 1962 1999 1935 1943 1945 1946 1946
Documents informatifs
(bibliographie) [25,26,11] [6,11,16] [3,…] [3] [3'] [20] […,7,8,19] […,8] […,7,8]
NOTA : quand EH n'est pas marqué, on présume qu'il est = 0; QF = Quality Factor (cf. ouvrage G. Jacquemin);
La présence d'un "?" signale une incertitude sur la valeur associée.
BIBLIOGRAPHIE
[1] “HM-16 and/or HM-160?”, p.9 , Pou Review, nov.1998
[2] “FLYING FLEAS Technical Notes for the Amateur”, Georges Jacquemin, Fying Flea Archive USA
[3] “HM-160, Baby Pou, Construction drawings and workshop manual”, plans Fying Flea Archive USA
[4] “2000 kilomètres en 16 heures de vol sur HM290…”, Henri Mignet, Les Ailes n° 1075, 24 août 1946
[5] « Fiche technique du HM360… », Mr. Michel Battarel, Les Ailes n° 1753, 28 nov. 1959
[6] « Contribution à l’Etude et au Réglage des Aéronefs de H. Mignet », L. Cosandey, RSA 1948 ?
[7] « Mignet HM290, translations by Georges Jacquemin, Plans Manuals #1 & 2 », Falconar Aircraft, Alberta
[8] “ Description du HM 290/293”, Pilote Privé, 1959?; [9] « Expérimentation de l’avion Mignet HM 293 HB-SUS », Louis Cosandey, 1958
[10] Lettre de Philippe Balligand à Hans Engels 15-2-1998; [11] “Le sport de l’air”, Henri Mignet, 6e edition, 1994
[12] “HM-1100 Cordouan”, http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/hm1100.htm , (30-9-00) of folder van SAM
[13] “Sur le volet à l’aile arrière”, Louis Cosandey, in Notre Aviation n° 2 , 1er trim. 1958, p 3-4
[14] « La Buse, le HM296 de M.Beron », Notre Aviation n° 1 , sept-oct. 1957 , p 2
[15] « La formule Mignet en Suisse, des nouvelles de Louis Cosandey » , Notre Aviation n° 1 , sept-oct. 1958, p.3
[16] « le Sport de L’Air par la formule Mignet » , Notre Aviation n° 2, 1er trim. 1958, p 5-8
[17] « pas variable ou pas ? », Vol Moteur n° 178, fév. 2001, p 52-55; [18] Plans HM 360, Henri Mignet, 1958-1959
[19] Plan du HM 290 sur 1 page, " L’Aéronef ", Henri Mignet, 1946; [20] “Musée de l’air, Hall E”, Le Bourget
[21] « Du centrage des Poux du Ciel », Philippe Balligand, « Les infos du constructeur » RSAB n° 35 juil-août 1997
[22] « HM-1100, mawimum weight performances », http://www.percival.fr/mignet/anglais/produits_technique_cordouan.htm (15-5-01)
[23] “Flying the Flying Flea, The World’s Weirdiest Homebuilt ?” , Allison Hunt, Homebuilt Aircraft, summer 1976,
http://www.flyingflea.org/docs/philhowel.html (10-5-2001)
[24] "Henri Mignet nous parle du HM 280", O.D., 1944 ?, (Les infos du constructeur, n° 55, RSAB , 2001)
[25] "De-Vicing the Pou", Flight, 20-8-1936 (avec le réglage de Henri Mignet lui même), Archive Material, Volume 1, Flying Flea Archive
[26] "The Sky-Louse", The Aeroplane, 13-3-1935 (Archive Material, Volume 1, Flying Flea Archive)
Origine de l’article : proposition de Hans ENGELS, Nijlen, Belgique (05/2001)
Auteur : Hans ENGELS
Proportion des charges alaires (av/ar) [/] 2,0 2,6 2,2 2,3 2,0 2,3 ? 2,2 2,5
Charge alaire moyenne (TOW/Stot) [daN/m²] 18,0 23,3 31,1 27,7 29,3 ? 30,3 25,5 29,9
Longueur totale [m] 3,5 3,3 3,5 3,5 3,65 4,1 3,58 4
Puissance (min ?) [CV] 17 17 25 25 25 35 32 18 30 30
Puissance (max ?) [CV] 25 35 50 55 55
CV/Stot (min ?) [CV/m²] 1,4 1,4 3,4 3,4 2,9 4,8 3,7 1,9 3,3 2,6
CV/Stot (max ?) [CV/m²] 2,0 4,0 5,3 6,0 4,8
TOW/CV (min ?) [daN/CV] 12,9 6,8 9,1 9,6 6,1 8,3 13,3 9,1
TOW/CV (max ?) [daN/CV] 8,8 6,9 4,8 4,9
QF = 0.451 * TOW²/ (Stot*CV) (min ?) [90<>135] 105 71 127 120 81 ? 113 154 122
QF = 0.451 * TOW²/ (Stot*CV) (max ?) [90<>135] 72 86 55 67
Plage de vitesse [km/h] .../100 30/110 40/130 40/150 …/150 45/145 ?
Vitesse de croisière [km/h] 80 80 130 145 ?
Vitesse maximale (VNE) [km/h]
Finesse [/ km/h] 8
Vitesse verticale
[m/sec km/h] 2,5 2,5 ? 1.7 (30Pk)
Vitesse descente parachutale [m/sec] -4
Distance décollage/atterrissage [m] 100/... 100 50/50 60/… 50/50
Plafond [ft] 11500 10000/30Pk
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GL-3 Pouss-POU
The GL-3 has been a flying test
bed for pusher disposition and
Citrokn engines. Two versions
were made.
Version 1
Monoseater Pusher First Flight: 1979 Engine: Citrokn GS 40 HP Span: Front: 6.45 m
Rear: 6.35 m Airfoil: 23012 Chord: 1.10 m 2 flaps on rear wing for
Xwind landing.
Version 2
Two-seater pusher First Flight: 1981 Engine: Citrokn GSA 50 HP
Span: Front: 8.00 m
Rear: 6.35 m
Airfoil: 23012
Chord: 1.10 m
2 flaps on rear wing for
Xwind landing.
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