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MINUTESZONING BOARD~OF APPEALS

January 21, 1970 '

A Public Hearing of the Zoning Boa~d of Appeals of the Townof Chili. ,N .Y. wa's 'held in the 'Administration Offices of th.e Townof Chili, N.Y:, 3235 Chili, Avenue, Rochester, N.y~ 14624 ,on January27. 197.0 at 8:00P.M. The liearing was called to order by theChairman. Mr, Ro b e.r t; Hunter.

Roll Call was as £ollow~;

Present; Mr. Robart Hun r e r. ChairmanMrs. Ge~trude Tange~

Mr. John Palermo -Mr. John LighthouseMr, Richard Harrington

.,Ab s.en t e Mr, Charles: 'Pfen'ninger

Mr. David Fingar'

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Also present: Mr. Daniel Lincoln Miller, Deputy Town AttorneyMr. William Davis, Superintendent of BUildi~g.

Ill. Application of Eliz;abe.th 'Lash, 139 'East Avenue; East Rochester,N. Y" for approval to convert and remodel' b a.rn at 120, MorganRoad into a home, which barn contains a four room apartmentwhich 'had b e.en used' by former' own.er, barn approx. 25' from frontlot line,

Mr. Robart Walker appeared before 'the Board and requested this hearingbe, postponed as his plans 'had not b e'en' completed. Mr. Hunter inquiredif he intended bU:ying 'the 'p r-o p e rt y to convert into a home and wasadvised yes .. and was 'requesting 'the' hearing be: postponed until nextregular meeting of the Board,' . '

DECISION; Hearing on this application postponed for one month and Ito, be', heard .a t; the, Febi,uary hearing.

112.' Applic.ation of Ryan Homes, 226:9 Ly e Tl, Av e nue , for approval toe re c t; a 3 ", x 4' sign with arrow indicating model' homes, inmall at corner of LeXington Parkway 'and Re v'e z'e Drive, as persketch ~ub~itted. E zone.

'3: Application 'of Ryan Homes. ~Z~9 Lyell Avenue. for appro~al to,erect sign 3" x 4'" wi,th a r r ow indicating model, homes 'on Lot'116, 86 Daunton Drive, at corner of Daunton Drive and Revere Drive,as per sketch submitted. E zone.

#4. Application of Ryan Homes, 2269 Lye Ll, Avenue, for approval to erect ashield sign. 1-1/2.', x 2";'1/2', erected on 1; s hap e d post, 6' high.approx. as per sketc.h submitted on lot 180, 27. Minute, Man Trail.E zone. (application amended at hearing to, renew variance previouslygranted for two signs on Lexington P,arkway a4vertising the"Fairmont" and "Cla-rmont" - si'gns 'same shield sLgn j; -

Mr. John Donahue, representing Ryan Homes 'appeared before the Bo a r d ,He advised he'took pictures' .'to'day" 'th'isafternoon. of the one signon mall, which he submitted. Emphasized t h e's e s Lgn s are temporary.Reason felt necessary to construct them, did or~ginally have modelson Lex Ln.g t.o-n Parkway:. easy to find. The sign with A frame 'at Chilian4 Lexington, now have sold that model an~ moving sales uffice andmorel in Secti.on 3 'of Lexington, :which is 'a little more difficult tofind and they' feel arrows necess'ary in order to, direct p ub Lf.c tomodel' h omas ;. One at end of parkway. which picture submitted. n ow atintersection of Revere Drive, in an effort to get people to turn right.At end of Revere Drive, approximately 1/4 mil~ from that sign, anD~hersimilar sign erected on a vacant building lot, wh~ch have option tobuy -an d , of course, if sell t h a't; lot will p r o b a.b Ly be moved rightaway, but at present time lot not sold. As far as how long would likesigns up, difficult to say. Might be. six monthi. could be. as long asa year, depending on s a'Le s' 'in year hOyT Jong use those particular modelsas sales'offlce. As they p r ob a.b Ly know,' going into s e c t Lo n 4 shortly'and will be b ud.Ld Ln g models there. Chances are not less than six months

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t!!m IdIl bo .. In!IllIo hOarlnl' of· t1a . l)l,2 .... .......- .....~n Jot lao,f.oolJII BOIUd 01A~'Of tM :town .: ~~tt: "l'nJ1. 'E £Ono. :of Chili to bo lW:inn l'.Ilo Chili Ad., . 1icatl01l ot"l'hDlIll\ll H FrmoIl-'mlnisItallOll Office, 3235 Cblli Avenue, ll:51 ~r 310 North Glen rinvo, fo .;~~. N;Y. 1'1624 OD JlIIluary 21, ~ 10 bIII11J a two famllY.iU"/O at 8:00 roM.;;to ~~ tho f.;>! .1WD&iO on lot lit :>216 UI1lOD 8t:re6t;!.;>w!n8 aPllllcallOll!Il. . . lot ~ 9'5.85'x 266':. B l!flllC.1:1. Al'l'lleatlOl1 of EIlzabolh La!b, 139':1:$ 'Al'Plication ~. C!m1es Page, 435e

E;,$t Avonue. Ba!( :RQ<;bdlter, N.Y. -B1It!alo'RO~ for approval of ~lor approval (0 conveft and TO- 15'x 3' Jip' '1'.C. l'AGE.'1" at-model bam at 120 )\forgan: Road; tactJed .. to front (>f Jmlldini,into a Mme. w/llch barn C<>l1tains unligll!ed, at 4350 jln1falo .Roada four room aP!\lil11ont wliich bad and Ughled sl¥n 5' big/l. 6' looebeen used bY former owner. barn mounted· on two 3:' .ID poles'approx, ~5' from fmnt lot HnC.~ . al'PTOx.. 7" to bottom 01 sign, la-!.:: eene, ' c..tcd 2' from sidewalk at 435lJ

11:1. Applicatinn of Ryan Homes, 2269 Buffalo Road. B zone,Lyell ss«; .f.;>r approval 10 erect ="/. APpUcatiOl1 of Don Schuler. 884a 3' x 4' ~lgn wi\ll arrow indicat- Maraliai1 Road, for allProval tolnll model homes. in mall at comer operat. a. lawn. mower, anawof Lexlilgtlm 1'.alkw8Y ·/l1td Revere blower,: lIlIrtlon equip. repalt shop ,.Drl.,., a! ~r aketcb ·$I¢rnlUed. on &. J)iI['t tlmo basls ill i&1'alI8 atl'! WM, . . . .' lIonw 884 Mushall ll.oRd. E ~ne,

It:J. Applicatlon of Ry8l1 HOllle!!.:!%6!l All~ p;arUeII _. lY"IUutUJL}eUA_. for.",pprO'ial to eteCtllO hII present. BY 0r<W d IM.Chalr-~ ~I '" .(', "'lUI _ !lldJ~ mil!! Of tl\tI ZonhIs B't>ata of~~ !\rode! ho!!'.e on LoI. ±tl6. 86 cl th. To...l1 ot CIii.ll.J.~Y.:Q!.U"[O"- D!iv" ~t comet af U'l!!I- :It(lB_~ ElJl\l'11!.!l.. ' :tt'J::J Dri"'e. .u1d tt,,",\lI"t"J\ D!'iv-., ... pr:l' Q.ll"!J!lln~JU~. I _. 'DAtf41 ltttlf4lJ, J.... l1-D5-U. . .

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ColllDli' I· COUNTY ewYork5SIDn Expl • N. Y.resMarch30, 1971

. 17thSworn before me this........................................ }

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E,leanor E. Willi ams .........................................~ being duly sworn, deposes and say

that she is principal clerk in the office of THE TlMES"UNION a daily

newspaper published in the City 0:£ Rochester, County and State aforesaid,

and that a notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, was published in

the said paper on the following dates:

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and signs wi,ll come d own., Howeve r ; would Ld.ke , if possible to getpe r md.s s'Lo n for year, if this 'is po s sfb I'e ;'

The third is shield type sign which indicates' name o f model "RYmark 711"which happens to, be, sales 'office. Actually on front lawn of model home.Ab o.u t, 6' high" Picture wh.Lch he submitted desc'ribes it better than hecan. Also, whe'n'man made 'application for shield sign, are two otherslike this model directly n ex t door "Fairmont" which h ave not applieddirectly for variance on. th1s one on "Fairmout" and also one on"Clarmount" on Lexington Parkway. Neglected' to specify signs there.or did not realize variance needed to obtain them for t h at , Alsodid not know 1f had to make ~pecific a~plication. Mr. Hunter advisedhim they would amend the application to include thes~ also. Mr.,Palermo questioned if th~se were right next door. Mr. Donahue advisedone is next door, that is "711" on lot ISO and "Fairmont" on Lot 181and on Lexington Parkwa'y sti1.1 have one model on corner lot "Clarmount"and ah LaLd sign still up on that. It is for s aLe and hopefully wi.llnot be too long b e.fo z e that sign will be removed. There 'is also a sign'on Lexington Parkwa,y th'at will be. removed as 'soon as weather permits'.Varianceson these previously given have expired'. These' signa. are allup. just r e c'en t Ly h a'v e b e.e n installed. Hr. Davis a dvLs e'd none in rightof ways to obstruct view. just on lots. '

On question' of Mr. Hunter, if anyone p r e s'en t in favor of or opposedto this ~pplication, (including all three in one) together withamendment, no one appeared.

DECISIONS:

ttl. Unanimously dened to be', located in mall. b u.t; granted if move(2)' out nf mall and onto nearby lot. for a period of one year, with

right to reapply for renewa,l. inasmuch 'as ma'Ll, is Town property.

tt2. Unanimously granted for a p e r'Lo d of one year. wi'ththe right to(3.)' reapply for a r-enewa'L, b u.t; sign to be loc.ated on lot so it is not

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(including two added' at hearing) Unanimously granted for a p a r Lo dof one year, with the right to, reapply for a renewal, but signsto be located on lots.B6 they are not on Town pzoperty.

Application of Thomas H. Frauenhofer, 310 North Glen Drive, forapproval to build a two, family house ~n lot at 3216Un1on Street,lot b e.Ln.g 96'.85' x 26:6'. Ezone.

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1'1:r. Frauenhofer and his wife Kathleen, appeared b e.f o r e the Board. Heasked the Board to, understand ne v.e r fane this before and did not knowproper approach. Submitted bis plans. together with plot plan. Mr.Hunter requested him to describe. projec.t to' them and t e Ll, them, heassumes the application is claiming hardshi'p on property. would hetell them if this 'is 'the case and wh.a t basis 'is. Mr. Frauenhoferadvised' plan to construct two-family h o'u s e 'and reason picked area,travelled entire Monroe 'County area and found it 'appealed. Inasmuc.has hardship concerned, it was matter of m.oz t gag e money faciliti,es andpresent state 'of monetary c.onditions. Thought' possible to c.onstructtwo-fa'mily house in whic.h .th e y would live as own:er and would like topoint to one feature in plans, the owner section is ~n rear. Frontand ba~k quite unique, feel aesthetically nice appearing structure.will le~d itself and add to general appearance of neighborhood andprop~rty values. Front part not apartment in nature and back threebedroom home. both upstairs and downstairs.' Mr. Hunter asked if,he knew square footage of eac.h of units offhand. Hr. Frauenhoferthought about 1800,s quare 'feet' total. Th.ought e ve r'y f h Lng included inplans. Mrs. Frauenhdfer advised basically, owner's.side, living room,dining room. large kitchen. t b r'e e b e'd r o ome ;. Tenant's side. lillilllg room,dining room. ~mall kitchen, two. be.drooms. bathroom. There will be. atwo car garage. Mr. Frauenhofer advised construction masonry, firewall. conc.rete 'b Lo ck from cellars up to <etling, second floor to, roofstructure. Mr. Hunter questioned. hardship c.laimed is ~ersonal one.

not related to ~operty itself. is that correct? Hr~ Frauenhofer

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advised yes, require~ents from lending institutions, availability ofmoney 'and req.u,ire~ent of down' payment, and felt wi,th this arrangement

, could h ave . home and type of d e s'Lgn r e ques.t Ln g and at same time' assistancegained from partial rental would h e'Lp to, mutual advantage of b o.th ownersand tenant in this case.' '

Plans we,r,e studied by Board. On quest:i.on of Mrs.' Tanger Mr. Frauenhoferadvised just one side ~o.uld be rental property, thei~ plans are to livethere as s o'o n as 'const'rllction completed'. Each 'family wi,ll have down-stairs 'and upstairs 'and separatel::eTlars. Masonry wa.Ll, starts from Icel,lar and all way up. Mrs.' Tanger', questioned' wa s ·,thE!r'e 'not more,property up th,ere? Mr. Frauenho'fer' advised yes', property owned byMr. Glidden, th~s and also property ne~t door. Total frontage on lotis in neighb'o,rho'od of 20:0'. This is 'roughly half, 95.67' • Mr.Glidden, present e: hearing a dvLs ed , t h a's 'is 'up hill ha:lf, n o r t h half.eMl:. Frauenhofer', a dvLsed also' Lnc Lude d, was plot plan s h owLng locationof dweTling. He pointerl out Un.Lo n Street and situation of dwellingin r e La t Lon to, lot size:, maintaining Town d Ls tran ce e.;' ,it is, in excessof Town dis tan c e a. 18' from one p r op e r t y line 'and 15' from other andr e qud r-e d frontage. He explained outside would be Wortex tile, s troneand mortar. so' designed not to look like tw,o'-family. just look liket wo story house. Siding stuff made in Canandaigua, N.Y. by NationalGypsum. could s irbmd t; sample; it, is very' nice.', ' Saw it at Kodak, usingit on Re s ear ch Building, actually pebbl.es b o.und to s pe c LaL high densitymason b o.a r d , Do it by machine. guarantee ma t e r.I a L for 20: ,years fore xt e.r.Lo r w e.a r , Advised the b o.t t om is masonry type c o ns t zuc t.Lon , Notdec~ded on exterior type ~f siding gn si~e ~l:ea and back, but wouldlike to, keep it as 'attractive in masonry as 'p o s sLb Le , If cost p e rtnd t swould like to extend br.ick to side and estimate c o s t on constructionnow is in neighbol:hood of $4~,0~~; exclusive of lot.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of or opposedto th~s application, Mr. Glidden advised he ~as in favor of it.No one 'appeal:ed in o p po s Lt Lon to it.

DECISION: Unanimously de nd.ed , I#6. Application of Charles Page. 4350 Buffalo Road. for appl:oval of

a 15' x 3', sign-"P.C. PAGES" attached to front of b ud.LdLng ,unlighted. at 435.0,B,uffalo Road and lighte,d. sign 5' high, 6' longmounted on two 3". ID po Le.s 'a p p r ox , 7" to, bottom of sign, located2', from si'dewalk at 43S.o Bu.f.f a I.o Road. B z o.n e ,

Mr. Page 'appeared before 'the Board and sketches of signs requestedwere submitted to the 'Board fOl: study. BothPep'si' Co,la s f.g n s , onejust flat me t.a.L sign against f r o n t of building. like ove r the door.Mr. Hunter questioned this, is 'a metal sign? Mr. Page 'advLs e'd , yes.just flat metal sign "P.C. and Pages" on it. The o t h er is 'lighted,either be: p e ps L cola or team, and lighted' just like had before at'othel: place. Mr. Hunter, -que st.Lon e d he s h ow e.d these' as be.ing eastof b u.LLd Ln g ? Hr. Page advised yes, on vacant lot next 00l;, righton COl:ner of building, that lot is with property too. Mr. Hunterquestioned 7' from ground to b o.t c om , then an o t b.er 5' in height and6' in width,? Mrs.' Ta'nger questioned on land here in front of place?Mr. Page 'advi'se'd yes. Mr. Hunter q u e s t Lon e a. side;walk 5' from building?Ml:. Page 'a dva s e d y e a ;: fairly close" ab o'uc 5' platform, is those 4 •steps down, would say app r o x Lma t e Ly 10 '. Mrs.' Tanger 'questioned the:hardship on this? Mr. Hunter' questioned any particular reasoningfor signs? Mr. 'Page advised ,he, 'tva,s 'in business 'and nobody can see Ihim .c omLn g down r o a d be,canseno lights on t h a.t; s,i'de,of b u.Ll.d Lng nextto vacant lot. Mr. HuIJter q u e et Lo n e d . if he: had given any c.onsideratioto SOme sign perpendicular to building? Concerned him this sign onsidewalk al:ea. Ml:. Page ~dvised he' would go back. Pepsi Cola said2'" if it is .lmost in line with building' so can see it coming up anddown road. would go a Lon g with 'it. People 'cannot find it. Mrs.Tanger questioned' what ab o.u t lighted sign on building'? Hr. Page advisedMr. Gitsis did not wan t it f a s ten'e d on building wher e wind can blowit. Hr. Hunter' commented normally ,fJ:ee 'sw'inging ones s een , Mr. Pageadvised that is reason Pepsi Cola fe~t two ~oles wduld be: better' rightat COl:ner, can stay back further from aidewalkas far as he: ~s concerned.Mr. Hunter' f e Lt; anywher'ein that area same p r o b Lem , t h.Ls is whywonder~ng would he' consider' one ~~gn instead of two, located on

building? Mr. Page advised hewuld like to have any~hing over front.

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but wants 'something sticking out so' could s e'e 'it .from road. but talkedto Mr. Gits~w. he did not ~ant it attached to building. Mrs.' Tangerdid not think free swinging rea'lly that h e avy , Mr. Page adMise'd"he,liia one ~t Dther place on poles like that. set out ~n ~ront. Mrs.Tanger commented briilding wa~ not ~s ~lo~e. Mr. Page advise~ signwas -right out to road. c Lo s e'r than this would be. but; if they want itback further, it is 'all right" wi,th 'him, do not have to hold to 2 '"that w a.s 'Pepsi' Cola. Mrs', Tanger, questioned. if have one, on b u.LLd Ln g~..hy not have tw.o,'l Mr. Page commented eliminate 'tha't and put somethingin lighted, other waS just flat sign on door. If want to drop thatone all right with bim, need sometliing thit will light up. is hispoint. Ne,ed s ome t h.Lng lit up to let' people know.: Mr. Hunterquest:i.oned what hours 'anticipate 'and days when lighted1 Mr. Pageadvised from 4:DO to 11:3~ P.M. Monday through Thursday; 1:00 ~.M.

on Friday and Saturday; 10:00 ~.M. on'Sunday. Do not open before 4:00P.M., 1:00 ~.M. two nights. Wanted to, point out again, if want itback f u r t.h e'z- in line wi,th. building. it is 'all right.

On quest Lo n of Mr. Hunter if anyone 'p r e sen t in favor of or opposedto, this 'app Ld c a t Lo n , no one appeared.

DECISION: Unanimously denied approval of variance ~s reque~ted.

Unanimously granted variance to, erect a sign. 3~, x 4',maximum. internally lighted, perpendicular to andattached to front of briilding, double sided in lieu'of the tWQ signs applied fo~. Sign to be lighted duringoperating h o'u r a 'as 'set forth be,low~

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for a period of four years with the 'right to reapplyfor a renewal.

#7. Application of Don Schuler. 884 Marsh'all Road. for approvalto, operate a iawn mower, s n cw b Lowe.r s cgarden equip.' repair shop ona part time basis in. g a r a g e 'at home ,884 Marsh'all Road. E zone.

Mr. Schuler appeared be.f"ore the Board. He found it n e c'e s s a r y some timeago to, supplement hi's income some to, manage to, survive and came uponlaw mower repair s h o'p as convenience to neighbo:rhood to start out with.Enjoyed it quite a bi:t and has' decided at this 'point would like to, makeit his life's work and build business to live .of f and locate in G.hili.However has to become known and takes a period of time to get reputationestablished strong enough to, have enough work. to support family. so wouldlik.e permission to continue ~n in part time business until reachespoint where going to be ab Le to s upp o r t; them. Then intend at sometime depending on monetary situation, buy 'shop in Town and havecomplete garden equipment or Lat..n garden or snow mob Ll.e , whole typeof business.' Mr., Hunter inquired when say part time, what was hethinking of. wh.a t hours, what days. Mr. Schuler a dvLs e'd evenings athome in garage and weekends> depending on wo,rk and whenever have time.Mr. Hunter asked if he could tell them approximate s f.z e, of garagewhere propose to carryon business'? Mr. Schuler a dvLs ed it is aboutcar and a half he would say. ~bout 15' x ZIT'. Something of that type,existing, already one at house now., this 'is not for adding anythingon to do this wi,th. Mr. Hunter questi.oned if he had au t.oraob d.Le , morethan one?' Mr. Schuler' a dv Ise d had two.' Mr. Hunter took it these carsparked outs.ide1 Mr. Schuler a dvLs ed always have. never use gar<gefer e~ther of Cars. ','

Mrs. Tanger questioned if he hid discusse~ it with neighb~rs .s toamount ',of n o a s e ? Mr. Schuler advised yes', quite ex t e n's Lv e Ly , Comesa little 'later on in program. Un.fortunately one nei'ghb'o,r has hadoperation, cannot attend. another away , another at another meeting.All gave letters 'to present to Board. He then presented letters' tobe submitted' to Board. One h e td Ld not believe put address on, it ishouse to south side of him. 888 Marshall Road. Only houses in theimmediate neLghbo.rh ood , There is one 'other house', b u.t; they are inFlorida and have bean there for two month~ now and at time received

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letter did not h axre 'time to, contact them an d get response ba.ck fromth.em. Plan most likeTy to mov:e to, Florida, will not know. fo1;' sureuntil ab~ut March or April. Kind of island sttrrounding them ,fromPaul Road on Marshall. Mr. Davis ·advise·d. across' 'street will beschool property. Mr. Schuler agreed yes.

Mrs." Tan:ger questi.oned, wh.eo. say temporary. how many years envisionwhen get Lo c a t.ed' and buy? Mr. Schuler a dvI s ed h a.d hoped actually tobe able 'to, do it by: this year, ,it is something really wi,ll not know Iuntil summer., spring time, mow e.r b us Ln es s 'actually. Mrs. Tangerquesti.oned wa's thinking in terms 'Of two, or three' 'years?' Mr.Schuler did not beTieve wou Ld be: 'that long, wish'ed it was tomorrow.It is going to, depen.d mostly on finding location in Town can •afford. Here .ag a Ln , as 'far as to ren't it or bu.y it 'or something,depen'd Lng on h'o'w soon can actually support operation off of b us Lne s s,He. could probably do 100,',times rao r e j b us Lnes'sva f just located someplace. Mrs.' Tanger commented then when say two or three years,. givinghim gre.at deal of tim.e. . ,

Mr. Palermo questioned when going to need garage for two' cars'? Mr.Schuler. a dvLs ed b e.f'o r e started b us Ln e a s- h'ad an.ough junk to fillgarage in first place at that time. Wish b~d t~~ more car garage, neverenough room in a garage. Mr. Paler'mo questioned', he feel's if thingsb r.eak right', should n o t; be: more t h a'n two years? Mr. Schuler woul'cilove. 'z o. be', .ab Le 't o. do it this spring. Mr. Palermo questioned, if upto hfm would be: 'so'on~r? Mr. Schuler advised right.

Mr. Hunter questioned was he claiming any hardship t~ property itselfin this application? From what he said sounded like. case of business'use to improve his 'economic situation, but as 'far as property itsel'f,not anything t~ do with. Normally h~rdship is 'defined as situationin which something unique .ab o.ut piece .of p r op e r't.y ,~vhich would suggestsome 'use other than that for wh'fch normally zoned. Mr. Schuler adViSIed he could not do th~t. Mr. Hunter advised in situation like thislike, to. know feeling of people 'surrounding it. Mr. Sco.l.iler advisedhe could approach~est of people, strictly matter of time to getaround to, s ee them to ask them for this. Mr. Hunter did not f e e'Lat this s tag e , not necessary. If Board felt need, they would contacthim.

Mr. Millei questioned did he contemplate ~ign in connection with thisbusiness, this ~hop. Mr. Schuler advised no. Mr. Miller questionedhow ;yould he advertise? Mr. Sch u Le r advised only advertising what hadin Gates',-Chili, New's,. Would be, 'listed in yel'low pages. Anticipateimproving house' mark:Lpg nUJ;"ber. system someh.ow so, that somebody cante1'l where.884 is, either appropriate, n umb e.rs on mailbox or possibl.yone commercially built, r e dw o.od thing, stuck in ground with numbe.rson and refle~tive type ~e~ter~ng, b~t just some~h£ng of th~t

type.

On questiDn of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of or oppose~

to, th,is 'applicati'on, no one appeared.

DECISI'ON; Unanimously granted for a period of one year, or until SU.time as a permanent commercial location can be found forthe b us Ln e s s;' wh'Lche.ve r is the' .Le sse-r pe r Lo d ,

Approval granted with the statement to. applica.nt that as Ia general p r a c t L'c e .t h e Board does not f e e'L it is in the binterest of the' TO.wn' to allow c onaa r c LaL enterprises inresidential u e f.gbb o.rh o o d s , Ihe.'y' have, granted t.h Ls variance.be.cause applicant had the 'favo:r<ble support of at leastfour immediate. neighbo.rs. (per individual letters to the,Board) and bec a u s e . he. had indicated that this is 'a temporarysi'tuati'on.

No request was made or permission gr an.t e d for a sign inconnection with 'this variance.

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It was th~ ~nanimous ~ec~sion of th~ Board a letter be writtento the, Town Board advising Board had received several applicationsfor two-family homes' in the: last· year and half and they would liketo ask the Town Board whethei they might want to consider whetherTown,'s Zoning Ordinance 'sho'uld be: amen'ded to make some provision fortv.o-family h ome s ;:

Minutes of the' De c'embe.r. 16 .. 1969 b e a r Ln g and meeting we,re approvedas submitted.

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Feb'r,uary 24" ,1970

A P'ub Ld c Hearing of the Zoning Board of Appeals of the' Townof Chili, ,N.Y. was held in .the, Administration OfficeEl of the Townof Chili, s .v.', 32,3.5. Chili Avenue, Ro.ch e s t e r, N.Y. 14624 on February24, 1970 2t Bion :P.M. The Hearing was called to 'order by theChairman, Mr. Robart Hunter. '

Roll Call was as follows:

Present~ Mr. Robart Huntei, ChairmanMr. Charles PfenningerMrs.' Gertrude Tanger,Mr. John R. PalermoMr. Johri LighthduseMr. David FingarMr. Richard Harrington

Also p r e s e'n t e Mr. Danie.l L. Miller', Deputy Town AttorneyMr. William Davis, Superintenden't of Building

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Ill. Postponed h e'a r Lng on application of Elizabe,thLash, 139 EastAvenue, East Rochester, N.Y. for approval to convert andremode~ b~rn at 12U Morgan ~oad into a home, which barn containsa four room apartment which 'had been u s e d by, former owne r , b a.rnapprox. 25' from front lot line. EE zone.

Mr. Hunter advised that this une application the' Board had this eveninghad been postponed again due t~ illness in family and some oth~r

JIDbLems,' so they asked again to postpone this. The 'Boa z d agreed todo t h f's on basis next time comes back as n ew app Ld.c.ati f.o n ; it will beadve rtLs e d as was this time and notices will be. s ent; .to people, as Iwere last time.

DECISION~ Postponed.

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A 'Public Hearing of the 'Zoning Board of Appeals of the Town ofChili, N.Y. was held in the Administration Offices or the Townof Chili, N.Y. 32,3.5 Chili Avenue, Rochester, N.Y. 14624, .on March24" 1970 at8~OOP.M. The'Hea.ring wa.s 'called to 'order by theActing Chairman, Mrs., Gertruda Tangei.

Roll Call was as follows:'

Present: Mrs. Gertrude Tanger, Acting ChairmanMr. Charles PfenningerMr. John R. PaleimoMr. John LighthouseMr. David FingarMr. Richard Harrington

Also present: Mr. Daniel L. Miller. Deputy Town AttorneyMr. William Davis, Super~ntende~t of Building

#1. Application of Robert DelMonoche, 97 Mendota Drive, Rochester,N.Y. for approval to erect a house on sub~standard corner lot(northeast coin!J<;~, J,.,8G Charles A'l'enu~, lq~ 50' X ,120'" 45' fromfront lot line/add ~~orr8gr8rfiel~gfdtOfot~ffne. D zone.

Mr. Peter Sulli, Attorney with offices at 39 State Street, appearedbefore the Board representing Mr. DelMonoche. Advised this is anapplication to construct a split Lev'e L home "on s ub-cs t an da r d lot,SO', front, 120.' deep, comprising 6;000, .s q'ua r e feet' of area. Proposeto build home sitting back on Charles Ave~ue '45' and s e t.b a.ck 00. TheronStreet IS'. It is a corner lot and the oth.r side line would be 9 T

which leaves a ba~k yard depth of 35 t • The 'garage would be on theTheron Road side and would be under the bedrooms ~n the split levelhome. Aware of the fact they do not live up to the law areawise, donot conform to side line requirements and are making this applicationon basis of single, s e par a t e. own e r s hf'p theo'ry. Be'I:ieves this problemhas been presented many times be,forethe Board, sub-.standard lot, whichmeans it was subdivided prior to the date of the Zoning Ordinance,and that the lot has b e.an held in single separate ownership from thatdate, which means has not been combined with 'any adjacent lot, whichb r.Lngs it within the parvenue of a special class. inasmuch 'as theZoning Board cannot deny them the right to b~ild on this lot becauseof its special characteristic, being a aub-cs t aud a r d lot, and on thatbasis he would like to submit an abstract of title showing that thepresent owner Mr. DelMonoche and his predecessur in title have heldthis lot in single, separate ~wner$hip prior to date of zoningordinance. He would like to have it marked Exhibit A. (this-was done)and for the 'record, Exhibit A is abstract of title 'for lot l8G, b e.Lnga lot SOT x 120' in depth fronting on Charles Avenue and being cornerlot on Thereon Avenue. It will show that the reco~d owner of the lotwas Emma Kaminski in 1934 who s ub s.e qu e n t Ly died and title d'er'ivedfrom her heirs ~nd abstract of title goes as ~ar as title ~nto himselfand he would like to have de e'd from h f'ms eLf to Mr. DelMonoche pu t; intorecord as Exhibit B. (this was done). If Board had any questions hewould be. glad "t o try to answer them.

Mrs. Tanger questioned if he had a plot plan and Mr. Sulli believedone had been subniitted, which it had b e.en and was presented to Board,which showed 45' front setback, IS' on The~on, 9' side line oninterior line and 35' rear yard. Mr. Pfenninger commented thosehouses all 45,t along there and Mr. Davis 'commented they were in line.Mr. Sulli commented they do not conform to lot area and side lotline. Mrs. Tanger questioned if lot next to this vacant and'Mr.Sulli believed it is. Mrs. Tanger questioned if any attempt to securethat lot and Mr. SuIIi would say offhand has been attempt to,locateowners of adjacent lot. Mrs. Tanger q~estioned if he had when heowned it? Mr. Sulli advised canvassed this ptetty thoroughly.

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East A\lcuue. EasL Ro"hc\tcr. rcr ap-,_, "I:I-ro.al to ,Quven and ~mo<iel harn I.' '.:I-I 1;l.{l Mcrlj:l.l1 RQn.:J. lt1to a. h"m~.

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form~r owner, barn approx. 7.:1' 'froTl'., h-ooc 10l line. EE. zone.~4 APptl>:a.tion of Jam~1O W, Snyder. 1100 I:::-, 'Brooil.$ A,.;:", for approval to e-csct a 1,'" . Fotoroa.t· MeI:':LlauQ;$i:1l!: jsland in \, 1'9""11 Plaza Sb"OPl'>ing. Ceuler. l,Inilll1 I'~., S[~ 8: Buffalo- Roa~" on front of een-: i_~, , te.c. -Oil J;lufCal0 RQac> slde, 6i:)' from I ,

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PO~l 1930, e-o DonElld C1'lrpent~r,~10'_' t:ommWlder. 4Sl Che;;tm\t RLc.ge '

ROMI. Rocb~ter. New York 146':4.",'=, );0£ approval t:o f'reet anq: r.1ainm1n Q''-': "..;.., 'Private ClUb Hol.lsc: a11d. Cllla[C'd' ,&:e·1u • ""'-' :teauon Areas, 0:1 a PIW.:d of lW1d'lf';: ,-, Si:l~ a~pro:drniltd.l'. St~ (6) a~. 1Q-!,;;' ~~: cll.le4 on the north west Soid~ of 0 ,.1

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not including garage area, just living a r e a., t1r. Davis 'questionedhow many square feet in top level', he wa'sadvise'd it was sp'lit level.Mrs. Tanger questioned if it was being built for his own occupancyand Mr. Sulli advised for sale, balieved he had a contract, it willbe, s oLd , not z e n t e d ,

Mr. Miller' would l.ike to put on rec,o,rd, Leg'a L c ou n s e L for the ZoningBoard, would like to hive opportunity to, examine ,abs~ract as well ~sany related documents filed' in Monroe 'County ClerkTs Office 'pertain-ing to this particular lot. Mr. Sulli ques t Lon.e d , for record, couldthey stipulate Mr. Miller has examined deed marked Exhibit Bandreturned to Mr. Sulli. (Mr. Miller examined the deed wh,i.ch wasthen returned to Mr. Sulli).

IMr. Miller questioned Mr. Sulli did he' 'say he' kn-ew' owner, of adjoininglot? Mr. 5ulli advised not offhand, just made 'remark c anvas s'ed a r e a ,and if had been able to pick up any lo~s in this area, would have doneso by now. Also advised would like to amend notices seut out thatlot was .on no r t.h e a st; .c o rne r not n or chw e.s t; (Rate: was advertised innewspaper legal notice as northeas~, notices to adjacent propertyholders and applicants stated northwest).

Mr. Palermo queitioned did he ~ay he was not bu~lding. contractingbuilding? Mr. Sulli advised h~ ~s ~ctual bu~lder a~d under contractto sell house to buyer for residence. Mr. Palermo. questioned, inother words, someone interested in house? Mr. Su1li advised yes, heis under contract. Mr. Miller questioned what siz~ of garage be~ng

incorporated? Mt: Sulli advised it was underneath bedroom. Mr.Miller questioned is it single or doubLe garage? Mi. Sul1i feltd oub Le , Mr. DelMonoche advd s e'd it wlis 11' x. 26:'. Mr. Hiller'questioned would be possible if s.ub s.e q uen t; owne r to proposed h o'us ewanted to build second garage, he could come in from side street?Mr. Sulli commented if wanted to bu.LLd separage garage would be. Icloser' than IS' ,Mr. Mill.er, felt could be: bu'ilt by, this garage,'realized would b~ing it closer. Mr. Sulli commented would have toTget permission from Board. Mr. Miller f e Lt; on 9' side could notget car down line.

Mr. Sulli advised all utiliti~s are in.

On question of Mrs. Tanger if anyone present in favor of or o pp os e'dto this application, no one appeared.

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,1£2., Application of Wm. J. & Sally SouLe s , 2133' 'Westside Drive, forapprov~I,to extend existing garage to within 8' of e~st side(amended at hearing to 8.6')' l'oi:: line ,(l,ot ,90' x 167')at 2131'We~tside ririve., E zone.

Mr. Soules appeared before the Board. Sk e tch of lot, together with'sketch of house outline and proposed addition submitte~ to the Boardfor study. Would like ~o make a~plication to extend east wall ofhouse which is garage wall out, II' to make room to' accomodate •second car garage, same line, just moving wall out, adding anotherdoor, coming within 8.6' of east line.' Mr. Pfenninger quest:i:onedhow far was his n e Lghb o.r there. Mr. Soules' tho'ught 20'-25: 1 • They Itold him they were in favor, had to be out of town tonight. Mrs.Tanger ques.tioned that i<! house' t ha t .is for sale? Mr. Soulesadvise:! yes, is on corner lot, t h e Lr gar~ge 'comes in off EvergreenDrive, th.inks .b~ut 25'-jO' of side yard. Mr. Palermo questionedside yard or back yard? Mr. Soules felt same difference, use itas side 'yard. Mrs. Tanger quest Loned what distance from theirb~ilding to his garage? Mr. Soules felt appears 30~38'. Mr. Fingarquestioned his prese'nt, garage s Lza and Nr. Soules a dvLs e d 14' x 21.2 T:.Mr~ Fingar questioned stairs ~n it! Mr. Soules advised yes,pedestrian walkway ~~ith entraJ;l.ce,goi,ng into kitchen and c e L'l a rentrance, etc. Reason for additinn, sa do not need yard shed tostore lawn mower, bikes, etc. would like to' have it all in onedVlelling. Mrs. Tanger ob a.e r v e d really, gives considerabl'e distancewith neighbor's driveway coming in 'from othe'r street' and b e.Lng on


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corner. Mr. Soules 'agreed yes. The sketches wer'e studied and itwas noted ~e was asking for 8.6' from lot line. With II' additionhe was still 8-i!2'from line. Mrs.' Tanger que s trd one d if he wi.shed toamend the application to 8-1/2': and 'Mr. 'Soules' 'advise'd yes, wouldlike and II' addition, and it would be 8.6' from lot line.

On ques r Lo n of Mrs. Tanger if anyone 'present in favor of or opposedto this application, no one appeared.

DECISION: Unanimously, granted

tl3 .. Application of Elizabeth Lash; 139. Bas t. Avenue, East Roche'ster,for approval to c onve rt and remodel' ba'rn at 120:, '.Morgan Road intoa home, which barn contains B four room apartment ~hfch hadbeen used by former owner, barn approx. 25,' from front lotline. EE zone.

Mrs. Lash, together with Mr. Sam Gallo appeared' before the Board. Mr.Gala was 'a little interested in this s ee'Lrrg has adjoining 'propertyand Mrs. Lash b o.ugh t; this with intention of resale. Made coupleof sketches, whi~h he presented, just proposed, two people interestedin it, fellow that came up first time,' Mr. Walker, and another fellowinterested in same type thing. Everyth:fng contingent upon variance.Will be. three dormers on each side, buyer will have to agree tothose sketches. Showed this to other fellow interested, he came upwith idea garage doors will be pulled around side and taken off.front,so no entrance there. Stairs to side and other wall, way graded now,with dirt, real high. Mrs. Lash painted on copy of Tape 'LocationMap where entrance would be on side. Plan to reserve 60' right ofway between two properties which will give easement on extra lotsback of barn. Property has 'all been surveyed, 60' right o f ~i1ay

on side. Lot .is 123,' x 20:0', right of wa'y on west' side. Mr. Gallowowns west adjoining property. One of reason why has not sold withbarn sitting there, why con cer'ne d as to ~,ha't happens too, Mrs. Lashis his wife's ~randmother. He lives at corn~r on Kre~zer Road.Mrs. Lash thought Mr. Waller had brought in floor plan 'and plan showingwhere barn sits on lot and also list of neighb~rs ~n favor of it.but she wa's advised he had ·not.

Mr. Fingar questioned if barn structurally worth rebuilding and wasadvised it was bu.LLt; like Rock of Gibraltar, not, old b e.ams ;: laminated,it is 39 years 'old. Mrs. Tanger questioned they were planningto sell this and have someone else do the woxk? Mr. Gallo advisedtwo parties interested, contingent with variance b e.Ln g granted.Mrs. Lash advised when another broker called, wanted to buy it for hors~~

she said did not think would be, allowe.d' in resi-dential area •. Mr. Galloadvised plans will be subject to change a little, depending on futurebl.J!>E'rs' ideas, b a.s Lc a Lly this is what would like to see' done with itand can more or less hold them to_ basic idea. Mr. 'Palermo questionedthe dLnien s Lon s of the barn and was 'advised Oltsi'de 32,:x 42" inside30 x 40. Would not be that much ~n top because of roof. Mrs. Lashadvised former owner lived in apartment. Mr. Pfenninger advisedSeverance 'lived in it summertime. Mr. Gallo a dv Ls e.d it was ba.il"t;;Ln 1939.

The plans for remodelling as suwsted by Hr. aula we,re studied byBoard. On plot ~lan Mr. Gallow pointed out where barn actually sits,pointed out suggested righ~ of waj 60' in b~tween and couple of lotsup fu back. 32 r actually is on Morgan Road side. On question wheregarage would be" Mr. Gall:o f e Lt; Cu.,sing sketch) coming in under hereand underneath so will be ~ff r~d. Plot plan did not really showthat. Mr. Palermo questioned when it was ~ast occupied al an apart-ment. Mrs. Lash advised year bafo~e sh~ bought it in 1964-65. Mr.Gallo advised rented out for thiee or four years, young couple livedthere for three or four years. Mr. Fingar questioned h~w many yearsabout? Mr. Gallo could not tell how many years Mr. Severance livedthere, but rented three or four years.' Mr. Miller questioned to hisb e.s t; kno's Le dge when last r ent e d out for living quarters? Mr. Gallowould say 1960-62" back in there somewhere. tolrs. Lash has had itfive years and probably vacant for two-three years. Could find out

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exactly, but these are rough figures. Did not know if ever wentthrough Town, Board whe'n place 'c onver't.e d, Water no p r o'bLem now.

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Mr. Pfenninger questioned if any lots between this lot and Mr. Gallo'sand Mrs. Lash pointed out their lot and right' of way where 'they ownlot and two lots. Leaving 60', right of way, t.h o'ugh t if area doesbuild up will be two more lots could sell off, 100', x 200', andhave access to them. Mr. Gallo's lot in front 500",600'., b o.r dez Lngon Krenzer.

Mrs. Tanger questioned she said she purch~sed this about five yearsa go ? Mrs. Lash advise,d either five or six, Mrs. Tanger questionedwas this just for speculation? Mrs.' Lash advised yes, good valueand did it to protect Gallo's property. '

Mr. Palermo questioned Mr. Gallo he was un west side? Mr. Galloadvised yes, but could not see barn from his property. Mr. Palermoquestioned how far back ~as h~ and Mr. Gallq advised he is 60'. heis on Krenzer Road.

Mrs. Tanger questioned if this was going to ba~st a house. notapartment? Mrs. Lash ~~d Mr. Gallo ad~ised yes, will not b~ anyapartment. Mrs. Tanger questioned this will b~ converted into singlefamily? Mrs. Lash, .'advised trying to improve, neighborhood, it is aneyesore. Water is through, t h e r'e 'is now no problem about water

Mrs. Tanger questioned the hardship. explained this Board can onlygrant variance on hardship. Mrs. Lash 'advise'd just hardship withcost of insurance, taxe~, water and no income the'way it is now.Mrs. Tanger questioned the apartment has not been rented since shepurchased the' property? Mrs. Lash ~dvised no, she ne.er attemptedto rent it.

Mr. Pfenninger questioned how far on east side 'is their bu.ilding Ifrom neighbor's lot line? Mrs.' Lash advised plenty of space onboth sides, it is not 100' lot, l23 f lot.

Uiocu$sion was had by Board and Mr. 0010 with reference 'to the heightof the barn. After discussion it was 'determined for the' 'record backof building 32'. above grade and b o'ti t.om of roof 23.' ab ove grade.Mrs. Lash 'felt too good a bdilding to stand the'reand decay. Mr.Gallo felt there were. so many p os s'Lb Ll.LtLea 'that could be done. withit, if barn is too high. but a shame to. touch 'it r-ea'L'l.y , but ifdid it himself would' actually get height down a little b Lt; , anda lot more tax money in that. Did n~t, know what would be asse.sedfor, but would hot detract from it. Only th~nk here for ton~ght

can a variance be. granted to convert and remod~l? If anything e Is e,recommend, would be 'more than glad to try and get' it.

On questioh of Mrs. Tanger if any one ~re$ent in favor of or opposedto this application, n~ nne appeared.

DECISION: Granted to remodeL barn into a single family residence,with the stipulation that plans for remodelling the barn •be presented to the Zoning Board of Appeals for theirapproval be-fore 'a bu.LLd Lng permit can be, issued.The following wa's the vote of the 'Board: IMr. Harrington, ayeMr. Pfenninger ayeMr. Lighthouse aye'Mr. Fingar opposedMr. Palermo opposedMrs. Tanger aye.

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#4. Application of James W. Snyder. 1100 Brooks Avenue. forapproval to erect a Fotomat Merchandising Island in Town PlazaShopping Center~ Union Street & Buffalo' Road. on front ofcenter on Buffalo Road side. 60' from front prope~ty line.B. zone.

Postponad~ at ap~licant's request until April meeting.

#5. Application of Chili A.erican Legion Post 1830,. c/o DonaldCarpenter, Commander. 483 ~hist~ut Ridge Road, Rochister. N.Y.14624, for approval to erect and main~ain a Private ~lub Hous~and related Recreation Areas, on a parcel of land. Siz~ approx.six acres .. located on the no r t hwe s c side 'of Chestnut RidgeRoad, 640 Chestnut Ridge Road; (riow owned by Rudolph Ka{ser)Chili, N.Y. E zone.

Application withdrawn.

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April' 28., 1970

A, Pub Lf,c Hearing of the Zoning Board of Appeals 'of the: Town ofChili, N.Y. wa,s heTd in the' 'Administration Offices', of the Town ofChili, N;Y: 32.35 Chi'li Avenue, Ro ch e's tre'r. N.Y. 14624 on April 28,1970 at 8:00 ~.M. The Hearing was called to orde~ by the Chairman,Mr. Robert Hunter.

Roll Call was as follows:

Pres'e'nt:, Mr. Runter, Ch,a'irmanMr. PfenningerMrs. Tanger,Mr. LighthouseMr. Fingar

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ifI. Postponed application of James' W. Snyder, 1100 .B'ro oks Ave.,for approval to e~e~t ~ Fotomat Merchandising Is~and inTo't;n Plaza Shopping Center, Union Stree't & Buffalo Road,on front of center on Buffalo Road side, 60 T from frontproperty line. B zone.

Application read and applicant called. No one appeared. The:application. was reread at end of agenda. still no one appeared.

DECISION: Unanimously den~ed due to non-appearance.

112.', Application of Kenneth 'Rockow, 84 Black Creek Road, for Iapproval to, operate a dog kennel'. at 84 Black Creek Road,with a maximum 'of three adult 'dogs (I,rish Setter's) D zone.

Mr. Rockow appeared before the Board and sub~itted sketch of plotshowing lot and location of prope~ty and pointed out where fenceeas. 'All has ~s some she:lter, two runs. ch~in link fence 5' h~gh,8' 10ng,3":'l/2': wide, concrete' floors, wire top and bottom.Dogs in garage, thre~ ~ogs right now, in hduse ~s show dog. Hasalr~aay hid' dogs and us~ jar~, just hid it fenced in. W~nters eas o'n does 'not leave ch em out. One 'should be: 'coming in in Julyand a g ad n in August', not ou t; .th e'r-e , out in winter mon rhs., comes,again in Febr'uary, so wo.uLd be out in April. May and June. Hr.Hunter que stLo ne d' hi's experience and Mr. Rockow a dvLs e'd had raisedthem and h a d field trials wi'th dogs and chi'ldren b ou gh t' new onefor Ch r'Ls trmas which 'made 'four dogs and only three would like 'tokeep it if possib1.e.

Mr. Fingar questioned did he unde r e t'and one dog older' dog? Mr.Rockow advised yes, one could go tomorrow for last ten ~ears. Mr.Fingar questioned when dog passed away would he replace 'it. Mr. •Rockow advised no, go ba~k to, two. Mr. Hunter questioned if twofemales,: Mr. Rockow advis e'd all are females'. Longest would havelitter of pups would be: twel'V,e we:eks, but each of t~(TO would be haviDlpups. Kept the runs clean and it was all concrete.

Mr. Hunter questioned apparently had one 'person object to hishaving 4th 'dog, b u.t how do neighbors 'in general reel ab o.u t; threedogs l' 1'1r. Rockow did not think anyone will now had run on, andtwo did say would come and say did not care, but not here, onlyhas three dogs, not four. Mr. Hunter commented he: wondered howrreLg hb o.r s feel' ab o'u t; it. He did not have anyone across' street?Mr. Rockow advised all vacant lots. Mr. Hunter commented he wason corner and someone on back and one off to right? Mr. Rockowadvised yes. Mr. Fingar questioned if theyoorked a lot? Mr.Rockow advised no, only wh e'n someone came vlho did not b e.Lo n g there.'Weie all Irish Setters, all had papers. wo~ld be his inten~ to

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that she is principal clerk in the office of THE TIMES-UNION a daily

newspaper published in the City of Rochester, County and State aforesaid,

and that a notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, was published inthe said paper on the following dates :

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Legal NorieeZONING BOARD OF APl'"EA1..S.

. . Chill. N.Y., ., ~"H~tke '15 lteteby ~Ivetl:' tli~t lbele- •.'fijll"be a Public HearIng of lbeI zc\nins Bonld of App,als of .IIte To~o

oi,~tlill to be held in the Chill Admllt·i~On' OlElec, ~2:>S Chili Av~,!e.J!.Q1;hcow,N.Y. 14624 on APIU 28, 1~ ,0at 8:00 P.M. to eonsldot the fol1owll1g 1ap1"Jications: • 4.."#1. POSlPC'n~d appll~atlott of James

. -'~.~- W;-:-SnyMr. 1100 Brooks AVl:llUc. for .apploval 10 el«1 .. i'otomat MClchan· ~"<l!r.ins Island In Town l'Iaia. 'Shopping .Cenler. Union Sucot & /lurlalG Road,<JI1 front of center on B'uffnlo Roadside; 60' from' !font property. ·line. ]I;/,One. . .-#2. Application of Kenneth Rockow,14 Black Creek Road, for awrG\ a I torGe;,r\~tt{ ~~t~:~~fBt\':~;c C:d~\4tns. (Irish Setters). 0 zone.~~. Applicatioll. of Richard, Ziegler.

.c7i Stony Point Road, for approval to~Ie a rroit and vegetable.. stand In- y.t Oar Wastl located at 12"20. ville Road., and erect sl8n, ~O· x

ligjtted, altaclled 10 bulldln;.. A.

zc~. ApPlieallo~ of I'tanci!J;·&. A'rtllS<Ji..walm. 2037 Westside Dei,'e, for ap·proval to erect ~·Za.ragc 18"~ U' to sid-r:.pC home, with fiunny room 18' " IS'

,,'lTh~~ ~ ~J:.e!L~t r~'fym :-.f.~e :~~isting 1'0l'l'b. CO become part Gf e"i,UIli

"~~:n.J\PPlil:ation of John Foketl. 35Morrison Avenue. for rrpproval to erect.z. 13' 'X 22' garage, atuu:T!.ed to hO)lm:at-:3~ Mornson Avenue, 3' from west~~. kit line, 16' from rear lot line, lot.. soc.::<: 120' in D :!POe.J46. c~rli~~~~,,;f f~csi~pr~;~lle~erect advertising real estate. ~ignt 4r X 8'two,faced. on propetty located at ChUiAvertue, Cold...a~ "Road, lccated asprllr.t1~:';I\~t~~igh Bolog~R.L Realty.IDe.• 474 Oak Str.et, for approval.o 'er~1 tlVO signs, 7' x 7'. 20' froln front . t'lQtJ,jl\e, 16' l1Igh; 'at 320 Ba1U>ntYDe Rd.

~cAPPticatl6Ii'of Herman &,it;, 974Ci>1divnter Road' fo, 3'pPt'O'{jl] to elect _,~(4~tx:* 17a[ag~~JJ~~~ ~~~.sl~ l .

ZO~9: Ar;.IICStid...· of Daniel Nlcho~as,=- ~~[;;,~eRr;rd, af£Je~r~~va:tg;:' f~cued al 60 Paul Road, located - S~·from center Une of l' aut &""d, no-from ri,ght lot 1iI1. and 29()' fro'n leftJot line, tW<>-slded, 4' K 16', 5' fromgrouod. lighted. ~ .0.",.# 16. Application of Archer Homes.

Inc .. -4Saddle Back Tean. lor appI¢Valto renew varianc:s:: for ·Stgn ad"eItisingIsU1xllvlsion, sign 4' x S', 012 lOt :2. be-IOl; 66 Ches\nut Ridge Road. E zone.#11. Application of Robfo~l Mill-

Andrews COW.. 24 Setantom st., ~orapproval of special permn to build in-dustrlal warehouse and. di~lribllt<OI2 .op-eration building ontot frootln$,' ol2'1'ro· .posed extenslon to Jetvlew Drlve ill Azone. under Section ~So-a(3)•.# 12. Application of Rose Nemeth,

131' ScoltsvUle Rand. for approval to,[enew: varlance granted for 3 Y x 6'illuminated sign, approx 24' from Scotts-ville Road. located at 1315 ScotfsvillelWad, A [one.All interested parties are requested to

be pr=nt, By Order of the Cbairman01 tho Zonln!!, Board of App.als 01 tho'Iown of Cluli, New York. I

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On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone jresent in favor of or opposedto, this application, no one appeared.

DECISION: Unanimously grant~d for a period of five years ~r aslong as the' applicant is own.er and operator of thekennel, whichever is the shorter ~riod, with amaximum of three adult dogs.

#3. Application of Richard Zieg'ler, 474 Stony Point Road, forapproval to operate a fruit and vegetable stand in one bayat Car Wash located at lZ2U Scottsville Road, and erectsign, 30". x 30"" unlighted', attached to building. A zone.

Mr. Ziegler appeared before the Board and submitted simple sketchof what wished to do. 16 r x 24.' bay wi.th counter 4'. wide, overheaddoor, and 4' wi,de 'inside 'b.,y. Mr. Hunter qu.e s t Lone d the 'Car Washhad $outfive bays?' Mr. Zieg'ler advised six and this would be incenter. Mr. Hunter believed he had talked with Board last month.he was not present at that meeting, but understands he discussedwhole idea. Perhaps he was 'asked at that time, but could he' tellhim the setback from Scottsville Road or property line. Mr.Ziegler did not know; thought it wasabo.ut 50'.-60' from lot line.:l'lr. Fingar thought at the first hearing Mr. Schuler had s a'Ld 80 ',.Hr. Ziegler' advised' Mr. Schuler had told them the first time, buthe did not remembers.' Mr. Hunter' questioned ~yh.at hours 'and daysof week would h~ contemplate operating this and Mr. Zieglerinformed him 10:nQ A.M. to, 8:0Q P.M., six ~ays, closed Monday.Mr. Hunter questioned sign to be unlighted and attached tobu~lding? Mr. Zieiler advised overh~ad door and panels betweendoor and right on wall simple painted sign. Mr. Hunter advisedhis only ·concern is one of traffic, amount coming in and off andcloseness to road. Realized Mr. Ziegler had talked to Board aboutthis, but had hi's 'own reservati'ons.

Mr. Lightb.o'use'questioned he would just have this in summer andfall, not in winter time? Mr. Ziegler advised yes, during season. Mr.Hunter questioned, would be roughly May through September? Mr.Ziegler felt that would be a lit t Le 'later', October harve s t t tme ,

Mrs. Tanger advised, upon checking back minutes,' it was 100' fromroad.

Mr. Hunter questioned he believed Mr. Z6egler did say he would ba:willing to do this 'on trial basis of one 'year to see how itworked? Mr. Ziegler advised yes, he .ou1d be willing to do this.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of oropposed to this .pplication, no one appeared.

DECISION: Unanimously granted for a period of one year, with theright to reapply for a renewal~ with the stipulation allrefuse to be stored inside the building in a closed container

114. Application of Francis J. & 'Ann Sch~Yalm. 20:37 Westside Drive,for approval to erect a garage 18' x 24' to side of home, withfamily room 18' x 18' at rear of garage, 5' from east side lotline in D zone. Lot 70' wide--8~ e~isting porch to becomepart of existing kitchen.

Mr. Schwalm appeared before the Board. Sketch of what planned wassubm.itted to. the Board for study. Whowe,d existing home and theproposeu garage and family room. Mr. Hunter questioned he wassuggesting this dist'ance '!yhich would be east side of proposed garagewould be. 5' from lot line? Mr. Schwalm a dv Ls ed yes. Mr. Hunterrecalls homes ~D both sides of the house, what was distance of homeon east side from common lot line? Mr. Schwalm advised has 7',these were 70', 10% of lot. Mr. Hunter obaerved, so distance from~roposed garage and existing home would be lZ'., 5' on his lot and7' on neighbo.rs. Mr. Schwalm advised right. Mr. Hunter observedessentially about car and half garage. Mr. Schwalm advised two car

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Mr. Hunte~ commented and family room on back. Mr. Schwalm advisedright. Mr. Fingar questioried when built this 'house was ~ide linel'? Mr. Davis' advised was '10% of lot at that time. Mrs. Tangercommented ac t uaLly way garage, drivewa,y come s in. practi.cally'covers area now. Mr. Schwalm advised right. Mr. Hunter inquiredon which side .of neighbor's house was his garage and Mr. Schwalmadvised on east siae. Mr. Hunter questioned he presented hads LngLe car garage? Mr. s chwa Lm advised had no "garage at all, h a'dporch which wa~ coming off. Mr. Hunte~ questi~ned' did he plan tohave two cars 'in this garage? Mr. Schwa,lm advised yes, definitely.Mr. Hunter advise~ his only concern, which is his point of view, is12'. like to see something greater that this, something like 14'-15' b e tw e.en homes .. be, minimum. Mr. Schwalm advised they have ninechildren, have five married and many grandchildren, and when allgathered not e n ough space in house. Mr. Hunter realized couLdnot go great deal less £or two car~. Mr. Lighthouse questioned 24'~;ri,dth?' Mr. Schwa'lm a dva s e'd' depth, 18' proposed wi,dch. Mr. Hunter,studying sketch '.obs~erved' only way would be: 'e Lf.mLn a t e this porchand move ~arage over there. Mr. Schwalm agreed yes. but thatpart of proposed' kitchen, if could do' it, and enlarge existingkitchen. Mr. Lighthouse questioned if planned one big door andMr. Schwalm advised two small doors. Mr. Lighthouse' questioned ifcould get' car in. Mr. Schwalm explained how c ouLd be, done with two,doors 'and an Ls Laud ' in center. Mr. Hun t e'x ques tioned en trance tofamily room and Mr. Schwalm explained it on sketch, explaininghow 'come 'from kitchen.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone p r e sene at the hearing infavor of or o pp os ed to this 'application, no one appeared.

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Is. Application of John Feketi~ 35 Morrison Avenue, for approvalto erect a 13' x 2Z' garage, attached to home at 35 MQrrisonAvenue, 3' from west side lot line, 16' from rear lot line.Lot SO' x12~' in D zone.

Mr. Feketi appeared before the Board and tape location map showinglocation of h o'u s e 'on lot and where p r o p o s ed to put garage waSpresented to and studied by the Board. He has no garage at present.It will be. 13 r wide by 2l'~ long and 3 ", from side Jot line. 16' fromrear. Lot back of it is County lot and vacant and lot n ext; tohim is vacant. There is just one vacant lot next to ~im. Mr.Pfennin~er inquired how far house next to him from lot line. Mr.'Feketi e xp La Ln e d' on side garage going to be', b ud Ld , vacant lot t.h e'zenow, thought 100' vacant' lot'. Mr. Pfenninger studied tape locationmap submitted and it was explained home on other si'de. Mr.Pfenninger q~estioned did it h.ve to be 13', wide. Mr. Feketiadvised other homes same as his with garages budLt; same way. 3 rfrom line. On Hmold Avenue and Charles Avenue and couple overthere bu~lt same ~ay and makes house ~ook better. Of course,getting car out' of driveway makes it look b e.t t e r' too. Mrs. Tangerquestioned if they built hi's house in the middle 'of the lot? Hr.Feketi advised no, 8 f from one side, 16" from other. Mr. Davisadvised variance 'granted 8'. could not put it any different. Mr.Feketi ob s'e z ved , as 'said, three others in n e Lgb.b o.r h o o d like that,and looked pret ty' good. '

Mr. Hunter, quest:Lored who owned lot next to him. Mr. Feketi, advisednew people. fellow who owns corner lot was 'old Ttalain,. lot on co r na rhe owned that and gave 'it to d augh t.e r,' ' Hetr'ied to buy 25' of lotn.xt to him, which is 100', ~ut h~ard Town would not go for th~t.

Mr. Davis advised him Town would not stop him any time he ,wantedto buy 25' and add it to his lot. Mr. Feketi advised lot was ownedby private owner. Heard ~as n6t allowed tD buy 25'. Mr. DavisadvJ.sed they would be. glad to s e'e it, sell 25:' on each side. Mr.Hunter advised the'y d'o not like to see lot b r.ough t down t.o sma Ll.e rstandards. Mr. Feketi thought his wife got ,it from somebody atTown Hall. Mr. Davis felt that would be: good, wou Ld be, 7'5' and 7'5'for the other. Mr. Feketi advised the own.e r had just one lot, ownedtw,o lots, one .f a c e s Morrison and other faces Harold. Mr,. Davis

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On question of Mr. Hunter if any one presen~ in favor of or opposedto this application, Mr. McCormick, 27 McNair Drive 'questioned t.heminimum lot size in D zone. Mr. Davise advised 80' ~.ide. 12,,000square feet ~n area. Mr. Hunter advised these lots were laidout sometime ago and were b e.Low .tho's e standards.

N? ODe further appeared in favor of or.opposed or to questionthe .app Ld c a t Lon , IIf6.' Application of ~es'ley Moffett" 20:44. Chili Avenue, for approval

to, erect adve r.tLs Lng real ee t.a t e. sign,- 4' x 8', two-faced"on property located at Chili Ave nue ,". Coldwater Ro.ad, locatedas presently ex'Ls z Ln g , B zone.

DECISION: Unanimously granted. •Mr. Moffett: appeared before the Board. This application has to dowith continuance .of exist'ing sign wh,ich has b e.e n in exLs tre nce forquit~ some years, which was used originally for sign for bu.s Ln e s aon site and after that application made to, Zoni.ng Board of Appealsfor permission to, use as 'real e s ta t e sign and continued for thatuse £0:1: that particular property. It fell down, however, put onnew supports and reerected it in about the same spot •. Perhapsa little \.ray from where was 'on old variance but substantially whereit was 'and this is application to continue this use and continuethe sign on its, p r e s ent s Lt.e , Mr. Hunter· questioned is the signthat says for sale, lease, etc.l Mr. Moffett advised yes, atChili Avenue, Coldwater Road, Paul Road interse'ction. Mr. Hunter'advised him for sign like this, if this is granted, prefer notfor period more than a year, if should find need to go further,wi:lling to lise-en, but that is wh,at would be conside'red. Mr.Moffe~t felt thit was O.K. with bim.

On question of Mr. Hunter if any one ~resent in favor of oropp o s a'd to, this 'application, no one appeared.

IDECISTON: Grante'd unanimously for a period of one 'year. wi,th

the right to reapply ~9r a renewal.

#7. Application of C.R.L. Realty, Inc. 474 Oak Street, forapproval to erect two signs, 7' x 7'. 2D ,from front lotline, 10', high, at 310: ,Ballantyne 'Road. E zone.

Mr. Pottei of C.R.L. Realty, Inc. appeared before th~ Board andpresented sketch of signs,' already erected 8-1D months 'ago. Didnot know of Ordinance. but were notified. Sign is '7' x' 7'.s upp or t.e d on back and ab o.ut; 32", off ground, not lighted. justpainted' signs.' Mr. Hunter, inquired doubl,efaced sign? Mr.Po t.tre r' advised two' s e p a r.a t e ·signs 'OIl Bal,laneyn'e Road. Mr. Hunterquestioned what period of time he would like and Mr. Potteradvised year would b e. all right, if had to renew in year O.K.Weie not aware of ordinance or would have 'made 'application in •first place.' Sign painter put them up. Mr. Milla.- questionednow on south side 'of Ballantyne; f o rm e rLy were on north 'side?Mr. Potter advised had one on north s Ld e 'at one 'ti'me. Sold Iproperty on north s Lde to man from Ridge Lumber Company.

The questioned arose if the ~orrect address was 32~ Ballantynethat was on north s~de. Mr. Potter advised originally notificationnotified' 320. Ballantyne 'Ro a d ; b u.t; the're is no numb e.r there. Mr.Bunter questioned but h~ ~id want th~m on south sideT He ~id.

Mr. Miller' commented' Ballantyne turns s ou t h , Mr. Fingar questionedwhere 3Z,O~, down' by vacant lot, where he thought 320, was next tolittle green hciuse. Mr. Potter advised 32.0, was number that Townnotified th~m.

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needed two signs.' Mr. Hunter felt if one ~ould do, would ratherhave o ne , Mr. Potter, advised' entirely up to, Beard. would liketo have two', one 'in prominent place where make turn.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of oro p pos e'd to, th,is 'application. no one appeared.

DECI.gI'ON~ Unanimously, granted' for a period of one year. withright to reapply fo-r a renew'al, but two signs to be-mounted back to, back to create double faced singlesign and to be located under direction of theCommissioner of PubLic Works/Superintendent ofBuilding •

#8. Application of Herman Dohr. 974 Coldwater ~oad. for approvalt~ erect a 14'5" x 26' gar~ge, 7' from south side 'lot lineat 97.4 Coldwater Road. D zone.

Mr. Dohi appeared be~ore the Board. Would like to amend application,if could, and have' '5' from south s ide 'lot line ins t e a.d of 7' makinggarage 16.5'. Tape 'location map was 'aubm.Lt t.ed , house pointed' out,and sketch s ubmd t t.ed , ' Mr. Hunter questioned if he rememberedright, the'nei'ghb'o,r had a fair sized lot. Mr •. Dohr advised 50'60'on side.' Mr. Hunter questiDned had he spoken to the neighbnrabout this. Mr. Dohr said he said bu11d right to line, he didnot care, no objection, and on questioned, advised ga r a ge aboutcar and half garage. Mr. Miller questioned how'£ar was ~losest

house to p r opo s e'd garage, how far away. Mr. Dol;1r a.dvLs e'd 50',-60'away to his garage. '

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of oroppose~ to this ~pplication, no one appeared.

DECISION: Unanimously granted~ 16.5' x 26', 5' f-rom south side lot lin'

#9., Application of Daniel Nicholas, 400 Ivestfall Road, forapproval to renew variance for advertising sign located at60 Paul Road, located 85' from center line of Paul Road, 110'from right lot line and 29,0.', from left lot line, t,yo'-si'ded4' x 16', 5' from, ground, lighted. A zone.

Mr. Nicholas appeared before the 'Board. Would like to repaintsign "For sale 'or lease 'of property" and Leave sign where it is.Mr. Hunter questioned sign is not currently Ld ght'e d? M-r. Nicholasadvised no, never got around to lighting it, ~id not propose tonow. Mr. Hunter que~tioned for how long a time did he need it!Mr. Niche,las 'replied hopefully not over a year. Mr. Hunteradvised the Board would not consider more, but would like itles~. Mr. Nicholas requested a year.

Mr. Miller questioned if he was going to move trailer businessback to this location. Mr. Nicholas ~dvised no, do not selltrailers now, but want it "For Sale". The sign in the windowis part 'of this s f.gn stuck in window. The other s Lgn would be,repainted to read the same. Mr. Fingar inquired, one up outdoorsrepainted', and wants two more! I1r. Nicholas a dv Ls e d no 'sign inwindow one half of sign out front, and half out front would berepainted' to be same, it is back to, back, two-faced sign. Mr.Fingar inquired if he was permitted to light this, what hours!Mr'. Nicholas did not want it lit, could cross this off, it isnot necessary.

On questLou of Mr. Hunter if anyone 'present in favor of or. opposed to this ~pplication, no one appeared.

DEC'ISI'ON Unanimously granted-for a period of one yea-r, withthe right to reapply for a renewal. Size of s~gn

4' x 8', sign to ba unlighted.

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IFlO., Application of Arche',r, Homes; Inc., 4Sadd1e Back Trail,for approval to re~e~'vlriance~or sign advertisings ubdd v Ls Lcn; sitl:n 4 T x 8', on lot 2,:' baing 66 ChestnutRidge 'Road. E z on.e ,' '

Mr. Albe:rt Simeone, Presiden't of Archer Homes appeared be.f'o r ethe Board and advised would like to extend variance for anotherye~r. Mr. Hunter questioned this is sign that is already upthere and Mr. Simeone advised yes. Mr~ Bunter questioned thisis not .Ldgh t e d and was 'advised no. .Mr. Hun t e.r questioned he'said h~ was ~nterested in another year? Mr. Simeone hoped itwould b~les's 'but way things 'are.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of oropposEd to, this ~pplication, no one appeared.

DECISION: TInanimously granted for a period ~f one ~ear, withthe right to reapply for a z e n ewaL;

fill. Application of Robfogel Mill-Andrews COTp., 24: Scrantom St.fOT approval of s pec LaL permit ,1::0 bu.LLd industrial warehou s e-and distribution operation buildin~ on lot fronting onp r o p o s e'd extension to Jet'view Drive in A zone. unde rSection 2BO~a(1). '

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taking a draw on mortgage, but before can do so one thing has todo is ~atisfy Bank's a~torney, to show ~ompliance with'Section 2g0~a of Town Law. which requires that th~e be access Ito the property over strip of land owned in fee by: mortgagorif it, does not .f z on t; on pub l,ic s tree,t o r road shown on filed'map. Jetview Drive as exists, is dedicated to ~own only to point.which be pointed out. south, line of property , and from thatpoint on proposed' road only and John' Rob f.o g eL individually ownsall of the' land here including that portion of proposed roadin his name and this parcel' budLd Ln g on is now owned' by, RobfogelMill-Andrews, 'Corp, d e ed has not 'yet: b e.en r-e c'o r d e d , will be:recorded, with' .mor t g'a g e whe'Ii t.h at; 'goes. on, but deed actuallyexecuted sometime in December, so what up a g a Ln s t;, simple wayto s oLve it would b e , ob v.Lou s Ly , for James' ,Robfogel .t o convey'in' fee this strip or part of it" to corporatio~ to get aroundp r ob Lem, but if does 'so' loses tax 'benefit of getting depreciationdeduc t Lcn b e.c'aus e: he is 'going to, be: putting in improv'emen'ts inthat road himself and d e du ct cost on 'individual income tax r e.t c r n ,So point of application is, situation presents 'pra'ctic'al difficultywhich comes' within section 280-,a(3)'. whi.ch provides, Zoning Boardof Appe~ls ~an make exce~tion to,that statute ~f finds ~s

practical difficulty.

Mrs. Tanger questioned where that would be coming in at present •time aad Mr. Farney pointed out where construction wa~. Mr.Fingar questioned he Wants to keep title ,Qf road in his name?Mr. Farney 'advise'd so' can deprec'iate cost .of improvements. in Imaking road. All be very simple if construction of briildingwere not going to be, done until after' road was, in or performancebond put up and so on, but they w an t e d to get going. a Lz e adyhave corporate risks vn constructioa of bUild~ng,' and wouldprefer' that 'to have, c ons t ru c t Lo n take place b e.f o z e any pavingdone on road. Mr. Bunter questioned if tbey hed started it~proceeded to get going on road in terms of legalities of makingit dedicated roa~? ~r. Farney .dvised AD, thinks plan to b~gin

withi'n next couple of mon ths., He had <bne n o t h.Lng on it yet'and did not think any perfoTmance bond submitted at this point.Mr. Fingar q u.e s tioned what assurance do they have will e n'd upas paved road, Town any assurance this will not be dirt road fornext twenty years? Mr. Farney was not sure of terms of dedication


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did not ben.eve the' 'exte n s Lon as 'drawn will be: ne ces s'a ry fordevelopment of further land thit remains on bath side~. Mr.Robf.ogel owns 'all other land around this road. Mr. Hunter.questioned wh~re ~oad proposed to eventually go. Mr. Farneya dv Ls ed as 'far aspreseu't proposal wo:uld e nd. in here (usinglayout) t,rit,h po s sLbLl.Lty of itbe.ing extended' further' n orthand out to Fisher Road. if Mr. Rob f'o ge L acquires new parcel'further to north. Mr. Hunter questioned presently deadeud andwill contitiue £or a whilef Mr. Farnei advised yes. notaccess' for p ub Ld c , All needs 'is 15' under statute'. so that isthe'ir problem. Town would have 'to, t ake 15', because' that is own's t a t.uze provisi'on. Tho'ught would be 'simpler, to handle 'matter'in this manner' as 'only wi,ll be temporary situation. Mr. Hunterquestioned could he make any estimate at this time as to whenhe felt 'this wo'uld be: ready for Town to make its dec'ision toaccept it nr not accept it? Mr. Farney felt it would be. ~ithina year he was 'quit~ sure. Mr. Fingar qu e s tioned Mr. Davis w a.sthat true' Town has to accept, road? Mr. Davis replied did notknow. was not 'att',orney. Mr. Miller a dv Ls a'd it had to be, bu.LLt; toTown spe~ifications. Mr. Davis advised could just be privateroadway and that is all. Mr. Farney advised they were underconsiderable 'pr e ss u r e to get first draw on mortgage and amountof work and delay involved in making usual arrangements to putup performance bond and if Town's acceptance of it, would causethe delay. Mr. Hunter questioned the present estimated completiondate of building, ready for occupancy. Mr. Farney believed naztDec emb e.r' •. Mr.' Fingar questioned what the warehouse was for andMr. Farney advised paper products. He was questioned if wastepaper and advised new paper storage and distribution. Afterchecking his file, he' 'advised De c'emb e r' 15. 1970 was date ofcompletion of 'cons.:ruction. Mr. Hunter ob ser v e d if strike comesoff. in trouble. If that come~ off. might have time to getroad dedicated'. Questioned. he says this is to be paper productsof some sort. actually stored.in building? Mr. Farney advisedthey can furnish that information. Mr. Hunter ,questioned. wouldbe distribut~on facility to distribute product to dealers? Mr.Farney really did not know, was not involved. no question abontuse. this is a Lre ady zoned as industrial park. Knows 'is distri-butian and warehouse center. some trucks going in and out, sodefinitely paved road needed. Mr. Hunter commented so would be.frequency of trailer and truck traffic. Mr. Farney really couldnot say. Mr. Miller advised this had all been gone over byPlanning Board. Mr. Davis advised wa~ all approved.

Mr .. Fingar questioned th~ section of road and Mr. Farney advisedTown Law specifically provides b u.Ll dLn g permit cannot be issueduntil property faced on dedicated street or on filed map or hasaccess strip brit Zoning Board can mak~ e~ce~tion for this. Mr.Fingar questioned if Board said no, could probably bu.f l t; 15'and satisfy this. Mr. Farney advised possible solution todeed 15' there, b u.t; it causes practical problems, b ec a us erequires 'change of mortgage description. requires another deed.requires some other thfngs ran up against, It can be done, butit involves, a lot of back tracking at this time, undoing thingsdone b e.f o r e , Did not think utilities, in that street right now.but in process right now of giving easement to RG&E for gas'and electricity along theie and'in that case the' mortgage basto cover all that as well. might have to cover more than 15' andanother problem.

Mr. Miller questioned width of existing Jetview Drive right of way.Mr. Farney advi.sed 60'. Mr. Mi'ller would submi.t that the Town.in all liklihood would not accept anything less than 60' rightof way. Mr. Farney advised talking abo~t 15' up from corner andall way acros. 60', so would have this parcel. would front 15' onthere but would then actually be eztended 60' acros. therelTechnically do n ot suppose. under Town Law make it ,15' x 15' atcorner. but ridiculous. could make it more certainly. It involvespossibflity of cutting off access to back and what will do iseventually dedicate 'whole 'thing to Town so t h Lnk would have tomake provision that that conveyanc e would t e xmLna t e on dedicationof rest o f street to Town. Felt this more direct and a dv Ls a bLe

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way to do it. If had p r ob Lem there as 'far as Town" made assurancestreet wi:ll be, put in.

Mr. Miller advised his understanding, that prior to balance ofwork on Jetv~ew Drive,' Frank Briener, ~greement was Town was tobe provided .a temporary cuL de sac' in .which snow plows .co uLdturn around. At' this 'time temporary c uL de sac washed out orknocked out 'by construction people. Talking about practicaldifficulty causing problems to, Town road peopLe , Personally felt, Idid not know .fLnan c I a L prob Lem, did not like bo.n d s .. nei,ther didTown Attorney. Would s trgge e t; require of client, letter of creditin amount equivalent to cover construction of 15' on 60' rightof way, to, Town of Chili. This wi,ll be: his recommendation' inExecutive Sessi'on. Do not wish' 'to play around with 'insurance •carriers, like letters ~f credit. Extensiun of access road ands upp oa ed to leave temporary cuI de s ac for plows. Felt some ofcontractors knocked out temporary cuI de sac which plows need.Mr. Davis did not think everyone in there. Mr. Farney did notrecall seeing one. Mr. Miller agreed certainly is not one inthere, now, if never ,was put in or wiped out b~ previous constructionpeople .'

Mr. Fingar questioned they did not have b ud.Ld Lug permit yet?' Mr.Uavis advised waiting for this.

Mr. Hunter questioned if they wanted more details on Mr. Miller'srecommendation and Mr. Farney thought that was ·feasibl,e. Mr. Millerquestioned did he honestly believe p oa sLb Le tax 'dediction .forindividual developer falls into s c'o pe of Le gLs La-t.Lve intent of this?Mr. Farney advised that is 'their argument, yes. T,here is substantialamount of money involved. Mr. Miller felt ,if t ha t; is their argument,thinks, legislative intent of th~s section~ but probably could makegood case: for it. Mr. Farney did not want case. just buildingpermit to get going. Hr.:-,Miller' added' Town, Law definitely gives Ithe right to apply to this Board in case of practical difficulty.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present to speak in favor ofor opposed. to this ap pLd.ca.t Lon , Mr. McCormick, 27 McNair .d r Lveque~tioned where the beginning of Mr. Robfogel's personal property.He was~vited to inspect th~ ~ap showing the building location onthe property and where Mr. Robf.ogel'sproparty was. and where thep r-opos e'd road was to go. He inquired in letter, of credit wouldthere be committment to this sort of plan or certain amount ofroad? It was explained to him it would be for the 15' of road.Mr. Farney advised deed to Robfogel Mill-Andrews gives with itan easement for access over this entire strip, all way around, sotrucks have right to come in and go in at any point along frontage,

No one futher appeared in favor of or opposed to this application.

DECISION: Unanimously granted w~th the following stipulations asconditions precedent to obtaining variance:

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2.:Le tte r' of credit for $5,000,. payable to the 'Town, ofChili. ...Owner in fee of th{s section of land 60' wide directlynorth of dedicated portion of Jetview Drive. giveeasement to Town of aili for parcel of land 60' wide Ix 15' long and second easement of area 150~ in diameterdirectly to the north abutting first said easement forp os s LbLe temporary cu L de sac. These easements forfuture road construction, and easements to b~ presentedto, the Deputy Town Attorney for ,his approval andfiling. Recording fee of such filing to be paid bythe owner.

1112.: Application of Rose Nem'uth, 1315 Scottsville Road. for approvalto renew variance granted for a 3' x 6' illuminated ,sign,approx. 24' from Scottsv~lle Road. located at 1315 ScottsvilleRoad. A· zone.

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Hrs.' Nemeth appeared b e.f'o r e 'th.e ,'Board. Advise'd they were locatedright across the s tre e t from the Burger place. Mr. Hunter questionedth'is 'is 'an illuminated' sign, whit are normal hours sign on? Mrs.Nemeth 'adv.ise'd' actually 24 hours, s ev'en days a we,ek, do not turn itoff, troubl,e with 'people remembering to t u r n it off and on, so stayson. Original application bi another ~arty, and th~y did not use it,then 'they bought b u s Ln e ss: ·tnere. Would like the sign fqr ~ametime as before, tw6 years,' with right to renew it. Mr. Millerquestioned they do not have Pepsi Cola sign on roof? Mrs.' Nemethadvised was down when they came, made lots of leaks 'in roof, thatwas off before t hey took over the place. Mr. Hunter questioned wasthere another sign on property nowr Mrs. He~eth advised the lot is,RG&E have 'contract to light' parking lot up and sign just be-forethat, wh,en changed hours put on building announcing now open from8:00 to 2::00. Sign will not be. there, just untii" people getacquainted with 'time, just for sh~rt peiiod, th~ri this w~ll be only \sign. Was 'Sallie sign given to original applicant. Mrs.' Tanger tquestioned she s a'f.d th'e Pepsi Cola s Lg n did make 'holes', in roof? ~,Mrs. Nemeth advised' her not to bu.ilding, when took down and neededwho'le roof. '

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of or opposedto this application, no one appeared.

DEer-SION: Granted for a period of two. years, with the right toreapply for a renewal.

Mr. Truisi', owner and bu.f Ld e r of commercial bu.ilding on Chili Avenueappeared b e.fo r e the 'Board' requesting permission to'make a change inthe bu.ilding plans on the building, which original permission had'been granted under 'a variance. He was 'advised he would hive tosubmit the request through regular channels, applying for a formalhearing.

Decisions lIIade on applications heard at previous hearings on whichdecisions had b e.en reserved'.

Hearing held March 24, 1970.

Application of Rc b e.r t; DelMonoche, 97, ,Mendoa!: Drive. for a p p r-ov a L toerect a house on s ub s.tanda'r d corner lot (northeast c o xn e r ) l8GCharle. Avenue, lot 50' x l2Q'., 45' from front lot line, IS' fromcorner side ~6t line and 9' from other side lot line. D zone.

DECISION~ Granted with 'the following v o t e t Mr. Bunter, ab s.z a LnMr. Pfenninger, aye, Mrs. Tanger aye, ~r. Lighthouseaye, Mr. Fingar aye.

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May 26:, 19 toA Publ~c Heari~g of th~ ZoningBoa~d of "Appeals of the Town of

Chili, N.Y. w~s hild in th~ ~dminist~ation Office~ of tbe Town ofChili, N.y.: 323:5 Chi'li Avenue , Ro ch e s t e.r, .N.Y -, 14624: 'on May 26,197,0at 8:00, ',P.M. The' ·He~ring was called to order by the 'Chairman. Mr.Robert Hunter.

Roll Call was ~s follows:

Present: Mr. Robert Hunter., ChairmanMr. Chirles Pfenninge~

Mrs. Gertrude ~angei

Mr. John R. PalermoMr. John Li'ghthouse' 'Mr. David FingarMr. Richard Rarri~gton,

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1f1. Application of John' s Wm. Frei'l. '1509'"Sco,ttsville 'Road. forapproval to erec~ an industrial sign 4', x 8', 50' from ScottsvilleRoad. as pe~ sketch to be. ~ub~itted. in A zdne at 1509' ,Scottsville Road.

Mr. Hunter questioned if Mr. Frei·l was p r e sen't; or someone representinghim? If so WQuld they come forwa'rd. please'and identify h dms eLf forthe record. Mr. Ken Taylor of Taylor, Wilson' & Company, Re.aL EstateBroker app e a r e d' before 'th'eBoard. Mr. Hunter asked if h e c o u Ld state'the reason for, thi.s req'ues'.t.' Mr. Tayler. a d v Ls e'd well. actually, whatt h.ey want to' do--thi's 'is 'industrial property and they wan t to develop Iit a s vs uch and ess·entially, lease the· 'property out for th'at purpose.Th~t is basically wh~t the: ~ign states. Mr. Hunte~ asked him todescribe it for the: Board. Mr. Taylor presented' a picture of the sign.Mr. Hunter quest'i'oned, this 'Si'gn is 'a'lrea'dy there, is t h at; what he wassaying? Mr. Taylor a dvds e'd' yes.· As s oon as they knew this was 'required, they came in and applied. Mr. Hunter que~tioned, it is apainted s f.gn , of wooden construction? Mr. Taylor advised' yes. Mr.Hunter ques.ti.oned' unlighted'? Mr. Taylor advised no lights. right.Mr. Hunter qu est Lo n e d what period of time 'they are requesting' to havethis sign? Mr. Taylor advised that he did not know., How ~~ they workthat? Mr. Hunter' advised' up to one year for a temporary sign for onesuch as 'this nature. Mr. Taylor questioned they you have to reapplyor something? Mr. Hunter advi.sed that's corr~ct. You reapply, pay thenormal fee and the Board will again hear the request and make its decision.Mr. Taylor agreed all right'. fine.' The'yf·lI try to do it for a year zhen ,Mr. Hu.n t etr ques.tLo ne.d. he would like a year? Questi'oned' if there were anyqu e s t Lons 'from the' Bo a r d on this -req'uest?

Mr. Lighthouse 'que s t Lone d if t ha t; sign was back 50', now? Mr. Taylorthought more than that. Mr. Miller,' qu.e s t.Lon e d if he knew .th e d Lmens Lo n sof this 'Particular sign? Mr. Taylor advised it's on the application ~ •four by six, or someth~ng. Mr. Hunter advised four by e~ght accordingto the application. '

Mr. Hunter explained the applicati.on to. those' p r e a en t; 'and inquired Iif anyone present in favor of or opposed to, th.is 'a p p La c a t d'on , No oneappeared.

'DECIB'ION: Un.an Lmou s Ly granted' for a period of one year.

#2,". Application of AIda LeP'o r e , 23:4. Fishe'r Road. for approval toe r'e c e a 59', x 43,", c omme r.cLaL bu.ilding, c on c r e z'e bl:ock and b r.f.ckfront with ~ 63 r front setb~ck from lot line, at 32~8 Chili Avenue.14', on west si'de 'ana. 10' on eastsi'de, approximately 6' from rearlot line, lot 114.64', x 90,'" B z o.n e ,

Mr. LePore appeared b e.f'o r e the, Board. Advised he' was 'here last year andmade ita little b Lt; .s nraLl.er , Gue s sed they could s e'e it on nh a'r'e ,

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and that a notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, 'I\-'aS published inthe said paper on the following dates:

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til1:t~ will be 2. publk: It=arinll: of w,¢~ Boar4 of App~ats of th~ nW)1~r'Ch1J;:. to be h~ jn the: CI:1i1i Adlnin-is~fBt!1Kl Offia, 323:l" om A""1';llut,'Roeh~t~'. ~ .Y. t~'Z4 on Mal' 2:6" 1~1<)at 8:00 p.M. to ~ons.l.d=r tJ1~ [Oilowillga.ppUc:atTOm.: . '..1, .4.),'lpt!eatiol1 or J 0Im .to WlQ:. Freit,

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1. Application ot Aldo l-~l'ore. Z34FW:ef Road, for appro ....al to erect 3-·!9~.,~H' OOffiTl1tr(:ial b-tllld:log, concretebl<Jcl.: lUlQ 1;lrj~'" front 'With a. G:;" ft"ntloerl:!ad; from lot line••af 321& CIrlli Av-~Il'=. J4' on west side .and 10" on ca!tside. ~ro:t. Ifl' from. real' lot line. lotH4.iiI'}I9l)·, lJ ZQD.t. .3. Apptl,:.a.t\on .:>f Ml:Il'oIin Gitnb=r.

19Q9 W<:S't$tdl$ Dciye" for ap.!il'Oval to-7~ TOClf ClI borr..e· at 1909 Wes1$td~!)rh·. In crd~r to make- 1m apartmentOll seCOll-,:! floor. inclurlinlt livIng 1'otml,becro-om. tit~be::l & bll.~'l.:E zone•.4. APplt~ation o~ rtese l'~~'bytttia_D

Sll~iety. ;J(i(l()Cl:lUi AV1l"~; 10r ~prlmllto- :rI:tl~w. -varlam;e fOT 4OXa' ~lln ad"~tVijn& rulu,~ s.i!e or ChiLi Presb,tenanUu..-ch 011 propBTty sODtb sid!! of ChiliA"ei\lle opposIte Ches,tll.1!t·.Ridge School.:E" ti:m~. ." . .5. Appt1catioD -ot TIQpl~a1 Pels. Ine ..

:;047 W. Hl!nrieltzr. }toad. for ~ro-..a~10 aperate An~al 'Lanet (exhi1:>i"ol\ ofa.nlmalsl at 1300 seottsviU~ Roa.,(Ob:ml'!c Park) A zone.All hiseT¢stc:i pattil:l'S :are 1'~qucsted to

be present. By. Older of the Ch~irmM<:If flu: Zoning "Baaed of ~:pe:l.1'S of thtTown of ChID. N.Y. . - -. :ROBE.RT i-Io'NTER.

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indicating plan_s submitted, ,it's 'exactly the same plan, ex cep t he madeit smaller. Mrs.' Tanger qu e e t Lon.ed how .Lon g ago wa's 'it that h evma d e theapplication? Mr. LeP'ore advised last y ear, thought it was May, he madeit a little smaller. Mr. Hunter questioned, this is 'Chili Avenue, usingplan? Mr. LePore advised no. pointed out,Ch~li Avenue, right now he haschanged it to 63 '. so it's sm'aller. Mr. Hunter questioned the' ,side linesthen are 10' on the east a Ld e and l4',--actually they're on a diagonal,aren,t t they? Mr. LePo r e advi.sed yes' .. I changed it here (indicating).Mr. Hunter qu e.s c'Lcned 10' on the e a s.t; and 14', on the we,st'? Mr. LePoreadvise'd a c r rraLly it "ssm'aller. He 'made it 59 by, 43,.' Thes'e measurementsare changed ({ndicatint). Mr. Hunter making a point questioned ,this isn't10' really, it's something leas than lOt? 'Mr. LePo r e 'advised he changedit. Mr. Hunter questioned all right, this is coming down 7~ (indicating)?Mr. LePore advised right', b o.trh 'ways.' Mr. Hunter agreed he was with him,so', these (indica1;:ing) will be, 's omewhat gre.ater. 'He hadn't indicatedwhat th~y are. Mr. LePore explained we~l, the1're ~a~ked ove~ here(indicating). He 'was just 'concerned on 'the size of the -puilding. Inother wor~s, last year they told him th~t the building .as ,a l~ttle bigfor t he lot, so he got the' building a littlesm'aller'. Mr. Eun t e.r questioneso this is 'a c t u'aLky ,the plan he' showed them b e.fo r e ? Mr. LePore advisedright, except he made!t smaller. Mr. Hunter, fel,t now he understood.Mr. LePore guessed if thei have seen this plan before; they'll go overhere (indicating). '

Mr. Fingar inquired what this bu.ilding was 'going to, be, used for? Mr.LeP'o r e a dvLs ed one 's Ld e. 'for his 'liqu~r store and one side" rent ~t.~fr. Hu n ti er inquired' one side wo'uld be, s ud t ab Le for what? Mr. LeP'o r ea dvLs e'd weTI, he 'wO:uld rent it. Mr. Hunter' q ues trLon ed he 'would proposeto, o p e r a t e the .Lf.quo r- store, himse'lf?, Mr. LeP'oreadvise'd right. Mrs.Tanger questioned did he ~perAte one now? Mr. LePore ~dvised he hasone in the center, in the ~laz~. Mrs.' Tanger inquired he would movethat one then? Mr. LePore 'advised right', he' would move'. Mr. Hunterinquired', this is the front of the bu.ilding; it is 'a b r.Lck facing?Mr. .LeP'o r e a dvLe ed' right. Mr. Hunter' inquired' wha't would the structurebe,--a wooc;len structure? ,Mr. LeP'o r e advised' no. all concretebl,ocks andb rd ck front. Mr. -Hun t e r- questioned is t.hLs 'a flat roof, e s a e n t LaLl.y ?Mr. Le.P'o r e ia dv t s e'd yes,' flat roof. Mr. Hunter questioned, th,isis theeas t elevation, indicating, so th1's is one s Ld e and this is the' 'otherside. ,He, wo,uld carry the, b r.Lck around the corner? Mr. Le.P'o r e advised',right. Mr. Hunter question.d tw~ feet" and the rest of it would beccnc xe t e b Lo ck , and the b a.ck .wo u Ld be concrete block? Mr. LePore advisedyes, sir.

Mr. Fingar inquiredwhd he' wo~ld hope to rent the store to? Mr. LePorea dv f.s ed weTl, h a.d some guys,in the insurance bu',s,iness'.. th'.e'y would liketo take it. Kne~ ~ne~ ~hat know hi ~s ~oing t~ bu.ild in the--if he wasgoing to bu.ild in the' .fu tiure, t h'ey' asked hi.m if theY can rent it, but he'couldn't t.eL'L, th'em exact Ly wh'd is going to: rent it. Mr. FiJ;lgar inquired'how 'long he owned' this 'Piece, 'of land? Mr. LePore 'a dv Ls ed. three or fouryears now. Had be.en coming in' almost eveiy y e az; to, get the approval andevery .year he changes, it a little bi.t. Mr. Fingar qu e s tLone d did herealize .ch e restriction ,when, he' b o.ugh t itthr'ee or four years 'ago? Mr.LePore a dv f.s ed' 'tvhe'n' he' b o'u gh t; it, he'te.l'ls them t,he truth', ,Mr.' Rowardhad it Bnd h~ h~d the' variance for four stores on it; for four store~

he 'a Lre ady had the va r La nc e ; And he checked with the Town RaIL forfour .s.t.o r-e s j so: h e. b o'u gh t; it. He 'figured by, changing to two s cox e s hewouldn't have no d Lf fd c u Lt.Le s ; bu.t; it s e ems veve r y y ea r' he had b e.en makingthe stores 'a little sm'aller', and he .can't go any further b e.cau s e: it seemskind of s nraLf, , Mr. Hunter questioned he rea',lized', of course, in a Bzone code, ,it 'calls for a 100' s e t b a.ck from the front, 50' from th,e rearand ~O', from the sideline. If it's ~ firew~ll, you can be up clo~e, soyou are asking for, you realize, qu.ite a variance from that law, right?That is why, he had been having some 'difficulties'. Mr. Lep'ore answered yes.Mr. Hunte); r e que s t ed to look at the re s tr of the plans.' And questioned,to, refresh', at least, his memory, Ivculd he have a full basement under thebUilding? Mr. LeP,ore a dv f s ed yes'. Mr. Hunter qu e s t Lo n e d what:' theb aa eraent would be, used' for. Mr. LePoreadvise'd' just storage, In hi'sbusiness, he' has 'to buy lots of wi'ne,and liquor. Mr. Hunter, Ln d Lca t dn g ,questioned this wo~ld be the liquor store up here? Mr. LePore advisedno, the: wider Qneis 'r h e 'liqu9r s t'or e ;' Mr. Hunter", LndLca t Lng , questionedso, this would. be the one he wo:u;bd, rent? Mr. LeP'oz e advised' right,. Mr.

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Hunter inquired' ·and the ·access·. 'to each of these' .is'from Ln s Ld e only?Mr. LeP'or e "p o Ln t.ed' out the access'.' Mr. Hunter ques t'Lon e d i how he wouldget the ma c e.rLaL up and dOl_n:? Mr. LeP'oz e 'advised .actua1ly, he figuredon putting in a c onvey'or to. put it down. Mr. Fingar que,st'i..oned ifhe could put '.ev·erything through the front door, deliveries and everything'?Mr. Lep'ore 'advise'd no, had a si'de 'door here, indicating. Mr. 'Fingarq ues t Loned itison e a'ch 'side then'?· Mr. Le.P'o r e advised' each s f.de ,Mr •. pa1erm~ q~es.t'io.ned' he need·ed.,. a del'iver',yentrance 'for each store, is Itha~ what 1t ~s? Mr. LePore adv1sed well,'for his store, it would be'a delivery; the othe~ stdre, he would rerit--dij not know ~f they wouldneed any deliveries 'or not. Mr. Hunter que s tf.one d he was 'saying hehadn't made 'any ·provisi·ons 'for, it 1, Mr. Le.P'o r e ques't'ioned he ·meant ... wh.ois 'going to rent the other'. s tro r e ?' Mr. Hunte;r"advise'd' no. provisi'ons' efor gett.ing ma t e.rd a L in and out .of the 's co r e ;' Mr. Lep'ore a dvLs e'd' no,that would be: .t he 's Ld e 'eu t xanc e , wo.uld be' ·deI.iveries', for his 'store,would be the s Ld e 'en't r an c e , Mr. Hunte-r'. a dvLs ed' the'y were· asking aboutth.e other, store. Mr. LePore 'advised he did have a door on the 's Ld e ,Did not 'know wh:at .they 'are g o Ln g to, use' it for. Mr. Hunter. advised theywanted to be sure th.e·r·e wa's 'going to be: some access'.' What else 'did hehave? . ,

Mr. LePore s ubmd t t e.d the' floor plan for study. Mr. Hu nt.er. inquired howthis would be heated? Mr. LePore advised gas ~eat. forced air.

Mr. Hunter wish'ed' to': go back 'to the' '£ront and discuss' the parkingsituation. How would he' 'propose to, provide 'parking for his' 'cust'omers'?'Mr. LePore 'a dvLs ed we:ll, t he 'parking s pa c e s he has hereis-'-actua11y,has 'el'even' right' her'e 'in th.e c ence r. (indicating). :Mr. Huntei. c ommentedhe would u e e'd 80 '. to, do that c om f or t ab Ly > Guess'es. 'they' would have .tocheck ,it out. Gu.e s se.a t.h a't; wo'uld be: more than' SO ',. He really sbcuLdhave 20:'. and s h'ou Ld provide 20:', for a car Len'g t h ,' Some do it in 1.ess,but· rea-l,y s h'ou Ld be: 20:',. Do you know wh:at thisdimensi.on is?(indicating). Mr. LePoreadvise'd, if somebo:dy h a's 'a tape they could Iche ck it. Mr. Hun-t e r', felt.it w cu Ld be: 'ab ou t S'. What w ouLd he' p r o p o.sthis 'l'Thole 'th:ing ,v,o:uld be', b Lack to p right around the bu',ilding'? Mr.LePoreadvise'd: right'.' Mr. Hunter, inquired' b La c k't o'p ? Mr. LePore advised,b Lack ti op , Mr. Hunter', wish'ed to check the width. of this thing, Mr. LePoreadvised it is 90,'. across'.' Mr. Davisadvise'd no. it is not. it is about86". Mr. Hunter'. a dvLs e'd' it 'is 'a'b ou t. 83'·.• · This would be: b La ck t o p i up inhere, back in h e r'e 'and back in h e'z'e (indicating)? Mr. Lep'ore 'advised'right, put a fence 'all the way.'

Hr. Hunter' que stLon.ed if he'. wa's asking for any sign in conne.ction wi.ththis 'applicati',on?· Mr'. LePore 'would like to', get' 'a a Lgn i.f he c an.. get .it,after' he' 'get's' ,th'e 'bud.Ld Lng up. Mr. Huntei asked where would he put it ;''l'1h.a't size 'would it be'Z' Mr. Lep'ore 'a dvLs e'd ~vel-l, he, h ad a brand new'sign,which he u s ed for the 'other s t.o r e-e -b Ls 'store. :in the city. So' he. -bou gh t;a brand n ew s Lgn , Mr. Hunter' asked if it w oziLd be 'on the bu.i·lding? Mr.LeP.ore advised' no, 'this wou Ld be', han.ging on the post-like. or some kindof pole. He ·wo·u.ld say ,it is about ,4' x 7'. Mr. Hunte'r questi.on·ed anditj:s 'lighted'? Mr. LePoreadvise'd' yes .: Mr.' Fingar questioned out by, theroad, he means?' 'Mr. LeP'o n e. 'advise'd' t h at is the sign he' his now.' It"shanging in his garage. Mr. Hunte':\:' questioned' he had not r e.a'L'l.y thought' ,it out where he woilld like"to put it, if he" were 'allowed' to have one •had he? Mr. Lep'ore 'advised' weTI, as 'close to. tih.e lot line, whereveris lIOss'ibIe. Mr. Hunter qu'e at.Lone d , in par t LcuLa r , wh:ere in relationto the road? Mr. Lep'ore 'advised we::I:I, se you ·have ·to, drive around, Ip r ob ab Ly th<i: is l_h.ere it wo:uld be', '(indicating); so' I say in the .centerof th'e'lot. }1r. Hunter que-stioned', center, wi.dthw'i,se''? Mr. Lep'ore '.advi.sed right. Mr. Hunte'r questioned so', s ornewh'e r e 'Ln this line(indicating)? Mr.' Le.P'o r a advLae.d right.. Hr. Hun t e'r. asked' how ,farback wou Ld he' 'envision? Mr. LeP'o r e 'advLs ed weTl, wh'atev'er--as 'close ashe can. Gues'se'd' he ~_o'uld come back here f.o r' a variance. Mr. Millert.h ougb t; it might' be: be:t'ter', since he is n ct vswr e , Mr. Hunter a dvLsedbutthe:y wan·te.d ·to be: 's ur e , if he. did know , t hen he ..could make', it partof the application, bu~ he did not think he' did. Mr. LePore ~elt ifhe could make it 5', from the' 'lot Lf.n'e , it wo:uldn't be bad. Mr. Millercommented' we1'l, whit is 'propose'd here 'isla '. from t he 1.ot line, 'sowhy' not 'firm his thoughts up on that and he c a n i a Lwa.y s- 'come b a.e k , Mr.LeP'o r e 'ag r e ed all right. 'I'hen he':,ll hive the' 'exac t; size-of the, 'pole

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and th,esigu. Mr. Miller', advised' and they ,wo'uld like a diagram. Mr.LeI' oreagre,ed •

Mr. Hunte~ request~d the proposed hours uf the operatiOn of his liquors t o r e s . Mr. LeP'o r e advised' the same h our s 'he has now; from ten in themorning to, nin 0 r clock at nigh t'. Mr. Hunter ques'tloned' ho'w many daysa week? Mr. LePore 'advised six 'days' 'a we.ek , Mr. Hunter inquired Mondayt.hr.ou gh 'Satu'rday? Mr. LeP'oz e advised right'. Mr. Hunter inquired noSunday,operation? Mr. LeP'o r e a dvLs ed' no , si'r. It's 'against the New YO,rkState law. '

Mr. Hunter inquired' if any on the Board had any que s t Lons , Mr. Millerasked if he we:re aware 'that 'ou r ordinance c a Lls for a live s creen hedge,6' ta:ll? Believ'ad' he 'did back onto' a resi'den'tial area. Mr. LePoreasked what he meant by, s c'r e en ? Mr. Miller', advLs ed a row .of trees. Mr.Hun cer. advised a vi'su'al s c'r e en' bet'w,e'en this 'c omme r'cLaL area andz e s Ld en t LaL area. Mr. Palermo' advised living fence. Mr. LePorequestioned if people obfeet, or did he have ~o anyway? Mr. Millera dvd s ed period. He 'ab u.t s. 'a r e s Ld en.tLa L district. He believed PaulRoad is 'resi'delitial. Mr. LeP-ore 'advLs ed' he could put .Ln ti r.ee s , noprobLem. Mr. Miller a dv Ls e'd if this s h'o u Ld be, 'granted, they wouLdmake sure he t o.ok care of this. Another thing'; what about t.h r cwLn g outhis 'cardboard b cxe s j what did he' plan to do with those', or any zefu s e 'from his s trr e Z Mr. LePore a dv f s ed' we,lT, right: n ow , he' has people whopick it up • Mr. Miller' asked where he' 'stored it now. Mr. LePore advised'he s t-o r e s them inside.' Mr. Miller asked if that was his intention here?Mr. Lep'.oreadvise'd' well, actually, he' was 'Pretty s ur e he has to storethem Ln s Ld e , Even if he wa'nte.d' to, he d oe snI t; have enough room in theback to do it. Mr. Miller' advised he' did not think this Board wouldwant ,him to, if thei sho'uld go along with this application. Mr. LePorefelt it is not .a very good idea' anyway , because' we't 'boxes--once you getthem we,t" it ',is 'a me s's, He is sure he wo,uldn't.like that behind thebU:ilding. Mr. Miller' ques',t'ioned, so he would store all the refusewithin' the bu:ilding? Mr. LePore 'advLs e'd right:'. '

Mr. Hunter, ques td.oned, could he'teT! them from his 'own experience in thes toz-e he was 'now operating, how many people 'and, th,e'refore, how manycars might 'be. 'represented' by, people, who could be: in his store at one''time?' Obviously" he was 'inter,est'ed in knb~d'ng how adequate 'the' parkingsp'aceis.' Mr. Lep'oreadvise'd' us rraLl y , regular days. almost' all yearlong--he didn't know-'-thr'ee, five the"most. Mr. Hunter asked whatwas 'the' most he 'ever had in there at one ti111e? Mr. LeFore advised well,around Chris tmas .. that is diff e ren e , Mr'. Hu n t e.r. que st.Lon e d how many,would he say?, Mr. LePoreadvise'd maybe, 'fifte'en', t ha't; is 'Christm'asonly.Mr. Hunter asked if he ~ealiz~d if this were granted, he would not be.allo~.d to have a~y parking on th~ street? ~r. LePore advised ±ight.

Mr. Hunter asked could heOte'll the'm when he wo.u Ld exp e c t; , again if thiswere granted, when would he ex'pe c t to comphte construction, includingthe b La ck t o p that is part of t lra t 'pLan f . Mr. LeFore advised', weTl, if he'got s tarte'd,--he w ou Ld get s tarted approxilllat~ly'--he.didn't know--theend of' June.' He 's ho'uLd 'be: 'fLnLsh ed by', 0, maybe November, b e.c au s e hehas to, get out of this 'other' place 'in Dec'emb e r , if he does, 'get ou t , Mr •Hunter questioned it wouldn't be, a h a r d s b fp on him. th'e'n, again, if theBoard s aw 'fit .t o grant this, it it we.re granted on the' c orid Lti Lo n thatthe "h'ole t.h,ing be: .comp Le t.e d, including, the b Lack t op , before he openedfor b u.s Ln e sa?' Mr. LePore felt that woo:uld be, fine. Mr. Hunter questionedis that 'correct'? Mr. LeP'ore a dvd s ed' that's 'all right. If he does startthe place, it would be: fi:i:J.ish'ed wi:thbl,acktop; that he "as' :su're of.

Mr. Runte,r exp'lainedto zh.o s e present at the hearing what the' applicationwas, a dvLs ed there we',r'e plans ·if they cared fci look" at them. andques tioned if t.h.e r'e was 'anyone wh'o wished' to, s pea'k in opposition to thisr-e qu esz ,

Mr. and Mrs.' Giacomo Perna,' 849, Paul Road appeared' b e.fo r e the Board.Hrs,. E:er'na advised tih e'y ,live ,direc'tiy behind hi's property • Now" theyhave be'en liVing t here. e Lev'en.i y e a r s 'come Septeni.be.r. When Hr. LePoreacquLr e d this 'property, hesh'ould have looked' around, considering thelocati.on, c ons Ld e z'Lng what he wa.s .go Ln g to put 'on and f e a s Lb La to see if

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it was 'all right", wi:th the, traff,:ic that is 'on Chili Avenue. Now" goingb a.ck i t.h e o t h er night', Friday night', we, had the 'parade and there was quite,a b£t of pedple ~tanding on bo~h sides, mostly childr~~ standing rightin the middle 'of t h.e 'r oa dway .and these b Lg trucks 'coming through, whichtook the 'who'le s t z-ee't , children', get'ti:ng close' 'to th,e fire trucks, whichis, a very, very dangerous thi'ng. Now" you can imagine that a bu.Ll.d ingnot very ,far awa:y-,-he has 63", tmt' he 'wants, to set back. Now, last year,he' hid a se't'b',ackof 66; and he"',repres'ented' the lot 'at 110 ',by 90.. Thisyear,';b.e is'rep,re8e~ting ,at ,114.. :64 ,by :90, ,~vhfch,. she thinks. he his Imeasur e d from the mJ.ddle of the road. Nmv ahe 1S not trying to takethose' four f e et; away -f r om Mr. LeP'o r e , because' t h e'y are not' doing any-thing away from him anyway. The', main concern is, ,this morning' ab cu tha,lf p a st;' ten', ahe' 'counted abd,ut.fifty-four. cars 'wi'th' the trucks. The_went by, this 'road at 10 ;,4,5', thi:s morning, so' you can s e'e we: don' thave .,th,isroom on this Chili Av euue , If this 'is aupp o s e'd to be a c en.t e r , weshould have 'it as wi:de as we ha've down b eLow ,. down' by, Gates,-Chili. )iTherewe have "two lanes' 'and two: lanes'.' Then, if there's room for commercial.you could build there, but b e.Lng so close' 'now 'and 'this is ,the center,which 'sh'o u Ld be: 'th,a: be,s't: looking place 'in Chili. We squeezi.ng littlebuildings;' we'letting everybo:dydo what they want to do; we are losingthe track of the: 'pattern. Thi's 'is "her', ob j.ect.Lon , If Mr.LePoreis tru LyLn tie re.s t.ed , right' behind h f'm , we' have about 550', of land which includesthe 'other littleprope'rtythat he" h a s next' 'door. Now,- if he has 'too muchp r f de ;' s h'e. 'did not know,' bu'tif a man wants to do' something right. he,w!'ll go and se'e:abo:utdoing t.h.e 'right thing, instead of crowding everythinon Chili Avenue,' which 'sh'e:, did not think isrigh r , ' ,

Hr. Hunter questioned, was she suggesting if 'hewi'sh'e's to bu.ild this,he bti,ilds 'in this 'location, he should have acquired, additional p r cpe.r.ty?Mrs.' Per'na said he 's bouLd have c'on.s u.Ltie.d' Mr. Perna be'f"ore he' acquired,thi:s p r c p e r t y., Ta'lking about being commercial, "th ey' a r e 'in the samepositi.on when they b cugh t; the land at 849, and 843 'Paul Road. It wassupposed' to be', resi'de~tial. They had inten'ti'ons 'of b udLd Lng a couple Iof homes' nex't'to tli'em,. but s:i;nce 'it went commercial, they -Lo s e 'th'at.The'y say property is more valued b ecaus e :it is 'commercial. In a s en's e: ,maybe it is. but she' d Ld not, find it so b e.caus e itc is her homestead t.ha t;she should h av e 'to go' commercial for the 'sake of s omeb ody e Lset s 'profitiugNot 'only ,chi's;- the'peo'ple 't.hat; came 'for this c omm'er c LaL land. ali the ','lay from Scottsville.' They' came. proposing for thi's 'shopping c e n'c ez that\Ve have 'now, wh,ich 'is no.t,B ah'op p Lu g center. We .onLy have one 'market',who has a s ol.e right to sel'l; and this is a Loblaw':s a t-o r e , There are "no other markets, there that we: can, have c orap e t Lt Lve prices.' We have to:go to Wes'tgate" So'uth,town,or any, o r h e r' place 'that is convenient to, findt h e ma r k et.Lng , Nmv,: Mr. Le1?ore 'is not Lo s Ln g a ny t money , She thinks, thatpeople ':in this Town', the Gover'nment in ~hiS Town~ ou gh t; to be, .ab Le tobr,ing some go o d commercial-business' h e r'e , in Chi'li, like, 'Gates. Greece.We ~on't w~ntto be a stick-in-the-mud. Mr. Hunter ques~ion~d. aboutth:i.s property in question now. is she sUj?;gesting, that she feels, thatthis particular piece of p r o p erty is un s u Ltab Le for any commercialveu t ure t She' is 'not opposed to, the particular application, she isopposed to the use of that property! Mrs. Pe~na advised she' waS notopp os ed' to,'Lel.'".ore 'p e r's on a Ll.y c- but; wa's o p p o s e'd. to, the La'ndt.Lt s e'Lf , Itis not a proper, place: 'to bu.LLd , l-1r. Hunt e.r. qu'e s c Loned s he wouldn't carewho' it was; she would obj.ect to it on t h e s e 'grounds! Mrs. Pez'n a did ..not care wh6, this was he~ objection. .,

Mr. Hunter questiO,ne'd if t h e r'e 'was anyone else ':who would, like to say Ianything pertinent to tihds 'appl:i'cat:ion'l Mr. LePo r e 'advised this hadbeen going on now for quite',a 10?J-g time and Giacomo 'could haveb o.ugh t' this p r o p e r t y wh en' Mr. Howa r d had it, but 'at the 'time everythinglooked so dead here 'and he' figured' it wasn't n e c e s s-a r y at the'time, sohe just let' it go at the, time. Mrs. Per'na rep'lied all right, Mr. LePore"First s orneb'o.dy e Ls e: bought it, t h e'n M,r. -LePo r e 'got it. She still s ays-;:before he weht 'and 'bo'ught thispJ;operty'. he should h a've looked' aroundand said if he 'was go'ing to b u.f.Ld a store or something, that "s got tobe looking nice, i~stead of setting it in the midd1e~f the road. Hesh auld have come and looked' around and t.a'Lk.ed to the person that owned 1the property in t~e ~ack. This is the ~~ly thing she ~bjects. Mr.Le P'or e .adv Ls e'd he' 'asked' h sr husband a long time ago. he 'asked if theywere Lu t er'e.s t e'd in seTling him some property. 'They s<:l'id no.

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Hrs.' Perna advised theY. d Ld not get any notice 'about this. Mr. Hunteradvised the'y we,re no t required to' send the'se' to anybo.dy , Mrs. Pernacommented it wa(l not in the 'paper', as 'she noticed' it. Mr. Hunteradvised it was ~n th~ ~aper. Mrs. Perna inquired what paper did theyput it in? She gets the' Times,..Union, s h'e did not see it. Mr. Hunteradvised' but they do, as 'a matter of courtesy,', try to send letteis tothe p e op Le around th,e area'. If they had known s he we r e that interestedthey would,have sent hei one too. Theie is nothing l~gal that theyhave to, send any letters 'in the 'rown,. They' do this, al? b e.s t; they can,for the people that are interested. Was there anything e~se she wishedto say ab ou e this particular application? Mr. Per'na would like Mr.Le~ore to stay b~ck 50 r from his property. Did not care ~he rest.Mr. Hunter ques'ti'oned if it we,r'e 50 r , from his property, he would notobject? Mr. Perna reilied right., Mrs. Tanger que~tioned how deep hislot was? Mrs. Perna a dvds e'd well" two lots. ~he:y wer,e asked to showtheir, lots.' Mrs.' Fer'na, looking at plans .. advised where 849, Paul Roadwas 'and Mr,. LePore's.' Indicated theirs 'on plans,' This is directly

, . behind his p r op s r ey , then they have this other one 'and it goes to backof Mrs. Greig's yard and then they have this 'other st'ri.p that goesbehind:. there is this muchsp'ace, then there is 'a little house overh e re , indicating. Indicated the &J.uare Mr. LeP'or a h.a s ;' Mr. ,Hunterquestioned if their property is -all residential? Mrs.' Perna advisedno, it's be.en commercial. Thi's is why she 'was squawking about it,b e.c aus e t.hey had a b e.au t Lfu L home and they put them on commercial. Mr.Hunter, q u e s.trdon e d they weIeon lot 849,. was that righ t'?' Mrs. Pernaadvised ye~, pointed out their house £acing ~aul Road, then she had allthis land on this particular lot, plus 'this c t h.e r lot that goes fromMrs. Greig' sto the s nra.l l, house he has next door. Mr. Hun'ter inquiredthere is no structure 'on thi's lot, 847? Mrs.' Perna advised no, it'sgone c onmre-r.c.La.L, so they did nothing about it. Right up to here,indicating, this house' has 'about a' foot or two from the back and therest is thei.r property line. S,o she, means .. t h Ls 'is the thing. if itwas that he had enough land. s h'e wo'uldn't have any complaint. Mr.Fing,<lr q u e s t Lo n e d have the'y,ever tried' to, n e g o c La t e ,' or i;rould ,theynegoitiate 'to, seTl that. Mrs. Perna advised' we'1'l, for 'the right price,'yes.' Mrs .. Tanger questioned wa,s 'their propeityzo,ned' commercial wh,enthey b o.ugh t' it? Mrs. Per'!1a a dvLs ed' no, itwas z e e'Ld e nzLaL when theybought it. btit then we had this big "ta-do" about the shopping center.and t h.ey turned' them all commercial. from the' shopping center' all the',way to the, 'Baptist, Chur ch ,' Mrs.' Tanger questioned' ho'w long ago wasth-.t? Mrs.' Perna a dvLs e'd' when they'started the shopping center. aboutsix years -ago. Mr. Hunter asked when they b~ught their propeity and'Mrs. Perna advised e Le ven years 'ago. Mr. Hunter qu e st.Lo ned 19597 Mrs ..Perna advised yes'; it will be: 'e Le v an years 'Sep'tembe,r that she isliving in this home. Mr. Hunter questioned then; it was .r e zoued tocommercial at the time 'the 'Chi-Paul Shopping Plaza came? Mrs .. Pernaadvised right:, and peo p Le came f r-om all over--Sc,ottsville. Shedidnot,be:lie~ethey do any shopping heie. They have the~r own shopping.Mr. Fingar q ues tLon e d if Mr. LePo r e 'ev'er ,came to, them and talked? Mrs.Perna advised not to their house.' Mr. LeP'o re. advised, when he' b ough t;the ~ot, they had the variance 'for four stores. Mrs. Peina advisedif the variance, was there, it wouLdn ' t be, carrie,d to him be c'au s e thevariance ,would have b een for the 'person under, the name; that's it,right?' Mr. Hunter did not t h f'nk there waS '.;lny point 'of carrying thisdiscussion any ,further', i:l= they ivo,uld like to" ,they c ou I.d do it outside.Mrs. Pern a was making herself clear because every ,year they .have thispro~lem. .

Mr. Hunter thought they understood and thanked her. Ques'ti',on if anyoneelse', wished to, a pe a'k " eith'et, for or in o p p o s Lt.Lon to this 'request.Mr. Generoao' Bu t t.a r a z a.f. 9 ',Tarrytown Drivefullyagree'd, with Mrs.Pe r'n a , b e.c au s e: he thought that the lot is too s nra Lf and the, road isso ivideand ever:\thing', all, the' traffic. going through 'and the p a r k Lngspaces would hardly have any in the front. Means, aft~r all, here onChili Center. they are trying to better t.hems eLv e s , not t oi do somethingthat may not be, fit 'for them. Mr. Hunter thanked him and inquired ifthere wa s 'anyo,ne e Ls e.

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property, it is all commer~ial. Mr. Hunter, ,quest~oned, so our Codedoes not require .s u'ch a s cre en , is 'that his 'point7 Mr. Davisadvise'dyeo Mrs.' Perna'commented Mr. Davis, 'when they accepted the 'shoppingcenter' agreement, it wa's supposed to be treed all the', wa:y. It was onher lot ~ine, but h~r lot line didn't get any trees. So, ahe gets,all the cartons, the papers .. incinerator s nrok e ;' everything comes herway. Mr. Davis 'advLs e'd t.hey we:re commercial now though. Mrs.' Pernaknew, but if they rea'd the minutes of' that time there" it s ati d theywere supposed to line it with trees, which they didn't do. Mr. DaVisladvised' the only ,thing he wanted to .c La r Lfy wa a , some of the' peopletih'o u gh t; they' we r'e in resi'dential p r o p e r t y , They are in commercialproperty. Mrs. Perna agreed t h ey are in commercial'prop'er'ty"yes.'Mr. Hunter just wi:sh'e"d to mention, if t h e r'e 'is 'a questLo n here 'about,an a dherence to a previously provided, change of zo n.Ln g , or anything eof this sort, they should b~ing this to the attention of the' ~ownpeople,' so if theie ~s a viol~tion h~re.' th~y can do something aboDtit. They 'are .Ln t e r e.stred , b u.t; have no power.. to do anything about wh,atshe was talking about here., Mrs.' Per'na knew, bu.t, what she was talkingab ou t , it isn't that she' 'was 'against Mr. LePore" t h.e p e rs on h Lms eLf ,she was talking about any b u.Ll.dLn g that is going to, be: set, up there.'It's got to be. 'put up 50 tha't the-y h ave 'room enough. Now, t he r e ishow many more house's', there is Mrs.' Gr'eig and Mrs.' McCallon this sideof the'road and t.h e'y ,have that factory,' so actually. there are 10t60f.she means, weTl they c ou'Ld stand a store there, bu,t,Mr. LeP'or e can'tb e.cau.s e h e 'd o e srr t even have; he woul,d just be. putting somethfng rightin the middle, like a s or e t.humb ,. Mr. Hunter, explained, he thoughtwhat she was saying wa's ,that she und.er's t ood there was to be. some kindof s cre eu on the Chi-Paul Sho'p p Ln g Gen'te-r'? Mrs. :Perna rep'lied, no.Mr. Hunt.-r was Borry, h~ misunde~stood.

Mr. Miller inquired ho'w many ,resi'demti"al h ome a. 'are on ei.th,er side ofher on Paul Road7 Mrs. Perna advised on oue side,' it's an open lotwh'ere t h e y have ,847 Paul, Road. On the other s:i:de of he'r: is the',shopping center' fiei'd. with just an open field. Mr. Miller', inquired Iwas it open all the 'wa'yfrom her place up to t ha Bap z f s t; Chu.'rch7Mrs.' Perna a dvLs e'd no. On the' otaer sttle of the' 'lotthe'y have, isMr. Ho s hez, wh'o Lsn" t t.h s r e now,' bu'tthi's 'other family again livesther,e. 'I'h e.y' r-ent ;: and tihe 'Baker' family, and then the 'Baptist Church.Be t.we.en the 'Bapti's t Church 'and the',roadway ,is a roadway to' thisf a c t o-r y c There is 'a roadway; then t h e. 'Baptist 'Chu'rch.' Mr. Hunterthanked her.

DECISION: Re.s'er-ve d , Mr. Le'P'o r e 'to, be', 'req,uested, to, come in andt a.Lk informally ,to' the. Board at the 'next regular meet.Ln.g

to discuss' p o s s Lb Le 'modifications, to his p r o p o s a'L,

#3.-, Application of Mel'vin Gimbe',r, 1909 Hest's.1de D'r Lv e, for approvalto, raise roof on h o'me at 1909, Hes'tsil-e Drive in order to makean apartment on s econd f Loo r , including living room. be.dro om,kd.z cb e n and b at.h ,' E z o.n e ,

Mr. Gimbe,r appeared b e.fo r e 'the' board and s ke t cbe s.vo f : p r o po s e'd planpresented for study.' Mr. Hunter 5 t.ud yLng plans .. inquired regardingcha fron t e Leva t Lo n which "shows !=he' h cme as 'proposed' to expand it'and th~n' the ,present,roof line 'is ou tlined in red in one 'view. was •that correct? Mr. Gime'r advised yes. Mr. Hunter questioned ifthere is a garage in the existi.ng hom.e and was 'advi.sed yes.' Mr.Hunter questioned and he pr op o s e'd to use that for some 'purpose' Iothe,r than a garage when he ezp'and e d? ' Mr.' Ginrer advised no, thisis 'a car-port (indicating)., Mr. Hunter quescLone d what type. g a r a g ehe' had now 'and Mr. Gimbe'£ a dvLs e'd d oub Le car. Hr.' Hunter, questLon e dand, he was proposi~g to add on a structure which .ould b~ a roof anda carport for use'. presumably.' by, the 'people 'occupying th~ proposedapa r nmen t , is that right? Mr. Gimer advLs e'd yes.' Mrs .. Tanger',ques't'ioned how .c Lo s e 'to: the', 'lot 'line?' }It'. Gimer advised twenty-one'fee't'.

Hr. Hunter asked Mr. Gimbe,r, to state. to this Board the reasons forthis 'application? Mr. Gimbe,r, advised the' 'z e a'a c'n he ,;anted' to b u.L'l.dthis 'is b e'c aus e of his mother'. He wants her to', live with 'h Lm , or'be, Ln de pe'nden t; and still be', 'close 'enough to him wh.e're 'he can keep aneye on her. He was not building it for income property. Mr. Hunter

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inquired if he felt it is 'ue c e s s'zrry , in order to do this~ that heprovide a comp Le te 'ap a r cmeu t , as s uch , for hi's mother; including abathroom and including a kitcheri, just what he h~s applied for? Mr.Gimbe:r did because' he' t hou gh f that is what s he 's h ouLd have. Did notthink ahe 'should be, walking around s omeb o.dy el'se"s 'kitchen. Mr.Hunter asked if he' 'realized the only legal ba.sis 'on wh.ich this Boardcan give a variance is 'one which, in e ff ect , he 'can prove t h at; thereis a h a'r d s hd p to the property in question? Did he claim any suchhardship? Mr. Ginl:ei: questioned' what he meant by that?, Mr. Hunteradvised basically, the 'purpose 'of a Zo n Ln g Board of App e.a'La is t o. hearrequests from p e op Le 'wh'o feel t ha t; their particular piece of propertyhas 'characteristics, s uch as, it is not s u I t.ab Le 'and not fair for thatperson as, 'an owner to meet the Town Law in respect to that property ina zone which it is located, if there is something unLque about thatproperty compared to other pieces 'of property, something unusual ab o.u t;it that makes' itunsuitabl:eand unfair for them to, use: it in the mannerin which 'it ,is.zo'ne. Did he make any such 'claim? Mr. Gimbar did not.Mr. Hunter', c omme nt.ed t h Ls is 'a personal thi'ng and he thought" he 'unde r s t o o.what he was' 'saying, but ju,st wa'nte'd him to, rea'l~', the 'legal basis onwhich they have to op e r a t e , . Ques'tioned ,if the Board h a'd any questions.

Mrs. Tanger' asked ho'w 'long he' hid lived' in the home and Mr. Gimbera dv Ls e'd three years.' Mr'. Hunter, questioned how .oLd his h o'me was, andMr. Gimbar', a dvLs e'd he b cugh t; it new and it was built ab ou t; a year before,he bo,ughtit, i.t wo:uld be: 'four years. Mr. Fingar questioned if theywere going to, g r.an t t.hf's .. would he be. wi,llin'g: to have 'a deedres'triction as 'long as his mother lived with 'hi"m, it could be, anapartment? Mr. Gimbe:r que st.Lon e d in other words, if he' wa.s to sell it,this house would be:.' •• , Mr. Fingar a dvLs e'd no, if heso'ld the house,it would go back to, a single,' The'i'r only th:i:nking t s , Lf they decidelater this evening theysh'o'uld grant it b e.caus e' of some 'reason, wasjus t wondering; how would he' feel on that basis,' wh'ich 'means 'only aslong as his mo ch.er was 'the're and he owned th,e hous e ,' it could be,used as 'an apartment. After' that, the 'dee'd' would say it was '3 singlefamily residence" Mr. Ginl:e:i:' did not think he would put it .Ln underthose', there wouldn't be, .any sense accepting t.h'a t, e Lt.her , Mr. Hunterquestioned he 'felt it would be t o.o much .of an Lnve s'timen t; for the 'amountof time he planned' on using it? Mr. Gimber' advised', yes,-' this is biggerthan what she. actually needs, b~t he was willing to do it to keep itproportion--the' who'le ho'use in proportion. kee~ it looking good andeverything. Mr. Hunter, advised now, just to b e, 'su're,'the'y'are togetherhere, he was 'awa,reth'.at he' may exp'a n d his, h o'ma 'and may do it in the-way he can make more ~living space and his mother may live with him.And h e. 'may do all of this without creating an apartment and, therefore,not 'require a var,iancefrom t.h Ls 'Board. He was 'atVa,re 'of that? Mr.Gimber', was.' Mr. Hunter" went on, he could not build an ap a r trment; , b u.c ,of c cu r s e ;' h~could provide 'a bedroom and maybe: a living room, he couldprovide 'sp'acefor her, and he 'could do this with,out,com'ing in h~re.Mr. Gimber knew .t.h at.On qu e s'cLon of Mr. Hunter if anyone 'pr e s'ent; at the hearing in favorof or opposed' to t hd's 'application, Mr. Clyde 'Domagala. 4 ~Weather~"ood

Lan,e 'que stLoned' t h e re wer'e 'six 'letters 'sen-t o u.t; 'for this p r op o s a'L inth,e,ir immed'iate n e Lghbo.r-h ood , If none 'of t.h e'm say, anything, thenwhat happens? ,Or what if somebo'dydid ob j.e c t ? Mr. Hunter, advisedwell, ba.s~cally, th~ ~oard is here to hear any e~idence either' foror against any request for a variance that appears bafore 'the Board.'Mr. Domagala inquired in other wo'rds, was he asking him for his'p e r s o'na.L opinion of ,this?' Mr. Hunter' a dvLs ed' if h e 'cared to, give it,he may. If th~r~ ~ssome ~eason h~ ~eels it sho'uld b~ ~ra~te~ or forsome .r e as on it s h o'uLd not 'that he' 'f e e'L's was n o t b r'ougb t' out here, he ,may go on rec.ord .. ,if he wish'ed to, give an opinion. Mr. Domagalaask~d if he: wanted h~m to express his gpinion right he:~e! ~r. Hunteradvised ths't was up to him. Mr. Domagala a dv Ls ed' weTl, he: looked atit the' same my he b r.o ugh t; it up a minute ago. If he' 'wants', to expandhis h-ou s e., b e.au t Lf u L, If he" wan t s. t.o put, an ap a r cmen t; 'uP. he won'tgo along with 'd n., Hopes' t.h er'e is no hard feelings,- bu.t that, is theway he looks ~t it.

Mr. Rob e.rt; Th,ompson, 1913 'Wes'tsi'deDr:i.ve feels ,the sametVay.Mr. Lacn a r d s as so, 6 'Weather'wood Lane 'lives' -right' in b a.ck of him. Knowshe is 'a good ,nei'ghho'J;', but 'also ob j.ec t s , Don't 'mind Rids 'going

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through his 'property, but; wo,uld rathe'r' b.ava ',th'e', ho'us e stay as as LngLe ,'

DECISION,~ Unanimously denied'.

Application of First Presb'y'terian Society" 36:00 Chili Avenue,for approval to. r e new 'variance for 4', x 8', sign advertisingfuture site ~f Chili Presbiter~an Church on property south sideof Chili Avenue" o p p o s Lti e. Ch e s.tnu t Ridge SchOol. E z o'ne ,

Mr. William 'Stein, 60 'Creekview 'Drive, member of the Board of ITrustees of the said society appeared bafore the Board. Mr. Hunterasked him to, tel',l them: che r e a's on for the, a ppLf.c a t Lon , Mr. Steina dvLse'd' th:e 'church has not been' e tar t e d yet 'and, perhaps, will not b..Afor a y ear 'or tw'o. The'y wo:uld like to, retain' t h'e. 'sign as it ,is. Mr:WHunter que-sti Lo n e d he e a'Ld for a year or two:? Mr. Ste:i'n .a dv f e e d yes',he' could almos t 'assure t lrem, b e'Ln g a membe.r of the 'long range 'planningc ommLti tee., . that he"ll probab1y be' h e r eva.g a Ln next y e a r; because he didnot s e'e in' the 'cards 'that the"y' 'are going to' be, .und e r. con s trxu c t.Lon withthe new'facility at that time. Mr'. Hunter' guessed his only 'question is ..as he was aware, they' can' onl"ygrant a' variance for s ome nh.Lng liket.ha t up to, one y ear, and if t·hey" knew' they' were going to, be'two y ear s ;'he just wanted to be', 'au'r e. they .a r e' going' to, go abea d and make. arequest on that basis, and they recognize th~t they would have to,come in again to get 'it t.h rough the' s e'c o n d year. Mr. St'ein advisedy e s ;. t.h'Ls 'is 'only ,a"telIlpora'ry sign, and the question may be, a permanentsLgn , They z e c'ogn Lz e they may have to, come back.

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On qu eszLo n of'Mr. Hunter, if anyone present in favor of or opposedto this 'application, no one appeared.

DECISION~ Unanimously granted for a p e r'Lod of one 'yea,r with theright' to reapply for a ren'ew'a'l.

tiS. App Ld c a t.Lon of Tropical Pet's, Inc., 3047 ,Wes't' Henriett,a Road.for ap p r ova'L to, operate Animal LanJ' (e;x:hibi'tion of animals)'at 1300. ',Sc'ot'tsville 'Road (Olympic Park). A z o.ne ,

IMr. 'Alber't Oechs'le. 'appeared before 'the Board. Sub:m.itted layouts of\.hatthey propose as far as 'exhibitip.g animals 'are concerned. lieand hi's 'son have o p e r a t e d Tropical Gardens 'Pet' :Shop on West HenriettaRoad the 'past six years 'and, 'feeT they' :tuna n Lce.t a tro r e , clean store.'Last y e.a r his 'son went 'around the', w o.r Ld visi'ting various c.cun t rd e.a-o-Africa. wh'athave you. various 'zoos 'in Europe.' Hhen, he came' back he,realized' h ow 'inadequate, our Monroe County Zoo was , especially from thea tandpo Ln t; of children. Knowing. they were uui1ding on private property,l.i th an amusemen t park ... they 'put up fourteen temporary bu.LLdLng a , Itwas well r e ceLved by the 'children. They arranged, abo'utfive 'th,o'usandpeople out there on a we,ekend, going through 'the 'z o.o and this yearthey wish eo e xp an d and they, of course" are making' application fortheir larger. bdildirigs." Indicated one that wotild ba 75 x 24, concreteb Lo ck 'in' the'front.: wo'od on the other t h r'eavs Ld e a;' Hr. Hunter, que s t.Lo u erwhich 'side 'wo'uld be: 'the 'front? Mr. Dechs'J.e indicated the side that waul<'be, the 'south 'here 'and there 'wo'uld be.abo,ut ',ti.O, foot height b Lo ck, allaround for sanitary ,reas6ns.' Indicated, a 55' x '24'" .sn concrete •bl'ockconstruction, these are pools for sea lions,' indicati~g. Mr.Hunter que s trd'cned he 'wa,s pointint to' two, pools her'e? Mr. OechsTeadvised' th'ey'wo:uld be 'for 's ea lions.' Indicated, wh,at ,wo:uld be' Ipenguins 'and various swans.' Mr. Hunter quee t Lon e d. th'i's 'is 'a thirdpool? Mr. Oe ch s'Le advised right. The'se are nine foot perimeter,chain link f e nce s 'around the 'entire thing. (i'ndicating). Mr. Hunterinquired t.h at; is nine feet' hi'gh? ,Mr. Oeens'le 'advised r,ight,. Mr.Hunter inqu'ired what; kind? Mr. 'Oechs',le a dv d s e'd chain link. Thes'e' arePI1llt:'iti',oned off by: <chain' link wh ere the' 'various 'animals -are being kept.T~eir main purpose, of e~urse, ~s to go and have young animals Bndanimals 'chat .ch L'l.d r e n can get close to', and just like .La s t; year. ever yhour on the h ou r they take 'some ,of the smaller': ones' 'out so' the childrencan pet tih ern under e u p e r v Ls f.o n , of course', Various 'rep'tiles', wi'll be:shown. Some people 'aren't too afraid of t hem ,

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operating some' 'sort of an animal unit? Mr. Oe chs'Le a dvLs e'd' they didlast August, six we,eks 'last August. ,These' bu:ildingsright' here(indicat.ing), ,they 'are temporary buildings.' There's no foundation ornothing. 'Mrs.' Tanger' ques t.Lon e d' he' 'was' 'operating on Olympic Park lastyear? Mr. Oechs'.le 'advLs e'd' yes. Mr. Hunter questioned when he spoke ofb u.LLddn g s ;' he' 'commented' on this first bu.LLddng having tw'o foot high walls.Mr. Oe chsLe 'advise'd c on c r e t'e base around them, concrete floor, bringingup tWA) foot concrete,bl'ock. Mr. Hunter ques t Lone d' then wood constructionthereon? Mr. Oe ch sLe a dva s e'd wo,od cons t-ru c t.Lon , Mr. Eun t er questionedDid he have any other kind of architect's 'rendition that would give usthe appearance for these buildings? Mr. Oechsle had some sketches here. H'Fingar inquired how b Lg is that' area? Mr. H~nter, felt it looked likeit is 'roughlyabo,ut 20:0 .x 30.0", just, guessing. Mr. Oechsle thought that;is about right. This 'is the pachyderm b u.f Ld Ln g , >-Thich is this 'largerone here (indicating). Mr. Hunter ques.tioned that was the first 'one thathe t a.Lk e d ab ou t , right? Hr. Oe chsLe advised' right.

Mrs. Ta,nger, quest'ioned' how many elephants 'did he 'propose' 'to have? Hr.Oechs'le advised one. one"':year, old. Mr. Hunter, que s traone d the roofma t etr LaL and Mr. Oechsl'e a dvLs ed tar roof, rolle'd' roofing, tar paper.It wo.uld be. fully insulated'. Mr. Fingar wished' them to: stop a moment'and Le t him find out where on Scot tsvilleRoad. Mr. Davis 'advised wayin the bick by Weidnet Road. wh~re th~ big slide. ~s, that big op~n fieldin there. Mr. Fingar questioned you can't see it from Scottsville Road?Mr. Davis 'advLs e'd no, you can't see it from Sco.t tsvdLk e Road. Mr. Eun r ez'que s t.Loue d how far b a.c k from S'cottsville Road? Mr. Dechsle a.d.vLs ed atleast seven, eigh~ hundred fe~t.' Mr. Hunter questione~ if this would be.an all Y,ear round operation? Mr. Oe chs Le advised no, th,ii; would be, asummer op e r at.Lon , b u.t some of the' animals .. the'y'll keep' th',em all year.There are certain ones'th~yr,ll hang on to. keep t.bem all year around.Mr. Hun t e r, questioned what they would do wi:th the ones, they do n ! t. ke.ep.Mr. Oe chsLe 'advised' theY 'trade and seTl to various a c os ;: stuff of thatsort., They' are~e.tting th~se ~arious animals from other zous in thecountry, $rookline 200 in Chicago, what have ~ou.

Mr. Hunter q u'e s t Loned what kind of animals would they v LsuaLd z e keepingthe year around ? Mr. Oechs'l'eadvis ed weTl, year around would probab lybe, some chimps, gibb:o:ns, Ce Lebe.s 'apes,.'monkey's, giant 'anteater,porcupines, kappa bears-- kappa b e.a r s va r e large .r o d ents -- 'hyrax, estrich.emus,' and th'en, various 'cranes, '-- means,' Stanley crane, Indian craneib is.' Mr. Hunter' was 'su're t h e r'a will b a a 10 t of ques tLon s h e z e , bu.tdoes this mean then, that he' 'would p r ob abLy have s cm eb'o.dy t h'a t; wouldbe, in a t t eu'dan c.e throughout the year? Mr. Oe ch s'Le 'advised' t.hr-ougho'u t;che year, p Lu a ;: whi~e 'they are open, there would be a guard on duty fromthe time th~y close until,the ~orning. Mr. Hunter questioned, so'there,would be, someone there twenty-four hours? Mr. Decns'le advise'd yes sir.

Mr. Hunter questioned the times the'y would, actually be, open to the public?Mr. Oechsl'e adv t s e'd ho'pefully.' June '15 through Beptembe'r 15th. Mr. Hunterques n Lo n e d the h o'u r s of t h.e' day they \,70uld exp e c.t; to operate? Mr. 'Oeehs'lea dv Ls ed ten unti.l ni.ne o'cl.ock. Mr. Hunte);" questioned ten in the morninguntil nine in the evening? Mr. Oe chs Le advised right. Mr. Hunterquestioned seven days a'week? Mr. Oech~le ~dvised right along'with wheneve.ch:e park was open •

Mr. Hun t e z- que st.Lon e d he mentioned' a lot of 'animals, some of which he);"Bcognized. Would he consider any of these animals ne was speaking ofhere to b.e' d an g e xous t For exampLe , supposing some youngster manages to,make a hole ,in the f e n'c e and one of th,em' get's 'out, how much concern s h'ou Ldthere be for the 'safety of the people? ,Mr. o e ch s'Le 'advised they areusing heavy guage .c.ha Ln link. It's 'a 'fence regarded by, all zoos 'a s b e.Ln.ga d e qua t e -t o. maintain any of th'e's'eanimals. Fu r t h'er, your young e l.e phan t;is ~nly a year qld and would be th£rty-six inch~s high. Y~u don't walkup to it"but again, this would be "retained b ehLnd a: barrier, let's say.which it cannot get over. At night', it will be: retained in the 'pachydermhouse, wherethi:s 'is (indicati'ng). This is 'all 'en'close'd', h er e '(indicating).As he ti o.Ld t h em, it "s 'concrete 'b Lo ck in front, concrete 'two feet high 'here,(indica ting), and t h e's'e h ere '(indicating), would' b e. 'like a two inch pas e .So, it would have to get through' the pen', through 'the'barrier, let r s say,and as he said, they'll have a guard there all night' long, if anjr t h Ln gshould get out. Mr. Hunte~ qu~s'tioned is there ~ny da~ger from any otheranimals, ,as far as ;: b u.r r owf.n g under: the 'fence?' Mr. Dechs'le advised no,

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But, if they s h o'uLd be: 'ou t in the 'a r ea , .ou t; where the fen'ceis?' Mr.Oe ch s'Le 'advds e'd the'y",re 'all c cn c a Ln e d - II). o t lrer' wo:rds .. a climbinganimal wo'u1d have 's cze endng 'over the 'top, si' it couldn't 'climb .out; ,Mr. Hunter', inquired his plan is 'then, that none of these animals wouldbe: 'permitted to, roam in this 'area where th,e 'fence 'is? Mr. Oechsl:eadvt s e.d no. Mr. Hun t.e.r. inquired' there is 'a major barrier, that they haveto, go over be:f.ore 'the'y' could 'get i.n" this position, is that right?' Mr.Oe chsLe advise'd' that is 'right. By z o.oLo gd c a L trial and error, ch-e's e :barriers are adequate to, retain them. '

Mr. Hunter questioned wh.e're, the people who come to visit would b e.? 11r.1Oe ch s Le advisli!Q well, they would be: in this 'area here ,(indicatip.g). Mr.Hunter' questioned the'y wou l.d be,insi'de the fence? Mr. O'echsLe advisedinside, in the shelte'r', area. right. Thi's would be: 'very' much like when ~go dow~ to Serie~a Park Zoo, .s' you walk around the' outside. ~

Mr. Pfenninger inquired if they have insurance and Mr. Oechile advisedyes, they haveinsu'rance. Mrs.' Tanger q'uestioned what p r ovLs Lons t.h e'yhave for sanitary reasons? Mr. Oe chs'Le 'advised they" 11 put some 's e.pt Lctanks, in just for flushing, and manure--what have you, mo stLy wi'll be.trucked' away ,twice 'a week, same as 'last year. We had an arrangementwith a fel'low., He 'picked up twi'ce a week. Mr. Hunte'r' qu e s t Lo ne.d wher'edoes he', 'go? Mr. Oe chsLe 'advised he' 'is 'a farmer', use's. it 'as manure. Mrs.Tanger' questioned' what they do as ,far as 'odors 'are 'con cer'ned ? S'he wasthinking of Seneca Park Zoo. Mr. Oe chsLe advised' t h e s'e: buildings are,mainly -t o maintain the animals 'at n Lgh t , They Wi,ll be, out in the' 'open.so consequently, th',e odor is 'relatively little" Everything is rakeddown everyday,' so' any defec'ation is 'rea~lly taken away. Mrs.' Tangerquestioned if t.h e'y have anything to spray that wo'uld cutthi odor? Mr.Oechsle advised there ',is 'a compound that will 'pulver'ize 'it. Mr. Hunter'quest.Lon e d if he' 'we:re subjecting a thing like th'is to, ,perhaps,. s ca t e. 'laws. which have to, do wi,thz;o',os 'and, perhaps, ,the care of animals? Mr.Oe chsLe 'advise'u for ,thes'e' anima'ls,-they have to have a p e rmd t; from the.Con s e-r'va t.Lo n De p'a r tnaen t; 'and th'e'y 'also' have to, have. for c e rt a Ln ducksand stuff. they have to have a Federal license', whic.h 't.he'y also have. I}[r. Hunter, questioned if t h.era 'are county laws' t lra t; 'they are awa're of,that have any b e.ar Lng on an op e r a t Lon like 'this? Mr. Oe chs'Le 'advisednot to his k nowLedge , Mr. Davis 'advised he called the County HealthDep'artm.entand th,e're aren' t'any laws' on z oc s or pet' ah'op s , Mr. Hunter,ques tLoned ,.it is up to, the 'individual town's 'as 'far as 'se'tt',iug the'requirements! Mr. Davis advised right. '

Mr. Oechs'l-e advise'd weTl the, Humane Society--at the pet' store, they geton the average of haif a dozen. calls 'a day for cert aa.n animals that' theyare unable to, take care .o f , He .'th:inksthey 'are t~e.ll v e rs e'd in thecare of an.LmaLs ;: k e e'pLng of anLraa Ls , t.hLnks 'they know 'their animals. Theyknow how .th ey have to, be, 'retained. Thinks thi's ,,,ould be: an asset 'as faras 'chi',ldreri are c onc e r'ned' be-cause if they' get the·se' 'completed, therei,i.ll be: 'some T.V. s hows from th,er'e.' Bisson has b e.en on T.V. a nurab ezof times ~n regard t~ the pe~ store there and Eddie Meath 'is one wh~ isvery, Ln t e.r e s t e d in getting this on the show. so it wi'll give somea dve r't.La Ln g , let' 'us 'say.

Mr. Hunter inquired if he' wo'uld require heat in one or more 'of t.h.es e'bU:~ld~ngs for anLmaLs ,th, at; are reta'ined? M::. 07'chsTea,dv,ised', all th,re,e.,b u.aLd Ln gs will be, heated. Mr. Hunter qua s tLored all' t~ree of'them?Mr., Oe ch s.Le advised yes.' Mr. 'Hunter' as lre'd by' what 'mea'us?' Mr. Oecbsl.'eadvLs ed the pac.hy'derm house' and primi house'; t h'at; is these tw,o: here(l:ndicating) wi'll be: 'propane gas. Mr. Hunter queried hot air? Mr. IOe ch s'Le a'dvised"hot '<j.ir. Mr. Hunter 'q'uest'ioned was he set't,iug up'thermo.s tatic conr r o Le t Mr,. Oa ch sLe , indicating, advised this here woul'be, ultraviolet',. They keep it ,up fifty degree's';' that is sufficient. Mr.Hunter, Ln dLca'tLn g , qu:estioned', he'theY identify t ha t; bU:i,ldi.:n"g again,for the r e c ord . Mr. Oe.ch s'Le 'advised they call it the African h ous e,.containing the' .os t r f ch , various 'cranes' 'and some a n t e L'o p e , Mr. Hunter',ques tLoned , th,en he would expect all t h'r'e.e' 'of t h.e s e , and they are,talki~g

a b o.u t; thr'ee:btiildings, aren't; .they , total? Mr. o e chs'Le advised, yes. Mr.Hun t e.r. continued, all three' of t h e se b udLdf.n g s ;: he t~ould expect. .to haveone or more animals 'in them the year round', is that right? Mr. Oe chsLea dv Ise d righ t ,

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Schuler.? Mr. Oe ch s.Le 'a dv Ls ed y e s ;' Mr. Fingar q ues trd.one d and theycharge admd s s do n for nh fs ;' . Mr. Dechs·l·e 'advns ed' yes',' Mr. Hunterasked if he could tell them rough1y, what investment would thisrepresen t as n e sbows. i. t h e r'e thi.s 'evening--th.e three bu.ildings, thefence. the, pools 'that he' has 'to put in, and so on, what kind of aninvestment? Mr. OechsTe 'advLs ed' weTl, b ecausevo f the strikes. he wasable to get. some help rath.er ,reasonabl:y, approximately around $15,000:Mr. Eun t e r' inqUired so, th'at would be'. the price tag of thi.s completedas he sees it now?: Mr. Dechs'l'e advised' yes. Mr. Hunter inquired andthis 'is ·the kind of an Ln vestmen t; he was 'dealing wi'th in trying to. makea fair return? Mr. Oe chs'Le 'advised and they' wer'e unaware of the'necea e d t y of requ.iring a zoning ch a n g e ,. The'y ·thought it would be justa matter of applying for a bu.ilding permit because' it was already anamusement 'area. Th.ey have gone out, of course' naturally. they' had to,go and procure all the~. ~ni~als.' so the majority of th~se animals ~re

si.tting at vario.us 'Places'.' Th,~y are theirs.' Mr. Hunter. inquired theyare sort o f committed, he is ,saying1 Mr. OechsTeadvised' r Lg h t", Mr.Runter inquired, the' '$15,00.0 •. he mentioned', does not include the cost·of ,the an:i,mals 1 Mr. Oe chs'Le .advLs e'd no, the. 'animals 'are in t.h e' 'areaof $5,0,.000, •.. Mr. Hunter inquired 80, we: 'are 't a'LkLn g , all t og e t he'r. of a$6S,OOO: investme~t? Mr, Oechsle advised yes sir~ Mr. Hunte~ inq~ired,how many years would he 'thi'nk he could break ev'en on an investment liketii.s? They have to, c ons Ld e r. on a thi'ng like t.hd.s , what Len'g t h 'of timeth'ey ~qo.uld grant a variance, if t.h.ey se·efit to grant .one ;' They wouldn'twant to grant him a variance fo~ six months wh.en they know he c ouLd n 1 tpossibly get hi's mon e y' b ack , TheY are interes'ted' in knowing what kindof a tilRe period he wa'sthi'nking of~ Mr. Oe ch s'Le 'advised they have aLe as e with Mr. Schuler for five ·,ye·a·rs wi·th 'th~ opti.on to renew'. Mr.Hunter questioned' a five year lease?' Mr. Oe chs'Le a d vLsa'd' five yearlease' with' 'the option to, r en'ew, T,he 'thing is.· t.h er e ·again, it' 8 no tonly ·admissi·ons.· The: 'majority of th~se'animals 'are bo.ttle 'babLes , so'the kiddies. 'enjoy feeding a lot 'of the:lJi. or e I's e ·.th·ey f e e'd t h em corn orbiscuits, wh at; have you. And then also. the animals 'do notret'a:i.n.The.r·e t 5 . 'a Lz e ady 'a market .f o r. tih em - Zoological Gardens.' You g e t; aamaLl; lion cub .and in tw.O. or three monthsla,ter, of-course·.·· it .get·stoo old, bu,tthere is 'always, Toom for t.h em in s.ome s o.oLo gLca L park forpractically the same pric~ you paid for it. Mr. Hunter inquired, thispart 'of his ,investment 'then is 'fairly liquid.ated and providing they cantake 'go o d care of t h eza , and with the'i'r experience, he' 'is 'sure .th.ey'will. But t.h e vb udLdd n g s 'and the 'fences' 'and so' on. this would b e, atoug1).er one if this had to. be: 'ab and on e d, Mr. Oechs'le .ag r e ed. righ to

11r5. Tanger questioned' would h e have any objection if t h'e'y' would havethe Society ·for the. 'Prevention of Cruelty to An LmaLs 'to che c'k in atany time, the Rumane Society? Mr. Oe ch s'Le 'adva s e'd no. Mrs.' TangereJ<;plalned t h e'y feeT they' wo.uld have to, p r o t e.c t t.h ems e'Lve s. ·also. 'Mr.Oe chsLe a dvLs e'd The Humane Society ,qas 'down to the'ir pet' s tc r e manytimes. . The'y have got a c Le an bill of h e a Lz h, Mrs,' Tanger fel't thisis 'a d:\.ffer'ent venture than their s to r e t hou gh , they must admit this •Mr. Oechsle 'a g z e ed r Lgh t , they' are ~qelcomeany time.

Hr. "Palermo qu e s tiLoue d. this fi.ve year lease' he was talking ab o'u t , whendoes that take effect1 Is it this year? Mr. OechsTe 'advised. this ye·ar,y e-s ; lir. Palermo meant, the 'firgt of January, 1970? Mr. Dechs·leadvisedno. it would take e:!;,fec·t. the'q'ret'i!=-ally, a p p r ox Lma t.eLy this past May15th. Mr. Palermo ques·tioned· May, 19707 Mr. Oechs·l·e advised right.Mr. Palermo questioned, then'. also, a sign of some 'type; or wha't kindof advertising wi'll t.h ey' h a v e ?' Mr. Oechsl·e advised' they have signsthroughout the park. standard signs throughout the' 'park and cb.e'n , ofc cuzs e, therewo.uld 'be. 'a sign to the' entrance 'of Antmal Land Ltsel.f ,inside 'the, 'p a r k, Nr. Pale~mo questioned he would not need anythingnear the road then'? Mr. Oe ch s'Le a dvLs e d this is 'something that he didnot thfnk of, which 'p r ob ab Ly would be: advan t ageou s ;' let's ·say.· but ifthey, get to,that 'point, th.eywould,have to apply for it.

Mr. Hunter fel'.t Mr. Palermo's 'questi.on r a Ls ed ano t h e r one here. Ifapproval is 'granted' for this ·application, when wo'u Ld he 'ex'pe ct; t.o be.open to t.h.e public? Mr. Oechs'le 'advise'd well, if the'y got :approvalof the: 't.h Ln g j say,' tomorrow; t h ey ihop e 'to, be: 'open' by'. .Jun e 15th. Mr.Hunter que'ried two week's'?· Mr. Oechs'le a dv Ls e'd tw'o: we:eks.· Mr. Fingar·:Eelt he must' h av-e 'it 'mostly done t h.e n ? Mr. Oe chsLe 'advised no, they

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have ,done s ome .g r.cund wo.rk. on t.h a. 'thd'ng , b u.t; , ashe says, t.hey are 'ina po ad-t Lon to get quite a b Lt of help and, get' it ready rather, quickly.

Mr. Paler'mo q ueet.Lo n ed were they Lea's Lng t.h:LS 'Prop'er,ty just .Ln t.h e Lzmonths of operation! Mr. Oechsle ~dvi~ed no, lease ~t year around.

On questrdon of Mr. Hunter', if anyone pres.ent in favor of or opposed't~ this ~pplication, no one appeared.

IDECISr-ON: Unanimous,ly ,granted for a p e z'Lo d of -f Lv e years 'as -pe r'plans 'and spec'ifications' submitted at the: 'ti1l1e of thehearing.Op e r a t Lon to comply with all f edera L, s ta t e 'and c cuu tyr eguLa t Lons 'governing an operation of t.h f's type.Permitgran'ted for a period of five years 'or as long asMr. Oechsl'. 'own's 'and operates' said business, whicheverperiod of time is the le'::3's,er.Board would appreciate, having the btiilding plans submitted,identified bu.LLd Lng by', building, c.o r r e apond Ln g to t.he 'overall layout of ~Animal La~~" that was sub~ittedat the hearing.

At the 11arcli '1970 ',meeting of th'e, Zoning Board, variance, wa's granted,to Mrs. Elizabeth' 'Lash' ,'to, remodel', barn at 120: ,Morgan Road into a singlefamily resi'dence with 'the 'stipulation that plans 'for remodel'ling theb a.zn be: 'p r e s'en t e d to the Zoning Board of Appeals for the'i,r approvalb e.fo r e 'a building permit cou Ld be' Ls sued , Mr. Robert Walker appearedbefore the Board at this meeting with 'plans 'for the 'r emo deTl.Lng oft.he b a.rn for the 'Board's approval. Mr. Hunter', inasmuch as Mrs .. Tangerhad b e e'n acting chairman at .t h e March 1970 'meeting, had Mrs.' Tangerdiscuss' 'the plans wi'th 'him. '

Mrs,' Tanger, questioned', she believed' the: Board made 'a request that Ithey' s ubmLt; 'plans 'sho'wing t h f s 'p r o p o s e'd construction and 'bel'ieved,t.h.ee-e: are t.h.e plans that. we:re 'turned into the office; has 't.h e property'b e.e'n' s o'Ld now?' Mr. ·'Walke'r a dvLs e.d. no, have 'b e.e'n' all through 'theZon'ing Board. The, 'per'miss'ion has b e'en granted'. Mrs.' Tanger advLa e.d.weTl, th.e' 'point was, in the, d e c'Ls Lo n , whoever. wa's going to, b u.LLd thisinto a residence 'would h av e 'to have t ha. 'plans 'approved before :th'ey:'went ah e'ad , In other' wo:rds, wh'o'ever buys thfs property would remodel'it the way he wanted, to, but he would have 'to have 'this plans 'approvedby -us b e.f'or a he 'wen't -ahe'ad , Mr. Walker' s ubmLt t.Lug the p Lan.s .a dvLs e dthis is the plans 'and h e ILl, be, b uydng the property" Mrs, Tanger ques ti-cioned if he, '1".as 'going to, hliild t h Ls h cus e? Mr, Wall!ei: advised' yes'.,Mrs.' Ta,nger quea trLo ne d was he going to live in this hou s et He advisedyes. Mrs.' Tanger' q u e stLon e d these' 'are t he. plans ,then: and was a dvLs edyes. Mrs.' 'Tanger inquired and he had b o.u gh t; it? ,Mr, l\Talker' advisedwel'l, until ev'er'yth1ng is 'finalized, unles'sit's 'approved,' Mr. Palermoque a.tLon e d but these' 'are the plans submitted and they're hLs 'plans, theway he wants 'th:Ls? Mr. Walker advised yes. Mr. Miller questioned didhe: have ~ contract rin this property, a wr1tten contract? Mr. Walker'advised no, Mrs,' Lash ~s a partrier of his partner,'s, and Mrs. Lash andh f s 'partner ar.. in r e a'L estate, together, an~ if th:i~ is accepted and.th e ,p lans 'are approved, then the con:trac t wJ.ll be" sLgn e d , ,Mrs ..Tanger qu'est'ioned this is 'going to' be, a single 'family residence.,and hewitllive in it h fma eLf , 'his 'own family? Mr. Walker advLs ed yes.Mrs .. Tanger qu e strf.on e d this 'is not .fo r rental or anything? Mr. Wa:l.ke71a dvLs ed' no.' ',~r •. Palermo questi:oned. this 'isremodel'ing the, pre:sent at 'ucturewhere a t :Ls? Mr. Walker a dvLs e'd yes.' Mr. Palermo, questLone d.th',e: structu're is, 'n o t; 'to, be. moved or anything? Mr, Walker a dvLsed he, 'wo~ld like to, 'but ~t's too big, Mr. Fing~r questioned he,'~as notchanging the,outs'ide"st'ruct'ur'e, except the f a c Le r.? Mr. Walker agreede.xc'e p t; ,the' f a c t e r, Mr'. Fingar que s tionea no s t'ruc tural c h a n g e s. 'a tall?Mr. Walker' advised no structural changes 'at all. Mr'. Miije.r asked ifhe could leave 'a copy -of those' 'for. the:Lr file?' Mr. Walker advised he'could, Mr. P'f e tm.Ln ge z. quest'ioned was tih L's 's tr'ic tly a one 'family.Mr, Walker', a dv Ls ed ye,s. Mr. Lighthouse' asked if he: intended, to', startr-etno d e Lf.ng right' away?, Mr, Walker' advised' as quick as p o s s Lb Le , Hecould eith'er' have 'a trai'le.r' home moved, on to, the site or, c omp Le t e t.h.eb a.seuie'n t , and make 'two: temporroy be,d'roomsthat wo'uld be an office and


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a store room eventually. Mr. Fingar inquired an office~ Mr. Walkeradvised' well. office 'and s tudy s ' Mr. Fingar ques't'i'oned' was 'he in thereal ,estate 'bu.s Ln e s s-f: Mr. Walk,er' adv Ls e'd n.o , he' ru~s 'a twenty-fourhour plumbing and el'ectrical bu'sLnes s;: Mr. Fingar inquired not out ofhere. he was 110t planning it? Mr. l-l'alker' advised' no, had his mainoffice 'at Monroe 'Avenue. Mr, Firi'gar q ue.st.Loned' was he planning to,bring a plumbing 'truck home and store parts here? Mr. Walke'E' advisedno,' t lre r e wi.ll be', 'no st'or,age facilities for anything, Mr. Fingarinquired no cus t omer's will be: 'coming here? ME. Walker' advised' no. Hadan o f f.f c e , 2229: Monroe Avenue. Mr. Fingar qu e s.t.Lone d what happensduring the night. says, twenty-four hour service? Mr. Walker advisedhe: goes 'to Monroe Avenue. Mr. Fingar queitioned he goes to MonroeAvenue and gets, his truck or parts? Mr. Walker' aMee'd he wo'rks it ,from the s t a t Lo n wagon. Even'tually he'll be', 'able 'to, get'a flee't oftrucks 'on the 'road'. Right' now. there is ,five of them and t.hey allwork from station wagons. Mrs.' T,anger inquired they' all work out ofMonroe Avenue? Mr.' Walker' advise'd' yes.' Mr. Fingar asked if herealized: there can't be any t.h Lng commercial h er.e u n Le ss: ,ther'e' s avariance? Hr. Walker'did. Mrs .: Tanger','quest'ioned. his 'st'ation wa.gon.when'did he: 'have:lt at home, will it be', parked' inside then? Mr. Walkeradvised there will be ~o garage.' There's no garage ~rawu at the ~oment.

He did Ln t e nd b avLn g' an underground garage in the house ':ltsel'f. b uthas 'decided against that and later, build one to" ttl'e s Ld e , Mrs. Tanger,ques t Lon e d presently ,it would be:>parked ou t.s Ld e t' Mr. Walker' advisedyes. Mrs.' Tanger, questdoned and is it identified' by, the' name 'of hi'scompany? Mr. Walker advise~' no, there's no markings 'on it.

M:r. Pfenninger inquired' ,hciw wide 'is that lot 'I' Mr. Walker advised itis 138 by 400,. Mr. Fi;Jgar inquired h ow .Long he' 'thcugb t' thi'sis,go"ingto take? Mr. Walker a dvLs ed to complete,'the inside. it's going to"take him eighteen months. two y ea r s ;' Mr. Fingar a dv f s e'd 'they are moreconcerned' with theoutside'Z" Mr. Walker' a dvLs e'd the' ou ts Ld e , he hopedto have c omp Le tred in four y e-a r s ;' We!'l, t h'a t; is 'ai+ th'e,1:viudows 'anddoors. everything wi,ll be: 'in, b u.t the stone 'bLo c k WO'n't he, completed'until at least' four years," Mr. Fingar questi.oned there won't be stoneslaying all ove r ? Mr. Walker' advised oh 'no. the 'stones wi,11' be: "shippedin when he wa.s 'rea.dy -t.o get' it, Thisst'one is called farrow .s t cn eand i.t's: very ,light, and it~s j'\lst' cut arrd fitted in.

Mr. Pfenninger inquired wheat he wa:sgoing to' use' ',th,is b a's emen t; for.Before his' plans 'sh'o'we'd he 'was' 'going to' have a two, car garage in the,basement. ' What are 'you going to us.e 'the basement for now? Mr, Walkera dvLs e'd' his plans 'don't' 'Sh'ow 'a two. car ga ra g e ;' Mr. Pf'e'n'ninger advisedit 'did on the 'ak e t ch be had before. Mr. Walker' b e.Ld.e v'e d t ha t; wasa previous one put in. wh.f'cb he, "a.l t e r'ed, , He changed the 'plans. Thiswill be. the'r,e will be: 'a recreation room and this '(indicating) will be'a full bathipom and he~vould kina 'of ,like to have a swimming pool onthe, b a.ck he're (.indi,c.a.ting) that "is wh:y wanted a. full bathroom downstairs.'There t~i:ll be' "a storage' 'room. linen's, cases'. trunks.' Th'is will be', astudy (i'ndicating) and t he b od.Le r room "and the furnace 'and h ot; watertank and electric,panel.

Mrs. Tanger' inqqired ho'w .Lon g h~'tho',ugh t it will take h Lm to complete..this ~hing, to, compIet'ethe' ,whole structure 'they'se:€:' here? Mr. "l~alkei

qu e s ti Lo n e d ,,,hat they se'e? Mrs .: Tanger answer ed : yes.' Mr" 'Walker, '\a dvLs e'd four years .. b e.cau s e. he' 'was' 'doing it all hi'mse'lf; " Mrs. Tap.ger ,a dvLsed they', we,re 'c onc e r'ne.d, obV:iously, ab ou t something in a state ofconstruction for a long period of time. Mr, Walker, would love tosee, ,it done c omp Le ti e'Ly l Ln ei:ghteen months. but he' can't. The: inside.he, -Ln t ends to, have ',complet'e'ry ,finish'ed in e Lgh t e en months. Itwouldn't be all decorated, brit all construCtion complet'ed,

DECISION-: Unanimously approved plans and sp"ecifica,tionspresented'May 26:, 191.0; with all ext e r'Lo r constructIon to be',completed by', ,thi,rty (3'0,)', months from chi's 'day. 'Planspresented', by', Rob e'rt; Walker' on May 26. 1970'.,

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June. 23.: 197.0:

Roll Call was as £ollows:

A PubLic Hearing of the: 'Z~nipcg Board of Appeals of the ,Townof Chili, N. Y. was h a'l.d in the Administ'r'ation Offices" of the' 'Town'of Chi'li, N.Y: 3~3:s. Chi'li Avenue; Ro che'st ex , N.Y. 14624 .on June 23:;.1970 'at' '8~Oa ·.P.M. The He azLn g wa'sca11ed to order, by the 'Chairman,Mr. Robert. Hunte~.

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#1. Applicati'on of Daniel' Nicho'las,· 40.0, .Wes·t'f·all Road, for approvalto. convert from one family .(4 b e.d'r o om ) home to. two'-family, two.one be.droom apartments, house 'Lo ca t e'd. at 1502. .Scot tsv L'L'l.e Road,Ac c , No. 122:8:-100.). A z o.na , .

12" Application of Daniel Nich~las. '4nO We~tfall Road, for approvalto. convert three. family h ou s e and storage area at 1504Sc o.t t s v Lf.Le Ro.ad into. an off.ice bu.ilding with b a.s eme.nn .t;o be.used for' TnNe~or Trailer Supplies and Print Shop. Ace. No.122.8--000. A zone. .

'Mr. Bernard Levine, Attorney for applicant, with permi-ss-j:on 0.£ Boardlwould like to talk about both applications Df applicant ~t one ~ime

as 'they b o't.h 'per.t.aLn to the s am e parcel of Laud , only ·they have two'se-parate buildings on one parcel.

The ·first· 'a p p Lf.c a t Lo n pertains to the: b u'L'l.d Lng known as 1502. :Scottsville 'Road. The: parcel' of land is 1.2' .a c r e parcel located'on the ~ast side of Scottsville Road. It would b~, to pinpoint it,on other side of Schiano restaurant 'and adjacent to Genesee'. River'.The bUilding, as 'i t exLs ts now, .is 'a s Ln g La fami'ly dwe1'1ing andp r o p o s a.L is 'to ref'it it throughout. insi'de and out, to: make 'itinto two t h r'e e' .room ap a r rnrents., One 'on the 'first'floor and one onthe 'secc n d floor. What Mr. Nicho'lilS plans to do is corap Le te.Ly re-.surface the outsideo£ th~ building and it would b~ along the ~ontours

of the' picture whfch he 's ubrad t t ed to Chairman of the Board.Actua11ythat h o'me exLa t.s 'almost a d j ace nt; to the' 'p r o p o s e'd apartmenton the other side 'of the 'Gen'esee 'River' in B'rLg h t.o n , Picture 'o ft h'a t home, and p r o p o s a'L is 'to' duplicate' .as weT1 as can be', 'done,' t lra t;

p a r t Lcu l.a r home. (picture studied by Board). Area adjacent tobu.ilding, would b e, the' stnnes, would be'. z'eracv e d, bLa ckt.o p put in forparking and there would be. 'lawn planted', adjac.ent to it. Ther'e.Ls 'a porch 'there now, which would be 'comp Let e.Ly overhauled' and •g:a:r~'ge, eventually the' applicant Ln t.e'nd s to build g a r a g e onto,property.

Would like 'to'. talk ab o.u t 'application ifZ .Ln tandem with this. IThe' b~ilding involved in this application is what waB ~dca a threafamily h o'u s e , :wh:L'ch 'is now in faj.rlyrun down condition; as wellas ·the: onefamily,on the' 'same p a r c e L, and it is now b e'Ln.g u s ed fortrailer s aLe s 'and storage and most' of' it is ·actu·ally. va c an r ,' Mr.Nicho'.las 'plans to comp'J,etely renovate 'this b u.LLdLn.g to make it anoffice bliilding, au d . he .adva s e'd he' had submd t tre.d the f Lo or plansof b o.th floors. :of the' office bu.Ll.dd.ng , and, of course, the twofam:lly a p a r tmren t s as wel:,l. The: out,s;i.de 'would b e, complete.l'.yr e aur f a c e d' in asb'e'sto's siding and wo:od-' s Ld.Lrrg with 'mansand roof.He p r e s ent e d two photo graphs' 'of an ax'Ls ting b ud.LdLng which wouldpretty weTl be wh.a:t plan to do with this exi'sting bu.ilding.

Both of t h'as e- bT.iildingspresently .a r e in an industrial. z orie , The

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thili, N,Y. , x...xinsron P..arl\w;q. EI#>ria,. ,,' ~ ,, ' ,"#,4, iAPpU~ail0'1i1of ~ng.. S<1~~t,r

NOTICE IS HBREllY GIVEN rllat ,36 Harold Aven~'(Or "prov.1 "etec~tller~ will be a Public Boating of the ll: garaa. 13' ll: 22' 3·Fto east .1'clot'Zomng Board of APP~als of the fOwn 1bile at 36 t1arold"Avenuc. D zelle. ' ,or Chlli, to be, held In the Clllb,,'\d- 4:'5 ApjJIlCltllon I~f touis 0, l'reenian~mlnlSLtalian Office, 3235 ChIll Av.nue, ~1O JUgs-ciliil ToWlllirie Roal! approvalRochester, N.Y. 14624 on Jwae 23 lno to overate a kennel at 110 KigR.C1lilj.:at 8:00 P.M. to consider the [oBowing TQwJllinc Road. RllProx. S adnir doSSi'apPlIcallons: registered Vli'S)a (HungarlEll\ fluntlng'# 1. Appll~ation of Daniel NichOlas, dogs). property conslsung of approx,

400 WeslfaU RoadJ for approval \0 con- 5 acres. EE zone,vert from Onefanul)' (4 bedroom~ home ·'1I6. Application of ClaYIpR W: Bact·to two-familY. tW<5 one bedroonr apart-, ZM, 63 Ballantyne Road. for approvalm<lUIS. bouse located at 1502 SOPIIsviJle '10 erect a 16' x 22' garage (delached)Road, A«. No. 12~8-IOO) A zone. on propertY at 63 Ballantyne Roo/I, :3'. #2. Application. of Daniel Nicholas, from rear of house, 7' from e..t side400 Wos,lfaU Road. for approval 10 can' lot line. D zone. . ,vert three famlly house and storase All interested parties ate reque..ted 10'area at 1504 ScottsvUl. Road into an. 'be present. By ordet of' the Chairmanolflc. building witll basement to. be of Ute Zonine BORrd of Appeals of theused for Traveler 1'1aJler S1,lppllcs and Town of Cbill. N.Y. ~Print Shop, Ace. NQ. 12~OO. A WaC, ; , ROBERT HUNTI!R. I#3. APplleadon of Anna Terrell 36 . Chairman.

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n e Lghbo.r Lng uses 'are res'taurant,.lumber ya'rd ac r-o s svs t r-e e't , trailerpark across' street. Schi'.ano' s. 'is next-door a c r o s svs t r e et; 'also', andthere is 'an e quLpment; storage place 'to the 'north of the site. Therewould be 'app r oxLma c e.Ly , as'far as off ice bliilding concerned, approxi-mately 1850 'square feet' 'of u s eab Le 'office s p'a e e 'on each floor. Theplans they have in front of them do not have any of th'espace partition-ed. b e.c aus e they do not .know exactly wh,at needs will be 'and as theyarise', may find out one t en'an t wants half a floor and then canpartition :l.t that 'l'lay or scree'n: amounts 'as' n e ed b e., Sub-bei,sementto that building, tvhich 'Ls now just used for storage, wi'll also'b e. remodel'led' with' panelling put up and this will be: 'us ed, trailerpeople there now, will be, for theLr office 'down there and also theapplicant plans to place his printing equipment and't~at type ofequipment down the~e ~lsa.

As 'far' as parking goes', b aa Lc plot 'plan which they have in front .ofnh'em , ,sh'ows, 'area adjacent to, two buildings.' That wi'll be', blacktopand u s ed for parking. Much, more p a r k Lng s p'a c e 'there that can be:utilized' if n e ces sa-ry and area also' right' now just stones 'and gravelwhich will a LL be: 're strr f ace d and area' set .a.sLd e for land, grass'se'ed.as well as 'parking.

Would like to, amend the office 'application for variance to', ask forfariance 'from th',a: lOa,' s e t ba.ck requiremen,t wh'ich 'the 'ordinance 'doesreq'uirefor c ommer cd a l , Believes' 'se'tb,a:ck of office bliilding wouldbe. s omewh.er e in area' of 50 ',_55', from h f'g hw'a y ,line,' Their feeTingsare, the purpose' of 100' s e cb a.ck is to, p~rovideadequate off streetparking. FeeT ther'e 'is 'her',e witho'ut 100,', s e t ba.ck and there isa d e qu'a t.e 'parking on s Ld e s' as!' we:ll as 'rear.

Tha,t isabo'utall he had to, say about what applicant 'plans to, do tdthth'ese,two buildings. It goes', witho'ut saying t.h e s'evzwo' p r o p o s a'Lswould c ona t Lt.u.t e. 'major upgrading of land Lt.s e'L'f , FeeTs"all arefamil'ar with that parcel'; know'it would improve not only value 'ofthat p a r t Lc u Lar land, but would not harm in any way n e f.g hb o.r Ln g usesor parcel's which are predominantly industrial to' b e.gd.n with. Itis 'a Lso their feeling that the' view from the', 'Genes',ee, 'River', not .onLyfrom the h o'u s es across' the river, but from t he 'actual river itselfwill be' 'g r e atLy upgraded and improved'. Thi'nks would be of extremebe:nefit .t o Town to have 'thi's work b e'Ln.g done 'on property and theyrespectfully req'ues't Board give 'its' 'consider'ation to granting zhe s etwo, applications. Advised Mr. Nicho'las was here and either' of themwould be glad to answe.r any ques tions Board may have.'

Mr~ Hunter, just 'as 's t-ar t e r., ob ser-ved he bad shown them some p Lc t.u r e s ;:which t.he'y' would, they' indicated', expect to try to, duplicate interms 'of exteriors of two buildings. Re q'u e s'tr e d he give a br:iefd e scrLp t Lo n for the r.ecord. Mr. Levine advised to be, a little morespecific, picture 'of office building, this was 'br,ick and some typeof a sb e.st o s 'Siding alteinately hereon picture. Their's will notbe any brick as' ~hnwn he~e. their office bUilding will' be ~ome typeof wood s LdLng p r o b abLy , some 'type 'of a ab e'st.o e siding which almostgives, 'app e aran c e of b r.Lck , but not b r.Lck itself. He submitted thisphotograph to, shot.. .ov e r a Lf, view in appearance of, b ndLd Lng , would be:simila~to this ~n that Mansard roof used and basically same ~h~pe;

and ahap e of building he'relends itself very n Lc e Ly to Mansa'rd rooftype of appearance, but s Ld Lng itseTf wo,uld not' be, brick, but sometype of attractive woo d siding that is now .commonLy u sed in officebuildings. Mr., Hunter' questioned, window area would be, different,based on existing structure? Mr. Lev'Lne a.dvd a e'd windows in existings t r u c t trr e not b a.e Lc a.LLy exactly like those 'are, bu.t would be,s ub s.t a n t.La L'l.y similar to t.h os e 'ther'e.',

Mr.' Hun te r' asked for similar de s'cr-Lp-t Lo n for the' one family homep no p o s ed' to, convert. Mr. Levine 'advised this is b a.s Lca Ll.y -anasbestos s Ld Lrrg , This p a r t.dcuLa r photograph .ob v'Lo u s Ly , one, familyhome propose to make into ap a r t ment s is not same shape o r size: ashome in this p~rticulat'ph~tograph, but, wh~t applicant plans to dois copy, resu'rfacing thestruc.ture 'wi t,h 'same 'sort of s dd Ln g similar

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-t;o s Ld Lng in this 'p h otogr ap h 'and also to', inst'a1-l the shut.ters thatY01). e ee here adjacent ,'to, aa'ch wi:ndow .and paint t.h em some' appropriatecolor like' black. As ma t ter. .o f fact~' ver'y 'poss'i'bl,y same colors thatthey have here in this 'phcjc g r a ph ;.

Mr. Davis ~uestioned are ~here not Bome hous~~ back of th~s two~

family h o.us e? Mr. Levine advised' yes'~ two' co.c tage s;' Mr. Davisq ue s tLori e d right' in back of this house'? Mr. Levine advised yes'. I'to the~ .ctually ~n this plan, north is up to top of plan. wouldsay to the east there 'are two: c o ti tra g e s. 'and they have right, of wayout to highway" ye,s' ,there are. , Mr'. Fingar obsa'rved these' o t her.cottages use' same road as 'they d o , Mr'. Levine rep'lied b e.Ldev'ed. •do as 'p z-ac t Lca L matter'. Mr. Fingar qu e s t-Loned wh'o' owns road?Mr. Lev'ine advised this is 'on parcel of p r o p e r'ty road its~l'f on.Mr. Fingar questioned if going to do anything to improve entryon and off highway? Mr. Levine 'yielded' to Mr. Nicho'las.. Mr.Fingar quest~oned if they coulddq anything with 'that approa~hway. Mr. Nicho'las 'ques,tioned' one from Sc'ottsville Road? ThinksState owns 'that. thinks 'they would allow them to 'IY'iden that out.Mr. Wingar a.d vds e'd that was hi'e, 'only criticism, going ,in and out.Mr. Nicho'las 'a g z e ed little difficult coming iJ;lthis' way,. bu.t; notother way, b u.z if can wi'den that, quite a .Lo t of area to left, ,would be, .u p to s e a ee or Coun t y, Would be: 'glad to wi,den tha,t 'andmake en t r anc e ;' Mr. Hun t e r. questioned th'ey h ave not talked toanyone represen.ting State, a b o.u t; entrance? Mr. Nicl:J,olas 'did s peakto. s omeb o.dy -Ln State" 'on ,removing th,es'e' trees, 'along b a.nk , hightrees,' trhey go t 'Permis s'i'on to, take some of t hos e d own. and thinkssame fel'low' wo:uld .g Lv e 'permissi'on to widen zha t , Asked' them' on 'Paul Road if could widen t h eLz; drivewa:y over', there, did not have'any problam. Mr. Davis advised State ~wn~ that road down to, thatplace, Old Scottsville Road, access' zo.d owned by State. Mr.Nicholas .. using map, a dv Ls ed' right' down, to, this point down here" IThis ~art in h~ck here, that goe~ along railroad track, is rightof ,way.' Pointed out where 'owns 'to right of way' for c o t.t.a g e s ;' butcome down here under bridge and,use same road they USB, ' accessroad that comes ~n from Scottsville Road.

Mrs.' Tanger ,questioned approximate.l'y ho'w many c a r s 'can parking areathe,re .a c c oracda t e ? Mr. Nicho'las 'rep'lied' as many 'as 'lOa, .c azs , bu.td oub t.e d if ever' n e e'd' more. Thinks 'could very easily a c c omo da t elOn, 'cars,. have '100 I h e r.e to' park on and still go up to, here. ifwant to and use lawn area far parking.'

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Mr. Palermo q uestzi.on e d' t he 'numb e'r. of te'nants, his building, wouldac c omo da t e.. Mr. Nicho'las felt La r g e Ly on how .t.he 'p e op Le would'want office 'split up, might be: p o s sLb Le someb9',dy wants entirefloor and might have o n Ly -sLx p e opLe 'wo,rking in enti',refloor, onoth'et hand, a.s many a s 'eight s p'Ld t up wh e r'e only one 'or t wo peopleto each office.' Difficult .t o. say, do not know what people, goingto want. Mr. Palermo q1,les tioned. do not know" .one",bu.siness 'orseveral? }1r. Nicho'~as 'did not hive 'any idea, h op-e s' to, be able torent it 'all.

Mrs~ Tanger' feLt seems 'like, a tremendous improvement • Mr. Nf.ch oLashopes, to , , .a Lways 'ey'e.g'o're' up. to now, no t too much 'done .ab o.u t; 'improvingit, would like' to improve it.

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road right down to here, eventually hopes to build garage on here, and eventuallyroad come down to here. ~oth sides of road black top as far as parking and restlawn area and back here lawn area and in front (using map). t~r. Hunter questioned,using map, black top in this area and goes to where would be garage, in onefell swoop? Mr. Nicholas advised right, wants to make something nice. Thisbui Iding on Lyell Avenue, Route 47. On river wants to make something similar.Cannot duplicate it exactly, but tt:y to make similar to that and this .is onother side of river, (referring to buildings in photographs), did not explainto Mr. Levine exactly where was, just past Jefferson on River Road and doublehouse wants to make that look on that order. In other words they have eitherwood or asbestos shingles, and ~ants to make appearance like that. This istwo story, that is one, they would like to have this end up looking somethinglike th ls , .' Double house across river similar to What they wish to do also •

Nr. Hun'te r questioned how long do they expect either construction would take ifapprove it? Mr. Nicholas hoped to have it all done by spring. Mr. Hunterquestioned both appl ications? I~r. Nicholas hoped not later than next sumnerto have it all done by then. Mr. Lighthouse questioned intended to.startconstruction right away? Mr. Nicholas advised right. Mr. Palermo questionedby next sumner- wl l l be sufficient time to complete both properties, barringstrikes? 11r. Nicholas advised yes, barring not getting certain things done,hoped to.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present at the hearing in favor of oropposed to these applications, no one appeared.

fI.PPLI CAT! ot{ #1.FINDINGS OF FACT

I. Applicant owner desires to convert existing one family home, approximately40 years old, into two fami ly double, property located 'in Industrial Zone(Zone A).

2. The subject property consists of 1.227+ acres of land and also containstwo-story bUilding which applicant is applying for a variance to convertinto an office building.

3. Physical location of house for which app1ication is being made isapproximately 200 yards east of Scottsville Road bridge crossingPennsylvania Railroad tracks, approximately 100 yards from the GeneseeRiver and approximately 50 yards from the Pennsylvania 'Railroad tracr~.

Road bed of Scottsville Road is approximately 10' to 15' above subjecthouse a's it passes over the bridge .. Property is virtually obscured fromview of passing tr9ffic on Scottsville Road.

4. App~icant indicates by plans submitted that there will be adequate parkingin and around subject house.

5. No objections were voiced by adjoining property owners.6. Characteristics of neighborhood, aTthough zoned industrial is commercial

and light industrial.

COtlCLUS IONS

l. Unique location of property' r~nders it unsaleable as single family dwelling.2. Although Town of Chili Zoning Ordinance indicates no provision for two-family

homes, because the unique location and characteristic of neighborhood toallow this request for a variance will cause no economic devaluation ofneighborhood nor will it aesthetically harm the surrounding businesses

3. To allow this appl ication as per p'lans and 'stated intent of appl [cant regardingimprovemen ts of property, wi II probab ly en~ance the ne ighborhood·.

DECiSiON: Unanimously.granted as per planned:description presented athearing.

APPLlCATlor~ f/2.

DECISION: Unanimousiy granted.

;73. Appl Ica t lon of Anna Terrel l , 36 Lexington Parkway; for approval tooperate a yarn shop in garage at 36 LeXington Parkway. E zone.

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1/4. Application of Ge.org e ''schnd.dt, 36, 'Harold Avenue, for approvalto e r e ct; 'a garage '13 ", x 22:':, 3 ", to east' s Ld.e 'lot line at 36 'Harold Avenue. 'D a o.n e ,.

Mr. Schmidt appeared' b eFo r e. 'the: 'Board and Mr. Hunter presenterlsketch 't.ha't; h a d b e.en s1.l'bniitt'ed and d Ls cu s se'd informally a f t e.r theLas t: h e a.r Ln g , 'Mr. Lightho'use 'qu e st Loned he h ad an a t t.a ch e d garageon his home 'now. and was 'advise'd yes'.' Mr. Hunter asked Mr'. Schmidt Ito basically, -de sc'zLb e, it 'ag a Ln , . Mr. Schniidt 'advised just a simplegarage, 13 ", x '22': and h a'd only ,16' to his -iotline. so would like~ariance of 7' which ~ill allow 3', to lot line. ~r. Hunter questionedthe size .of his lot and was 'ad,vise'd 50 ',xl20,'. Mr. Hunter question&presently on che .ea s t; s Ld e of his home t.h.e z e were several vacant •lots? }lr. Schmidt .adv Ls ed yes" ch r'ee,'

Mr. Fingar q uestLoned if 'there wa's 'a s t e'p' problem and that was whyhe wanted 13 '. Mr. Schniidt 'advised original step. which is '3 'd own ,have '12': now. f e eLs ,if could, get' 13", Ln s t ead , for an Ame rLcan car12 ': garage does, not Leave 'much 'zo om , so' if asking .vazLan c e for it,might as wel'l ask for 13 r,. Mr. Hunter qu e stf.oned as he, 'rec'alled', t.houghwas to convert present garage into family room and use' 'new' structureas 'garage? Mr. Schniidt 'advised that wa's 'right. ,Mr. Hunte'r questiaedpresent garage in ho'use? Mr. Schmidt advLs ed yes~' making roof line'even wi.th exd s t.Ln.g house'.' Mr, Hunter asked 'if he had made any a ttemptto, purchase' adjacent property ,in order, to avoid this prob1.em? Mr.Schmdd t; advised' on east side, tried to' b uy it, b u.t; she' 'would onlysell b o.th lots" not just one 'lot. for tax purpose's', had consolidatedfour Lo c svaa vcne , She would not se'll just' one, he had offered tobuy 25", but she would not se'J;l that either'.

On ques.t Lon of Mr. Hunter, if, anyone p r e sen t; at hearing in favor ofor' opposed to th'isapplica,ti'on, no one aileared.

DECISION~ Unanimously, granted. I#5. Application of Lou f.s '0. Fr'eeman. 110 ',Riga.,..Chili To~,rnline Road,

for 'approval to o p e ra t e 'a k erine L at-ll0Riga-Ch,ili Townline Road,approx. 5 adul t d o g s ;' ,z:eg'is ter'ed' V'izs,l'a (H.ungarian Hunting dogs),property c on s Ls tip.g of a p p r ox , 5' a c r es;: EE z o.ne , "

Mr. Freeman appeared' before 'the Board. -: Drew 'up some' rough 'plans ofwh:a:tpens wi'll look like,' five p en.s ;: l8 t long, 15-1/2', wide; 3", x 3",coop on each and what presented' was si'de view. Double '2 "x 4 ',son corner, and planned' to use wi:re 6 ',~ heavy 2 .x 4 ,mesh, wire; Re c t; ,2 .x 4. Have 'approximatel'y five acres' 'of ground. 600', long and 409,'deep. Mr. Hunter questioned wh.e'n say coop', is this closed structureto, keep dog out of we athe'r'? Mr. Freeman advised yes'. Mr, Hunt.erque a t.Lcn e d , res't is open? Mr, Free'm'an advised yes, either cement orsand, recommend sand b e.c'au s e vcernen t is damp and it is e a s L'e r to,clean s a'nd ,

Mr, Pf en'ndn g e r questioned if t h ase ':we:re f.em a Le 'dogs. Mr. Freemana dv Ls e'd right now had two feniales'and"going to, get a .ruaLe , Mr. •Pfenni~ger qu e strdone d' if he'~vas. 'going to raise' 'dogs 'and Mr. F;reemanadvLs e'd he 'wants to. Mr,. Pf en'nLnge r' inquired how many .at; once. Mr.Freeman advised his application aska 5. Additional dogs most ofthem. Mr. Pfen'ninger', inquired if, t h ey we:t:e noisy doge?1 Mr. IFreeman a dvLs e'd' no. Have no n e Lg hb o.r s within quarter of mile.My. Fingar asked how 'bLg they were? Mr. Freeman adv Ls e'd goaround 80 .p oun de ;' ab o.u t; same 'as 'German Sho'rt Hair. Mr. Fingarinquired' if he hid a picture" and Mr. Freeman presented a pictureof the 'dog. Neighb'orsall called' up and s aLd if want them towould sign piper' all right to have them, b u.t; no close' 'nei'ghho,rs.'In fact" right in middle of Black Creek ,~ark. Lot o f . mosquitosbreeding, c an ' tgo o u t .to. swim~'ing pool to' use it .: Mr. ,FiIlgarqu e atrf.on e d if he, 'was surrounded' by: County" Mr. Freeman advisedt.h.r e e s L'de s b y, park and road on other. Mr. Paleimo qu'estioned'he own'e d property adjacent to Park? Mr. Free'man adv La ed t.h.eys oLd 50 ',SOlD.e 'acres off to, park, thi's 'is 1vh'at they reserved 5.2 'acres .:


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Mr. Hunter, ques ta.on ed he '.owned. some o f th'es,e dogs now? Mr. Free'manadvised yes.' Mr. Hunter ques±~oned bdth pictu~e~ are kind' of dogtalking ab o.u t? Mr. Free'man advis e d yes'.

Mr. Davis 'questi'oned he lives 'about'three farms 'from Morgan Road?Mr. Freeman a dvLs ed just wh:ere he'lived. Mr. D.D. Davis 'ownsthe property now, but in p co c e ssvo f making deed, bought with fiveyear op n Lon in 196,8, was Ke euan property. first farm in.

Mr. Hunter qu e s't.Lon ed' price range 'of dog. Mr. Freeman advf.s e'd$150 ,- $5,00.:. depends on how we,l'l b r'oke, etc. Mr. Hunter asked ifhe, could e.st Lma t e whit kind of Lnve s trmen't; .in this structure? Mr •Freeman thought p r o b abLy '$3.0.0... at least. Mr. Hunter asked if he'would build it himself and Mr. Freeman advLs e.d y e a.;: just drewplans .in a hurry.,

Mr. Davis 'q u e at.Lo n e d if he hid ho'r s es 'and Mr. Freeman advised fourand his boy has four and one pony 'and 7, b Lg hors e's , Mr. Pfenninger'questioned talking abo:ut9 h o'r-s es'? Mr. Freeman a dvLs e'd' yes', hisboy has ducks,- geese, p Lg e ons ;' z a La ed' hunting pigeons, even. has 'apeacock he found.

On qu.e st.Lon of t ho's e present at hearing if 'any one in fav.or of oropposed' to'. th~s 'application, no one 'a.p p e a'zed ,

DECISION: Rese·rved.

116; Ap p Lf.c a.t Lo n of Cl.ayton W. Ba e t z e.L, 63 '.Ballantyne Road, forapproval to erect a 16 "x 22'. garage (detached) on propertyat 63 ~allantyne Road, 3~ from Tear. of house, 7' from eastside lot line. D 2:dne.

Mr. Eaetzel' app e a'red before the Board. Mr. Hunt.er. commented Mr.Ba e t z e.L had come 'informally on May ,26.th and had sketch 'of what hep z op o s ed to, do. Qu e s c Lo n c d , he' had garage ,right now, t h f's wasgoing to pe torn down? Mr. Bae t.ze.L. a dvd s e'd after.. this 'is bu.iltif thisd.oes not get' b u.LLt; •.Leave 'old sit th.er'e. Mr. Hunter'ques.tioned, if ap p Ld.c a t Lo n approved' and garage built, he: 'will takedown old one? Mr. Baetz',el a dvLs e'd if get' contractor for goodfigure. Mr. Fingar inquired', ,if he 'wa's 3". from rear. other' onenow .aga.Ln s t; ba:cklot 'line, is it not?· Mr. Ba e tz e.L advised' no,he had almost 25:0'- Mr. Lighthouse' figured 35' - 40'. to main road,c t he r house 00- '. he is -right: on corner, imagined abo.ut .60 '/. Hr.Hunter inquired' n e Lghbo.r , thef·.r g a r a g e ccLo s est; bu.ilding to, hisbUilding? Mr. Bcre't ze.L advised ·righ't'. Hr. Hunter, Ln quLre d hewould. guess'25:' -30'? Mr. Baetz'.el felt 'almost 50'. there.

~lr. Pfen'ninger inquired' if variance. 'granted, would the: 'garage be.up in a year? Mr. Ba.e t.z'eL imagined' so', yes,- b e.c au s e going to,tea,r old one .down himseTf, di'd not know how much 'that would take,couple of months 'or longer if no more accidents, fe1'l off rooflast we,ek and hurt his foot 'and th'athting him up a little.' Mr.Hunter a dvLs e'd as he' could see. there wa.sconcern. t.h'ey' wantold structure taken down in reasonabl·.etime. Hr. Ba e ta e L advisedh ad to have ·.other up b e.f'o r e 'can tear this down to. keep stuff inthere.

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone 'present in favor of or opposedt~ this application, no one ~ppeared.

'DECI'SION: Granted unanimously. with ~tipulatiDn old garage to betorn down wLth f n 9 'months, 'from time .of Ls au'an c e of b udLd Lngpermit £or e~ection of new, larage.

'OLD BUSINES'S': From heari~g held May 26, 1970.

Applicati.on of AIda LeP'o r e , 23:4:, Fisher' Road for approval to. erecta 59', x 43" commercial bu.ilding, c on c r-e te b Lo c k and br.ick frontwith' 'a 63', front setback from lot line. at 3218 Chi'li. Avenue,14' on we,at side and 17 1. on east si'de; a p p r ox , 6 r. from rear

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At the Board's 'request Mr. LePore appeared to. talk to, t h em informallyagain regardi!1g his 'ap p-Lf.ca tion. Dis cus s'Lnn ' followed.

DECISION; Denied' by: ,the' following vote:Mr:Harringto'n ye,s, 'Mr. Pfenninger yesHr. Ld gh tih o'u s e yes',Mrs.' Tanger, noMr. Fingar noMr. PaLezmo noMr. Hunter, no.

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Hr. Showalter, mi.nister of Parkminst'er', Presby,terian Chur ch 'app e are d.informally b e.fo z e 'the Board withreg'ard to. an app Ld ca t Lcn th,eyhad made to, app e are d' be:£'ore 'th',e' 'Board at the' 'n ext hearing' forp e rmd.s ad'on to, e r'ec't a a Lgn in front of the' 'Chu'r ch , He wished to·starton the foundati.on' and e r'e c'z redwo:od posts where 'the' s Lgnwould go. and wished permiss'inn to go ahead. The' 'Board a dvLs edz hey could see no problem as '0£ now,' butcQuld not tell whatwonld transp~re ~t the hearing.

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A Special Public Hearing of the Zoning Board of Appeals washeld in the Administration Offices of the' Tow~ of Ch£li, N.Y.323:5. Chili Ave.nue, Ro ch e s'tiar, N.Y. 146,24 .on July ,14,,197,0: at'7:00 '1' .M. The Hea,ring was 'called' to order by, the Chairman,Mr. Rob~rt Hunter. '

Roll Call was BS £ollows:

Pres'ent: Mr. Robert Hunter', ChairmanMr. Charles Pfenninge~

Mrs.' Gertrude ~ang~~Mr. John R. PalermoMr. John LighthouseMr. David FingarHr. Richard Harrington

Also' 'present: Mr. Daniel' L. Miller', Deputy To'wn Att'orney

IFL Application of Stanndco Devel',opers, Inc." 40, Wildbriar"Drivefor approval of a variance~f 1-1/2+' on Building No. 4 ~f

Meadowbr,ook Farms', Phase No.1 from-:-North Side .'lot line.MR zane.

Mr. Jose-ph Dattore, Project Engineer for Stanndco Devel'opersappeared be.f'ore t h'e 'Board and' s ubmd t e ed prints for study by, theBoard. Ad v Ls e'd' building in qu'e strLo n , building No.4" wa's '58.86" from line 'and th:i:'nks 'setba',ck 9r bu.I Ld Lng lille 'was 'supposedto be.60!, so was '13":3/.4", off. Inadvertently in su'rveying, ,presume little b Lt of .angLe ,' too strong on b o.c t orn limb o fins t'rament', so bu,ilding' encroaching 13":3/'4"; on the, north propertyline.' Mr., Hunter, inquired if he, h app e ned to know wh.at would be,homes, wh,ere s Lde 'line abutted. He wa:s 'a dv Ls ed. homes 'on Parkway,thar back lots. Dis,c'uss'i'on was had on wha't the code called for.Mr. Da t t o-r e advised' t.he'y had discovered this 'and wanted to, be,SU1:e .did get. variance 'be.fo r e 'p e op Le 'moved' in. some wa,iting to,move in day 'after tomorrow. Mr. Miller' advis ed b e.Ld.e v e d ordinanceas now .s trand s ,40', distance :aIld if t h.ey' wi,ll r e ca Ll, put in someamendments to, o r dd.nanc e , Whe'n this was 'approved required' me etLn gnew .or d Lnanc e 'of 60', on this application r e q'ud r ed they mee t; .t.h at;ordinance: .s tanda xd ,

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~1r. Hunter', Lnqu Lr e d' if any of thei'r r epr e s'en t a t Lves' had talked', toany of the n edghbor s ;: Mr. Dattore 'advLs e'd not to, his best knowLed g e ,did not think it would be 'det'e:cted un.Le s's 'ran ta-pe on ne.xt b udLd Ln.g ,was 9~', or more. Mr. Runter inquired how ~and went from there andit was pointed out to him.

M;t'; ,Finga;t' pointed out read req'uired' 40,", in r e ar and this was 35',.Mr.' Hu n t.e z. thought special conditions made 'in t.hd's 'and Mr. Millera d v f.a e'd t h'Ls was 'approved' by Planning Board and Land s c'ap Lrig approvedby Planning Board.

On question of Mr. Hu n t a r if anyone p r e s.en t at h e a.rLng ill favoror opposed to this application" no one ~ppea:red. "

DECI8~ON: Unanimously granted,

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A Pub Lf c Hearing of the' Zonip.g Board of Ap p e aLs 'of the: 'Townof Chi'li, ,N.Y'. '[iTa's heLd in the' Administ'rati".on Offices', of the' Town'of Chi'li, ,N. Y.: 32,3:5. Chili Aven'ue, Ro ches.te'r , N.Y. 146:24: on July28:, 1970 .a t; 8~OO"P.M. Th,e' Hea',ring was 'called' to 'order by: the'Ac t.Ln g Chairman, Mrs.' Ta'nger'.

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#12.: Ap p Lf.ca.tLon of John' Rinieri, 29:6, 'Ch.fli...,Sco'ttsvi1le Road, forapproval to conduct, a commer.cLa.L enterprise', ret',ailing andinst'alling fences, at 29:6, 'Chili-Sco,tt8v'ille, Road. EE ao.n e ,

Mr. James Ro.bi:nson~' attorney 'for, the applicant,: ap pea.r e d. bef"orethe' ~oard. advising Mr. Rinieri had sought to, use house £orc.omme r'cLaL en't e.rp r Ls e of f e n'c Ln g business'.' After: Lnv e s'cLga tdo nfound most of p e o'p Le 'in that 'are a , at this time, not 'in favorof it and Mr. Rinieri was 'going to' livethe'r'e;, and goi-ng to be.a n.e f.gh bo.e of, che s'e: people,' did not think what wa:s' "asking would be', Idif{icu1 t, btitin view 'of wishes' 'and because he' wish'esto become' "a good n e Lgh.b'o.r , had asked'Mr. Rob Ln s cn to, wi',thdraw h Ls 'applicationtonight.

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111. App Ld.c a.t Lon of Donald J. Swa'rth,out" 78 Hubbard Drive, forapproval of a variance .to. build an unattached', garage 5' .of southside 'lot line. D zone, at 78, Hub b.azrd Drive., '

Mr. Swarth,o"ut 'appeared bef"ore t.lre Board, presented', s k'e t'ch of whatwi:sh-e.lf to: do, s h.owLng wherewi,she"d to put, gar,age, b a.ck 8', fromhouse and in 'line 'wi:th house'. Mrs .' Tanger', s t.udyLng s ke.tchcommented t.hat; wi'll put him within 5' of hi's lot l1.ne.' Questionedhow close' to, house' next 'door. Mr. Swa,rtho'ut pointed out theirdrivewa:y and 'hisdrivewa,y, so' p r ob ab Ly 25.' bet'ween, b e.Ld e v.e d 29:'to lot line and 12 .f r orn here to house', their garage s:i,ts b a.c k inover here (ua Ln g s k e r'c.h ) their's directly in line wi,th his, willapply ,for g a r age at house' next year, cannot use present one, toosmaLl., plan on t e'a r Lng it"down, and pu t; it n e az e r. house'.' Mrs. Tangerquestioned how far from other lot line. Mr. Swa'rthout advised •c omp a r a b Le distance, goes b a.c k and b o.z d e z a wa'ter', tower, 35,0', fromthat. Mr. Palermo questioned' his 'setback from road. Mr. SwarthoutadvLs e'd' 60'. M.r. Fingar questioned h,e, wa:s. -going .to, be: 5' from lot Iline and n.e Lgh.b o.x coming in next year, for 5'? Mr. Swarthout advised'has '12", driveway 'and going to b u.I Ld partiallybeh:fnd house.' Mr.Fingar questioned will be opposite, him? Mr. Swaxthout advisedc Lo s e-r' to ho'use 'and his house 'c Lo s e-r' to street", jog away from eachother, and also to prevent fire hazard, his will be, fireresi'st'a'nt sidi?-gon b oth s Ld e s;: c Lapb o.a xd by house', and he pointed out on sketchwhere 'fireresi'st'ant. He 'was questioned n e Lghb'or would want nro'car garage. 'too? Mr. S~varthout advised no, one c ax , wo:uld not h a'v eenough:room for, two' car, would have to, come to, lot line, his not,not' -getting it up by house. Mr. Palermo queitioned neighbox'sfeelings on th:i.:s 'and Hr. Swa r uh ou t; a dvd s e'd no probI.em, talked' to',him. Mrs.' Tanger commented he says 'already h aver g a r a g e ~vill taked own., Questioned Mr. Swarthout's. 'garage to, be: 24:', x 38','7 Mr.

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Swarthout advised yes.' M~. Dav~s advised he would have to take12 .s q'ua r e. feet off" gone over' 90'0 .s qua r e 'feet'. Mr. Swarthoutpointed out wheie would t.ke if o~f on width, did not want toob s.t r uc t hi's ,'back window. Mr. Pfenninger~fnqu,i'red ho'w much takingoff? Hr. Davis 'al:lvised'12 ,aquarefeet. Mr. Pfenninger thoughtthat would give h1'jIl more 'room hear then. (p,ointing) Mr. S,varthoutpointed out wa'y would prefer to' go, wou l.d rather.' have 3" to line.Hr. Davis suggested he renew application and ask for 912 aquarefeet, ask for that size. Already allowed 90n square feet, th~s

c omes to 912,: could, still grant that if wanted to, grant asper plans p r e e en t e.d. Mrs'.' Tanger ques'ti,oned would not need the38' would he? Mr. Swart:hout advised ,v.,nts ,storage, wouLd ratherhave depth than width. Mr. Pfenninger inquired how far was hisnef'ghb o.r from lot line? Mr. swarthout 'advised 12'" bu.t h e u s eup,' h~re, ,(u,sing sketch). Mr. Fingar inqUired did, he say 12', now and

. he wants', 'g a rage 'in th'eie? Mr. Swarthout advLs ed he wants to, jog hisin b ehd.nd the house'. Mrs.' Ta,nger' questioned did, he' wish' to amendhis 'application then? Mr. Davis 'advised he could ame.nd it here;put 'as plans -pr e sen.z e d here" did not make '.;lny difference.' ,Mrs.Tange~ suggest~d way to do it, as per plans presented, saya,sking for permission to keep t he. plans. Mr., Swa:rth'out wishedit that way.'

On que s c Lon of Mrs. Tanger' if anyone present in iayor of, or opposed'to this Bpplication, no one appeared. '

DEC,IS,ION:, 'Unanimously, ~ranted, as per' p Lans presented. (24:' x 38,'

'2., Appli~ation of Robert F. MacMillan, 7 ~onnie Lane; for approvalto erect .a 22': x 24', de t.a.ched' garage 7' from east si'de 'lot lineat 1 ~onnie Lane.' E zone.' ' ,

Mr. Macl1:illan appeared' b e.fo r e the' 'Board, and presented a plan of whatwished for study. His h oma is '70', back from s trree'r, has -SO' lot, has30 T from east sj;'~e 'lot line ,to his homg' and wa:ntato, put d oubLegarage, 22:', x 24,' just" east' of house', 8', think.s that is allowance,8' from h ouse," needs '3', variance because' has 'a s t.o'o p that comes, 'outto si'de" and driveway to come 'right: up h e're , has to move th,is way justa bit so', will· come 'even wit'hdrivewa:y coming up , . House' next 'to, him10 1 from-line. His hOUS5 70' back, has Ca~e Cod, his double garageon , east s Ld e 'of his 'lot. Thi'nkshe h a'e : 52 '. back of garage to b a.ck,lot line. Reason he wan t s vto. keep it 'up here, had several r-e a's on s ,one reason has 'hip roof p r c b Lem and tr,oubl:e with 'sn'owand eventuallywo,uld like to put family room on b a.ck , so' wanr s . to, keep t h.Ls areain here {po Ln t Ln g ) a n d h a'v e 'as 'open' to e n'd of family, room. Mrs.Tanger quesz f.o n.e d if needed doubl:egarage?' She was 'advised y e s ;' hadtwn: cars :and needs 'storage s p'ac e c. Hr. Palermo questioned where he,wou~d put the £amily room. Mr. MacMillan pointed out on corner here,be ,th'isfar away, has v ent c omf.n g from ,kitchen from s t ove j. would haveto be: at least' 10', from this.' Mr. Palermo, did, not wa'nt h Lm to,run into, prob~em with detached garage. M~. MacMillan thought of that,and did not ,want to come 'wa.y over" h e r'e , wo'uld rather come t h.Ls way,it ,is, 's ome tihLng in future.' He' 'po Ln t ed out on sketch 'wh'!-t front wouldbe'like,' Mrs.'T,anger' questioned' he did not have garage now?' Mr •MacMillan advised no. Mrs.' Tanger' ques t Lo ne d' if' hi's' n e Lghb o.r hada variance for his .. and Mr. MacMillan advised he was, second owner,,th'ought:' he was .ov e r. on' his side, was, 'doub,Le garage" not 'sure wher,ehe was fr:om lot line, comes' to, b a.ck :10t6, 'of' Un.Lon Street, was notsure just' how .f.a r he 'was.' '

On quest:l.on o f Mors .': Tanger, if, any o n e 'present in favor of or opposed'to this Bpp1ication, no one appeared.

DECTSION: Unanimously, .g r an t e d ,

113.', Application of Re g'Lon a L ValleY Agency, .Inc., 31,83 ',Chfli Avenue,for approval to, ren:-e~~ ,varian~e ,for, 4' x 4', sign on 10 1 , pole infront of 3183 'Chili Ave., app r ox , 20', from front lot Ld.n e ,"Sign to b e, 'lighted no later than 10:0'0 ,P.M. B zone.

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c a.Ll.e d i.n turn and a g a Ln a f z e.r' other applications h e'azd ,

DEC,I.sION:· Deni.ed' due 'to n on-eap p e'a z an c e of applicant.

#4., Appli.cati'on of Dario Marchi·oni, 21: Alfred' Avenue, for approvalto, ereet a house' on Lot ZO:F. e2A). 'Alfred Av e nua , in line ,'1ithexist~ng homes in area. Lot siza SO', x 120:' D zone.'

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On qu e st.Lon of Mrs. 'Tanger if any o n e '-pre,s'ent in favor of thisa p p Ld c a t Lori , no' oneappea'red. On q'ues.tLon if any' one p r e sen.ro ppo s ed to, th'isapplica,ti.on, Mr. & 'Mrs.' Knight, 22 :Alfred Avenueappeared and advised this ho'u s e 'wa:s 'going to, be: up in the air andtihey have 'a anraL'L h ou s e, on aa'ch 's L'd e :sin·a'll h ou s es;' bu.nga Low ;'ranch s t.yLe ;' Mr. Knight', 'a dvLs e'd' wa'.te'r p r ob Lem, Riverdale '.7': wa,ter,table,- most draining in road, some in sanita.ry sewer. to get ·ridof water', .\vh:ich ·is 'a g a Lne tr z u Lesv Thi's b o'us evver y close ,'to: them.Mrs.' Knight felt'it wi.ll be, way ·up in air, h Lg'h e r. than their's. Mrs.'Tanger', advised', he' 'was el'iminating his .wa t e r. probl'.em· bybu.ilding thisway. Mr. Knight f e L't; only 50' lot t h ough ;. the'y have, t>.ro lots', havet,,,,o lots. 'combi.ned in'to one; and he wi'll be, right in b.e.t.w e.en and thiswill be: .s t Lckd n g way up and o t h e r' h o'u s e .on SO', lot. One, 'on 't.ha t; side,not .ro om to' b u.LLd garage, the'y '....an t e d to b uy t.h.f.s lot 'and could notfind who had it., "Peo'ple inoved" out and other people move d. in,Mrs.' Knight did not wa'nt bi',g ho'uselike ,th'a·t nex"tto, them. objectedt.o. type o f house. Mr. Knight' fel't very u n f ad r , 'they' have lived t h e'r'e15'':''16 'years.· '. Mr. Paler'mo· q u e stLo n e d' the:, he'igh t of the·ir house' andMr. KnLght; 'a dv Ls ed' 12', high.' Did not have b a.s emenc , bu.L'l t; .hou s e'hfmseTf. Yo u r c an h ft wa.ter: at 7', did not wa'ntany cellar, justutility'room 4', c rawL s pa c e 'and pipe under: the'r'e;, has' no p r o b Lem ,Mrs.' Knd gh t' felt wi'll not ge·t'anywhere with, big h-ouse' like that.Mr. Knight ·advised people' 'across' ·street z unnLn g wat er. into a t-re e t ,Mr. Palermo q u e st Lon e d' Mr. Marchioni. on the: height. ·o.f this house"Mr. March:L:oni advised 20', from grade, Mrs.· Knight advLs e'd' that istwo-stories" All snra'Ll, h ous e's there. Mr. Mar'chioni advised onlything, trying to, do, get' small h ous e; lift. 'it up to .g e t; rid ofwate:r, p r ob Lem , It l's high, blit ev.er".ybo.dy b u'Lkd Ln g 'two· stories ·there.Mr. Davis ·inquired the' 's Lz e of their house and wa:s 'advise'd 24. ', x 32,1,.Mr. Davised a dv La e'd they wer'e a b o'u t; 20'.0 .s q, ft. of what, Town' requires.'Mr. Knigh t ·advis e'd' it was approved. Mr. Davis a dv Le ed cha'ng e d z onLn.g ,t oday has 'to, be '95'0 ".s'q •. ft.' Mrs,' Knight understood Lo t art.her'e hadto, be. ·,751.. Mr.' Davis .advLs e'd 80',. Mr. Marchioni advis·ed' builttWD 'bi:g houses,' 'had land, madeth'em into, 100,'" bu:t, 'situation here,hous'e ·on bo'th-si·des.· Mrs,' Knight', qu'estioned w'hat ·about side.on hisown, from first hduse righi t~ corner, why not bQild b£g house ~ve~

Mr. Marchioni app eare d before t he. Board and submitted'. plot planshowing p z o p o a ed' location of h ous e 'an.d. p Lans 'o f house' proposed to.e r-a c.t o n -the lot, for study. What 'isaksing for is to build h o'ua ein line ·with exis tLng h ous e s' 'and , according to plot plan, 10 '.from west' s f.d e 'Lo t; line, 14' from east side Tot line, 40'. fromfront and 40:'. from back and hduse to, include an intre~al'garage

so wi.·l1 not be, 'any further' app Ld c a'tLon , Mr. Finga'r inquired ifhe built on e next door to. left?· Mr. Marchioni' advised put one onChester, ,that wi,J;l be. almost Ld e n t.LcaL; onlyth'is, with' this would,like to put balcony in front wi~h ~liding glas~ door. Mrs~' Tangerinquired, t hLs ·is 'lot bet'w·e.e'n two: h oue e-s? Mr. Marchioni advised t.hLsis b etwe.e'n two· house·s,- so' no oppcr t unLty to purchase lot'to be: b Lggez ,Has house's', 'ex'isting n ow ;' wi:11 be: ·24:', from ei'th,er house; counting allland, e ven with '10", and 14'. Mr. PaLe rmo que st L'on e d the"y-'h,ive· 'sameth',ing? Mr. Marchioni advised on this side" 16' and 10 T, over, hereeli,sing plot plan) This will b e, higher, than one 'o n Chester, Stree'tso no wa t e.r , Mr. Fingar questioned' if he' co·ns·i'der'ed· a s k'Lng fordouble ~arage? Mr. Marchioni advise~ if did ask 'for another garagestill wi.ll have a no che.r 12 T. for garage.' Thei will notice ty.pe ofhouse' he wish'es to bu.ild, no b a.s emen t , will be. raised to a levelheze ,'. would not be: 'any water', problem like 'on his own house., Houldbe, 'no chance o f wa.ter: in ba:sementand c r a cked. wa:11s wi,th watersitu·ati·.on. Mrs.' Tanger· q ues t Lone d if thi's would be, below 'surfaceof road? Mr. Marchioni advised he will b u.I Ld garage 'according toTown sp·ecificati:ons:'1.6' ab o've s t z e e'r ;: '

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there1 Mrs.' Tanger advised' he was just asking for this lot, notenough building' s p'a c e on this Lo n ;: many in Riverdale; and sheexplained whY h~d to come in ,for variance.

Mr. Miller, inquired' whe'n he had acquired t,itle to, this lot? Mr.Marchioni advis e'd' a man th 'ago. Mr. Miller' ques tioned' who' hadt1'tl.e bef.ore him?' Mr. Marchioni advised he pu r cha s ed it fromCount~. Mr. Mille~ questioned age ~f house on other side ~f thislot. Mrs.' Knight' advLs ed about' five 'yea'rs,' not ovet: five years.Mr. Miller qu'estLone d who b u.LLt; that? Mrs.' Knight a dv Ls edCarbo~ne. Mr. Fingar ques'tioned, if the',yhad t'ried to bu.y thislot? Mr. Knight', 'advd s e'd has 'tried, but did not know who ownedit, cost lot' of money ,to ge~ title. trBns~ction that had not beencompLe ted , ,they did not need it at time; so let' it, go and did notgo any further with 'it. Had two lots, 'and later' b ud l t garage.Mrs.' Knight', advised and they o p p o s e'd on account of water, s L't.u'a t Lon ,

No one fur t be r' a p p e a.r e.d' in opposi tion to this a.ppLdc a.tLon ,

Mr. Marchi'oni advised' nei'ghbo:r to left is in favor of this. Mr.Fingar told Mr. Marchi',oni he would think it would be, wise' to tryfor variance b e.fo r e he' bought' lot. Mr. Marchi'l;mi unde r s to odvariance, on this 'lot was 'approved, b u.t never u s ed , WheIi wantfor applicat~on told expired for six monthi. Mr. Fingar commentedhe was 'taking a. gamble. Mr. Marchioni advLs e'd he' 'was going t.o: budLdd e c en.t; looking h o'us e, not cheap b e.c'aua e' he had t o. look at it. Mr.Fingar felt he b o'ugh t; h Lms e'Lf a p r ob Lem , .Mr. Marchi'oni advised it1:s, 'full of weeds,' n ob o.dy cleared' it 'and orie 'r e as ou wish'ed to. puth ous evefre.r'e , Has 'oth~er land th.ere, going to, bu.Ll.d , lOOT,. Mr.Fingar felt s hou Ld buy on c on t Lnge n.t; b a's Ls .. and wa:s advised' couldnot t'lith '.Co'unty., Mr. Marchi,ont',advise'd came and saw empty lot andfeIt mLgh t 'as we,ll. lived acrosss tr'ee't.

DEC-r.8-rON:· Unanimously, ,granted'.

#5.' Application, of Riverside CI'es'ner·s,.. 135, Clifton Stree't., forapproval to, renew' 'variance for approval of 3 r x 10 '. .illuminated' sLgn , plastic faced', wi.th metal frame at 27:09',Chi'li Avenue.' E zane.

Thisapp1icatlon called, no one .app e aze d , Ap p Lf.ca t Lo n a gaLnc a LLed' .af t e'z'. pubLic hearing finished" no one 'ap p e a r e d ,

DEC,ISION: Den,ied' due r o. non-appearance.',

Iff'>.' Ap p Ld c a t.Lo n of Parkniinster' Presby:terian Church. 27:10 .ChiliAventie £or approval to erect a permanent sign on prope~ty at21.10.Ch:i:,li Avenue., 10 I long, 8' h Lgh ,' on top, of planter, 13",.Lo n g , 2', high; ap p r ox ,: 35,'-40,' from edge of Chili Avenue.E z o.ne , .

Hr. Sh owa.L t e r, Minis te r. of Parkmins ter Presby.terian Church ap p e a'r e dbefore t h.a Board and p r e.s ent; sketch of wh;at the·y'p.ropose'd'. 48.10'to road., t,.,o a p'o t; .light's 'on either s f.d e 'of s Lgn , "o'n same 'timeras 's-teeple o n , whi,chisapproxi1natel,ydusk t~,·ll:OO, ',P.M'- }irs.Tanger. questioned', lightsdirec·te.d on side?' Mr. Sh owa'Lt e r. advisedye~, on ground facing up to sign, raised lettering, mad~ byp r o f e s sLon a L sLgn company. Ren'dition of what .p r op o s e'd s t ud Le d,by. Board.

On question of Mrs.' Tange:r' if anyone p r e s'en.t in favor of oropposed to this a p p Ld.c a t Lo n , Mr. Eug e n e 'Hill, 31. Wes',tway was infavor of :it".Hr. CantweTI, 10 ',Wes.twa:y Court ques.ti'oned if th'i'ssign f ou n d a t Lo n already in there and was 'advise'd y e s .•· He hadn o ob j'e c t Lon . Mr. Gracey'" 742, .Pa.uL Road wou Ld like to. speak infavor of th~ ~~gn.

No one vs pok e, in o p p o s L't Lon ,

DECISION: Unanimously, granted.

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417, Applicati.on of Chester Woodhams', 24 .Sunnysi·de 'Lane,- for approvalto. erect 'an addition to home ·at2li. :Sunnys·i·deLane; '26:" x: 23'.',to be a garage and mud room. one corner 8 t from north side lotline. one corner 42.': from front lot .line,. as per s ke c'cbat tach e'd' , E 'zone.

Mr.. loJoodhams .,·appear.ed· b e.for e 'th.e 'B,Oard and p r e s'ant.ad renditi.Q,n in Ib Lack and wh~te showing what p r op o s e'd , Ad v Ls e'd in awkwa:rd position,to e n ab Le 'front e.nt r'an c e to, garage would like .to. do t.his (iudicatingon rendition) so' can change 'drivewa:y 'asexists now and th,ereby, hisn e Lghb'o.r t s 'driveway wo'uldnot be. adjacen't, Mr. Davisqu'est.ioned· ifthis was 'on corner and was advised: it. was, The' rendition wa.S •studied by: .Boa z d , which 's how e.d what he' 'wi:shed and how :would e f'f e c't;his n e f'gb.b'o.r , It was pointe:d.out. wh'ere ,~o:uld be: ·.8 t , from 'Lo t; line,Mr, Fingar qu:est'i'oned h o'ue e 'oil. si'de 'is not s trand a r d s e.t.b a.ck ? Mr,Woodha'ms .advLs ed no. 45.' origina1. variance. on t.ha'c , Mrs " Tanger'q uea trf.on e d t.h e tc o r ner 42.': from f r cn t i Lo t; line and Mr, Woodhams'advised yes., Mr. Palerino questioned s Lz e. of lot 'and was 'advise:d'..115', x 177', Mrs.' Tanger quest'ioned"ho'wclose wa:s new 'g a r ag e ? Mr.Woodhams p oin ted ou t corner, 8 t .. and whe're '12 '., so would' be 20: ". to:n e Lghbo.r , Mrs,' Tanger que s trLo n ed if he had talked to. his n ext; doorne Lghb o.r on this 'and Mr, Woodhams 'advise'd he' had. bu't; 'saw him inaudience tonight.. Mr. Miller que s't Lo ne d at time ho'me bU:ilt s e cba'ck. 45.'? Mr. Woodhams 'advised' variance, made on t h.e s'e' homes 'at .that time,4~'" Mr. Mille~ questioned his setb~ck as w~ll as $ide line? Mr.Davis 'ques'tioned did he '£ace5unn-ysi'de? Saw .10' and only asking for8 t and· o t.h.er si'de not,chang·ing, It was pointed out wh.ere 42. 1. wish'to: front 'and' pointed' out wh'e'r'e wi'sh'ed front 'entrance and not 'adj acentto n e Lghb'o.r t s ·driveway.· Mrs,' Tanger questioned. 26: t . It 23:", includesmud room and g a rag e Z: Mr. Woodhams' 'advised' yes.'

On q ues trdo n of Mrs. Tanger if any -one prese.n.tin favor of t.h.Lsapplicati.on of Mr. Woodhams 'or oppose·d. to'. thi's ·application. )1r.Hors t' Sch'ioder ,of 18 5unnys·i·de Lane advise'd he.' 'was nex'tdoorne;l,'ghbo.:r •.and f Lz st; .time h e i h ad seen any plan of t hd s ; Basi·cal1.yof. course', .did not :li~e' 'it 'b e.c.au.s e ',two' garages' 'do not look ver'ygood, does' b Lock his' view 'down street. by. ·3 r" Furthermore, anotherquestion, he 'is '42'. awa:y? He. 'was ·advise·a his garage, He 'produceds ke r ch 'sho'wi'ng how his house' was .. house 45.' from front line,. andgarage 53' .... · me·.is 12'. from lot line and if he. decides'. :to extendhis 'garage:,- wo.Uld he have' to'. apply ·for variance. Mrs,' Ta.nger·advised' yes'.' He inquired to: get ,10 '. could put 2 I:. would like. to.know .diseance from here to' s trr e e t; ...· -Cp.oLn t Lng ) Mr. Woodhams'advise'd~ .fu r rb er. than 45. t , corner 42':, did not know 'exactly, wO'uldsu-ppose' in n e Lghbo.rh ood of 50 T" M'l:'. Schroder. did not know angle'set ·.on lot. Mr .. Woodhams 'pointed' it.out.to him. Mr, Schroderwould say,· if this corner is 'not 'protruding in front of garage allright', b u.t; wo'uld hate bo'thback and s Lde of garage in his frontgarage. Mr, Woodhams 'advised width wa's 2.3:'·... it wo:uld not be: in hrsb a.ck yard. Mr , Shrader' advised if not that ,,,ay he a g r e e's., Mr.Palermo t.ho'ugh t. c'c r n e x ~:ond 53" of hi's 'garage; Mr •. Shrader. f e Lt;:hard to. say,· he' 'd o e s. 'not know angl·e,-. hi's house' :l.s,45'. garage '53 ".back,' Mr, Fingar explairted 'his point,: ~w,uld be' further b a.ck from •his garage. ~r, Bhiode~ felt if his angle is Tight'. Mr.Woodhams 'advised' roughly -sam e 'line wi:th 'h o'u ae , measurem.entstake'nin line ~i1ith' h o'u s e map. angle :Ilo~:right: he5£ ':per:haps, but .figures· .1were correct.' Mr, Shrader felt .l.fdoes;-s.~l.ck 'b.a'ck corner. in frontof hi's 'garage, it is O.K. with 'h Lm, Mr, Woodhams ·exp·lained. th.i·sis almost.· Ln line wi'th his 'ho'use 'asit is now. and hrs ho'use s L't.sb eyond garage. Thi's 'is .a Lmos't; in line with h ou s e. 'and ang1.es.eve r.e , s·uresi:ts·. 'ba:ck at .Le a's t; 50'., Pointed out his original planand garages ·e.ss·enti·a:l:ly ·in line, .. so changed' it so as not ·to be: inline wi'th 'each o t.h'er, tih.ou gh t ,i t wo:uld be. bat.t.er·.,

DECTSION: Unanimously granted as per. p Lans 'submitted,

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1/8. Applicati',on of John, J. Nacca. 2655 Clover, St •• Pittsli:lrd.N. Y., for ap p r ov.a L to, e r'e c't; 'a "For Sa'Le " s Lg n , 4', x 4',on property located at l74~ Schttsvtlle Io~d, ove~all

height 7' approx.' from Eround. approx. 10', from road. Bzone.

Mr. Nacca appeared' before Board and s ubm.Lt t.e'd : rough 's ke t.cb ofthe sign. which is 'already 'up. 'Sign is, '4', x '4 ': and is on existingpost's, they are half t e.l.eph o'n e 'poLe s.vwhf.ch have 'b e.e n sunk in. 'p r ob ab Ly from some previous s Lgn , Mrs.' Tanger que.s t.Lo ned howlong he 'contemplated' n e e'd'Lng s Lgn , Mr. Na'cc'a hoped not very long.would like 'it up at lea's t' 60 ,more1-ays, 'if' can. Mr. Fingarquestioned if h~ ~wned this land. Mr. Racca'advised ye~, fiveo'f them. quite 'a b Lt of vandalism' 'going on. cannot b r.Ln.g it backas 'hoped to. Hope to, se'll ~it as, 'cannot financially br:ing it backto what inte'nded' it for ... , He wa's 'ques't'ioned if house 'was v a c a n z Z.Mr. Na c c a advised' thr'ee btiildings,' all emp t y , no one 'living onproperty right' now; not fit ,for it.

On question of thdse present if any one ~n favoro£ or opposedt~ th~s .pplication~ no one appeared.

DECIS ION: Unanimous l'y granted fa r a period of one y ea'r , wi,th't he right to reapply for a ren'ewa,l.

fl9 • Application of Stallion Developmen't. 41,0 .Ex e cu t Lve 'Of ficeBu.LLdLng , for approval to er'ee't' a ttITo-family house- on Lot .7,Stal-M~r Circle in Paul Road Est'ates Su'b d'LvLa Lon , .Loc a t e.d'ataPl?rox., 734..1'au1 Road in E zone.

Hr. Charles' Lis50Y1', of Stallion D'ev'eLoptne.nt; Corp., appeared' b efi o r ethe 'Board and s trbmdt t e d a picture 'of, the 'p r op o s e'd two-family homet h e'y wi.shed to, e r'ect , Onlyrea'son proposing t.hds 'on this 'pa.r ti LcuLa r101;" wanted', 'it for his own, house,' siugle"-and did not 'want singlefamily. t ho'ugh t; get' some 'income' from' two:-fami'ly. Hop e f'uLj.y sta r ts ub d.Lv LsLo n sometime 'th,i's 'fall, lot way in back. Mr. Palermoinquired', th:e house - si'de by ,si'deor up and down. Hr. Liss'owadvised s.Ld e by: s Ld e , garage.on eacii si'de of house. b udLd Lrigline is .lmost 90,',. f~gured lot is, ~a' in front .nd apprOXimately90', back f u r t h.e r. and 120:' in back and 100",. dimensi'ons 'of house54', without garage.' they' would b~aet'ach~d. would b~ 18~ on eachs Ld e , Garage wi'll b e. b ehdnd , dirvewa:y coming in on angle, come'up vs e r a Lght; to side 'and curve 'to, b a.ck , thi'nk:ing is 'to: have 'garageon each .sLd e , Hr. Palermo qu e a z'Lo n e d no part' 'of garage 'would be' ,expose'd from road? Hr. Liss'ow 'a dvd.s e'd. no, t.h'at; i.s why, thinkingput it be:h'i'nd it.' Hr. Fingar queStioned Lo c a t Lo n of old b a.rn,and he', wa's 'advised t h.Ls has 'a Lze a d y b e.e'n approved' by' Planning Board.Mr's.' Tange~, qu e.s t.Lone d if all t h e's'e 'lots 90,', and Mr. t.Ls s ow .advise'd.' some are "85" there hail b e.en some variances. Mrs. Tangerquestioned' this would be, hi's 'own' p r o p e rt.y he planned' to, bu'LLd ?Mr. Liss'ow .adva s ed yes.' Thinks house 54-55', could put just' one dx Lv e.-'way, put two car-garage behfnd and have one driveway.' De tached'no ma't t e r' wh"i"ch 'way did it. wh:e"tb"e'r', two, or one, still wo:uld be:detached'. Mr. Fingar inquired'" each 'side 98(}, .s qua r e 'fee't? Mr.Lissow .advLs e'd yes'. ' Mrs. Tanger' inquired what abou t 'oth'erg 'oncul-de-'sa'c, wi'll they" be. 's LngLe ? Mr. Lissow 'a dvLsed .yes', as 'faras know , t h Ls 'is just .for himseTf. He wa's 'qu,estioned, wh'en planned'to, get 'sCarted. He 'advised' as 'so'on as 'drainage 'approval, hopes' to,have 'sometli.ing up this. 'F'all.

Mrs.' Tanger', c omment ad as he knew .. only wa,y they" can grant varianceis on /:i'ardsh'i'p. Mr. Liss'ow .dLd not know,th'is.' Knew' making changes'in tw'c'-family z o.n.Ln g , thought they we.r'e , This is .'really .no t;

hardshi'p, not .c.LaLmdn g any h a r d s h Lp , Mr. Miller', advised couldb~se his position on ~ractical difficulty. Mr. Lissow ~ould notthink of good one; thought" wo.u Ld be: 'lot ea'si'er, for 'him n o.t; havingt~ travel. would be: ~i~htonsutid~vision. Mr. Fingar inquired hewould have 'th',at bu:ilt in h eze ? Mr. Liss'ow :advised' prev'iously.Mr. Fingar Ln qu'Lr e d wh.at in time 'to, come? Hr. Liss'ow a dv i.s e'd rightnow pfan on s tayLng there, more land in Lmnredf.a t e area and live, therehimse'lf.

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On question of Mrs. Ta~ger if any 'one p r e s'en t, in favor .o f or opposedto this 'app Ld c a t Lcn , Mrs. Wyle,' ,736. 'Paul Road, 'speakIng for herhu s b an.d and h e r's e Lf wa.soppos~d' for first' r e a's on , at 'last timeasked and was 'denied any d oub Le 'family ,dwe:J.'lings 'in aub d.Lv Ls Lon ,Sec'ond, traffic on that circle, two' sura'Ll, , Let .on e in there andbe.fore 'through; w'ho'leare~. They denied it last time, Theyoppose' it very much.',

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Mr. Harold Perrin. 738',Paul Road, firs,t of all opposes it, g.oing into'l-circle,' p u t t Lug mu l t Lp Le 'dweTling into. circle; c r e ate s h a'z a.rd onSta'te 'Highway" increase's' 'flow :of traffic, Statement made b e'Long sa company, would like 'to, flood ;i.t wi'th ',the'ni,if did have one, '17.15. We 'cannot h an d Le 'itf~,2bper,ly set: up to, handle multiple'dwe,llings 'of this 'capacity. Only ob j.ec.tLo n , is not setup tohandle ':th.isone. Running into. p r ob Lem , s ta'kdng who'le corner lotb a.ckLn g up to, his. Says" 'ga ragea 'cannot be: se:en,if on circle "h av evzo. see', garages'.' Several th;i:ngs just: does not 'add up to, wh.a,tis be:fng sa:id and what is 'be.Ln g produced', ,feel if. talk one ,' t a.Lk15, no mat tre r h ow .Loo k ,. cannot ,ta:lkon.e 'wh'en talking about d eve Lopmen't;that s nra'Lf, wh,er'e 'only way man wi:ll get b y., 15 -Ln there .n o matter howlook at 'it, b u.t; when' do that 'same thing in Brighton and Hen r Le tta ,putt~ng in application for one ~~ ge~ l5 more,'

Mr. Eckerson, 14 'Westw'a'y Court b a'ck s up to. property.' Garage" ofcourse', he claims not v Ls Lb Le 'to, c u L de 's a'c , b ut; .th e y look b a.ck toit. Could he 'ask ab ou c .zo.n Ln g of Chfli Avenue and Grenell Drive?He wa,s 'advLs ed' this 'is 'E zone and MarlandsE zone, Mr. Eckersonb.e'Ldeved Grenel'l Drive, Chfli Av e nue , Marlands 'al,l s Ln.g Le familydwel'lings. They b ough t; the're, £iguring it was, Thinks 'it wo:uld be,very poor taste for' Town of Chili to put in multipledweTlingsand agrees, with 'o t.h.e r.s , get .on e , would be. 15 more,' Very sIP-'allplot' and to, put in mu.LtiLp Le 'dwelling, ,tw,e: .s t.ory h ou s es, ver,y poort.a's tre , His 'ob j.ec.t.d.c n is depreciat'ion of th 0'$ e house's 'on ,Ch'ili. IGrenell and Mar'lands "West', Mr. Miller' ad,vised' Gr:enel'l Drive andRuth' 'Te,r',race D zd.n,e,. (sm'aller' lots..): and Marlandsand Paul RoadE z o.n e ,".

!1r. S:Lggelow,: 12 :Wes'tway Court advise'd'his property' b a.c ks up to'th.is 'and hi's 'feeTings 'about thi's. ,have all paid c ons Ld e r'ab Le 'amountof mon.ey, -f c r : homes'~"$30",OO.O,-,$3.5., OD,D, .arrd wo:uld strenously o b jec t; toh avLng rental p r op e rty. ,ac;1.jo:Lning .hd.m in b a.ck , Tha,t is h Ls b Lgg e s't;obje.c',tion.

Mr. Hill, 31. Westway is -right on corner. of MarlandsWe~t .'on PaulRoad and feeTs 'are zoned E s houLd remain. this way esp'ec'ially b e'c'aus e ,'as's tatement ma'd e , b ough t; t.he'z a knOWing no apartm'en,ts' in immediate,area, and this 'is wa:y, ,would like to; kee'p' i.t .or s ee' 'it kept 'and also'did not know :anything ab cu t; new. 's ewer Ld.na s. 'bu.t; quite, sure, 'thata oraewh.e r e ia.Lon.g line wi.ll hive 'to, b e., h a'v e to get, ,that 'and' would increashi's taxes.' Also for /:hese' reasons 'ob j.ec.t ,

Re.s:i'den,ts. 'f'rom 6 'Westway c.ou r t , oppose it, do not care 'for ,two'-familyth~er'e, 'and y a.r d b a.cks. ':Lnto, i.t, .an.d put one, wi,Il be',more. No t s ayLngprope.rty. ,wi·ll go down" b.u.t, expe.r:i.~nceof other' apartment btiildings...after', wh.ile 'go to, pot" Some do and this might', .50' both 'of themob j.ec.t .

IMr. Morgan 31, Bel'lmawr' Drive on behalf .of h:Ls wi.fea:nd himseTfob j.e c t ;: No rea'son could not s trak e o,neon other, corner' and allwa.y .a r ound , wh,ich 'would detract from all p r o p e r t y :Ln area'.

Mr. Egan, 8 Wes'twa:y ,Court,advise'd th,a' 'b a.ck of his property 'line in line'wi'th 'p r op e r.ty. ,line 'w:Lth this. 'gentleman involved' wi'th, ,not hisp a r t LcuLar property, but s ub d.LvLsLo'n , He ,obj.ec'ts strenously 'be,caus,e't lre'y' i.nves'ted, like aJ,l their neighb'o,rs,,' the'y d riv e stred Lri 'Chili b e'caus ewan t e'd- s.Lng Le .dwe.l'lingsand they, ,obj'.ect st'renously to' t h Ls doub Le 'b Lt; 'or multiple, ~qhich might d e v'e Lo p ; they' hav.e,to,o much to lose'to', allow .arry 'of t.h ese 'people 'to, move in, and just obj'ect, again.s t r e n.ous ly.,

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going to live 'in home, or claims is .. and he 'is 'Si:ngle? Mr. Lissow"advised cha't, is 'r,ight',' Mr. Cantwell questioned' what type of lifehe exp~cted ha was going to have ~n doubLe home and also home he iswilling to, accomod~te moving of, garages, ~n order to allow drivewayin improper' p o s dt Lon , plus 'garage in b a'c k yard to, get 'access' togarages. Cannot imagine he 'is: going to be. obviously enhancingenti,re, area. He wa'ntsto put this 'in where homes 'run froin$35,00,0-,$40",00,0 .an.d better', and he is curious how much money heis going to, be putting into, nh e's e duplex'es. Mr. Lissow advisedthis 'one .con s z r uc t Lon , around $34",000,. Mr. Cantwell qu e s tLon edfor doub!'e h om.e ," and he .d.n t.end s to live in this home?' Mr. Lissowadvised right half of it, Questioned, on other lot line, what wasvalue of houses?' Mr. Cantw'e:ll did not know, did not live on otherside, mainly concerned in Marlands and homes, in that immediate area,what hi's b ac k b e dro om looks out on and will look directly into th,ishome ,. He 'is not openly o b j.ectLng to this, he' is here to find outwhat is going on. He will be', 'in personal ob j'ectLo n from what hesays" he, says he intends to live in that house, he 'is kidding him.Mrs. Tange& told him'he was to object t~ Board, not to gentieman.Mr. Can tweTl could no t imagine e oraeone pu t ting thi'skind of moneyinto homes, in given area', b a.s Ln.g this 'on his 'own feelings, if hewants to live' 'in area and have' 'said wi:th 'h ome. 'to: live 'in other area,'not live on permanent b a.s Ls , Appears 'to him to' be: development only,and 'once place is s oLd , so' will this p a r tidcuLaz home 'and what b ecome sof him and adj a.c en't; land to it, the 'd.eveLo p e r really canna teare. Helives', in area deveLo pe r does 'care. Again, not 'ob j.e.c t Lng , just doesnot like' ~requent he'arings un it. Mostly thin-s~' point ~f matter,they ere taking up only one hdme here, thinks we ough~ to reallyhave the whole entire area p r o j e ct ed into, what is 's upp o s e'd to be,bu,iltno~ only on this .one 10t. but on every lot",this is complete ~lan, ifth'is is 'as 'complete as 'it 'is .. all lot line drawn: up, is ,there anyreason they cannot go ahead. this is 'de v e Lcp e r , know what he intends?'Mrs. Tanger, advLs ed this was 'approv"ed: by', ,Planning Board. Mr. Cantw'el'l,felt ',there has 'be'an projects 'also made n ob o.dy developed on. Factgoing to', bliild one h ome j ch.ey know now what going to, do and that iswhat he wo,uld like 'to' know; wha't is going to do: 1.ith r es t 'of. property.Can the'y put in minutes', what 'inten'ds to,' do ,.i,th rest of land. Mr.Lissow .advLs e'd rest as 'laid out now 'wi,ll be.: 'single 'families, onlyasking for one 'lot. Mrs.' Tanger interjected' they '1.er'e 'not h e r'a toargue with' 'developer" her,e to, obj,ectto, Board to p r o p o s aL;Mrs. toJ'yle wants, 'it in minutes', will be: 'such. s a'Ld last time 'no two-family h o'us e s 'in thi's 'area. Mrs.' Tanger a n swe'r-ed that is why here andwhy she' ",as 'ob jec ting. }lrlil. Wyle 'ob a.e nved that is ,gh.y he' 'is here now.Mrs.' Tanger, advised' every one has this p r LvLLe g'e , Mr. CantweTl hadbette~ ~dea, le~'s postpone this ~onsideratio~ in this point untilb ud Lde r' willing to te!'l them what he propose's to do with other land.His lot line ~nd his adjoin, he ~uns down to middle ~art of his landand he is, as 'own,er', who' has 'inves ted c ons Lder'ab reamoun t of money,interested in p r-o t ec t Lng hi's 'investine.nt. toJ'ha't he' 'wants to know,going to put in duplex' 'or what imme'diate'ly' behind his home? Mrs,'Tanger, que st Loned tho'ught' he' said his 'property ran into t h Ls ? Mr.Davis suggested he pinpoint his.' Mr. CantweTl p o Lu t e'd' his out"actually -splitting this piece 'and thispiec'e,' he' 'wa'nted to know, he'ove r'Looked this p Lace of land, you can s ta.nd down in his 'and look upat it, will look L'Lk.e t owe.r from hi's 'back y a-r d because his rises, tothat. p o Ln r , 'Is not. o b j.e c t Lng r o. t h'd s who'leh'eartedly ,at t.his point,as far as 'he is 'concerne'd, 'told h Lm nothing, just plans 'living in thisduplex, $3:4",00,0,., home',bu.ilding d oub Le 'family h ome 'into, area a d j a c e nt;to, homes 'be'teer" th'an $3'.5.,000,-,$40,000,., h o'me s' in it. Thi'sis whatwant's to, know, wh.a t; is 'overall tihd n g and knows, does not 'plan for one'home', and if he' 'did, wo:uld be: 'out of bus Ln e s's .. should have 'immediate,c omp Le t evpLanj vhas 'to know 'his 'cost', so' thi's 'is what he .wan t s to know.Mrs.' Tanger', felt he' would be, happy to, alk abou c it at sometime, b u.t;this ..las not function of Board. Hr. CantweT.l was' 'asking Board tod e fe r any d e c Ls Lon until he could give s cmet.hdng more 'con c r e t;e 'thanone p Le c'e in 16 piec'eof property d e v'e Lo pme.n't; ,

Mr. Eg~n fe!'~ first thing shuuld objsct to is 'duplex.'

~lr. Grassi; }30, ',Paul Road openly ob jec ted to ,it., Just boug h t' c o up Leof years 'ago 'and t h e'y' ex'amf.ned zoning "of single 'family .and that is what;expect: it ~o b~"

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,Mr,' 'Elwood Jackson, 10 ·.Gren·ell Drive advised the'y' on Grenell Driveth.ough t: th.itthisis. ~goip.g .to eff e ct; their community once .they put.mu Ltrf.pLe 'dweJ:lings in and w,i'll be: 'put in whoLe .t h Ln g and thit istheir reaction. '

IMr. Boldt,. 59 Red Bud Road agrees with gentleman from Paul Road andthinks, wh.e'n'" s ome on.a moved into area s h'o u Ld have' b a.sLc pz o c e c t Lon ofTown zoning laws'.'

Mr. Gracey, 742. .Pau L Road a dvLs ad his property -abu.t s. part of thisproperty, p r op os ed' dev,e1'opmenton Paul Road. Re c'a.Ll.ed Planning:Board when' initi'ally ~pproved 13":16 h omes provided, variances wouldbe. ob t.a.Lne d. on, front radius '0£ .s orne '90!, .r o. 85', 80 t" p eo'pLe 'at •that 'p o Ln t; 'at 'original plannip.g b o'ar d mee,ting questioned w'h,ether'mu Lz Lp.Le h ome s 'or du p Lex'es because heard this, and s aLd no, singlefamily h orae s;: Fine, bought. idea', ,thi:s wa's 'fairly 'reasonab~epian.At Zoning Board, asked ~o, reduce from 90,' t~ 85' on some pieces ofproperty. He, 'ob j.ec t e d at that time, not too s tr-on gLy , put didobj.ectsimply b e.c'au a e think b a.sLc .15,00,0 s q c ft. wi'th90,t, front!'1ge.Everyone c.e.z t a Ln Ly tonight" s trzongLy ob j.ec t s vt;o duplex on lot .7.for all r e as ons people' 'mentioned here tonight. Just feel, possi'bi:litymay ,be: only duplex'es',back t he'r-e , could be: 15 more" Enc r e a s e 'traffic,next, t axa t.Lon p ays on tih at; piece as 'comparab1:e be.c'aus e still base,2S% of valuation, s~ strongly obj~ct to that duplex ~n lot J.

Mr. Cantwe.l'l questioned is this second variance, c o n s Ld e rLng tonight1Was one to a.1low .t o. be: d e v'e Lo p e d in 85' lots? It wa's expLaLne d.wha t .the: original variance wa,s.' Mr. Can tweTl que s.traoned this iss e'c ond variance, ,th,is 'consi'derati'on, of this particular development?'He, 'was 'advise'd y e-s ;' Mr. Cantwell questioned if' th.ere would b.e..addit,i'onal variances 'asked by, this b ud Ld e z ? He was 'advd s e'd. theydid not know. The: procedure 'Of advertising for hearings andadvising people of pub Ld,c hearings was ques tLoned' and' ex pLa.Lned by", IMrs.' Tanger. Mr. Cantwe'll questioned when decisi:on wO,uld be: givenon this variance. Mrs.' Tanger. advised ropefu11y this 'eveni,ng'. Mr.,Miller' advis e'd in exe cu.c Lv e s e's s-Lo n •. Mr. Cantwe,ll que s t Lon.ed they,.ould kn'ow :res'ult-stomorrow?, He wa,s' 'advise'd yes.'

DEcr SION: Unanimous):y -denLed , '

FINIlNGS· OF FACT1. No hardship s h'own. or cl~imed'2.: No" un Lqu'e situation3". No a Ll ctra'n c e 'for d o ub Le homes per Section 19-"3 ·,Para. 2

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#10. Application of James W. Neuert, 3~:Iva Mae Dr. for approval tao p e r ate a ,Camper Trailer s aLe e & Service,operatipn at ,43,4.3 'Buffalo Road (N,imrod Camp:!.ngTrailers)· and e rect. an advertisingsign 4', x 6'_ l~' from gro~nd, as close to, front lot line as .p o s s LbLe , B z o.n e ,.

Mr. Neuert .ap p e a.r ed' b e.fo r e 'the Board. Advised, in cas e anyone doesnot kn,ow .tb,e differ:ence b e.twe e n mob L'l e h o'me s 'and camping trailer's,. •wh'o do not underst'and the", differ'e.nce, this 'is 'camping trailer, andsubniitted brochure 'giving (\es.cription. plans 'and illustrati.ons 'ofsame'. Also' wi,she'd to amend app Ld c a t Lon to Ln c Lu d-e 'a no t.h'er small Isign on building, Le se 'than two, s q'ua r e fee',t'. Nimrod Companyfurnish' 'sign and t h.e. mo t Lf .wcu Ld say ·Sales, 'and Ser.vice ~ He cannotguarantee, colors,' does not know •. Mrs.' Tanger' qU,estioned' if it wasa plastic,. internally Lf.gh t.e'd sLgn ? Mr. Neu'ert; advised', it was 'an'illuminate,d s Lgn , bu.t did not know, .if p Las trd c or whe"the'r s Lgn wi,thinte'rnal lighting. o ch er a L'gn says, '''Copies tt, . Mrs.' Tangerq ues tLon.ed if h'e wa,s planning to, build a bud.LdLng , Mr. Neuertadvise'd' no, d o ea .not .own p r o p e r.ty , Lea's e'd f r om Church, Iln.Lz e dMetho'dist Church of North 'Chi'li and church 'property s e per a t e;' wasin originaladmiuistration b u.Ll.d Lng b ah.Lnd it. Mr. Miller' questioned'on south s Ld e of Buffalo Road? Mr. Neuert advLs ad yes, lot wo'u1dbe,use·d. for c amp Lng , trailer, s aLe a.;: Mrs.' Tang~r', qu e at.Lo n e d' howmany ,in th.e:re" Mr. Neuert.advis ed. if can sen. them withou t seeing,

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is lot? Mr. Neuert a dvLs ed 146' wide.' Mr. Fingar inquired another,house'combi:ned with this lot? 14r. Neu'er't advised: originally parsonage,he does not live ·in. There is '146.' b e.sLde s parsonage, frontage on 'Buffalo Road. 20:0.', deep from Buffalo Ro.a d and 140', approx. on Buffalo.Parsonage house on lot line 'including little btiilding beyond it,Mrs.' Tanger again inquired' ab o.u t how many trailer's at one time?Mr. Neuert 'advise'd' hopefully not more th'an dozen, would hes dt a t e to,inves',t' any more money than that a: one time. }1rs. Tanger', inquiredhow long' heanti'cipated' this b u.sLn e s a ;: what about wi:nter? Mr.Neuert advised be' 'all months. Mrs.' Tanger' questioned h ow plan toke e'p them cleaned' off? Mr. Neu'er~t 'advLs ed' by: end of November andDec.ember peo.ple head to Florida, will s e Ll, again. ' Mr. Fingarques tioned' if. he' 'wo,uld pave this .: . Mr. 'Neuert 'a dvLs e'd fine s t'oneat ',drivewa'y -exte n'd Ln g from Church 'drivewa'ygoing out to, back. hasen'trance on Co,lleg'';;'Drive.' Does', wind through' pro.perty, would maintainthat drivew'ay, that is 'all. In administ'ration bUilding wife 'operates,copy- se-rvice,' in winter., time, income 'tax time, does bu.s Lnes s , thatis' wh.a t sma'll 5 i:gn for "Copiesu ·• Mrs." Tanger', c omme n t.e'd, in other'wo r ds ;' be..two b u.s Lnes se's' 'in one piece o f property. Mrs. Tangerquest'ioned he, would mow .gr a s s 'and park these: off drive? She wasadvised yes. Mr. Fingar inquired ho'w long a lease he, wa.s 'on? Mr.Neuert 'advised two: years, with 'o p t Lo n t.e. -r en'ew , Mr. Fingar qu e s t Lo nedall trailer's fastened down tight? Mr. Neua r.t; advised yes, btit wi.llhave to. take trailers .-, may very we:ll get .one t.lrat;' 'did not -co I'Lap s e,but they would be, camping and travel' trailer's.' Mr. Davis 'questioned'going to, s ervLc e 'th e's'e 'trailers 'from the house? Mr. Neuertadvise'd'not from h ou s a,' ~rom administration btiilding.

Mrs.' Tanger questioned if he had talked to neLghb o.r s 'on either side?Mr. Neu'er',t 'advLs ed. h a's made somedisc'reet' inqu·iry,· they are, glad to.s ee someth.ing done.' Mrs.' Tanger' que s.tLoned' if he 'ha'd told them whathe, 'plans ,to' do. Mr, Neuert a dv f s e'd yes, as weT1 as p e o'p Le 'who areoccupying h ous e, he is ver·y. glad to s,ee'something done 'with property.

Mr.' Palermo q uest Lo n e d how .Lon g before dist'ribu:tors give him ideawhat .sLg n will look like?' Mr. Neu,ert a dv Ls e'd is 4',' x 6' andcarries Nimrod Motif. Mrs .: Tanger' advLs ed' t.he'y. -do not give 'any·variance {In s Lgn s until know what will iook like, t.he'y would liketo, see, wh.at th:is 'sign wo:uld look like. Mr. Davis 'commented they·are .s trand a r d , he' .can get them picture of t.hem from another dealer,t.h-inks 'could send picture' ,o'l: one.' Must· h ave 'other dealer's who havesign. Mr. Neuert had uev'e r. s een on'e ; u nde r s trand s nea r es t; dealer'. inAvon. Mr. Davis 'advised' most of t h em h av e s Lgn coming right fromfactory •. Mr. Neuer't fully ex'p'ecte,d'ii: .to. be', here by now , b u.t; asit has not come, cannot .te.L'L them. 'Mr. Palermo qu e a'trd.o n ed if thisis ~ontingent. Mr. Neuert ~dvised sign costs him noth~n~ if cannotuse' it. btit 'certainly has to have permit .to put ,it up. 'Mr. Milleragreed w~th ~hairman of the' ~oard shriuld have'skeich or pictureof what sign is.

Mrs.' Tanger, q ue stLoned h ow he' 'planned' tota'ke"care '0£ people 'who'come to, look at trailers?' Mr., Ne ue.z.t; advised more than ad e qua t;e 's pa c e ;'l1rs,' Tanger', questioned if he' hid plan as ·to wh'e re park them'and"here park cars 'so' they' c an s ee use' 'of proper'ty?, Mr. Ne u'e rt; a dv Ls edhad no exact .pLan , Like 's aLd , lot has ·to be: graded' and need' p e nmLt;to operate,. would think this wO.uld be: simple.', At any on'etime'no particular parking lot involved, ex'cep't immedLatearea close to,bu.i.lding. Mrs.' Tanger f e Lt; lot 'hard to, visualize, vacant lot wher'ecamping, where parking, if have "no s ke tch 'and where sign going to.be in relationship, where cars parked. Mr. Fingar questioned,a irp p o e e .s add k ee'p' 50'. back from road. is ·tha't b a.d ? Mr. Neuertagreed would go along with that • 'Here 'asking if can -d o business onthis lot to seTl camping trailer's 'and wher'e'can he' 'put sign. thatis wh.a t vapp Lj.catLon says, as close to, lot ,line as poss'i·bl:e.' Mr.Fingar a dvLs ed they' do not want to, put h ard s htip on him, that is wh,at,.ish to know; what he 'wants. Mr. Neuert 'advise'd he could live withanylEi.ng the'y' a.l.Lowe.d' him to do t h e r'e , not millionaire, cannot pavewhole thing. if that .is what have in mind. Does' 'Board have anythingin mind 7 Mrs.' Tanger a dvLs ed the'y' wo'ndered' wh'at 'he' had in mind. Mr.Ne u'e rt; .thcugh t ,viII h ave 'to keep them 50', b a.ck ieo keep two-leg'ged'vandals off of them. Furthermo-re thi'nks will hive 'to, armcr any sign

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in front. Ca,rs .. furtq.ermore thinks. ~il1 not have to', stop on BuffaloRoad. ,adeq'uate' 'parki;ng on property.' cannot s ee any o b jec t Lo n toany p az t LcuLaz arrangement of any display b e.c.aus e. t h ey c ome 'and go,one day might: have 'tw.o, next time 12" nex,t day mn e ," so wh,en havenone, no d Ls pLay , "

,Mr. Fingar qu e stLone d time limit wi,shed sign on for. Mr. Neu'erta dvLs ed o p e r a e Lcn hours of bus Ln e s's would' be, 8 ~oa, A. M. to 9 ~',OO, 'P. M. Howe,v:e~', du eto, wo'oded' a Lr of p ax t.LcuLa r lot. lot ':Of h eavy Itrees, quite, 'dense on it .. would like to, keep sign on. period.Mrs.' Tanger' questioned he, meant 'all night? Mr'. Neuert advisedto, illuminate ground. Mr. Fingar questioned. sho'li off this muchlight., he had s ee'n' sign? Mr. Ne u.e r t; advised n o , bu:t, did ':lot know., eOn question of ho"w long he had b e.e'n in business' 'advise'dcamping trailer's, fifte.e'n' yea'rs.' Mrs.' Tanger' questionedo p e r'azed , Mr. Neuert 'a dvLs e'd. ho'me , truck. t o.oLs , e t c.,qm.s,tioned. but he wanted to go into, sales'? ~r. Neu'ertthat ,is right. '

been servicingwh,e'r'e he 'Mrs. Tangeradvised

On quas t-t on of Mrs.' Tanger if any one present in favor of or oppo s ed.to this 'ap p Lf.cati Lon , no one appeared.

DECISION: Res.e'rved. Mr. Neuert to present to, th,e' 'Board at itsne.x't mee t.Lng , plans 'for parking of trailer's and c ars ..and d e s'c r Lp t Lo n of signs 'requested'.

tfll. Application of Carl Moore. 88 Hub b.a.rd Drive; for approvalto: e r.e c t an attached garage to, within 5' of s Ld e 'lot line.D zO:ne, at ',88 Hubb'a.rd Drive,.'

Mr. Moore appeare,d b e.f'o r a 'the, Bo a r d and copy of t ap e survey mapwi,th sketch of wh:a't wi:shed was presented: to, Board for study. IBelieved' 24. t, be:twe'en: houses.' Talked' to neLghbo.r , b o.t h, hu'sb'a:nd ,and wife, 'as to, plan, and th'.ey had no ob j e ctf.o n of any kind. Asmatter, of fact, h usb-and, s aLd as far as he' is, 'concerned',~ c an takeit ,right .t o line. and garage o n far s Ld e , on north s.Ld e , have nogaragepre'sently and 'drive is 'there, ,garage bu'rned, and they Lnt end'to: use' .t h a.t; 'drive and change 'garage 'sl'ight'ly b e.c aus e it wa's' 'on thei'rn e Lghb.or " s 'line, so' 'that present' plans' 'do not call for' them to use' "drive. Mrs.: Tanger thought aeems""gdod-,bi,t of property' he-tlve,e'nhouses.' Mr. Mo~re was ~uestioned' on the ~ime~sions and advisedl2t~ x 24-',. .as on plans.' Mrs. Tanger q'ues',tioned he' t a.l.ked' to', b o.thn e Lgb.b'o.r s 'and no ob jec.t Lo n ? Mr. Moore 'a dvLs ed not on o p p'o s Lties Ld e ,' ,the,y' have 'onLy moved in wi:th'in month. have 'ta-Ike'd to', him, 'b u.t; not since .no t Lc e s have b e.en' posted.

On .que at.Lori of Mrs,.' Tanger if any o n e present in favor of or o p po s e'dto', this 'ap p Ld.c a.tLon , no one a p p e ar e d ,

DECI~ION: Unanimously granted.

Mr. Schuler' of Marshall Road. wh'o had b e.e n' granted a t:!.me limited', ....variance to, .o p a r a ti e. a tepair shop for lawn' mowe'r s .. e tc., at hi's _home 'on Marsh'a'll Roa.d appeared informa'11ybe:f'ore 'th'e' ':Board'regarding plans 'to, move his shop to, Mr. Gos t.anz a ',S property on IPaul Ro~d. He \:va:s 'advise'd that ,gas Re.s'Ld en t LaL property andwould n e ed a va.rianeefor that.

Mr. HoLd e r Le o f Gr,enel'l Drive appeared informally b e.f o r e theBoard wi~h reg4rdto a variane.e he had ob~ained to e~edt agarage which had expired.

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DECISIONS, ON APPLICATIONS ON WHICH DEC.r,SrONS HAD BEEN RESERVED

From Pub Lf.c Hearing held June 23,;, 197.0:.,

App Lf.ca t Lo n of LouisO. Free'm'an, 110 ',R,iga-Chi'li TownlineRoad, for approval to operate a kennel .a t 110 Riga-ChiliTownline 'Road, ap p r ox , 5 adult dogs, reg.istered' Vizs,l'a(Hungarian Hunting dogs), property consisting of approx.5 acres,' EE zdne. ' '

DECIB,ION: Unanimous ly denied.'

Pat~icia D. SlackSecreta:ry

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A Pub lie Hearing of the Zoning Board of Appeals 'of the Townof Chili, N.Y. was held in the Administration Offiee~uf the Townof Chili, N.y; 32~5 Chili Avenue, Rochester, N.Y~ 14624 on Au~ust2S, 1970 at 8:00 P.M. Th~ Rearing was called to order ~y the'Chairman, Rob~~t Hunter.

Roll Call was 'as follows:

Present: Mr. Robert Runter, ChairmanMr. Charles PfenningerMr. John' PalermoMr. John LighthouseMr. David FingarMr. Richard Harrington

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Also present: Mr. Daniel L. Miller, Deputy Town Atto~ney

Mr. William Davis, Superintendent of Building.

IFI. Applicati,on of Spartan Romes, 98,6 'Joseph Avenu.e , for approval.to renew variance for a subdivision sign 4' x 5' approx.10-.1/2'. overall from, ground, located at entrance of BuckyDrive and Paul Road (Spartan Eeights) in right of way ofBucky Drive. E zone. '

Mr. Michael' DiPiazza of Spartan Homes 'appea'red b e.f o r e the Board. Mr.Hunter questioned this is request to renew the sign that has beent h e'ne :for a whi'le? Mr. DiPiazza advised they' had anticipated makingstart a little earlier, road is going in presently and need sign ,in street to advertisesubd~vision~pening. Thinks will requireanother year to be up, then will be taken down. Temporary base,not monument sign, w-oden sign, unl~ghted. It will stay whereit is now.'

On question of Mr. Hunter' if anyone present 'at the hearing infavor of or opposed t~ this .pplication, no one appeared.'

DECIsrO'N: Unanimously granted for a period of one year, with therigh t to. reapply for a ren'ewa'l.

112.: Application of Stanndco Development, Lnc ; , 40,Wildbriar Drive,for approval of a variance from six unit rental townhouses to~

e.ight and ten unit rental e ownhoue es per, budLdLn g in thea~proved MeadowbrQok Farm Apartment Project located on UnionStreet, Phase 2.and 3; as per site submitted" MR zone.'

Mr. Calderone of Stanndco Deve:k:pment, Inc. appeared, be.fore the Board.Headvise'd, to give"ba,ckground on project, as ,they will recall, siteinvolved and was ~ezone~ for 400 ~partment units. They hive justab o.ut; 'c omp Le ti'ed first section of 116 units and came to Planning ....Board to ask shuffling around of units on site to make them m~re ~

compatible Qn site. 'Th~ provision is, have to go through PlanningBoard to'. get' any site Jevision from original and when did confrontedlwi th 'legal probl.em on s h a'pe of bu.ilding which would like to have Lnnext e ec t Lon , Restriction in ordinance that says cannot have bu.LLding longer than 240', in MR zone and you cannot have more than sixtownhouse units in row. TheY comply with offset rules. comply witheverything bu~ this po~nt, they would like to group 8 and 10 ,incertain p La c e s .. ,.;hich he s howed the Board on tih e site plan, butpointed out, will conform with overall length of 240'. Six unitsth~ building would b~ lZa',. and pointed out on plans the longerbudLdLn gs , Not 'asking for any more units. more b e.d r o oms , or anythingdiffe~ent than was originally approved, asking to. have them relocatedand combined in certain instances.' As said earlier, first sectionalready under construction. If they will recall, on earlier siteplan r epa a t a d a number' of s ectLon s , in bb.cks , This was repeated

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lb.e!e will be a public hearing of the,Zalling Board of Appeals of tne Town I'o.!-ChUi, to be lIeld in the Cltlli Admin-tstratton O.rtioe, 3235 Chili A venue,ROChester, N.Y. 14624 on. August 25,~;n:ta:;'1i~aft~~: to con.. der the fol- I_ '1.. Application of Spartan· Homes, 986:Joseph Avenue, for approval to renewIvariance for a SUbdivisiQn :dgn 4'xS' ap-pr<>x.· 10;" overall frOIll ground, located I .at entrance -of Bucky Drive and Paul".Mad ,.spartan Helgbts) In tlght of way' .of~~'A.~PIPc~';j~~.Eo'i°~'t;l1tJ)dC" Pevclop- iment, Iee., 40 Wildbriar. Drive, for a.p-!9raval of a variance from six unltrental townhouses 10 eight and len 1I"'trental townhouses per building in theapproved Meadowlrrook Farm Apart.meot Project located on UnIon Street,Phase' 2 and 2, as per site submitted." .

Mf: z~~Hcation of Milton T. ROSS.. !':123<1 Norto Street, for approval to build I... perch S'xI2' on heme at 48 Morrtson 'A,enLle, 10' from corner side lot ttne. D'zone. I4. Appfication of RiVerside Cleaners.:!7~ Chill ave.• Cor approval to renew,.'.~;anance of approv.B1 of ~t:tl0· mom!-..nated ${gnlO .pla.')tl~ faced, with matdfr~~el~gll~io~i[iot~Ji~fn:~eeBlanclii,'Z~l . An"elus Drive. far approval [0ci'C:ct a house en sub-standard lot at 49Mort!""" Avllille. lot size 50'.><120'. 40'from Ircnt lot line. D zone. I6. Appllcal10a of Bernard Bianchi,

ZI'lI Angelus Drive, .for approval toerect a home 00 sub-standard 101,~(}'~120', at 13 Charles Avenue, 40'from iran! lot line, 0 zone, .7. Application of Bernard !,lianchi.

'2'l1 Angelus Drive, far approval toe rect a house: on sub-standard Jot a:;. 40HarOld Ave., lot 50'x120' In line with L.:tistlng hOlll-es in area. 7' side lot line •.variance on both sides, D zone. .8, Application oC Bdward Chafel, 6(}

llrlght .Oalul Drlve, Cor approval to 01"erate a. repair and sales operadon of~~r~ij061 e~~~ltli~a£.n a~!JP1;r i~Jproval !o erect an advertising sIgn. as'per sketch submitted. A zone.9. APplicRtion of Anthony C. Ciaccia.

":;' Appian Drive, for approval to erecta house On sub-standard lot ~01",;1:2()t onLor 21.(j Cll.esLer Avenue. in line withexI,cln~ homes in area D zone.10. Applioation of Anthony C. Clac-

cla, f,~ Appian Drlve, lor approval torrect house on sub-standard lot, lot-",)',120' on Lot \i-i}. Charles Avenue. tnUno with existing home, in area, Dzone.H. Application of Norton Cleaners.

1l3t~ Chili Avc..~ for approval to erectan unlighted metal sign lS'x3' on can-,.opv over tlteir store in NaumBros. IDc. \l'laxa, 3313 Cbill Ave, B zone. ,12. App[ication of Frederick Holderle.'

'24 Grenell Drive, lor approval to erectfl ~aragc 25rx24~ apprcx. 3. feet from:south side lot line, at 24 G,renen Dr. I? ,z~rt Application of Don Schuler. 884 ~Marshall Road, ior approval to' operate '1'a lawo mower repair shop. sales and~riJ'l~oO~h~b~~~rsi~ b~~L~i~ig~~~~~ke:t I6~(} Paul Road. end also approval toerect ad••rtis!ng sign, as per sketeh sub-ml tted on buildrng. B zone. I

13. Application oi Ra!l'h R. Bor-f~a{~c:v~{;~~~~nofS~",.~.. .f~~ W~~~~',Intersection of Weldner Road and Mill.]stead Way (unlighted), A zone.Ail in~rested parties are requested to

1:1e present, By Order of me Chairman't~~eora~rlT. ~~~.d of APpeals of the !

MARY B. PARKHURST,Town Clerk, Town of Chili. N.Y.

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over and over again in this area (using plans) and this sectionhere and heie,' same thing on souther~ road, sa this tended to makesite more monotonous. They wished, wanted variety of buildings,shapes 'and si'zes 'and wo.u.Ld like to, eliminate. s nra Lk e r btiilding outof s caLe , with 'larger bu'LLd Ln g , Show ,in n ex't; section. combinesome in three units to make work better with more open space. Ifthey have been over, realize this 'is not good arrangement and theydo not want ta repeat this h~re, from ae~th~tic standpoint feel itis poor to repeat again and again, and are trying to reduce somesmall units, 'of four to, come 'up with 'e Lgh t , which is more in scale.This is th~ ~ntent. not adding or putting in any more bedrooms orunits, than was 'propose'd', just' reshuffling. Went in for site planapproval on rev~sion and found had to, ha~e Zoning Board approvalalso because show more townhouse'S' in' row. although did not violatelength of b u.LLdLn.g , He submitted original s Lte pLan for comparison.to s h ow this is better site planning'. Did riot have original thatWas approved with him, b u.t; ,'this Ivasclose' to, it with' some engineeringdet'ails. Re ques ted the Board to compare t h e 'two, ~vill see thisgets repeated over and over again and ,in going south and this getsrepeated again, so' what have 'done; tri.ed' to get more open e p ac e a ;: hadlot of small 4 .unLt; b udLd Lng s wh,ich 'b Lo cke d corner, more 'or lesscombined to make fit b e.t t e r in topography, tried not to crowd in onearea, use who'le 'area', spread b e.tte r.,

Mr. Hunter inquired in terms of bedrooms per unit no "change, is thistrue within a block? In other ~ords, so many 1 - 2 ~n given block,is this true? Mr. Cal<ilrone commented, distributed population more.Mr., Hunter c omment.ed have changed it then, snre cases', Les's and othersmore. but overall same 'total n umb e.r, Mr.' Calderone advised that isright, in this bl.ock (us'Ln.g plan) this is 16, 16 and 10 'and 6. Inthis one wa.s 64 so' not trying to pu t any more in, if anything tryingto make them less dense,' not put them all in one little piece, try~ngto keep open space by eliminating. so to repeat four times, did notthink that was good. In haVing" investment in site, want to do whatis right~ Pointed out larger' b udLd Ln g , it is under 24,0,':, it is 160'will be 20:0', but will be,' under' 24,0 ','. Depends on how define townhouses. in ordinance says not more than six. if call as apartments.Mr. Palermo questioned go up to 8 - 10 ~n one block? Mr. Calderonepointed out in one. lO'living units instead of six, but jogging itback and forth, will be: 'abl,e 'to go up hill b e.tt e r, nothing' is' changedas far as 'elevation concerned. Thinks will make 'site better. Mr'.Hunter, using plans 'questioned footage from two points. Mr. Calderoneadvised 175'-20:0.'" each one of jogs is 40'. Mr. Hunter questionedother was well under l60'? Mr. ~alderone could understand why saidsix to briilding was to avoid straight run. Th~y are not trying, todo that. Mr. Hunter commented jogging it, and appearancewise doescreate problem. Mr. Calderone point~d out oth~r thing was twobuildings with ~rive in, two story on ends, but ~eight projects offb a Lanc e , By c ombLnLn.g some into this ,unit (ua Lng plans) by puttingit inside unit. came down to ground on end, looks better. Theseanra Ll, ends 'one story. ,bu.t by' building in middle, heTp e I'ev'a t Lon , Mr.Hunter questioned changes there then, not changing all of them? Mr.Ga,lderone advised who'le site plan z ev'Ls e d, and ch e'y will have needof a variance to allow instead of six, 10 houses', 8 or 10, accordingto site plan.

Mr. Hunte~ questioned no change in recreation building? Mr.Calderone 'advd s e'd no, presented final work d r aw Ln gs , Mr. Fingarquestioned if" thi's had gone 'be£'orePlanning Board. Mr. Mill'eradvised yes, and they reserved on it, which he would explain toBoard in executive s e s e'Lo n , Mr. Palermo questioned if Mr. CharlesLiaso was affiliated with this organization? Mr. Calderone advisedyes, he ~as a partner in Stanndc~.

Mr. Huntei questioned if anyone present would like to, come up andlook at the plans.'

Mr. Jay Lauterbo,rn, 151 Attridge Road came f o rwar d and questionedone point. how 'many more a p artme n t a this makes a va f.La bLe to thisarea that has been rezoned? Mr. Hunter advised th~ answer is zero.Mr. Calderone advised' no more units than was 'available, no more

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living units. Mr. Lauterbo:rn advised' that wa.s his only question,he' is 'all' for beauty.,

On q ues tLo n of Mr. Hunter' if anyone p r e s'en t in favor of or opposedt a this app Ii cation. no one further appeare.d.

DECLSION: Reserved.

Application of Milton T. Ross, 123,0, ,North Street, for approvalIto build a porch 8! x lZt, on home at 4& Morrison Avenue, 10'from corner side lot: line. 'D.. z o'ne ;'

Mr. Milton Ross' 'and Mrs.' Ross. together with representative fromBell.;.Hi Company (who was 'doLng the, building and whose a dd r e ss ...is 'lZS'O ,North 'St'reet) • appeared b e.f o r e th:e Board. Mrs., Ross' -advised. one thing would like, it is a windbreaker for them andnot only that, will stop mud and snow and everything else fromcoming through into h6use. 90py of plans and t~pe location mapwas 's ubmd t r e d to the Board for study. .Porch will be: .e.nclose'd, withstorm Windows. t h ey 'advise-d on question of Mr. Hunter. ~ir.Pfenninger, qu e s trf.o n if there was 'a house itlex,tto their place.' Mrs.Ros svadvLs e'd .t.h e y' -were directly on co r ne r , Theron and Morrison.She.' 'explained, on q uest Lo n if it would go over drivewa,y. they hadto jog into driveway, it will b~ back of driveway and drive up to,fron~ of porch, it will be ~owards Thereon, only thing. have stepfrom side door, will j1J,st take in th~t part and stop'mud f romcoming in.

Mr. Mille~ questioned any homes directly behind them on Thereon?He was 'advLs e'd no', .Names Road behind, vacant lot 'and named' the "owner, acro~s road another vacant lot on Morrison. Mr. Miller.que.s e Lo n ed , both vacant lots face 'on Names and Theron? Mr. Rossadvised one' faces Name~.Road and one face~ Morrison. Directlyacross' 'from Thereon is woods. Mr. Miller ques:tioned, so nobody Iwould actually b u.Ll d on Th~reon, homes, wouLd face Morrison orNames? Mr. Ross advised ~the:r that or across road.

Mr., Hunter requested they point out location of lot on overallmap of Riverside Acres which he had, which they did and otherlots they h a'd b e.e'n speaking of.

On question of Mr. Hunte~ if anyone present in favor of or opposedt~ this ~pplication, no one appeared.

DECIS,ION': Unanimously granted. ,

,114. Application of, Riversi'de Cleaners. Z7.09, Gh,ili. Av e ; , for approvalto, renew .va r Lanc-e of approval of 3 ". x 10 '. illuminated sign.plastic faced" with metal frame, at 27:09 ,Chili Ave,' E z o.n e ,

Mr. Loave nb r.u ck appeared b e.f o r e t.he. Board 're p r e s'e n t Lng RiversideCleaners. and advLs ed he had put the sign up three or. four yearsago for them. and it wi'll p r ob ab Ly be there for a long time, onquestion of, Mr. Hunter on how long they' had a bu.a Ln e s a there.Mr. Hunter questioned any particular time requested for this? Mr••Loa v e nb z.uc k felt they would probably give them three years 'a g a.Ln ,Mr. Hunter questio~ed what hours normally would sign be illuminatedand what days a ~veek:? Mr. Loavenbruc.k a dvLs e d p r ob abLy 24 hours Ia day, f Lcu r e e'c'e n't; , lighting up bu.ilding so n ob o.dy c o u Ld b tr.ea k in.seven days a week~

On qu e st.Lon of Mr. Hunter. if anyone present' in favor of or o p p o s edto. thisapplicat:l:on, no one appeared.

DECI-8·ION; Unanimously granted for a period 9f four years, withright to reapply for a renewal.

Mr. Hunter advised on the next three applicati~ns. since they wereall for b u.Ll.d Ln.g on sub-.standard lots', 'and all for the sameapplicant. they would all ba heard at the same time.


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{15.' ApplicatLon of Bernard Bianchi ~ 20:1 An geLu s Drive, for approvalto, erect a house" on sUb-.standard lot at 49, Morrison Avenue,lot size 50' x l2U', 4n' from front lot line.' D zone.

/16. AppLf.c a c Lon of Bernard .BdanchL, 20:1 Angelus Drive, for approvalto erect~a home on sub~standard lot, 50' x 120:', at 2JCharlesAvenue. 40' ,from Front lot line. D ~one

#7. Application of Bernard Bianchi~ 20,1 Angelus DzLv e , for approvalto, erect a house' on s uh-cs tand a r d lot at 40, .Ea r o Ld Avenue, lot50' x 120:', in line ~ith existing homes ~n area, 7' side lotline variance on bo.th s i'des. D z o.n e ,

Mr.,Bianchia appeared before the Board. Mr. Hunter requested hepoint out the location of the lots on the overall map of RiversideGardens, which he did.

Mr. Hunter questioned, on 49, Morrison Avenue he wa s asking for a40,', s e t b'a.ck , no side 'line 'variances', being requested?' Mr. Bianchiadvised no. Mr. Hunter questioned the ~ituation on 49 MorrisonAvenue as far as house's 'or vacant lots? Mr. Bianchi advised therewere vacant lots 'around on b o.th sides. Mr. Hun t e.e questioned howmany? Mr. Bianchi thdughL one house. Mr. Hunter thought at 47Morrison. Mr. Fingar inquired 49 to corner all open? On questionMr. Bianchi advLs ed he' h a'd not attempted' to buy other, lots or findout who owned them. Mr. Miller questioned who he bought lotfrom and was 'a dvLs e'd County of Monroe. was up for taxes. boughtit this year. Mr. Hunter questioned if any of those other lotsup for taxes', ,this y ea'r and was 'advised y'~s.' Mr. Bianchi advisedhe just picked one and bought it. did not know if 14 or 15. Mr.Hunter questioned how long he had owned it. Mr. Bianchi advisedcouple .o f months, bought' it from County. Mr. Lighth,ouse questionedif s ewe.r. and water'. on the're. and WaS 'advLe.e'd yes.' Mr. Millerrequest.ed that he have his 'attorney or himseJ:f f,urnish 'them withAbstract of Title 'of this lot 'and others, please'. Mr. Bianchia.dvLs ed he would. Mr. Runter questioned would 40' put this in linewith existing one? Mr. Bianchi advised he,had bu~lt about a dozenhouse's 'in this 'area and always, tried to keep them b a.c k that much.Mr. Hunter que s t Lon e'd in general t.h Ls is what trying to do, becausetypical of what is there? Mr. Bianchi advised yes'~ and gives himhack line. 1[r. Hunter' questioned. if wer'e to, get this approval,would there be a garage incorporated with home and not be need forvariance on side 'line? Mr. Bianchi advised' houses' would be withgarage 'and not require other variance. Mr. Davis mentiouedone application calla for 7' on each side. Mr. Bianc.hi advisedjust one on Harold, would be attached, that is why asked for 7',th~ others would be in house.

2~ Charles Avenue, Lot 10, Block H. Mr. Bianchi advised would be sameas Morrison Avenue. Mr. Hunter q u e st.d on e d what is situation as faras vacant property around that. is Lot 9 vacant did he know? Mr.Bianchi thought so', on b o.t h sides.' Mr. Hunter' asked if he hid triedto buy either or both? Mr. Bianchi advised no~ Mr. Hunter questionedif he knew wh'o owns them? Mr. Bianchi did not. Mr. Hunter questionedwas this bought from County also? Mr. Bianchi advised yes. Mr.Hunter advised he thought their attorney would also wish the Abstracton this lat. Mr. Harrington t.h o'ugh t' on this was home on one side,was not s ur e wh,ichsi'de, Mr. Fingar tho':ught toward Scottsville Road.

40 Harold Avenue, Lot 22K. Mr. Hunter questioned the situationthere. Mr. Bianchi advised house on either side of that one. Mr.Pfenriinger questioned how far from lot line ~eie 'those houses? Mr.Bianchi did not check it. Mr. Hunter' questioned if this was one thath.s woodS, young trees? Mr. Bianchi advised this is an all mowedlat. Mr. Hunter commented homes 'on either side and questioned hewas 'asking for in line wi:th existing homes and 7' on' each sideinstead of 10' code calls' for? Mr. Bianchi advised yes. Mr.Huntei questioned~ it will hive garage ~nd it will be attached?Mr. Bianchi advised yes. Mr. Hunter requested he furnish the abstractan this lot also. Questioned he purchased this from County and at

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same time, couple of monthi ago? Mr. BianchL advised yes.

Mr. Miller a dv Le e'd he wo,uld just' like to see ab e.e ra c t s. on all threelots. Mr. Hunter questioned could he get them later one? Mr. Bianchiadvised' right away, bu.t not tonight.

Mr. Hunter' would jus t like to, make 'c ommeat , the Board, as hethought they' knew, have tried to encourage anyone who, bud l.d s andd e veLo p s in that 'area to, combine 'lots in order' to 'upgrade s tanda r d Iand th'atis why' ,asked' queszLona .. who, owns lots, vacant, have youtri.ed to, p ur cb ae e veh em',

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of or ~o'pp o s e.d to application on. 49, Morrison Aven.ue, Mr. D. Kramer,47 Morrison Avenue 'questioned: how 'far do you have to s tray awayfrom your lot line? Mr. Hunter advised code ~a11s for 10'" butit is based on wider lot than generally exLs t.s in this area. Mr.Kramer questioned' he 'means 'it' would be. la',. Mr. Hunter advisedthat is what is required.

Mr. Kramer did not wish to go on record in favor of or opposed to, it,and no one £urthe~ appeared to, speak on this application.

Mr. Fingar questioned a variance granted for Mr. Sheldon at 22 ,Harold Avenue and wonder'ed whe're, he 'lived in relation to, 40, .Ea r o LdAvenue. He 'was advised' he' 'lived closer to Scottsville Road.

Mr. Hunter' questioned on 23', ·Charles' Avenue, if anyone present infavor of or opposed to, t~~s application. No one appeared.

Mr. Hunter questioned on 4~ Harold Avenue, Lot 22E if any·onepresent in favor of this 'application, no one appeared. Hequestioned anyone opposed to this' 'and Mr, Ge,orge Schmidt" Iwh.o' lives 'on Lot 23, '.(3,6, Harold"Avenue) spoke" and Mr. Anselmowho lives on lots 20. .and 2:1 '(4,8, Harold Avenue) was present andwas opposed to, this, it is too close to him, 13' from his windowand f e eLs to upgrade 'neighborhood. s h o'a Ld not put houses in so close.Hold to original and' ask. for 80 T" do' not allow ,anyone less' thanthat, When' b o.ug h t, his was not aware had so little 'land and wouldhave 'bo'u gh t 50 I i'f ls:new 'who owned it. He and Mr. Anselmo havetaken care 'of this lot" taken 20, trees out, mowed' it an.d takencare 'of it, feeTs one of b e tte.r. areas 'in n e Lg hb o.r ho o d , would liketo. k e ep it .th a t way. If: build another h o'us e would be. too closeand does not give any ~ndividualisw. feels by having this littleland can take' 'care of it and make Harold Avenue batter than otherstreets. :Hr, Hunter, questioned he .a ay s this would be about 13'from his home? He, Mr. Schmidt advised he had 10 I,. Mr. Hunteradvised Mr. Bianchi wanted 7', so it w6uld be 17'. Mr. Sch~idt

agreed that was right. Too, his window, he will look directly intothe dining room w~'ndow if builds this house. Mr. Hunter questioned'Was he aware this lot wa's up for s aLe ? Mr. Schmidt thought it wa'son other s'i'de, was misinformed. Mr. Anselmo' s child was in hospitaland he couldn't see straight togo down, and he wa& too late tobuy, and he 'thoughf lot on 'east' side was up for sale and weIJ.t •under' that 'assumption and then found out wr.o ng side.' Mr. Huntermentioned now had opportunity, they might make purchase offei to Mr.Bianch:i:, but .th at; wa's not Board's 'business. Mr. Schmidt :advised Ithis ~s what ,they were ho'ping for, opportunity again to get thisland.

Mr. An s eLmo would like to, say ,there is not two lots between homes,t.h e.r e is 'only one lot b e.cw e.en homes, he' has 'doubl,e lot. Onlyob j.ec t Lo n he has, from what he was told, p e o'pLe were aware theseWere 'SO', and zoning in Town was 60'. Hr. Hunter advised it is80' in D zone.' Mr. AnseTmo advised on Ly thing, h'Ls objection,that Town set 80 '" cannot see they should allow :building on 50 ',.Mr. Hunter a dvLs e'd this 'is subdivision laid out kany years 'ago with50 T, ~yide 'lots, Town canna t change t h.Ls , t.h Ls has b e.en ffxptored, sothi's means 'lots 'are there and que.s t.Lon is use·, can they, be used',Town cannotderiy reasonable use of that property. Question is, what


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is r-e a s o n abLe ,' is up to this Board to de t'e rmLne in each case. b u.t;nothing about fact, unfortunately, these are '50'" even if have codecalling for' 80', is separate meaning. Wishes 'to make it -cLea r , Townhas no, choice ab ou t changing bas:i.c' subd:i.vision. So question is, howcan best utiliz~ it and th~t ~s ~oncern of th~s Board.

No one else 'appea'red' to speak on this application.I DECISION:

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118. App Lf.c a t Lon of Edward Ch a f e L', 60 ,Bright Oaks Drive. for approvaltB operate a repair and sales operation of construction equipmenton property located at 60 .PauL Road, and for approval to erectan advertising s Lgn , as per sketch s ubmd.t t ed , A z o.n e ,

Mr. Sortino, Attorney with firm of Laverne, Sorti{io & No t;o, withoffices 'at 46 'West !-Iain Street, a pp e a'r e.d b e.f o r e the Board r ep r-e sent Lngthe, 'applicant, Mr. Ch a'f e L', As notice indicates. double a.pp Lf.c a t Lo n ,first for p e rraa s s Lon to operate repair and s aLes o p e r'a t Lon ofcoust ruc t Lon equipment -- John De e r'e Distribution, and approval ofadvertising sign. Sub j.ec t; property is known as 60 .P'au L Road andfrontsapproxililately 300' on west side of Paul Road, goes backapproximately 720:' and comprises, of 6-1/2, .a c r e s. app r-ox Lma t.e Ly ,

Mr. Holder'le,' Gren'ell Drive,. present at the hearing, questioned thelocation and was advised' it wa's vacr o e svf xotn trailer park, right by,airport.

Mr. Sortino continued the s ub j.ec t property now has on it severalfree's'tanding"bu:ildings. The, one which will be' used for p z op o e a'd useis b u'LLdLn g 80', x 50 ',. b ed.ng all steeT in construction and b e.Lng ofthis appearance (shown in photograph which was 's ubmd t t.e d') " Po Ln t e dout it was the 'exi'sting structure and ae that was formerly used bytrailer sales'. What applicant proposes to do is use that particulara t e e.I, building for a John Deer'edis,trihu:torship which will incorporatesale 'o f new'and used' e q u Lptaen t; and servicing of s am e ,. Proposed' floorplan, at present no interior partitions ~n bu~lding. and he presetitedp r o p o s e'd floor plan with the new proposed partitions for interior ofbuilding. Mr. Hunter, studying plans, inqUired, offices up front?Mr. Sortino advised that'is correct, He advised th~ sUbj.c~ propertyis unique in that it is completely surrounded b~ very dense stand oftrees 'so that .th e only a c c e s s facility to subj ect property is fromits frontage 'on Paul Road, it b e.Ln g completely s u'r r ounded by' trees.It is ~roposed that ~arking pf ani vehicles be ~pproximately in thisred area', which 'is outlined' on the' topo map. Mr. Fingar, que stLo n e d ,they mean display, also? 'S'ingle row or s c'a t t e r e d allover? Mr. Sortinoadvised due to De~re's requ~rements, desire. have ~~ be displayed ino r d e rLy manner. Mr. Fingar Ln quLre d , like Halperin? Mr. S'ortinoadviseddef ini tel'y not. If he' 'may add, they will no longer have t.heDeer'e 'dLs t z-Lbu.t o r s h f p for that reason, it is very r e s pons Lb Le companyand v~ry strict requirements for distribu~orship and to continue asauthorized dLs t r Lb u t o r s h Lp have to be. me.e., He will sell everythingbut farm e qu t.pnen t , Ha Lp e r'Ln will stil;L, be, selling farm equipment,he advised on question of Mr. Pfenninger. .

Mr. Palermo qu e s t Lon.ed the dimensions of the' red area. ~1r. Sortinoadvised' p.r ob ab Ly soniewhereab o.u t 650', x' 40,:, p r o b abLy b e ab ou t 50 ',.Mr. Fingar q ues tLoned will th~ybe, 'own.e r'e 'or rent it from Mr. Nicholas.Mr. Sortino a dvLs e'd at p r-e sen t; h av e 'lease'.' Mr. Fingarquestioned ifwouLd be. 'removing t ree s ;' Mr. Sortino advised not present intention.Mr. Fingar was ~oncerned with ~ushrooming Whole ~rea with equipmentand want people to, see t hem from road. Mr. So r t L'n o a dvLs ed this iswhi next part will be ~ign to attact them.

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Mr. Miller' ~ues't'ioned' how many p Lece s. 'of eqU,ipment do they' anti'cipateon d LspLay when s tra r t; business'?' Mr. 'Chafel,applicant appearedbefore 'the' 'Board and a dvLs e'd' p r ob ab Ly not more 'than 25:. Mr. Millerquestioned wha'ttype'?' Mr. Sortino presented b r.o chu r e of equipmenthandled by .John. Dee r'e 'and a d v Ls e'd applicant would be, handling allequipment in thfs 'c a t e go r y now; any nec'ess'ary inventory. Mr. Millerques t.t.oned scraper, dozer, of small kind? Mr. Pfenninger remarked' Ihe would have more 'than 20, pieces; lot of numbe.rs. Mr. Millerquestioned, buying on c ons Lg nmen t; or own it outright? Mr. Chafeladvised c ons Lgnmen't . '

Mr. Hunter, que s t Lon e d the p r o p o s a'd' hours of operation, of repair eon one h an d and s aLe 'on o t h e'z hand? Mr. Ch.af a L advised, hoped b e tween7:0~in morning and 6:0Uin evening for beth ~hases uf business. Mr.Hunter questioned how many days?' Mr. Chafel' advised five days.Saturday, 7:0Uuntil noon.

Mr. Miller' inquired s trar t up equipment wh en demonstrating to customer?Mr. Ch a f e L advised y es ;' t hey will. Mr. Miller' inquired' does equipmentcome with muffler', s LLen'ce r' or muffler? Mr. Chafel advised will makea little more noise than automobiles.

Mr. Fingar Still had concern, thinks you can apprec~ate, juse seeall that eq'uipmen't jammed' into, lot, can t h ey' say have single linealong road area'? Mr. Chafel c oramente d this 'is 'all tree's'in here.Mr. Fingarinquired' could they "make some 'statement, say 'single lineb~ckte rear of b~i1ding? Mr. Chifel advised their i~tention to comeback 50'-100' and line 'e quLpraen t from say this point (using plan)to back edge, all on single line. Mr. Hunter' i.nquired 50'-100' from fron'line?' Mr. Cha f e L a dvLsa d front edge 'of p a vemeu't; , Mr. Fingar inqUiredparallel', with 'Pad, line, single 'line along that line? Mr'. Chafe.l' Iadvised:. using plan, confined to this ar~a, but stand of trees andbe t hese 'in h e re , if familiar with p r-o pe r t y s Mr. Palermo que.st Loued.how £ar building back from Paul Road? Mr. Nichdlas. from audience,advised about 160'-180'. Mr. Hunter questioned scale of map. Mr.Sortino advised very s ub s.tran t LaL s e t ba.ck from r e ar ,

Mr. Pfenninger commented quite a few us e'd ones, b e.sdd.e s new' ones. Mr.Ch a f e L advised' intend to have 25 new pieces.' To say would alwayshave t ha c it is tough 'to say, they would hope to, have more at laterdate" b u.t £ee'l e nough 'property there that they' could probably line50-,60 "pLe c'e.s, but not their intention to have junk yard, or us ed iron,not their intention.

Mr. Hunter inquired, h ow would' they describe,' noise' level' in view ofmainte~ance, starting equipment, etc.? Mr. Chafer advised maintenanceentirely inside. Starting eqUipment outside, surrounded completelyby trees,' really 'does no~ think would bdth~r anyone. In fact, onethi'ng they are 'concerned ab o'n t; is noise from airport in their operation.Mr. Hunter questioned what is involved in demonstrating equipment.Mr. Chafel advised if p o t entLa L, b uye r comes in and wants to h e'a r itrun, h ave a x e a in b a.c k , that .is .Lo t "\V,ider', in b a.ck , and what would do •if did d eraon s trra t e would b r.Ln g it 'back 'to rear 'of property and letman d emo'ne zr a t e , dozer and small sho'Vel. Hr. Hunter inqu,ired socould b~ ~irt and: dust ~reated by demonstration? Mr. Chafel advisedth,is is 'allse'e'de,d, entire area is 's e'ed'ed, if did dig it is 1Jos si- Ib.i,litycou1d h a'v e 'dust. 'Mr. Hunter" u sd.ng plan, qwe s t'Lou.ed h ow faraway ne Lghb o.n over h e r'e ? Hr. 'Cha.feT advised' right next door isRochester' Acoustical o t h er side .o f woods there 'is house' 'in b e'twe.enthem and road and on this side nothing, creek and then go up totreatment plant, nothing this side of it. Mr. Hunter inquired howfar away industrial. Gillette? Mr. Miller would say 3aD .y a r d s 'orso. Mr. Ch af e L felt Rochester Ac ous trd c a L 300,-,40,0'" t h en home, acrossroad the Eamco. Mr. Hunter .sked if he had talked to any of th~se

people" Mr. Cha f e L advised he had t aLke d' to Hamco, on'Ly ones,' theyhave no obj.ection. Other point would like' to stress,' Arnall dozersand small loader, not D-68 type, this is s nraLf, l:ine 'd o z e r , loader.grader and scraper. Mr. Pfenninger commented they would have earthmovers too. Most they would de~onstrate on job.

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Mr. Fingar questioned. would he make statement and say no equipmentstored to ,wes,t side of drivewa,y., ,towards -gewe x, 'treatment plant? Mr.Chafel advLs ed at thi's time c anuo t, store anything in there now. Mr.Fingar was 'th:i.'nking of couple 'of years from now.' Saw some equipmentplaces 'look pret'ty messy wh,en fill right' to road. Mr. Chafel' advisednot the~r intention to do thit, today. Mr. Fingar thought would comeback for variance if would do that. Mr. Chafel advised some day wouldlike 'to' knock c zees 'down, level' it out and line equipment in front,but not of appearance ~e'e in Renriat ta Road.

Mr,. Palermo qu e stLrred , when talk ab cn t demonstrato,r, talking aboutahowLrrg f e Ll.ow ih ow 'operates', not actually doing lot, but Leve rs , etc.?Mr. Chafel a dvLs ed in most. cases, if man wants to s ee' machine, putit .ou t; 'o n demon.s trac Lon , take it .t o your job .an d you can a c t u aLLy use'it for one 'day, then b r.Lng it b a ck j.oe o: as f,ar as 'in their yard. it isat minimum, maybe, man wants to hear it run or see how b Lad e tilts,not actually working conditions. If he wants that. put it out ondemonst r at.Lon , but 'as far as 'di,gging up their property and causingdirt, no.

Mr. Hunter qu e s t Loned approximate horsepower of 'largest unit. Mr.Pfenninger', thought 145, HP, use 'them: b Lg tractors pulling earth movers.'Mr. Hunter would just like to have it on record. Mr. Chafel advisedwould be selling everything in here (r,eferring to b r.o chur e submitted)exc'ept; 'for farm. line.' Would say be s eLl.Lng entire 'line, s e Ll.Ln glike 'const:ruct'i'on and industrial line. Not consumer product or farmmachinery, Halper~n will continue ~ith them. Mr. Fingar inquired,pumpsand c omp-r as sors .. e tc , ? Mr. Ch a f e L advised poss'ibility, but notat present stage.

Mr. Hunter Ln qu Lz e d what plans 'as far as trash and ~"a.stematerials

involved, oil, drums, boxes, e tc, How propose' to store th,e'Di priorto b e.Ln g picked up and taken off site?' Mr. Cha f e L advised shall bestoring t h e'm in drum. Mr. Pfenninger 'commente'd' b Lgg e s t; waste when'dozer' comes in for repair. ' }fro Hunter was concerned about visualappearance of p r o p e r't y , Mr. Chafel poked out the rear property,actually from road tough to see beyond this point (using map). Mr.Sortino called attention to picture which showed wh,a't was visibl,eand also what was not visi~le. Mr, Runter questio:ned'they could assumewould be: regular disposal of this? Mr. Chafel advised right, regular,pickup by: we,ek.

Mr. :l-filler q u e stid.oned Mr. Chafel's experience 'in disbtdbuto rship. Mr.Ch a f e L advised in construction b u.s Ln.e s s: .. se'l'ling of constructionbusines~.' Mr. Miller questioned no experience ~n this area? Mr.Chafel advised no, in selling const:tuction equipment, worked for onefor six years, so is familiar with industry.

Hr. Sortino a dvLs e d' r-e g'a r d Lrrg sign, propose location, with Board'spermission, would be approximately 10' in from front property lineto the south of th~ ~xi.sting drive, which ~ould b~ ~n area thisgentleman was talking ab ou t , Mus t apologize for not haVing actualspecifics regarding its size, reason being John Dee~e like to havec ona Ld e r a.b Le 'control of er',e,c'tion of sign'. Would look something ofth:ls type,' (preseuting exhibit) would be illuminated, a p p r-ox Lma ti esign would b~ 3' x 10', for total ot 3a square feet, f~ee ~tanding andLo c ated in area p z-op o s e'd , In addition to that. request they' havepermiss'ion to erect sign on i b u.Ll.d Ln g. itself, 24" in hei'ght, -ch,iswould not be illuminated. As have' indicated, standard' John Deeresign, b u.t ra ther than hiving John Dee're would have app licant t s name.Sign as ~ndicated would be internally illuminated. Mr. Fingarquestioned whit hours?' Mr. Chafe! advised prob~bly on automatictime, going on at dusk and going off. Mr. Miller questioned sizeand Hr. Chafel advise~ apP~oxiinately 3a square fe~~. Hr. Hunterque a t Lo n e d the' h e'Lgh t", Mr. Sertino advised flexib Le , Again reasonconcerned about adequate sign, which Johh ,Deere Will c ons trr u c t , isbecause' of fact of n a r r ow v Ls Lb Ll Lt y , and fact property located' sothat vehicles going b¢ m~ght hive very limited vision of subjectp r op e r t y and this 'is why concerne.d ab o'u t a d e qu a t e s Lgn , very costlyand John Deer'e c on ce r'n e d ab o.u t; image, will not be flimsy', we Ll,

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cons true ted and very expensive and cons tructed by, theOir engineers. Mr.Miller q uest.Loned' ov e r'aLl, h e'Lgh r , Mr. Sortino could not s ay ; ~".ha:tthey sugge~t is bne ~ha:t fit~ ~n with area, would think lot to topof trees. Mr. Ch a f e L a dvd s e'd' ~.rhat .re qu e at; would be: to, get permissionto erect at maximum height and if their enginee'rs 'felt would be toohigh,' th'ey ,t.Tould notify Board and have it 10'o/er~ if maximum 16' noproblem. Mr. Hunter' felt Board w ouLd have 'to discuss: that. Mr. Sortinoadvised', unfortunatel'y, thes'e 'thlngs not decided' until get' approval Ito use prope~ty~ then they get down to particulars.' ~r. Hunterquestioned how long b e.f o r evspecs 'on that sdgn ? Mr. Cha f e L advised~.hat they do is b r.Ln g their own professional people and d e c'Lde typeof sign they' wou,ld need. They do havethi's problem with trees, t he ymay decide this 'is not sign for them and e h o'u Ld only stick with sign _on front.' 'Hhen t.h ey do this', they' will 'come 'ba.ck 'to Board and show' •what recommended to t h em , As far as 'sign itself, they will be 'leasings Lgn and Lea's Lng it over, 7 years, rather', expensive and they do nots e.L'L them', Leas e them to d e.a'Ler. and quite ,expensive. This 'is standardformula. 'Mr. Hunter' f e Lt; would be', 'z e as onab Le 'to 'come' with it when haveit before giving form approval if this ~s what Board wants.

Mrs. Alice Esse, 84 ,Archer Road questioned would there be gas pump andlarge 'delivery trucks 'involved? Mr. Ch a.f e I, d cub ted' very much,if have'gas 'on premises will be, small skid tank of gas, wi'll p r ob ab Ly have under-ground diesel fuel tank, but as far as 'large 'fu e L trucks on premisesno. Mr. Pfenninger' inquired how many bi'g "t rucks will they have.delivery trucks~o Mr. Ch a f e L advised their intention right' now, not ,owntractor traile:i:', Ln t en'd 'to own' the smaILe r type t h'at; which will transports nra Ll, b a.f f Le :or small dozer; put not ,tr,act'or trailer' type.' It isnot their Ln t en'tLcn to own that type. Mr. Pa Lermo questioned' how manywould t h s'y' need. Mr. Chafel a dvLs ed just one.

Mr. Holder'le; Grenel'l Drive fel't making such issue, this ,is in:dustrialright there, why make issue of having' sign, light on nights, no hOmeS)ix: that area~ f a c t o'rLes t.h e r e;. is . th-e:~e 's orae .:reason cannot have s,i~nl~ghted at n~ght7 Mr. Hunter adv~sed they w~shed to know all pert~ne 'f~ctors of application. Mr. Holdeile ~~vised he was from Chamber ofCommerce; thei we~e interested in having development of business inarea, is that something Town disapproves of, sign in industrial area7Mr. b1iller advised b u.t; t.h e'y do not 'want to, see it .develop likeHenrietta Road. whereha'vesign, a f t er. sign, after sign. Mr. HolderlefelOt t.h ey a eem to make issue' about light.'ing it nights.' Mr. Hunteradvised' c on c e r'n e d with 'size, location, lights, hours of operation inr erms of visu'al appearance as 'af'fecting Town. Mrs. Esse questionedis th~ie not atraile~ park kittykorner acros~ ~nd people do make thattheir home? Mr. Hunter advised that is correct.

Mr. Lauterborn, Attridge Road questioned must ba some codes ~lso aboutwaste oil in repair s h'o p , Experience with industrial e qudpmen t , wouldstrongly recommend he would see to some means of disposal of this, notjus t dump in some hole 'and runs to. Genesee. Would strongly recommendthis sort of thing. Mr. Sortino advised mentioned stQrage would be indrums and weekly pickup. Mr. Lau terborn advised he ,.ras 'talking aboutwaste'~il. He ~as ~dvised they were ~lso. Mr. Lauterborn felt inorderly fashion, is s Ld p s h o d in couple of years, area saturated With.oil. He had no objection, this is essentially ~ndustr~al. Concerna b o.u t; n.oLs e ; felt was out of. line as 'far as he was concerned. Helivesll miles away and certainly any of their equipment would not I

o come 'over' that and their p o L'Lu tLo n , Thinks everyone in Chili shouldclose airport d9wn. No obj~ction to the.se people.

No' one elseappe~red to speak on this application.

DECISION: Resenve d ,

f19. Application of Antho'ny C. Ciaccia,' 63 'Appian Drive. for approvalto erect a house on s ub e-s trand a r d lot 50', x 120' on Lot 21-0Chester Avenue, in line with 'existing homes in area. 'D zone.

eu»: Application of Anthony C. Ciaccia, 63 'Appian Drive, forapproval to erect house. on s ub-es tandar d lot, lot 50', x 120'

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LotZl-O C4este~ Avenue - Mr. Ciaccia appeared be£ore the ~oard and advisehe would like permissi'on to, build a house on Lot 21-0 'Chester Avenueand to be in line with existing houses.' Mr. Hunter questioned norequest from sid, line variance? Mr. Ciaccia advised no, Togetherwith Mr. Hunter, the lots we:relocate'd on the' overall map of Riversi'dearea. Mr. Ciaccia advLs ed on each side p'f these lots existing houses,they .ar e single lots by, t h emseLv e's., Mr. Hunter questioned how longhe had had t.h ern and was 'advise'd' year and half or more. He presentedplan, 'of home intended to build, with garage 'incorporated" so wouldnot have to ask for another variance. ~oth homes WQuid be the same.Mr. Bu~ter questioned if he had bu~lt a hom~ like this, in this areaand Mr. Ciaccia advised he had no t ; Mr. Hunter studying the planscommented they showe,d three bedrooms, two-story including gar<iLge.

Lot 6...:0 Charles Avenue was .Lo c a ted on the overall map, 'it was rightb ehd.nd the previous 'lot. Mr. Ciaccia a dv Ls e'd on ea'ch side of thislot was 'em'pty land, made 'few' .t r Les to find out if chance 'to b u.y them,but could not find out '.owners .. asked neighbors on Charles Avenueand they did not know ,either'. There 'a,re several vacant lots around.Mr. Miller advised he would like to se'e the ab s.t r a c t; of title on"this lot. Discussion was had between the Board membe.rs and Mr.Ciaccia regarding the locatio~ of a house .on a lot near this lot.Mr. Ciaccia was requested to ask his 'attorney for a copy of theAbstract of Title for thi's lot for Mr. Miller.

On q uestLon of }Xr. Bunter if anyone 'present in favor of or opposedto this application, Mr. Antonio Ciaccia, who lives ~t Lot 2a-o andwould like somebo~y to b~ild on bo~h ~ides of his lot, th~y are ~ow

filled' with junk, etc. and it wo:uld clean t h em up.

No one further appeared to speak.I Lot 6~O .Ch a r Le s. Averiu e DECISION~ Reserved

Lot 21-0 Chester Avenue 'DECI,SION~ Reserved

#11. Application of Norton Cleaners,' 33".13 ',Ch,i:li Ave., for a p p r ova.Lto, erect an unlighted' me t'a.L s1'gn 18' x '3"" on canopy over, theirstore in Naum Bros. Inc. Plaza, 33,1.3 Chi'li Avenue. B zone.

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Mr. John Slish, ,Owner' of Brite .signs,. Inc. and if permission grantedthe, .one wh,o will be: 'installing the: sign, appeared be:f'orethli' Boardf,or'this 'app Ld c a t Lcn representing Norton Cleaners.' The store isdown at Naum Bros. Plaza, lOOn': from road, nobody knows he is there,b u.s Ln e s s terr1bl:e 'right now , h a'r-d s h Lp , no bu.s Ln.e s s coming in and 'Iqouldlike to have s1g~ on canppy, 3 r x 18' reading Norton Cleaneis, nonilluminated. Would be: 20cated crosswise on canopy 60 would beparallel to road so can see. Right now no one knows they exist.Will be 'able 'to: see, would be, same as Naum l a , enter along p'a r k.Ln garea, unlighted, metal, painted' sign. Mr.' Hunter' questioned this isone story building, if it is, would be. right on top of canopy! Mr.Paler'mo questioned that would be 'above w'indow? Mr. Slish advisedwhere canopy covering in front of b ud Ld Ln g and b a.ck face 'will cometo, canopy ,onto b r.d ck building. Mr. Hunter questLo n e d where wouldbnttom be.. Mr. Slish advised c~oss piece on b~ong of bnilding andsign right on canopy. '

On question of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of or' o pp o a e'dto this Bpplication. no one appeared.

DECIBION: Letter to be written to Norton Cleane~s requesting theymodify their application and explore ~ossibility oferecting their sign under the Iaum Bros. free standingsign at the entr~nce to the plaza and return to the Board'snext meeting September 22" 1970 .t o discuss' this possibilitywith the Board.

#12., Application of Frederick Holderle, 24 Grenell Drive, for approvalto erect a garage 26' x 24' approx. 3 'feet from south side lot lineat Grenell Drive. D zone.

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IOn que~tion of Mr. Hunter if any one p~esent in favor of or opposedto this application, no one appeared.

Mr.' Ho Lde r'Le 'app e az e d befo re the' Board. Advised th~s will be doneby, Joseph 'Entress'.' In 196.6' had variance to' do this project 'and didnot do it and attorney s a'Ld it expired', so reapplied. Has pieshaped'lot. s e c'ond house 'in from Paul Road, and he: pres'ente'd plot plan.At time applied, anticipated to have J' here wi~h corner of garige;howe've'r', b r.o u gh t the 'surveyor out about 'two \veeks ago and in surveyingarea. thi's would be', ab o.u t; 3", of Lo t line, so we have redrawn plans andtaken corner' off. so' will want 3;3" from lot line and this is c Los e st; Jpoint to ne Lghbo'r . 19.8' 'now to c0t:ner of his h ous e ,. and that isclosest point., gets wi'der in here (using plans)'. Mr. Hunter questioneif n e Lghbo.r faced' on Grenel'l Drive also'? Mr. Ho Ld e rLa advised frontfaces' 'on Grenell, garage 'comes off Paul Road. His p r e s e'n tr garage 'is •part of h ou s e , never us e'd , but twice since 'lived' there. and nowcoming in. convert old garage into family room. Mr. Hunter questionedif he 'h ad discussed' this \vith nei'ghbo:rs. Mr. Holderle advised visitedall ue a'ghb'c r s 'in July, mLs s e'd last' meeting. and all n e Lgbb o.r s onei,th,e'r' s Ld e and across' street signed release'.' No obj,e~tion when passedonce beLore; He presented tract plot plan and pointed out neighbor'shome and hi's. Mr. Hunter questioned which of the getll:Iemen was hisimmediate ueLghbo.r , Mr. Ho Lde r-Le a.dvLsed Pet'er"s.' Mr. Fr~seLquestionedh ow ,far will it b e., Mr. Holderle advised s u'rveyo r taped it 19'.',8' fromproperty line. t h.en' will be: 'another, 3 ,.,. Mr. Hunter commented then23,',. Mr. HoLd e rLe pointing. advised' at: ch f s point, b u.t; as. go a Lorig

. goes out this way. Mr. Hunter commented about 23'.', separating twobuildings.' Mr. Holderle agreed yes. at this point. Did have approvalback in January 6. 196B, copy of which he ~ubmitted. Talked to Mr.Kent. when came to, su:rvey area, monuments b e.tween lot on c c.rn.e r. ofGrenell and Paul Road were gone and had to establish ~rom hduses onPaul Road. Had hard time to', establish 'lines', again, did not know whois responsibl,e 'for removing raonuraen t s;: but seems somebody should be,respunsible ~o see thit is put pack in there. Discussion was hadon whose :res'ponsibility this was.

DECISION:, Unanimously, granted'.

'13: Application of Don Sch~le~, 884 Marshall Road, for approval tooperate a lawn mowe.r repair shop. sales', and service o f mowers ..b Lower.s , mini b Lke s .. and s rrowmob Ll.ee :in b u.L'l.d Ln g located' at .650Paul Road. and also approval to erect adve~tising sign, as persketchsubniitted, on building. E zone.

Mr. Scp,tiler appeared b e.fo r e the Board and presented' picture, of -pr c p o s edsign which would propose to put on bottom roof line of b~ilding, beloweaves , unlighted'. Mr. Hunter asked him for exp Lana t Lon of basic.application, what proposing to do, hours uf operation. etc. Mr.Schuler' a dv t.s e'd b a.e Lc a Lf.y pretty much 'wha'tdoing right no\v., with theexception of trying to b~oaden line a little b~t l~rger and developingmo:e of b u's Lne s s than can right now. Hours would be. 9:00, A.M. to8:00, ,P.M. five days a' week', hopefu;L1y half day Saturday. 9:00, :tonoon. Mr. Miller questioned how many mini bikes in stock? Mr. •Schuler advi~ed at' present do not stock any, this bu.s Lne s e primarilyse':l:vice and this is main thi:ng Ln t e r e s t.ed in. Mr. Miller questionedhow many he hoped to have? Mr. Schuler a dvLs ed two OF three, at one Itime. Mr. Mille~ asked if he hid franchise. Mr. Schuler advisedBob :Fox and Articat 'if wa'nt to. Mr. Miller questioned wha't abouts rrowmob L'l.e s, Mr. Schu'ler advised did not have them. Mr. Millerquestioned how many if did and was advised thiee. Mr. Miller questionedwhere he ~o~ld demonstrate ~nd was ~dv~sed right out in front. Mr.Miller questioned drive around track, intoPau1.? Mr. Schuler' advisedno. Mr. Miller' ques t Lorie d h o r-s ep ow e r mini bikes have. Mr. Schuleradvised 4. one,goip.g to 5. 172 .c c e n gLne is whit it is.

Mr. Hunter questioned if he had submitted any plot plan showing thisbu1lding and 1.ocation on lot? Mr. Schuler advised no. It 1sthewhite btiild1ng there. presently, par~llel. with Paul. Road. Mr. Hunterquestioned the ~istance off Paul Road and Mr. Sch~le~ advised 60'-70'

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he. would say. Mr. Hunter' questioned this property on corner of Pauland Archer Roa,ds?' Mr. Schuler: a dvLe ed yes, house' 'on corner of Pauland Archer, fronting on Paul Road. Mr. linter questioned, garagee as z of chLs or barn? Mr. Schu'ler advised yes, would say 100' downfrom house; 150',-175' from Ar-che'r , would think at least'. Mr. Hunterquestioned size of barn itself. Mr. Schtileradvised 30' x 50'.• Mr.Hunter asked the h e Lg h t; roughly. Mr. Sch,tiler would say about heightof t lrd s room, did not think q.Ji.te that high. Mr. Hunter" qu e s t d o uedone useable ~tory? Mr. Sch~ler advi_ed yes, ceiling in it~ one storyone room, there is two garage doors at either end and single doorgoing in from PauLRoad side wi:th two, small wi:ndowE!' on Paul Road side.Mr. Pfen'ninger' inquired h ot.. mueh s p'a c e to demonstract gas bikes 'atpres'en't? ,Mr. Sch'u'ler' advised had small area: of yard 1.n own home.Mr. Pfenninger' questioned in back or frol1.t? Mr. Schu'ler advised hiskids ride over all I..h.oLe 'yard. Mr. Hunter que s t Lon ed he was notselling mini b:Lkes 'out of hi's home? Mr. Sch~ler', a dv Ls e'd no. Mr.Pfenninger' questioned if t he'y we're very noisy'. Mr. Schu'lei, advd.s ed.not any more than your n e Lghb o.r s ; Mr. Pfenninger, advised mini bike"Mr. Sch~ler thought probabIy ev'ezyb o.dy hassoine 'one next door withmini bike like these'.' Commented on area where had 120:0. ,complaintsfiled on s rrowmo b Lj.e s 'and made only two convictions.'

Mr. Hunter advised him this lvasrelO'identially ao.ued, this is why he washere. He LndLcac e'd hours ;from 9 ,tPh8 l1!ILd qu ea t Loned h e i md.gh t; be,demonstrating one 'any time during/fioR~,s?' Mr. Schuler replied it isrea-,lly difficult to say for sure.' In, most case's where demonstrates omechd'n g is whe'n peopleco,me in, usu'ally from 5 - 6 or on Saturday,could in morning. Mr. Hunter questioned, actually could be any timeas long as he was open? Mr. Sch~lei agreed ye~.' Again, would bedone,'insideanyway. e qua pmeu t is. If s onreb o.dy waJ;lts to see it runlonger', can start up and run it 10', right there, do not need to moveacross' lawn and same with snowmobi.les 'and other equipment. Mr. Hunterquestioned s rrowmo b LLes demonstrate o n property?, Mr.• ~chuler' advisedhop e FuLly not, b e.cau a a if get into demonstt:3ting and/H,a:.¢.~ bunch of usedmachines 'on your hands, w'i.ll just try and hold this down. If someonedefinite, comes in and never seen one, knows, nothing a b o'u t; it, wouldlike 'to see' 'one, quite p os s Lb Ly , again dep,ending on exact conditions,if could do it witho'ut harming machLn e , By same token, drive rightdown road if s rrow , ~lr. Hunter questioned would he expect to have anyemployees, anyone in opera t Lon other t.h a'n himself. who' would be,demonstrating, selling? Mr. SchuLer a dvLs e'd possibility of having oneperson to fill in for him l..h.e'n drive, school bus "o r something. Mr.Hunter q ue s t.Lo n e d that ~vould be, s ub s.tLt.u.t e for him. would not havetwo - three salesmen? He was told no.

Mr. Hunter questioned the parking and Mr. Schuler advised adequate onpremises'. Mr. Hunter quest'ioned how many hekno,ws. could park? Mr.Schuler advised three of them without t r oub Le at all, ,vhi'ch is more thanhe would e x pect; to have at one time. Mr. Hunter: questioned in drivewayarea between bu1lding and Paul Road? Mr. Schuler advised yes.

~!r. Miller 'questioned if he' had lease with owners of pr c p e r't y now 'andwas advised' no. Mr. Miller questioned how much 'land would he let himpark on? Mr. Schuler' advised verbal agreement. wa's 'all set to movein last month whe'n found ~-i'as not commercial. Came 'up to, see Boardjust to ask what kind of sign could put up and ran into hornet's ,nest,was not commercial. When ~p~ke and made agreement of renting btrilding,was mentioned could put separate drive in to front where would not haveto use his present d r Lveay next to house'. His drivewa'y on Paul.Mr. Mi.ller questioned' how long a lease 'discussed with owner ..~fr.Schuler advised did not even discuss 'fact of having legal lease d r at..nup, he told him how much rent a month and he said' he ~vould take it.Mr. Miller q u estLon e d was he claiming hardship for use of this bu.sLne e e ?Mr. Schriler advised no. Mr. Miller questioned unique sitpation forthis property? Mr. Schuler ,..ould p r ob ab Ly get in that exists 'as is,something like that. He was completely surprised was not c omme r c La Lproperty b e.c'au s e using commercially for so long - ,Mr. Miller advisedit ,..a's non-conforming, preexisting use, owner was there with businessprior to ordinance ~f Town, that: is why it. is there. Mr. Schuler

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advised just asking for permission to go in there and run respectableLawn' mowe,r. repair business 'an-d it is secluded .enough from n.e f ghb'o.r sit is 'inconceivab1:e wi,ll c.ause'inter£erenc.eor annoyance to them. 'Mr. Miller ex:plained b a's Lc a Ll.y this Board cannot Leg'aLLy grantapplication unless hardship proven to satisfaction of Board. Reasonfor his 'que s t Lo na von basi's -o n whi'ch could grant, s ome t.h'Lng ab ou t;p r cpe r cy that makes it hardship to use it the wa'y ,it is 'currentlyzoned. Mr. Schuler was not ev'en aware 'of that. Mr. Hunter. wished -him to understand their situation. Mr. Schuler advised he did not Iactually. Thi's would be, something that he would have, to put .b efor ethem; ·,rather than h f.ras eLf , Mr. Hunter. advised he could do it as hisagent. Mr. Schuler felt it would have to come from him, not fromhimselE. Mr. Miller advised' this 'can be, accomplished by, asking •for z e ao.nLng , which would go beTorePlanning Board, the n Town' Board,rezoning to commercial. In this case', asking to, use ,residentialproperty for commercial use, before .z o.nd.ng Boa r d , asking for variance,property business· 'is 'on', not his residence. Mr. Schuler advised sameth~ng they gave him, to, do here. Mr. Hunter advised that was forpart time 'situation to try something and he 'hoped at time was to seeif could d ev e Lo p into.·businessand' on that basis for a .. length oftime,- limited', operation. Now talking about full time silUation,permanent, so it is different situatinn.

Mr. Fingar que s.t Lone d how many different signs would he' wan t , wouldthere b e, 'likefour=five. Mr. Sch uLe x' a dv La e'd all.want is sign to, letpeople 'kn'ow , instead of t.h fs name 'in here, would be, his (showingp Lc t u're t o f sign wished) Mr. Fingar q ue s t Lori ed , I.hether he.would onthat size put on all kinds of equipment? Mr. Schuler advised himit would say Gates-Chili Mower Ser~ice.

Mr. Fingar questioned would he display any equipment outMidebu.ilding? Mr. Schuler advised would say p r-cb ab Ly 'some, yes. Onereason .I"as 'quite interested in property was fact of all people 'Icoming to. bey trees during month of December, if had his equipmentso' th'ey could s ee :it, 5,00,0, .po t.entLaL customers. Mr. Fingar question .how many··w:ould he' 'display, th.ree-four? Mr. Schuler a.dvLs e d probablythree 'law mowers 'and couple 'of snow b Lowe.r.a ;: Mr. Fingar 'lues tionedwou l.d say three 'piec'esof equipment? Mr. Schu'Ler would say under'eight, would depend on amount, again, if get, some of dealershipslooking for and at. If do not get dealership in snowmobiles, noton display. Mr. Fingar questioned, could this be limited to say couldrun no equipment outside of b ud.LdLng., or is t h at; Lmpo s s Lb Le ?' Mr.Schuler' advised no, it is not,impossible'- just, thinking in termsMr. Fingar a dvt s ed. he was thinking of say kids 'riding minibikesaround area'. Hr. &huler' .a dv La e d it wi,ll no t; be. pub Ld c playgroundwhich he would be 'liable for it, only time let any kid ride mini b:Lkeis with parents with them and their permission can try one. ~s saidbefore) as 's o'o n as s tar t; letting kids ride hi.kes 'around, have usedequipment, cannot s e L'I , s o: am.ountof th.is. on outside is limited tovery ·little. If b r.Lng Lawamower in, says does n o t; start, in normalcircumstances, take it out and try =. have started it right there ingood, couple '0£ cases', just matter of adjustment on carburetor,running and back in trunk. Definitely cannot say would not run anycu c s Ld e 'a't; .all, sU'reso'oner or .La t e x. get .caugh t, 'on it whether in- •tentional or uninte~tional. As £ar as usdng property as an areafor the~ to ride any time want or this so~t ~f thing, no. Hashopes 'of probabl'.y own'Lng snowmobile this winter himse'lf and if Ivariance were granted, would ride ~t back and f~rth to home andif know can't run any outside, c o u Ld mt make .it there alone. Notout to have equipment running there all -day -an.d all night and thatsort of th£ng. Amount of.sales estimated for this year in askingfor dealershfp was 15 s nowmob Ll.e s . Here again, assuming sold them

. all, would p r cb ab Ly only amount to. m$e three hours running timetotal anyway. Snow bl.ower about same thi;ng. demonstratB them inmatter of five minutes. ~nd customer knows if wants to buy it, do not wanto s eL'L p Lec'e of e qudpraen t; with,Qut demonstrating it because peopleget stuck will not 'be. b a.ck , w0l1.1d be, honest ab o.ut; it now.

Mr. Pa1er~o questioned operating hours 9 to. 8, 12 ~onth~ a year?Mr. Schuler hoped so, would" p rob ab Ly t.ak e a vacation.

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Mr. Fingar felt they' would need more si'gn details. Hr. Schuleradvised dimensi'ons 'on it overall 3 T', x 26:' on bu.f.Ld f.ng , me z'a l, sign.unlighted; in c en t e r r s ec cdon 2-:1/2.', wide by 14' long. Mr. MiJJercommented would be, 78 sq. ft. en roof of bu.ilding ~r what?' Mr. Hunteradvised said would be just below saves. Mr. Mille~ questioned facingPaul Road? Mr. Schdle~ advised yes. would not be extending abovebUilding at all. would not be spot light on at nights and only signasking for.

Mr:' Harrington questioned in event Board would see fit to grant this.wduld' he cease operation on Marshall Road completely?, Mr. Schuleradvised ye~, vety anxious to do this.

On q u e s tzl on of Mr. Hunter if anyone present in favor of or opposedto, this 'operation Mr. Shartran, 62 :Archer, Road commented th,is gentlemanin bJu.e su.it said would be. glad to, see him cease operation and he wouldlike to, know why. Mr. Harrington advised he asked if he,were grantedthis. would he cease operation. Mr. 'Schu'ler a dv Ls e'd he would liketo stop there.

Mr. Groshek, 68 Archer Road questioned is not .question here b e.f o r ethem to, change property from residential to comme r cda L first? Mr.Hunter, advise'd' no, ques trd on to, operate in residential z one , Mrs.Bs e:e questioned w'hy' when' so much 'comaer'cd a L property around, believesho'p at Chili Center, very commercial. Mr. Schuler advised mainlyprice 'would be, 'be's t answer. When up last month Board suggested c.heckinginto, building on Paul Road, which by the way is priced so far 'out ofhis 'category could not 'dream of that. Hrs.' Esse commented' that wasnot their proble~. Sh~ his lived at 84 Archer Road, very much againstthis 'and upset' about whole 'thi:ng. First remarks seem very casual andvery good way to Btart, but when get in and nois* around, not veryc as ira L to her to get noise around. Hade statement would not let anyone run mini bike 'and errowmob Ll,e b a.ck there. and knows back of herhriuse, lot or proper~y, last year one snowmobile drove everyone crazy.Mr. Schuler thought this goes b a.ck to, last month's meeting, would hedemonstrata this equipment, h~ ~eu'tioned would not sell to anyb~dy

if understand - Mrs. Esse' 'felt that means noise, if repair these. morenoise. Rave 'to cut law, but do not have to have ~ini, bike and suchin back yards. Mentioned just made verbal with Mr. Costanza, nextto building perfect spot to dem'onstrate 's nowmcb d.Le , if have verbalhe ~ight say demonstrate things, she is opposed to application.

On question of Mr. Hunter, no one appeared to speak in favor of theapp Ld c a t Lon ,

Mr. Feiler, 86 'Archer Road advised he mentioned running 12 'monthsout .of year, b a.d enough existing b ua Ln e s s traffic and parking, nosuch off the road parking, it is allan road, death trap on' PaulRoad for month and half until Christmas.' And noise, would notbe favorable; has to, demone t r a t ;' ze a'pd r s then r eLk s them running.will go on.

Mr. McCullough; 69 Archer Road was opposed, th~y have to go in forrepair. have to b~ road te~ted, h~s to halot Df rioise and confusion,definitely against it.

Mr. Barr. 82 .Ar ch e r Road w'a:s op p o s.ed Co 'th.is'based on noise that wouldbe generated as we.L'L as f e e Ld n g this could be, b e'gLnnLn g of more'commercial applications 'and when he bought his house about three yearsago was to get away'from commercial area, in resiuential area andwould hate' to s e'e this beginning. Starting point of more commercialin res'i'den tial section. '

Mr. Langdon, 85 Archer' Road, nothing n ew to say. b u.t; definitely a g a Ln e t;it.

Mrs.' Gloria Lew'is. 77 Archer Road, f e Lt; Mr. Schuler' very ambi.tiousand enterprising which thinks 'indicative of future growth and mightstart out with minor repairs "and sales, thinks 'has' potential and mightend up with more than started or neighborhood could take. not onlylimited amount of parking, but noise, pollution, and already bad.

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,Mrs,' Miller, 78 Archer., Road was 'opp o s ed to this for all the mentionedreasons .:

No one futlher. appeared to speak on this application.

if14. Application of Ralph R, Borchard, 40, Franklin St., forapproval to renew variance of 4' x 6' sign, 60' frominterse'c'tion of Weidner Road and Millstea,d Way (unlighted)A zone.

DECISION: Uanimous1y denied.

IMr, Borchard appea.eed b e.f o r e the Board. He was here to renewapplication and ask to continue sign on property, has been therafor over a year now; same s Lg n as 'originally erected, Mr. Hun t e r;questioned how much 'longer he: might require ',it? Mr. Borchardwould h e sd t a t e to hazard any guess, would expect as matter' of fact,as practical matter. if property has nothing built in period ofyear, Agency Agreement would expire by, that time 'any way, bu.t couldnot guess what would happen.

On question of ,Mr. Hunter if any qne present in favor of or opposedto this application no one appeared.

Mr. Lau t e r b o.r n of Attridge Road, questioned, the signs on differents ub ddv I s Lons 'and wh o'se' z e s p'on s Lb Ll.Lt y they were, cited severalcases where they were quite depreciated and did nothing for theproperty they were on. He q~estioned what ~ould be ~one aboutthase de~er~orated monuments Bnd sub-division s~gns and the matterwas ·discuss'e'd. He 'did not oppose this particular sign.

DECISION: Unanimously granted for a period of one year, wLth-theright to reapply for a renewal. 'I

APPLICATIONS HEARD AT PREVIOUS HEARINGS ON WHICH DECISIONS HAD BEENRESERVED.

App Lf.c a t Lon of James' ~.j'. Neuert , 30..Iva Mae Drive,' for -approval to.operate,a Camper Trailer', Sales & Semce .opera tion at 43li.3BuffaloRoad (N~mrbd Camping Trailers)' and to ere~t an adve~ti~ing sign4' x 6", 14' from ground, as 'close to, front line as p o s s'Lb Le , andamended to include s ma Ll, sign on b u.Ll.d Lng , less than two squarefeet.

Mr. Neuertappeared before th~ Board with plans for parking oftr,ailersand customers' cars and description of signs r.E;l.questedwhich 'the: Board had requested' he present at this meeting. Theplans wer~ studied, lighting, parking and handling of refusewe.re discussed, as weTl as 'p La cement; of signs.

DECISION: Unanimously granted as per plans submitted Augu~t 25,1970. Outs{de Tighiing to, be restricted to'~he backportion of the lot, no closer than lpa' from the lot •line at Buffalo Road.Hours of operation to be. 8:00 A.M. to 9:00. P.M, sixdays 'a week. Nimrod sign, 4', x 6 I s h a L'l, be lighted only Iduring bu.sinesshoursand a h'a L'l, be e r'ect e d underdirection of the Superintendent of Building andCommissioner of J;'ubl,ic Works. Approval for signgranted for a pe~iod of four years, wlth the rightto reapply for a renewal.Approval granted for small sign, approximately twosquare fee~, located in the offlce ~nd copy shopbuilding.

Mr. Geo. Garnham, 805 Harsh'all Road. informally p r e sen t e d to Boardmemorandum of s eve r'a L matters he ob j.e c t e d to, on Marshall Road. TheBoard wrote a- letter to the Town Board quoting the memorandum (onfile in To,oln Clerk's Office) for action by, the Town Board.

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A Pub La c Hea,ring of the 'Zoning Board of Ap p e a'Ls of the Townof Chili, N.Y. wa:sheld in the Administration Offices'of the Townof ChiLi., N.Y." 32.3.5. Ch~li Avenue, Ro cheste r , N.Y., 146Z4 .on Sep t emb e.r22,' 1970 at 8:'00, ,P.M. The', Hearing was called' to order by: the Chairman,Robert Hunter'.

Roll Call was as £ollows~

Present: Mr. .Rob elr't; Hunter" ChairmanMr. ,Cha;rles PfenningerMrs. Gertrude TangerMr. :John PalermoMr. John LighthouseN:r. David FingarMr. Richard Harrington

Also p r e sen.t r Mr. Daniel' L. Miller, Dep'uty To,wn At t.o.r-neyMr. William Davis,' Super1ntendent of Building

It1. App Ld.c a t Lon of Donald Char r oux , 11 Wills Road, for approval to,retain sign on c omme rc t a L building at 320,9, Chili Avenue, 4.', x11' advertising Alex's Donuts. B zone.

Mr. Ch ar r.o ux app e ar e.d b e.f o r e the' Board. He would like to, have thissign for tWd ye~rs, or to coincide with ~ther sign next to road, hasthat ,for t h r'e e' 'ye,a'rs(on checking had it granted: for four years),then can reapply 8t ~ame time. 'Mr. Hunt~r questioned. this is signright. on bu:Llding, is 'it light:'ed? Mr. Charroux 'advised yes, at night~t,'is. with flood light, spot light, lights it up and he puts, itout at 9:00, ,P.M. so' not a1:l night long'. ,Right' now it is 'only onone day., Friday n Lg'h ta.i Thursd'ays 'and Fridays, open Friday nightsnow, will want it on two nights at most, unLes's Town expands overnight.

}1r. Fingar questioned the "Bowe.ry " next door and wh.a t; the'y were doingwith 'the- 'u p s tra.Lrs , Mr. Charroux 'could not give 'hLm answers on thosee.s tab lishmen t s , .

dn ques tion of Mr., Hun t a r if anyone present in favor of or opposedto this application, no one appeared.

DECISION~ Unanimously granted for a period of three years or durationof b u's Ln e s s, whichever is the 'Le s's e r p er'Lo d , wi'th the' right:'to reapply for a renewal.

It2.: Application of John Met'ter, 16 Ta,rrytown'Drive for approval toerect garage '18' x 22', at 16 Ta.rrytown' Drive,,' 5' to ~vest sidelot line.' D zcine.

Mr. Metter' appeared b e.f'o r e 'the' 'Board. Sk.etch of garage as wished toerect it .submd t t e d to Board and studied. Would like 'car and halfgarage so' room for mini bike;, garden tractor, e t c , , one car, g a r a g enot large enough. Mr. Hunter questioned how far was 'the home nextdoor from lot line. Mr. Metter thought' lO',. Mr. Hun t ez questionedif this wer'e allowed. would be dis t.an ce .of 15 t bet'we,en his garage andthis home, but is existing chan link fencether'e.' Mr. Met'tar advisedneighbo.r has same garage he wants 'and still 10', betweBn houses.'Mr. Davis-questioned if side door steps ,coming int~ gar~ge and Mr.Metter advised they will. Mr. Hunter questioned approximately howold was his home and he was 'a dv La ed 15 years old. Mr. Huntercommented code wa.s p r ob ab Ly dd f f e rent; when his h ome wa s b u.f.Lt; , Mr.Mefter advised he' 'had one variance b e.f o r e 'but could not get thegarage built; was O.K., but 'did not have 'the money t h e'n , Mr. Fingarthought t.hey approved, one 'right near here, s cteb o d y came in forgarage. Mr. }[etter thought:' perhaps; yes.' Mr.,: Fiugar' questioned h owwi,de the lot .7 a's , 70 ',1 'He was 'advised yes.

On q u e s t.Lon of J;lr. Hunter if anyone, present in favor of or o p p o s e'dto this application, no one appeared.

DECISION: Unanimously granted.

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T eeal Notice I '21 s? Soottsvtlle: lWad, ScOllB1lillc I'~ N."t'" for ll.;>proval :0 erect bouse • •zoxixo BO,~D OF APPEALS On 101 SO' Itt ''Width. :J;:JPIOX, 300' j principal clerk in the office of THE TIMES·UNION a dallycun, N.Y, depth, next to 21.% Scowwifle~D'I1CE TS ':HEREB.Y GIVEN tbat Road. E lor-e, , .•• s r id

ll1."'le will be ;.I. P~Ibl.L~ hcarl:ll/: of the 5. Apnllcatlon of RO,,~r! Nlldd Q< D""ldjl published In the: City of Rochester, County and tate a oresai ~Z-oninl: Board or Appeal~ or the; Town Gleason, 66 YOlanda: O.I1'C. fllr. ao-e1 Chm, 10 ee ,held in the emu AdmiCl. p:r<;ov~[ to 'COOdUCI small parts \?8rc.. •• • •lstratfoll Dlfid:, 3235 Chin Avenue, l.f'e~ b~sIne:ss ar .32. Chestnut R.:.dlle L notice of which the annexed IS a printed copy, was published mRochester, N. Y. 14624 on Septembet 22 oad. zone, . •

., 1970 et, 3'00 l' M to c<msider 'he fol' 6. Application of Land Cap Manage. j[~t1g applicall~n~, " menl Corp, 245 Powers BuildIng: for'~al>et" on the following dates:1 "" . ap"roval to erect Jl. hOLlSe on nac-:.....P:!?'lcatlon of .oo:llUd Ch<=rHll.1~. P row lot (72' ill Width) "[I~rox. 292"

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",?:lis ROa.d, rOT BDpr~~ll1 to retam deep, a~ 9£1 Names ROlld• .D dislr:ct., slg~.on com.mercial bUU,l1lnll: at ~=?09 7. Alllllic.a.nor: of Land Cap Ma.:Jage.

Chill, Avenu,o. 4 x 11 ~dveruSJD8 Jl:ient Co;p,. 24;5 Powers :BUilding I Sept 14 1.970Alex s DOIlU.:t: II zone. . :lor aPP~oval to ereec ;t hoL:SC an • ,

i. Appllcation p(~Ja:1tt Metter; ,5 Tarn'. narrow lot {n' in .wjdlll) llpp~OX.town l:lrl'l'e fer approvai ~O, erect ' 3'J9' .deep at 99 Names ROll'" Dsara!l'e 13' x 2:l.' al liS fa:t)'tol'ffi District.Drive, 5' (0 west side: !o~ line, D • A:l Interested partles ate requested tozene. 0; ;1're&ent. lly. Order: of Ute Chairman

3. A~pllC:l\tlort 01 Fred Hall, 26 Fenton !f :.lie Z<:nJ!!S 'B_OAtd.Of Appeals <;of l..l:JeR6ad. for a~rnoval to carry on own of <:bill, N.Y.tYPC:W~le~ repalr bll.'iiness 10 heme "MA,RY ll. PARKHURSTll{ 26 Fentoa Road. D .roll~ , Towa Clerk

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113:, AppLf.ca t Lon 'of ,Fred Hall. 26 'Fen'ton Road, for approval to carryon typewr,i t e.r. repair bue Lues's vLn home at 26. ,Fenton Road. D z o.n e ,

Mr. Hall appeared before the Boaxd, and Mr. Hunter requested he tellthem a little bit ab o.u t; wha't he proposed'. Mr. Hall. advised this wouldbe, part time. presently employed at Bausch & 'Lomb" it would be, workdone in the customers' home primarily, ver'y little work .a t. home, otherlthan major overhauls. so do not put any extra traffic from outsidepetiple ~oming in. would adve~ti.e in small papers like Gates-Chili .News to make c cn t ac e s ;. just for p.u r p o s e of reg'istering phone, so couldcontact him. Mr. Hunter commented he would not need' sign then. ...and anticipates', mo s t of work in home of customer. Mr. Hall advised •minor jobs,.. minor repairs. would be, .even Ln g s and Saturdays. Mr,Hunter questioned where would he conduct It" in the garage or c e Ld.a r ?Mr. Hall a dv f.s ed had a woxk ll-en'ch in basement, t o.oLa , lighting, properfacilities to do it. }lr. Fingar questioned any signs on building?Mr. Hall advised, no, definitely not. }lr. Fingar 'questioned' no .empLo y e e s , ,or ,<Till not be:' any? Mr'. Hall advised no, just himself. Mr. Fingarquestioned will thei bring type~riter there? Mr. Hall ho~ed not,'will d Ls c'o.u r a g e it except for maJoI repairs, will go to, .th e Lr homes,he would transport machine and repair it and take it back. M~.

Fingar questioned had he been doing this now? Hr. Hall advised no,because wished to c Lea'r it with Board first. Mr. Hunter questioned ifanyone looking at, it, wou~d they be. aware of it, is r he.r e noise', sm'oke?Mr. Hall adv a s ed only if n edghb o.cs 'looked in his .b a s emen t; 'Yindow. Maybe,he would be', making more trips 'out o f his driveway • Mr. Hun t e.r questionedfive nights 'or we.eken'ds 'as ,<Tel'l? Mr. Hall adv Ls e'd. some Saturdays, somepeople may not wish him to come in their homes in evening and probablysome small business work, was 'small b us Lne.s ses ,that have typewriters ,would, not be, o p e n in eve nLng , h ave 'togo there 'Saturday morning.Mr. Fingar que s t.Lo ne d v Lf he' had talked' this 'over wit:hthenei,ghbo,rs. IMr. Hall advised' just on either, side, not o ues. 'across' street, perfectlall right wi'th them. Mr. Hunter questioned no feel for approximationhow much of his, time wo.r k Ln g at home 'as 'op p o s e'd to other" people'spremises, half. qu a r t e.r t Mr. Hall felt 80% done .Ln their home. 20,%necessitate doing some work in his home.

Mr. Palermo questioned what volume would he anticipate, what did hehave in mind, h ow far going to shoot? }lr. Hall felt if volume didget so' could not handle it with present s Lt tra t Lon , imagined' wouldhave to, submit for ano eber variance. Mr. Hunter, a.dvLs ed., yes. ifconditions 'change. Mr. Hall feD: until in business 'did not know whatvolume would b e.,' Mr. Palermo questLon e d if h'e wa's 'repairing typewrite,rsnOI.?' Mr. Hall advised' no, just fe~-i .at business' places.

On question of Mr. Hunter' if anyone 'in favor or opposed, to thisapplication, one gentlemen from audience '\olh'o did not wi'sh to go onrecord, remarked he ~ould be his first customer. no one furtherappeared.

DECISION: ,AND FINDINGS OF FACT,

FINDINGS 'OF FACT: Appears ;to 'be nature of business. 'and £act will be, •limited custome~s ~om1ng to home and majority afwork conducted off premise'sFound no v Ls ua L or acoustical awareness bu.s Ln e s s Iis b e.Ln g conducted in home as presented by appli-cant.Applicant states he is sole proprietor and operatorof this b u.s Ln e s s,

DECISION: Granted for a period of three years, or as long as applicantis owne r of the h o'me 'and operates, a a'Ld business' h Lms e Lfi ,whichever is the Le s ser' p e r Lo d , wi,ththe right to, reapplyfor a reriewal, with the folloWing vote: Mr. Hunter aye,Mr. Pfenninger' aye, Mrs.' Tanger aye, Mr. Palermo aye,Mr. Lighth6use aye, }1r. Fin'gar no, Mr. Harrington aye.

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1/4•. Ap p La c a t Lon of Mrs. Ruby' K. Sehm, 2156 'Senttsville Road, Scottsville,N.Y., for app.roval to, er'ee',t, house on lot .80 t . in wi.dth; approx. 300.'.in de~th,' ne~t to 2156 'Sc~ttsville Road. E zdne.

Mrs.' Sehm appeared b e.f o r e the Board. Mr. Hunter asked her to, tell thema little 'bit 'abo:utthis 'appLf.c a t.Lon , h6w hid lot of this s Lz e., Mrs.Sehm a dvLs.ed just bought chelot, no ,ho'use 'on it, just·. garage, bu.t nohouse.' Mr. Hunter takes 'it, this 'is lot t.h a t, has 'existed for some timeon their rolls.' Mrs. Sehm a dv f.s ed yes .. has.' Bo n ght; it from Farrell,he p a s sed away,· bo.ught it from daughters.' Mr. Hunter ques.tioned, didshe e xpe c t; in bud Ld Ln g this 'home would not have to. require variance:for any of of rest, would be, able t o. meet normal side "lot of 10',normal setback, front and back? Mr. Sehm a dv a s ed y e s .•· Mr. Hunterq u e s trdoned was'part o f garage 'inc·orporated in home? Mrs. Sehm 'advised

. garage on there already, will just put house on, it already h.a's garage"Mr. Hunter questioned location of garage on lot. Mr. Davis t h o'ug h t;probably she' 'did not have ·it. Mr. Hunter qu e s tLoued what is conditionin relationship to house 'in terms of wi,dth of lot. Mr. Palermo qu e s t.Lon erlcenter of lot, off to one side, or what? Mrs.' Sehm did not know, p r obab Lyin c ent.e r , Mr. Hunter qu eat-Lon e d , in any- event, wo:uld not anticipatebu.ilding garage; hop e to use ex·isting one?' Mrs. Seh'm advised not u n Lesshad to: t e'a.r ,it down for something or other'. Ml;. Hunter questioned theywish to b ud Ld so would not have 'to bu.ild garage?' Mrs " Sehm hopednot to. Mr. Palermo questi.oned the dimensions of h o'u s e , Mrs.' Se.hmdid not know, had not decided, told had to get variance before could doanythi'ng because' s h o'u Ld h ave '90,'. on lot. She was 'questioned lot wasnext to. conservation lot? She 'advised she lives on Dumpling Hill andthis is 'right' next toor to it, it is practically on top of knoll,State 'property, then her house, then' lot. Mr. Davis 'advised house1100. s q, ft., one 'of A.T;S. homes', they make 1100, .s q , ft.', which willbe. approximately 24' x 44'·. Mrs.' Sehm a dvLs ed not allowed'. to be: 1050so had to go into 1100,., Mr. Davis 'advised they figure on 1lOO,be,causedid not h~ve 10SD. .

Mr. Miller' inquired who did she' say she 'bo.ugh t; lot from? Mrs.' Sehma dvLs.ed Robert 'Fa r z e L'L, he' 'is 'de.a'd , bought i tfrom the' d a ug h t.e r'a ;:Mr. Miller' qu e st Lo ned lyhit did husb'a:nd' own out there b e.f'o z e ? Mrs. Sehma dvLs e'd just· ha.d g a r age and lot. Mr. Mil'ler que st.Lon e d did he· own lotnext door? Mr·s.' Sehm a dvLs e'd she is next door to that, she owned lot onleft hand sLde , then empty lot on other side" Mr. Miller questionedMr. Farrel'! just owned this one 'Lo t 'and how many years?' Mrs.' SehmIelt good many y e-a r s ;' Mr. MiDer questioned what did he use' it forwith' just garage, d Ld he ever come .out? Mrs.' SEhm a dvLs ed he' wasdead before t h e'y moved there, property La ft; to. Wife; she 'died and leftit to daughters.' 'Mr. Miller' questioned she'owned' lot next d o o n? Mrs.s ebm advised' yes' in house' on lot' 'next to that, and advised ~yhere 'lotwas 'in r e La t Lcn to State. property. Mr. Miner reques.ted Abs:tract ofTitle 'for this lot for ex'amdn a t Lo n , Hr5.: Sehm: 'advised' yes', bu.t;did not have 'it h e'z-e , At Mr. Milld.'s request, Mrs. Sehm said shewould b r'Lng it .into 'l:own Clerk's 'office 'f o r hfm to check it.

On question of Hr. Hunter,'if anyone present in favor of or opposedto, this ·applic.ation, no one a p p e are d ,

DECISION: Unanimously. granted s ub j.e c t; to Deputy .Town Acto.rney'sapproval after examination of Ab s.t r.a c t of Title 'whichh evzr e q ues te d applicant furnish 'for 'hisex amina t Lo n ,

115. Applicati.on of Rober'tNudd & 'David Gleason, 66 Yolanda Drive,for approval to c.onduct 'snraLl. parts (part time) bu.s Lrie s's 'at32..Chestnut Ridge 'Road D, z o n e ;".". (n.dt amended at hearing to. be,mechanical repair and collision, part body and general worksh~p in garage ~t rear on p~rt time basis)

Mr. Nudd appeared before 'the Board and 'submitted letter to, ZoningBoard {rom Mrs;' Hincher own.e r of the' property. Advised applicationwrong as s ta t e d as 'far as yart time 'parts business.' Mr. Pfi e nrrLn g e rinquired wha't kind of b u.s Ln e s a , Mr. Nudd advised in part" mechanicalrepair and collision, part. b o.dy and 'general work on small scale, nothingmajor, because bu',ilding not bi.g enough,' Mr. Pfi e rm'Lu g e r inquired do this

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work Ln s Ld e ? Mr. Nu d d advised' right". Mr. Hunter questioned', he' saidcar repair? Mr. Nudd advised' minor r e.p'a a r , b r.ak e job" ,spray painting,some b o.dy repair. Mr. Hunter questioned' how much 'noise'? Mr. Nuddadvised minimum he hoped, they are not going to get into anyt~ing wherehave to, pound and bang, put new .f e n d e r on or door, a s 'long as stipulationfrom Mrs. Hincher, there 'will be, 'minimum amount of noise; Mr.Hunter ques tioned talking part ,time? Mr. Nudd advised yes, both of Ithem have full time job; 'Mr. Hunter, questioned' what h cur s I Mr.Nudd a dvLs e'd probably be, 4-5 hours 'ev.e r y day, hard to' say, "becausework trick, sometimes 'in morning, sometimes, 'afternoon, sometimesnights, 6:00,-'7:00;, would not b8:late 'a t; n.ight. Mr. Hunter qUestioned.but might be 'anytime during the day, one t h e re one part and a no t her'anothe~ time. How many d~ys and on Saturday? Mr. Nudd advised ye~,'work tr,ick at Kodak, six days 'a week, Mr, Hu n t e r. que s.tLo ued' anySunday work? He wa. advised no. '

Mr. ,Hunter ques t Lo ne d would he need a a Lgn in connection wi,th business'like this?' Mr. Nudd advised out by road or something like that. Mr.Hunter questioned req.u:esting sign as p a rt of application:? Mr. Nuddwould like to put, one on b u.LLd Lng , Mr. Runtex:' questioned any ideawhat would look 'like;. what si'ze? Mr. Nudd thought, 10',_+2': x 18"high, unlight'ed, metaL sign wifh name painted, on it.

Mr. Lightho'use ,ques.tioned how abo'ut neighb'o,rs.around there, are theywilling to allow,this? Mr. Nudd a dvLs e'd he t'alked to, all around there,t~ all except Mr. Szet'ela. could not find him at ho~e. no'one has anyobjecti:on ,against it., Had not b e'en ab Le 'to contact MI. Sze.teLa ,

Mr. Hunter questioned any hardship being claimed on property as far asusing t.h La in commercial application? 'Anything ab cz p r o.p e r t y thatmakes 'it difficult to use 'as residential piece of p r o p e rty f Mr. NuddIadvised not that he knows of. cannot conce£ve of any hardship thathe knows of. Mr. Davis commented that was 'formerly 'a garage; l!fr.Nudd agreed yes .. was 2-:1/2 .c a r wide. Mr. Davis 'collllente'd, even' nowhis s~gn on. Mr. Nudd agreed yes, Kendall sign.

Mr. Hunter, questioned ab c'u t, h ow far to, adjoining ho'me? 'Mr. Nudda dvd s ed' sm·all t e n'an t dweT1ing to thenorthwes't of ,it,,')vould say m1}'be,35'-40', and other: c Lo s e.s t would b e, Mrs.' Hincher, in front" about samedistance. House ~n east ,side would be h~ ~magined, 60'~65', thereis adjoining lot. Garage sits', b eh f.n d Mrs.' H'inch~r way 'back, otherhouse way up front. Imagi~ed lots, 50', wide.

Mr. Light]:l..ouse wO:ndered ab o.u t; noise', banging to fender. Mr. Nuddadvised do not bang the'm, out" get' nevi one a nd put o n , use' torch anddrill and put t.h em b a.ck. in sh·~pe" have 't o'o Ls now .th az; .b rdn g s themright back out. Mr. Fingar questioned him Oft his tools, and headvised had some h~t minimum, ~ad some equipment, but as go along and canafford it will invest in more. Mr. Fingar questi~ned if ihei h~d b~endoing this work b~f~re?: Mr. Nudd advised yes, at Mr. Gleason's 1ncity.' Mr., Hunter ques tioned they hope eventually c o uLd ~vork in tofull time business' if work o u t; , Mr. Nudd advised' y e s., put not at athis 'location. Mr. Pfenninger questioned any b u.s'Lnas s continuously •in this b u.LLd Ln g f Mr. Nud'd .advised not for past .te n y e a r a-r wh,eu.son c Lo s e'd' up garage," he had mechanical repair shop, oil changes,et~. fue~ tru~ktoo. .

On qu asz f.o n of Mr. Hunter if anyone p r e s.ent; in favor of thisapplication, nb one appeared. On que~tion if any one ~pposed,

Mr. Mulhern, 14 ,White 'Birch Circle 'advised, he' lived directly behindth'is.' First of all, new' merab e.r in Chili, invested heavily to moveout h er'e 'and did not "'vi:sh' 'n edghb o.r to cuxn into, garage, already havecondition at 44, .Che s tmu t; Ridge Road, which ·is repair. garage type work,junk ca r s 'and b r'o k en down' b o.a t s 'and is sorry to s ay are only one here,but the' 'z e st; could not be h er e ," If argument, would like t ab Led toget petition and this, g entLeman c o u Ld have: 'his 'a.rgument, but t,o, haverepair shop in residential se~tion, definitely against it, plusneighbo,rat8, ,14, 12,: 10 White 'Birch Circl.e, which is 'directly inre~r of building, approximately 50', from his lot line,' b~t b~ilding

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Mr. .Bz e.t e La , 34, .Che s t.nu t; Ridge Road. had p'lanned not to have any voicein this matter. did not .ca r e 'one wa,y or other. Primarily because heards ome t hdn g yes.tre r'day which 'led him to b e'Ld.e ve this 'applicationwas notadvertise'd properly, and think mentioned sm'all parts in thisgarage. his Ln t e xp z e t a t Lon would be, s pa r e parts 'store. then heard wasgoing to. be collision s hop , 'Two reasons why would approve' th',isapp Ld c a t Lo n , familiar with next door. lived th:ere 30, .ye ars , they arefine person. s ure 'sh'e'can use' money , would approve it on that basis.Second. admires any young enterprise', instead of drug h ab.Lt s 'andapproves, of his 'arab Lt Lo n and lik.e to .see him get into, headache. b ut;again comments to him and Board. he' was 'c omp Le t e Ly misled as to, purposeof this 'and when comes' 'to collision and paint shop. lived' next toone 'for fifteen y ear s , he' 'c,annot use that w.i thout his driveway. canput up wi'th 'that. in favor of p;romising e nt.er'p r Ls e ;' now wond e r'Lug if-that 'building is. actually thinks' b u.t.LdLug has no ceiling. open 2 ,x 4.p r ob ab Ly 20:',x 20:. Mr. Nudd adviq;e'a ceiling is 'of insulated boards,which 'on final approval. in order to get fire insurance. will have.to. equip w.ith nec'ess'a'ry equipment. exhausts" fu.rnace. Mr. Sze:telaadvised no water in that building. no sewer. ~o heat. Mr. Nuddadvised they will be a burner in. Mr. Sze.tela advised buildinganraLl.e r than t hd s hall, all open building. Asked Board to, considerall these things, and ;if applicant 'and p r emd e e evand .existing conditionscomply with wh,at r e quLr ed. he would be glad to share driveway with Mr.Bud at $l.OQ year rental. so no squatt~r's rights. Been through thisbefore and two reasons 'could approve it, bu.t not on this, b a.s Le ,Qu e a t Lo n ed the 'Chairman of the Board what was his interpretation.Mr. Hunter did not really know what was involved by variance on readingthis put ~n notice, could clarify requ~~t at meeting itself. but aslong as know t h.Ls evening, all that is n ec e s sar-y , Mr. Miller advisedhe had call from Mr. Gleason during week. error in making applicationor way cler'k took it down. He advised them they could amend it'verba,llya tthis meet'Ln g , which has b e.e'n done. Mr. Szet.el'a thinkS honestmistake. He got ,it from neLghbo.r e was to be. c o Ll.La L'on s h.o p and mightadd. in p r evLous vga r a.g e his' Ln s ura n c e .. r-ates' went, s ub e.trau.t.LaLl.y higher.he has 'two homes 'on that one piece of property" b e'c au s e of fact storedmotor oils 'and Lub r.Lc an t a ;: anti-f,ree:ile: and stuff there. Questioneddid he' pLan on having compres S'01:" there ~ Mr. Nudd advis ed w,:i..,ll be',stored in me ta.L cabinet'. Mr. Sze.tel·a a dv Ls e'd finally" says this onz e co.r d , all say. will be: 'glad to, share drivewa,y d.f everything is incompliance with what is. necess·a'ry. b u.t that will be: 'up to Board.Mr. Nudd advised in accordance with Mrs.' Hincher. if thi~ is approved.will ba ~o junk cars stored on property, only cars there are cars'working on and have 'only storing for two. no junk cars 'as o t h.e rgentl~man states ~s ~$ down road. knows what he is talking about andwill 'not s.t o r e any c a r s ;: {f that bad brought in tow .t r.u c.k , just carsdrive in, wor'k, on. drive b a.c k out, b udLd I n g not equipped and thatwill not bee~uipped to handle major work. Mrs. Tanger questionedall be 'stored Ln.e Ld e ,. n o t; out? Mr. 'N:udd advised maybe, one or tilTO.h aLf acre 'of land b e hd.nd building that b o.rd e r s hi's p'r-o'perty, nothingstored, high s h rub b.e'r y , cannot see', 'his house.

Mr. Palermo questioned' what maximum of cars there at any time. anyone time. Mr. Nudd could not say. ivould not want any more than 3 ',- 4can only, get two. inside,' would not want 'any ,more waiti!1.8 around.cannot handle t.hem , Mr. PaLe mno que s t Loned p e op Le drop them off andpick tham up? Mr. Nudd advised depends un situation. 3 ~ark infront, p r o b ab Ly 3 ',- 4 .pLu s two inside" but Mrs.' Hincher stipulatesno junker's.: d e b.r.L 'aro-qnd budLd Ln g ; have pi,~kup truck t ake junk out.Will not handle any more than can.

No one £urther appeared to speak on this application.

.DECIS ION:, Unanimously denied •

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16. Application of Land Cap Management Corp., 245 Powers BUildingfa r approval t o ver'ec't a h o'us e on narrow '10 t (t2', in w;t.dth)approx. 2.9,2': deep, at 99'. Names' Road. D District.

#7., Appliea tion of Land Cap Managemen.t Cor p ; , 24,5 POlver's Buildingfor approval to e r'e ct; a house 'on narrow .Lo t; ,(73 t', in wi'dth) ,app r ox ;: 30,0', deep at 99, Names' Road. D Dist'rict.

Mr. A. John' Tijou, of Una-Vist'a Ass'o'cia.tes,. Inc. appeared b e.f'o r e .th e Ib o.a r d. and s ubmd t t.ad ll.u plot plans 'sh'owLng p r o p o s e'd Lo c a t.Lon of ranchhomes they wi.sh'ed to', erect 'on these two' lots.' He advised' they werelots, of Land Cap which 'was ho'lding company 'and they will be. acquiring athem and wi,ll be, 'putting up these' two house's 'on t he s e lots.' There •are exi'st,ing ho'mes.on ei'ther s L'd e of these' 'lots, and on one lot isashack whi'ch they would be ·.removing. Pointed out the location ofhouses un lots w~uld be. such 'if ow~er wished to erect garage would be.ade'q'uate room without requesting a variance.' Mr. Fingar inquired with60", front s e t.b ack 'would he' 'not be, behind these' other homes? Mr. Tijoube'Lde ve s' '55' was 'se'tb:a:ck of some houses, thfnksdown road swing out.Bel'ieved one 'next 'door 55 r, b u.t; they lvi,ll put the 'ho'ua es wh'erever,the Board wish'es them to put them. When' he' was 'qu e s t Loned if he knewof the drainage pEoblems in that·area he advised he ~id know ~f thep r ob Leme 'over tih.er a wi'th 'water, and has r e a'd the Town Ordinance.' Has'not built over there before ',thi"s, it 'is his first experience there,.and he will be: the' builder'; On Mr. LighthotLses·. qu e s t.Lo n on how .cLo s e:to, Lester s r r e.ec' ,the'Y we,re 'located, a map sh ow Ln g the lots 'inr e La t.Lon to Les't e r Street was 'submitted'. '

On question of Mr.' Hunter if anyone p r e se.n t in favor of or oppo e e.dto, these applications, no one ~ppeared.

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16 .. Unanimously granted'. To be, erected ·wi'th a' 60' front setbackor in line 'wi,th axLs t.Ln g homes in area.

17 :' Un.a n Lmou s Ly granted'. To b e',erected with a 60 " 'front s e tb a.ckor in line with 'ex~sting h orne s in area.

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liZ., Ap pLd.c a t Lo n of Stanndco Dev:.elo'pmen't,. In'c., 40. Wildbr',iar Drive.for approval of a variance 'from six unit re~tal townhouses' 'toeigh t and ten unit rental townho'uses' per building in the approvedMeadowbr,ook Farm Apartment Froje·c,t. located' on Un.ion Street. Phas e 2 .a3,', as 'per site, submitted. MR zone.

DECISION: Granted to incorporate eiibt {8) unit townhouse. perb u.L'l.d Ln g p Larra subnd t ted.De~ied permis~ion t~ utiliz~'~h~ 'ten' (lD~ unit townhousesin'those plans.

with 'the: following vote: M-r. Hunter a y ec : Mr. Pfe.~ni:nger aye,~frs. Tanger abs.t'aLn , Mr. PaLe rmo aye" Mr. Lightho'use' aye"Mr. Fingar aye,' Mr. Harring'ton aye.'

115. Applic.ation of :Ber'nard- Bianchi',' 20.1, lrgelus 'Drive, ,for approvalto erect a home on s ub e-e tanda r d lot, 50 f , x 120..' at .49 MorrisonAvenue, 40' from front lot: line 'in D z o.ne ,

IDECISION~ Granted' with the £ollowing vote: Mr. Hunter aye. Mr.

Pfenninge.r' aye, Mrs.' Tanger ab s.tra'Ln , Mr. Palermo aye"Mr. Lightb.o'use aye" Mr.' Fingar aye, Mr. Harrington aye.

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/16. App Lf.ca t Lo n of Ber'nard Bianchi, 20.1 Angelus Drive, for approval toe rec t a h ous e 'on sub-.st·andar.d lot at 23: ',Charles Avenue; lot size,50' x l2~', 4~' from front lot line in Dz6ne.

DECI.STO'N: Grante'd' wi.th the following vote: Mr. Hunter aye, Mr.Pfenninger' aye,' Mrs.' Tanger ab s.taLn , Mr. Palermo aye.Mr. Lighthouse' aye; Mr. Fingar aye,' Mr. Ha r r Lng t cn aye.'

iF7. Applicati,on of Bernard Bianchi, 20:1 Angelus Drive, for approvalerect a house on sub-.standard lot at 40. .Ha z o Ld Avenue, lot 50',x 120', in line 'with 'exd s t Ln g homes 'in area, 7' si'delot linevariance 'on both sides. D z o.n e ,

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DECIS,ION: Granted wi:th. the, following vote: Mr., Hu n t e.r. aye, Mr.Pfenninger aye'- Mrs. Tanger' abstain, Mr. Palermo aye,Mr. Light'house aye, Mr. Fingar aye, Mr., Harrington aye.

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18. Applicati~n of Edward Chafel, 60 Bright Oaks Drive; for approvalt~ operat~ a repair and sa~es operation of construct~o~ equipmenton property located at 60 ~aul Road and for ap~roval to e~ect anadve r'c LsLug sign, as per sketch aubmd r t e d , A z o.ne ,

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Granted' with the following stipulations a.n d conditions:

No e qu Lpmen't; shall be: ',displayed outside closer t han lOOt.from front lot line.Ou ts Ld e 'disp'lays, 'of equipment to be: 'done in a nea.t andorde~ly fashion.Adequate 'off premises 'dLsp o s a'L of oil or equipment andparts Shall be: provided.Outs±de storage of refuse is to. b~scre~riad ~i natuialor artificiai fences.Sign s p'ecd f Lc a t Lo ne s IraLl, be' 'eubrad.t t ed to, the Zoning Boardfor approval or pass i b Ie modif icaCi·on.

Granted' with the follOWing vote: . Mr. Hunte.r aye, Mr. Pfenningeraye. Mrs. Tange~ abatain. Mr, Palermo aye. Mr. Lighthouse aye,Mr. Fingar aye. Mr. Harrington aye.

/19. Application of Anthony C. Ciaccia. 63 'Appian Drive, for approvalto e r ac t 'a house' on eub-cs t'anda r d Lot; '50 t , x 120:'" on lot 21-0Ch e.s tre r. Avenue, in, line 'withex,isting homes 'in area, in D z o.n a ,

DECISION: Granted' wi,th the follo'wing vote:' Mr. Hunter' aye, Mr.Pfenninger' aye; Mrs " Tanger ab s.ta d n , Mr. Palermo aye,:Hr. Lighfho'use aye" Mr. Fingar aye, Mr. Harrington aye,

1/10. Application, of Anthony C. Ciaccia, 63 'Appian' Drive.', for approvalto erect a house un sub-standard lo~ 50' x l2Q' on Lot 6~OCharles' Aven'ue, in line "'ith existing h ome s' 'in area in D zone,

e- DECISIO~":' Granted: with t.h e £0110",ing vote: Mr. Hunter no. Mr.Pfenninger, aye, Mrs. Tanger ab s.traLn , Mr. Palermo' aye.Mr. Lighthous~ aye, Mr. Fingar aye, Mr •. Harrington aye.

I fill. App Ld c a.t L'on of Norton Cleaners, 33.13 ·.Chili Avenue. for approvalto erect an unlighted metal sign 18' x 3 F on canopy over theirstore in Naum Bros.' Inc. Plaz'a., 33.13 ',Chili'Avenuein B z o.n.e ,"

DECISION: Granted for a period of one year, or until tenant in sameb u.LLd Ln g makes' 'application for sign, whichever' is ,the:less:er period.

Granted· with the 'following vo t e e Mr,. Hunter aye" .Mrs.'Tanger abs.ta Ln , Mr. Pf e nnLug e r' ay e, Mr. Palermo aye.Mr'. L1gh t:ho'use' aye. Mr'. ,F.ingar ay e , 1>11'. Ha r r Lng t on aye.

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ZONING BOARD OF APPEALSOc tob ar 27" ,1970

A Pub Lf.c Hearing of the' 'Zoning' Board of Appea'ls of the Town ofCh f'Lf , N.Y., wa's heTdin t h.e Administr'ation Offices' 'of the Town ofChili, N.Y., 323,5, Chili Avenue, Rochester, N,.Y., on October 27,197,0'at 8:00, ,P.M. 'The 'Hearing waa 'called to order b'y the Chairman, RobertHurter.

Roll Ca,ll was 'as 'follows:'

Present: Mr. Robe.rt Hu n t.e z. ChairmanMr. Charles Pfennin~e~

Mrs. Ge.rtrude TangerMr. John Palermo'Mr. JO'hn Ld.gh thous eMr. David FingarMr. Richard Harrington.

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Also present: Mr. Daniel' L., Miller', Deputy Town A t to.xney

#1. Application of Donald Taft, 15 Yolanda Drive, for approval torenelv va r Lan c e 'of advertising sign, 4 f x 6 f "FOR SALE" onnortheast (c o r z e.ct ed from as 'a dve.r c Ls ed "southeast") c oxnez. ofMorgan Road and Union Street, 4190 'Union Street, EE-zone.

favor of or opposed to, IIinOn q ueszLc n <if Mr., Runter if anyone 'presentthis application. no'one appeared.

Mr. Taft .ap p e a'ze d' b e.fo r e 'the' Board. Mr. Hunter, questioned could he br,ief'l~

desc-ribe: th~s, it i.s unlight'ed? Mr. Taft advised' strictly a for salesign on corne~, wo~den, painted sign, put up there last year. Has aone year variance 'now, wcuLd like' 'to ask for longer ex t ens Lo n insteadof one year, for. two' years.' Mr. Hunter, advised cannot give m.ore thanone year. way code is set' up. Mr. Taft 'advised' he' 'will hope to sell,,i t withIn 0 ne year t h e'n ,

DECISXON: Granted' for a p e rd o d 'of one ':Year,wi'th the 'right to real?plyfor a renewal. UNANIMOUSLY.,

t!2., Application of Mr. (, 'Mrs.' Frank Slominski, 30,4.0: Chili Avenue.for approval to, ren·ew. variance granted to Mr. Fisher: for, greenhouseon property a pp r ox , 20:0'. f rom eh,ili Aveuue , 10', from propertyowned' by H. Bell and adjoining property owned' by ,St.' P'Lu s XChurch in E zone. Hob b'y' Only, at 30,40. ',Ch,ili Avenue. E zone.

Mr. Slominski appe~red be10re ±h~ Board. 'He wo~ld just like to haveit for a hobby, garden plants 'and f Lowers 'in it'. Mr. Hunter questioned'he unde r s trands he r e c'en tly p ux ch a s e'd this property. Mr. Slomins.ki. advisedyes. Mr. Pfenninge~ inqu~red if he ~aisad flow~r~ to sell and Mr.SlOminski advised no. h~ did not raise anything to sell.

On q u e a.t.Lon of Mr., Hunter if anyone present in favor of or opposed to,this ·app'lication. no one 'ap peared;

DECISION= Unanimously granted for a He~i<id of five ~e:ars,' or aslong as a p p Ld c an f awner/~f tRgc~~5~~'rty. whichever,is the 'less'e'r p e rLo d , w:ith the 'right' to, z e a'p pLy for arenewal.

«z : Applica,tion of Carl T. Minoia,2575 Ch£li Avenue; for approvalof an advertising s Lgn , lighted, 3", x 6'. hanging on poleLmmedd a t e Ly in front of b u.LLd Ln.g located' on p r oper t y at 25.75Chili Avenue, as per sketch s ubmd t te'd , E aone ,'

IMr. Minoia appeared' be'fo-rethe Board and sU'bIIi,itted plot plan and pointedout locati~n of ~lepbdne jole which hive fdr fload lights, at pre~e~t

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He pointed out on the plot plan location of pole it would be. mounted on.Mr. Pfenninger' inquireii the: 'pole wa:s 'th e r e now? Mr. Minoia a dv f.s ed yes',and flood lights, on it, would be. 'ab o'u t; 175' -20:0'. from Chili Avenue, sitsapproximat.e1.y ·about 50 '. insi'de 'Sta·.te 'property ·line; runs 'on angle 't oState line. Mr. Hunt er que stLo ne.d the height 'and Mr. Minoia a dv Ls e'd poleright now not full length pole, poss~bly is' high, this would be mountedprobably 15' from ground to prevent children'from getting at it, closerto top instea.d of' b ot com to keep children from ~oi?-g damage to it. IfLowe.r , eaade r to. throw.,:Si·o·nes 'at it. Mr. Hunter fel't there will be someconcern as to height by' Board. Mr. Minoia airised' does no t make toomuch differen'ce to t hem, pole" wooden telephone pole wi.th 6 t cut offoriginal height, did not know ~riginal height of telephone pole. Mr •Hunter. questioned wh.en say 15'. to wh.at point on sign, top, bot t om ,middle?' Mr. Minoia advLs ed .top point of sign. Mr. Hunter questioned, ifth.ts would extend beyond height' of b u.LLd Ln.g , Mr. Minoia a dva s ed no, aboutcable roof lev'el' of ba'rn , have not pole height' enough to go over that, itwould be: ,eyelev'el coming down Ch~li. b r.eakLng c r owrr coming towaJ:dexpressway, in front of building looking at it~ go on upward look.

Mr. Hunter quest'ioned could he tell. them what hours it wou'ld be, 'lighted?Mr. Minoia advised' s t.gu would like ,lit all night like flood lights litall night. The. .r'e.a s on for this would be not for advertising, but to light'up parking lot ~o keep from vand~lism. since put flood light's up that isdown to minimum, kids coming in there at night' raising Cain. This isright on edge of parking lot. Hr~ Hunter ques'z Lo ned , so then would beadditional to wh.atis ,in parking lot? Mr. Minoia advised yes.' Mr. Hunterque s cLcn e d is it' n e c'e s sa'r-y then from t.lra t; e tra.nd p o Ln t ? Mr'. Mimia 'advisedadvantage to it" lighting up, this was 'requested' by .sheriff '.s Departmentto light it up, to stop vandalism, this is wh,y' flood light's. put up hereye'ar ago, would turn on whe'n' turn flood lights 'on. when go home at 6 :00.•.Mr. Hunter questioned, then it say through 'night'? Mr. Hinoia advised' to8tOO, '.A.M. They are lit 'on seven .day basis and wo'uLd be on seven daybasi's same 'as flood 'light's. For that pur'pose; sign does 'givelot oflight to prevent v~ndaiism, to avoid having to ~ven put i~ more top r eve n.t; what little b Lt have now, s u g g e st ed' by Sheriff's' Department.Mr. Hunter questioned wouLd not o b jec t; to. lights, 'as 'su'ch poss·ibl'.y, b u.t;sign, so' if took away c ons Ld e r a t Lon for lighting p a r k Lng lot and workedas advertising b u.s Lne ssy wh.a t h ou r s wo'uld' he' need ? Mr'. Minoia a dvLs edgo b y Board' srecommendatLon. If say have 'to be: shut 'off at certa.intime wo.uld have 'to, put timer' on it, lea·ve.it'up to Board.

Mr. Fingar inquired' wh.a t; 'ab ou t; lfueelhcirse' 'sign now, ,will that comedown.? Mr. Minoia advised' it wo:u1d, this 'is' not f e a's Lb Le; this' issomething put .up Elometime 'ago, bu.t ,does have flood light on it, asknow, but does not really sh ow up , this is 'S tand a r d Whee'lho'rse signand it was one that does' not show on t he r'e . Mr. Fingar questioned' nochance of a n.y b o.d y p u ctLng b u.f Ld Ln g on si'de? Mr. Minoia advised' no, own.edby St'ate,one ~id~ bi Niagara Mohawk, other bi State and then Ch~li

Avenue. Mrs'.' Tanger que s cLone d his 'p r o p e zt.y actually Niagara Mohawk?Mr. Minoia advLs ed' no, b o.und e d by them'. so' in other words,' no wa:y anyone could build around them. Hrs. Tanger quest'ioned this 'sign directlyin front 'of b ud Ld Lri g j Mr. Min·oia advised' directly in front, wherewhite fence and pa~king lot, tel~phone iole right next to it. Mr .Palermo que s t Lo ned poLe 'for driveway? Mr. Minoia advised t.eLepho n epole,' should have flood Ldgh t. on that one. Last year $2,,00,0" worth ofmerc~andise ~andalism in one riight, since put flood lights up, lessthan $500., this 'is why these light's, had to start putting in to. stopthis. hurts him, b u.t, this has b e'e.n suggested by Sheriff's Dep'a r tmen tand advi.sed why and wh.at Dep'artment want, and how .th Ls preven'ted'i.t.Pole is 'direc.tly in front .of barn and flood lights. on it, and heexplained how flood li~hts. lit upbaxn area and fireplace ~ood area,and have' lighfsto. really light place ~p •.

Mr. Hillei, ques tLon e d having dog and Hr. Minoia advised did have dogand advLs e'd' h ow .s om eb o'dy ,tried to come' in window and it d Ld stop them,but .stealing is on outs'ide",he 'is 'insi·de.· Hasse'en, d o g take'disliketo, people, at night' wo,uld not promise "any th Lng , this 'iis why' she' is there.Felt the sign v10uld, heTp situati.on of lighfing'.

On question of Hr. Hunter if anyone' p r e sant 'in favor of or opp o s ed to

this application, no one appea·red.

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DEC'IsrON: Granted for a period of four years, with th. right toreapply, for a renewa'l.' " ,Sign to, be no high.~ than 15' from ground to top of sign.Sign may be; lighted' from 6:00, P.M.' to; 8:00,A.M'., s even .(7)d'ays 'a week.Nature of b us Lnes's and Lo c a't.Lon of property create's 'a uniques d t ua t Lon , The's'e 'factors we,re taken into, cons Lde r a t Lo nin granting this variance.

Veriance iranted with the following vote:,Mr. Hunter no. Mr. Pfenninger yei,' Mrs. Tange~ no,Mr. Palermo yes', Mr. LighthOuse' 'yes, Mr. Fingarno,Mr. Harrington ye$·.·

!f4., Ap p Ld c a t Lon of KennetbEpstei.:n, 11 Morrison. Avenue" for approvalto. erect 14'. x 2.2': garage.(a:tt.ache'd), ,3", from east si:dalot line at11 Morrison Avenue~ D' zOne.

Mr. Epstein appear.ed b e.f o r e the Board. Mr. Hunter'. displayed .ov e r a L'l,map of t h e area 'and asked, him to locate his lot on ,it for him. whichwas done and pointed out wh~ie ~ould be;~utting garage ~p, and wh~ch

lots, surrounding it 1\1'e:re u n d ev'e Lo p e d' right now.' Mr. Hunter questionedhe did not p r e sen t Ly h ave a g a r-a g e ? R'e, wa.s 'advised' no. Mr. Hunterq u e stLone d what 'he p r op o s ed to put up isa little over, one 'c a'r garage?Hr. Bp s t e f'n a dv Ls ed really 1-1/2,., Mr. Hun t er ob se-r've d which 'would takehim 3". from line.' Mr. Fingar questioned h ow b,i.g t h.a lot nex.t 'to him was,wa,s that doubl.e 'lot? Mr. Epstein b e.Ld e.v e.d d oub Le 'lot. but und'ev'eLop ed,overridden with ·we.eds which he 'c u t; d own , b u.t; .o t h e r t han t.ha.t. did notknow their intention. Mr. Fingar asked if he' knew ,who own.s 'th. lot~

Hr. Epstefn a dvLa e'd. not ex'ac t Ly , u s e d to, come 'around couple 'years ago,but not more than once 'a year in last :two ,ye'ars.' Had kind"of farmt.he re , Dis cussLnn had with Mr. F Lng a z and w'hi'ch lot his was.' Mr.Hun t e r. ques tioned t\l'a's hi's lot 'a 50', lot?' Mr. Epstein advise'd yes·.·. Mr'lFingar fel't by'. -Look Lng at it did not thi'nk 'nex,tlotcould be: '100 '., didnot think map was 'right',. Hr. Hunter' did not think it wa.s e Lth er , b u.t;looks at Lea's t; there is one. Mr. Palermo' questLoned wh.i'ch s Ld e thegarage wOllld be. on. Mr. Epstefn p oLn t e'd out the 'side,' it would bee aat side. Mr. Hunter', ,questioned this must mean his p r e s en t house 17 rfrom line? ))ir. Epstei'n advised right. Mr. Hunter, o b ser've d so' mostcould put on with,o'ut va r La nce wo'u'ld be. 7'. Mr. Epstein ag r e ed, right.Mr. Miller' qu e.s't-Loned could he' 'p o s s Lb Ly put garage 'on other side? Mr.Ep s t.e Ln advised no, no dr,ivew'a,y on o t h er. side 'and distance be:tw.e:en hishouse. .and next house,. not .s u r e. wha t; it ,is, it .Ls not more 'than 17', thinksit is ..less'. His ho'use' .ab ou t; ZS:', leaves' 'ab o.u t 10-11'.

I•On question of Mr .. Hun t e r' if any 'one 'p r e s'en t in favor .of or opposed

to, this application. no one ~ppeare~.

Mr. Fingar questioned' if he had a stop pi.obl,em', where '12', wouLd hurt himvs '14,'1 Mr., Ep s t.eLn a dvLs ed h as 'step's, going into, g a r age ,' Mr. Fingarwa:s ·co.ncerned if another house' 'c ome a vf.n there. c h ey allow h Lm 3 ". andthe other 3",. Mr. Epstein felt he 'wo:uld have to rip the' 'steps out.Mr. Fingar questi,oned if it wou l.d not be: 'more .th an tha·1;.', or impossibl',esituati.on? Mr. Epstein advised' three' 'steps 'g o Lng into the:' 'hous e ,. iftake z h.em out. have probleni, did not know that much ab o'u t it,' h'ow ti.edinto. ground. Mr. Hunter', f e L't; h e'Lgh t; 'against him, 'three steps.

DECISION:· " Unanimously, ,gran~ed.

115. Application of Harold Gr,u~e.r',t As soc , Inc •• 272 ,Ale:l\:'a:nder St., forapproval to e rect a reel e s.t a t e 'sign 6' x 4 I,. u n Ld gh t.ed., as pera amp'Le 'attached, at ~roper'ty ,c,n no~thea.~,t' ~o.rn:r O;h Ballantyne'.Road and St,allman Dr:Lve. D z o.n e •. , \':,'..1,:,.,\\""J:v~(jl,d), .

Mr. Grunert appeared, b e.fo r e 'the' Board. a.dvLs e'd has office 'a t. 27:2 .Alexa'nder, Street •. Rea.L Bs.ta t e. Representative. 'for, Ballantyne 'Road, Inc.who own's five parcels of p r op e r.ty, extendLng from no r t lre as tr corner ofStallman Drive and Ballantyn,e Road to Black 'Creek 'in rear. Thi'sapplication is, to permit the e r.ect.Lon .o f a sign 6' x 4', and would sayoverall hei'.gh t 7', moun ted' on two pos ts wi,th 'en:oughclearanc·e. to be.

Zoning Board of Appe~ls ' Octobar 27. 1970

ab o.ve SROW .Lev e L, did not know ,what next ye,a'r, would be like bu.t leave2 "-3 ", of post' b e.L'ow .cLea r anc.e and standard color. whi'te b,a,ckground~nd L,and Lea67'in red and r e s t; of Let tie r'dng in b Lua , Ba s Lc a Ll.y , thatI.S 'exten,t of a t , Presented map s h owdng location wished' to put s Lgn ,wh,ere it would be:' ',erec'ted. Thi's wo'uld besi'gn parallel t.o BallantyneRoad and they want to put it back far'e~oughfrom'road and that isreason have requested a 4' x 6' sign. Mr. Hunte~ questioned if he wouldb e, will:ing to have it e r e c't e d' under', s up e rvLs Lon of Commissioner of Pub Ld,cWorks/Supt. of Highways, 'and Superintendent of BUilding? Mr. Grunerthad no obJection 'to1h,atso'ev'er'. Mr. Hunter, advised' wo'uld just be matter I'of be.i'ng s ur e of traffic s a'fe ty , Mr. Grunert advised his sign workdone by'8ch~umann Signs,' which be: was sure they werefamili~rwith.Mr. Palermo que e.t.Lone d' hO'wfar back from road? Mr. Grunert advisedhe ha.d f o r go t r e n. now~ordina.nce 'of set b a.c k , but would- b evb a c k far enougenot to, be. ',traffic h azazd , That is 'reason for sign si.ze•.too closewo,uld be probl-em. By ~va,y, (If informa:tion, 'he is' 's exvLng his fifteenthyear on Board of Appeals 'and Planning Baird of Bright'on. so knows theirp r ob Lem , Mr. Fingar questioned', he 's a.Ld parallel, so' only see one si'de1Mr. Grunert advise'd yes .. just one side, will not be' V shaped sign. Mr.Fingar questioned what he would do w1,th it in Br:ighton. Mr. Grunerta dvd s ed a f t e r. January 1. 197,2,he would b e. glad to tel'l him. Discussionhad on their wa'ntip.g to; get rid of free' 'standing post si:gns there. justallow %hem on building.

Mr. Mill'er. questioned was that wh.e r e budLd Lng b u.rn t; down.? 'Mr. Gru.nertadvised no. two budLd't.ng s which' 'wer'eeyeso'res which h ava 'since beenremoved. small dweL'La ng in front, that torn down and r-emoved, Otherbu.ilding down ne~r Bauman Drive torn down also. Mr. Hunte~ questionedwas building in tih ati va r-e a' burned. Mr • Lighthouse' advised Fire Departmentprobably burned it d own., Mr. Hunter remarked in behind that bLg concretebLo c k b u.LLdLng , Mr. Grunert 'advise'd tha't was old bu.LLd f.n g , did notknow .any ,fire there. Mr. Hunter' advLs e'd that ivas 'done under firedepartment 'su'peryisiDn. Mrs.' Tanger qu e s t Lo n ed if they own'ad thatconcrete bu.ilding t o o t Mr. Gr'unert 'advise'd' yes. Mrs. Tanger questionelif they plan to take that down eventually? Mr. Grunert, advLs e'd no,that has 'facility for use', bu.t depending on what happens to property.se'e what use' made of it. Thi's entire 'property abu.t s R.G.&E. property.•Mrs. Tanger questioned all this property commercial? Mr. Grunert advisedno, .Lt; is 'D Re sLd e.nt.LaL, b Lo c k btiilding tih e r'e for use 'temporarily. Itis under' var:iance 'for use' granted when it wa.s originally erected. Thatwas 'own.ed by, the 'Cummings Contractors and rea,son' b udLdLn.g so' high 'be.e aus ehad high 'loader's ,the'y u s e'd' that bud.Ld f.ng to service. Mrs.' Tangerquestioned what wo'uld the'y land lease: for in D z on e ;' would have 'to come'for variance for ccmmez'c d a L, Mr. Gruner't did not know. wa'nt to usethis 'property, only want ,(own.er') to land Leas e: 'and will b u.f.Ld , alsowould like 'ze s'po n s Lb Le .ce n an t , so that anything that wi'll be 'd.e.v e Lo p e don property will. pf course:. re~uire ~ar:iance~

On question of Mr. Hunter if any one ~re~ent in favor of or opposedto this application, no one appeared.

DEer,SION: Un.an Lmou s Ly granted for a p e rLo d of one year, with theright to, re~pply £or a re~e~a~. Sign to be ~re~ted

under s u p e r v Ls Lo n of the', Comm , of Publ',ic Works1Supt •of Highwa'ys, and Sup e r Ln t.e nd-an.t; 'of Building. •416; App Ld c a.tLo n of Ronald Ort, 54Sunnys:i'de 'Lane; for approval to'

erect 'a garage and family 'room,. 35.'6" (co r r e c t e d from as Iadvertised as 3~.06') x 2&' incl., 5' from souths~de ~ot lineat 54 ,Sunnys'i'de Lane. E .zone.

Mr. Ort appeared b e.f oia 'th,e, Board and s ubm'Lt ti e d. s k'e tch of what p r o p o s e'dand tape 'location map of p r o p ert y s Mr. Hunter, questioned', if this ~vas 'a combination and Mr .Ort pointed out family room and wi'ndow they wishedto keep. Mr. Hunter questioned 35.. 06," is entire widthZ' Mr. Ort advisedLf.md.ted, 2&' would only be', garage 'and 19', for family room .. front of gariigecoincides with front of ho'useand t h e'n b ack 20:',. Mr. Hun-t er- qu e s.t Lone d'Iv:l.dth 'of garage 'and Mr. art 'advise'd' 24'.. Family room about ll'. Hesubmitted', an' outline of what p r o p e se'd to. do wh~.ch h ad presented' to alln e Lghbo.rs ...h.o looked at it 'and signed' it, ev'eryo,tie in sight 'of his home.On Mr. Hiller's 'suggestion, the date 'of Oc t o'b e.r 27., 1970 was 'added to


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outlinestl'biriit:ted' to, Board de,s',crib1'ng what was waRted and that peopleagreed to it. Add r e s se's. 'aLso. added' after' s Lg na cu r e s;:

,Mr. Hunter, que stLoued i,t thi's was,a corner lot, 'and Mr. Ort 'advised, no,next to, corner. Mr. Hunter' questioned. if they were to, allow t hd.s asp r op o s e'd , what would be: 'distance, be,t'w.e,e'n' new' garage 'and neares't adjoiningb ud.LdLn g ? Hr. Ort 'advised it is ,perhaps 21.16'. Mr. Eun t e r. questioned'if other fellow's 'garage o n same side? Hr. Or,t 'advise'd no, his garageand b r'e e'a'eway on o t h e.r. Side.,' saw no c h a n.c e.vo f 'one, being bu'i;lt in b e.tweeu ,

Mr. Miller questioned, ,why did he, go to this 'dimensi'on and why approximately1/4",1 Hr. Ort advised' they hid a 10-',1/2': from o t her' end of line wh enbu',i.lt those' Iiome s. was 'a percentage ~at time 'of lot side line, so could haveheT.d g', from line 'be.c'aus e 'have '90', lot, but heTd 10-,1/2', so' there isex t ra foot in he,re'.' On que st.f.on of Hr. Hunter', he 'th,i:nks'l/2', or 6"tih o'ugh t. shouLd be' 35.6" be'causethat is more than wh,at 'application states,so on ques trf.on of Mr. Hun t e.r. wante'd' it changed' to read 35,.6" '

On question of Mr., Hunter if anyone 'p r e s'ent; in favor of or opposed' totlJ.,is'applica,tion, no one appeared •

DECISION·: ' Unanimously, granted'.

Mr. Arthur B're nnan of Zabh', ,En,ter:prises'. .app e a r e d. informally be:fore. 't.he Bo a r d with p r e.s'enta t Lo n of proposed' t r-au s f'e r, ter'minal to', be:e r e c.ted at 35,11 Un'Lon Stree'tin .Lndus trrLaL z o.n.e ;' 'It is 'an a Ll.owab Leuse' in th,e:zline., but 'at Mr. Miller' 5 'req.uest he a p p e a red b e.f o r e 'the' ,Board to show them wh~t wa~. planned. Discussion followed.

PAtRICIA D. SLACKSec'z e ra.ry

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MINUTES,ZONlijG BOARD-OF APPEALS

November 24,,. 197,0"

A PubLic Hearing of the Zoning Board of Appe~ls of theT'own of Chili, N.Y. Was held in the Administration Offices: of theTown of Ch.i"li, N.Y.:, 323.5, Chi'li Avenue·, Roche.ster, N.Y., en Novembe.r24, 1970 at 8tOn R.M. The: Hearing was ~a11ed to order by the Chairman,Robert Hunter.

Roll Call was as followst

Prese.nt: Mr. Robert Hunter, ChairmanMrs.' Gertrude ~anger

Mr. John PalermoMr. John' Lightho'use' ,Mr. David FingarMr. Richard Harrington

Ab s.e n t ; Mr. Charles Pfenninger

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Alsa pre~ent: Mr. Daniel L. Miller, Dep~ty ~ow~ AttorneyMr. William Davis. frperintendent of BUilding

Ill. AppLf.c.a u Lon of Joseph Entress, 149, 'Che.rry Road, Rochester, N. Y.for approval to ren'ew, variance granted' for a temporary sign at 'corner. of Paul-Road and Archer' Roa d , s Lg n 5' x 10'" 60', 'fromeach road. E zone.

Mr. Alex' McKay appeared b e f'o r e. 'the Board repres'en ting 30·s e'ph Entress.Adv Ls ed' not much. he could s?-y,· it 'is regular s ubd.Lv Ls Lo n sign thathas beeu there £or three or four years,' unlighted. Just w~nt torenew it; had hoped' by, this time 'tract would be: 'aLr e ady sold' out, butit i.s not. Would like 'it for another' year. On question no oneappeared ~n favor ~f or ~ppos~ng th~s application. .'DEClS,ION: Granted for a p e rLo d of one y e a'r , with.the 'right to'

reapply for a r enewaL, .

#2~ Application of Phyllis Ferraro. 3( We~t Canon Drive, forapproval to Qpe~ate ~ dog kenne~ at 3( Me~t Canon D~ive.

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Mrs.' Ferraro a.p p e a r e d b e.fo r e 'the Board. Advised it is, not to be.operated' as 'a k e nn e L for b r e ed.Lng dogs, just to h a r b ozr third dog.Did not knowre.s't:'rictions when moved into Town. Has two snraLl, dogs,one nine years 'old, o t h e r; puppy, unregistered. One merely wanted tokeep b a.c au s e attached to children, is German Sh e.pb e rd , reg'isteredGei:man Shepherd, that is why notified, to apply t"or k erme L permitfor permiss'ion t ovkee'p this 'dog. The third dog is German Sh e pherd ,puppy b o.r d e r. collie and first', mixture. of pomer'Landan and small,terrier., s h-e is one wh:o' is oLd e st;, German Shepherd will be: threeand pup eigh t months. Hr. Hunter, ques t'ioned if anyfeniale dogs.' Hrs.'Ferrar-o advised pup will be. Spayed', just out of h e'a t ; other is spayed.({ould not anti.cipate h a'v f.n g any more than th~ee' dogs, including pups •Mr. Hunter, inquired'? Mrs.' Fer,raro advLs e'd' none wh·atsoever. ~r. Hunterinquired' she 's ad d . b o.t h 'dogs will be. spayed? }1rs.' ;Ferraro advised oneis s paye d and pup will b'e.: 'spayed. Hr. Hunte,i Ln qu'Lr e d , in otherwords .. wa.nt three dogs, but wi:ll not b r.ee'd'Z }[rs.' Fer'raro advised yes,wanted to keep Ger'man She'phe'rd and puppy, bu.t she', is to be: s p'aye d ,

Mr. Hunter que a.zLo n e d. wi'll there be'..any noise p r ob Lem from any of dogsas far as.neighb·o,rhood, e Ltihe r. wh.en she was t.h e'r e or not there? Mrs.'Fer'raro advi'sed the'y all do b a.r k and children riding around, on leashin back yard, and with tlI70: o t h sr dogs- n ext to t.h em; and when childrenriding around on b Lke s., Mr. Hunter' questioned wa:ssh'e', 'aware of t hemdoing it 'vhi'le 's he' wa:s 'out 'and wh'ere were 'they t.hen?, Ml;"s. Fer'raroa dv La ed' usU'a-ll,y t.h e'n dog contained in garage, if working from 11 :00.-'2:,00, .t.h e n on chain, o t h er than that in garage and other two are too.:Hr. Fingar que s t Lon e d if sheown,ed' t.h a't; fenced' in lot .nex t; to her?She advised.no. Hr. Fingar quesfioned the ages of the dogs ~gain andMrs.' Fer.raro advised o Ld e st dog 8-1/2"';',9 y ea r s 'old,German 'S11epherd

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COUNTY OF MONROE,

WTY OF ROCHESTE:R.

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November 17, 1970

Eleanor E. Williams··,· ·••-. ·· · ··1 · .,. "'", being duly sworn, deposes and say



and that a notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, was published In

the said paper on the following dates :

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r-·-- Legal NoticeZONL"lO BOARD OF APJ>.EALS

. Chill, N.Y.NOl'fce 1$ HEREBY GIVEN that

tll~r.: win en: a publj-,; !t.ca£jn!l of Cltill....dm1l1Jstra:lol1 Office. .3135 Chili Ave-nue, R<Jc1Jester. N.Y. ]4624 on Nowvember 24, 1970" at 8:00 P.M. to con.~i(kr Il1e faflowirlg :tp::>lir::ations~ -I AprUeat:<;lJl ..,f joseph Etllre'$, 1~9

Cllerry ROad, Ro~lte>!er. N.Y. II)rap'p!l:l~n r to renew varianee Jlro.Jlt~Qror a (I'IT! "om!'')" ~ign :tI: corner (}tPa.tJ:: ROM .a.,d Mhe! Road, signS'xH~', 6(1' from eae.iJ road. E: zone,

. We$t Ca.rlon Drive, fOT appr<:n'~l 102 Apl"rjc-atloll or PJr~lli. Ferrara. 34

.gpemle a do,;: l:e.nael at 34 WebtC~l'lorr Dri V~, .E zone,

~ lIppli<:ation of Mill)' E. Mit!er, 7SAr~er Road. for apl'fOliaJ 1){ anadvettr5itlf: silln, .\Il"prox. J'xI:l' lilaIarge r lhl;llo ~ ~q, fl.) located u~n;aTqui~e Dr PJa211. at 33U <:l1jIJ A".enue, I':;crll!le[ i111<; similar to Nortot1C;1';!I:l SiJ::l rea.dJllg "MARY E:LIl,:.ABETH F'\BRrCS" in B ~Onl!,

Ai! Intere.sled parties 31~ tCqtlesto:r! rebe r>eSCI:Il. B)' Ord¢r ell' II1\!: Chab~anof tllO: Zlmtl1" Ftoard of Appca~ of uieTown of CI1HT, :-J.Y. . .

ROB!RT HUNTER,Cl1airlbM."DJ,.-.-l\"(ly. j'i-.-l~ ~

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comrn!$ion £'lCp;r~M'M'ch 30. 19l1

Zoning Board of Appeals November, 24" 1970

Mr. Pergl, ,15 Watch, 'Hill Drive 'tes'p'ects 'lady having dogs 's'p'aye d , bu.t;what h app e n s if does not b e, 's p'ayed, and allowi'ng for t h r'ee ,' suddenlyeight' more? Mr. Hunter advised they are allowed' to have puppies, upto certain age, six zaon t h s., Mr. Pe zgL inquired', at end of that sixmonths, would have to come before 'Board again? Mr'., Hunter' advised ifwishe'd to ret'a.in those' 'd og s , '

is three',' pup seven, mon tih a.;' Mr. Palermo questioned washer propertye n c Lo s ed ? Mrs.' Ferraro advised' no, just pu r ch as ed it, moved inSeptember, would like to fence ~t. but just getting settled now.

On qu e s cLon of Mr. Hunter if any 'one p r e.s ent had any questions on this,or if anyone 'p'r e s'ent i.n favor of thi's 'ap p Ld.c a c Le n or opposed, Mr.Richard Sickles" ·37 West' Canen Drive 'Ln quLre d if' they do get thisapproved, can the'y get more dogs 'on this kennel license'? Mr. Hu·nter.a dvLs ed application s pe cd f Les' for three dogs, if granted' lvould be. Igranted on that basis. MIs. Ferraro adv Ls e d just' applying for one onthe 'license.

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Hr. Baron, 47 Eve rgz e e n Drive que st.Lon e d jus't m.ade 's t a t emen.t , have toh a'v e Ld c eu's e for three or more dogs. Mr. Hunter, advised' have kennelif three' 'or more. Mr. Baron q ue.s t Lone d do they now have kennel' license'?Mrs. Ferraro a.dv Le ed no. tha'tis why' ap'plying, just wa:nted to keep theone. to make it legal having three dogs.' Mr. Hunte:r a dvLs ed she' justlearned they .r e quLr e t.h a.t; kennel' license.

Mr. Hunter questioned if anyone wished to. speak in favor of thisapplication. No one appeared. He questioned if any one ~pposed tothis 'ap p Ldc a.t a on ,

Mr. Heffel'. 11 Watch Hill Drive 'advised he 'owned' fe'u'ced' in p r o per'r y ,He was, 'raising que etLon of s , not why wants kennel Lf.cen's e , but whatcan happen if gets, it, wi'thout p e r'maneut; res:trictions, ,or temporary Ilicense',' or what feel, can' d.s s u e, Going b a.c k' to oLd .t.hLng , have h e'a.r dhim say t h f.s b e'f'o r e ;' r h e or e tLca L'l.y by' issu'lng kennel' license', orrest;ricti'ons 'on kennel' lic en's e, you a'r e x e a'o.nd n g from Eta' B',- openingof door for other variances 'coming into, E resi.den,tial like c ommer c LaLvencu r e s. like b e.au t y s ho'p s , nursing homes 'a n d he' has 'be.e'n fighting thisfor a loni time.' Once this h~ppen~ ~rbperty deteriorates and are~,

then v a Lue of homes' 'go 'down,. They have h ear d th1s 'all b e.fo r a ,. had tob z.Ln g it up, and whi:le on hi's ·fee't, wa'nts to thank .vh,o'ever', r e s'pcns Lb Lefor new MR Zoning Code which he started fighting five years ago andwants' to, thank who',ever is -resp'ons ia-l,e., This is "firs t opportunitynec,ess'i·ta'ted' reading this b c'o k , bu',ton this 'application, 'call a t t antLo nto, zoning code; k.e e'p' in mind Section 19-,92,. hi's 'old s trandby, do not seeho,~they ,can' 'granttnis variance. Mr. Hunter commented, did not be.Iievefair to say ,if this were 'to be, granted' that it 'is- 'in e ff e c.t; rezoningto a B o x any' other zo.ne.· Th:L:s'is in area: rea'lly" license' 'o r; specialpermit to do something, rather' t.han z e queet for variance, 'in zoningLaws ;: Mr. Ee ff e r. co~m'ented' he' 'was no lawyer, just' "average layman.has tn try to inte~pret code as h~~eads ~t.

Mr. Sae va , 13 'Watch Hill Drive wO.1ild just like to, b r.Lng out point. b e.en.'there 'five years, not .any -Long e r' t h an these: people, all of s ud-d an •feel, 'looks 'at' b.ous e's ·around' that 'area,' and range f-r om "$35,000:-,$50,.000if in, that c a t e'g'o r y , 'do not really wa'nt to. Loo k 'out back door 'and seekennel. This wo,uld be, in his b a.e k yar d , This 'is way he feel's .. -no t;speaking for eve'ryone Iier'e ;' feel's ·thef have 'same' a t t Ltu'd e ,. i\Tants Ito. b r.Lng this 'point up. '

Hrs.' Schifano, 40 ,West Canon Drive wo:ul'd not l.ike 'to, Se'S, ,it h e r.s e Lf,looking in back yard, and s ee.ttha.t; here. They have 'be.au t Lfu Lproperty' 'and like say, $35,,00.0,";:$5.0''-0,00. and take c az e of p r o p e rt.y , allof the_, .nd would not'be ~retty picture; no ,bushes, no hedges aroundthei'r pr oper t y , ,ev'er·yo-netakes. 'care .o f own' lawn b e.au t Lf u Ll.y , She,objects, 'to, k en'n.e L, yard is not hig enough, th'ereareno, hedges" theyhave all beautiful backyards,' open; .and ever'yone ':takes', b e.au tt Lf u L careof p r o p e rt y , 'sh'e' 'is 'two' doors down, and h er. p r o p e rty ,is 'l:e:1.utiful. andalso e v e r'yone .eL'a e' 'along with.the'm, and take 'care, of the'i'r .p r o p e r t y ,wo.uld not want to go into back ya,rd and see, .nhf's , Mrs. Tanger'

Zoning Boar d of Ap p e a.Ls Novembe,r, 24, 1970

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commented she ~va.s "ordy 'asking to, keep what h as ," people 'would see wha:tthey ,see now., Mrs."Schifano went on, more 'too, 'not dogs .. but oldtires,. basket' in f r on tvo f house', b oa r d s , that is 'disgoracing the'ir'property, thai is not pretty picture.' Mr. Hunter c~mment~d, that isnot for this 'a p p Lf.c a t Lon , Mrs. Schifano ob e.e z v e d' she wo.rksall day,suppose dogs not taken care of, it is me's's, maybe kerinel ~vi,ll not beclean, then wh'at about their $5.0,000,.', home?

Mr. Baron, 47 Evergreen guessed obJect to, it on grounds 'area in backyards 'all open, there are 'lot of youngsters in n e.Lghb o.r h ood andconcentration of large number of dogs, kids running through b a.c k yard,childreri get bit by dogs;' will excitedpgi and so~e ~ire consequences,'coupled with 'fact Ln t en't Lo ns 'to, fim',ce 'and have 'dogs 'spayed, what willbe urrLes s stipulated, say 'actually 'goes ,through with these', meaninglessout in b ack y a-r d , st'ill open', if notien'ce 'Gex'ma:q. Sh aph e.r'd could notjump over, ,could all but highest of f e.n'c e sj and c o n s eque n.c e of dog shaving pupies,' have to liv~ ~ith 'th6se, and say ~nte~d t~ have dogs payed , wh,atif Board cons Ld e r a 'favorably" your stipulatj;.on include factthese' people a c t uaLl.y 'go through and follow 'through, what say intendto, ierice in property r aa'L wel'l to, insure 'th,ey do not get .ou t; 'and also'to have these dogs taken care of so no puppie~ to co~te~d with.Inte~ti~ns just not iood enough eith~r, liabla 't~ be couple-th~ee

years to get that ferice Ln and they sho~ld ndt have to fende in their'sbecause' p z op c s a'L favorably taken by: Board. '

Mr. Palermo questioned Mrs. Ferraro, she, s tra t e s 'going to fence yardin, ~vants, permit" license'£or three 'dogs 'in it. right'? Mrs. Ferraroadvised yes. Mr. Palermo questioned did she an t LcLp a t.e putting runsin for thes',e'dogs?' Mrs;' Ferraro advLs ed' no, ab s'oLu t eLy not,: nothinglike k17nnel', .Lt; wa,s jus,t'for'pe~mission t o.je ep' t hze e' d o g a ;: that wa.s it.

Mr. Truli, 39 Weliit Canon Dr:I:ve 'advised last year he got rid of pure, 'b re dGerman Sh e'ph e.rd b e.c.aus e their yard was too small, so was 'afraid keepingit on 'lea'sh'would be,mea'n and dangerous 'for chdLd r-an and n e Lghb o.r s , Th~

f a c t the. .canrio t; seem to und e'r's t-and here 'is, if her yard b Lg enough toh o.Ld three dogs 'and ,ghat she is going to do ab o'u t; exe~cising thosedogs.' Has she considered fact not e no ugh 'area for dogs 'to do theirnormal bus Lnes's;' made me s svou t; 'of the'ir ya,r,d;. and t.h LrikLn g of two other'kind of nuisances, not o nLy for her b u.t; neighbo:rs, dogs may get' loose andmake practice 'of coming into, some 'other ya,rds.. Th,inks 'g.og'rule set' upfor reason and need good reason to set, .Lt; 'aside.' He 'is '~pposed to itunless' 'get .ze a s on ab Le 'a s s u'r a.n c e dogs st'ayin h er' y ar d and not wind upwith 'sanita'tion and odor probl:em.' ,

Mr. Pergl wished' to, make s t a t emen t; , wo,uld charge Board "to, take long hardlook at d o g ordinance 'that exists, ,it .f.s 'obv:iouslyin an exc'lllsive;,resi'dentHl1"area', ther'e .s'ho'uLd be:nelv' :se'ctionildded, c on s Ld e r ad' fordog o r d'Ln anc e ," ,limit amount of dogs 'in h LghLy 'res'i'den'ti'al area limitingit t'o' 3:, Something more, two, old dogs 'alrea'dy in violation 'of '5-10 'not baing kept on leash, thei 'are wandering, ,two, of her' dogs, one 'ofdogs now being s t-aked' out. Feel there is 'a violatinn of 5-5 ofDog Ordinance. which is b a.rk Ln g dogs. This 'dog does b a.r k and in his b o.ok ,d'efinitel'y'disturbi:ng. Wou1.d also charge 'Board' to' take ,considerationthese' yards 'are really not large" h ou s es ver'y cLo s e ' proximinity to eachother and should b e, 'cons Ld e r ed by, Board in this 'cas e is really numb e'r. ofdogs existing in this 'area, n e x t; neighbor' has two, dogs, next neighborhasdqg, he. has 'dog, .oth~r' lade 'two, already ,in this 'immediate areanumerous 'do'gs.' His 'own personal, concern is ,the' no ise 'Lav'eL in t h.Lsn e Lg'hb o.xho o d , Rd.gh t; n ow Section 5-5 'of Dog Ordinance,' is to suchp.oLn t; he 'is se-riolisly c o n s Ld e rLng seTling his house, driving him rightup a tree. He' is def'initelyopposed' to it.

Mrs.' Oschmann, 43, 'Eve r g r e e n. Drive .c armo t; add too mu c h.;' lives directlyhehind and does, no't care 'to, see' he)::' dog e t'ake'd out 'all day", s e en' itgo in once, in awhfle; and as 'far as b a.rkf.ng , cannot say ,any more thanany 'Dne ~l'se's. ~ut does, not particularly want to see ~hat large ~ dogin the, 'area when her children' out in back playing', If ball gets 'toonear, dog c omes, 'out on lea'sh; tied up, but scared going to end ofproperty, line to get b a'L'l, ba,ck" Does not know if he 'will do anything,but do not wish'to find out. Agrees with 'wh'at ev e ry one 'else s aLd ,speaking of German Shepherd.

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Mr. Young, 41 West' Canon Drive ,agrees, with Mr. Truli hi~ neighbo,r,respects 'fact, had his 'dog and thinks point t.hat; room area of the, yardis far too s nra Ll, for more than two: dogs.es'p'ec:i..'ally dogs 'of th~s size.,some have smaller dogs,' and t.h Lnk s. when confined: anLma L of this size.if do not, get' proper, ex'e'rcise ' does not, wo.r k out.

~fr. Hunter, qu e a trf.o n e d Mrs.' Ferraro 'if she had anything to say in Ir ebu t t a.I to this. Mrs.' Ferraro advised from fee'lingsright now,she ~07ould a s L for extension to find h ome 'for one of dogs. Mr. Miller eadvised her it was not in province 'of this, Board. thi,'s will h a'v e to be,Ln dLs c'r e t Lo n of dog warden. Mr. Hunter' advised her ahe will have to,take whatever a c tid.o n as 'se:e'ms wi,s'e' to her after' action of Board.

Mr. Lighthouse' inquired wh.at the size of the lots, were. Mrs.' Ferl::arowas not sure. Mr. Hef'fer' s add in that 'area 95.' x 170', plus '18' toeasement. Mr. Davis advised' 15,00,0, .s q , ft.

No one further a p p e.a'r Lng , the hearing was 'c Lo s ed ,

DECI,SIGN: Unanimously denied:.

113", ,Application of May E. Miller'" 78 "Arche,r Road, for approval of anadvertisingsi'gn. ap p r ox ,: 3", x 12", (no larger', than 48, s q, f t; )located on marquise' .of Plaza at 33',13 ',Chili. Avenue, parallel andsimilar to Norton Cadet' Sign, z e a'd Ln g "MARY ELIZABETH FABRICS"in B zone. '

Mrs.' Miller appeared, b e.f'o r e ",the' 'Board, advised' she 'res'i'des, at 78Archer Ro.a d , Was opening reEail f ab r.Lc s tro r e 'a t ~3,I3 ',Chili Avenue ..,commonly kriown a s Naum I s , Plaza. ' For th,e' 're coc d , her', husb ari , DanielMiller' sitting h e r e ;' thi's 'is 'in compliance wi:th 'General MunicipalCorporation Law Section' 809,., Application is for sign 3'" x 12 '" 36s q , ft., to be, .p Lac e d' on marquise', Store '114,: 350', south of Chili IAvenue. Sign to be' "light'ed, only -du r Ln.g business' hou r s , b Lack on'White, heading MARY EI;IZABETH FABRICS. Same' 'angle 'as -Norton Ca,de\:Sign, whi'ch 'is "3 r','x '18' and 54 .s q, ft.' She' 'subni,itted' a rendition ofsign similar. to, it, and ren'dition show Lng the'ty'pe of letter'ing itwould b e', It' w~ll sit, 'at same angle 'as 'Norton, Cadet ,Sign, ands ubmd t t e d s c'aLe 'model'. s h ow Ln.g ho'w it would appear and at what angle.Mr. Miller a dv Ls e'd' they would l:i.ke it at disc'retion .o f man who, "erects it" so that it ~07ill be:se'en.,- Mt:. Hunte,r', inquired t.h e size',of the Norton sign and wa:s .adv Ls ed' 3 ", X 18'. Mr. Palermo ques'ti'onedthe lmrs 'of ope'ration and wa's 'a.dv Ls e'd' La t e e't; store 'opened 9 at night.Mrs. Tang e r' q uestLoned if this will b e,ligh te d • Mrs. Miller adv isednot Lmme d La t.eLy , but e v e n t u'aLly would like to, have 'amaLL spot .on sign.Mr. Hunter inquired' then what h ou r s would s Lgn be 'Ld.gh t'ed'? Mrs. 'Miller', s.dv Ls ed during business ho'ur e ;' 11:00,:":5:00, .s ome t Lme s and onenight' a w e'e'k 11:90,";,9:00., 9:.00 ',would be, 'La t e s.t, Mr. Hunter inquiredif it would be. lit 'on Sunday. Mrs .. Miller advised no, jas't six days,one nigh t to 9 :00,: Mr. Davis 'inquired' what did they mean no larger't han 48 sq. it., Asking for 3 ',', x12 ',. Mr. Miller advised, asking for3 r x 12'" ~gnore ~he AS sq. ft. Mrs,.' Tange~ inqu~red not lit when storeis not in op~ration?' ~irs.' Miller, advised yes.' 'Mr. Hunter' inquiredif find dif(icult to see, .b eh'f'nd Norton Cadet Sign, wi'll t h ey ask to, -move' it un d e xn.e.at h f Hrs.' Mil-l'er' advised' no, thinks it will b,e:see'n. ,.She .adv Ls ed' Mr. DeCroce,does not have right' to Naum .s Lgn , buteventually he' 'plans 'on' put,ting up sign that wi:ll list: s t o r a s.vt.n vh Ls Iplaza and she 'would like to be', ',abl',e'to, put h ers 'as part .of that.Would plan to, r e.tadn this 's L'g n as wall as -t h a t; one.

On question of Hr. Hunter if' any o n.e 'p r asent in favor of o r; oPJ?osedto, this 'application, no one appeared.

DEC,IS,IO,N:" Unanimously granted for 3' x 1'2': sign ~or a p e rLo d ofo ne .ye'ar, :wi.th 'the righ t,to reapply for a J:'enewal.

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A Spec~al Public Hea~ing of the Zoning Boartl ofAppe~ls ofthe Town of Chi·li•.N. Y. was 'heTd in ·the Adminis'tration Offices of ·theTow.n of Chili, N.Y -. 3235. Chili Avenue, Ro ch e s c e r., N. Y. on December 3;19 7.0.a t; if. ~:3-(}, ·.P.M. . Th.e. Hea'ring wa's 'called: to order. by 'the '.ChairmanRo b ezt 'Runte'r.. '

Roll Ca.ll was 'as ··follows.:'

P'r e s ent e. Mr. Rob e.r t Hunter', Cha'irmanMr. CharLea pfenning·er'.·Mrs. Ger'tIlJie Tanger.Mr. John R. Pal~rmoMr; John' L:i:ghtho'use'Mr •.David FingarMr. Rd.chard Harrington

Also' present:

Mr. Daniel L. Miller, Dep'u t y. Town. Attorney,

1f1. Application of J.' & 'J •. Ti.re 'Sales';' Inc., 123: '.30·seph Avenue,Rc che's.t.e z .•. N.Y. for approval '.of a variance z o. er'ee't 'a bu.ildingwh'i'ch 'e:g;'ceetl'sthe 'sq:uare 'footage of bUildi.ng a Ll.owed' in AIndustrial z one ," ,Also' to er'ecta sign on sa'id bu.ILd Lng ,Building located at .1141 Scottsville Road, Ro.ch e s t.e'z , N.Y •.

Mr. Gerald Wass:ermen., Se c z e taz y o£ J. & 'J •. Tire Sa Le s.;: Inc., a p p e ax e db e.f'o r e.i.th e 'Board on b eha'Lf of applicant, ,for variance ·.to. constructaddLtLon to e~dst'i'ng bu:ilding at 1141. Sco..tts:\I"ill·e Road , Proposed toput up the additi'on according to, this.map (wh.i.ch ·wa·ssubm.itted· andstudied' by', ·Board)· .of '100' x·20:0'. to exLs tLng bu.ilding which in ef'fe:C:tgives total bu:ilding of 3·0.,000 .squ.a r e. 'fee't for t.h e'<Loc a t Lo n on areaof 68',000. .s qua r e '£ee't', occupying 37-'1/--2% of land area' with 'budLdLn g ,·Presently,· under urban removal' in Ci'ty" o c.cup y :JT..OO.O.sq·.··ft. Lookinginto. building a b o'u t; same bu'ilding or little 'Le s-s , s'o: n e e'd this muchs p'a c e , . Int'en'd 'to improve by. r'e~odel'ling front in f'u t.ur e ;' FeeT willnot .e r e a t-e' '.traff.ic p r ob Lem, inasmuch 'as at e a' c on s trru c t Lng in r e a'r ,wi.ll be: 'wareh'o'usl?C only ·and will not 'make any more tr'affic to area •Ba s Lca.l.Ly c .this cis wh'at; p r ob Lem is.' Mr' •. Hun t e.r ques.tLo ued, maybe, hecould heTp h Lm , was 'down. there 'tonight', c on f u s ed. 'as ·to ju.st whe r'e pro-perty ·is, could he 'Lo ca t e, 'iton Sc·o.ttsvill'e Ro.a'd t . He. was 'advise'd' itwas right ne:g;·t·to Web'aco Oil, jus't joTes-t· of loTeb·.a.co. Oil Company. wh'i'ch 'isadj-a'ceritto -Lo o p coming into. Sc·o.t.tsville Roa d , Mr. Hunter'. q ue s.t.Lo n e.dio/'ebaco, .then vacant 'ho'use'?, Mr. Hass·e·rmen·. a dv Ls e'd' vacant h o'u s e own e'd by:Web'aco and t h.ey' war·e. 'in bU:ilding right' next .t o vacant h oua e ;' B.I.M.Trucking in -t.h e re now.' rTould ·like. to. construct'si'gIl on front of btiilding,exac t dLmen'eLcna 'did not h av e avadLab Le 'as yet'. Sign: is as 'on plans 'and' .no other' st.gn at .thi's ·time.' o n que'st.Lon of Mr •.Palermo advised plasti.cletters with illumination •

Mr. Hunte'X' questLoned, he h as -indicated he 'f e e'L'a , "b a.s ed. on presentb us Lne.ss, that they n e e'd' this amount: of space jv o r app r ox fma t e Ly this,and 'th'erefoi'e 'e:iisting b u Ll. dLn'g not bi..g enough" do 'they'cla'im anyhardship to. th:l.'s 'par'ticular piec'e: of p r o pert.y -Ln relat..ionsh·ip to, thisapplication, is ·ther.e, anything .ab ou t; .thi:sproperty which will not allowit. to. be. 'u s.e.d in manner' pres'C'ribed' by'. our Co d e ?' Mr. Wass'e'rmen advisedother. thant:i'ied' to. obt.a:in land to. comply, bU:t surrounded:.. b y. MonroeCounty -pr o p e r t y and on side by: -r Lg'h t; of wa:y, ,going to, red' lighting areafor 'airport .a r e a' and .Webi.co. on other s Lde ,". they' have 'aLre a'dy n e g'o t.La t edand tried to. b uy t s ome 'from ·the'ni and they have 'not b e'e'n interes'ted' ins eLl.Ln g , 'Rave not b e.en ab Le to ob t.aLn enough 'land area' to, comply.

Mrs.' Tanger studying' plan que atrd.on e d is this to' b e, driveway '<rnd ~lTi:ll itbe. 'b La c k t op . and front area', -:wi'li be. b La ck t.o p ? Hr. Was s'e rman, adv:l.se·dwi:ll be b La'ck to'pp e d, .sh·iubb,e:d· and. front 'of off.ice. area wi:ll be'. grass',se.eded and sh r ubb.e.d ,

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'"()Ilsid~t Ute {o!Jow!ng applkatlon::ltLAPPJic.a.tioJt .oi J. J. 'nre Satl:SInc., !21 Io~ph. Avenue, Rceb'SlCt.N. Y. for approval Qf a ..ariance to<.'E"ct -Ie bl'l1d.1iJll: ....hkh exceeds e:.c-sgu"re footage of b ~;ldmll aIlOwe-d In l!A lnd\lstriaJ' .zone, :&I~o to -er&t a .,Sign on said "bwldil18. . . ,;$

All hllcresCC.;l.pll.rtiC8 are kqll~d,~O ,.he-. pre~ •BoY Ofdcr ot (he Chau.man of .l:;'e. zonmg: Board of Appealsof lbe TO\T1l of Cbili, N.Y. -,

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Mr. Lighth·Ouse' .Ln qu Lre d if any ·outsj:de s tcaag e., Mr. Wass'ermen' a dv Ls edno thing> everytbing will b~:s,t·ored ins,i'dE\. Mrs.' Tanger:, questLoned ,no refuse 'or: anyt-hing'l Mr. Wasge'rmen a dvLe e'd' nap t.h.a t; is anotherreason, wh.y n e e d Lns Ld a s pace; Mrs.: Tanger qu e s trLoned strictly tires'l'Mr. Was s'ermen a dvLs e'd. yes.- .all do is. 'tires' .. n o t.hd.n g el's e: me chandc a L,Mr..• Paler'mo qu e s t-Lone.d. ,primarily, just t Lz e s' .. come' in and bu'y who:les'a'le'lMr., Wass'enen a dvLs ed. combination s a.l e s' 'and d:i.str~b,u,tion.·

Mr. Wass'e'rmen advised' on Mr. Pfen·ninger.'s, 'ques't'ion, the' area in fr:ontand along s~de ~f b~ilding and in r~ar for: parking. It was pointedout on the, plan to' Mr. Pfenninger. Pointed out wh.eredriveway andarea for parking - t og e tih.er' with 'another. area wh,ere. can park. Donot have many c·a,rs.- 'only employ 8-10,peo.ple 'at this place. SeL'l,Go.odyear, DaL't a and Rein·old Tires'.' Mr. Hunt e r. que·s't·ioned ho'w muchp a r k Ln g anticipate. ue.e'd., h ow abo:utcustomer parking, :what maximumcars -required'. Mr. Wass·ermen fel't n ev'e r. h ave mo re 'than 3";,4 .c ar s ata time bec'ause' get' tihem' in and out fast. Mr. Hunter' quest'ioned 3":'4plus 6:..08 etwon: peo'p Le -may drive? Mr. Wass·eT·men a dvLs ed ye·s··.· Mr, Hun t.er.questioned h ow .ab on t z r uck 'loading and unloading? Mr. Wass·e·nen advisedrear. loading dock in r e ar , ha·vetwo. ove'rh e ad doors which 'will' be. 'onth:Ls, 'si'de 'o f exLs tLng building, .one 'at this side" p Laced in h e'r'e 'forinsi'de 'and another, rea'r overhead door for truck .Loa d Lng at rear ofbuilding (using p Lan s ); Mr. Pf e nndnger' inqu,ir:ed' wh:o'l~s'ale 'tire place?Mr., Wass'e·r·man·. a dvLs e'd' wh:o~es·aleand retail. b o.cb ,' Mr. Pfenninger in.quired'retail out front? Mr. Wass"e:rme'n .advLs e'd r.ight. 3 .b ays- ·in front

Mr. Fingal,' quest.Loned h ow large,si'gn Le trers ,': what will be:.s:r::.lq:are footageor sign basi·c'ally•.. Mr. Wasser'men: .a d v Lsre'd' he wd:uld say ·proQab,l:y' be: '6 t, high;b ud.LdLn g 25' high.' 'Mr. Paler'mo q ue s.t Lon.ed' p e o'p Le ·occupying it right now?·Mr. Wass·e:r:IDen a dvLs ed' occupied' by'. :B. I.M. Trucking Co. and 'they, are inoperarionp re~air large ~ehiclss_' Mr. Fingar.figured. if building. lOa,'.sign 40' .• ,240, .s q, ft" and' they ·like' '36., ,do n ot; even:. like. 36. sq. ft. IDo they' ,feel, it. has 'to. be: .th'a.t big? J:.lr. Wass·ermen· advLs e'd no, willcomply with 'Board's. Tequ:est' as 'far as 's f.g n concerned, in br:ief. just'some .ide.n.tificati·.on, it 1vi'11 not be: .on r-oo f , face, 'of b ud.Ld Lng , .attached·to face. of building. He. wa·s, 'que.st Ltrne d Mans'a'rd r;yp~ r oo f ? Mr. Wass'enenadvis e'd So f.e t;..- jY.rr, Hun z e r. qu e strf.o n e d' h o'sr :visu·ali·zelight'ing .i t 'I ..Mr.Wass"e-rmen.advise·d' not .external,inte.r·nally -some wg..y'- would like toilluminate, ·,it. Ques'z'Lone d their p z e fe re.n'ce ," Mr. Hun ter', .advLs e'd try tolook to. desi'gns:les.'s ·annoyingto. ne t.ghb'o.rLng p r o p e z-t.y., inter:'nally ·lighted,s f.gn p r e fe z'r e d, Mr. Fingar' wonder·e'd·ho'w :wQuld light ea,ch,'letter? , Mrs.'Tanger. c omme-n.t;e d' like 'FQODLAND. Mr. L.ight·ho·use· LnquLr-ed' h ow b.'Lg facing?Mr. Wasse'rmen a dvds ed' thi'nking in t e r-ma 'of 10 '., woill·d like. to br:iI).gdownhei.ght .o.f b u.Ll.d Lng •.,stlaight. 25:', wi.thno b r.e a k , .,lowe"r. it .by putt'ing Sofet.up, Wou.,ld, do. front probabl.yin, spring, teri"!.I!1;,right..,q.f occupanc.y ·for sixmon t hs' ·afte·r. c Los e purchase: of propej;·ty.· after<th.at r-erao d e L f,J:ont. Be.starting c oustrru c tLon on r e a'r as ·soon as 'get. p e r'md s sLo n from Town',

Mr, Miller' q u e st.Lon e d ex'ae c dimension of parce1. of land. Mr. Wass·er·menadvis ,:-d, front 13 6.;38.' and d eptih 'o n one's i·de···43,0.'. and other sideapproxi·~

mately 45.2 ':. Th.is. ·is"all' fire, 'proof ma teJ:'ial 12 1f" bLock, ,firep'roof, steeTdoors 'and firep':roof .wa:lk out .doors.·

Mr. Hunter', ad'llise'd he, had just se:~:n comm.el1ts frotp. Monroe County .Plannin.Coun cil an d questi·oned' if Mr. Was s·erilLen·, 'had see'n·..i t. He ha'd no.t. Mr.Hunter advise'd the'y"cou.ld get·.him a copy, he' 'might be. ·inter:es·t·e,d,.~asi'cal.lys.ugg!'!.S,t~ 'some. 'c'oncer',n forappe~rl?-I).:e,':i.nviaw .of. othe.'.r. btl-ildinl·J.n area and questJ.on and cOl,1c·ern about sJ.gn J.n terms :of IJ.ghts •..hepresumes,inrelati'onsh:i,.p te ,airport. Assumes 'det'er:'mination shouldbe,.:Board T s ,. No. sp·ecial· concerI!- other: tl::ninwhat indic.ate.

Mrs.' Tanger 'lues t:ioned distance £rom, front of ,property.· "She ..w-as 'advisedroughly' ·49,.'. but 'building been, there 'for so,me'time :before. ,zo',ning. Mr.Wasse'J:'men th,o'ugh in. 1949,.

Mr; Hunter· ques't'ioned' the normal oper'ation, Clays :of ,vee·k.. Mr. W<l;ss-ermen,adv~se·d'. 5-:01/2, :days, ·pret.ty ,c.lqse· :to, sched·ulep" 8-5," possibl',y wi't.h 'reta'illoea·tion wh'e'n' do.. "cqnver·t, it .... .open· t.,vq: nights. 'a we:ek until 9:'00;, Mr.Hunter· quest'ioned' as 'far as wh:e'u' s.i'gn wo:uld be'. ·.lit; would it be. hu.s·iness·hours 'or other hours?' Mr. Wass"e·rmeu'. advise'd, put it on clock p have 'it off

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at 10~OO,no point in b u'r n Lng .it .a LL n Lgh t;: Mr. Hun·ter· .questioned notexp e ct vco. have it. on other. half day, Satu.'r:dayor Sunday?· Mr. Wass'e'rmendid not b~lie~e' so',

Mr. Fingarwond'ered wha.·.t hardship to. h av e hiin. come b a.ck , talking abou t;having sign in. f r o n t.: too? . Mr. Hunter' thought might b e, wi'se' to: comeout,' and .Gounty c oncer-n ed ab cu t thi:sas"they .are , . Mr., Fingar commentedsix months' baf:oretaking over' and have 'free'st'anding s Lgn out front,need to Come 'in before ·them. Mr. Wass'e'rmen a.dv Lse'd had artist engage.dt~'give ~end8ring on front of b~ilding, not really decide~ on that.can come ·ba.ckat cha't; time". Mr. Hun·ter..nhou.gh f that would be. 'b e.t t e rfor b'o.ch .o f them•. Mr. Wass'e'imen' advised'. he wo:uld h ave 's pec LfLc a c Lonaas·..to. materials, illumination, sL·ze. ma t.e-rLaLs ;: th'ings ·they wi'll get.more .f r om , Mr,_ Hunter. as ked' if he' wo:u'ld wa'ut tro ame n'd app Ldc a t Lon ,s ays 'erec't' a sign on b u.Ll.d f.n g , . amend application and wh.en do come ·.inmatter. of i.n·formation, save' having to apply" amend it to include signonrbu.LLdLn g .and free' 'standing s Lgn in front?·. Mr. Wasse'r'men wi.shed· to.

Mrs.' Tanger' questLo ned approximat.ely -ho'w many trucks. '~oming' in and' outat one 'time? How 'many -ac c omodat;e ba.ckin t h Ls a r e a, (u.s:i.ng .plan). Mr.,Wasse'rmen advLs e'd judging by amount of tru.cksget' in and' out .right now,wi'th own de1..iver·y.truck· in and out '2 ...3 '.times,·a, day/- ,3/.4. ton pickup and getdeliver'y :of t:i.·res·. 'abo:ut once. every two' we.eks 'in tractor. trailer', o t.hezthan that, just 'pLckup s from customer-.• does' 'not .think traffic will be: .much of. p r ob Lem, Mr. Hunter asked' wha.t kind of customer' ha's. who Le s a'Lecustomers?' ·Mr •. 'Wass'ex'men' adv Lsed' s e r'v Lc e. s tra t.Lo n.s mostly, most of course"d e LLve.z'e d; do not have that many p Lckup a , mostly s enz right out, theyde1.iver· it. .

Mr. Paler'mo questioned, mention three bays in front, that is f or; retail?Mr. Wasser'men advised right. Mr. Mermo ques t Lon e d they s e Ll, t h em' andchange them on cars t.h.ems e.Lve.st Mr. i~assermen advised. have wa'iting roomand three' b a.y s ;' they h.av e 'a'rea ; Mr •.Palermo questido n ed in good day. howmany c az s 'in .ar e a ; in t h e's'e bays?' Mr, ·Wasse:rmen. fel.t if handle 10",1..2 .aday pretty good day,· Knows: ·t·h:i.s, 'during snow 's aas on , day or two duringthat .p e rLo d , may have more, but for most time 'th:tnksif. do 5-10 .very .happy w:i.·th 'tha:t .volume.

Mr. Mille'r' quest'ioned arrangements for em'p Lo ye e a ' parking and customers tparking wh'en wa'iting fo~ sarvice'i Mr'. Wasse'rmen advise:d.. b Lg 25:·x 75 ad-ditional parking off drive to. ba.ck and rea'r area 77 :x 130 .p a r k Lng area.for eniployees:'·to..rear of bu.ilding •.oilt of way, and do not. have to. moveun t Lf night',' Cu.s t.om e r s 'coming in :Ii:r se-rv.ice. plenty. of room in. front,come ':In' and deciaewh:,a.t to. buy go into, bay. quite'a b.Lt; of room. Mr.Pa Le.xmo ·que.~rt:i..oned jog in :respec.t. to dock. 'on si·de"Mr. Wass'ermen explained.dock on si'depass'e'd jog,. 7S·'· from rear_of e x'Ls tLrrg building and door isabou t 100', away so' j o:g wo:uld end at this 'po in t,. us ing plans, then over-h e'a'd door .a t, .this si'de; Mr. PaLexmo questLoned and' then y ou can b r.Lngtruck .Ln the'r'e?' Mr. Wass'e'r'men advLs ed' ye·s·,. can drive it into.. the bu.ilding.Mr, Hunter. questi·.o.ned wi.th 'trucktrailer? Mr. Wass'er'man advised. no, .on loading dock 'smaller', for pLcku'p .ael·iver·y and all trucks 'load inb ud.Ld'Lng, dri.ve 'in, s hu't; door and load in bud LdLng itself. He: pointedout on' plans ho'w tractor trailer wo'u Ld go into, b a.c k , Mr. Hunter thoughtthat 'Ivould be: pretty ·tight', trying to. picturetha.t with parking. Mr.Wass·e·rmen,. felt parking along building would not bother' tr'ailel: t r u c k ,thought' lef·ten·.ough ·:room. architect', s. ·tJ:rinking enough room to. swinga x'cund , Ano t.h e'r. out of ,yay 'area' for p a r k Lng was pointed out,. for peoplepulling in,. for pick _up. EmpLoy e e s. 'can park at rear and customers forservice, can park .Ln, front. Mr, Miller'- ques t'f.one d the, numb e'r of em·ployee·s.•Mr. Wass'e'r.men· a d.v Ls e'd' 10-'.12.., Mr .. Miller'. obs;erved that is ·approximate.l'yten employees cars 'o.utside .0£ trucks 'coming in. Mr. Wass'e-rmen advisedthat .is why figure to: use' rea.r area. Mr. Miller: commente.ll then whentransp·o.rt truck, people 'wi:ll have to. move their vehicles·.. · The 'map wasstudied and plans Bnd discus~ion h~d on Monroe County Open property onside wh·rch. 'is vacant wh·.e:recou;!.d swi.ng around. Mr. Finga-r advised theirtransport ·t.-r.ucks 'coine 'in in Ss ", hav~ ·42....:.44'. and can do it in 55 I andheadvise'd he'w the'ydo it, it is t.ight',. bu:t th.e·y· do .it. Mr. Pfen'ninger'ques ti.oned ho'w many cars they ·think they'. can park on ~vh.o'le 'property?Hr. Hasse'rmen advised' lias not; figured' it out. imagined wi:th 'front, sideand rear,' .room for 30.-,40 cars .' . Figuring in drivew·ay,· have 'an ea'sement on

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area right next to, them wh:ich 'c ons Ls t.s .o f ,10' here and' 20:', (u.sing, map)30", easement that goes', 'all wayba'ck, can use' 'thi's 'r,o,ad to, pull in andif use: this area (u.s Ln g map) h av e 'parking too. Easement of 30,'. t.lra t;has b e.en granted to them by, Monr.oe .co,un,ty, to, use r.o ad , could pull atractor 'trailer' to rear property" could still park 'cars' 'alongside ofb u L'l.d Ln g j. they can u s e.. this 'road, all road area given' .t;o t h em aseasement., jointly to them' a n d Couuty. The easement W<J.S pointed out onthe, .map , Mr. Miller-que:ftione,d', wh,o' granted' e a's emeu t , Mr. Wass'er'men' 1--'--submitted a s nra Ll.e r map and, it wa:s 'sho'wn: on the' ma p , and he adv f.s e'd so'co.uLd pull truck and b.a.ck into' rear o,f p r op a r t y ,and still use-area onside :.£or parking. Repointed- out wh:ere 'e a's em'en t; ends. It is 'all openland, has 'to_ be', 'open' because' of County us,ingit. No f en'ce ,. nothing ...up, there or auy thLn g , CouLd go down, Co,un_ty's, 'roa,d. ..

Mr. Hunter, questioned' wi'll .th,ed'I:, refuse';, .oLd tir.es, 'in p a r t LcuLar fromrffail, b ua Lueaa;: w.ill they- 'bataken off p.r em'Ls'e's 'a.nd d Ls p o s e.d. of?Mr. HasS'e':t'men advise-d' havecontr'act for shfpping back to mills 'andreclaiming them. Mr., Miller', qu e stLoned wh.e r e stored', until then? Mr.l,J'ass'e'rmen' advLs ed Lns Ld e , . Mr.- Run'ter', quest.Loned if 'they anticipateany -ou t a L'd e 'storage?' Mr. Wass'erinen advised 'nothing .a t all.

Mr. PaLe rmo ques-,tioned the railroad batwe:en that building and road.Mr.' vrass"e'rmati, po Ln t e di d t out on map. Spur that comes' 'off on rear ofproperty", goes, 'over to ,Webac 0, and main line 'cms se's 'railroad.

On q u.e.strf.o n of Mi.- Hun t e r. if anyone "pr e s'e'nt; in favor 'of c'r o pposedto this ~pplication, no one ~ppe~red.

DECISION:" Granted, with, "the, following .s.t.LpuLa t Lo n s ~

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All roads ~nd parking area will b~ ~aved.

No __ outdoor storage of ref'useor rae z cba'nd t s e. 'or outside Idisplays, 'of; merchandise'.:Er&c~ion and construction of signs applied for iscontingent upon submission o f final plans 'and s k'e tchof s aLd s Lgn s 'to this Board. Also plans 'ands p e c'Lf Lca t Lcne 'of, ex t e r'Lo x appearance 'of rem',odelledp o r ti.Lon of. ex'Ls tLng b udLd Lng , together with landscapingplans, 'to, be: 'SU'blIii.'tted, tothis 'Board for final approvaibeTore'comm'encement of s a-t d . remodel:li~g.

wi,th the', following vote: Mr. Runter, aye, MJ:<. Pfenningeraye:,- Mrs.' Tanger aye"Mr., Pale;rmo' aye:,~' Mr. L.igh tho'useaye, Mr. Fingar ab~tain" Mr. Harrirgton aye. '

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MINUTKS,ZONIijG, BOARD O~ APPEALS,, De c'emb e'r' 2Z~, 197.0

A Pub Lac. Hearing of the ,'Zpni~g' Bo a r d of Ap pea Ls 'of theTown of Chi'li, M. T, was heTd in the' 'Admini5t'ration' Offices 'of, theTown: of Chi'li. N, Y". 3235. Ch:il..i Avenue, Rochester, N,' Y., on Decembe,r22'..: 197.0 .a t 8 :.00, ,P.M, The, Hea:r.:ing was c a.l.Led to" order', by the'Chairman~ Ro b e.rt Hun t e'z, '

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Roll Call was as fallows:

Presan't;, Mr, Rob e r t; Hun t e r., ChairmanMr., Charles' 'Pfen'ninger'Mr. John' PaLe rmo 'Mr. John' Ligh t.ho'u s eMr. David Fingar~r, R~cha~d,Harrington

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Ab s.en t e Mrs, Gertrude ,Ta~ger

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Also p r e sen t r Mr. Daniel' L, Miller', Deputy Town: AttorneyMr. WiLLiam DavLs , supe r r.n t end en't of Bu.Ll.dLn g

Ill, Applicatinn of Pat DeCz.o c e ," 3746, 'Chili Avenue. for approval torenew 'variance for' a 4', x 8 r, s L'gn advertising land for bu,ilding-lease' 'at '3,3.13-Chi'li Avenue 'in Bzone, '

Mrs.' DeCr,oce,'appeared before 'th,e' 'Board. rep'res'enting the, applicant.Mr, Hunter qu e st.Loned if thi's was 'sLgn see to lef't 0'£ s h o'p p Lngcen t e,e there? Mr's, DeGrocea.dvise'd yes .: Mr. Hunter que s trd.o n e d ,unlighted'. wo:oden',.painted sLgn - wh'a,t period of time asking for?Mrs'., D,eCro,ce ,imagined anothfir,year. Mr', Hunter, que.s tid.on ed, maximums Ltiua t Lo n.: for this land as 'devel'ep'ed'" intent wi.ll be ext ens Lo n ofsho'pping center' t.h at; Maums 'and o t h er. are .Ln ? Mrs,' DeCroce, 'advisedyes, come around, back '0 f r adLrc ad tracks, ;;tnd, around. Mr. Huntera dvLs ed , que st.Lon , not on this particular application i,n relation'to t h Ls 'sign. but as b u.s Lne e'ses. 'have c ome in. q u e s c'Lo n of sign foreach 'bust.ness;' wha,t Board wi:shei,d to do, talk' to thema'bo,u t :this,,would like, to, talk to" t.heni ab ou t possib:tlity of s e ttLn.g up p r ovLs Lonfor 'common s Lgn or sLgn po s t; up- front, dLrec't o r y o r something. avoiddi.ffe.reIi't s;[gns, t.o, t'ry' t:o make bes't'appearance" so maybe', 'so'metimeinfuture,-, when lighe'er', s ch ed'uLe 'and they' ha've ',time 'or someo'ne 'represantingowne'r s ;' .c ou.Ld 'come' 'in and talk 'to, Board ab ou t; .th Ls , Mrs.' DeCroce, 'imagined. .could Q..o it s oon , really ,now :it w a's 'slow. Bugg,ested they set'up appointment. Mr. Hunter', ex'p'lained in light of o.thex s Lgn s 'comingin. this, 'question came 'up, ' , "

On queetLo n of Mr" Hu n t ex. i;E 'any o n e 'p r e s.en t; in favor of or opposedto.. this 'a.p p Ld c at.Lon , no' one 'appeared' .

DEC1'S ro.N: .Grantea' for, a p e rLo d of one 'year unan Lmou s Ly , wi:th theright to reapply for a z-en'ewa'L,

IBoa r d. s ug g e s t ed. Mr. DeC'ro c e .o r hi's par cne r. Mr. Kuh s ,mee"f informa:l:l'y wi th.. the Board on' the: 'e v'e n Lng of Ja,nuary7,- 1971 at approXimately 8~3a, ',PM: 'to, discuss' 'futu-re 's:Lgnsin z e La tidon ah'Lp t;o the, d eveLopment; of the' 'property for .Qwh'fch 'nh Ls si'gn his b e.e'n granted.

tf2.', .Ap p Ldc a t.f.o n of George Morgan. 40: .Sp Lcew'oo d Larie , for approval to re r'ec t, c.haLn link fen~ce: A\• on corner" side yard, faci~g FrovinceUriv'e: D z o.n e , at 20: ,Spi,cew'o:Od Lane: '

Mr" Morgan appeared before t h.e. Board. Mr. Hun t e r r e.ques.t e d he tellt h em a.b o'u t; this fence 'p r o po s e'd, at'c..'. JtIr, Mo.rgaI> advLsed' .Ln, s uma e r wouldlike,'to.. put pool in and has' 'german s hLph erd , wo u Ld c r a th'ez; have h f'm inthere than tie him up ; Mr, Hunter a dv Ls ed he', 'Lo oked at 'no'use whet'-e,fen,ce, is up, qu e stLone d is",th:ls his -proper'ty?, Mr. Morga'n advised right.,Mr. Hunter. que~tioned fe~ce ~oe~ Bu-rround perimeter of, properiy? Mr.Morgan a dvLs ed' goes', 'to front ~d·ge. 'of ho'use'and, down side to ProvinceDr'ive: Mr. Hu'~ter qu e a t Lo n e d an d have 'it,come around' to' left s Ld e

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Eleanor E Wi'liams." ~" , ~ _., , , being duly sworn, deposes and say

that she is principal clerk in the office of THE TI~1ES-UNIONa daily

newspaper published in the Cit)' of Rochester, County and State aforesaid,

and that a notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, W'aS published in

the said paper on the following dates =

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Sworn before me

day of , .necenib.a~ 1970

Legal':t~~:=~~" I"

_ ZOI"'ING ~OARD OF :\Pl'tA.LS;~ 1' .., -, ,"" NO'!ICE IS HEREBY g[,'Ol1 thaty;, there wilt btl, a ,Public. I{srinJI: or the~' ZOlllnf. Board of Appeals ...f the TDWtl n~ .,pf Chili, to ,lie held In the Chili Admln- ~Ie fetration Office, 3DS Chili' Avenue~~ Rocb~ter, N.Y., 14624. on Dee'ernlietI"!~' 1970 at .lI:OO P.M. to.Wtlsider 1!le

,~ ~ ~llowil\g aiJll,ltations: . ' ..~ •

:" ';No. I, App1Jeatio:n ~f P~t DeCIOc~:' J.(: ·3146 Chill Ann ue, for' a!TPwval to :IiO retie.w .rartaace for a ,4' K S' sl:;;n ad'- :~ 'V'trllst,r$,. IMl<l for building·loltle at:e '.' 331.3.0;tj,l1 Ayen,ue'il1 B seue, -'-"", '. ' ....; 'Fl>. 2. ~IlPll<;~tlo~ of'deor.:e MOIGa;~I-"~ =0' SPICO"!opd,.til~, fOT ap.,ro,·:1! to'~~ erect cbalR link reoce 4', '011 '00= 'l side ~'ard. raclnll PrOYioc<o Drlv,'" D 1iT .zone, at 2O.SplcewdQd LJlI\II., ., :

,. 'N", 3. Apptlo;at]on of ffc1<n Garnell~:\'t ' 1<;18ft 'Chm Av~nue, f", "1'prl)"l":l.! to ,~ con<l=1 (ttt ant,<!ue shop' lit bas~mcnt'~ : -of home at 25'86, Cbl1I AVCUq;,,· E r-~ ZO~C. ., ..... ,... :_~ .

-;;; No, 4, .Awli=atiou of joseph Eitt~g~ ~ji 149 dierry 1t.o"d, f~r llPpravll.l··:Qf 1;_ variance C''' e.);lslini house at tt Still·· •: . meacow D~[YCb ro~ l\oa~o t...·1l'ont. 6l'I ";: West Cl'l1on tjve, 59,6' ~t<lJ:'1L 5o:tA~ . hant 1l1l.~, W .!~m roar,Line'~Jf~~t".' l~. No, S. Ap»li~lioIl of Mo....ers &. MetE' 1- p,et. JlAIO Chili A~nae. foc ~pprova.l ;z: to renew variance l(l' <lll.era" a ma- "!I! - cl1lue ~ol' a~ .J200 Chili Avena... 9 iII' _ zone. t.. ' .,. I.. No.6. }.p"Ucallon of Samuel B. Maret-~ c- MO. 13in So:oIIS'l'ii1. :Road for :ip- i;, .' prova:J to l!'''.''' ·,,~iane.. 10 usc exist- "t lni: ~ station at H91 SCo-l1;s-me ;'l Road as a teJIlporar)' U'U~ rq:millal.! 'Awne. ~-/1 f/J."')~

: No.7'. Al'1'licatinn of Mdbll Oil Corp:,; rn :Br<:'Qks Aveel,le. for appron.l of a: ~ecial' permit to erect a ~t'Yl.ce sta-• uon 011' the so"lb",eSI earner of Cb.i1J~... Avenue :u:<l Cl!io~ Street. B ZOllO.

No. 8. APpt~1liiou Q\ Mobit Oil CorY:.675 $£oo1:s A,·venue, for appro.al to:>~cci; " 1'2' rC>latlnll' sip. to b0 1"I"r.

_ nalll' UiUlhiJtat.d. in connecQOtl with 11I'Qt'm No. 426 I. $.~:yic."· $t:I.tlon ,:rt:<Iu~te<l 10, ·e!Oct at "

IlOflleT (It calli A'l'Cllooe and t1n.1on. ;Snoot, 801lthWtSt coni!!•.B~ne: .

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l\'1:! ?alll 'RoaCl. ta! a~H,.r6"'al of ;m__ ali,dition to pTCSel1t chute" b1JI\dlnl:

oW' 1I !Z'. Z' [[.Q11\.l!orl1l sLde. ~at 1113••Ewne. ,., ....

I All inttre51~d 'parili!S are r<:<:.\J".te.l! to Ii..-·tt.. Otrler of .tbe Olalnn:m.. ..1 .....

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Zonihg Board of Appeals ' De c'amb a.r 22,: 197,0: '

too? Mr. Morgan advised', right'. Mr. Fi!lgar quea t.Lon e d how long he'had own~d the property. Mr. Morgan advised last' March he moved in.Mr. Fingar questioned March of i97D? Mr. Morgan advised ri8ht. Mr.Fingar queS',t';i:o,ned how did he 'find out f en'c e. was 'out of compliance?Mr. Morgan a dv Ls e'd Mr. Davis,to'id him 'and men tih a't; put ,it in gave himdiffer',en't story ,than Mr. Davis "gave him. Tr,ied' to talk to Mr. 'Davis, he' ':wa.s not in t.ha't; d ay i Men told him not allowed in front.did not s ay o n s d.d e , so' when called', to. t,alk to, Town', Mr. Da:ris not 'in

ltalked to', se'c.retary .and s he lo'oked a n book and as 'long as 'dl.d notextend in f r o.n t of ho'us evwas 'all right'., c ou.Ld ext'end' on s.Lde , couldnot extend on' front. Mr. Fingar que st-Lo n e d removing t.h'a t; size. felice"did he 'ne e.d t hat; f en'c e 'inY, Mr. Morgan advised, to put pool in inb a.ck had s un de.ck , wo'uld not h ave milchroom.- would like 'to put it in •b a.c k 'a,ide. Mr. Davis .a.dvas e'd' t.h a't; wa.s 'all b a.ck yard in side yard,it is hi's back, 'yard r egar-dLese-, Mr., Hunter, questioned it ,il'lon corner2Mr. Davis 'advLs e'd it s ti'll is his back yard. Mr. Fingar questioned. thenhe', does' not have s Ld e 'ya,rd Y Mr. Davis :a'liv'ised, a c e or-ddn g to__ theirmaps 'tha't is hi's b a.ck yard, his setback from Spicewo:od, that is b a.ckyard, even though ~n,corner.

On quest'i'on of Mr. Hunter. if anyone' p r e s'e'n t; at h e'a.r Ln.g in favor ofor opposed to this application, no one ~ppeared.

DECTS,ION,:: Granted' with, 'the',£ollowi'ng vo,te':, Mr,., Hun'ter, no. Mr.Pf e.n'nd.ng e r; aye;. Mr. 'Paler'me aye," Mi:. Lightho'us-e' 'aye;Mr. Fi~gara6~ Mr. Harrington aye~

If3", AppIica.t'i'on of He Leri Garne,a'u" 29,8',6, Chili Aven'u-e. for approval to,conduct an -an t Lqu.e s hop in basement of h orae at 29:8,6,Ch-ili Ave.E z cne ;'

Mrs,.' Garne.'a·u -ap p'eare d b e'f'o r e .th e' 'Bo a r d., Mr., Hunter', .-qu,est.ioned s hewas 'in bu'sLnese 'at t.he. 'moment? ' Mrs.' Garnea'u advised' had be:e'n:abo:ut 1'-'ten, ye--ars.' Mr. linter' reques't'e.d', sh'e, :tel'l th,em'something ab ou t; h er.operation in seTling these: ·thi'ngs.' Mrs~' Ga'rneau advise'd s h'e, hadhad several, differ'elitJ reasons 'over the, yea'rs, 'for, doing it.': Originallydid a lot of cancer', z eeealr ch 'and nee'd'ed~'additional -money," so a's notto take' 'it 'from f amd.Ly, ,s'o' she: 'took 'a 'bu:nch 'of t.hLngs- 'to an an t.Lques h op and got litt'l'e 'for the'm' 'and s he 'could, compare 'prices 'in ,the're to,what th'e'y 'gave he;r:, so' s a'Ld wnysho'uld s h'e, 'go' up .an d 'se'!'l them, s cLdthem, 'from her h ouse;' 'so' ha'dgarage 's a'I.e 'and the'n: reinves,ted' that moneyand they' ha'd p ati Lo s aLe and' the'n' got b e.tt e z, th'fngs 'and had sale indining' room," put riuLs an ce 'in home" 'so b ud.Lt; place :in cellar andsta.r t ed' sh'o'p of her' own., Go,t .c ompLaLn t; from s'omeo'ne" one 'person, so'then' took lot of, thi'ngsto', Mt.' Mo'rris .. sen'tthem over', t her'e. for herto se'lT on c on s Lgnment; 'and went along' f-o r awh,i'le 'as 'long as 'c.onLdgetthingsth,en' hardly wo,rth wh,ile ,running over' with 'the'm t.h an, havingte,r'rific, p r e s'awre .a t; hospital 'at tha',c .time,-, e t.op p e d .work-i:ng and h a't e.d'everyb o.dy , so many people't"ante'd' her' .t;o. do for own: .p e opLe 'wha't wo'uld notdo for t h ems e Lv ea ;' so talked to n.o b o.dy and not fit to live wi'th herself,so' connected and aid flea' market and sold tih at; ,,,a,y., Eventually gottalking to people again and then abou~ that timehe~ husband got sickand she ha.d to, supplement income and he died in January. So withSoc:i:al S,ec'uiit,y an$'a ret'iremen't, :ueheded an add.ddtliOnal almouhnt 'and wt~ihs".gives h ez n e e'd e d 40,., or so' a mont to gat, a itiona t ,i~gs. l.tso p eo'pLe 'in To'wIi doing flea' markeot's'~' ,ever'y ,Sunday in Ber'g en and insum-mer' East 'Avon, lik,es' 'to st'ay ,within' home n ow , . Has 'gone out". wasup at Chi'li Cen,te;r ,a year with 'a.n o t.he rr.r a n t Lque .de.aLe r'.; b u.t; 'did not Ipan out there. Mr. Hunter questioned she: h.a'd b e'eu here, at Ch,iliCen'ter'Y Mrs.', Ga':tn~a'u a.dvLs e'd. 196.8-69 .. ,thErn' this 'Pas t .ye a r ; now, getsSocial:' Sec'urity'" ,bu',t no chance .o f going over.. limit. On account ofpast records have h ad , her' income' would not 'go ·ov'er.. that. Has tr'iedto get .shop on Buffalo Ro.a d , wanted $2,0:0.-, s en.s eLes s- ·to pay that muchren e , Mr. Hunte'r a.dv Ls e'd, a u.p p o s e'd s he. was aware 'of fact, b a.s L'c a L'l.yo n Ly ,leg'al'ba:si's 'Board can 'gran!; vari.ance, on,. is hardsh'ip on propertyitseTi,' someth'i'ng about th~__ t 'property that is unique. that would makeit a phys,i'caJ:'hardsh,:l.'p to'use .it in manner, wh'ich co:de,prescr,ibe,d' forthat district.' In he'r case; residential area.,' Was 'sh'e,claiming anyhardshi'p on proper'ty for' the rec'o:rd,2 .'Mrs.' Gamea, ques',tioned he 'meantby. hardsh'ip, your .cel'lar flooding and ,stayi-,ng up all night. :to' turnfurnace 'on 'so' walls 'not caveinY Mr. Runter wo'uTd have ,to, think abo:ut

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t.h a.t; 'and would 11k,e, to', know her positi:on. Mrs.' Garneau .adv Ls ed rightnow" quit in May,' ex'treinel'~ 'depres's'e'd' and still wa.s ;: and in Augustauctioned' ,ev',er.'ything off~tho'ught if she' 's ho'u Ld die; youngster wouldnot know how to disp'ose',of'it, h ad sc::r~a'ming meemies,ev:er:y, night untily oun g.s ter got ,upset. We1;l't to, Doctor, h e. gave her', pills a nd then' heasked how wa's h er antique b1isiness'an'd she told' him she 'gave that upand he s aLd what, going to, do with 'y oung s t e r' in school. will be, wor s eoff, tvi'll be, up ahi'll. used' to, work, get' b a.ck up and get in thatb u.s Lne s's 'again, so' she, started again 'and advised or advertised' s h'e wasreopening Sundaybe.fore Thanksgiving .an d then, s h e wa,s notified someonehad r epo r t.ed h e'z , so' only reason ahe came 'forwa.'rd and .appLf.ed, to b r.Ln.gperson out in open, would like to, know wh:o it is 'doing it. s u e pe c t ewho, is .. th.e'y s ho'uLd face her.

Mr. lin,ter .qu e st.Lon e d' h ow long he'r', s:i'gn had b e.en up a dve.rtLs Lng b u.s Lne s s;:Mrs.' Garl.leau a dv Le e'd' nevex:" had sign' until. ab ou t; four y e az s 'ago. b e.c ans e'did not have 'that much 'stock. had d e aLezs. 'from out of, s t.a t eith ac wi,Ll 'come .z e g ar-d.Less: 'Of s f.gn and wou Ld ,-,athe'i, ha':II'e .t h em than differ'entpeople p a s s'Lng through house 'and notbU:yi,ng. Mr., Hunter, questioned,so sign b e.en up for about four y ear s Y: Mrs.' Garneau advised aske.d' hiinlast' tim'e' 1.£ s L'gn , he, .s a'f.d no~ :(te' s a'Ld wh,a't it,,5.s. in aumme r c ou Ld se'e,when. gar:age 'doors 'open, p e o'p Le 'can peek in. b u.t right now do e s' not,know what complaint 'ia.' Mr. Hunter Ln quLz e d. how 'long .sh e' had b ee'naware ahe was 'in violation of code by: -runn Lng thi's b ua Lne s's 'and hav:i..ngsign? M.rs.' Garneau supposed' she 'alwa.ys' 'knew :it 'excep,t wh,e'n firstst'artedalthough wh,at, t ho'ugh t; did in own,' h ome , your own b u.s.Lne s sc

Mr. Hunter, inquired' wh:a,t hours '0£ day -dLd b u.s Lne s sc Mrs.' Ga'rneau'advised' you have ,to' e stiab Ld s h 'ho'ur s .. b u.t, cannot ke e'p wi th:i..n themal~a.ys,' say ,10 .t o. 6,- b u.t someone will call. has 'to~ wo.rk , can he.' comeLn at' 8 - ,9 .Su'nday , u ev'er ,plan on evening, a Lwa'ye 'ac,comodate them ..and open at ,the'j:r convenien.'ce. Mr. Hunter ques t.Loned' the' tr'afficgenerated by'it? Mrs.' Garneau a dvLs e'd' someti~es' not a person a week.Mr., Hunter', questioned trucks 'somet'imes: 'to b r.Lng the 'furniture 'or takeit 'away"pickup trucks?' Mrs.' Ga'rneaus 'a dv Le e'd' no, s h ou.Ld not be. 'any.:!'Ir. Hun t err qu e stLo ned wh:en she buys, ma terd a L, comes', 'in ho'~.?: Mrs.'Garneauadvise:d alre 'g c e svcu t 'and ge t s. 'it. Sometimes 'real e st a t e dealerwi,ll stope :in with 's r.a t Lo n wagon and ask if anything there want,b u.t; rarel'y buy 'furnitu're b e'c'aus e 'does not, 'have 'ro om , snraLf.e r things,b edsLd e 's tand s .. e t c, Mr,. Hunter', ques t'ioned', so ne rma L tr'aff:i..c to,bring in or takeout wo:uld be: 'aubmob Ll.e 'not, 'truck? Mrs.' Gaxneau a dv Ls e'dy ee ;: Mr. Hunter' qen t on, her operating ho'urs .. try -t;o keep 10 ,-, ,6,-five 'days 'a we,ek' or six? Mrs.' Ga'rtal1i' advis'e'd' six b e.cau.s e she goes'out of town, Sunday., 'Mr. Hunter, que s t.Loned, might, wel'l be 'doingbusiness' 'in even'Lng and o.c c as Lo n a Lky o n Sunday from' what a he, s a'Ld ?Mrs~' Garma:u advise'd' yes'.'

Hr., Fillgar.. q u e st.Lon e.d' '9'a9 'she.' 'a s k Ln g to k e ep' sLgn also'? Mrs.' Garneaudid not; .ca r e 'if k e e'p s .s Lgn or not.', Had, S,ig)l at this 'time andjon e othertime when was .ne e.d'Lng b us Ln e ss: 'put it closer' to road and was told to,move it nea'r-e r. house'; so' put it 1).ear ho'u s e," but; as 'it is now. she haspeople there; i:n fact, most of her friends 'are, people meet tih r ojrgh thebu.s Ln e s s;' Mr. Palermo questioned, would it hur t; bu.s Lness if took signdot,rn? Mrs.' Garneau advised no, not at all, in fact, has regular museum.should pay a dmLssLo n to cO,me through t h e re ,

Mr. Light'house .ques.t Lo n ed any bi:g d r e s'se-r s t ,Mrs. Garneau advised no,but h~d two b~ass be.'ds; young people~ant b~ass' be~~.'

On qu e st Lo n of Mr. Hunter if, anyone 'p r e s'en't; in favor of or o p po s e'dto this applica~ion,no one appeared'.

Mr. Palermo qu e.s.tLone d on the items she had , ,would s he be a bLe to,s tor e .a Ll, in b a's eraen t or, wou Ld she.' 'ne.ed the' 'garage? Mrs,. Garneauadvised' all in b a.s emen'r, only reason in garage ',in, summer', no onerea'lil!:es' 'amount of wo:r:,k involved', packing. s,or'ting out, big haul fromcelTar to: garage 'and the'n' into car., ' ~~hen co'mes' ho'me Sunday night,there until Monday mo-rning in gar?ge, everything out, of package, justthr'ow ,them in then unpack it,' res~1:t 'and br'ing;'p to' r,ep'1,ace' 'wha't wassold'.' No seTling from garage, need' that for storage ,in ~ullllEr' only.~:i..gh~ now with setup in Bergen, auction th:i..ngs there. Mr. Lusk going

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to start auctioning thip.gs 'on c on sf.gnmen t; , so' will be, t. akLn g thingsover to h.Lm ...be,cause·. have 'too muc h. res,pon~ibi'li ty there ·now.

Mr. Hunter questioned if she h~d any opinion of be~ own a; to whatthe ob jec.tLon mightb'e:on her shop? Mrs.' Garn'ea'u d Ld not, herself. andthat is wh,y wishes 'p e r's o'n who issued' 'complaint wex·e. here tonight.She 'fed's 'in her'. mind it 'is 'sour grapes, d Ld not think concerned aboutsign' or t ra f f Lc , Did 'n'ot know.' Mr. Runter questioned i'f .put herselfon other' side, what obj.ection she might: have? Mrs. Garneau knows all I'n e Lg'hbo.rs .. wh.e'n t.h e'y have s omet'hLng come' .ov e r and see. them, thepLac e ; t h.ey ,eDjoy ·il=, .se'LLs 'to half n'e Lgb.b'o.r s ;: se'll for theni on con-s Lgnmeri t, SO" why' would they o b j.ec't; , . .

DECISION: Granted Jor a p e r Lo d 0:1: three. years 'or whi'le appl'icant own,s.and resi"des 'at the property, whichever is the lesser pezLo d ,wi,ththe, right to -r e a'ppLy for a r e newaL, Gr.anted· with's t LpuLa t.Lon there 'b e: 'no S i'gn in 'conne'c t~.on· with .th LsBus Ln e s's;' .. Board suggests: 'and' strongLy u r g e s t h a't; applic.antattempt to find s uLtab Le location in coinmer'cialzone for thisbu'siness·.·Permissiuu granted' wi.ththe following vote: Mr'. Hunte~y~"

Mr. Pfenn·inger aye" Mr. Palermo aye', Mr. Lti.gh t h ou s e aye,Mr •. Harrington a'y e , Mr. Fingar no. . '

114. Ap p Ld c a t.Lon of Joseph 'Bn t z e s a, 149, ,Ch.erry Road, for approval ofvariance 'on exi'sting h ouse. at 12 .Stil1meadow Drive, for house' tofront· on West· Canon Drive, 59 ".6' from said front' 'line, 33.'-,2',(amended at h e'a r Ln g from 35' as advertised) from r e a.r line.E zone. .

Mr. En t r e ss 'appeared' before the Board. Advise·a he' was 'appearing inLn t ere st of abo:ut40..people: wh,a are involved in an administrative matter.,Mr. Am'ico wi:th him tonight, one' of t.hem' 'as weTI as himsel'f. 'Rouse'as 'bu.Ll t; by Mr. Evangelist 'and in order to', c Le.ar. title 'this varianceislgo.ing to. be: nec.ess'ary· .itappea.rs,:,nd this'-'''is T'eason 'for r·equest. Thishouse' bu.~·lt for probably 'year and half or two. y e'a.rs ·already. Mr.Entress' 'submitted tape -ioc.ation map to. the' Boar d fpr study. ·'Mr. Hunter,ques t'ioned did' he 'irnde r'e tran d 'actu'al1y house' 'fronts' 'on West' Canon Drive?Mr. En t r e ss: 'leEt that up to. Mr. Davis. Mr'. Hunter' qu'eat Lo n ed built to,-f a ce 'ana: h av e 'front yard on West' !:anon IXive?' Mr. Davis 'advised yes.Mr •. Hunter: 'comnren't e d' dimensitJn o n l ti a p a map shows '57.-6" and notice sa'id59· •.6'·.... Mr. Amico pointed' out 'where 'h av e 2 '. overhang. It i's 5'9 ".6' •Mr. Hunter: pointed' out 'on map 33'.:,2': from rear line instead of 35' andqu e s t.Lon e d' i'-1=, theY" wi:sh'e'd to amend the' a p p LdcatLo n . Mr, En tress feltr e qu e s t; 'shaudl be,amen'ded .a cco r da.n g vto map.

Mr. Hunter questioned it complied in ev'.er'y other'wa,y to', hd s 'knowl,edge,is ·'that correct? Mr. Entres's b e'Ld.ev'ed it did, beJ.'ieved complied insize., only ,taking house as' 'found it.' Mr •. Paler'mo que.stLoned hOI.' oldhouse' was 'and wa"s' 'advise'd two y ear s -old. Mr. Palermo qu e s-Ef.o n e d thiswas 'p r ob Lem t wh.en wh'ole 'a r e.a -s r.ake.d cu t t: , Mr. Amico did not know whatthinking a b o'u t when' pu t trp , it 'was up there., tho'ugh tit wa.s 'in.compLaan ce , Mr. Entres's' 'advi'sed, appeared in line with other h ou a e'son West" Canon Drive-. ' .

On question of Hr, Huntei if any 'one 'p r-e sent; in favor of or o p p o s e'dto this 'a p p Lf.c.a t.Lon , n.o one 'a pp ear e d,

DEer.SlON: Dnani'mously, .gr au t e d;'

#5. AplllH:ati'On of Mowe'rs ,& 'Meb'g,er',' 32.0:0 ·.Chi·li Av enu e , for 'approvalto renew .variance 'to, o p e ratre .a m a c h Lrie 'shop a-t; 32'.0:0, ·.ChiLi Avenue.B. z o.ne ,

IMr. RonaLd Mowe:rs 'ap p e.ar-ed b e.fo r e 'the' 'Bo a nd , J:.1r. Hunter questioned t h e'yhave b e.e'n' op e ra t Lng under. variance' for h o'sr 'long? Mr .. MOlvers 'advised' lastoIie."was ·five. ·ye·~rs .. thinks had five year onebe.fore 'that; and be:£'ore 'thatano'th e r person 'own'ed" property and one t h e'r e 2-:3 ·.ye.ar·s 'at t hat; time. The'ywe.r e asking tro dup Ld c a te'this variance.... Mr. Hunter ques tioned any changeor an r.Lc t.p a t.e d' cha'nga ?' Mr. Mower's 'a.d'vLs e'd. nothing' more than. gradual,normal Ln c r e a's e 'in' 'business' whi.ch his 'taken place in last· 12-:13' ·.years

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Mr, ',Hunter, ques't'i'<ined' normal ho'ursof o p e ra t Lon , Mr. Mowe,rs a dv Ls ed8 to, 8 at night, four hciur. sh'ift from 4:',30..to 8, b a.a Lc a LLy collegeb o,ys wo'rking part time 'a tth.,it time and theY a'r e s up e r'vd s e d , Mr,Hunter', questioned' five 'days a we,ek or some Sa t u r d ays? Mr. Mowersadvised' b a.s Lc a l l.y five 'day s ;: did not th.i'nk in last ye·ar worked morethan two, Saturdays.' Mr, Hunter'. questioned auy overtime in evenings ono c c aa f.o n ? Mr. Mowers 'advised no. '8-8, 'takes care of it. Any ext r a wouldbe, ab no rm a L c Lncums tran.ce s.;'

Mr. Hunter' qu e s t f.oned, h ow abou r 'parking, is tha.t on premises .. for allemployees'?' Mr, Mowers 'advised' parking' 10 t .in r ear off :Paul Road andall h.e'Lp ,rell.·u,e.s·t'ed· to park'the'r'e: Area. in f r o n t; , thl;'ee' 'own.er s ofb ua Lues s;. they park there. 'and s pa c e for se'c·r.et'acryand o c c a s Lo na l,s a Les'nren coming or going. Mr. PaLer'mo' questLoned employees, have access'on Pau L Road?' Mr.' Mower's 'advise'd y e-s ;: from Paul Road and into b a.cko,f plant; Mr. Hunter questioned h ow ma h y employees? Mr, Mowersadvised 40""45. people 'now" p r ob abLy ·had as 'high 'as '5;;' 'for short' time.

On ,question of Mr. Runte~ if anyone present in favor of or opposedto th.is 'application, no one 'appea'red',

DECIS-ION~ Granted' unanimously ,for a p e rLo d of five years, with therLgh t' z o reapply ,for a renewa'l,

As 'it wasbr,ought to the, Boa:rdYs attention, r e a r of p r ope'rey.sometimes, 'ha's' material stored in a disorganized' r,;ray,' the:Board to r e qne.s e in the: future, 'such 'storage 'be. done in amanner wh.ich wi,ll p r e a'ent; a reasonable appe.a r ance 'for thi'spart of applicant's property"

116: Ap p Ld c a.tLo n of 'Samuel" B. Marciano, 139:1. Scottsville Road fo"rapproval to renew v a r Lan c e. to use' .existing gas 'station at 139~,

Scot t,sville Road as 'a temporary truck. terminal. B z o'n e(amen'ded' at 'he'a,ring from A zo.n.e to, B z o.n e ',- Advertised as A 'z o.n e )

Mr. Marciano a p p eax edtb e.f'o r e 'the' Boa r d , On Mr, Hunter's questioneda dvLs e'd' ther'e was 'no chang e ," just' wi'shed renew·aJ. of variance; that isall. Mr • Hunter' qu eat.Lone d' he 'was us i:ng this as truck term,inal ford ump tru.cks'?' Mi. Marciano: advis e.d yes",. o u t: during d ay , just parkedinev'ening, "rio. traffic onto' property wh',itsoev'er. Mr , Hunter' questionedhe u s e'd thi's 'as 'p a r k Ln g of his b u.s Lne ss- 'Or 'con s trruc t Lon , Le a s ed' to,o t h er p e opLe ?' Mr. Marci·ano advised' he w'o,rks with contract, rent equip-men t, ,td them'; Mr.' Hun t e.r. questLon ed how many trucksinvo'lved? Mr,Marci'ano a.dv Ls ed' right' now down to, 'four, used. to, h ave '15 when firstapplied for variance" cu t t Ln g them down, things not going too wel'l intr.ucking business' so' he 'h a's been, a e.Ll.Lng some' 'of truckS.' Down to, fournow, i.f things 'do not get' b e.t t e.r. will' be: 'down' more:

Mr. Hunte'r,ques'tioried what h o'u rrs 'truck in and out?' Mr. Marciano a dv f.s ed.le;a·vebe.tw.e,en·7 '- 8' and b a.ck abo.ut 4,- 5 '- 5:'30., Mr. Hunter questionedno vz nucks 'out in even'Lng on job?, 'Mr. Marciano advised' no. Mr, Hunter,questioned six 'days, 'a week? M1;". Marciano advised mostly ,five d ay s ;. oncein a whTlesix days',' Il se's. 'gas 'station itself as office; has 'desk 'andphone, use's' 'ba,ys just' to, drive truck in once in wh,ile to. get out ofrain to' service 'them and get' t'h em out.

Mr~ Hunte.r .ques tioned wha't period of, time 'did he' have in .mLn d , Mr.Marci'ano' a dvLs e'd h a's b e.e n' two' y e a r s ;: all :right', if t.hey wish' to make 'itLo n g e r .. 'Mr, Hun t e.r. comment.ed indefinite terin in terms' 'of his o p e r'a t Ln gbusiness";·

On qu e atLo n "of Mr. Hunter, if any ·one 'pres'entin"favor of or opposed to,this application, no one appeared.

DECISION,: Unanimously granted for a p e rLo d of two. years. wLth the'right ,to' re:a.pp·ly for ren·,ew'a'l.·

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#7. Application of Mob~l O~l Corp •• 675 Brooks Avenue. for approvalof a s p'e cLa L .permitto 'ere-c,t a s e.rwd.c e. s ea t.Lcu on the southwestcorner. of Chili Aven'ueand Union Stree'i:. B z o'ne ,'

'8. Application of Mob~l Oil Corp" 675 'Brooks Avenue. for approval toe r e c.t. ,a 12': xo t a t Lng' sign. ,to be: internally 'illum'inated, inc onue et.Lo n wi:th se'rvice 's tra t Lo n z e.que.s tred to erect at cornerof Ch!'li Avenue' and Un-ion, Street. s ouchwast' c ozner , B z on e ,

Mr. Ralph iiTickins .. Attorney. appeared. baforethe 'Board. Have apPlica-1tion to, purchase' 'land in notice, s ub j.ec.t; ..to Board I s 'approva,l to ,opera tegas station. History of corner. years ago wh~nhe was Town Attorneyhad Master' Plan for Town of Ch,i'li andal: that time 'thi:s, .c o r n ez , adesi:gned' as 'commerc~,al,and so' d e sLgna aed no~v., F'ur,thei. the 30, acres' •a d j a c en.t; to, .Lt..were z ec e nzLy , approximately -a y ea r ago , r e soned for ashOpping c en t e r , a o t h Ls wi'll b e. 'a d j a c ent; to proposed' ,sh'q'pping center.BeTieves ,thi:s 'Board is 'acquainted' wi,th .th e o per'a t Lo n of Mobi',l OilCompany ,in Town of Chili and f e eLs ve;r:y 'proud of way ,they have operatedstations they have e r'ec t e d' he're., As ,they know; they' do not do anyrepair wo.r k .. ,e'.1'er,yi;hing is. 'taken care of as "far as any dispos.al messes.and they operate 'a clean s trat Lo n , Th,e' ,engineer ,is 'h~re for the p.Lans ;: hecan explain them better thin he' 'can, bu,t' it does conform to all s e t b a.ck s ;'He might:', 'say. that .t.h e .dza f.riag e and ou t Le ts 'On Union Street 'and onChi'li Avenu,e havebaen prep-a::rl?d wi'th 'advicesand under, s up e r v Ls Lo'u ofboth County and State.' Have not given' final approval and would notuutil obt:a.in permit to, ope-rate i't. however" trying to, prepare it andhave 'prepared it the way-they -su'gg,es t'e'd, it. 'The're is o n Ly o n e thing.thi,t know.Lng this 'Board th.e'y' m{gh t. qU,eE;lt'ion, is 'drainage 'to, s ou tih j

-does not rea'J.ly ,shu'w .on t.h es'e plans,,. bu't; there is 'a good reason forthat, t.h e'y' are 'proposing t.o b uy this :la.nd from Meleo' Brothers whoare going to put shopping cent e r in, and in contract, he' knows becausedraWing' it up, there i,s provision that 'drain,age 'theJ;e, will, go wi,thdrainage 'on, Shopping Cen,ter"., In o tih e.r. .word s , does' not, ah ow .outlet to,)creek. ,They cannot 'a t; this point b e.c'au s e: 'en'g Lne e'z'Lng pLana ',are notcompleted as 'far as 'shopping c e.n zer. concerned, ,alth()ugh does not be.1'ie "t lra t s lro u Ld hinder thi:sBoard in t h.Ls 'd e cLs Lo n be.cause· 'land to south to'c.nee k. is 'all vacant land, and will take. care of ,it. Eventua,llyall onedrainage, s ys t em ,

Mr., Wickinsthinks r e vo lving s Lgn on the c o r-n e r is n e c'e s s a'r y to, the,operation of their business'.' Might'. sayf;urther. ,and thinks, 'Board knowsthi:s,. ,there 'is .n o gas 'station located' within ewe mi:ies, of their proposed.s Lte and they' 'fae'],-, that' survey' .made by corapany ,that the're .Ls onen e c'es sar-y -t.h e r e and thinks w:i.:l1 be: 'necess-a-ry in t h e' future. They doknow there ca~not be ~ne ~crosr ~orner because tried that and State,wi'll not .al.Low .eu t r an ce onto Un-ionStree,t' ove r... t.h e r'e ,. Something ab ou t;hill and' too c.Lo s evz o Ln z e r.s e.ct.Lon , b u.t; have 'tentat.ive 'approval, ofth~i:r plans 'that, they h a'v e 'now d r awn., He, asked Mr. Willert to comebefore Boird and explain plans.

Mr. John Haran, ,23: 'Windham Road, ,Irondeg'u,oit and Mr. W'ille.i,t~ En g Ln e e'z,b o.th 'of .Mobil Oil Corporation. appeared b e.fo r e 'the,.-Board and ,plans 'Ofp z op o s e'd' s t.a t Lo n and plot 'plan we:r',esubnii,tted to the 'Board for study,and studied by', the: Board. ' •

Mr. Pfenninger' inquired' if t~J.i's w.o:iild be', 'similar' to .. one at NorthChi'l:i.. Mr'. Haran a dvLs e'd' 'no.' it wi'li not be 'same, he' su'bniitte.d Irendition of the 'service station t h e'y d n t.end to, put up. it .Ls t.he LrLa t e.st , and tryi,ng to' h ave ):.his 'one 'through,out 'area. Hr. Pfenningerdid not ,thi'uk it was 'as ni.ce.' Mr., Wick-in;:; md.gh t'. say ,this 'is differ'en',t -,location too and s ho p p Ln g center, Ln f Lu e nce d t.h em with 'de s Lgn and thi'sthey think wi:ll fit 'in wi.:ththit b e.tt e r, have s e'e'n the' plans for t.h a.t ,Mr. Willert £al'!: theme is the same as' 'the. shOpping center,...it will be.: "facing. Chili Avenue,' En g r e ss- 'a!;ld egr e sa: -on b o.th 'a z r e et'a ;.

Mr. Paler'mo que.stLone d s ecb a ck .a t pump 22':?, Mr. Wickins, 'advise'd no 3-5'. J!'

Pfenninger', ,ques'tioned' how mu'ch, :of ,h:I:l1 g.oing, to' cu'tdowu'. ,abo:ut8 t , highon Un.ion St'reet. Mr, Willer-t ex'pla'ined' the'r'ew!:ll be.: two' en'trances 'onUnion Street, one towards 'corner and one towa:rds back s:i.'deon Hr.Pfenninger"s, 'question. The' 'location of. th~, tanks were 'pointed' .out. Mr.

Pfenninge~ inquire~ how many fee~ south from Chili Avenue. Mr. Willert,

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a dv f.s a'd' 2.2:5:'· from one 'co.rn e rvr;o. back corner', past big trees'. 'and row 'ofbus he's'... and pointed' it :outcrn plans.' Mr'. Pfen'ninge'r fel'tthat wasqui teo h Lgh ,

Mr. Hunte.r. q ues.t Lone.d, .using pLans ;: using approach 'ove r. h e'z e to.shopping .cen.tey·? Mr. Wickins 'advised' will wh.e·n· it is ·developed.· Mr.Fingar .que st.Loned h ow wi:ll that. trans.i·tion be. 'made be~twe.en se·ed.ed areaand s h'o'p p Lng cen t e r., .wh.ose· prob Lera : is ·that. Mr •. Willert .advised theywill develop .Ltand carry it to their level', wh:ich 'will be: 'lower: tha'ntheirs.' M:t. Fingar ques·t·i.oned, it will be·.se'e:ded, the·y. will carrytheir earth and pick up theTr asphalt, wh an, they 'rent them out haveany ·requ,iremen·tsas far as mo st. leases'?' Mr, Haran advised e n'cou'r a g e.Lt; st'rongly,' put 'inves'tment in e h rub s., wish them to'. take 'care 'of it,not 'as 'successful as wo'uld like,'. most part the:i:r d e aLer's do it in t h LsTown', proud of their d e a.Le ra h e r'e ,"

Mr. Fingar comm·ented. thef made' Humb Le br·.ing ven.t p f.p e s. 'to. rear. Mr.'Palermo questioned .storage ·tanks,there. 'wi:ll be'. ·shrubb·.er·yto hide ·it?·Mr. Willert "adv t.s ed. was' 'low .typ·e, Canty -r e qu f r emen t a ;' and it wa'sdes.c:ribe,d' to him, t h e'y are painted g r ayLsh color not to. attr.act attention,Mr. Finga'r wi'sh'ed' them' moved. b a.ck , Mr. loJ'illertfelt· that wa's nop r ob Lem , Mr. Hunter'. que stLon e d he'avy ·line 'on plans' and Mr. Willertadvise·a: he'avyline ·exi.sting property 'and pointed' out their. lines;ex±sti~g house' wi:ll come' 'ou t 'and barn and drive .to. b a.r n , all of ~vhi'chwoutd .come.out. Mr. Pa.Lar'mo qu e at.Lon.e d. does. ·this 'Sho'w .d r Lv eway toplaza? It was pointed' out; 'and ax'p LaLned planned' t o, tie in wi.thode.ve Lo'pmen t ,

Mr. Hunter. ques t'i'oned wh:at provis Lo n for sto'rageof trash?' Mr.Willer't pointed out ·.trash· 'enc.Loawre s' 'in b.a~ck,: s ou chwe.s't; corner ofbu:ilding,' .it will .1?e. 'en'c.Lo s ed," b r.Lck wa'll wi:th 'roof .on it,. part 'ofstructure.of b ud.LdLng , Mr. Hunter. commented fine", so no ou t.sLd e storage?'Mr. Willer·t. 'advise'd,' only just'· to. get. 'in~ Hr. Hunter que st.Lon e d , wouldbe..opening? Mr. Willer't adv Ls ed yes, but 'enclose'd' as-.part of. b udLdLng ,

Mr. Hunter'. que.st.Loue d' ho'urs 'of operation?· Mr. Haran .a dv Ls e.d would say6 ~3a. .t;o. 11 - 12 .a t; night', thi'sis up to dealer, they have no .con t r o Lof tih a t;' 'as .s uch , open'. Sundays·.. vary iIi those ho'urs,. it .issev·en ..dayoperation. -

Mr •. Fingar .qu e atrLon e d, they :say ·12':-sign, they, mean r.Long or he'i'ght' .ofit? Mr'. Willert 'advised 12'. long, 4-1/2.'. high, Mr. p'ingar oque,sti.onedhe'.. high it was 'off road'? Mr. ~riller't advise·d·. normally·18·t •. Mr.Fingar qtrest.Lon e d (jntysign' they Iiave12 ':? Do n o t .have 8 t., lIt 15'?Mr. Ha'ran ·advised 8-1/2":' and 12 ,~. 8-l/2'~ on. s i·ze.of property really .Lo ok,s8m·all. .Mr. Willer', 'advised' ap p r ox Lma te'ly 4 :~ 4~1/2 ': x '12 ': long :l:s onep z o po s e'd, other one' '8-1/2': x3 ....:.1/2'. -h Lgh , Mr. PaLerra.o questioned' only.s f.gn gofngto'haver Mr.·Willert ci.'dvised: that is it, .rill not be: onei.th.er: corner, 'thi's 'is why' propose' .th.L's b e.c au s e' 'g e zt Lng awa:y ,from other'sign:;;.' ·11r. Hunter" .feTt· Board Lo o ke.d' wi:th 'some disf'avor on rota·tingsign as ·they are 'awa'r e ,. If Bo.a r d w ou.Ld ' not accept rotating sign, wh'atwo:uld be: :.theTr alte'r'naotive? Mr. Willer·.t a.dv i.s e'd. same 's f.gn sr'ze:, fixed.~r. Wickins 'did not thi-nk o b j.ect; t.o.jevoLvLng s Lgn here as in otherp Laces;: thfs is not ·.res'i·c!.ential s e.ct Lo ri," knows: t h e'ze is 'coupleQf h ou s es.across' 'street up further. b u.t; .. i:th 's ho'p p Ln g cent e r , Mr. P'f e nn Lng e rcommen.ted revolving in North 'Chili, Mr. Wickins "did not ·see.why revolvingsign would do any'ha~m to ariy one and thinks wotild hel~ his ~eople asfar as ·bu·si.nes·s·':concer'ned'. Mr. Willer'tadvise'd this ienot fla::>hingthing, ,indust'ry ·came· 'up'wi'th 'this to avoid other .. s.i'gns use·d to. se'e,'Mr. Hunter'..wo.uld assumec'ostwi'se this wo:u1d be: ·.ex·pensive :si'gn, factrot.ating wo'u.ld add to, ccj'st'. Thinks ·the·y' ·are familiar and aware 'ofnormal' res'tricti'ons 'put on -gas st'ations wh,en approve them... · Normallydo not 'allow outside 'disp'la'ys ,storage of v'ehic 1:e5. outside". Were anyof th.em any problin to the'Di? ]or-r. Haran advise'd' no, they do notwant unlicense'd. ca:rs ·stored. eithe'r', .en·c·ourage. them to. put tha't inpermi!;:, otherwi:se: "cannot control bis," find o'utin other: station,' ifnot per'mitted·-d.o not want U·-Haul. clutter. up area. Mr. Hunter.que~tioned. will they' make ~n~ ~awtrictions, if approved. part oflea'se'?, Mr. Haran advi-se'd' yes,. t'hi'n-ks th'at is wh.y ·they'. do not I';e'ethe':IJi in their sav'i'ce :;;tati.ons.·

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Mr. Davis 'inquired', .tho·se' b arme rs... a:t:e. 'the's'e 'not ·sign, he 'has to fightthese' d e a'Le r's f Mr. Willer't. fel't could call them' si'gns? Mr. Davisobs.e-rved wh,en aa:les manger. goes a r oun-d his first complaint wa's b Lgbanner up th:ere, .. that wa,s hi's 'complaint to, dealer, h Ls 'baame r not upthere, that mus e be'. ".4'. x,6'·. Of course' ',th.ey ·all do it, reason, cannot5e1"1 gas 'if .do not gLve 's ome t h'Lng away.' Mr .. Hunter fe Lt, s eema ·tobe', gimmick. Mr. Davis ,commented: b u.t still pay ·for it. ,;:;fr. Fingarwould like .t;o. s ee.. 's ome on e come up w,L'tharrangeillerit,. that would ho'ld Iall this stuff. They flop off, did not know why ,stations could notcome up wi:th something. Mr. Haran advLs e'd they .a r e lvorking on this,'they. ,are, not !lP there for that Len'g t h 'of time,- us iraLf.y ·pr'omotion forten we,eks;the'n o.ff .fo r . s amevLeu'gth ,' ,if c on t.Lnuou s. 'lose'S, 'effec·t•. On •and then down. Unfo.rtunateTy wind storm: gets torn up, dealer then wiJ!take it 'down. Mr. Hunter fel't Mr. Davi.s raise'd good point, obj:ection,as far as he i.s concerned', control si'gus 'in Tow~."'not fair to allowthem and compet'itors 'to. put a f.g n a up' and wh.en do not let ..others h a'vethem up , Mr. Haran thinks'company would'be: happy -t c . go along. Onother hand, d e a'Ler han dd cap ped. if exi's t Ln g ~er·:vice. s't'a.tions allowed, bu.t;if ordinance, they will comply. :Mr, Wick ins, 'c.ommented" they do not runs t a t Lo n , ,lea'se' ',itout to' op e r az o.r and h a'rd to. g e t; operator and if he:cannot operate' .to g et; b us Luees;' he d o e a.jno t; ·wantit.' Mr. Pfenningercommented' c-ome, '.down on ren,t.· Mr. Fin'gar quest'ioned, t.h ey. ~ci.vertise'f.ree glass', :how diff.icult'if jus\: put' in wi'n'dows:, ·is. 'this 'somethingM.ercha'ndising Dep'artment says "C.ann,ot wo'rk? Mr .• Haran advised' want itout wh,er'e people can se'e' ',it, mo r eieff e ctLve , Mr. Finga.r kri ows. unfairif Chi'li makes' ·them do it 'and Gate'S did not. Mr. Miller'. n.otic.ed Arcocut 'down on t h e Lr sign. Discussion on thi'nking it t r en'd or th.ey arejus t .t akLrrg' 'chance. .

Mr. PaLenmo qu e s t.Lon e'd fence: 'on :per;'imeter,go.ing t o. 'shrub .Ln there?Mr •. Willer,t pointed' out· wher'e 's h rub ,property 'in front 'and s.Lde ,Not too much here 'until shopping c en.te r. g e t;s. 'in and did not. knowjustexa:ctly what going on property,' b a.sL'c a.lLy some 'place 'across' her,e I(usi:ng plans)' this will be: "final back 'h e r'e , wi'll be', 'couple on top ofbank UP' here and on h:[ghex'area, b u.t; .o.n t hLs bank .itself· .kind of left 'th''':,t., Mr •. Palexmo .ques-tion:ed approximate, ·,elevat.:lon of s t a t Lon in respect.to'. ehopp Ln g 'c e n t e r., z o u gh Ly ho-w h,fgh 'above it? Mr.', Willer't .could notz e a'Ll.y ·answer·., h a'd not s een' eng Ln e e r'Ln.g plans; Mr. Wickins 'a dv ised theirplans not final yet" either. Mr. Willert advise.d are 'laid out withroad conditions·:alid th.ey wi:ll have z o. wo.r k in wi:ththat, ,thei.r plansnot far e.n'ou gh 'along,sp' can answeJ;:' .t.he 'questi Lo n , Mr. Hun t e'r ,'felt.they'wi:11 .b e, '.in their £~ont ya.rd and· the:y·. will, have 'some' "con c e r n about 'appear-ance of, the" b a.ck o f thei'r s t'a.tion. Mr. ,wickins 'c un cur r e d and went onproperty 'purchase'd from 'p e opLe 'that own: s h o'p p Ln g c ent e r, Mr. Willert,.'advise'd· t hey' have 's e'eri' t.h eLr' plans .. 'Mr. Palerino que st.Lo ri e d if theyhad s rrgg e e.tLon for .b a.c k ; they' would go along' with' them? Mr. Haran.advis ed . th'ey' h ave .agreed' on th:L's' .. once. '£hey"ha've ..i 1:, . if the'y' change,the'ir plans, t h ey' h ave 'met' wi'th 'their gr ad e s ;' meet' w.ith Mr. Mel'eob e.fo r e . finalizing and contract. drawn, Lo s e'Ly ,until find out whattheir grades "and wo'rked' wi,l;:h t h em , Mr. MiIIer~ ,questioned did theybuy·this :from MeJ.:eo:? Mr. Haran 'l-dvise~'I...,tJiey will, it 'is ·contingent.Mr. Miller'. ques'ti"oned, any ·idea. of motif, of architecture i.n theirshopping .center? M,r. Wick;!.ns 'adyise'd that, is not finalized' yet, it '.depends 'on peo'ple'that lease', ha've 'some' teases' now,' th.ink left withTown Board when rezo',i1.e·d thi;s .. final plans have to comEl in, for theira-proval ..They ·feeT. this' 's,C'ation wi:ll £.it .in with 'their plans, bu.tcannot say they.' 'are. ;fin.aI,. ,op-.lytemporary 'at this point. Do have 'se'tIof plans 'of propose'd·. sh'o',pping' center, bu',t would not, wa'nt to misleadth·e.y w:tll. be~.'f,inal. So far' ;it. 'is 'traditional, br:ick construction.

Nr. Miller, qu'e.s·,tioned. th.i.s. ·.stati'on les's :ex.pensive than Chi'li Co.ldlva:ter.Roa.d st'a.tion? Mr. Ha.ran advised', if bui1.ding tod.ay,· no. Mr,. Miller.comment'ed Co ldwa:ter' ,sta.ti.on n,ot. .f,lat 'one have' he'r~." s'i'mil'ar: toCoJ,dwa'ter, an;d Buffalo. Mr •. H!lt'an advise:d tha't wi'li be: 'aboVe shoppingcenter, and sho'uld ,keep this in view :wi:th ·t.his. Tho::ugh.t, too, bi.g andtwo: le:lieJ.:s 'be·,cause'. '0£ gr·ade.' Discuss'inn, had 'o.n sugges:t'.ed plans 'andon pl'ans 'o'f..sh'o'ppingcen,t;e·r. Mr. Miller' quest·i.oned wh'a't would they'cha·racte.r'ize ',th.i 5 station as,; contem.porary or wh.at?· Mr. Willer'tthought a little b£t mode~n, little h£t of conteillpqrary. Pointedout lvay -name wo.uld be'. 'over' ba'.y ·doors .. Wh,i.ch lvoul·d be: 'only idenfi t ieat ion


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linanimous'ly .g r an ted' '~vith ',the" followi'ng s tipu'la tions::

1. All tank vents shall be. located b eh.Lnd. the front .range lineof the b udLdLng ," wi thin 10', o f ei'ther side

2.: .Px op e z t.y ,to be, ,shiubb,ed at front and sides', of bu.LLdLn g perplans.' 'and s pe cd f Lca t Lo ns 'su'bmit ted. Rear o-f p r o p ert y to, be: ~

ah rub b'e.d. and Lan.d s c'ap ed' in a maune r. that makes 'it c orap at Lb Le 'with 'th,e premi:se's 'for, ,:the: deveLopmen't of t.he' 'adjacentprope):~y

3" No me r c ha'ndLs e 'dLs pLays- 'to be. ,'any c Los e-c' to, the: 'road t h a'n the'front line of building.

4. Only ,minor"repairs 'allotve'd.S. No outs,idestorageof v e.hLcLe.s,6; ,Enclosed .a t o r age, o f all refuse within the bu.ilding per' plans

submitted'. '7. No' s'e.Tling or r.en t a L of au t omob t'Le s 'and trailers 'on p r emr.s e s.,8., In,te:r'nally ,light'.ed s Lg n t.o be: s t.a t Lon az'y with 'a' maximum s Lz e

of, ,36, 's,quare"fe'e't:, and he::lght n ot to. ex c e e'd 16' of the crownof ',th,e.'neares't' abutting road. Sign to, be: illuminated' only whes t'ati'on :l:..s 'in o p e ra t Lon , Sign to, be: e.ze.ct.ed' under the"Direc'ti,on .o f .tih e Superinten'dent, of BuLl.d Lng and Commissione:r:of Pub.Lf,c Works.

9., Th,ereare. to, be: no other' si'gns, banners or promotional devicesother than si'gn sp'eci..fical'ly 'authorized' in thi's special pe:r:mit

10", All. operating conditions ref'ex'red to ab cve 'to, be: 'made a partof each and' eve:r:'y lease' be::t'we:e'n' Mob£l Oil Co.r p , and the s ez'v t,cs tra t Lon. Le sse.e. 'of :this 'st'ation.

#9." AppLd.c az Lo n o.f v Betiha'ny C'h a p.e L; 69:2,:Paul'Ro,ad."for approval ofan addition to, p r e serrt; church 'b.u,ilding ,42,': .x '82.':, 2+,. from northsLde. .Lo t; 'line.' E ,zdne(amended' at he'a:ring to.. be,:44: t , from north 6l-lot line)'

Mr. Te,r'r.y Lewisappea'red before 'he', 'Board rep'resenting BethanyChapeL 'As 'a p p Ld.ca't Lo n r ead , th,ey' have 'sc'r-app e d initial plan. puttingthis 2': from lot I:inebe:cause' of more approved way or working it inoverall b ti.LLdLng program and makingbtiilding t.ha.t; wi'1.:l reaihl,y makenice 'a p p e ara n c e '£OI:' thi's .co rne r of, Paul Road and Archer, Road. Wouldlike 'to' sh'owexactJ.y what wo'uld look like and s ubm.Lz t e d planned'sketnh 'of overall property. pointing out present sanctuary. wher'egoing to, put unit .on back first near lot line and h a'd s Lan t e d roofon b'ack of it. ,Since ,w-o'uld l'i:kesom.ething like' this '(u.B,ing plan)and th,r's ~vi,ll be: 'on property 44' from prope.:ity ,line and will givethem 'nice appearing building and think in ,future;, planning on puttinganother', s an c tnra r y construction on thi's, wing h e'r e (using plan). 'In fut.n'ra 'h op e 'to, have 'addition qneach 'side of p r e s'ent sanctuarywh,i,ch thinks would be: very .a t t r-ac t Lve ,' Thi's 'addition will be: .44'from rear Lo t; line 'and-wi'll be: 'put Lnnae d'La t.eLy adjacent z o. p c e sen t.sanctualy t o we.st , Size. will be: '42,'. x, 82r~" s LngLe .s t o r y .strru c t uz e ,This will jus t' .h ave b as era'eut , concrete 'and straight' up with pitchroof. poured concrete. Mr. En t;t;ess', who' accompanied' h Lm , advisedit wi:ll almost duplicate 'present structure. It will h ave b a s eman t,on samelev'el' as 'church 'b a's eraent , It wi:ll be, one .s t.o r y structureused' like, 'youth 'center, b u.LLt; to conform with 'p r e sen t; s t-xu c t u r e ,Originally ,designed' to be' 'flat roof, put wi:ll be: 'pitch roof. tvi3:1be,' 'right: .a c xo s s-, complex of wi'ng will make: '20:0,' straight line. Mr.Hunter' qu e.s trdoned this is o r LgLna L plan? Mr. Lewi:s 'advised have d evLanfrom it 'already.

Mr. Hunter' a d v Ls e'd. thi.:ng he' wou Ld be: concerned, wi:th would be, parking.looks' 'like more b u.LLdLu g area, t.han originally planned' and Lessparking space .. Mr. Levi,i,s 'advised h a'v e 's Lgn similar in this vicinity"going to', b r'Ln.g it over' onto front ,of c hur chj. in front of entrance 'of

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church 'and t.he'n going to Ln c r e a's e 'parking s pac e to this line andpick up thre. m6re ~paces and turn this~ spaces. lost into.'alongh e r e 'and take 'same' thing here wh.en put 'additi'onal unit on heze ,wmuld not h f'nde r'..t h'e.s e 'parking s.pacea. '('a,sing Layou.t ) Mr. PfiennLn ge r.quest'i'one.d' how many ,now?' Mr', Lewis 'advised right, now with ad d f tLonaLparking put i.n r e c'en t Ly , had congregation filled lfh.en' dedication ofchurch,' this wa:s 'all filled in, had congregation of over 30.0. .Lnthere. Had drive 'all way 'round, all available p Lace s-wez.e ---I"filled, b~t did not ~ount~ars.' Mr. Hunter fe~t would appe~r

wh.en e'lientu'ally. ·go to total plan will have something less' than 77 :parking s~aces,' picking up some~b~t ~ooks like:have ~rovision for18 cars will notpick'up. Mr. Lew,iS .fel'.t wi,th p r o po s e'd. addition ..will lOSE 22 ~arking space~.' If pick up three here ,and abo~t ~

eight' along..h e ne .... plus. 'three .her'e,gives. '11 car -spa c e ;' so' only.10Se' .on e ," Th.e:layout.and,parking wa.s :studi.ed by Bo a r d , Mr. Huntert h.ough t still s h'o r r . .7'. Would not ba"concerned 'not"; b u.t; wi,th 'ultimatepoint w:Lll the'y. b e. ab Le .'to"handle .park:Lng. 'Mr, Ent:r:..es's·pointed outalong front. Mr. Lew'i.:s 'felt .if, could turn cars o n t o. front on lawn.not completelyacross··f.ront,...b~t.to. a cer.tain point on b o.th sides.Mr. Hunter' que srLo ne d' if a h ome adjac.ent to . .p'r o p'a z t y .arrd b a.c k ?Mr. Lelii:S 'p o Ln t e'd out in b a.ck wh.e'ze h.ou s evwa.s ;. Mr. Langdon. Mr.Hunter questioned' any p o s s Lb Ll.Lt.y in fut.ure,if need additional spacethexe migh t .. b e. .Land .availab l:e~' , Mr. Lewi:s :advisedyes .. Mr. Langdontalked'. 'to him, in f u t uz e , of .ptrr chas Lng land from him 'and he .express'e'd wi,llingness: ·to. s e LL, 3"':5 acres 'in b a.ck and he' is io.tereste·din se:l'ling in: futu2"e,' His h ous e is probabl.y ·from their lot line 40'.and wi:th' 'th,e'ir 44:'. from their' lot .line .t o. building 80 __90'. away fromhis hous~. Mr. Hunter felt next. time around would definitely be. aconcern. not .thi:s time, b u.t; n ext .t.ime. Mr. Lew'i.:s 'and Mr. En t r e s s:f e.Lt; .thisbui.lding would be: activity type. of centexrather than-us ed wh,en'. sanctuary wa,s' u s.e.d.•. Mr •.Lewi:s.advise·d· youth 'groupgrowing rapdily -an.dr t hd.a. ·is. why -cama ..to.Board wi:th 'p r o p o e.Lt.Lo n ,

, Mr .. Fingar' wasonlyconcer'ned, about parking p r ob Lem, Mr. Lew'is Iadvise·a wh.en. had chu rch, dedication had .Sheriff t.he r.e , could parkon Paul Road b u t; did have c on c e.r'n to park on Archer' Road, b~tdid

not n e.e.d .to: go. out on st~e.e:l:. Mr. Fingar. though.t even.tu ..ally end up\oJ'fth :S6":parki'ng p Lac e's .. · How .many 's e'a.t s 'in Chur ch~' Mr.' Lew'i.s advisedpres en:l:l:y. ·can··se·a.t ~'175 'in chii,r ch 's an c t tra r y -n.ow7 e.n'La'r g e d bu.ildingwould h o'p e 'maybe: '30'.0 '.se·ating capacity 'and th'e:n if did rea'chth'a't .point would expect to look' some place 'else' and start new ,organizationas ·'did ui~th 'this o n e c 'Mr',:. Harringto'n felt to a Lev'La t.e. 'parking pro-blem.. ·co:uld go. to. two. ,serv.i.ces·.·

On ques.tLo n of Mr •. Hunter if any -on e ·.'px:.esen.t in £avor ..of or opposedto thi's "applicati·.on. no o n e v.app e atr e d.

'DEC'I'S·I.ON',: ,Unanimous Iy, g r.an t ed,Sales .

Mr. Wass"e'rman of J~. &3. ·Tires/,., In c , , t.og ech e.r;..wi:th his 'attorney's·appeared, b e.fo r e ..theBoard t o- ·request· 'a sp·ec.i.al pub Lf.c hea.ring ofthe. Bo.ar d for a further; permit·o.n. thei-x u s eag e 'at 114L Scott.s:villeRoad." 'The date. 'for the..'s pe cd.aL pub!.ic. hearing was 'set 'at7:30. ·.P.N.· ;January'oJ; 1911.

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