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IEEE P802.11Wireless LANs

Approved Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group

Date: 2005-11-13

Author(s): Name Company Address Phone emailTim Godfrey Link-7 +1-913-664-2544 [email protected]

Minutes page 1 Tim Godfrey, Link-7

AbstractMinutes of the 802.11 full working group.

Notice: This document has been prepared to assist IEEE 802.11. It is offered as a basis for discussion and is not binding on the contributing individual(s) or organization(s). The material in this document is subject to change in form and content after further study. The contributor(s) reserve(s) the right to add, amend or withdraw material contained herein.

Release: The contributor grants a free, irrevocable license to the IEEE to incorporate material contained in this contribution, and any modifications thereof, in the creation of an IEEE Standards publication; to copyright in the IEEE’s name any IEEE Standards publication even though it may include portions of this contribution; and at the IEEE’s sole discretion to permit others to reproduce in whole or in part the resulting IEEE Standards publication. The contributor also acknowledges and accepts that this contribution may be made public by IEEE 802.11.

Patent Policy and Procedures: The contributor is familiar with the IEEE 802 Patent Policy and Procedures <http:// ieee802.org/guides/bylaws/sb-bylaws.pdf>, including the statement "IEEE standards may include the known use of patent(s), including patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of the standard." Early disclosure to the Working Group of patent information that might be relevant to the standard is essential to reduce the possibility for delays in the development process and increase the likelihood that the draft publication will be approved for publication. Please notify the Chair <[email protected]> as early as possible, in written or electronic form, if patented technology (or technology under patent application) might be incorporated into a draft standard being developed within the IEEE 802.11 Working Group. If you have questions, contact the IEEE Patent Committee Administrator at <[email protected]>.

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1. Opening Plenary: Monday, November 14, 20051.1. Introduction

1.1.1. Meeting called to order by Stuart J. Kerry at 13:30.1.1.2. The agenda of the 94th session of 802.11 is in doc: IEEE 11-05-917r1. 1.1.3. Secretary – Tim Godfrey 1.1.4. Officers and Chairs of 802.11:

Name Position Work Phone eMailIEEE 802.11 WG Chair

Fax:+1 (408) 474-5343 WG Vice-Chair / TreasurerPolicies & TreasuryWG Vice-ChairAttendance, Ballots, Documentation & VotingWG SecretaryMinutes & ReportsWG Technical EditorStandard & Amendment(s) CoordinationWG Co-Technical EditorStandard & Amendment(s) CoordinationWG PublicityCommunications

Teik-Kheong "TK" Tan WNG SC Chair +1 (408) 474-5193 [email protected] H. Paine TGk Chair +1 (206) 854-8199 [email protected]

TGm ChairAssigned Numbers Authority

Bruce P. Kraemer TGn Chair +1 (321) 327-6704 [email protected] Li TGn Vice-Chair +1 (408) 773-5295 [email protected] Armstrong TGp Chair +1 (617) 244-9203 [email protected] Clint Chaplin TGr Chair +1 (408) 528-2766 [email protected] E. Eastlake 3rd TGs Chair +1 (508) 786-7554 [email protected] R. Wright TGT Chair +1 (978) 268-9202 [email protected] McCann TGu Chair +44 (1794) 833341 [email protected] R. Calhoun TGv Chair +1 (408) 853-5269 [email protected] Walker TGw Chair and ISO JTC1-SC6 AHC Chair +1 (503) 712-1849 [email protected] Ecclesine CBP SG Chair +1 (408) 527-0815 [email protected]

IEEE 802.11 WORKING GROUP OFFICERS

Philips Semiconductors, Inc., 1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ, San Jose, CA 95131-1706, USA

+1 (913) 664-2544 [email protected]

Stuart J. Kerry +1 (408) 474-7356 [email protected]

Tim Godfrey

Nanci Vogtli +1 (215) 340-2226 [email protected]

Terry Cole +1 (512) 602-2454 [email protected]

+1 (650) 829-2618 [email protected]

Bob O'Hara +1 (408) 853-5513 [email protected]

Al Petrick +1 (321) 725-1520 x204 [email protected]

Harry R. Worstell +1 (973) 236-6915 [email protected]

Simon Barber


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1.2. Approval of the Agenda1.2.1. Stuart J. Kerry reviews the agenda for the group1.2.2. Any modifications or new items for the agenda?

1.2.2.1. None1.2.3. The agenda is approved with Unanimous consent.

1.3. Approval of Minutes1.3.1. 802.11 minutes from Sept 2005.1.3.2. Are there any matters arising from the minutes?

1.3.2.1. None1.3.3. The minute are approved with Unanimous consent

1.4. Announcements1.4.1. The courtesy notices are reviewed for the body.1.4.2. Audio and video recording is prohibited by our procedures. Still cameras

require express permission from the WG chair.1.4.3. Members who are attending for the first time: 421.4.4. There are 325 people in the room

1.5. Financial report1.5.1. Al Petrick presents the Joint Wireless groups treasury report in doc

1152r0. 1.5.2. From Augusts to November, the balance is $101K1.5.3. There are reserves of $22K for legal fees (50% of fees per ExCom), $20K

for server replacement, $14K for Hawaii meeting, and $133K for 2006 meeting expense

1.5.4. We had net income of $381K and $287 expense, with a net gain of $94K for Garden Grove meeting.

1.5.5. January meeting registration is $550 early. $750 after Dec 9th. Expect a loss of $13K.

1.5.6.

1.6. Announcements1.6.1. Tutorials this week:

1.6.1.1. Systems concept for 1Gbit and beyond. Monday 6:301.6.1.2. Licensed devices in TV bands Monday 8:301.6.1.3. Something from Bob Grow1.6.1.4. Discussion with 802 vice chair.

1.6.2. Stuart J. Kerry notes that members should be careful of their property. There have been burglars coming off the street and stealing computers.

1.7. Review of Policies and Procedures1.7.1. Al Petrick presents document 11-05-781r3 to the body.1.7.2. Review of working group officers and duties for all wireless working

groups. Members are encouraged to wear their voting tokens. Voting rights are also indicated by a printed indication on the badge.


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1.7.3. Review of operating policies and procedures, registration, payment of fees. 802.11 P&P is in 11-05-456r0, which is posted on the web site. Roberts Rules are revision 10 (Gold Book)

1.7.4. Review of registration requirements1.7.5. Review of rules against photographs, tape recording, and media briefings.1.7.6. Review of procedures for server access and reflector subscriptions.1.7.7. Review of voting rights and process for obtaining voting rights, and signing

up for email and reflectors. The email confidentiality disclaimer was presented.

1.7.8. Review of process and requirements for gaining and keeping voting rights.1.7.9. Membership representation and anti-trust laws are reviewed. 1.7.10. Attendance recording procedures are reviewed

1.7.10.1. There is a sign in sheet that must be signed once per day, from 7:30 to 17:30 each day.

1.7.10.2. Attendance credit pools is based on all sessions, but evening sessions (tutorial) are optional.

1.7.10.3. There is no tutorial Tuesday – unless one is scheduled, there is no optional credit.

1.7.11.Al Petrick reads the following statements to the body:

Each Member acknowledges that the Members are committed to fosteringcompetition in the development of new products and services. TheMembers further acknowledge that they or their employers may competewith one another in various lines of business and that it is thereforeimperative that they act in a manner which does not violate any applicableantitrust laws and regulations.

Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the Members acknowledgethat the Members will not, in meetings or informal gatherings associatedtherewith, discuss issues relating to product pricing, methods or channelsof product distribution, any division of markets, or allocation of customersor any other topic which should not be discussed among competitors in thecontext of standards meetings or informal gatherings associated therewith.

Accordingly, each individual Member sponsor hereby assumes theresponsibility to behave in an appropriate manner in this respect and tolimit their discussions to subjects that relate to the purposes of the IEEEStandards making process and adhere to IEEE policies and procedures,whether or not such discussions take place during formal meetings orinformal gatherings associated with IEEE standards meetings.

ANTI-TRUST STATEMENT


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1.7.12.

July 2005

Stuart J. Kerry,Philips SemiconductorsSlide 16

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Submission

Inappropriate Topics forIEEE WG Meetings

• Don’t discuss licensing terms or conditions

• Don’t discuss product pricing, territorial restrictions or market share

• Don’t discuss ongoing litigation or threatened litigation

• Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object.

If you have questions,contact the IEEE Patent Committee Administratorat [email protected]

Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – December 2002

1.7.13. Al Petrick reads the following text to the body regarding IEEE patent policy:1.7.13.1. There were changes made to the patent policy this morning in the 802

ExCom, however we do not have access to those updates at this time.1.7.14.

July 2005

Stuart J. Kerry,Philips SemiconductorsSlide 17

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Submission

6. Patents

IEEE standards may include the known use of essential patents, and patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of thestandard. This assurance shall be provided without coercion and prior to approval of the standard (or reaffirmation when a patent becomes known after initial approval of the standard). This assurance shall be a letter that is in the form of either

a) A general disclaimer to the effect that the patentee will not enforce any of its present or future patent(s) whose use would be required to implement the proposed IEEE standard against any person or entity using the patent(s) to comply with the standard or

b) A statement that a license will be made available without compensation or under reasonable rates, with reasonable terms and conditions that are demonstrably free of any unfair discrimination

This assurance shall apply, at a minimum, from the date of the standard's approval to the date of the standard's withdrawal and is irrevocable during that period.

IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patentsin Standards

Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board –, March 2003, May 2005

1.7.15. Review of copyright status of submissions1.7.16. Review of standards compliance disclaimers

1.7.16.1. Claims of compliance to unapproved drafts are not allowed


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1.7.17. Review of meeting etiquette.1.7.18. Al Petrick asks if there are any questions about patent policy.

1.7.18.1. None.1.7.18.2. Stuart J. Kerry asks again for questions and insures that everyone is aware

of the polices and procedures.

1.8. IEEE SA Letters of Assurance1.8.1. New LOA from Apple Computer for 802.11s1.8.2. New LOA from Autocell for 802.11k and 802.11p1.8.3. Any other LOAs?

1.8.3.1. None

1.9. Interim Meetings1.9.1. January 2006 – Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, Hawaii. 1.9.2. March 5-10, 2006 – Denver Hyatt Convention1.9.3. May 14-19, Jacksonville FL1.9.4. July 16, San Diego1.9.5. September. Undecided

1.9.5.1. Brisbane, Melbourne, Kuala Lumpur, Thailand, India. 1.9.5.2. Preference between Melbourne and India? Straw Poll – Melbourne is

majority.1.9.6. November Dallas1.9.7. January 2007. Hilton London Metropol.

1.10. ExCom report1.10.1. Introduction of Mike Kipness, new IEEE staff liaison. 1.10.2. Review of MyBallot/MyProject status1.10.3. ProCom investigation of undue influence or affiliation. Stuart will

bring more information from ExCom later this week.1.10.4. European patent office wants access to 802.11 documents.1.10.5. Approval of legal bill sharing between IEEE and Wireless groups for

the Ideal Software legal case. 1.10.6. Attendance recording software and documentation management –

we believe that it is needed for all of 802, and 802 should provide the funding.

1.10.7. 802 P&P revision continues.1.10.8. Appeal in 802.20 will be heard in March 2006. 1.10.9. All 802 officers are up for election in March 2006.

1.11. Voter Summary1.11.1.Harry Worstell reviews the voter status.1.11.2.We have 513 voting members, 55 potential members, there are 66 nearly

voters, and 281 aspirants.1.11.3.You have to attend 12 out of 16 for 75%. 1.11.4.We have 1216 documents for this year. 1.11.5.Attendance sign in is 7:30 to 17:30


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1.12. WG Policies and Procedures1.12.1. Currently in document 05/456r0, on the server and web site.

1.13. Timeline Planning and publicity – Nanci Vogtli1.13.1. The timeline chart from the web site has not been changed since

the last meeting. The format has been improved to provide more information for tracking the overall history of each project.1.13.1.1. Stuart J. Kerry shows the changes. There are links to ballot results, links to

current open PARs, TG status. Approved standards remain present and show all actual dates of the progress, and link to the actual standard document. There are links to the calendars of ExCom and IEEE SA.

1.13.2. The Publicity committee will generate a press release for TGk and TGp.

1.13.3. Discussion1.13.3.1. Make the timeline available as a downloadable file.

1.14. WNG Update – Stephen McCann1.14.1. WNG agenda in 1131r1. Will meet today at 4:00 to have two papers

of future of 802.11 in spacecraft. Any further presentations?

1.15. TGe awards1.15.1. Stuart J. Kerry states that TGe was published on November 11,

2005. 1.15.2. John Fakatselis may be here some time this week, but is not here

now. 1.15.3. Awards are given to John Fakatselis, Srini Kandala, Duncan

Kitchin, Matthew Sherman. 1.15.4. Contributor certificates go to Keith Amman, Mathilde Benveniste, Greg

Chesson, Sung Yun Choi, Wim Diepstraten, Michael Fischer, Jin Meng Ho, David Hunter, John Kowalski, Thomas Kuehnel, Bob Miller, Al Petrick, Floyd Simpson, Amjad Soomro, Menzo Wentink, Harry Worstell.

1.16. TGk – Richard Paine1.16.1. Comments from LB78 are in 1045. Results are not in yet. Will

process comments this week.

1.17. TGm – Bob O’Hara1.17.1. The 802.11m revision is in sponsor ballot. Concludes on Sunday.

Voters are still needed. No updates for ANA

1.18. TGn – Sheung Li for Bruce Kraemer1.18.1. The Joint Proposal group will present status updates. Will have

voting on presentations

1.19. TGp – Lee Armstrong1.19.1. Will review current draft and comments, and possibly submit for

letter ballot.

1.20. TGr – Clint Chaplin1.20.1. The agenda is 1111r1. A new session has been added Tuesday at

13:30. Goal is to issue LB.


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1.21. TGs – Donald Eastlake1.21.1. In proposal downselection. There are 3 remaining proposals.

Agenda in doc1035r4

1.22. TGT – Charles Wright1.22.1. Will hear proposals, possibility accepting into draft. Current draft

version 0.4.

1.23. TGu – Stephen McCann1.23.1. Agenda in 1060r1, will have pre-proposal presentations, finalize

downselection process, and issue formal CFP this week. Will have joint meetings.

1.24. TGv – Pat Calhoun1.24.1. Will have motions to accept submissions into base draft. Process is

in 05/719r2. Proposers are responsible for merging into draft.

1.25. TGw – Jesse Walker1.25.1. Agenda is in 1150r0. Goals are to hear proposals. Three proposers

have written text so far. There will be a presentation regarding a gap between 11i and 11e.

1.26. JTC1 Update: 1.26.1. Agenda is in 1149. Goals are to identify volunteers to work on

documentation to support our position on the WAPI fast track ballots. Have developed comments on the ballot, which will be provided to national bodies voting on fast track. Working on becoming registration authority for constants in 802.11 standard. Working on responses to contradictions between WAPI and 802.11 standards. Will develop outreach letter.

1.27. CBP SG – Peter E1.27.1. Will meet twice this week, to respond to issues with PAR and 5C.

Currently the PAR and 5C are on ExCom agenda and will be considered Friday. 802.11 will re-confirm the PAR and 5C in this meeting.

1.28. Editor Status Report – Simon Barber1.28.1. Document 804r31.28.2. Will align plans for editing with overall timeline.1.28.3. Will have editors meeting 7am Tuesday. 1.28.4. IEEE has prepared a new special edition CD for purchase.1.28.5. Internationalization – 802.11-2003, 802.11g, and 802.11h. 802.11i

has the WAPI fast track ballot issue. Balloting in process. There have been 9 filed contradiction submissions indicating contradictions with WAPI, and indicating that WAPI is not appropriate for fast track balloting. However ISO proceeded with ballot anyway. 1.28.5.1. 802.11e and 802.11j are approved for international submission, but no action

planned. 802.11ma has a plan for international submission. 1.28.5.2. The 802.11e draft D13 is on the CD.

1.29. IEEE CD


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1.29.1. Once a year, 802 provides a CD to attendees with current standards. The approved 802.11e is on the CD.

1.30. Joint Interchange / Other business1.30.1. Charles Wright reports that he was contacted by the FAA, who

wants to write a Technical Standard Order (TSO) for performance of wireless LANs in aircraft. Asks the group how we can respond.1.30.1.1. Discussion

1.30.1.1.1. This is effectively an interpretation request. Bob O’Hara normally handles Interpretation Requests, but this was not received through proper channels.

1.30.1.1.2. Charles states that this is not really an interpretation request, in the normal sense. The FAA wants help filling out a specification.

1.30.1.1.3. Suggestion that there are many consultants who could help, but this body does not officially perform such a function.

1.30.2. Motion from CBP1.30.2.1. Move to re-confirm sending 11-05-0565r3 draft PAR and 11-05-0351r4 Five

Criteria draft to ExCom for approval.1.30.2.1.1. Moved Peter Ecclesine1.30.2.1.2. Second Larry Arnett1.30.2.1.3. Vote: Motion passes 129 : 0 : 23

1.31. Recess at 3:05pm

2. Wednesday, November 16, 20052.1. Opening

2.1.1. The meeting is called to order by Stuart J. Kerry at 10:30AM. 2.1.2. Agenda in doc 917r22.1.3. Stuart reviews the changes to the agenda since Monday. 2.1.4. Further modifications to the agenda?

2.1.4.1. The CBP group accepted comments and modified the PAR and 5C and have them on the server. Would like to have a discussion and motion in this session.

2.1.4.2. Stuart calls attention to the removal of the joint meeting of TGu and TGv. They will be separate sessions.

2.1.5. The modified agenda is approved with Unanimous consent.

2.2. LOA update2.2.1. Any new LOAs? None

2.3. Announcements2.3.1. There will be the usual Thursday evening CAC meeting.


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2.3.2. Harry Worstell reminds the members to sign in. Missing a day will result in under 75%.

2.3.3. Stuart reminds members to always wear their badge and watch for suspicious people.

2.3.4. Awards for Sharp and Spectralink are given out to colleagues.2.3.5. LB78 TGk letter ballot passed with a vote of 295 : 75 : 33, with a 78.4%

return ratio2.3.6. There are 282 people in the room

2.4. Liaison Reports2.4.1. 802.18 – Denis Kuahara

2.4.1.1. Report in document 11-05-1201r02.4.1.2. Updating ITU M.1415, characteristics of RLANs for current 802.11 standards.2.4.1.3. There are three other consultations described in 11-05-1201.

2.4.2. 802.19 – Sheung Li2.4.2.1. All new work requires a coexistence statement. 802.19 is developing a

standard process for coexistence analysis. 19-04-0022.2.4.3. 802.22 – Peter Ecclesine

2.4.3.1. 802.22 for use of Digital TV bands has received 9 proposals and is hearing them this week. There was a straw poll on the PAR for wireless microphones.

2.4.3.2. Requests time on Friday to discuss their final action on that PAR. 2.4.4. 802 architecture - Roger Durand

2.4.4.1. Document 05/1200r02.4.4.2. Discussed 802.3 QoS capabilities, Power saving regulatory issues, Report

on 802 wireless architecture, and other presentations. 2.4.5. WiFi Alliance – Clint Chaplin

2.4.5.1. There has not been a meeting since September2.4.5.2. An update is on the server as 05/1208.


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2.4.5.3. Next meeting in Phoenix in December.2.4.6. JEDEC – no report2.4.7. IETF – Dorothy Stanley

2.4.7.1. Report in 05/1196r02.4.7.2. Work on EAP method standardization at last IETF meeting. Will create a WG

to update EAP-TLS.2.4.7.3. IETF has requested 802.11 to review EAP Keying requirements and key

management extensions documents. 2.4.7.4. Discussion

2.4.7.4.1. Stuart asks about the liaison letters we sent – has there been any response? None yet – Dorothy will check back with them.

2.4.8. JTC1-SC6 – Jesse Walker2.4.8.1. document minutes 11452.4.8.2. Position paper 05.967r92.4.8.3. Document 11-05-1205 contains comments on JTC1 documents.2.4.8.4. There will be motions regarding these documents.2.4.8.5.

2.4.9. 3GPP – Sabine Demel2.4.9.1. 3GPP has received liaisons statements from TGu

2.4.10. TIA – Ariel2.4.10.1. Document 05/1162r12.4.10.2. Broadband Task Group currently working to integrate public safety uses,

based on 802.11 in 4.9GHz. Need to standardize a 5Mhz channel mode, which needs to be added to 802.11j

2.4.10.3. Described potential use cases for this band.2.4.10.4. Discussion


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2.4.10.4.1. How are the differences between 802.11 and 802.16 being reconciled? They are both proposed, but 802.11 seems to be most appropriate

2.4.11.3GPP2 – Facim2.4.11.1. Sent a liaison to 3GPP2. There was no response yet2.4.11.2. The TGu requirements are being discussed, expect a reply by January or

March. 2.4.11.3. 3GPP2 has looked at WLAN as a black box. Will consider enhancements to

WLAN as a longer term issue.2.4.11.4. The document is 1142r0

2.4.12. Wireless Ad Hoc – Tom Siep2.4.12.1. Document 1197r12.4.12.2. This group is no longer an ad-hoc. It is not a part of 802.1. It is now part of an

EC Standing Committee. The group does not function to mandate a fixed common architecture. It is meant to find common problems and identify directions toward common solutions. It is a group for discussion of inter-WG topics, but doesn’t actually do the work.

2.4.12.3. If a topic of interest is identified, a group will be formed to consider forming a Study Group.

2.4.12.4. There were presentations on QoS and mesh networking. 2.4.12.5. Considering a new name, to remove the word Architecture, and make a non-

controversial name.

2.5. New Business2.5.1. CBP PAR and 5C

2.5.1.1. Peter Ecclesine presents document 05/565r4, the latest version of the CBP PAR.

2.5.1.2. The CBP SG accepted the suggested changes from 802.16. He reviews the changes in yellow with the group.

2.5.1.3. In document 05/351r5, the 5C document, additional changes that were made are identified and presented.

2.5.1.4. In document 1202r1, motions are presented.2.5.1.5. Move To submit draft CBP PAR 05/565r4 and Five Criteria Draft 05/351r5 to

ExCom and forward to NesCom.2.5.1.5.1. Moved Peter Ecclesine2.5.1.5.2. Second Garth Hilman


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2.5.1.5.3. Vote: Motion passes 108 : 1 : 11 2.5.2. 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures Straw Poll

2.5.2.1. An email was sent out regarding the changes in 802 P&P. Changes to bringing WG out of hibernation, changing SG lifetime to session to session, changes to membership gaining and maintaining to 2 out of 3 plenaries.

2.5.2.2. Straw poll on changing membership rules to 2 out of 3. 802.1, 3, 15, and 20 are against it?

2.5.2.3. Discussion2.5.2.3.1. The document is other changes? Yes. The other document has

issues. We should be able to give more specific feedback than an overall report on the whole package. This straw Poll is on one particular issue of membership changes.

2.5.2.3.2. There is no intention of changing the substitution of one interim for a plenary.

2.5.2.3.3. Announcement – the drafts are on the local server in /var/ftp/11/Drafts. This is the only time drafts are available to non-voting members.

2.5.2.3.4.2.5.2.4. Straw Poll:

2.5.2.4.1. Reduction to 2 out of 3: 2 votes2.5.2.4.2. Leave it as it is (2 out of 4): 157 votes 2.5.2.4.3. Don’t care or abstain: 7 votes

2.5.3. Announcements2.5.3.1. There will be a TGs ballot at 4pm today2.5.3.2. Any objection to modify the agenda to bring forward motions? None

2.5.4. JTC1 Motions2.5.4.1. This is an editorial update to documents that were adopted in Garden Grove2.5.4.2. Move to approve doc 11-05-0967-09 as the position of the IEEE 802.11

Working Group in regard to WAPI, replacing 11-05-0967-05.2.5.4.2.1. Moved Jesse Walker2.5.4.2.2. Second Alex Chang


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2.5.4.2.3. Discussion2.5.4.2.3.1. Why do we need to do this? Paul Nicolich suggested

that we pass this motion.2.5.4.2.3.2. This is actually asking 802 to take a position – should we

re-word it appropriately. 2.5.4.2.3.3. Motion amended to remove the forwarding to Excom

without objection.2.5.4.2.4. Vote: passes 109 : 1 : 16

2.5.4.3. Move to approve doc 11-05-1205-00 as the current set of comments of the IEEE 802.11 Working Group on ISO/IEC JTC1 doc 1N7904 (WAPI) and forward to IEEE 802 ExCom for approval.

2.5.4.3.1. Moved Jesse Walker2.5.4.3.2. Second Clint Chaplin2.5.4.3.3. Vote: passes 101 : 0 : 19

2.5.5. Announcements2.5.5.1. The joint session of TGv and TGu will be delayed until January. These will be

individual sessions.2.5.5.2. Has the document from TIA-TR42 been reviewed and commented upon?

2.5.5.2.1. Al Petrick states that we addressed this at the last meeting and forwarded a response. We are waiting for a reply.

2.6. Recess2.6.1. The meeting is recessed at 12:00

3. Friday, November 18, 2005 Closing Plenary3.1. Opening

3.1.1. The meeting is called to order at 08:00 by Stuart J. Kerry. 3.1.2. Agenda is in document 05/917r2, and will become r3 after any changes3.1.3. There are 170 people in the room.3.1.4. Stuart J. Kerry reviews the agenda for the group


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3.1.5. Any modification to the agenda? Any new Items? 3.1.5.1. Adding 4.6.1: Comments on tickets at the social event.

3.1.5.1.1. New business item. Added to old business due to Garth having to leave early. No objection from the floor.

3.1.5.2. Continuation of liaison report from 802.223.1.5.3. .Report on FAA TSO

3.1.6. Approval of the modified agenda3.1.6.1. The agenda is approved with Unanimous consent

3.2. Letters of Assurance3.2.1. There are no new LOAs

3.3. Announcements3.3.1. CAC chairs are reminded to check the dates for providing minutes and

reports, conference calls, web site updates, etc.3.3.2. Discussion of 802 rules change straw Poll: Stuart reports that there is

general confusion on what is changing in the P&P. The matter is being withdrawn for the present time. The general WG consensus is to not make any changes, from other groups as well as 802.11.

3.3.3. Matt Sherman states that the original text from the P&P has been restored. There will be a vote on other changes in the P&P today. There will be no change for membership.

3.4. Documentation3.4.1. We are considering an interim solution for attendance and documentation.

We will adapt the 802.16 software written by Roger Marks. We should be able to have electronic sign-in until such a time as the 802 ExCom can implement a solution for all of 802. This is unlikely to occur anytime soon, since the RFP can’t even go out until July 06. Implementation in 07 is most likely.

3.4.2. Discussion3.4.3. At the end of this year the document numbers should change to 11-06, but

last year they didn’t. Harry assures that there will not be a problem this year. Harry will change the year number in advance this time.

3.4.4. Is there a way for 802.11 to accelerate the establishment of attendance and documentation software? We had previous bids – can we use those as a starting point?

3.5. Policies and Procedures3.5.1. Al Petrick has not received any changes on the P&P. Doc 05/456r0 is the

current version.

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3.6.1. Nanci Vogtli states that the publicity group completed a press release for TGk this week.

3.6.2. The Timeline had a few minor updates. It will be posted on the website on Monday.

3.7. Editor Report3.7.1. Simon Barber presents document 05/804r43.7.2. Editors group reviewed 2005 style guide, and created a modified

document submissions template for the purpose of submitting draft text. The new submissions template is being tested. It used the correct styles and has instructions to the style guide.

3.8. Meeting Location3.8.1. Straw Poll – do members like this location and want to come back? 100%

like the location and want to come back. None opposed.

3.9. WNG Report3.9.1. Steven McCann presents 05/1222r13.9.2. Two papers presented, applications in space, and on video transmission. 3.9.3. In January 2006, a follow up on video transmission, as well as a

presentation on OBAN (European project)

3.10. TGk Report3.10.1. Richard Paine presents 05/1235r03.10.2. Conducted comment resolution on LB78 for the entire meeting.

Comments were organized and assigned, and resolution was started.3.10.3. 190 comments were resolved3.10.4. Objectives for January are to conduct recirc letter ballot.3.10.5. Teleconferences will continue3.10.6. Stuart J. Kerry announces that those in the Sponsor Ballot pool

should have received a letter. If you want to sign up for 802.11k Sponsor Ballot, do so in the next 30 days.

3.11. TGm Report3.11.1.Bob O’Hara presents document 05/1166r03.11.2.TGm started processing comments already received in sponsor ballot

underway.


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3.11.3.The ballot does not close until Sunday. There were 84 comments received so far, and 75 proposed resolutions were written.

3.11.4.Snapshots of comments and resolutions are in document 06/11673.11.5.In January, will complete processing of comments, and initiate a

recirculation ballot.3.11.6.There are no ANA requests received.

3.12. TGn Report3.12.1. Garth Hillman presents 05/1228r03.12.2. The group discussed the merged proposal this week.3.12.3. There was not a confirmation vote, and the editor was not elected.

The proposal team was not finished. They will continue working until January, and will bring a baseline document ready for a confirmation vote to the January meeting.

3.12.4. There will be a coexistence assurance document issued with the first draft.

3.12.5. Minutes are completed as 05/1148r03.12.6. If proposal in January meets 75% criteria, there will be an editor

election. Will try for a draft 1.0 Letter Ballot in March.3.12.7. Discussion

3.12.7.1. The 1221 document is currently at revision 1. The MAC and PHY documents will be updated later.

3.13. TGp Report3.13.1. Lee Armstrong presents document 05/1239r03.13.2. Reviewed draft 0.24, and resolved 73 comments. 43 comments

were closed. There are still open comments.3.13.3. Will have teleconferences to continue work3.13.4. Will have draft 0.25 by November 28th

3.13.5. Will complete comment resolution in January.

3.14. TGr Report3.14.1. Clint Chaplin presents document 05/1233r0


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3.14.2. Will have teleconferences starting Dec 14th, and have an ad-hoc meeting in February.

3.14.3. The group generated draft 1.0 this week.3.14.3.1. Thanks to the editor Bill Marshall for his excellent work.

3.14.4. Will have a motion to forward Draft 1.0 to Letter Ballot.3.14.5. In January, will resolve comments on the LB.

3.15. TGs Report3.15.1. Donald Eastlake presents document 05/1232r13.15.2. Minutes in 05/11563.15.3. There will be one teleconference in January3.15.4. There was a downselect vote and one proposal (Mesh Networks

Alliance) was eliminated. 3.15.5. Goals for January will be to downselect from two to one proposal.

3.16. TGT Report3.16.1. Charles Wright presents document 05/1141r03.16.2. There were technical presentations and proposals. Reviewed

current draft 0.4 and approved changes.3.16.3. Four proposals were accepted for inclusion into the draft.3.16.4. Expect Draft D0.5 by December 15th.3.16.5. There will be teleconferences between now and the next meeting.3.16.6. There was a request from the FAA for assistance in reviewing a

TSO document. 3.16.6.1. Proposed reply: Remove Ethernet from the document. References to 11a/b/g

should be removed, but should rather refer to the base standard and amendments. There was an incorrect reference to 802.11.2.

3.16.6.2. The individual did not request an official response from 802.11

3.17. TGu Report


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3.17.1. Stephen McCann presents report in 1223r03.17.2. Approved functional requirements, Scenarios and assumptions,

and downselection procedure.3.17.3. Had 7 pre-proposal presentations3.17.4. Will issue formal Call For Proposals. Initial proposal presentation in

March 2006.3.17.5. Had joint meeting with 802.213.17.6. In January 2006, will respond to liaisons, and have joint sessions

with TGv and 802.21. 3.17.7. No teleconferences

3.18. TGv Report3.18.1. Pat Calhoun presents document 05/1139r03.18.2. There were a number of submission received and presented.3.18.3. Q&A for four submissions was pushed out until January.3.18.4. Will continue with motions for submissions to merge with base draft

in January3.18.5. Submissions for normative text can continue to be brought in, but

cannot be added in January. 3.18.6. There will be a joint meeting with TGu to discuss virtual AP and

E911

3.19. TGw Report3.19.1. Jesse Walker presents document 05/1226r03.19.2. Heard proposals addressing requirements3.19.3. Completed selection process, and voted the BUMP proposal as

basis for Draft 0.03.19.4. Discussed gap between 802.11e and 802.11i. Issue was

determined to be outside the scope of 11w, but should move to 802.11ma. An Ad Hoc committee will bring text to 802.11ma in January.

3.19.5. Had a motion to adopt baseline proposal.3.19.6. Will have teleconferences.


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3.19.7. In January will refine draft towards Letter Ballot3.19.8. Discussion

3.19.8.1. Request for more details on 802.11e/I gap issue? There are unresolved issues on DLS. The key generation is not described. There is no synchronization mechanism.

3.19.8.2. Who was in the ad-hoc group resolving the issue? Jesse doesn’t remember. Will be circulated amongst the security people. Will bring to 802.11ma. Will also bring to reflector? Will be on main WG reflector

3.20. JTC1 Report3.20.1. Jesse Walker presents 05/12254r03.20.2. This report covers the Ad Hoc and Study Group3.20.3. Ad Hoc was to review the ISO fast-track status. Started process for

becoming registration authority for 8802-11.3.20.4. Will continue outreach to get WAPI proponents to work within our

process.3.20.5. Will generate a PAR to do the harmonization work.3.20.6. Position paper was updated to Rev 9 and was adopted Wednesday. 3.20.7. Will meet again in January to receive comments from SC6,

continuing through fast track balloting process, which ends in July.

3.21. CBP SG3.21.1. Peter Ecclesine presents 05/1202r03.21.2. Revised draft PAR and 5C and forwarded to WG for approval.3.21.3. Held joint meeting with 802.1, and 802.183.21.4. NesCom will not vote on PARs until December, so SG was

extended.3.21.5. Roger Marks will second the motion to approve the 802.11y PAR.

3.22. Old Business – Motions3.22.1. Move to empower the 802.11 WG, Task Groups, Ad-hocs, and SGs,

SCs to hold meetings beginning November 30, 2005 through March 30, 2006 to conduct business as deemed necessary.3.22.1.1. Moved Al Petrick


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3.22.1.2. Second Donald Eastlake3.22.1.3. Vote: Motion approved with Unanimous consent

3.22.2. Move to empower the following TG(s)/SG(s)/Ad-Hoc to hold teleconference calls beginning no sooner than December 4, 2005 through 15 days past the end of the March, 2006 Plenary Session.

11:00 ETBi-WeeklyJanuary 31, 2006Task Group “w”

NANANATask Group “m”

10:00 ETWeeklyDecember 6, 2005Task Group “v”

NANANATask Group “u”

11:00 ETBi-WeeklyJanuary 4, 2005Task Group “y”

11:00 ETWeeklyDecember 14, 2005Task Group “r”

13:00 ETBi-WeeklyJanuary 4, 2006CBP-SG

19:00 – 20:00 ETWeeklyAugust 24, 2005Ad-Hoc JTC1

12:00 ETWeeklyDecember 13, 2005Task Group “p”

NANANATask Group “n”

12:00 ETOnceOnce

December 15, 2005January 12th, 2006

Task Group “T”

11:00 ETOnceJanuary 4,2006Task Group “s”

Weekly

Duration TimeStart DateGroup

11:30 ETDecember 15, 2005Task Group “k”

11:00 ETBi-WeeklyJanuary 31, 2006Task Group “w”

NANANATask Group “m”

10:00 ETWeeklyDecember 6, 2005Task Group “v”

NANANATask Group “u”

11:00 ETBi-WeeklyJanuary 4, 2005Task Group “y”

11:00 ETWeeklyDecember 14, 2005Task Group “r”

13:00 ETBi-WeeklyJanuary 4, 2006CBP-SG

19:00 – 20:00 ETWeeklyAugust 24, 2005Ad-Hoc JTC1

12:00 ETWeeklyDecember 13, 2005Task Group “p”

NANANATask Group “n”

12:00 ETOnceOnce

December 15, 2005January 12th, 2006

Task Group “T”

11:00 ETOnceJanuary 4,2006Task Group “s”

Weekly

Duration TimeStart DateGroup

11:30 ETDecember 15, 2005Task Group “k”

3.22.2.1. Moved Al Petrick3.22.2.2. Second Denis Kuahara3.22.2.3. Vote: Motion approved with Unanimous consent

3.22.3. Moved: Whereas, the trial use period of 802.11F has expired and,

Whereas, there has been no significant deployment of 802.11F implementations and,

Whereas, the functionality provided by 802.11F is being addressed in other standards fora,

The 802.11 working group approves the withdrawal of IEEE Trial Use Recommended Practice 802.11F and requests the LMSC Executive Committee to forward the withdrawal request to the IEEE-SA Standards Board.3.22.3.1. Moved Bob O’Hara3.22.3.2. Second Clint Chaplin3.22.3.3. Discussion

3.22.3.3.1. The reason this is being made is because the Standards Board Operation manual states a Trial Use document has a lifetime of 2 years. The document remains open for comment for the first 18 months. There were no comments received on 802.11F. The document is approved as a full-use standard upon request of the sponsor. To move to a full use standard, it has to be revised.

3.22.3.3.2. At this point we have to either approve or withdraw the document.

3.22.3.3.3. Believes the work going on in IETF such as CAPWAP address the needs that 802.11F attempted to satisfy. 802.11F did not satisfy the needs that it was originally intended to address.

3.22.3.3.4. No Task Group has taken advantage of any 802.11F features in the past two years.


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3.22.3.3.5. We should withdraw it so we don’t have to provide ongoing maintenance to the document.

3.22.3.4. Vote: Motion passes 81 : 3 : 21 3.22.4. Move to approve IEEE 802.11k press release doc:05/1240r0 and

forward to IEEE 802 ExCOM for approval release for media publication.3.22.4.1. Moved Nanci Vogtli3.22.4.2. Second Richard Paine3.22.4.3. Vote: Motion passes 85 : 0 : 9

3.22.5. Move to authorize a 40-day Working Group Letter Ballot of 802.11r draft 1.0 to start no later than 12/02/2005, asking the question “Should the 802.11r draft 1.0 be forwarded to sponsor ballot?”3.22.5.1. Moved Clint Chaplin on behalf of TGr3.22.5.2. Vote: Approved with Unanimous consent

3.22.6. Move to authorize an IEEE 802.11 TGr ad-hoc meeting on February 7th,2006 through February 9th, 20063.22.6.1. Moved Clint Chaplin on behalf of TGr3.22.6.2. Vote: Approved with Unanimous consent

3.22.7. Move to extend the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 study group up to and including the March 2006 plenary session.3.22.7.1. Moved Jesse Walker3.22.7.2. Second Clint Chaplin3.22.7.3. Vote: motion passes 92 : 0 : 5

3.22.8. Move to extend the CBP study group up to and including the March 2006 plenary session.3.22.8.1. Moved Peter Ecclesine3.22.8.2. Second Bob O’Hara3.22.8.3. Vote: motion passes 92 : 0 : 4

3.22.9. Comments on Social3.22.9.1. Garth Hillman notes that he has been unable to get drink tickets for the last 3

socials. Requests a better process for distributing these valuable tickets. Proposes that drink tickets are provided with registration badges.

3.22.9.2. Motion to include concession tickets in the membership badge at registration.3.22.9.2.1. Moved Garth Hillman3.22.9.2.2. Second Charles Wright3.22.9.2.3. Discussion

3.22.9.2.3.1. Like the concept, but should not specify the number. Friendly amendment accepted with no dissent

3.22.9.2.3.2. Should we establish a study group to address this problem…


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3.22.9.2.4. Vote: Motion passes 87 : 0 : 4

3.23. 802.22 Liaison Report3.23.1. Peter Ecclesine reports that the PAR for 802.22.1 will come up this

afternoon at ExCom. He urges that we don’t take any position on it3.23.2. Discussion

3.23.2.1. Carl Stephenson, 802.22 chair, clarifies that 802.22 is not developing a standard for wireless microphones, but will develop a mechanism for unlicensed devices to detect and protect the operation of these licensed devices.

3.24. New Business3.24.1. None

3.25. Announcements3.25.1. Stuart J. Kerry has received emails regarding use of EDT for

balloting. The P&P documents state that ballots are based on time at IEEE headquarters in New Jersey.

3.25.2. Dave Bagby comments on contact lists. Previously full contact information was published. Recently this information has been withheld due to privacy concern. Suggests that full contact information could be provided on an opt-in basis, as a means of helping the body find other members and work with them.

3.25.3. Denis Kuahara suggests that individuals use IEEE aliases for their email addresses if they wish to remain unaffiliated.

3.25.4. Stuart J. Kerry announces that the next agenda for January is document 05/1234 and will be posted 30 days before the next session.

3.26. Adjourn3.26.1. The meeting is adjourned at 09:303.26.2. The next meeting is January 15th-20th, 2006 at the Hilton Waikoloa

Village, Big Island, HI USA


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