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December 12, 2009 Rod Class

H: We have a copy of the LOMR a!d " #$ll se!d $t to yo% as te&t so that yo% ca! do th$!'s to $t(

" #a!t to tha!) *oh! as he too) the pdf a!d made $t $!to a re'%lar doc(

((+ "s $t 'o$!' to be ava$lable to the 'ro%p(

H: he #hole th$!' $s a s%mmar$-at$o! of Rod. st%ff, a!d Rod !eeds to loo) at $t a!d have $t be

$! a form that he ca! e$ther correct or add to( /%t, yes, #e ca! ma)e $t ava$lable a!d " #$ll try

a!d 'et posted o! rayservers(com as a doc%me!t that people ca! the! ma!$p%late(

R: Whe! " f$rst d$d th$s, " had someo!e #or)$!' #$th me to help me do $t o%t( obody $! th$s

co%!try has ever do!e th$s( h$s $s tech!$cally the f$rst for %s to come o%t a!d do th$s, #he! #e

d$d $! 200( he o!e #e had $! 2002, #e t%r!ed $t bac) $! to *%d$c$ary Comm$ttee $! 200, o!

the Ho%se a!d e!ate s$de( he o!e #e d$d $! 2003, Mar$e a!d " d$d $t #h$le #e #ere $! DC( "f

yo% eve! 'o thro%'h la#s a!d 'o thro%'h the$r paper#or), yo% have typos all thro%'h the$r

paper#or) too(

W$th #hat #e are do$!', #he! #e f$rst started th$s, $t #as bas$cally a bet that $t co%ld !ot be

do!e( " d$d $t(

he seco!d o!e #as the fact that #e act%ally #e!t $!to the *%d$c$ary Comm$ttee o! the Ho%se

a!d e!ate s$de a!d tal)ed #$th them( We e&pla$!ed the cr%& of the matter, #e la$d $t o%t for

them( We ha!ded them the doc%me!tat$o!, bac) $! 200( hey sat o! $t a!d really d$d !ot do

a!yth$!'( he! they came o%t #$th Ho%se R%le 440 #here they #e!t bac) $! a!d tr$ed to '$ve

themselves $mm%!$ty for #hat they are do$!'(

What #e are deal$!' #$th here $s that #e have the la#yers that are $! co!trol of so m%ch of th$s

st%ff( "t $s l$)e " am br$!'$!' o%t $! the paper#or) #hat " bro%'ht o%t last !$'ht o! "/ rad$o( "fyo% really, tr%ly, 'et $!to the Co!st$t%t$o!, %!der rt$cle 1, ect$o! 4, $t tal)s abo%t the Ho%se of

Represe!tat$ves, the Co!'ressme!( hey are $mm%!e from the rest e&cept $f they comm$t a

felo!y, $f they are ta)$!' br$bes, or a! act of treaso!( he mome!t they 'et pa$d off by a

lobby$st, that $s a br$be, a felo!y 5 that.s a! act of treaso! beca%se !o# they are #or)$!' a'a$!st

the people(

"f yo% 'et $!to rt$cle 2, ect$o! 6, $t tal)s abo%t the 7res$de!t, 8$ce7res$de!t, a!d c$v$l off$cers(

hey ca!!ot comm$t cr$mes a!d $t l$sts them( "! rt$cle , ect$o! 1, $t tal)s abo%t these ;%d'es

be$!' o! 'ood behav$or( "f yo% start loo)$!' at all of th$s, a!d these ;%d'es are cla$m$!'

$mm%!$ty !o, yo% do !ot have $mm%!$ty beca%se $tle 13, %!der C$v$l R$'hts 8$olat$o!,

Obstr%ct$o! of *%st$ce, there are pe!alt$es for these people #he! they do that( "! $tle 62, $s thesect$o! o! ho# #e #$ll 'o bac) a!d b%st them o! $t(

Where they are 'ett$!' the$r $mm%!$ty, #here they are ab%s$!' $t, $s #he!ever the /ar

ssoc$at$o! created the dm$!$strat$ve 7roced%re ct, 1964, %!der e!ate /$ll , 40 stat( 2(

What th$s #as or$'$!ally des$'!ed for, a!d #e tal)ed abo%t th$s several mo!ths a'o #he! #e 'ot

$!to the dm$!$strat$ve 7roced%res st%ff, #he! they created the dm$!$strat$ve 7roced%res ct, $t

had o!e f%!ct$o!, s%pposedly( hat f%!ct$o! #as to be able to address adm$!$strat$ve ab%se,

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#hether $t #as #$th Ch$ld erv$ces, Dept( of Motor 8eh$cles, "R, Dept of *%st$ce, O)ay,yo% are r$'ht? yo% are sho#$!' the ev$de!ce? yo% are sho#$!' the proof of the ab%se( O! o%r

s$de, #e !o# have to cha!'e o%r pol$cy beca%se #e are sho#$!' errors a!d ab%se o! o%r s$de@(

h$s $s #here the dm$!$strat$ve *%d'e #as s%pposed to have the $mm%!$ty that he co%ld 'o to

Ch$ld erv$ces, "R, the DO*,

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them( /%t #e d$d( We 'ot $!( We la$d $t $!to them( he *%d'e tr$ed to cover $t %p( We #e!t

bac) a!d proved that he #as $! error( "t $s l$)e the case #e are deal$!' #$th r$'ht !o# the

/%ess case( We are com$!' bac) $! a!d sho#$!' them, a'a$!, the fra%d that they are

comm$tt$!' o! the people( hey do !ot )!o# ho# to come bac) a!d ha!dle $t( hey do !ot

)!o# ho# to a!s#er the paper#or)(

H: Rod, $f they do !ot )!o# ho# to a!s#er the paper#or), #hat $s 'o$!' to happe!+

R: What #e are do$!' $s com$!' bac) $! a!d sho#$!' the fra%d by address$!' th$s to Homela!d

ec%r$ty, the Comm$ttee o! Homela!d ec%r$ty, the B!$ted tates Coast'%ard #h$ch $s the

head of the Homela!d ec%r$ty, #h$ch $s the M$l$tary s$deE 'ett$!' th$s o%t the 7rovost Marshals

a!d to the C"D, try$!' to !ot$fy them(

H: Do yo% th$!) they #$ll do a!yth$!' o!ce they are !ot$f$ed+

R: " do !ot )!o#( We do !ot )!o# %!less #e try, %!less #e p%t the $!format$o! o%t( "! the

Letters of MarF%e a!d Repr$sal LOMRE a!d the 7r$vate ttor!ey Ge!eral doc%me!t that #ere

all s$'!ed by Co!'ress( h$s $s #here #e have th$s $! o%r favor( "t act%ally sho#s that #e havetr$ed to 'o thro%'h the system a!d follo# proced%re( We act%ally reported the cr$mes, the

ab%se, to the represe!tat$ves a!d the *%d$c$ary Comm$ttee $s the o!e, $f yo% %!dersta!d the

h$story, that p%lls the $!vest$'at$o!( hey are the o!es that come a!d do the $mpeachme!t( "t $s

!ot the Homela!d ec%r$ty comm$ttee, $t $s !ot the Ways a!d Mea!s or 'r$c%lt%re $t $s the

*%d$c$ary Comm$ttee( hey are the o!es that act%ally hold the $!vest$'at$o!s that deal #$th

p%bl$c off$c$als( hat $s #hy #e #e!t to them( hat $s the$r ;ob descr$pt$o!(

H: Rod, $t $s l$)e #he! yo% a!d " #ere $! the M$l$tary #e had to 'o thro%'h the cha$! of

comma!d(

R: R$'ht, a!d that $s e&actly #hat #e d$d( We are sho#$!' that #e are try$!' to 'o thro%'h theproper cha!!els( We are try$!' to 'et them to f$& the problem( We are br$!'$!' $t to the$r

atte!t$o!( Whe! #e #ere there $! 200, #e ha!ded them a stac) of paper#or) abo%t 1 foot

th$c) of $mpeachme!ts a'a$!st federal ;%d'es a!d other ;%d'es for ab%se a!d m$s%se of the$r

off$ce( We are sho#$!' #here the cr$mes are, a!d ho# they comm$tted them( hey have !ot

addressed $t( ot o! o%r s$de(

W$th #hat #e are do$!', #e have t#o cho$ces( $ther #e ca! fold %p shop a!d 'o home a!d

;%st 'et o! #$th o%r l$ves, or #e ca! do #hat #e are do$!' here o!

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B!$ted tates( hey came bac) #$th a doc%me!t that sa$d they d$d !ot see a!yth$!' #ro!' #$th

#hat $s 'o$!' o! #he! #e had p%t do#! all the $ss%es of all of the corr%pt$o!( We #e!t

thro%'h the

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H: "f $t $s o%r 'over!me!t, #e #o%ld !ot treat o%rselves l$)e th$s(

R: o( o, #e !eed to address the $ss%e #$th them( hat $s #here #e !eed to 'et the people

#$th the best ed%cat$o! a!d )!o#led'e, a!d br$!' $t to the table a!d as): #hy are yo% do$!'

th$s( "f $t $s the la#yers, the! let.s 'et r$d of the /ar ssoc$at$o! $! th$s co%!try( Let.s p%t the

la#yers %!der the same '%$del$!es as a doctor or !%rse or mecha!$c( Ma)e them 'et a real

l$ce!se from the ecretary of tate a!d operate $!depe!de!tly from the co%rts( Whe! they are

operat$!' $!depe!de!tly of the co%rts, the! the co%rts ca!!ot bro#beat a!d threate! them(

hey the co%rtsE ca!!ot rem$!d them the la#yersE that they the la#yersE are off$cers of the

%preme Co%rt of the state a!d #e the co%rtsE ca! p%ll yo%r bar card( Well, ta)e yo%r bar card

a!d shove $t(

here $s a! ave!%e here( he D$str$ct ttor!eys #ho have come o! al)shoe, #ho have called

me, #ho have do!e the research, have bee! asto%!ded #$th #hat #e have fo%!d, a!d the

$!format$o! #e are r%!!$!'( hey have act%ally val$dated a lot of $t( hey #ere !ot ta%'ht a!y

of th$s( hey are st$ll loo)$!' at some of the other st%ff(

"t comes do#! to th$s, as #e tal)ed last !$'ht, #here #e are ma)$!' o%r m$sta)es #he! #e are

tal)$!' to a lot of these people, #he! #e are tal)$!' to p%bl$c off$c$als, #he! #e are say$!' that a

;%d'e v$olated my r$'hts a!d $s s%ppress$!' my paper#or), or #he! a ;%d'e d$d !ot allo# th$s

yo%r stateme!t may be absol%tely tr%e( Whe! #e say, the ;%d'e d$d th$s, the ;%d'e d$d that, yo%

ca! 'o bac) $!to the la# a!d sho# them that by the$r s%ppress$!' yo%r ev$de!ce, the tr%th, they

are $! v$olat$o! of $tle 13, 1001 a!d 10 obstr%ct$o!E( Had the tr%th bee! allo#ed to come

o%t, yo% !ever #o%ld have bee! co!v$cted, yo%r homes !ever #o%ld have bee! ta)e! from yo%(

hat $s #hat #e are start$!' to prove(

We have started to have federal ;%d'es com$!' bac) $! a!d br$!'$!' %p the fact that the ba!)s

do !ot have the or$'$!al !ote( hey do !ot have the or$'$!al l$e!( herefore, beca%se they do

!ot have $t, they ca!!ot ev$ct the people( h$s $s part of #hat #e are loo)$!' at(

Whe! #e start p%tt$!' $! the paper#or) a!d tal)$!' to these represe!tat$ves, F%ot$!' the

stat%tes, e&pla$!$!' $t to them, !o# they are 'o$!' to start real$-$!' that #e a !ot ;%st

compla$!$!'( h$s $s the d$ffere!ce( he t$me #e have 'o!e $!to Co!'ress, e'(, $!to dam

7%tma!.s 7 +++E off$ce o! the f$rst LOMR, he told me: !o, !o, !oA#e ca!!ot 'et $!volved(

Well, =, yo% ca!( Whe! " p%lled o%t the Co!st$t%t$o! a!d started e&pla$!$!' $t to h$m, h$s

#hole att$t%de cha!'ed 130 de'rees, #$th: yes s$r, yo% are r$'ht( "t #as the same #ay #he! "

dealt #$th the state le'$slat%re $!

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#ere say$!', they #ere !ot bac)$!' %p #hat they #ere compla$!$!' abo%t( /y !ot be$!' able to

bac) $t %p, they co%rtsE do !ot have to do a!yth$!' for yo%(

Whe! #e la$d o%t the *efferso!.s Ma!%al a!d start$!' tal)$!' to them abo%t $t, the$r att$t%de

cha!'ed beca%se !o# " had the r%le boo)s $! my ha!ds, " #as able to e&pla$! $t to them( h$s $s

the d$ffere!ce( Whe! yo% start lay$!' $t o%t, #h$ch $s act%ally the$r proced%res, a!d yo% e&pla$!

$t to them, the$r att$t%de cha!'es( h$s $s #here #e have falle! short, beca%se the ma;or$ty of

the people #ho teach do !ot act%ally 'et $!to the depth that #e are 'ett$!' $!to o! th$s sho#(

hey tal) $! 'e!eral$t$es( Whe! #e #ere at a

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H: We are d%mp$!' a lot of $!format$o! o!to these people, a!d they are start$!' to real$-e that

#e )!o# #hat #e are tal)$!' abo%t( Ca! yo% '$ve %s a date as to #he! yo% f$rst really started

to co!fro!t the ma$! part$es o! the fact that #e )!o# #hat $s 'o$!' o! a!d #e #a!t $t cha!'ed+

R: 2004 #he! #e started o%r class act$o! la# s%$t( h$s $s #he! #e act%ally started lay$!'

do#! hard facts of corr%pt$o!, the proof of the fra%d( We started p%ll$!' $!format$o! from a lot of

p%bl$c off$c$als #ho #a!ted to rema$! a!o!ymo%s( We 'ot a boo) from Ch$ld erv$ces sho#$!'

the fac$l$t$es of some of the Ch$ld erv$ces places #here ch$ldre! are stay$!', the !ast$!ess of

them, a!d they #a!ted th$s e&posed( hey se!t %s a boo) #$th p$ct%res $! $t(

H: Whe! d$d f$rst f$le yo%r class act$o! s%$t+

R: ept(Oct 2004 perhaps

H: "t $s the vvy case sp +++E, r$'ht+

R: =es(

H: What #e !eed o! yo%r #eb s$teblo' rayservers 5$s a co%!t%p cloc), !ot a co%!tdo#!

cloc), from #he! #e f$rst started to po$!t o%t the fra%d(

R: We started th$s bac) $! 2004( We #ere $! O)lahoma 5 a!d $t #as f$led $! the orther!

D$str$ct of O)lahoma abo%t ept 10( We Carl a!d "E both had t#o b%!dles, o!e %!der each arm

fo%r $! totalE( hese #ere ro%'hly 1 foot th$c)( We had a 114 pa'e compla$!t a!d all of the rest

of $t #as ev$de!ce of corr%pt$o!, a!d $t all 'ot f$led $!(

he! #e started f$l$!' $! more( We f$led ro%'hly feet of doc%me!tat$o! of corr%pt$o!( We 'ot,

o%t of Cal$for!$a, from a lady #ho #as !ot really happy #$th her h%sba!d #ho #as a

co!'ressma! #ho sort of ;$lted her, a ;%d$c$al boo) of probably 00 pa'es( he se!t $t to %s a!d

#e made cop$es of $t a!d #e f$led $t $!to the case( "t #as the$r proced%res a!d '%$del$!es a!d

ho# they #ere s%pposed to operate( h$s $s #hat #e #ere do$!'( omeo!e from e&as se!t

%s st%ff o! Ch$ld erv$ces 5 a #hole boo)( We cop$ed $t a!d f$led $t $!( We p%t $! the fra%d of

the "R, the fra%d of some of the mort'a'es(

M: here #ere abo%t s$& or seve! boo)s that #ere f$led( he stac) of e&h$b$ts #as taller that "

sta!d(

R: =es, #e had feet(

H: o#, that case $s st$ll a! act$ve case, $s $t !ot+

R: o( hey term$!ated $t $! O)lahoma( We #e!t $!to the 10thC$rc%$t Co%rt a!d f$led for a!

appeal o! $t( We had 60 days $! order to do a br$ef( e! days $!to $t, they se!t $t o%t to a rev$e#

board( e! days later o%r 20thdayE they sh%t the case do#!(

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hat $s #here #e 'ot the doc%me!tat$o! from the 10thC$rc%$t Co%rt r%l$!' that they #ere

corporate appellees a!d !ot p%bl$c off$c$als( he corporate appellees #ere: B!$ted tates of

mer$ca, all of the

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H: He HolderE ca!.t be both a!d !ot be able to f%!ct$o! $! e$ther o!e(

R: hat.s $t( he mome!t he came $! a!d represe!ted the corporat$o!, as the ttor!ey

Ge!eral, !o# that $s m$s%se of ta&payers. mo!ey(

H: He #as %s$!' ta&payers. mo!ey to defe!d a corporat$o!

R: hat.s $t( hey have '$ve! %s the $!format$o!( hey have '$ve! %s everyth$!' that #e have

ever !eeded(

H: hey d$d !ot th$!) that #e co%ld f$'%re $t o%t(

R: hat $s the #hole po$!t( hey !ever f$'%red #e #o%ld loo) at $t, read the paper#or), f$'%re $t

o%t(

H: hey are too st%p$d to be a 'over!me!t, Rod( "f that #as the$r att$t%de, that #e #o%ld !ever

f$'%re $t o%t, they are so st%p$d that they sho%ld !ot be the 'over!me!t(

R: he th$!' $s, #e are $! a pos$t$o! #here #e ca!!ot 'et them o%t !o# other tha! thro%'hforce, or 'et the people or'a!$-ed better tha! #hat they are(

H: Or, embarrassme!t, or #hatever( Or be$!' s%ed for tr$ll$o!s of dollars( !d have them have

to settle( Have them have to declare ba!)r%ptcy, or someth$!'(

R: Well, they are already ba!)r%pt( !d ho# ma!y t$mes ca! yo% declare ba!)r%ptcy a!d )eep

borro#$!' mo!ey, )!o#$!' that yo% ca! !ever pay $t bac)(

H: =o% are 'o$!' to have some people from a!other co!t$!e!t across the 7ac$f$c com$!' over

here, )!oc)$!' o! yo%r door, as)$!' for mo!ey(

R: !d they do!.t have $t(

H: " )!o#( We are 'o$!' to be the collateral dama'e for all of that( !d that really p(es me

off(

R: hey %sed %s as the collateral o! th$s(

H: =es, b%t #he! that other co%!try comes over from across the 7ac$f$c to collect, a!d p%sh

comes to shove, #e are 'o$!' to be the collateral dama'e( !d that $s %!acceptable( otally

%!acceptable(

R: =es( =o% are absol%tely r$'ht( h$s $s part of #hat #e are 'o$!' after( h$s $s #here the #arcr$mes a!d the hate cr$mes a!d the cr$mes a'a$!st h%ma!$ty $s com$!' $!, a!d #e are char'$!'

them(

H: h$s $s very fr%strat$!'(

R: =es $t $s( he mer$ca! people do !ot %!dersta!d a lot of th$s, a!d th$s $s #hat #e are try$!'

to br$!' o%t a!d br$!' %p, a!d to 'et people to be a#are of ho# bad they have ra$lroaded %s(

lot of people #$ll tell yo% that they )!o# $t $s corr%pt(

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H: a!d they say: b%t #hat ca! yo% do abo%t $tyo% ca!.t f$'ht c$ty hall(

R: Well, yes yo% ca!$f more of %s #o%ld 'et to'ether(

M: =es, yo% ca!, $f yo% 'o $! a!d char'e them #$th domest$c terror$sm, #ar cr$mes a!d hate

cr$mes( !d #e ca! prove every letter that #e #r$te( We have to 'et them o! the sta!d %!der

oath as the defe!da!t(

H: he people !eed to )!o# that they #o!.t 'o o! the sta!d, a!d the! the people are 'o$!' to

be 'o$!' to be a l$ttle b$t p((ed off, are they !ot(

R: =es they are( W$th #hat #e have do!e $! these co%ple of cases, Dale vs B a!d /e%ss vs

B, $f the people, a!d " mea! the fore$'!ers, $f they #o%ld act%ally catch o!, #e are are act%ally

s$tt$!' o! la# s%$ts that proves the fra%d that the B has comm$tted a'a$!st them(

We are act%ally s$tt$!' o! the proof of fra%d( We act%ally have the ev$de!ce a!d th$s #o%ld be

e!o%'h for them to come $! a!d ta)e to tas), these people( s yo% have ;%st sa$d, Harvey, #e

the people are 'o$!' to e!d %p be$!' the collateral dama'e o%t of th$s(

H: " am %p for that(

R: he people sho%ld !ot be p%!$shed a!d #e sho%ld !ot be the o!es e!d$!' %p be$!' the

fallo%t beca%se the system fa$led to do $t.s ;ob #hat they #ere h$red for(

H: /eca%se the system perpetrated fra%d(

R: W$th the ev$de!ce that #e have p%t $!, a!d that #e are com$!' %p #$th, so m%ch $s of th$s

has bee! do!e beh$!d closed doors( o!e of $t has ever come o%t to the people for %s to be

made a#are of or to a'ree to( hey have fra%ded the mer$ca! people a!d th$s co%!try a!d

they have really ra$lroaded the people so badly( O!ce the people #a)e %p to th$s, they are'o$!' to have a! a!'ry mob $! th$s co%!try(

=o% ca!.t blame the people, o!ce they #a)e %p to the real$ty that those #ho #ere $! off$ce #ho

had a tr%sted pos$t$o! of ho!or, of d$'!$ty, have ab%sed $t beca%se they allo#ed a 'ro%p of

people to come $! a!d m$s%se the$r off$ce( hat 'oes r$'ht bac) $! to the /ar ssoc$at$o!(

H: hose la#yers #ho s$t $! C((.s off$ce( Remember, he #as po$!t$!' them o%t to yo%(

R: hat $s the #hole po$!t(

M: hat $s #hy they are so a!'ry over here, Rod( We have f$led char'es a'a$!st them as the

p$rates e!'a'ed $! p$ract$cal e!terpr$ses( hat has really st$rred the pot here(

H: hat $s 'reat that yo% have do!e that, Mar$a(

M: !d #e have t#o ;%d'es #ho have had these char'es f$led a'a$!st them(a!d a b%!ch

more are com$!' %p( o# they have to come $! a!d prove that they d$d !ot do all the v$olat$o!s

that , Rod, yo% are spea)$!' of, that co!st$t%ted e!'a'$!' $! a p$ract$cal e!terpr$se( /y as)$!'

them for the$r fore$'! a'e!t re'$strat$o! doc%me!ts, a!d the LOMRs $! the people.s !ame,

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#h$ch #e )!o# ca!!ot happe!, they )!o# r$'ht %p fro!t that #e are 'o$!' after the ;%'%lar( !d

there $s !ot a!yth$!' they ca! do abo%t $t(

" tr%ly do bel$eve that there $s 'o$!' to be some attempts to offer a settleme!t o! these $ss%es(

We #$ll have to #a$t a!d see e&actly #hat these defe!da!ts are 'o$!' to do(

R: W$th a lot of #hat $s 'o$!' o!, by p%tt$!' th$s $!to Homela!d ec%r$ty the #ay " have f$le $t $!

to them, they are 'o$!' to have to 'o bac) $!, do a! $!vest$'at$o! o! the$r o#!, a!d ver$fy a lot of

the st%ff that $s 'o$!' o!( W$th the stat%tes a!d codes a!d Co!'ress$o!al Records, etc(, that #e

are d%mp$!' $!, #e are d%mp$!' $! st%ff that a lot of these people do!.t have a cl%e that has

bee! do!e over the years( "t ;%st 'oes $!( We ;%st follo# ro%t$!e( We follo# proced%re( We do

!ot )!o# #hy( hat $s ;%st the #ay $t $s do!e( hat $s ho# #e are 'o$!' to 'o a!d do $t(

H: hey are ta%'ht proced%re from a certa$! level( hey are !ot ta%'ht the e!t$re me!% of the

proced%re(

R: /y com$!' $! a!d lay$!' th$s o%t a!d e&pla$!$!' $t to them, a!d $! th$s /%ess case, #$th me

do$!' the paper#or), by com$!' $! a!d as)$!' for clar$f$cat$o! o! the #ord$!' a!d o! thephrases a!d term$!olo'y a!d $t $s s$tt$!' $! there, a!d they do !ot #a!t to address $tE, by me

com$!' $! a!d e&pla$!$!' that Mr( a!ders $s fa$l$!' to clar$fy a!d he $s co!ceal$!' $!format$o!( "

am com$!' $! a!d sho#$!' e&actly #hat he $s co!ceal$!', a!d ho# he $s co!ceal$!' $t, a!d he $s

$! v$olat$o! of $tle 13, 1001, for false stateme!ts, a!d $tle 13, 10, for obstr%ct$o! of ;%st$ce,

#$thhold$!' $!format$o!( h$s all comes bac) %!der fra%d(

o, by lay$!' all of th$s st%ff o%t, a!d ma)$!' the $ss%e of the clar$f$cat$o!, th$s $s 'o$!' to allo#

me to come bac) $!, as my defe!se $! all of th$s, " as)ed, he #a!ted $t s%ppressed, here $s the

$!format$o!( /y d%mp$!' d$scovery $! o! them, d%mp$!' $! the$r code boo), a!d tear$!' $t apart,

'ett$!' $!to the

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top level, someth$!' $s 'o$!' to happe!( he!, of co%rse, #e o%t here do$!' #hat #e #hat #e

are do$!', yo% !ever ca! tell(

R: top a!d loo) over the last fe# years( top a!d th$!) here( R$tal$! #as o!e of the most

prescr$bed med$cat$o!s for ch$ldre! #$th atte!t$o! def$c$t d$sorder( hey have prescr$bed,

prescr$bed, prescr$bed( "! the last year #e are !o# see$!' o! the !e#s, o! tv, o! commerc$als,

$f yo%r ch$ld #as o! R$tal$! a!d they d$d th$s a!d they had th$s psycholo'$cal problem a!d they

had th$s happe!, ;o$! the class act$o! la# s%$t( hey have p%t o%t med$cat$o!( hey have p%t

o%t so m%ch st%ff that they forced o! the people, a!d !o#, years later, #e have la# s%$ts

a'a$!st th$s st%ff, b%t $t #as the la# that yo% had to( "f yo% d$d !ot, as a pare!t, Ch$ld erv$ces

#o%ld come $! a!d ta)e yo%r ch$ld( o# they are com$!' bac) a!d prov$!' that th$s med$cat$o!

#as da!'ero%s( "t $s the same th$!' #$th 7ro-ac(

We are see$!' a tre!d, a!d that $s part of the reaso! #e #e!t $! after the 'e!oc$de o! o%r f$rst

la# s%$t, )!o#$!' that they #ere )$ll$!' the people off( o#, all of a s%dde!, yo% see a la# s%$t(

o# yo% are see$!' la# s%$ts abo%t all of th$s mo!ey o! the stoc) mar)et( o# yo% ca! h$re a!

attor!ey to 'o bac) after the bro)er beca%se he ra$lroaded yo%( Go bac) abo%t fo%r or f$veyears a!d yo% #$ll !ot see a!yth$!' l$)e th$s( o#, all of a s%dde! $! the last co%ple of years th$s

st%ff $s popp$!' %p l$)e cra-y( hey are start$!' to come %p( What Carl #as say$!', last !$'ht, $s

that #e !o# have la#yers com$!' o%t here s%$!' la#yers o! these ba!) fra%ds( hey )!o# th$s

#hole th$!' #as a fra%d( hey have made the mo!ey off of $t, a!d !o# they are 'o$!' to start

com$!' bac) $! a!d ma)$!' mo!ey o! the other s$de( hey made mo!ey o! both s$des o! th$s

th$!'( hat $s e&actly #hat they are do$!'( h$s #hole th$!' $s !oth$!' b%t a scam(

H: Well, #e had better 'et c%t $! for some of the act$o! o! all of th$s la# crap(

R: h$s $s #hy #e are com$!' bac) $! a!d try$!' to e&pose #hat #e are e&pos$!'( We are

try$!' to ope! th$s th$!' %p( s " sa$d, $f yo% loo) over the years at a lot of the paper#or) that

has bee! do!e, a!d yo% loo) at the paper#or) that " am do$!', other tha! my 'rammar, #hat $s

the d$ffere!ce bet#ee! my paper#or) a!d #hat #as do!e for the last several years(

M: =o%r paper#or) has all of the stats r$'ht $! the paper#or)( o o!e else does that( hey

#a!t to r%! aro%!d the hor! a!d tal) abo%t $t, e&$ste!t$ally o%t $! the a$r, a!d #herever, o%ter

space, a!d !ot p%t $t do#!( o o!e ca! def$!e or de!y yo%r $!te!t of #hat yo% are try$!' to say(

R: h$s $s #hat #e !eed to start do$!' a!d start lear!$!', #he! #e are p%tt$!' $! o%r paper#or)(

Whe! " had my f$rst cast bac) $! 2002, my very f$rst t$c)et, " d$d !ot 'o $! a!d defe!d( " #e!t $!

a!d sa$d: >&c%se me, here the Compact 'reeme!t that sho#s that " have a r$'ht to dr$ve %p

here( /y the #ay, yo% do!.t have a! oath of off$ce( Here $s yo%r oath that yo% !ever beca%se

yo% have !ot s$'!ed( Here $s the la# that says yo% have to( Here $s the re'%lat$o!(@

We attac)ed them( We sho#ed them #here they had !o a%thor$ty a!d they are v$olat$!' the$r

o#! proced%res( " #as !ot the defe!d$!' myself( " d$d !ot have to( hey d$d !ot have the

a%thor$ty to stop me(

H: =o% #ere !ot ar'%$!' the co!troversy( =o% #ere ar'%$!' proced%re(

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R: =o% are e&actly r$'ht( =o% had to meet these sta!dards before yo% d$d #hat yo% d$d, a!d

yo% d$d !ot meet yo%r o#! sta!dards(

H: here yo% 'o, case closed(

R: h$s the #hole po$!t #$th #hat #e are do$!'( =o% are com$!' $! a!d sho#$!' proced%ral

v$olat$o!s, sho#$!' #here they have to meet these F%al$f$cat$o!s( hese #ere the

Co!'ress$o!al cts, a!d the mome!t they overr$de them, that 'oes $!to $tle 10, , $!terfer$!'

#$th federal state stat%tes( he mome!t they $!terfere #$th federal state stat%tes a!d they

overr$de them, th$s $s #here the dm$!$strat$ve 7roced%res ct comes $!, %!der 40 tat 2,

they are m$s%s$!' th$s a!d ab%s$!' th$s, beca%se !o# they are say$!' that they have r%le

ma)$!' po#er( " say: =es, $f yo% are deal$!' #$th a!other dm$!$strat$ve Off$ce 5 !ot %s(

/eca%se #e d$d !ot )!o# a!d d$d !ot %!der %!dersta!d the dm$!$strat$ve 7roced%re ct, th$s

$s #here #e )ept 'ett$!' o%r b%tts ha!ded to %s, eve! tho%'h people tal)ed: N#ell, th$s $s

dm$!$strat$ve Co%rt.( /%t, !o o!e co%ld ever tell yo% #hat the r%les #ere(

H: or do they eve! )!o# #hat $t #as or$'$!ally $!te!ded for(

R: hat $s e&actly r$'ht( h$s $s part of the problem( 7eople #ere s$tt$!' o! the $!format$o! a!d

#hoever came %p #$th $t sho%ld have had the records that #e are s$tt$!' o! !o#(

H: We co%ld f$!d them eas$ly 5 d$d!.t #e+

R: We d$d( omeo!e ha!ded $t to me( he th$!' $s, !o# that #e )!o# #hat $t mea!s a!d #hat

$t $s, #e ca! !o# start br$!'$!' $t $!to co%rt a!d p%tt$!' $t $!to the record( We ca! start sho#$!'

them that #e are $! a! rt$cle co%rt, so yo% have a corp%s del$ct$yo% have real $!;%red

part$es( We ca! as): NWo%ld yo% l$)e to prod%ce them, a!d $t ca!!ot be the state of.( hey say:

NWe do !ot have them.( " ca! the! say: N"f yo% do!.t have o!e, the! #hat )$!d of co%rt are yo%r%!!$!'( "f $t $s !ot dm$!$strat$ve, !ot rt$cle , $s $t called )a!'aroo+.

h$s $s #here th$s r%!s bac) %!der rad$!' #$th the !emy ct( h$s $s the o!ly place that #$ll

allo# the 'over!me!t to come $! the$r o#! !ame a'a$!st a! e!emy of the state( o o!e )!e#

abo%t th$s e$ther, %!t$l #e started 'ett$!' $!to $t( hat $s o!e of the $ss%es that " p%t $! the

paper#or)( We tal)ed abo%t the fo%r act$o!s act%ally there #ere f$ve, " for'ot the

dm$!$strat$veE( We d$d the fo%r act$o!s: C$v$l, Cr$m$!al, F%$ty a!d dm$ralty #h$ch act%ally $s

adm$!$strat$veE(

he co%rts #$ll de!y the last t#o( hey #$ll tell yo%: NWe are !ot a co%rt of F%$ty( We are !ot

a! dm$ralty co%rt.( Well, that ma)es $t e$ther C$v$l or Cr$m$!al( $!ce most of the char'es are

cr$m$!al a!d there $s !o o!e o! the pla$!t$ff s$de, other tha! the state of, that br$!'s $t $! %!der

$tle 0, %!der rad$!' #$th the !emy ct( "t $s the 'over!me!t that $s br$!'$!' char'es

a'a$!st the e!emy( Ho# d$d #e become a! e!emy #he! #e !ever e&patr$ated o%rselves+

h$s $s part of the fra%d( o o!e else has really 'o!e $!to th$s( " have, a!d " have p%t $t $!to the

paper#or)( "f yo% 'o bac) a!d read #hat #e d$d o! th$s Oh$o ;%d'e that sho%ld be posted o!

the blo'E, #e addressed th$s beca%se that ttor!ey sa$d that " m$s%sed the rad$!' #$th the

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!emy ct( he people of the B!$ted tates #ere !ot co!s$dered e!em$es( Well, " say: N=es

they #ere %!der the mbertory sp +E ct of 19.( " started brea)$!' th$s do#! to h$m( o o!e

else brea)s th$s do#!( " dealt #$th the

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case over to $s Homela!d ec%r$ty( /eca%se !o# #e are com$!' $! a!d sho#$!' that they are

$! v$olat$o!, th$s !o# comes %!der the Home Gro#! error$st ct(

H: ! act of terror$sm, yo% say(

R: =es, th$s $s !o# domest$c terror$sm(

H: 'a$!st %s 5 by them(

R: =es(

H: " #a!ted to 'et $t o! the record, Rod(

R: What #e ca! do $s address $t, br$!' the$r atte!t$o! to $t, see #hat they are 'o$!' to do #$th $t,

a!d hope for the best( s " sa$d, #$ll th$s h$t C !e#s, " do%bt $t very m%ch(($f they come

bac) a!d do a!yth$!' #$th $t(

H: We have a lot of #or)er bees o%t here to help 'et $t to the rest of the co%!try(

R: here are !ot e!o%'h of %s do$!' $t( veryo!e $s s$tt$!' bac) a!d #a$t$!' for the test r%! to

see ho# s%ccessf%l $t $s( " do %!dersta!d to a certa$! e&te!t, b%t " also %!dersta!d that o!e

perso! ca!!ot p$c) %p a car a!d fl$p $t over( "t ta)es a m%lt$t%de of people to be able to do th$s( "

o!e perso! ca! do $t, " do!.t !eed 1 or 20 people to come beh$!d me, beca%se " ca! do $t by

myself( "t ta)es someo!e to 'et the door ope!( he! $t $s 'o$!' to ta)e other people to address

these same $ss%es, )!o#$!' that they the co%rtsE ca!!ot a!s#er the$r o#! doc%me!ts(

o far, they ca!!ot a!s#er the$r o#! doc%me!ts( hey are say$!' that #hat #e are p%tt$!' $! $s

le'ally $!comprehe!dable or 'rammaralo'$cally $llo'$cal( Ho#ever, everyth$!' that #e p%t $!

#ere Co!'ress$o!al Records, &ec%t$ve Orders, tat%tes(

H: ome of the st%ff that s%rro%!ded the Co!'ress$o!al Records, etc(, m$'ht have bee!

'rammat$cally $!correct( o!etheless, $! the case, the blac) $!) o! the #h$te paper sho#s #hat

they have do!e #ro!'(

R: hat $s e&actly r$'ht( hey are com$!' bac) $! a!d say$!' that th$s $s fr$volo%s, a!d these

other !o%!s, verbs a!d pro!o%!s that they are have for $t, act%ally #hat they are say$!' $s that

the e!t$re system $s a fra%d(

H: "! esse!ce, that $s #hat they are say$!'(

R: =es, they are say$!' that the e!t$re system $s a fra%d, a!d th$s $s the$r defe!se(

H: he$r defe!se $s !o defe!se(

R: h$s $s #hat #e are br$!'$!' %p( "f yo% the co%rtE are say$!' all of th$s st%ff $s bas$cally

fra%d, they yo% ca!!ot ;%st$fy p%tt$!' m$ll$o!s of mer$ca! people $! pr$so!, ta)$!' ch$ldre!,

ta)$!' the$r homes(

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H: 7%tt$!' %s $! ;eopardy for the people across the ocea! com$!' over here a!d loo)$!' for

the$r mo!ey(

Rod: =es( "f yo%r e!t$re system $s a fra%d, remember that yo% are the o!es #ho have created

$t( "t #as !ot the people(

H: here #as a story rece!tly abo%t Goldma! a)s that h$'h e&ec%t$ves are #a!t$!'

perm$ss$o! to carry #eapo!s( oo! #e are 'o$!' to hear Co!'ress, that $s a'a$!st '%! co!trol,

as)$!' to have co!cealed carryab$l$ty(

R: *%d'es have already as)ed for that( =o% have ;%d'es s$tt$!' o! the be!ch r$'ht !o# #ho

have a p$stol s$tt$!' o! the be!ch(

H: Holy Crap(

M: bee! there for years( hat $s commo! )!o#led'e( t$ll, they #a!t to ta)e the '%!s a#ay

from the people(

R: =o% are #al)$!' thro%'h a metal detector( =o% are be$!' searched( =o% have armed

'%ards a!d armed ;%d'e s$tt$!' o! the be!ch(

H: hat $s a 'reat system(

M: o%!ds l$)e treaso! to me(

R: ome of these co%rtrooms have b%lletproof 'lass $! fro!t of the ;%d'e(

H: Well deserved, " #o%ld say(

R: What $s #ro!' #$th th$s p$ct%re+ "f they #ere act%ally do$!' the$r ;ob r$'ht, a!d #ere act$!'

accord$!' to the r%les a!d re'%lat$o!s that are la$d o%t $! the boo)s, these ;%d'es #o%ld have

absol%tely !oth$!' to fear from the people(

H: hat.s r$'ht( hey co%ld 'o to the "!ter!at$o!al Ho%se of 7a!ca)es a!d have brea)fast(

R: W$th %s hey #o%ld have absol%tely !oth$!' to fear beca%se they co%ld say that they are

act%ally follo#$!' proced%res( hey #o%ld have to ma)e s%re that the 7rosec%tor 5 the mome!t

that ev$de!ce comes $! co%ld !ot say that they !eed to s%ppress th$s $!format$o! beca%se th$s

ma! co%ld be fo%!d N!ot '%$lty.( o(he $s N!ot '%$lty. a!d #e are !ot 'o$!' to s%ppress $t(

M: hey are ma!dated to br$!' $! all e&c%lpatory ev$de!ce, a!d they !ever do( &c%lpatory

mea!s ev$de!ce that #o%ld s%bsta!t$ate the $!!oce!t, of the perso! be$!' char'ed( "! all Gra!d*%ry hear$!'s, the 7rosec%t$!' ttor!ey $s s%pposed to br$!' $! all s$des of the ev$de!ce,

$!cl%d$!' all e&c%lpatory ev$de!ce( /%t they !ever do(

H: hat $s very real, $t rarely happe!s(

M: very t$me they do!.t do that, #hat #e sho%ld do $s char'e them, the! add: a p$rate

e!'a'ed $! a p$ract$cal e!terpr$se( hat o!e, they ca!!ot 'et o%t of(

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R: "t tr%ly comes do#! to the people( We have to %!lear! so m%ch of #hat #e have bee!

ta%'ht, 'o bac) $! a!d start add$!' #hat #e are tal)$!' abo%t $!to the paper#or) a!d sho#$!'

the stat%tes #here they are $! v$olat$o!( We m%st start brea)$!' $t do#! a!d shov$!' $t $! the$r

faces( hey are becom$!' a#are that more a!d more people are becom$!' )!o#led'eable(

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to come o! the$r sho#s thro%'ho%t the #ee)( " have bro%'ht them %p to speed o! #hat #e are

do$!'( "t $s 'ett$!' o%t( here are a lot more people #a!t$!' to )!o# abo%t %s tha! " have

real$-ed(

H: a!d from very small be'$!!$!'s( What the hec)( R$'ht $s R$'ht(

R: W$th #hat #e are teach$!', #e are '$v$!' the best ed%cat$o!, #e are brea)$!' $t do#!( "

th$!) " am e&pla$!$!' $t clearly e!o%'h for the avera'e perso! to %!dersta!d( " )!o# #e have

!e# people com$!' o! the l$!e( he !e# people !eed to 'et $!to the arch$ves to come %p to

speed beca%se $!$t$ally some of th$s #$ll be over the$r heads( "f they 'et $!to the arch$ves , they

#$ll catch %p #$th #hat #e are tal)$!' abo%t( "t $s !ot that hard( O!ce yo% %!dersta!d the

bas$cs, a!d o!ce yo% %!dersta!d the$r ;ob descr$pt$o! 5 of ho# they are s%pposed to operate

a!d ho# they are s%pposed to f%!ct$o!, $t $s !ot that hard to f$'%re th$s o%t( he hardest th$!' $s

to %!dersta!d the$r ;ob descr$pt$o!, b%t o!ce yo% %!dersta!d that, th$s $s a bree-e( "t $s s$mple(

"t $s ;%st ta)$!' t$me from o%r s$de to do $t(

7eople o! the l$!e have come %p #$th $!format$o! a!d se!t $t to me( " #as able to 'o thro%'h $t

a!d brea) $t do#!, loo) at $t a!d 'et a! %!dersta!d$!' of $t a!d br$!' $t o%t to the people( "t has

;%st ta)e! %s a #h$le to come %p #$th all of th$s $!format$o! a!d to 'et thro%'h all of the myths

a!d le'e!ds( hat $s #hy #e created the

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R: =es( Here a'a$!, th$s #as !ever ta%'ht $! school( lot of the p%bl$c off$c$als #ere !ever

ta%'ht a!y of th$s( hey are ;%st $! $t for the pay chec)( hey are ;%st follo#$!' the r%les a!d

re'%lat$o!s( We are brea)$!' $t do#! a!d e&pos$!' $t( hey !ever a!t$c$pated %s to start

d$''$!' $!to the h$story of all of th$s a!d e&pos$!' $t at th$s late date( "t has come to the place

#here they have become so arro'a!t abo%t #hat they are do$!', a!d so blata!tly( here #as a

boo) called Rotte! to the Core (

((: " )!o# yo% are stretched to the l$m$t r$'ht !o#( " ;%st occ%rred to me 5 #hy ca!.t yo% ta)e the

)!o#led'e that yo% have r$'ht !o# a!d p%t o%t a boo)+ hat #o%ld h$t the !at$o!.s best seller

l$st( "t co%ld act%ally be a paperbac), eve! small( "f yo% ;%st eve! p%t to'ether a lot of the

$!format$o! yo% already have, a!d p%t $t $!to a boo) a!d say that part t#o $s com$!'((or

#hatever( /%t th$s $s ;%st to let people )!o# that th$s $s #hat $s 'o$!' o! a!d e!co%ra'$!' them

to 'et $!to the la# a!d 'et themselves ed%cated( Come to the calls, #hatever( *%st p%t o%t a

boo)(

H: ! eboo)(

R: " do !ot have a!yo!e #ho ca! do th$s for me( " do !ot )!o# ho# to do $t(

here are people o%t there #ho #o%ld help $f yo% #ere #$ll$!' to do $t(

R: " have had people as) me( " !eed someo!e #ho ca! type a!d #r$te $! order to 'et th$s $!to a

boo), b%t " do !ot )!o# of a!yo!e #ho #$ll come do#! a!d spe!d the t$me to do $t(

( ll #e have to do $s p%t o%t a call as)$!' $f there $s someo!e there #ho ca! do th$s( Co!tact

Rod, or co!tact Harvey, or #hatever( Co!tact a!yo!e they reco'!$-e o! the call so that #e ca!

'et yo% co!!ected, beca%se " )!o# there are people o%t there( M$chael !tho!yhere $s o!e(

H: D$d yo% 'et that seco!d ed$t from *%dy o! the a!ders seco!d ob;ect$o!(

R: " rece$ved the f$rst o!e(

H: he 'ave yo% a seco!d ed$t( he re;$''ered $t(

" bel$eve yo% really have a ma!tle, that God has p%t o! a ma!tle for yo% ;%st l$)e he d$d for

Dav$d to 'o after Gol$ath( =o% have a ma!tle o! yo% r$'ht !o#( We tal) abo%t the best #ay, b%t

the med$a $s scre#ed %p a!d co!trolled, b%t yo% ca! p%bl$sh boo)s( hat $s #hat " #o%ld do( "

th$!) that $s #hat yo% !eed to do a!d $t does !ot have to be t#o $!ches th$c), eve! tho%'h $t

probably #o%ld be that #$th #hat yo% already have( ve! someo!e #ho #o%ld be #$ll$!' to 'o

to the arch$ves a!d tra!scr$be, ;%st 'o$!' from a to - $! the h$story( here are some bac) there

that #ere so treme!do%s #here $t sa$d th$s $s #here $t started( here #ere the charters,*amesto#! la#(these are the ma$! th$!'s( Go %p po$!t by po$!t to the prese!t( hat co%ld be

$! the f$rst sect$o!( he! yo% co%ld 'o o! to the seco!dhere #e are !o#, a!d th$s $s #hat $s

'o$!' o!( here co%ld be d$ffere!t areas, s%ch as foreclos%re a!d the "R( h$s $s #hat they

are do$!'( o# #e are $! the ta& co%rt, a!d th$s $s #hat $s 'o$!' o!( "t #o%ld !ot ta)e that lo!',

based o! all of the $!format$o! yo% already have( "t $s ;%st a matter of collect$!' $t a!d p%tt$!' $t

to'ether(

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R: hat $s #hy #e have the arch$ves( ll of th$s $s recorded( here $s ;%st so m%ch here(

ll $t #o%ld ta)e $s someo!e #ho )!o#s ho# to d$ctate( ype a!d d$ctate( here are people

#ho are pa$d to do that( " am ;%st say$!', from #hat $s 'o$!' to come o%t, they co%ld 'et a bac)

e!d )$!d of comm$ss$o! for #hat they d$d o! the fro!t e!d(

H: h$s $s R$chard $! Btah RBE( " am a profess$o!al ed$tor a!d copy ed$tor( " ed$ted a

ma'a-$!e called 7ercept$o!s o! th$s s%b;ect bac) $! the m$d 90.s( " have a co%ple of boo)s o%t(

" am $!terested to tal) to yo% to see $f there $s someth$!' #e ca! #or) o%t #here " ca! help o%t(

( here yo% 'o, Rod( ee #hat " am tal)$!' abo%t(

RB: =o% have to tha!) my #$fe for that( he #as o! the call, #atch$!' for the spea)er pho!e(

" #as o! the pho!e call$!' people for ssembly calls for tomorro# for Btah( he sa$d: N=o%.ve

'ot to here th$s, $t.s Rod( He !eeds help.( o #e #$ll tha!) M$chelle o! th$s also(

( hat $s #hat " am say$!'( "f yo% are #$ll$!' they #$ll come(

R: h$s $s o!e of the reaso!s #hy #e are record$!' all of th$s( h$s #ay someo!e ca! 'o $!

a!d #r$te some of th$s o%t( here $s ;%st so m%ch )!o#led'e here( We are here to try to help(

We are here to ed%cate( Whe! Mar$e a!d " started th$s $! 200 5 #he! " bro%'ht o%t my

$mpeachme!t o! yo%r sho#( h$s $s bas$cally the ed%cat$o!al pro'ram, br$!'$!' people %p to

speed, ed%cat$!' them o! the r%le of la#(

Whe! " started the $mpeachme!t st%ff, " act%ally bro)e do#! #here $t #as $! Co!st$t%t$o!, ho#

th$s #as s%pposed to #or)( Whe!ever yo% br$!' char'es, yo% br$!' $! the rt$cles a!d sho#

them #here they v$olated the$r off$ce %!der the Co!st$t%t$o!, m$sco!d%cta!d br$!' $t all $!(

hat $s #here #e started br$!'$!' $! the !ot$ce of felo!$es a!d aff$dav$ts po$!t all of th$s o%t(

What yo% #ere do$!' $! the co%rtrooms a'a$!st the ;%d'es, bas$cally, $s do$!' a! $mpeachme!to! them( =o% are !ot do$!' $t %!der the rt$cles of ho# they v$olated the$r Co!st$t%t$o!al oaths,

yo% are act%ally po$!t$!' o%t $! the d$ffere!t sect$o!s of the la# #here they are co!ceal$!' a!d

s%ppress$!' ev$de!ce, obstr%ct$o! of ;%st$ce, $!terfer$!' #$th federal state stat%tes? yo% are

com$!' $! a!d sho#$!' #here they are v$olat$!' the$r proced%res beca%se they are !o do$!'

the$r ;obs properly( hey are totally def$c$e!t( =o% are act%ally do$!' a! $mpeachme!t, b%t yo%

are act%ally br$!'$!' $! the stat%tes $!stead of Co!st$t%t$o!al $ss%es( =o% are act%ally br$!'$!' $!

the la#s(

H: he$r proced%re(

R: =es( We had the co!versat$o! last !$'ht #here Dave /%ess bro%'ht %p that they #ere

m$s%s$!' h$s !ame( He $s absol%tely r$'ht( /y 'o$!' bac) $! a!d br$!'$!' %p: #here d$d the

cap$tal$-at$o! come from? ho# d$d th$s come abo%t( "t came o%t of the tyle Ma!%al, %!der the

!o%!s a!d pro!o%!s, p%!ct%at$o!( "t came from e&as dm$!$strat$ve Code, %!der

Corporat$o!s, %!der Chapter 9, sect$o! 9(1 +++E o# #e are sho#$!' th$s a!d ma)$!' a!

$ss%e( =o% sho# me #here yo% are !ot br$!'$!' me $! as a corporat$o!( Here $s the proof of

ho# yo% are br$!'$!' me $!( =o% are say$!' that #e ca!!ot char'e yo%, yo% are above the la#(

Well, !o( We #hat #e are say$!' $s that $f yo% are 'o$!' to char'e me, the! there has to be a

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real $!;%red party( =o% have to br$!' me $! as a real perso!( =o% ca!!ot br$!' me $! as a

corporat$o! a'a$!st a!other corporat$o! beca%se remember 5 here $s the h$story of the

colo!$es, %!der the reaty of 7ar$s, that they had to )eep the$r corporate stat%s( =o% co%rtE

are operat$!' %!der corporate beca%se yo% #e!t $! %!der a! ct prov$d$!' 'e!eral la#, yo% re

def$!ed the #ord Nperso!. to be a corporate( Here are the %preme Co%rt case la#s( =o% have

a!ta Cla$re vs B!$o! 7ac$f$c, the B vs e# =or), the B vs Do!!a Wh$ttey sp+++E( ll ofthese def$!e a corporat$o! to be a perso!( o#, sho# me #here yo% are !ot br$!'$!' me $! as

a corporat$o!(

H: "f yo% 'o bac) to that a!ta Cla$re case, that case !ever had the op$!$o! that a corporat$o!

sho%ld have bee! called a perso!( hat #as a head !ot to the case that #as #r$tte! by a co%rt

reporter( herefore, the$r #hole bas$s for the$r 1399 la# $s based o! sa!d(

R: What $s #as they #ere to 'o bac) $! a!d '$ve corporat$o! a 16thme!dme!t sta!d$!'(

H: R$'ht( !d ho# ca! yo% do that to a f$ct$o!al e!t$ty(

R: hat $s e&actly r$'ht( hat $s part of the fra%d(

Where " that $! the tyle Ma!%al+

R: B!der 7%!ct%at$o!s, !o%!s a!d pro!o%!s(

Whe! yo% 'o $! a!d start of address$!' th$s $! yo%r paper#or) a!d yo% start p%tt$!' $t $! to them,

they may !ot #a!t to address $t( he th$!' $s, yo% have to br$!' $t %p( he ;%d'e may overr%le

$t( he po$!t $s that yo% are ma)$!' the $ss%e, yo% are address$!' $t, yo% are br$!'$!' $t %p(

H: =o% are p%tt$!' $t o! the record(

R: =es yo% are( =o% are p%tt$!' $t o! the record( =o% are act%ally p%tt$!' $t $!to thepaper#or)( /y do$!' th$s, yo% are start$!' to e&pose the fra%d, br$!'$!' $t to the$r atte!t$o!,

ma)$!' them a#are that yo% are a#are of all of th$s(

H: story ;%st crossed my des) today from "!d$a!a( "! "!d$a!a there $s a la#yer #ho $s try$!'

to ma)e a K200 f$!e for people #ho co!test t$c)ets beca%se they f$!d la# that says that the

t$c)ets are !ot val$d, that yo% do have a r$'ht to travel, etc( Ca! yo% $ma'$!e that( !d they #$ll

probably pass $t(

R: What yo% are deal$!' #$th $s that yo% have la#yers #ho are ma)$!' case la#( Case la# $s

made my la#yers( Ho#ever they #a!t to 'o bac) a!d r%! $t $s ho# they come %p #$th $t(

H: Ho# they #a!t to %se the$r #ords to co!f%se the hell o%t of yo% #he! yo% try to read $t(

R: hat $s e&actly r$'ht( " had a 'e!tleme! call me #ho #a!ts to 'o bac) $! a!d f$le paper#or)

$!to the %preme Co%rt( he problem $s, yo% have to do $t #$th a 4 P by 9 P boo)let form o!

both s$des a!d there are very fe# p%bl$shers aro%!d here that #$ll do th$s for yo%( !d, yo%

have to do 60 cop$es(

H: Ho#ever, #e do !o# have comp%ters, a!d that $s e&celle!t(

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Callers:

M$chael: Rece!tly " have bee! very blessed( " am #or)$!' #$th a ret$red ;%d'e from

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"f yo% do a boo), the! people ca! have $t $! the$r ha!ds a!d st%dy $t( "t #$ll reach more

people( /es$des that, #$th yo% phys$cal $ss%es, th$s #o%ld be a lot eas$er to reach o%t a!d 'et

people a#are of th$s( /el$eve me, #he! that 'ets passed aro%!d, $t #$ll 'o l$)e hot ca)es(

*%st l$)e $! a!y classroom, yo% !eed that J sect$o! , eve! $f yo% have $t r$'ht $! fro!t of

yo%, $! a te&t, $! a #or)boo)(

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7G declarat$o!+ " sho#ed $t to someo!e a!d he d$sp%ted $t( What

they d$d, they cop$ed $t( " sa$d, #ell, OI, let me as) yo%#hat d$d yo% do hereho# do yo% 'et

to that pos$t$o!#hat $s the f$rst step#hat do yo% do#ho do yo% se!t !ot$ce to(( He d$d !ot

have a cl%e(

What " am say$!' $s that $f yo% have e&per$e!ced people, people #ho have do!e the research,

that are 'ood researchers, that have fo%'ht $! co%rt at d$ffere!t levels, the! " am say$!', )eep a

small 'ro%p( ra$! that 'ro%p a!d the! let that 'ro%p c$rc%late from b%t ta)e

o!e+at a t$me( Let.s say, for a #ee)e!d, a!d the! yo% are !ot 'o$!' to

e&ha%st yo%rself( hey are !ot 'o$!' to e&ha%st themselves(

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M: o %!leash Rod $s l$)e %!leash$!' the veready /%!!y(

R: We have d$ffere!t ave!%es #$th #h$ch #e ca! #or), b%t there $s so m%ch here for )!o#led'e

a!d be$!' able to e&pla$! $t( =o% people have bee! #$th me for the last several years( =o%

have had a cha!ce to 'o bac) a!d loo) a!d val$date #hat so%!ded l$)e so m%ch of a f$ct$o!al

set%p( We have act%ally proved that $t #as !ot f$ct$o!al( "t $s act%ally real( h$s $s 'o$!' to be

part of the problem( "! someo!e $s read$!' a boo), are they 'o$!' to be able to brea) $t do#!(

lso, re'ard$!' a 7%bl$sherdo they really #a!t to 'o $! a!d e&pose th$s m%ch of the

corr%pt$o!( " have heard of cases #here people have tr$ed th$s a!d the p%bl$shers do !ot #a!t

to ta)e the r$s), #h$ch $s %!dersta!dable, beca%se they do !ot #a!t to lose #hat they have(

here $s a! opport%!$ty here(

he Lord #$ll ma)e a #ay( Do!.t yo% #orry abo%t that(

R: =es, " %!dersta!d that(

" have told people that they m$'ht be over#helmed #he! yo% come to the calls, b%t $f yo%

;%st )eep l$ste!$!', ;%st )eep l$ste!$!', eve! $f yo% do !ot %!dersta!d( " have had a co%ple ofpeople say that $t #as #ay over the$r heads, b%t " ;%st tell them to )eep l$ste!$!'(

R: "t $s l$)e #he! yo% start school, #he! yo% 'et $!to school, $t $s someth$!' yo% are !ot %sed to,

$t ta)es t$me to lear!, to brea) $!( =o% have heard so m%ch of the patr$ot st%ff a!d so m%ch of

the myth( We are act%ally brea)$!' do#! a!d e&pla$! a lot of the myth, of the or$'$!, a!d $t $s

!ot F%$te #hat yo% tho%'ht $t #as, a!d yo% are f$!d$!' the real$ty of $t( "t does ma)e a b$'

d$ffere!ce #$th #hat #e are do$!'(

( Whe! yo% do #r$te yo%r boo), the preface $s 'o$!' to be very $mporta!t( he very f$rst part

$s 'o$!' to be very $mporta!tho# yo% lay o%t #hat $s $! the boo), to prepare people for #hat $s

$! $t(

R: hat $s someth$!' #e m$'ht have to (

( " am ;%st lett$!' yo% )!o#(

R: s " sa$d, " have had a co%ple of people #ho have tal)ed to me abo%t do$!' a boo)( " ;%st

do!.t have a!yo!e that " )!o# that " co%ld do th$s #$th(

=o% #$ll, tho%'h(

!other Caller*R

*R: " )!o# that #e have arch$ves( " th$!) somet$mes $t #o%ld help $f $t #as tra!scr$bed( /e$!'

tra!scr$bed, the 'e!tlema! #ho vol%!teered #o%ld have a! eas$er of method of cate'or$-$!' the

boo)(

R: We have a lady, %t%m! /reyer sp+E $! 7e!!sylva!$a( he #as try$!' to 'et some help to

'et $!to the arch$ves to do th$s( " do !ot )!o# #hether or !ot she #as able to 'et the

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ass$sta!ce( he called me a!d as)ed me $f there #as a problem #$th her do$!' th$s( " sa$d !o,

by all mea!s 'o ahead(

Carl: G$ve her my ema$l or #hatever( " #$ll sh$p $t to her o! a cd or #hatever she !eeds(

(hat $s #hat #e call people, vol%!teer$!'( tepp$!' for#ard(

R: he $s !ot o! here !o#, b%t she comes o! every so ofte! a!d she has as)ed abo%t do$!'

th$s( here $s a lot of $!format$o! that #e have over the years(

Carl: he o!ly dra#bac) " ca! see $s that somet$mes #e 'et off o! a ta!'e!t, so " do !ot )!o# $f

a 100S f%ll tra!scr$pt$o! #o%ld be !ecessary, or absol%te( o that $s %p to her, or yo%(

R: We sho%ld ;%st 'o bac) $! a!d ;%st deal #$th the top$c #e #ere deal$!' #$th a!d ;%st #$pe o%t

the other st%ff(

ct%ally, yo% co%ld bl$p $t o%t, e&cept some of that st%ff $s $mporta!t too( =o% co%ld ;%st set $t

as$de( a)e $t b%t set $t as$de for the m$scella!eo%s(

!other Caller 5 Dere)8$r'$!$a

D8 " l$)e the d$rect$o! th$s $s 'o$!' as far as 'o$!' bac) $!to the arch$ves a!d p$ec$!' to'ether

all of that $!format$o!( " am #$ll$!' to vol%!teer $f $t mea!s loo)$!' at a spec$f$c s%b;ect a!d

f$!d$!' all of the areas #$th$! the arch$ves that deal #$th that part$c%lar s%b;ect(

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#as try$!' to ma)e th$s $!format$o! ava$lable to the p%bl$c, to ma)e people a#are( " th$!) that

#$th all of #hat he has bro%'ht %p, yo% have to have a part$c%lar p%rpose for the boo)(

o#, he ca! come %p #$th a!other boo) to do that )$!d of st%ff, or a seco!d part( he $!$t$al

boo) $s 5 th$s $s #hat $s really 'o$!' o! o%t there( h$s $s #hat they have do!e to %s( h$s $s

#hy #he! yo% 'o $!to co%rt yo% are !ot 'ett$!' remedy( h$s $s #hat $s act%ally 'o$!' o!: a, b,

c, d, etc( Go thro%'h $t( he! there co%ld be a seco!d part to $t( Ma$!ly, $!$t$ally, there has to be

a p%rpose to th$s boo)( What $s $t( o totally ed%cate everyo!e( o( here $s !o #ay he ca! do

that( "f the p%rpose of the boo) $s to 'et $t o%t there so that the people are 'o$!' to say: WH,

H" " WH H= R DO"G( "t $s !ot +E to 'et everyo!e r$led %p a!d say, hey th$s $s

#hat they have do!e to %s( "t $s !ot for everyo!e to all of a s%dde! 'o: o)ay, !o# " )!o# ho# to

f$le $! someth$!' $!to co%rt 5 $t $s to 'et the people to r$se %p a!d say: #a$t a m$!%te, th$s $s !ot

r$'ht( !d to become a#are, r$se %p a!d do someth$!' abo%t $t( hat $s the p%rpose of $t,

beca%se people are !ot a#are( hey do !ot )!o# #hat $s 'o$!' o!( Maybe a part t#o, or

#hatever(

!other th$!' $s that as lo!' as there $s e!o%'h $!format$o! $! there to '$ve them a 'ood $dea,they ca! 'o a!d research from there( t least they #$ll )!o# #here to 'o to loo)( hat has

bee! my problem( ve! !o#, $f " come %p #$th a F%est$o! " am !ot s%re #here to eve! 'o to

loo) to f$!d the a!s#er( "f #e have some code a!d t$tles 5 th$s $s #here yo% 'o to f$!d th$s, etc,

that $s the )$!d of th$!' that co%ldsho%ld be the p%rpose( =o% have to dec$de o! the p%rpose,

a!d perhaps a part t#o(

Ma$!ly, the #hole reaso! the s%b;ect came %p #as to 'et people a#are( hat $s the ma$! th$!'(

D8: " totally a'ree, a!d maybe " am !ot e&press$!' myself $! the ma!!er that #$ll 'et my po$!t

across( " am 100S a'ree$!' #$th #hat yo% are say$!'( Whe! " spea) of the bas$cs, that $s #hat

" am tal)$!' abo%t( h$s $s #hat $s 'o$!' o!( hese are the bas$c th$!'s that yo% !eed to )!o#

to %!dersta!d that th$s $s #hat $s 'o$!' o!( hat $s #hat " am tal)$!' abo%t #he! " say that(

H: pl%' for the ema$l l$st( "f yo% are !ot o! the ema$l l$st that comes o%t from

###(rayservers(com , here $s ho# to 'et o! $t( e!d a! ema$l to rodclass

s%bscr$beUrayservers(com( =o% #$ll be p%t o! the l$st a!d #he! Rod sets %p a! emer'e!cy

call, yo% #$ll be $!formed( h$s $s for those #ho are !ot part of the messa'e board, a!d the

people #ho already 'et the rayservers %pdate from #he! #e started th$s a co%ple #ee)s a'o,

yo% do !ot !eed to s%bscr$be( h$s $s for the W people(

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