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Dave: You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisaboutthelargestmuscleinyourbody.Ifyoudon'tknowwhatitis,it'sactuallyyourgluteusmaximus.Astheysay,babygotback.What'sthesmallestmuscle?Thisisoneyouprobablyhaven'treallythoughtabout,solistencarefully.It'scalledthestapediusmuscleand,ofcourse,it'sinyourinnerear,whichiswhyyou'relisteningcarefully.It'saboutfivehundredthsofaninch,anditstabilizesthesmallestboneinyourbodycalledthestapesorstape-is.Ihavenoidea,theseLatinwords,Ihavenoideahowtopronounceit,butitlookslikestapleswithouttheL.

Italsohelpsprotectyoufromloudnoises,oreventhesoundofyourownvoice.Believeitornot,Ibelieveit'sabsolutelypossibletotrainthatmuscle,too.It'sjusthard.There'sacoupletechnologiesletyoudothat,butwe'renotgoingtotalkaboutearmusclestoday,becausewe'vegotsomebiggerthingstodealwith.That'skindofabitforeshadowingwhoourguestistoday.

Beforewetalkabouttoday'samazingguest,whoI'vewantedtointerviewforyears,ifyouhaven'theardaboutthebenefitsofcamelmilk,it'stotallyworthyourtimetolookintothisassomethingyoucouldaddtoyourBulletproofdiet.CamelmilkissomethingthatIlearnedaboutfromWalid,theownerofDesertFarms,who'sthelargestsellerofcamelmilkoutthere.Camelmilkgotitsstartintheautismcommunitybecauseit'snonreactivethewaycowmilkis,andnowit'sjustbecomeoneofthenewsuperfoods

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Today'sguest,I'msoexcitedaboutthis,isCharlesPoliquin.Charlesisaworldrenownedstrengthandconditioningeducatorandcoach.He'shelpedsomeoftheworld'smosteliteathletescompletelykickasswithhundredsofmetals,wins,andpersonalbestin17differentsports.He'sworkedwithchampions,Olympians,athletes,NHL,NFL;writtenafewbooks,oneofwhichyou'regoingtolearnabouttoday,andhundredsofarticlesabouthistechniques;decadesofglobaltraining;andherunsStrengthSensei,avaluableonlineresourcearoundtraining,performanceforathletesandcoaches.

He'salso,justonapersonalnote,he'soneofthefirstbiohackersoutthere.Whenyoulookattheworldofbiohacking,there'sthestrengthandconditioningside,there'sthenutritionside,there'sthemedicalside,there'sthecrazybiofeedback,there'smilitary,specialops,resources,andallsortsofthings.We'redoingfreedivers,WimHoffkindofpolarbearpeople.WhatCharleshasbeendoingforlongerthanmostofthosepeopleislookingatthedetails,thethingsthathappeninsideyourbody,thingsthathappenoutsideyourbody.Howthesignalyousendtoyourmuscleschangesyourbody,andcomeupwiththingsthatwereabsolutelypissingofftheworldthathesaidinthe'80sthathavebeenproventodaytobetrue.

Charles,it'sanhonortohaveyouon.Welcometotheshow.

Charles: Thankyouverymuch,David.


Dave: I'mlookingatyounowontheYouTubevideoversionofthis,andyou'reaboutwhat,55now?

Charles: 55exactly,yes.

Dave: CanIseeyourbiceps?Lookatthat.Theguy'scompletelyripped.You'vegotabout16yearsonme.I'mhopingthatIlookasgoodasyou,or,heck,halfwayasgoodasyouwhenI'm60,givenIprobablydon'ttrainnearlyasmuchasyoudo.Whydoyoufocusonmaintainingmusclemassasyouagelikethis?What'simportantaboutthat?

Charles: Asearlyasthe'80sinBoston,theydidquiteafewstudiesatTuftswheretheylookedatwhatcouldpredictaging.Thenumberoneantiagingparameterthatyoucould,wasactuallymusclemass.Thenumbertwowasstrength.Itout-shinedcholesterol,highbloodpressure,restingheartrate,maxheartrate,andalltheseotherfactors.Thethingisthatthere'saphenomenoncalledsarcopenia,whichisdeathofmuscles,andwelosestrength,butonephenomenonnowmorestudiedbytheItaliansisactuallydynapenia,lossofstrength.

There'salotofexcitingresearchnowonpeptidesthatwouldslowdowndynapeniaandsarcopenia.Oneofthewaystostayyoungisactuallyhowmuchmusclemasscanyouretainandhowmuchstrength.Themoreyoutrainthelessyouage,basically.Peoplesayokay,bigmuscles,"doi."Whatyouhavetoconsideriswhenyouhavelargemusclemass,youalsohavemoreinsulinreceptorsites.Weknowthatinsulinisthehormoneofaging.That'swhatyou'reallabout.Ifyouhavealotofmusclemass,yourabilitytocontrolyourglucose,controlyourinsulinisenhanced.

Intheirlate80speoplewillbreakhipbonesandwhatever,butifyouhavestrengthyouhavemorebalance.There'sactuallyaverygoodstudydoneonwhatwasthemostimportantinaParkinsonpatient.Iwasconsultedontheirprotocol,buttheyaskedshouldtheydobalanceexercises,shouldtheydoaerobicwork,orshouldtheydobalanceandweighttraining,orbalanceandaerobicwork.ItwasoneofthosewhatIcallano-shit-Sherlockstudy,whichisthattheresultsshowedthatbalanceandstrengthtraininghelped.Itoldthem,Isaid,"Aerobicworkwillworsenthepatients,"anditdid.Isaidyoudon'tneedtodothestudy,buttheysaid,"Noweneedto."Isaid,"Okay."

Theydidthestudy,andoneoftheproblemsofaerobicworkisthatitoxidizesthebody.Ifyoulookatstudiesonlong-termathletes,theoneswiththelesscognitiveabilityareactuallytheoneswhohavedonethemostaerobicworkintheirlifetime.Socross-countryskiersorrowers,ifyoumeanttocomparetheircognitiveabilityintheir70scomparedtoaweightlifterorawrestlerorvolleyball,theirbrainsaresharper.Ialwaystellmystudents,weweredesignedtothrowarockatarabbit,notchaseit.Wedon'tfeedourselvesaerobically.

Ithinkpeoplearenow...There'sbeenachangeinattitudetowardstrengthtraining.Nowweknow,forexample,topreventosteopenia,whichislossofbone,strengthtrainingisveryvaluableand[inaudible00:10:15]areprobablythebestresearchersrightnow.


Dave: YousaidacouplethingsthatIwanttodiginon.Oneofthemisdefinitelyaroundthepeptides,andwe'llgetthere,buttheotherthingyousaidwasjustthataerobicexerciseisn'tgoingtobegoodforyourbrain.I'veseensomestudiesthatkindofmakememadaroundtelomersthatsayifyouifyou'redoing50mileruns,theseultralong-distancerunnerswhoIbelievearekindofbeatingthecrapoutoftheirbodies,theygetreallylongtelomers.SomeinterestingantiagingstuffthatBillAndrewshastalkedabout.Iaminyourcampfirmlyaftermanyyearsofdoingbothcardioandweights.IdooccasionalveryheavystuffthatbendsmybonesasmuchasIcan.Ihavemachinesthatbendmybonestocausebonedensity,andImeasureitonDEXAandallthatkindofstuff.Butwhataboutthestudiesthatsayaerobicexercisedoeshaveantiaging.Canyoutellmeyourperspectiveonthose?

Charles: Ihaven'treadthose,soI'mnotgoingtocomment.

Dave: Okay.

Charles: Butinmy...I'veseenplentythatshowthat...Forexample,wedida....sportskindofdidresearchonosteopeniainfemaleOlympiansforthe'92Olympics,andwhattheyfoundisthattherewasalsoadirectcorrelationbetweenmileageofaerobicworkandlossofbone.That'sbeenconfirmedbyothergroupsofresearchersaroundtheworld.Maybeithelpsthetelomers,butifyoudon'thaveahiptosupportyourselfon,sowhat?

Igrewupinthe'60s,andtherewasCooper,andaerobicwasgreatandblah,blah,blah,thenthentheysuddenlypulleda180onusonthat.Ifyoulookatmitochondrialdamageorevengutliningdamagefromaerobicwork,theresultsarenotpromising.Theproblemwithscienceisthatyouhavetotakeonevariableandthat'stheoneyoumeasure,andyoucan'tlookateverything.Also,inreallifeyoucan'tlookattheworldthroughastraw.Thismayhelpthis,butattheexpensiveofwhat,right?That'swhyIpreferstudiesonlong-termathletes,andthensay,"Okay,let'scompareaweightliftertoawrestler,orlet'scomparewhatever."

Dave: IdidalotoflookingatthisjustforHeadstrong,thenewbookonmitochondriathat'sreallymeantforthebrain,justthroughthelensofwhat'sgoingtogrowthemostmitochondria.There'sasetofresearchthatsaysliftingheavyisgoingtogetthatforyou,andthenthere'sasetofresearchthatsayswalkingfor20minutesadayisgoingtogetthatforyou.Butnotrunning.Nottheintensestuff.Sotherecommendationsaremovealittlebiteveryday,whichisgoingtostimulatethat.

Charles: Yes.

Dave: IusetheBulletproofVibe,thewholebodyvibration,becauseit'salittlefasterthangoingforawalkandyougetstimulationthere.Thenlikeliftingheavy,inmycasemygoalisn'ttobeasmuscularasyou,buttobemuscular,orIguesstheNewYorkTimescalledmealmostmuscular,whichisfromanantiagingperspective,Ithink,whereIwanttobe.Thatwasacompliment,Ihope.Thegoalisthat.Onceaweek,orevenonceevery10or15days,seemstobeenoughasanon-athlete.


Charles: Correct.

Dave: DoyouthinkthatImightbeunder-trainingonstrengthifI'mmaintainingthemusclemassI'mlookingfor?

Charles: ThethingisthatIwouldprobablyincreasethevolumetomaybetwiceaweek.

Dave: Twiceaweek.Wow.

Charles: Thethingis,isthatareyoutryingtowhattheycallBarbarian.No,right?

Dave: Nah.

Charles: ThethingIwouldsayisitwouldbebettertohaveashortworkouttwiceaweek,solet'ssay20minutestwiceaweek,then40minutesonceevery10days.

Dave: Ionlydo15minutesonceevery10days,butI'mdoingitwithcomputer-drivenfeedbackequipment,soI'mbasicallyusingtheARX,whichI'mfightingagainstawinch,soit'sessentiallylikeisometricsagainstamovingplane,soyougetreallyrapidmuscleexhaustion.Idon'tthinkIcoulddoa40-minuteworkoutonthatmachine.Itwouldkillme.

Charles: Okay,butthat'swhyyoumaywanttoupyourfrequency.

Dave: Okay.I'llplaywiththat.I'minmymid-forties.Let'stalkaboutpeptides.Yousaidthere'ssomenewstuffaboutpeptides.Iputon12poundsofmuscleinthelastmonthwithbasicallythreeworkouts,whichisunbelievabletome,butI'musingSARMs,SelectiveAndrogenReceptorModulators.Arethosethepeptidesyou'retalkingabout,orsomethingelse?

Charles: ApeptideandaSARMsisadifferentthing,asfarascompounds.

Dave: Okay.

Charles: TheSARMs,that'sanotherthingthat'sveryexciting,liketheRAD140,itseemstobeveryefficient.

Dave: Ihaven'teventriedRAD140.I'mdoing4033and50156.Bytheway,foreveryonelistening,there'sablogpostonBulletproofaboutthedifferentselectiveandrogenreceptormodifiers.They'reallresearchchemicals.Someofthemareprobablybannedbysportingbodies,buttheyseemtoworkreallywell.ThereasonIdiditwasbecauseoneofthemgivesyoua50percentincreaseinmitochondria.I'mlike,"I'lltakethat,thanks."

Charles: Yeah.


Dave: Anyway,justforsomepeople.Idon'twanttobetootechnicalwithoutdefiningterms.Goahead.

Charles: Thethingis,justforexample,there'sapeptideIjustgotapaperwheretheytook...Okay,it'sanannualmodel,buttheyonpurposedamagedthesciaticnerve,andtheninjectedwithapeptidecalledcortigen.Therewasregenerationofthenervewiththatpeptide.

Dave: Wow.

Charles: Theinterestingthingisthatonereasonwhywelosemusclemassisthedamagedonetothenervesasweage.Thatcompound,inmyopinion,isthewaytogo.LastweekIhadaconversationwithJeanClaude[inaudible00:16:33]attheUniversityofMontreal.he'sgoingtodoaPhDthesis,andhewasaskingme,"Whatprotocoldoyourecommend?"Isaid,"Well,gotoaretirementcommunity,afteryougoliftweightsinjectbacteriostaticwaterandhavetheotheroneshavethecortigenandseewhatitdoes."Apparentlythat'swhathe'sgoingtodoforhisPhD.

Dave: Wow.

Charles: Dynapeniaisnowthewordinantiaginginmyfield.

Dave: DanPena,yousaid?

Charles: Dyna,likedynamic.

Dave: Oh,dyna.Okay,cool.Okay.

Charles: Lossofdynamicstomusclestrength.

Dave: Oh,sorry.Ihadaglitchthere.DanPenahasbeenaguestontheshow.I'mlike,"He'slikeagazillionaireintheUK.What?"Sosorry,youcompletelylostme.Hedoesantiagingstuff.Okay.Thisideaoflossofstrengthversuslossofmass.Beingbulkyandweakisactuallyprobablyworsethanbeinglessbulkyandstrong?

Charles: Oneofthethingsisthatyoucan'tseparatethenervoussystemfromthemuscle,soifyouliftweightsandgetbulky,yournervoussystemgetsthebenefit,butprobablytheidealcombinationforantiagingwouldactuallybesomethingthatworksatthenervelevelandsomethingthatworksatthemusclelevel.I'mquiteexcitedaboutthat.I'mthinkinginthenextfewyearswe'regoingtoseemoreandmorepapersthatillustratedynapeniaandsarcopeniatogether.

Dave: Thatisfascinating.WhenIdidthisthingwiththeSARMs,justbecausethisisthetopofmindforme,Ihaveacomputerthat'strackingmymax,likethemaxIcanliftonjustthebigfourmovements,squats,andpressesandthingslikethat,pulldowns.Ididatleast12percenthigheronmymaxandononeofthem20percenthigher,justoverthecourseofthreeweeksbyincreasingmitochondrialdensity.Iwascompletelyblown


away.Thatreallyexceededmyexpectations.Mymaxbeforewasreasonableforaguymysize,notthatinsane,butnotweakbyalongshot.

WhatwouldalistenertodaywhowantedtoreversetheirmusclelossmaybewithoutgoingtoSARMsorwantingtoincreasetheirstrength?Whatisthefastestwaytheycouldgoaboutgettingevensomekindofgainslikethat?DotheyneedtogotoSARMsorisitjustatrainingthing?

Charles: Okay,Iwouldsaytrainingwouldhavemoreofanimpact,buttheSARMsinconjunctionwithtrainingwouldbetwoplustwoequalsfive.

Dave: Okay.

Charles: Ithasamultiplyingeffect.ButIthinkifyoujustdidtheSARMsandsatonthecouch,itwouldn'tbeatwo,itwouldbeapointtwo.

Dave: Apointtwo.

Charles: Soyoudoneedthatstimulus.It'slikebasicallyyouhaveafire,andifyoublowaironthefire,thefiregoes.TheSARMwouldbetheamountofwindthatgoesonthefire,butyoustillhavetolightuptheflame,orthewindwillnotdomuchforit.Thenthere'stheMK177thatshowspromise.Ithink,thisistheoretical,butI'vedonealotofstufftheoreticallyinapracticalwaythat'sshownuptobetruth30yearslater.

Dave: That'swhyIlikeyou.

Charles: Ifyouputaguntomyheadandsaid,"Man,givemewhatyouthinkisyourbestguess,"Iwouldsayyouwoulddotwoweeksoflet'ssay8-12,thenchangecompletelytheexercise,changecompletelythespeed,and-

Dave: Whenyousay8-12,doyoumean8-12repsstackingweightup,forpeoplelistening?

Charles: Yeah,8-12repswhereyoureachmusclefailure,okay?

Dave: Okay,soasinglesetof8-12untilyoucan'tdoanotherone.Allright.

Charles: Ormultiple,butthepointisisthatyouworkinthatintensityzonewhichwouldbeabout70-78percentofyourmax.

Dave: Right.

Charles: ThenforanothertwoweeksIwouldchangetheSARMorchangethepeptide,andthengoeasy,like4-6reps.Thennextmonthstartwithanotherpeptideandkeepgoingwiththat,becauseIthinkwiththesethingsisthatthere'sthelawofdiminishingreturns.OnethingItellpeopleallthetimeisthatstrengthtrainingislikelearningaforeignlanguage.Youneedrepetition.IfIsaidawordtoyouinaforeignlanguageonce,you'renotgoingtorememberit.Researchshowsthatyouneedtorepeatthatwordatleastsixtimes.


Butifyoudo,let'ssayaSwedishlessonevery10days,theoddsthatyougrowyourSwedishwillbelow.There'ssuchathingasfrequency.Butifyou'redoingSwedishlessonsseventimesaday,youwillsay,"Mybraincan'thandleit."Thereisaneedforrest.Thereisaneedforstimulus.

Thethingisthatwhenyoulearnaforeignlanguage,howdoyouknowthatyoumasteredthelanguageiswhenyou'refunnyinit,right?Thinkforexamplethesentence,"Didhereallysayit?"IfItypedthatinanemail,doesitsay,"DidHEreallysayit,"or"DidheREALLYsayit,"or"DidhereallysayIT."Justbyputtingemphasisoneofthewords,asentencedoesn'tmeanthesamethingatall,eventhoughit'sthesamewords,right?Sowithstrengthtrainingyouhavetoputemphasisondifferentthings,sothat'showyoubuildupyourtrainingvocabulary.Ithinkthepeptideswouldbe...Strengthtrainingwouldbethevocabularyandthepeptideswouldbegrammar,right?

Dave: Wow,whatagreatanalogy.That'scool,Charles.

Charles: Yes.Thankyou.

Dave: Allright.Ithinkthatanswerforourlistenersisbasicallymixupyourstrengthtrainingacoupletimesaweek,andifyoudiddecidetouseSARMs,youmentionedseveralthere.IthinkIcovereditall,butIhaven'ttalkedaboutcortigenontheblogpostaboutSARMs.HaveyouwrittenaboutSARMs?Aretheyinyournewbook?

Charles: No,butIjustheardlastnighttheguyIbelievefrom[inaudible00:22:54]tostartwritingonthepeptidesandSARMs.

Dave: Okay,sowherecanpeoplefindthatstuff?IfyoulikeBulletproofRadioandyou'vebeenlisteningforawhileandyoulikethepeople,Charlesislike,ohgee,likereallyknowsmoreaboutbiohackingandnotthe...There'sdefinitelyabodybuildingormusclemasscomponenttowhathedoes,butbodycompositionandperformanceareactuallymorebehindwhathedoesthanjustthemusclebuildingstuffwe'retalkingaboutnow.Soifyou'renotfollowinghim,where'syourURLorwheredopeoplegotogetyournewsletter?Ireadit.It'sreallygood.

Charles: Strengthsensei.com.

Dave: Strengthsensei.com.Allright.

Charles: I'm55andobviouslymygoalisalotdifferentthanwhenIwas25.Like[inaudible00:23:46]said,ifat45youwerethesameguywhenyouwere18,youknowyouwastedquiteabitofyourlife.Ihavedifferentgoals.ButIthinkthatthepeptidesareveryexciting,especiallysomeofthestufftoregeneratecollagen,cartilage,likeBPC-157,theTB-500.I'veseenalotofmystudentswho'veforreasonX,Y,Zthey'vetornsomethingwiththeirmeniscusandtheygoonpeptidetherapyandthentheirliveschangebecausetheycanfinallygetoutofthepain.OneofthethingsIreallylike,unfortunately,theystoppedmakingitin[inaudible00:24:28]wasActovegin,whichwasbasically-


Dave: Howdoyouspellthat?Whatisit?

Charles: A-C-T-O-V-E-A-G-I-N.It'savealbloodextract,andprettymucheverybodythat'sfamousintheworldofsoccerortrackandfieldhashadActovegininjections.

Dave: Wow.

Charles: Thisstuffwillregeneratecartilage,andIcanswearbyit,becausemydoctor'sfromLuxembourg,andheprescribedittome,andonmyrightshoulderitcompletelyregeneratedthecartilage.ButnowonlyLithuaniamakesit,soit'sbeenhardertoget.Ifyou'recreative,youcangetit.

Dave: That'sinteresting.I'llhavetodosomeresearchonthat.Bytheway,ifyou'relisteningandyoudidn'tcatchthat,allofthesecompoundswillbeintheshownotesontheBulletproofwebsite,andthere'safulltranscriptyoucanreadaswell,soifyouwanttogobackandtakenotesonthis,that-

Charles: Iwillsendyouapictureoftheproduct.Icansendthattoyou.

Dave: Oh,cool.That'sreallyhelpful.I'llhavetofindawaytogetsomeandgiveitashotmyself.Ithinkthatthere'sprobablysomediscomfortfrompeoplelistening.We'retalkingaboutusingsomeresearchgradechemicals,thingsthathavebeenproveninlabs,butwedon'thave25yearsofdatatoshowthatthey'renotgoingtomakeyougrowneweyeballsorcancercellsorwhateverelse,butyouhaveathletesusingthem,you'veobviouslyusedsomeofthesethingsyourself.I'veusedthembecauseIlookedattherisk/reward,andtherewardisprettybigandtherisklooksprettylowgiventhemechanismsweknow.Howconcernedaboutsafetyareyouforallthesethings?

Charles: Iwanttomakeanotehere.Noneofmyathleteshaveusedthembecausetherepossiblycouldbe[inaudible00:26:16]anydata.

Dave: Okay.

Charles: ButIhavestudents,lotsofstudents,whoarenon-athletesthathaveusedthem.

Dave: Okay.Ihearyou.

Charles: Igetalotoffeedbackfromthetrenchesonhowgreattheyare.ButpersonallyIhaveusedpeptidesandActovegintoregeneratesofttissue,andIthinktheyworkreallywell.Ihavenoqualmsaboutthat.Thethingisthere'snotalotofresearchyet,butit'soneofthesethingshowmuchriskareyoutryingtotakefrom...Putitthisway,I'dratherbepain-freethannot,tobeinpain.OrifI'musinglikeoxycodoneoranythinglikethat.Anditactuallyregeneratesthejoint.Actovegin,Ifirstheardaboutitaround2004,andIcantellyouprettymuchthere'sacountry,Iwillonlyuseit'sinitials,Germany,wherealotofthesoccerplayershavebeentreatedbythisdoctoroutofMunichwithActovegin.It'snotabannedsubstance.Theywantedtobanit,I'veheard,in[inaudible00:27:41],butit'samiraclecompound.I'veseenalotofretiredathletesflytoMunich,gettreated


withthat.Golfershavebeenthere.Thecompoundistimetested.I'veneverheardofanybodyinthelast15yearshavinganyissueswithit.

Dave: Ifa50-year-oldCEOwho'sgotanextra20poundsofgut,fliesallthetime,andexercisesacoupleoftimesaweekifhe'slucky,andhe'slookingat,"Allright,Idon'tliketheflab.Idon'tlikemymusclemass,"isitappropriateforguyslikethattostartthinkingaboutincorporatingpeptides,orshouldtheyjustgostraightontestosteronereplacement,becauseyouknowifyou're50yourtestosteroneislowanyway.

Charles: Thefirstthingtheyshoulddoisgetafullpanel,right?Becausealotoftimeguyshavelowtestosteronebecausetheydon'tmanagetheirinsulinproperly.

Dave: Let'sgotothat,yeah.

Charles: Thesecondmostimportantfactor,andsomepeoplethinkitisthemostimportantfactor,andIwouldtendtoagree,issleepquality.Ifyoulookat...There'salotofresearchonwhatdoesboosttestosterone,butonethingthatweknowthatworksin100percentofsubjectsisdeepsleep.Butpeoplelookatscreens.Itellpeopleifyouwantgoodsleep,stoplookingatscreensthreehoursbeforeyougotobed.

Dave: Yeah.

Charles: There'sthat.It'saffectingtheirpituitaryglandandwhateverelse.Magnesiumdeficiencywilldisruptyoursleep.Iwouldsaytoyourlisteners,there'ssevencheaptestsyoucando,evenifyoudon'thaveinsuranceandyoupayoutofyourpocket.YoucangotoaplacelikeAnyTestorAnyHoworwhateverthatbrandis,andwriteyourownscript.Thethingthat'smostimportantinmyopinionisHbA1c,glycatedhemoglobin.

Dave: Yes.

Charles: Ifyousayyouonlyhave$40toinvestinyourhealth,checkthatout.Ofcourse,thelowerpercentageofthatmoleculethehealthieryouare,butifyou're6.8thenyou'remaybediabeticafteryournextsoda.That'swhenyou'reontheedge.Sodaislike,[inaudible00:30:03]saysit'sliquidsin.YougetyourHbA1candyoutrytobringitdownatleastbelow4.8.Sothosearethetests.VitaminD3is[inaudible00:30:15]allthecausesofmortality.IfyourD3ishorrendous,you'remorepronetodepression,you'remorepronetosuicide,withalsoglucoseandinsulinmanagement,ishorrendous.SogetyourD3status.ThenIwouldmeasuremymorninginsulin,mymorningglucose.

Justlookatmath.IntheUStheytellyouyourmorningglucoseshouldbetween70and99.That'sastupidwaytolookatit,becauseforeverymgpercentyou'reabove70,yourriskofheartattackgoesupfivepercent.

Dave: Above70?Not87,whichisthegoldstandardforantiagingforever?70isdamnedlow,Charles,wow.

Charles: Ifyou're99,you'reat145percentmoreriskofcardiac-


Dave: Butyourriskissolow...Imeanyourriskisreallylowanywayonaverage,so145percentmorerelativeriskiskindofasmallchange,right?

Charles: Yeah,buttheproblemisthedoctorwillsayyou'refine.

Dave: That'safairpoint.Igetthat.

Charles: Okay?Whatwouldyouratherhave70or99?Nottakingcareofyourhealthisaverysuresignoflowself-esteem,right?

Dave: Yeah.

Charles: Iwouldlookatthat.AnothertestIwoulddoisareactiveinsulintest.Sometimesyoupassmorningglucose,morninginsulin,butyoudon'tpassaglucosechallengetest.Sowehaveglucose,insulin,reactiveglucose,HbA1c,vitaminD3,andthelasttwoareredbloodcellmagnesium.Ididn'tsayserummagnesium.Redbloodcellmagnesium,andthenredbloodcellzinc.Ifyoulookatit,magnesiumdeficiencyimpactsfourmajorsystems.Youcan'tmakeDHEAproperlyifyoudon'thaveenoughmagnesium.Magnesiumregulateshowmuchcortisolyouputoutunderstress.Peoplewithoutanyredbloodcellmagnesiumarelowstressrespondersinthesensethatifyougivepeoplethesameamountofstress,somebodywithalotofmagnesiumreservewillhandleit,andthepersonwithpoormagnesiumwillfreakout.TheFrenchwouldsay,unetempêtedansunverred'eau,athunderstorminaglassofwater.Iteffectsthepeoplethatoverreacttoeverything.That'saclinicalsignoflowmagnesium.

Zincisknownasthegreatorganizer.Anythingthathasfluidisorganizedbyzinc.Yourtears,yoursemen,iszincrelated.Ifyouhavepoorzincstatus,youalsohavepoorimmunestatus.Bothmagnesiumandzincareinvolvedininsulinandglucosemanagement.That'swhyIlikealotofthoseseventests.YoudowhatIcallthemanifestingseven,andit'sacheapwaytogetit.Ifyouhavemoremoney,thenyoucouldlookatyourtelomersandwhateverelse.Forlistenersoutthere,it'sinteresting,becausesomeofyourlistenersmaybefromSweden,andtogetaD3testinSweden,you'vegottofilloutathree-pagequestionnaire.OneofmySwedishfriendsgooverandstayatmyhouse,theygotoAnyTest,AnyHow,andtheygetafullpanelforabout$600thatwouldcostthousandsinSwedenandyouwouldhavetogothroughdaysofpaperwork.

Dave: MywifeisaKarolinska-trainedSwedishphysicianwhopractices...Well,she'snotformallypracticing,butshehasafertilitycoachingpracticenow,but,yeah,sometimesit'sweirdbecauseSwedenisveryprogressiveonsomemedicalthings,butlikevitaminDinadarkcountryyou'dthinkthey'dhandthatoutatthe7-11s,butitdoesn'tmakesense.

IloveitthatIsaid,"Whatshoulda50-year-olddoinordertoputmusclebackon,"andinsteadofsaying,"UseSARMs,usepeptides,usetestosterone,"you'relike,"Getthecoredataaboutwhat'sworkingandwhat'snotworking."Sogiven...Okay,you'vegotaguywhoprobablydoesn'tsleepverywell,orawoman,doesn'tsleepverywell,probably


doesn'ttrainveryeffectively,lotsofjobstressandcircadianstressbecausethey'reflyingaroundandthingslikethat,whatofthoselabtestswouldyoupredictwouldbeoffintheaveragepersonwho'scarrying20extrapoundsandnotquitehappywithhowtheylook?

Charles: Allseven.

Dave: Allseven,okay.

Charles: That'swhywithyearsofexperienceIfoundoutthosesevenarethecheapestwaytodoit,becauseIalwayshavequestionsfrommyreaderslike,"Ican'taffordthistest,Ican't..."Isay,"Okay,thisisthecheapbastardwaytofindouthowhealthyyouare."

Dave: Cool.

Charles: Ifaguycametoseemeandallthosevaluesareoff,Idon'tthinkthereisapointtogoontestosteroneuntilyoufixyourinsulin,becauseifaguygoes,"Okay,Ineedtestosterone,"sohegoestoseeadoctorthatislawfullyprescribingtestosteroneandhegiveshimtestosterone,buthe'sfat.Someofthattestosteronewillaromatizemanyoddnickels[inaudible00:35:38]withinaweek.He'sgoingtosquattopissbecausehisestrogen'swaythroughtheroof,right?Thefirstthingyouneedtodotoimprovehealthistoimproveinsulinsensitivity.Soloseyour20pounds.Ifhehasatestosteronecountofacatholicmouseinachurch,thengoontestosterone,butthethingisthatinsulinisacastrationandaginghormone.Learnhowtoeat.Learnhowtosleep.There'ssomuchdata.

Dave: Howdoyourecommendeating.Iknowtheanswer,butIthinklistenerswouldalsojustappreciateyourtakeonit.Whatshouldyourplatelooklike?

Charles: Mydietlookslike?I'mabigbeliever...Okay,rulenumberone,thediethastosuityourgenetics.SohowIeatisdifferentthanhowsomeoneshouldeat.Forexample,there'salotofstudiesontheamountofcopiesthattheamylasedigestiongene-

Dave: Firststart.

Charles: Firststart.Soifyou'refromCashmere,youcaneatalotofstarchandstaylean.Withmyethnicbackground,thatdoesnotworkforme.Ifyou'refrom-

Dave: What'syourbackground?

Charles: I'mFrenchCanadian,butIhavequiteabitofnativeblood.

Dave: Okay.

Charles: Soforme,meatisgreat.Solet'ssayifIwakeupinthemorning,thismorningIhadyak.Iloveyak.


Dave: Iloveyak.

Charles: WhatIdoisIputgoatbutter,Iroastsomecashews,andthenIthrowinmeat,somesalsaandspices,andeatthat.ThenIalwaysbelieveinmorning[inaudible00:37:24],foraguylikeme,sothat'swhatIdo,butitmaynotworkforyouifyou'refromVietnam.Theaveragepercentageofcarbohydrates[inaudible00:37:35]is40percent,that'soptimalifwelookedjustonaverage,butforapersonlikeme,25isalot.

Dave: Twentyfivepercent,not25grams,right?You'renotlikeultralowcarboranything?

Charles: No.ThenbecauseI'vegotalotofmusclemass,Icanaffordmorecarbs,sotheruleofcarbohydratesisthatcarbshavetobedeserved.Ifyou'refat,youdon'tdeservecarbohydrates.Maybeifyouhave30percentbodyfat,yourcarbintakeshouldbe10licksofadriedpruneatChristmas.

Dave: Youwouldrecommendradicalcarbohydraterestrictionforfatpeople.

Charles: Correct.Butuptoapoint.Ifyou'refromSerbiaorSlovenia,youtendtohaveverylowfatinyourdiet,evenwhenyou'refat,andmostpeopledoterribleonlow-carbdietsforfatloss.It'sthequalityofthecarbohydrateyoushouldhave.It'sthelowcarbohydrate,whichis[inaudible00:38:32].That'scommonsense.MarkTwainoncesaid,"Theproblemwithcommonsenseisit'snotthatcommon."Ifyoudohavecommonsense,thecurseistheamountofpeopleyouhavetodealwitheachday.That'swhatIwouldeat.AsasourceoffatIuseMCToil,Iusefishoil,Imayusetwotablespoonsofcoconutoil.Thenmybrain'sonfireandI'minflame.Icanwrite,Icancoach.

Dave: Areyoulookingforketonesfromyourdiet?You'reeatingtoomanycarbstogetketones.What'stheMCToilfor?Isthattoraiseketones?

Charles: Toraiseketones,butalsotomakemyinsulincurvebeaslowaspossible.ForlunchItypicallygoforawhiteprotein.Sofish,chicken,turkey.There'snothingmagicalaboutwhite,butthere'salotofpeoplewholikethingsthataresimple.Soredinthemorning,white...Sopeopledon'thavetoworryaboutit.Thenthat'swhenIwouldhavetwoorthreevegetablesorsalad.Thenmydinnerusuallyisanotherprotein.Icouldhaveduckbreast.Ireallyliketohavemorefats.I'mnotaguythatdoesverywellonleanmeats.Yakisaveryleanmeat,butbecauseIusegoatbutterandalltheotheroils,ittakescareofthat.

Dave: Isthegoatbutterbecauseyou'reallergictocowbutterorbecauseithashigherbutyricacidinit.

Charles: That'sthereason,butalsoyougettastefatigue.

Dave: Ahh,okay.

Charles: SometimesIusecow'sbutter,butIfindthatformeprobablybecauseofbutyricacidIfeelbetterongoatbutter.It'sfunnybecauseeverybodythatcomeshere,nowwe're


filmingvideosfortheupcomingmembershipsite,andIhadaguestanditwasthefirsttimeheateyakwithgoatbutter,andhe'slike...Nowhe'saconvert.Iusequiteabitofthat.Atdinner,that'swhenIwouldaddstarchfortheday,sotypicallysweetpotatoesorpurplepotatoesorsometypeofstarch.Somerice.Mostpeopleshouldstayawayfromgains.OnethingthatIfoundthat'sreallyusefulisforpeopletogetfoodintolerancetests.There'sonlyonelabthatdoesitcorrectfortheintolerancetest.

Dave: Whichisthelabyourecommend?I'dlovetohearyourthoughts.

Charles: Youknowwhat?I'vetriedeverylabusingplayer'sinsurancefromdifferentfederations,becausetheycanaffordwhatevertheywant.Thefederationdoesn'tcare.TheonlyonethathasvalueisCyrexLabs.

Dave: YoulikeCyrex.Okay,that'stheoneI'vebeenrecommendingforalongtime.

Charles: IloveCyrex.ThethingwithCyrex,theycantellyouifyourgutiscompromised,whichisthefirstseriesoftestsyoudo.Theyalsolookatwhatdoesthefooddotoyourblood-brainbarrier.IjusthadaclassinPhoenixwithCyrex,andeverystudentdidthetest,andeverydaythey'dbelike,"Man,thattestchangedmylife."Forexample,IhadastudentfromtheCzechRepublic,andsheatedailyoatsanddairy.Thisgirlwasverylean,buttherewasnovisiblesignofanabdominalaudit.Aweekafterabstainingfromalltherightfoods,shehaddeeplyetchedabsbecauseoftheinflammationcreatedbytheforbiddenfoods.

WithCyrexwhatI'veseenisthatthere's...Forexample,depression.AfewyearsagoIhadperiodsofseveredepression.DepressionwhereIwasaloser,Iwantedtoshootmyselfintheface.Iwasthisclose.Itwouldonlyhappenonedayamontheverymonth,that'sit.Ican'thavePMS.Idon'thaveuterusorovaries,sowhatwaswrong?IdidtheCyrexlab,anditturnsoutIwasthepatientatthattimewiththeworstwheatallergythey'deverseen.

Dave: Wow.

Charles: WhywouldIhavedepression?Iwasalsointoleranttocowproducts.Iwouldflyhometoseemydaughter,andI'mnotthetypeofguytocarryhisfoodinTupperwaretostinkupthefirstclassarea.Iwouldeatwhatevertherewas.AndI'dsay,"I'mhavingonebunamonthwithonesliceofcheese,sowhat?"Well,itwasevidentsowhat.Within12-16hoursI'dbehavingthesestupidthoughts.Monday'sI'dfeellikeshit,butthenbyTuesdayIwasfine.IdidtheCyrextestandabstainedfromallthefoods,andthensixmonthslaterIretestedandthewheatwasstillseverelythere,butIwasnotintoleranttoeggsanddairyanymore.

Dave: Wow.

Charles: Yougetwhatyoucallacrossreactivity.Cyrexsavedmybrain,that'sforsure.That'swhywhenpeoplesay,"Ican'tloseweight,"or"There'ssomethingwrongandIdon'tknowwhatitis,"usuallyit'safoodintolerance.


Dave: Yeah.Myexperiencehasbeenthesameway,bothpersonally...IwouldhavemyonecheatdayonaFridaynight.I'dhaveacheesecakeorsomething.I'dbeokayonSaturday,alittletiredonSunday,andMondayIwasjustatotaljerkandazombie.Ittookmelikeacoupleyears,thisisgoingbacklike15+years,tofigureoutthatit'swhatyoudidafewdaysbefore.Itwaspersonalitychanges,likeI'mangry.MymiddlefingeronMondaymorningisreallyreadytogo.Youkindoffeellikeyou'realittlebitcrazyorsomething,becausewhyisthisgoingon?It'senvironmental.It'swhatyouputinyourbody,right?

Charles: Yeah.Thetwoworstsourcesofstresscomefromthemouth.Whatyouputinyourmouthandwhatcomesoutofyourmouth.

Dave: Wellsaid.Ifyouputthewrongstuffin,you'regoingtonotlikewhatcomesout,that'sforsure.

Charles: Yeah,andthenit'sfunnybecauseoneofmyRussianclientsgothertestdoneandit'samazinghowherbrainhaschangedfromjustnoteatingthosefoods.Andit'sinteresting,becausesomeofthefoodsarethoughtofasbeinghealthy.Forexample,I'vegotastrongintolerancetoquinoa.Iwouldrarelyeatquinoa,buteverytimeIeatquinoa,IthoughtIingestednapalm,becauseit..."Whyismystomachkillingme?"Andflax?I'mveryintoleranttoflax.Bydroppingthosefoods,myhealth...Thenjointpainwentaway.Foodintoleranceis[inaudible00:45:37].

Dave: I'mgratefulthatyou'regoingintothosedetails.Onegroupofpeoplewouldsay,"Well,thisguyobviouslyisweakbecausehecan'teateverythingontheplanet."Ifpeoplearewatchingthevideo,dude,you'renotweak.Youkickassonmultiplelevels.Yourbrainissharp,you'reinreallygoodphysicalshape.What'sgoingonisyoufoundthestuffthat'sbiologicallycompatiblewithyoursystem,andyouavoidthestuffthatmakesyouweak,right?

Charles: Correct.Then,butthethingisthat...OneofmyfriendsisSerbian,andhe'sdonethetest.He'sverylean.IfIatewhatheateeveryday,I'dbeonwelfareanddepressedandunmotivated.IfheatewhatIate,he'dbesluggish.Thekeywithnutritionistofindwhatworksforyou.Butthere'saverysimpletest.Youcanfinditonmywebsite.It'sthebreakfasttest.Iaskpeopletowakeup,writeonascale1-10howtheirbrainworks,sotheyputsomethinglikea7,andthentheydothedothemeatandthat'sbreakfast,whichisexplainedalsoonmysite,andthenanhourlatertheyshouldratetheirbrain,andmostpeoplewillhaveanincreaseintheirscores.Theyfeelbetter.Somepeoplesay,"ActuallyIfeelsluggish."

ThenthenextdayImakethemdotheopposite,so70-80percentcarbohydratebreakfast,andthenrateyourselfbeforebreakfastandafterbreakfast.Aguylikeme,ifIhadpancakesforbreakfast,I'dbewaitingformywelfarechecks.Iwouldneverworkinlife.Butsomepeoplethrive.Forexample,mydaughter'smothercouldprobablygotoworkdrinkingaliterofmaplesyrupbeforegoingtoworkanditwouldn'tbotherher,butshehashightolerancetocarbohydrates.Tosumitup,youhavetoeataccordingtoyourgenes.NotyourLevi's,butyourgeneticprofile.


Dave: OneofthethingsthatIdidinputtingtogethertheinfographicortheroadmapfordietisthere'sagroupofthingsthatagreewithmostpeople,likethenon-offensivevegetablesthatmostpeoplearen'tallergicto.Mostpeoplecanhandlebutter.Evenifthey'redairysensitive,theycaneatbutter.Andafewotherssimplefoodsthatarehighinnutrients.I'mlike,justeatthatforawhile.Youdon'thavetobelowcarb.Youcaneatsomerice,butjustthecleansourcesofstarchthatdon'tgoupalot.Doitfortwoweeksandseehowyoufeel.Mostpeople,toyourpoint,they'relike,"Wow,Ifeelgreat."There'sahugelistofsuspectfoods,lentils,nightshades,allsortsofotherthings,andtherearegrainswhere,youknowwhat?Ahugepercentageofthepopulationaren'tgoingtodowell.Unlessyou'regoingtogooutanddoaCyrexpanel,you'reprobablyjustnotgoingtoknow.Theideaiseliminateallthepotentialsuspectsjusttogetabaseline.

Forme,thebigdifferencewas,wow,allthispainI'vehadmywholelife,I'vehadthreekneesurgeries,itallwentaway,whichwasremarkable.Thenyoucanaddstuffbackin.Ofcourse,Ihavemylabtestsandallthatfromdifferentfoodtolerancelabs,justlikeyou,butmostofthemdidn'tpickout...Formenightshadesareabigthing.Thewholepointforlistenersis,it'sokayiftheguynexttoyouiseatingsomethingandyoulikethatfoodandyoujustchoosenottoeatitbecauseit'snotcompatiblewithyoursystem.There'snoweakness.Anyonewhotriestoshameyouortellyouthatyouhavetoeatthat,justtellthemtogoscrewthemselves.Don'teatstuffthatmakesyoufeelcrappyandactlikejerk.That'swhathappeningtous.

Charles: Yeah,becauseifIcouldinventapillthatmakesKrispyKremetolerabletoeverybodyI'dbeabillionaireforsure.Thethingisthat...Onethingthatpeopledonoticewhentheystarteatingcleanisthattheso-calledcheatfoodsstarttohavenovalue.They'llbelike,"NowIknowwhyyoustopped."Irememberin2006IhadtogobacktoCanadaforninemonthsafteralongtime,andIstoppedatoneofthosegasstationswithnohealthyfood.Iwaslike,"Aw,fuckthis.I'mgoingtohave..."AndIpickedachocolatebarthatIusedtolikeasakid.AfterthefirstbiteIgo,"Holyshit.IknowwhyIstopped."Ithrewitinthegarbage.Thethingisthatasyourcellsgetsmarter,youcantellwhichfoodornot.Forexample,mostpeople...Nope.Idon'tknowanybodythat'severbeenmuggedbyadozendonuts.They'reallvoluntarychoices.It'ssortofoneofthesethingswedohavecontrolover.Wedon'thavecontrolovertheelections,butwedohavecontrolaboutthefoodweputinourstomachs.

WhatItellpeopleisthatwhatisyourbodyandyourbrainworthtoyou?IfyoupickthoseM&Msandstuffbecauseyoudon'thaveraisinsandcashews,you'retellingmeyouhavelowself-esteem.ThemostreadarticleonmywebsiteiscalledtheMythofDiscipline,andIblowawaythemythofdisciplinebecauseIdon'tthinkthere'ssuchathingasdiscipline.It'swhetheryouloveyourselfornot.Ifyouloveyourself,youmaketherightchoices.Ifyouhavelowself-esteem...Ifyousaytome,"Ireallyliketoeattwodozendonutsaday,"andI'marecoveringCatholicandIknowhowtoputthegiftofshameonyou,andI'mgoingtotellyou,"Youpreferyourtastebudsthanawell-functioningbrain.That'syourchoice,butit'snotamatterofdiscipline."

Dave: YouandIarebothfocusedoncognitivefunction,andyousaidsomethingthat'scontroversial,butsomethingthatDr.PerlmutterandDr.Amen,twoverywellknown


neurologisttypeswhoarefriendsandguestsontheshow,theysaidthesamething,butIthinkyoumighthavebeenthefirstonetosayit,thelinkbetweenIQandfastfoodconsumption.What'syourtakeonthat?

Charles: Okay,well,there'saverygoodresearcheroutofCalgary,RichardJohnston,whoallhedidwasmeasuretheamountofKentuckyFriedChickenoutletstherewerepercapita.Theentericwaytomeasuretransfatsconsumption.ThereisaninversecorrelationbetweentheamountofKFCsandyourIQ.

Dave: Ohno.TransfatsandMSG.Theybotharegoingtojackyourbrainineveryway.Youmentionedyouateyourgrainandcheesethingonceamonthanditmadeyoufeelbad.Iknowpeoplearelike,"Well,Iwentoutdrinking,soIhad(insertnameofjunkfoodplacehere)."Howoftenisokay?Isitokaytohavefastfoodlikethat?

Charles: Okay.Ithinkyou'vegottolook...Let'ssayifyouhavefourmealsadayandyouhave28mealsaweek,andoneisacheat.Idon'tthinkit'sgoingtobethatbadbecauseyouhave27thataregood.Butthat'snota100percentcommitment.Soifyouwant100percentresults,it's100percentcommitment.Idon'tthinkthatmealisgoingtodestroytheother27.

Dave: No,it'snot.

Charles: IthinkonethingthatIfindsuccessfulasaclinicianistoallowpeopletohave...Iprefertocallitarefuelmealthanacheatmeal.Orapermissivemealthanacheat,becausecheatimpliesCatholicguilt.Idon'tlikethat.ThenItellpeople...WhatIdoisthatonpurposeItellthem,"Eattheworstshityoucanthinkofthatyoureallylike."Andpeoplesay,"Whatdoyoumean?"Isay,"IfyouwanttoparkatentatMrs.Fieldsandeatcookiesfor24hours,eatcookiesfor24hours."ThenwhatImakethemdoisImakethemtrainthenextday,andtheirmusclesarefullofglycogenandtheyfeelgoodandthey'renotgoingtoretainwaterorputweightonthescale,butassoonastheydoacertainmovement,theygo,"Shit.I'vegotsomuchelbowpain,"or"I'vegotkneepain,"or"I'msostiff,"andIgo,"Dude,that'sthefoodyouateyesterday."

Nextweekwhenwedothepermissivemeal,let'strytostaywithstickymangoriceinsteadofdonuts.Ithinkpeoplelearnbetterfromexperiencethanfromverbiageandcharts.Whentheyfeelit,thenit'samucheasierpressurepointtohit.

Dave: Wellsaid.Irecommendafterthetwo-weekBulletproofDiet,thenweavoidallthosethings.Havepizza,beer,andicecream,andjustwakeupthenextdayandseewhatyou'remadeof.Ithinkthat'swhyfortheaveragelistenerIdon'trecommendeatinggarbageonceaweek,becausetherecoverytimeistoohighforyou.Ittakesalotofwillpowerandeffort,butifonceaweekyoudohighercarbs,youmighteven,Godforbid,havealittlesugarthatday,butnotlikedeepfriedsugarbombswithglyphosatefrosting.Thedifferentinhowyouliveyourlifeismeasurable.Ithinkthattheangleofyourascentwillbemeasurablybetter.

Charles: Ithinkagoodkickintheballsorpunchinthefaceteachesyoubetterthanaslap.


Dave: Itdoes.

Charles: Ifyouhaveakickintheballmealofpizza,icecream,andbeer,thenextdayyou'llfeellikeshit,andthenextweekendyousay,"Okay,let'stryothersourcesofcarbsthatwillnotbringinflammation."ThentheyrealizenobodyhitthemonSaturdaynightandtheyfeelgood.Thentheycansay,"Okay."Ifindthatwhenyougotoolowoncarbohydratesfortoolong,yourglycogenstoresgodowntoomuch.Iliketogiftpeoplearefuelday.What'sthefrequencyofarefueldaydependsonhowmuchmusclemassyouhave,andalsosociologicalfactors.

Forexample,whenIusedtotrainalotofNHLplayers,theywouldhaveapermissiveday,arefuelday,andtwoofmyplayerssay,"IsitokayifIgetSaturdaynight?"AndI'mlike,"WhySaturdaynight?""Becausemyfamily,I'vegottospendqualitytimewiththem.Thisistheoffseason.CanIhavecheesecakeandwinethatday?"Sotheywereactuallydoingitlessfrequently.I'dsay,"Goahead."Itworkedforthoseguys.Theywouldratherhaveapermissivemealeverysevendaysanddoitwiththeirfamily,theneveryfivedaysalonesortofthing.You'vegottolookatthatfactors.Thekeyisprogression,notperfection.

Dave: Wellsaid.

Charles: It'sonestepatatime.ThethingisthatareallygoodbookIrecommendtoyourreadershipisactuallyfromGretchenRubin,BetterThanBefore.

Dave: Oh,yeah.Yeah.

Charles: She'sprobablysomeoneyoushouldhaveonyourpodcast.

Dave: Absolutely.

Charles: I'velistenedtoherandIboughtherbook.Itexplainsalotofthings.LikeIkindoffigureditoutovertheyears,butIdidnothaveanameforit,butshedidhaveanameforit.Howsomepeopleareupholdersandloveeverythingyoudoandallthose[inaudible00:57:24]somepeople,andthere'speoplethatwillcomplyallthetime,theydon'teventhinkofthemselves.There'squestioners,andthere'srebels,orwhatever.SomepeoplecouldlistentoyouandI'sadviceonmanaginginsulin,butbecausethey'rerebels,say,"Fucktheseguys."Imeantheyeattoomuchinsulinproducing.Ialwayssaythoseguysarehardtoconvert.Theywillonlyconvertiftheyconvincethemselves.Myapproachisthat,"Areyoubetterthanyesterday?"That'swhatmatterstome.

Dave: Veryimportantapproach.Infact,Ithinkifpeoplewalkawayfromthisinterviewwithjustonething,thatmightbethemostimportantthing.

Charles,we'reupontheendoftheinterview,whichkindofmakesmesad,becauseIwishthatwe'dbookedlikefourhourstochat,becauseIthinklistenerswouldbenefitfromthat,andmaybeIcaninviteyouonagain.


Charles: I'dloveto.

Dave: Ifyou'relisteningandyouwantthattohappen,whenwepostthisonFacebookandoniTunes,giveusalotoflikesandsharethiswithsomefriends,andI'lldefinitely...Maybewecandoitinperson,too.It'salwaysmorefuntodothat.

There'saquestionIwanttoaskyou.Ithinkyoumighthavesomereallygoodinsighthere,andI'veaskedeveryguestoutofmorethan350guestsonBulletproofRadio,andit'sifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaid,"Look,Iwanttokickmoreassateverything.Notjustinthegym,notjustonthefield,butIjustwanttobekick-assatlife.Whatarethethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyouhaveformefromanythingyou'veeverlived.Themostimportantthings."

Charles: Numberone,whatyouappreciate,appreciates.Youhavetobegrateful.

Dave: Gratitude,loveit.

Charles: Theclothesyouworetoday,therewassomereasonyouchosethem.Weliveinacountrywherewecanpicktheclotheswewant.Alargepercentageof...Ithinkthatifweeverydayhaveagratefullogandyoumakealist.It'snotlike,"I'mgratefulformydog."Trytocomeupwiththreedifferentthings.Youcouldlowerthebarongratitude.Let'ssayifyou'retravelingandinaRadissonHotel,andthebedsheetsarebetterthanstayingattheHilton,soI'mgratefulthatI'msleepinginagreatbed.Itcanbesomethingasmenialasthat.Whenyoustarttoappreciatethelittlethingsthatthingschange.Whenyouappreciatethings,thingschangeforyou.Forexample,yougetabigcheck,youshouldwrite,"IreallylikethebigcheckIjustgottoday,"andyou'llhavemorebigchecks."IappreciatetheprogressImadeinthegymtoday,"andyou'llmakemoreprogress.Sowhatyouappreciate,appreciates.

Numbertwo,IwouldsayifIweretorelivemylifeandthengiveyouthisadviceonmydeathbed,sleepbetter.Ithinksleepisthemostunderratedhealthfactorinpeople'slives.

Dave: That'sthethirdtimeyou'vesaidsleepbetter,notsleepmore.

Charles: Right.

Dave: That'sanotherthingthat'sreallyinterestingaboutyou,becauseIamsointhatcampwithyou.Onthenextepisodewithyou,itwon'tbethenextone,butthenexttimeIinterviewyou.Iwanttogodeepwithyouonsleep,becausethat'soneoftheareasI'vespentalotoftimewriting.Iknowyouknowsomestuffthatwedidn'tgetinto.We'regoingtosavethatfornumbertwo.What'syourthirdanswertothatbigquestion?

Charles: Stayawayfromgrains.Itdoesn'tmatterwhatgeneticsyouare,right?

Dave: Yes.


Charles: Yeah,becauseifyou...Let'ssayyoumakemeEmperorofallthegalaxiestomorrow.Ican'tforcepeopletohaveagratefullogandtogotobedearlyorwhatever,butIwouldbangrains.There'soneproblemwiththat,58percentofallthepopulationwoulddiewithintheweekbecausethey'dmisscaloricintake.Let'ssaybangrainsinthetopcountriesoftheworld.Itwouldhaveahugeimpact.Grainsrobyouofminerals.Theycreateinflammation.Somegenotypesdobetter,butifwentgrain-less...Alsotheirbrainswouldworkbetter.IhaveafewprivateFacebookpages,andIseequestionsontherelike,"Mysonhadpancakesforbreakfast."There'sagoodstudyfromHarvardoneatingpancakesforbreakfastis19-20percent.Imean,temporarily.Thethingisthatinasocietythat'ssocarbaddicted,wecan'tgetpeople'smindstofunctionproperly.Ifeverybodywasjust20percentmoreefficientwiththeirbrain,ourwholesocietywouldchange.

Dave: Thatismyexperience,andwe'recertainlyinalignmentthere.Youhaveabookthatyou'regoingtoreleaseforjustacoupleofweeksforpeoplewhoarelisteningtotheshowtoday,similartowhatyoudidwithTimFerrisswhenyouwereonhisshow.Telllistenersthekindofstuffyouputinthisbookandwhattheyhavetodotogetit.

Charles: Whatwelearninthebookismuscleloss.ThesearethingsIreallyliketobeprinciplebased,soIsaylikehowoftenshouldyoutrain.Igiveallthewhyfirst,andthenIgiveyouthehow.Ifyoudon'tgiveacrapaboutthewhy,youcandothehow.There'sdetailedtrainingplans.IcreatedaprivateFacebookpageforit,sowhenyoubuythebookweinviteyoutotheprivatepage,andthereyoucanaskyourquestions.Oneofthebigfeatures,peoplesay,"Wow,IreadthebookandnowtheStrengthSenseihimselfisansweringmyquestions."Withthebook,wegiveyoualltoeat.Wetellyouhowtorepairyourbrain,whataretheworkoutsandsoon.Ibasicallyhaveaconsumer'sguidetosupplements,becausethere'smillionsofsupplementsoutthereandthere'salotoffraud.

Dave: Oh,yeah.It'sahugeproblem.

Charles: Itellyouthis.ThenIthinkthatthe...Imean,everysinglereadersaidthebiggestadvantageforthis$47investedishowmuchreturnthey'vehadonit.That'sgreatpositivefeedback.IlistentoSchwarzeneggerataprivateVIPseminarinMalibu,andhesaidyouhavetobreakthemirrorandlookbehindthemirrorifyouwanttomakeachangeinsociety.It'sthefirsttimeI'vewrittenadetailedbookonhowtobuildmusclemass.I'vewrittenalotofbooksonstrengthtraining,butthisonewillbemoreforyourlisteningaudiencebecausethey'retryingtofightaging,buttheinformationisstillapplicable,orhighlyapplicable,infact.Ibelieveyourlistenerswouldbenefitquiteabitfromit.

Dave: Beautiful.We'llhookallofyouupwiththat.CharlesandIaredefinitelyinthesamevein.Therearedefinitelysomedifferences.Iencourageyouasbuddingbiohackerstotakealookatwhatworksforyou,whichismostimportant.Iforgot.Iwasgoingtomentionearlierintheshow,Charles,withMCTsversusBrainOctane,attheAmericanAcademyofAntiagingMedicineacoupleofweeksagoIpresentedanewstudylookingatketoneformationfromcoconutoil,whichraisesketonesthesameasfastingforeight


hours,likeverymodestrise.MCToil,justthegenericsourcewiththemixedtypesofoil,raisedketonesabouttwicecoconutoil,buttheBrainOctaneoilwasbetweenfourandfivetimeshigher.

Charles: Wow.

Dave: Youcangettothat0.5,andthat'swhyIdotheBrainOctaneversusMCT,eventhoughit'sinacategoryofMCTs.It'sasubcategory,butyou'regettingalotmoreketonesbeforeyouhittheboweltolerancedisasterlevel.I'mjustbringingthatupbecauseIknowalotofpeoplelisteningarelike,"Well,ifIgoreadCharles'stuffandittellsmetodrinklemonjuiceinthemorning,"which,bytheway,Ilikeinthemorning,butIdon'talwaystalkaboutit,andwhateverothertweaks.It'sallgood.You'reallowedtogooutanddowhatworksforyou.I'vegottosayCharleshasanincrediblereputationandanincrediblebodyofexperience,especiallyworkingwithathletes.He'sfocusedatleastasmuchasIamonaging,becausehe'sgot10moreyearsonmeandhaslookedatsomeofthesethings,andI'mreallygettingintothat.

Nexttime,Charles,we'regoingtotalkaboutstemcells,becauseI'vedonealotofworkwithmyowncells,includingIhadtheminjectedfourdaysagointomybrainforthesecondtime.We'regoingtotalkaboutsleepqualityforsure,andwe'regoingtotalkaboutstretchmarks.

Charles: Yeah?

Dave: Iknowyouknowafewhacksthere.Ijustcameoutwithabookaboutstretchmarksthat'sonAmazon.Sothosearethethreetopics.Idon'tknowhowsoonyou'llbebackon.It'llprobablybeanotherfewweeksorsomething,butI'mreallylookingforwardtoournextconversation.Thankyou.

Charles: Allright.You'rewelcome.I'mverypleased,firstofall,andIthankyouforbeingontoday.I'lltryhowtheBrainOctanefeels,you'restimulatingmybrainonthatone.I'malwayslookingforthelatestbioactive.

Dave: I'llsendyousome.

Charles: Iappreciatebeingontheshow,andlookingforwardtothenextone.Thankyou.

Dave: CheckourCharles'newbookandaskhimquestionspersonally.Thisisarareopportunitytoworkwithoneofthesuperherosofbiohackingandstrengthandcondition.Thanksforbeingontheshow.Itwasmypleasure.

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