creation 101: what we believe and the supporting evidence

E. Neeland [email protected]

Creation 101: What we believe and the

supporting evidence

Join us for an eye-opening meeting with

Dr Emil Silvestru of CMI-Canada

Noah’s Flood – Fact or Fantasy A Geological Perspective

Monday November 14, 2011 7:00pm Fipke Building Rm. 204

University of BC-Okanagan 3333 University Way, Kelowna

For more information: Ed Neeland 250-807-9572 All are welcome. Resources will be available for purchase.

E. Neeland [email protected]

Creation 101: What we believe and the

supporting evidence

The Claims

“no educated person any longer questions the validity of the so-called theory of evolution…”

“Not know of a single well-informed person who questions the factuality of evolution”.

Dr. Ernest Mayr One of the most influential evolutionists of our time

“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet someone who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane...”

Dr. Richard Dawkins Blind Watchmaker

“We believe our sample to be generalizable to the population of the more than 630,000 professors teaching full-time in U.S. colleges and universities…”

So that means 15.9% agreed!

630,000 x 0.159 = 100,170 professors

Wow. That’s a lot of professors who question evolution.

“The theory of intelligent design IS a serious scientific alternative to the Darwinian theory of evolution. Overall, 84.1 percent of professors surveyed disagreed with the statement…”

So a survey was taken…

Should be 100,172! (They never asked me) Estimated 100,171 university and college professors question evolution.

XActual number is much much higher.

The Claims

“no educated person any longer questions the validity of the so-called theory of evolution…”

“Not know of a single well-informed person who questions the factuality of evolution”.

Dr. Ernest Mayr One of the most influential evolutionists of our time

“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet someone who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).”

Dr. Richard Dawkins Blind Watchmaker

Two Possibilities

Happened by itself Somebody created it

Evolution God “The theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.”

Gerald A. Kerkut Implications of Evolution

Pergamon, Oxford, UK p 157, 1960

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

Is there a Problem?

Biblical Creation Evolution

Third Possibility?


Evolution God

Comparison

1) Life = intelligently designed by God. 1) Life = unguided chance, natural laws.

2) Early life = bacteria (no other life).

Biblical Creation Model Evolution Model

These models are in opposition!

2) All life lived at same time.

3) Created kind reproduce to same kind.

4) Worldwide flood.

5) Earth is young (thousands).

3) Organism Different kind organism.

4) No worldwide flood.

5) Earth = old (billions).

Third Possibility?


Evolution God

Two Possibilities

1) Universe had a beginning. Also the beginning of:

a) Time b) Space c) Matter

CAUSE was beyond time, beyond space and beyond matter.

Biblical Creation: supporting evidence

These are divine characteristics!

LOL. So who created God? Gotcha!


These are divine characteristics!

LOL. So who created God? Gotcha!

Nobody made God. God is beyond time. Always was/is/will be.

New appreciation for: “I AM”


CAUSE was beyond time, beyond space and beyond matter.



Evolution’s answer? A quantum singularity expanded to create universe.

AND the quantum singularity had mass, existed in time and space. Where did it, time, space and matter come from? Where is the CAUSE?

Crickets chirping….



2) Bible = accurate history = read it as such!

a) Earth is young. b) All creatures lived at same time. c) Worldwide flood.


She cracks open a “65 million year old” T. rex fossil thighbone and looks inside.

What she found "had no business inhabiting a dinosaur skeleton."

Barry Yeoman Discover Magazine

April 2006 issue

It’s 2004. Enter Dr. Mary Schweitzer

Young Earth Evidence


Flexible blood vessels “Red blood cells”

Springy tissue

What’s inside “65 million" year old fossilized T. rex bones?

Dr. M. Schweitzer

Science, 2009, 324, 626-631

This included intact proteins like collagen and elastin.

"80 million" year old fossil bones!

Transparent, flexible vessels were observed; some contained spherical microstructures (Fig. 1E), whereas others contained an amorphous red substance (Fig. 1F) that is superficially similar to degraded blood.


Phil. Transactions of Royal Society, 1999, 354, 77-87

In bones, hydrolysis of the main protein component, collagen, is even more rapid and little intact collagen

remains after only 10,000-30,000 years...

"65-80 million" year old bones contain collagen?


.

Here, we report fossilized musculature from an approximately 18 million year old salamander…details…include…endomysial vessels infilled with blood. Our results provide unequivocal evidence that high fidelity preservation of extremely labile tissues is not only feasible but likely to be common.


2a) Young earth evidence

i) Contents of “multi-million” year old fossil bones.

ii) 14C found in diamonds, coal and fossils. Atom Isotope Abundance

12C 100 13C 1.08 14C 0.0000000001 14C is radioactive and it breaks down.

We can calibrate objects to about 8,000 years using dendrochronology (tree ring counting). 14C is found in samples that are “millions of years old.” It shouldn’t be there.

Conclusion? Young not old.


2a) Young earth evidence

i) Contents of “multi-million” year old fossil bones.

ii) 14C found in diamonds, coal and fossils.

iii) Comets.

Comets have a tail resulting from loss of material from comet nucleus. How can they still be around after millions (or billions) of years of losing material?

Conclusion? Young not old.


2) Bible = accurate history

a) Earth is young. b) All creatures lived at same time. c) Worldwide flood.


All creatures lived at the same time: fossil evidence

R. M. Stainforth Nature, 1966, 210, 292-296

"The discovery of pollen and spores in beds considered Precambrian (Proterozoic) has received brief notice in geological journals and the press....it is considered desirable to give an outline of the facts before distorted interpretations develop from inadequate data."

"It is admitted that entry of pollen into its present site defies simple explanation...and that by no conceivable physical means could the pollen (and spores) have entered the metamorphosed sediments from the outside...we offer no solution to the paradox."

"This discovery of pollens and spores in a formation of supposed pre-Cambrian age was so remarkable that a reconnaissance expedition of qualified geologists was organized to verify the facts of the case...They confirmed the salient facts as recorded..."



255 million years out of place or did they live at the same time?

"An excursion was arranged to review the geological evidence... this series is Cambrian or older...Our conclusions were arrived at despite the recognition of certain difficulties such as the occurrence of minute plant fragments of post Cambrian age in the dolomites and shales for which at present we have no clear explanation to offer."

Sahni, B., Nature 1944, 153, p 462.

Coates, J. et al., Nature 1945, 155, p 266


"The investigation of this material has given results beyond all expectation...being mainly shreds of angiosperm wood...and at least one good, winged, six-legged insect with compound eyes."


Sahni, B., Nature 1944, 153, p 462.

Recent reports = the Salt Range Formation is Eocambrian. Yeats et al., 1984 Butler et al., 1987 Pennock et al., 1989 McDougal et al., 1990



"The investigation of this material has given results beyond all expectation...being mainly shreds of angiosperm wood...and at least one good, winged, six-legged insect with compound eyes."


Sahni, B., Nature 1944, 153, p 462.

Recent reports = the Salt Range Formation is Eocambrian. Yeats et al., 1984 Butler et al., 1987 Pennock et al., 1989 McDougal et al., 1990


There are more examples in the literature.



320 million years out of place or did they live at the same time?

All creatures lived at the same time: fossil evidence We have found about: 1000 fossilized bats.

IF they evolved...there are no ancestors. They just appear in fossil record looking like living bats and fish. Better understood as created kinds reproducing after their kind.

500,000 fossilized fish.

"Most fossil species appear suddenly without transitional forms in a layer of rock and persist essentially unchanged until disappearing from the record of rocks as suddenly as they appeared."

Campbell, Mitchell and Reece University Textbook

Biology - Concepts and Connections 2006, page 290

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December 22, 1938, Fishing trawler caught one!

Coelacanth fossil. 70-400 million year old fossils. No fossils younger than 70 million years old. Found in same rock layers as dinosaurs. Dinosaurs and coelacanths lived at same time. People and coelacanths did not live at same time.

"I would not have been more surprised if I had seen a dinosaur walking down the street!"

Dr. J.L.B. Smith Rhodes University


Correction: People and coelacanths do live at the same time.

That’s a picture of a live coelacanth!


What other fossils are in dinosaur rock layers? Roses, orchids, willow trees, oak trees, apple trees, sassafras trees, palm trees, rice plants, ducks, wolves, possums (plus about another 400 mammals), flamingos, sandpipers, loons, parrots, snails, sponges, shrimp, sea urchins, crayfish, crabs, lobsters, alligators, herring, eels, flounder, guitar fish, stingrays, frogs, salamanders, bees, ants…surprised? That was a partial list…

The Bible says that all creatures lived at the same time. Does that include people and dinosaurs?

Ta Prohm Temple in Cambodia (1186)

Dinosaur Depictions

Water Buffalo

Deer

Monkey

Parrots

Swan

Lizard

Dinosaur Depictions

Ica Stone, Peru

Dinosaur Depictions

“All the springs of the great deep burst forth...” Genesis 7:11

Worldwide flood

Worldwide flood

Does anything like this happen today?

Worldwide flood

Rapid burial, trapping 346 whales/ground sloths in an 80 m band of sediment?

What could do that? Big flood.

Worldwide flood

Sharktooth hill bonebed (S. California)

Worldwide flood

…stretches over 100 square km…200 fossils per square meter embedded in a 10-50 cm layer of sediment… …formed over a 700,000 year time-span.

…presence of land mammals as well as marine vertebrates.

…laid to rest the catastrophic event hypothesis.

The fossil bones are in good shape and only 5 bones out of 3000 examined showed bite marks.

Let’s do the math

50 cm of sediment 700,000 years = 0.00007 cm of sediment/year

That’s 0.7 cm of sediment in 10,000 years. Question 1. How long do bones last in water?

Hydrobiologia, 1983, 106, 217-222

10-50% gone in 3 weeks!

Let’s do the math

50 cm of sediment 700,000 years

= 0.00007 cm of sediment/year

That’s 0.7 cm of sediment in 10,000 years.

Q2. Could this rate of sedimentation bury the bones before decomposition?

A2. No.

Q1. How long do bones last in water?

A1. Not 105 years waiting to be buried.

Conclusion: 50 cm of sediment ≠ 700,000 years.

Q3. Do dead creatures normally get buried in sedimentary layers?

Conclusion: The Sharktooth hill creatures were buried rapidly.

Let’s do more math

200 fossils meter2

= 20,000,000,000 fossils in one deposit. (land and marine creatures!)

Q4. What event rapidly buries billions of land AND sea creatures in a 50 cm layer over 100 km2 ? (BTW, how did they die?)

x 100 km2 x (1000 meters)2 (1 km)2

A4. A very fast, very big, scary watery event.

Creation model: The Sharktooth hill bonebed is an example of the effects of a worldwide flood rapidly killing and burying land/marine creatures and not slow deposition over 700,000 years.

Does this happen today?

Is there more supporting evidence?

Dr. Silvestru, Nov 14, UBC Okanagan Fipke 204 7:00 pm

Yes. Are we going to see it?

No time.

So what do you walk away with?

1.0 Lots of educated people question evolution and choose the Creator’s version. 2.0 Biblical creation model identifies CAUSE of the universe for starters. 3.0 Evidence for a young earth

3.1 Dino bone contents. 3.2 14C in diamonds. 3.3 Comets. 4.0 Evidence that all creatures were created at same time

4.1 Out of place fossils (pollen, plants, insects) 4.2 Most fossils show no evolution from ancestors. Just appear. 4.3 Most of today’s creatures in dino rock layers. 4.4 Carvings/drawings of dinos by people. 5.0 Evidence for a worldwide flood

5.1 Rapid killing and burial of billions of creatures (Sharktooth and Peru 5.2 Land and marine creatures mixed together.

Thank you for listening

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