Course Selection Year 11 2020This presentation will be available

tomorrow, via CCGS World Year 10 Notices

Welcome

Emergency evacuation procedures for the evening:• In the event of an emergency, please remain calm and seated

and wait for directions to evacuate • The emergency exits for this venue are behind me • When instructed to leave, please leave in an orderly manner• The muster area will be on the school oval behind you • Toilet facilities are located behind me, to the left.Please ensure mobile phones are in silent mode.Hold questions until the end – many thanks.

Key CCGS staff in the subject selection process

• Jody Clarke, Careers Counsellor• Heads of House, tutors, Year Group Coordinator

(boarders), Indigenous Coordinator, EAL/D Coordinator, teachers

• Holly Rose, Assistant Director of Studies• Mahendra Vaswani, Director of Studies

Introduction• In Year 11, boys get to choose their subjects to a

greater extent than ever before – exciting!• Be aware the WACE system changed in 2015/16• This presentation contains a lot of generalisations -

broad advice for whole cohort• Read all documentation and CCGS World Notices

carefully.

Introduction contd.

• CCGS philosophy: we recommend and counsel but do not preclude

• We do our best but it is not possible to meet all preferences for all boys

• CCGS timetable is constructed from boys’ choices – hence the early start to the process.

Subject selection process at CCGS• Year 10 HWB unit and class talk (Weeks 1 and 2)• Parent Information Night (Week 5)• Subject Selection information and advice re

prerequisites distributed (Week 5) • Standardised testing data to parents (Week 5)• Boy and parents/Boarding YGC invited to interview

with HoH and Ms Clarke (Weeks 8 & 9)• Parent/Teacher/Student Interview (Week 10)

Subject selection process contd.• Selections confirmed Wednesday Week 2 of Term 3

– best chance for getting subjects as timetable is constructed from these choices – but not all boys get all choices

• Boys can contact Studies Office for changes in Terms 3 and 4 – can often accommodate but not guaranteed

• Further changes available until Week 5/6, Term 1 Year 11 (the sooner the better, however). Expected to carry Year 11 subjects for the full year.

Frequently used acronyms

• ATAR Australian Tertiary Admissions Ranking• SCSA School Curriculum and Standards Authority• TAFE Technical and Further Education• TISC Tertiary Institutions Service Centre• VET Vocational Education and Training• WACE West Australian Certificate of Education• WASSA West Australian Statement of Student Achievement

The goal for December 2021

• WASSA (West Australian Statement of Student Achievement) – all Year 12 students receive this

• WACE (West Australian Certificate of Education) –not all students receive this – General Pathway workplace, further study at

TAFE or universityor– ATAR Pathway further study at university.

The (new-ish) WACE

• WACE is the West Australian Certificate of Education – new in 2015/16 - more demanding

• It is “… a certificate that demonstrates significant achievement over Years 11 and 12 in either ATAR or General pathway”

• Changes mean that more CCGS boys are taking the General Pathway to the WACE than previously

The WACE contd.

Should be achieved by almost all boys:• not required for entry into workforce• required for some TAFE courses• required for direct university entry

WACE requirements 2021Students must:• Complete at least 4 ATAR subjects (ATAR Pathway) in Year 12

or• Achieve a VET Certificate II, III or IV and General Subjects (General Pathway) in Year 11 or 12

or• Complete at least 5 General subjects in Year 12

and• Demonstrate minimum standard of literacy/numeracy via NAPLAN and/or OLNA by end of Year

12and…

WACE requirements 2021 contd.and• Complete at least 10 courses across Years 11 and 12, which must include

– English, Literature or EAL/D in Year 11 and Year 12– Minimum of five courses in Year 12– One course each year from

List A (arts/languages/humanities) and List B (maths/science/technology)

and• Achieve 7 C grades in total by the end of Year 12 (minimum 3 of these in Year

12) – no averaging and• Sit and make a genuine attempt in the WACE examinations (ATAR courses).

WACE Eligibility 2021?Year 11 Grade Year 12 Grade

English ATAR C English ATAR C

MathsApplications ATAR

D MathsApplicationsATAR

C

History ATAR B History ATAR B

Physics ATAR E

Biology ATAR C Biology ATAR D

P & L ATAR C P & L ATAR D

WACE – to summarise

• Six courses in Year 11• Five or six courses in Year 12• Seven Cs across Year 11 and 12 (3 in Year 12)• Numeracy & Literacy through NAPLAN / OLNA• At least one List A and one List B course• ATAR or General + Cert II, III or IV.

Two pathways to WACE in Year 11 and 12

General pathway which can include study of a Cert II, III or IV – for employment/TAFE/university – general courses are assessed 100% on CCGS coursework, with no external

examinations ORATAR pathway – for direct entry to university– ATAR courses are assessed by a 50/50 combination of Year 12 CCGS

coursework and external examinations (marked by SCSA and reported directly to TISC).

Should my son go into the General or ATAR pathway ?

• Give serious consideration to doing General courses if results in mainstream Year 10 classes are not strong (borderline or below C grades) or if boy is in a support class in the learning area

• The General pathway offers a flexible alternative that includes industry-based experience whilst completing the requirements for WACE

• Completing a Certificate IV in Year 12 can still lead indirectly to university – but work ethic is vital for this to happen

Year 11 General Pathway at CCGS 2020

Work placements:Students on a general pathway will generally choose two work placements for Year 11. These will usually be completed during examination periods

Mandatory subjects Electives (choose three)

English General Business Management and Enterprise GeneralMathematics Essential General Computer Science GeneralCareer & Enterprise General Design General

Geography GeneralMarine & Maritime Studies GeneralMaterials Design & Technology General (Wood)Materials Design & Technology General (Metal)Physical Education Studies GeneralVisual Arts GeneralCertificate III in Fitness or Certificate II in Business

Certificate courses for General PathwayStudents on a general pathway can choose, as one of their electives, to study the Cert III Fitness or the Cert II Business in Year 11.

Wide variety available in Year 12, e.g.• Cert II (Year 12) in Engineering (day release)• Pre-Apprenticeships in Automotive, Carpentry and Plumbing (Year 12)• Cert IV (Year 12) course in Business Studies at Fremantle Education Centre

(day release)• Cert III (Year 11/12) and Cert III/IV (Year 12) courses in Fitness run through

Diamond Fitness (time-tabled at CCGS). Completion of the Cert III Fitness is a prerequisite for enrolment in the Cert IV Fitness

Ms Clarke can advise on the many other options available. Something for everyone!

General Pathway - TAFE Admission

• 14% of TAFE courses are “competitive” i.e. hard to get into

• 51% of TAFE applicants have a first preference for a competitive course. The competitive courses are Pre Apprenticeships in Engineering, Electrical, Plumbing, Heavy Fabrication, Automotive and Mechanical Fitting , Outdoor Recreation, Marine Studies and Animal Studies.

General Pathway - TAFE Admission contd.

• Getting into an apprenticeship is not easy: it is probably more competitive to get into an Electrical Apprenticeship than into an Arts degree at UWA

• Students are encouraged to study the highest relevant course of which they are capable, if aiming for entry into the competitive courses e.g. ATAR Maths Applications if trying for a electrical apprenticeship at TAFE.

TAFE Admission

Selection Criteria: • Certificate courses completed at school• Work experience / employment • Grades achieved at schoolMore info: • http://www.eti.wa.edu.au/your-study-options/study-

at-tafe/course-catalogue

TAFE - summary

• Some fantastic options available • Can be used as a stepping stone to university• Jody Clarke is the ‘go to’ person for enquiries

about TAFE…. and scholarships, universities, careers!

ATAR Pathway - University Admission

Applicants must:

• Meet the requirements for WACE

• Obtain a sufficiently high ATAR for the university and course

• Satisfy any prerequisites set by the unis for particular courses

• Achieve competence in English; generally a final scaled mark of at least 50 in an ATAR English course.

ATAR calculation 2021

50% Year 12 school mark + 50% ATAR course examination mark

Moderated, standardised, scaled score

Four best scaled scores count (any four)

TEA (Tertiary Entrance Aggregate) plus any bonus marks

ATAR (Australian Tertiary Admissions Ranking)

Tertiary Entrance Aggregate (TEA)

83 + 85 + 83 + 82 = 333

TEA = 333.00 ATAR = 97.95

COURSE Scaled score

English ATAR 83

Mathematics Applications ATAR 85

Biology ATAR 83

Accounting & Finance ATAR 82

Physics ATAR 72

Physical Education Studies General N/A

Sum of best four courses

Best 4

ATAR (Australian Tertiary Admissions Rank)

• A ranking between 0 and 99.95 (not a %)

• Student’s rank is relative to all other Year 12 students of the Year 12 school leaving age population in WA

• An ATAR of 75.0 is equal to or better than 75% of students of Year 12 age

• CCGS Median ATAR 2018: 91.60 (we need to maintain perspective).

TEA conversion to ATAR

• Converting TEA to ATAR is done each year by TISC (Tertiary Institution Services Centre)

• 2018 minimum ATAR* for University entry in WA:– UWA 80 (average** scaled mark 60.45%)– Curtin 70 (average scaled mark 54.5%) – Murdoch 70 (average scaled mark 54.5%)– ECU 70 (average scaled mark 54.5%)*Some courses require significantly higher ATAR (eg Law at ECU is 85)**These averages may change slightly from year to year.

TEA ATAR *These averages change slightly from year to year.

ATAR Minimum TEA for ATAR Average* Scaled %60.0 197.9 49.570.0 218.0 54.575.0 229.0 57.380.0 241.8 60.585.0 256.9 64.290.0 276.3 69.195.0 303.0 75.898.0 331.1 82.899.0 350.3 87.6

99.95 407.1 101.78*

Other university options

• Melbourne, Bond, UNSW, Monash, Sydney and Queensland, for example

• Many students consider interstate universities that offer undergraduate Medicine e.g. Adelaide, JCU

• UK, USA • NB – bonus marks may not count interstate /

overseas.

University of Notre Dame• Completely different entry process: based on

– Application– Personal Statement and– Interview.

• Early Offer Program is competitive: students need a predicted ATAR of above 90 (93 for Law and Physiotherapy ) plus the Personal Statement and Interview.

• Early entry based on Trial exam marks, grades, reference, interview• Increasingly popular option for CCGS boys – compulsory to attend

lectures (not web-based)

Blend of General and ATAR ?

• Students can choose some General and some ATAR subjects - but need a minimum of 4 ATAR courses to achieve an ATAR

• Year 11 students can change from a full ATAR course to a full General course after one semester, timetable/class sizes allowing

• Six ATAR courses is a heavy load for some. Consider 5 ATAR and 1 General.

• Year 11 – no changes allowed after Week 5.

Year 11 at CCGS: considerations

– Genuine interest in subject (enjoyment, work ethic)and– Year 11, Year 12 and beyonde.g.– University/TAFE/Work Prerequisites Yr12 courses Yr11 courses.

Uni prerequisites – check carefully• Engineering at Curtin 2021

– Prerequisite: Methods; one of Physics, Chemistry or Engineering Studies.

– Desirable: Specialist• Engineering at Edith Cowan University 2021 e.g. civil

– Prerequisite: Methods, Physics OR Engineering Studies– Desirable: Specialist

• Engineering at Murdoch 2021 e.g. electrical– Recommended: Methods, Specialist, Physics

• Engineering at UWA 2021– Prerequisite: Specialist, Methods, Chemistry and Physics OR

Methods plus additional units in first year– Desirable: Specialist, Methods, Chemistry and Physics

Important documents

All of these will be helpful for you:

SCSA – Year 10 Information Booklet 2019

https://senior-secondary.scsa.wa.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/560162/Year-10-Information-Handbook-2019.PDF

• CCGS – Judgements of suitable subjects from teachers (through parent portal)

• CCGS - Course Selection Information Booklet

Important documents contd.

• CCGS - Course Selection Form

• Feedback from Year 10 standardised testing (parental discretion required in regard to sharing with boys)

• TISC - University Admissions 2021 (when available)

• Morrisby Career Aptitude test results

• University prospectuses (websites are fantastic too).

The CCGS Timetable• All students in Year 11 are required to undertake 6 courses • The timetable grid is constructed from initial course choices• Where there are insufficient students choosing a course, it

will not run• Some courses will be combined with MLC – advised in Term

4• Year 11 and 12 General classes may be combined to provide

a viable class size• Syllabus documents can be checked on SCSA website.

http://wace1516.scsa.wa.edu.au

LIST A (arts/languages/social sciences) LIST B (mathematics/science/technology)

Ancient History ATAR Accounting and Finance ATAR

Business Management and Enterprise ATAR Applied Information Technology ATAR*Business Management and Enterprise General Biology ATAR

* Career & Enterprise General Chemistry ATAR

† Chinese: Second Language ATAR Computer Science ATAR

Drama ATAR Computer Science ATAR Year 12 (accelerated)

Economics ATAR *Computer Science General

† English as an Additional Language ATAR Design ATAR

CERTIFICATE English ATAR * Design General* Certificate III in Fitness* Certificate II in Business * English General Engineering Studies ATAR

† French: Second Language ATAR Food Science & Technology ATAR

Geography ATAR Human Biology ATAR

* Geography General Marine & Maritime Studies ATAR

† Japanese: Second Language ATAR * Marine & Maritime Studies General

Literature ATAR Materials Design & Technology ATAR

Media Production & Analysis ATAR * Materials Design & Technology General (Wood)

Modern History ATAR * Materials Design & Technology General (Metal)

Music ATAR Mathematics Applications ATAR

Philosophy & Ethics ATAR Mathematics Methods ATAR

Politics & Law ATAR Mathematics Specialist ATAR

Visual Arts ATAR * Mathematics Essential General

* Visual Arts General Physical Education Studies ATAR

* Physical Education Studies General

Physics ATAR

Psychology ATAR

*Contributes towards WACE but does not contribute to an ATAR calculation. Only one can be undertaken

† The study of this course is subject to SCSA eligibility requirements

Other certificate courses will be available in Year 12 for boys who are following a General Pathway

English options

Year 11 and Year 12English GeneralEAL/D ATAR (eligibility approval required)English ATAR (contemporary focus: diverse range incl. media)Literature ATAR (traditional focus: poetry, drama, fiction)

Options for changes between Year 11 and Year 12English ATAR (Year 11) English General (Year 12)Literature ATAR (Year 11) English ATAR (Year 12)

Mathematics Options

10 Advanced

Methods ATAR & Specialist ATAR

MethodsATAR

Could change to Applications in

Year 12, although Applications in Year 11

would be better preparation.10

MainstreamApplications

ATARCould change to

Essential inYear 12.10 Support Essential

General

Year 11 Methods• Methods is significantly more difficult than

Applications• Historically, a large number of boys have chosen

Methods against our advice.• Many soon wanted to change to Applications but

not all can be accommodated.• About 25% of those who initially choose Methods

either change to Applications or achieve only a D or an E grade in Methods in the first year.

Mathematics Prerequisites

Year 11 Specialist Year 11 Methods Year 11 Applications Year 11 Essential

Year 10 Extension

Prerequisite met Prerequisite met Notappropriate

Notappropriate

Year 10 Advanced

A grade A or B grade

C grade – need to discuss with HoD

C grade Notappropriate

Year 10 Mainstream

Not appropriate A grade – need to discuss with HoD

A or B grade

C grade – need to discuss with HoD

Prerequisite met

Year 10 Support

Notappropriate

Notappropriate

Need to discuss with HoD

Prerequisite met

Bonus marks for Maths Methods and Specialist

• Curtin, ECU, Murdoch and UWA award a Tertiary Entrance Aggregate bonus to encourage students to undertake the more challenging Mathematics ATAR course options:– Mathematics Methods and – Mathematics Specialist

Bonus marks for Maths Methods and Spec

• The bonus will apply to the calculation of the Tertiary Entrance Aggregate (TEA).

• Ten percent of the final scaled score/s in Mathematics Methods ATAR and Mathematics Specialist ATAR will be added to the TEA, from which the ATAR is derived.

• Bonuses from both courses will count even if the scaled score from the course is not one of the student’s best four scores.

Unacceptable combination rules for Maths

For 2022 university admission (2021 school leavers), unacceptable combination rules will apply to Mathematics ATAR courses: • Mathematics Applications ATAR and Mathematics Methods ATAR

are an unacceptable combination. • Mathematics Applications ATAR and Mathematics Specialist

ATAR are also an unacceptable combination. Only one scaled score from the unacceptable combination can be used in the calculation of the ATAR.

*Interstate universities may not include bonus marks in their calculations.

CCGS advice in regard to Maths

Students should choose the highest level of Mathematics of which they are capable. Their level of achievement in Year 10 is the best way for us to judge this capability, as it reflects the skills and understandings that they have demonstrated. It is extremely challenging to try to consolidate skills from Year 10 and earlier in Year 11 Methods, owing to the level of difficulty and pace of that course.

Languages (Chinese, French, Japanese)

• Study of all languages (and EAL/D) is subject to being approved for eligibility – SCSA mandated

• Languages teachers run this process – contact Head of Department if you have queries.

• LOTE bonus from UWA, Curtin, Murdoch and ECU: 10% of LOTE scaled score added to TEA even if the subject is not one of the top four

• *Interstate universities may not include bonus marks in their calculations.

General Advice in the selection process

• Talk to your son’s tutor, Head of House, teachers

• How is he doing in English, Mathematics, Science and Humanities? Consult past reports and current live marks record.

• Generally, it is unlikely that marks and grades will improve in Year 11 and 12, no matter how many new leaves are turned! (Past performance is the best predictor of future performance.)

• Unless your son is really committed to doing well in the courses he chooses for next year, expect his marks to drop.

General Advice (contd.) • Avoid becoming paralysed by the choice process! No single

‘best’ combination• Remember it is him doing Year 11• Academic achievement - choosing the most challenging course

of which your son is capable will leave options open for further study

• Interests and motivation rather than scaling/friends/likely teachers etc

• Aspirations - university or TAFE?

• Personality – resilience, anxiety issues

• Course prerequisites.

General Advice (contd.) Beware: • the scaling furphy• the ‘80 effect’ (or the ‘70 effect’…)• the easy route now / bridging courses later• the belief that university is the best/only/most

secure pathway to success• Stay informed – lots of developments in tertiary

education e.g. Curtin’s five-year direct entry Medical course began in 2017

Consider future trends in work• Predicted an oversupply of

7000 doctors by 2030• lack of postgraduate training

places compared to university places

• Increasing globalisation, automation, technology -‘disruption’ –

joboutlook.gov.au

And (almost) finally…

• General Exhibition calculations (top 50 in state) – 2 List A + 2 List B + next best i.e. 5 subjects counted

• All Exhibitions and prizes are now calculated on ATAR course exam mark only

• A few highly capable and hard-working students study 7 subjects in Year 11 and/or Year 12

• Trust teachers’ advice – their experience and insights are invaluable

• Trust the School – we really want each boy to make progress and achieve success.

Websites

• School Curriculum and Standards Authority – (SCSA)http://wace1516.scsa.wa.edu.au

(All course outlines freely available)

• Tertiary Institutions Services Center (TISC)www.tisc.edu.au

• TAFE WAwww.tafecourses.com.au/courses/western-australia/

Thank you