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SiddiqKhan

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AndileMngxitama Sat,May23,2015at7:24PMTo:lobesey@gmail.com

Idon'tsupposeyouknowwhoIam.letmeintroducemyself.imandilemngxitama,theubberracemanofourblightedcountry.Iknowchumaniabitwell,lastSeptemberhedisruptedmyeventincapetownandpromptlywenttoreportsuccessofthemissiontothearrogantwhitebastardjaredsacks.Ihaveseenyourratherhilariousandpainfulemailwhereyoulaybarethecompromisedcharercterofourbelovedbrother.

mychallengeisthatIdon'tknowwhoyouareandifyouopentoconversation.itsaverydifficultsituationcozchumaniisrightnowinsomedeepwhiteshitandwehavetoseeifthemovementcanbesavedandifhecanbesaved.wearecalledtoplaytheroleofredeemersatthispointoftheresistance.

dropmeyourdigits

mine0826783200

andile

SiddiqKhan Sat,May23,2015at9:54PMTo:AndileMngxitama

ComradeMngxitama

AsithappensIknowquitealotaboutyou.Anacquaintanceandonetimecomradeofmine,XoladosSantos,waswithChumaniatyoureventwhereMrMaxweleapparentlysavedhimfromathrottlingfromsomeofyourfriends.MoreoverIwasonceongoodtermswithcomradeSacksbeforeIwasforcedtotellhimafewhardtruthsabouthisownselfrighteousshitwhichhefoundtoodifficulttoswallow.FromwhatIhearyoursupportersresortedtoviolenceatthateventbecausetheytoocouldnotrespondwelltocriticism.

IunderstandyourownpositionhaschangedsomewhatsincethattimebutyoushouldbewarnedthatIhavelittletimeforthosewhodon'tknowhowtotakethesortoffinecriticalinsightstheyaresofondofdishingout.MoreoveryoushouldalsoknowIhavenointerestinadoptingtheroleofaredeemer.Iwillleavethattothosewhoenjoysurroundingthemselveswithadmiringfollowers.Quitefranklyblackpeoplehavehad,andcontinuetohave,fartoomanyredeemersalready,andyouyourselfshouldknowthatthesedaysthecompetitionforthatpositioncanbequitefierce.

Onthoseconditions,Iamhappytoengagewithyouoranyoneelseaboutapracticalinterventionthatmightencourageourfellowstoconfrontthemiserablerealityweallfindourselveswiththesortofcriticalconsciousnessdemandedbythesituation.Wemightwellhavequalitiestobringtothetablethattheotherlacks.Thisisafterallwherethegiveandtakeofrealconversationthetoughconversationsthatthosewhoenjoytalkingabout'resistance'arealmostneverpreparedtohavecomesfrom.Blackpeople,andpoorpeopleingeneral,areconditionedeithertoacceptunquestioninglywhattheirleaderssayortodismissunthinkinglywhatdissentingvoicessay.Theclashofconflictingminds,thenourishingintercoursebetweenthosewhoareequalbutdifferent,theunrulydebatethatquestionsthebasisofeverythingthatexists,withoutwhichrevolutionismeaninglessallthisissystematicallysuppressedbyallredeemerspastpresentandfuture,andforgoodreason.Thepriests,prophets,politicians,tradeunionbureaucratsandbossesofthisworldinstinctivelygraspwhatthemajorityhaveunderstandably,butdisastrouslyfailedtorealise:Iftheycouldstartthoseconversationsandgrowthembigenough,thewretchedoftheearthcouldditchalltheirsleazysavioursandsavethemselves.

Salud

Ihavesentamessagetoyourphone.Ifyoulikewecanmakearrangementstodiscussthisfurtherfromthere.

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AndileMngxitama Sat,May23,2015at10:56PMTo:SiddiqKhan

WhatsortofcriticismcanXolaormaxhelemountagainstmyfollowers?Soudon'ttheyaretheoneswhowereaggressiveandinmyviewsenttodisrupttheeventbyJared!?WhatpositionIheldwhichhasbeencorrectedbyourfriendsXolaandchumani?Peoplehaveinterestingpreconceivednotionstosponsortheirhandlersviews.Basicallymyideasareallinwritingsoit'sshouldn'tbetoodifficulttopointtoevidence

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SiddiqKhan Sun,May24,2015at2:31AMTo:AndileMngxitama

Andile

Asfarasmyknowledgegoesyousaidsomethingabouta'blackfeministenemy',whichapparentlyreferredtoJared'shousemate,andXolachallengedyouonthat.Ireallydon'tknowthedetailsofyouraltercationwiththesepeople,nordoIcare.Whatisinterestingtomeisthatyoudonothingtodenythefactthatyour'followers',asyouputit,movedtosilencethiscriticisminawaythatwouldmaketherulingpartyproud.Evenmoreinterestingisthefactthatyougivenoindicationthatyoufindthissortofbrainlessbullyingatallproblematiceventoday,aftertheleadersofyouroldpartytreatedyourowncriticisminthesameway.Youseemmoreconcernedatdefendingyourideasatallcosts,justlikealltheotherpoliticiansinthiscopriddenplanet.Oldhabitsdiehard,clearly.Theycertainlywon'tdieatallpeopledon'tseeanythingwrongwiththem.

Anyway,itseemswehavenobasisforanymeaningfulconversation,letalonepracticalcollaboration.Theonlyreasonthereseemedanypossibilityforcommongroundbetweenuswasthesmallchancethatyourexperiencewiththedirtyrealityofpartypoliticsmighthaveprovidedyouwithsomeseriousinsightintotheprofounddifferencebetweenallthatshitandrealrevolutionarystruggle,whoseendsandmeansaredirectlyopposedtosectariansquabblesbetweentheselfappointedguardiansofPlatonicIdeas.Itseemsclear,however,thatyourideasremainwrittendowninstone,andnoamountofpracticalexperiencewillchangethem.Thisisunfortunate,but,Imustsay,hardlysurprising.

Youwilldoubtlesshavemoreimportantthingstodo,soIwilltakeupnomoreofyourtime.

Sincerely

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AndileMngxitama Sun,May24,2015at10:36AMTo:SiddiqKhan

Inotehowyouclaimchumaniisaselloutwhilstyousellinghisasstowhitesyourself.Yourselfrighteousnessisastroublingastheimpipipracticesyoudecryofothers.Youtooquicktoformopinionsofothersonshakygrounds.Youproceedonthebasisofarroganceofagod.Iknowyourtype.Youaredangeroustoanycourse,youarerumourmonger.Ihopepeopleincpthavefiguredyouout.Aboveallyouareyouaspitefullittleagentofdiscord.Ican'tbelieveonethingyousayaboutchumani,youdon'trespectfactsorthetruth.

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SiddiqKhan Sun,May24,2015at4:07PMTo:AndileMngxitama

Andile

Itwouldbequitedifficultformetobe'sellinghisasstowhites'consideringIhaveneverownedit(howexactlycouldI?),norhaveIclaimedtodosoorhadtheslightestdesireto.Asfortherest,Icanonlysaythat,once

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again,yousaynothingtocontradictanythingIputtoyouandinsteadchoosetothrowaroundaccusationsaboutme'onshakygrounds'.Thedefinitionofrumouristhatitinvolvesconversationaboutotherpeoplebehindtheirbacks.WherehaveIspreadanyversionofthisstoryaboutyouraltercationChumaniandXola?AsifIcared!RatherthanrumourIactuallyconfrontedyouwiththeirversionofevents,andyouhaveneverofferedanyevidencetosuggestthatthereisanything'shaky'aboutit.WhatfactsortruthhaveyouofferedtocontradicttheirversionwhichIfailedto'respect'?WhatotheropinionamIoranyotherthinkingindividualsupposedtoformonthebasisofthis?AsforChumani,likemyoriginalmessagestated,theevidenceisallthereontherecord,accessibletoanybodywhomaywanttodoso.TheycanalsoconsulttheothercomradesIreferredtoandhearwhattheyhavetosayforthemselves.Nobodyneedstotakemywordforit.Unlikeothers,Idon'texpectpeopletobelievemeasamatteroffaithbasedonthe'type'ofpersonIclaimtobeorthe'course'Iclaimtoserve.Theubiquityofthisattitudeisoneofthethingsthatmakesproductivedialogueamongpoorpeoplesodifficult.Thosewhogenuinelywanttocontributetowardsthereinventionofrevolutioninourtimeclearlyneedtounderminethisattitude,notmerelyintherealmofideasbutintheireverydayrelationswithothers.Unfortunately,asourownfruitlessnoncommunicationshows,fewindeedareinterestedintakingupsuchatask.Youyourselfhavemadeitabundantlyclearwhereyoustandregardingsuchaproject.Anyfurtherexchangeofwordsbetweenuswouldthereforebeawasteoftime.ThequestionsIraiseaboveareforthebenefitofotherswhomightbeabletolearnsomethingfromourbriefcorrespondence,sinceit'sobviousbynowthatyouhavenointerestorabilityinansweringthem.

Salud

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AndileMngxitama Sun,May24,2015at7:23PMTo:SiddiqKhan

Youarerunninganantichumanimediacampaigninthemiddleofhisfightwithuct.Youareanagentofwhitesupremacythatcomesasafriendofresistance.Yourepeatabaselessrumourasairrefutabletruth.Youdrawconclusionsonhearsay,youhavebigthingstosayabteventsyouheardsecondhand.NobetweenyouandchumaniIwillthrowmyweightwithonefightingratherthanonebadmouthingto.besmirchthegoodnameofasoldier.Chumaniisnotperfect.Butpeoplelikeuareenemyagentspaidorunpaid.Iwilmakeitmybusinesstoalertthermfmovementaboutyouragentprovocateuractivities

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SiddiqKhan Sun,May24,2015at8:39PMTo:AndileMngxitama

Ifthe'rumour'and'hearsay'whichIrepeatedtoyouinordertodiscoverwhatyouhadtosayaboutthemarebaseless,itwouldhavebeeneasytorefutethem.Youdidnotdoso.IdrawmyconclusionsbasedonmyowndirectexperienceofwhatyoudoanddonotsayabouteventsIheardsecondhand,andhowyousayit.Youarewelcometothrowyourweightaroundasmuchasyoulike,thisisclearlyafavouritepastimeofyours.Asforthe'movement',Imightsuggestweholdapublicdebate,presentingthefullcontentofthiscorrespondence,andletpeoplemakeuptheirownminds,butitseemsclearthatyouwouldwouldrathersimplythrowaroundmeaninglessinsultsforyourfollowerstorepeatmindlessly.ItisapitythatMalema,Zumaandyourselfarenolongerongoodterms.Youdeserveeachother.

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AndileMngxitama Sun,May24,2015at9:12PMTo:SiddiqKhan

Littlemegalomaniaclookingforhis5minutesoffameattheexpenseofawholemovement.Uhaveaseriousaffliction,it'scalledaskaricomplex.Youhaveashockinggrandsenseofselfimportance.Youareanirritant,Iunderstandwhyifithappenedchumaniwascompelledtosilenceyourselfrighteousnesseardrumbustingbullshit.Ibelievealltheseallegationsnowaremeanttodamagechumaniandmakeuahero.Youareadangertoblackliberation

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SiddiqKhan Sun,May24,2015at10:10PMTo:AndileMngxitama

Andile

Asmuchasyoumaybeenragedbyanyonenotaboveyouonthepeckingorderwhomaydaretocontradictyourdecrees,itwouldbegoodtoattempttomaintainamodicumofmeaninginthewayyouuselanguage.Ifyouwanttoinsultsomeoneyoumightatleasttrytogetyourinsultstomakesense.

Firstly,sendingasingleemailtotwojournalistsdoesnotconstitute'runningamediacampaign'anymorethanChumaniactedlikeoneofyourhiredgoonsinorderto'silence'me.Heattackedmeoutoffearforourwhitelandlordit'sacommonreactionexplainedbyfrustrationaggressiontheory.Yourdiagnosesofotherpeople'spsychologicalcomplexesmightbemoreconvincingiftheyreferredto'complexes'thatactuallyexistratherthanonessuckedoutofyourthumb.

Secondly,itwouldbeverydifficultformetoseek'fameattheexpenseofawholemovement'consideringthefactthattheemailIsenttothejournalistswassignedpseudonymously.WereIlookingtomakemyselfaheroIwouldhaveusedmyrealname.

Thirdly,itisafortunaterealitythatindividualheroesandredeemersarecannotposeanydangertoblackliberationtheonlythingthatcanistheweaknessinthemindsofblacks,builtupbyalltheorganisedforceoftheworld,tobecomepassivefollowersofthisorthatnitwitwhocallshimselfaleader.Theracketsthatyoucreatedandjoinedarepartofthatorganisedforce,asisthewayyourelatetoanychallengebyattemptingtosilenceit.ThereisareasonBikodidnotjointheANC,PACoranyotherracketwhoseownersthoughtthemselvesredeemersoftheblackmovement.Hehadthebenefitofhindsight,andcouldseethereactionaryroleGeorgeJackson'sPanthers,Fanon'sFLNandMalcolmX'sNationofIslamendedupplaying.Herealisedthatredeemersandtheridiculoussocialrelationstheyinculcateinthemindsoftheoppressedcanonlydivertthemovementdownonemoredeadend.Unlikecertainpeople,whotheoverlygenerousmightcallwellmeaning,hehadtheintegrityandintelligencetorefusesucharole.Also,unlikethesesamepeople,herealisedthatthemassesneededtobeabletothinkforthemselves,whichmeantfirstofallidentifywhotheirrealfriendsandenemieswerebasedonhowtheyactuallyrelatedtopeopleratherthansomebullshitmuchoimagetheylovetoproject.Finally,wecanhappilynotethatthedimwittedredeemers,whomanagetoreadeverybookon'blackliberation'withoutknowingthefirstthingaboutputtingthemintopractice,arebecomingincreasinglyirrelevantastheblackmassesarebeginningtoarriveatthesamepracticalconclusionsBikodid,eveniftheydon'tobnoxiouslyquotehimchapterandverseascertainpeoplearewonttodo.WeallknowwhatthesemiilliteratechildrenofSowetodidafewyearsafterBikowrotethatbitaboutblacksbeingtiredofstandingonthesidelinesofagametheyshouldbeplayingthemselves...

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