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8 THE IDEA EXCHANGE JUL Y7, 2013 EXPRESS MAN OJC G: Nowthe reis a Naxalattackin Jharkh and,  whichis underPresiden t’srule, comingdirect ly underthe HomeMinistry . Do you think thepresentstrategyof tackl ing Nax ali tesis wor king ,or dowe nee dto rev isitit? In the last three or four years, we have managed to get into their (Maoi sts’)core area s suchas Late- har. Allthe engag ementthatis tak- ing place now is taking place in the ir str ong hol ds.So beit Lat eha r or Bastar, the CRPF or Army, the engagement is happening in their stron ghold s.Youcannothave a big mili tary oper ation because we don ’t kno w whothe ene my is.We geta lotoftwee tsaski ngwhydon’ t  we let the Army go in, but whodo  wetakeout? We have86battali ons of the CRPF in these states. We’ve tried to move all our paramilitary forc es intothe coreareas. There are two strategies to re- moveus fro m thecore are as.One is to target soft targets, like they didin Chha ttis garh , poli ticia nsor normal peop le.And thesecondis openin g new fronts, like what they have done with the SP of Jharkha nd. There is no great Naxal problem in that area. In fac t,thereis notevena sing lebat- talionof the paramilitaryforcesin Dumka. After this incident, we have pulled out two battalions andrushedthemto thisarea . Ifyousee thestat ist icsof2011,  wehavehada hugedro pin sec urit y pers onne l getti ngkilledor ofNaxal  viol ence . Over all,ifyou see2011 , it  was a far better yea r than the last coupleof years. The other problem is all the funds and the paramilitary forces aregiven to diffe rentstates. Every statehasa diff ere ntpolicyto tackl e Naxal ism. Whic heve r poli tica l party is in power has its own way ofdealing.We don’ t havea centra l poli cy wher e Naxa lism is con- cerned. So that is something we have to adjust with the different state governments and work with them.Butprimari ly , ourtargetis to hit the top leader ship . On the grou nd,we areseeingthatthey are notgettingthe kindof supp ortthat they need. Secondly, the biggest pro ble mtheyarehavingisof arms and ammunition. That is the sup-  viewmeeti ngswereheldin Raip ur ,  which the Prime Minis ter himself attended, and at the Chief Minis- ters’ conference. Our priority is nowinfrastructur e developmentof theworst -af fec tedarea s.I canun- derstand there is outrage at what happ ened in Chha ttisg arh and  whathappened on the train in Bi- har , aswellas wit h theJhark han d SP , butit issomet hin g tha t can ’tbe  wished away. We have a pro- gramme inplace.We willcontinue to have a hardline (policy) where engagement is concerned, but we  willtry todevelopinfrastr uctur e in theseNaxal-af fectedareas. MA NOJC G: Wha tis you r est i- mateof theCPI(Maoi st)’s stren gth?And whileyou talk ed ofdifferentstateshaving diffe r- entprogrammes,even theCon- gressand thegovernmenthave beengiving mixedsignals. I thinkwe arecomplet elyon boar d onhowwe ar e totackleNaxa lis m. Wher e they are engag ing with paramilitary forces and they are pi ckinguparms,we wil ltry tosub-  juga tethem.As faras reh abi lita ting trib alsis concerne d—whichis ex- treme lyimportantand that’swhat people in the party also spoke about—that is something we are tryi ngto do.We hav e giv ena lotof money. States were given 5,000 kmof roa dsin thes e are as.Weare tryi ng to mak e scho olsand hos pi- tals.Weare monit oringthat devel - opme nt takes place in a time- boundmanner. Theirnumericalstrengthis not somethi ngI cangiveyou imme di- ately but it is not something that lar gethat itis alar ming . Thepeopl e at the top, the leaders, are very commi tted. Unfort unate ly , the kin d ofmoveme ntthat the y havein the villages is very ruthless. That issomet hingthatneve r come sout in the media. For example, the  waythey tortureinformers.There isno hueandcry ifa trib alis kil led bythe Naxa lsand wehaveprove d thi smanytimesthattheyusecivil- ians as human shields, including  womenand chil dre n.But, ifthereis an encounter with the forces and somebody dies, the paramilitary or the police forces are shown in such poor light as if they are the mainproblem. acaseof enc oun terthattookpla ce in Gujarat, which is being moni- tored by the court. The CBI has na me d an IB of fi cer in the chargesheet. That is a completely different aspect. They have not ask edthe IBfor a sanctio n aga ins t theoffi ceryet.Whe n the yask fora sanc tion,wewill rep lyto thatques- tio n atthattime.  Y es,obviously , offic ersof theIB ar e goi ngto bea lit tleupse t iftheir officers are seen to be engaged in fake encounters. The IB is a very,  very good organi sation and it has hel pedthis cou ntryin man y way s to counter many problems. But if there is enough proof, when the CBIcomesto us,we willexami neit and look at it from that point of  view . But it has been made politi- cal .The BJPseem s tobe mor eupset thaneventhe IB.It isextreme lyun- fortunate that a fake encounter too k pla ce.It isbeinginvest iga ted bytheCBI,itis bei ngmoni tor edby the court, so I don’t see why the BJPshoul d hav e anykindof pro b- lem with that. And it has been shown that there have been fake encounters in Gujarat before. In fact, in the Sohrabuddi n fake en- counter, they paid compensatio n tohimbefor ethe cou rtevenruled . The BJP seems to get very jittery and always seems to react when- everthe campaigncommitteehead comes under any negativity in his sta te.He isreadyto tak e cr edi t for  Amul thoughDr Kurie n did it. But  whenev erany negati vityhappens, the y wan t towashhishandsofit. SWARAJ THAPA: Theissueis tha t theIBgivesoutalertsto  variou s state s regar dingVVIPs underthreat.Do you thinkthat theIB wil l nowthin k twi cebe- foresendingout alert s? We are jumping the gun. There is morehypein thepublicwithpoliti- cal parties getting into the fray. There has been no demand from the CBI about the prosecution of anyIB offi cer . Whentheyask usfor sanc tion,theywillhaveto comeup  with reaso ns and proof. The min- istry will take a view on it and act accordingly. For any government off ice r,ifit isproved tha t heis doi ng someth ingwrong, thenactionwill betaken.  APPUESTHOSE SURESH: Unlike intheWest , thereis noover- sightfor intelligence agen - cies.EvenI&B Minis terMan- ishTewa ri oncemoveda priva te Billfor bring ingthe IB unde r an oversi ghtbody of Parliament. Unfortunately , over the past few years, we have been disman- tling our own organisa tions, be it the IB or RAW. And we give less cre ditto thekindof worktheyhave been doing. Nobody comes to know of the good work they do. Buttheflawsof thes e orga nisa tion s aremagnifi edand everyb odytalks about them. There is a check and balance as far as our intelligence agencies are concerned. They re- por t tothe min istr y andtheHome Secretary and the Home Minister and there is action that we take. The reis asysteminplace . RAHUL TRIPA THI: TheIB’srole hasbeen questi onednot only intheIshratJaha n cas e,butin theSadiq Jamaland Maleg aon blastcases,wherenine people  werearreste d andthen re- lea sed . Doyou thi nkther e isa needto revisetheSOPs? Maleg oan was invest igatedby the Maha rasht raPoliceandSIT . TheIB  wasgettin g intoterro r case s,which itwas notmeantto bec ause itwas busywithother thing s.That iswhy  we formed the NIA. The NIA is nowlooki ngat allthes e cas es.It is because of the NIA that in the Malegaon case, the right people  werefound. It is a nascen t agency , butsofar IthinktheNIA hasmade progress. RAHUL TRIPA THI: TheUPgov- ernmen t hadrecentlyasked some20casestobe quashe d agains t Muslims, whichthe Hig h Cou rtstaye d.Is theCen- tralgovernmentdoingany- thingbecausethesepeople  werecaughtunder schedu led offences? I thin k itis extr emel y unfo rtuna teif terrorism and politics are mixed and I think anyone should tread awa y fromthatpath.Asfar aswhat the UP government has done, the High Court has already passed a  judgme nt onthat. I haveno ideaof any intimation that we have re- ceivedin thosecases. RAHUL TRIP ATHI: Whatis hap- peni ng onthe T elanganapro- posal? Bifu rca tionof stat esis anextremely sensi tivething.As faras T elangana is conce rned, the Congr ess has been committed on the issue of smaller states. We appointed the Srikr ishnaCommit teewhichcame out with six proposals. Before we takeanydecisi on,we woul d lik e all stakeholders to be on board. We aretryi ngour bes t totakeallideas forward. We were very close to a brea kthro ugh.In thelast fewdays, ther e has been some forwar d movem ent.In fact , theCongres s it- self has taken the initiative. The general secretary was in Andhra Pradesh recently. DKSINGH: Comingbacktothe Naxalattackin Chhat tisgar h, theneed leof susp ici onis pointi ng towar ds somesenior Congr ess leade rs. Whe n I went toRaipu r forthefirst time after the Prime Minister, So- niaGandhi andRahul Gandh i had gone, there were rumours among the press.Politicalparties wereput- tingtheseideas.The NIAis inves ti- gati ngthe caseandtheyareinvesti - gati ngall ang les.I thin k itis mor e of a rumour, but we will wait till the SHYAMLAL YADAV : Y ou arefrom UP . Whatresultsare youex- pec tin g in2014?WilltheCon- gre ssretai n allitsLok Sabha seats? T o behonestwith you,in 2009 , the re sults sur pri sed me. I nev er thought we would get 22 seats. I thinkUttarPradeshis goingto sur- prise me again. I think we are go- ingtobeatthatmarkthistime. SWARAJTHAPA: The reis agen- erat iona l shiftthathas hap- pene d in theCongre ss.Youare alsopartof thatchang e.How doyou assess thechange , the lead ersh ip ofRahul Gandhi?Is the resome tussl e withtheold Cong ress, theold idea s and  values? Not only the Congress but the  whole co untry is going through change. 2014 is going to see the largest number of people under 30 as voters and the whole de- mography of the country has cha nged. The demogra phi c change is going to be reflected in the politics of this country. Fortu- nately, we’ve managed to bring about a change, the engineer of  whichwas Mr Rahul Gandhiwho bro ught in a lar ge number of  younger people. It has been his ende avou r to getyoungerpeople involved in politics. The older generation, for example, cannot understand that there is some- thing known as social media. In fac t,even me—Iam caug htin be- twe enthe youn gerand olde r gen- erat ions .I thin k lead ersh iphas to take the old and the young to- gether , experie nce andthe energy of the younger lot to come out  with policiesthat encompassall. SWARAJ THAPA: What about Rahul Gandhi as prime minister? Obvio usly , theCongres s wouldlike to see him as prime minister one da y ,butI thi nkthejobhe doe snow isfar moreimporta nt andfar more difficult. He is trying to build the Congress in states where it is not doing well. I think that is some- thing he has taken upon himself. When children of busin essmen come intobusiness,they tel l the m to start at the floor shop. Even Rahul Gandhi started doing the peo plecomi ngin. We hav e a com- munications department within theAICC. Andhe(Rah ul)doe s not believ e socialmediais forbuilding a pers on.It isfor buil dingthe par ty.  Y ou askedabout the otherperson. He is building himself. So that is  where the difference is. It is not abo ut I,me, mys elf . It isaboutthe party you serve and the ideology thepartyrepr esen ts.Nobodyis big- ger than the party. Some people  wantto be biggerthanthe party. DKSINGH: Howdifferentis the incumb entHome Minist er fromhis pred ecesso r? Wearefollowingthe samepolicies that were being carried out by Mr P Chidambaram. In fact, he took some great initiatives within theminis tryandthatis someth ing myminist erhas notonlyfollo wed butimprovedupon. DKSINGH: Wha t doyou thi nkof Naren draModi beingin charg e ofUP?Willit mak e adiffer enc e if he conte stsfrom V arana si or Lucknow? Ithinkthetotalfocu sof theBJPon one manshows theirdesperation. That he is the magic that is going tomaketheBJPwin.Howar ethey going to win in India? Narendra Modi. How are they going to win in UP? Narendra Modi. So obvi- ously , itshows thattheyhave noth- ing to offer to the people of this country . Andit is extre melyunfortu- nate that after Amit Shah, they nee d Nar end raModi als o to come to UP . Youcanunderstandthat the BJP is bereft of ideas of how to tackle the coming general elec- tio ns.I don ’tthinkNaren draModi contesting from Varanas i or from  Ahmedabad is going to have any impac t on thepoliticsof UP . MAN OJC G: In Uttarakhand, thereis a perc eptio n thatthe Chi efMinis terwok e uplateto thetrag edyandthattheHome Minist ry conduc tedthe opera- tio ns.Whatis you r view ? Nobod y expe cted the kind of cala mity that struc k Utta rak- hand . Asfar asthe responsegoes,  we tried to do whatever possible. But in hindsight, it seems that more could have been done. But  we have learnt our lesso ns. The ’We have been dismantl ing our organisations, be it IB or RAW...When CBI asks for sanction (against IB officer), they will have to come up with proof’ “Th e fo cus ofthe BJPononemanshows th eir desperat ion. That he is themagi c tha t is going  to make the BJP win. How are they going to RAVIKANOJIA In this Idea Exchange, Minister of State for Home Affairs R P N Singh speaks about the need for a central Naxal strategy and the controversy over the IB officer’s alleged role in the Ishrat Jahan encounter. The session was moderated by Special Correspondent Manoj C G

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8 THE IDEA EXCHANGEJULY7, 2013 EXPRESS

MANOJC G: Nowthereis a

Naxalattackin Jharkhand, whichis underPresident’srule,comingdirectly undertheHomeMinistry. Do you think thepresentstrategyof tacklingNaxalitesis working,or doweneedto revisitit?In the last three or four years, wehave managed to get into their(Maoists’)core areas suchas Late-har. Allthe engagementthatis tak-ing place now is taking place intheir strongholds.So beit Lateharor Bastar, the CRPF or Army, theengagement is happening in theirstrongholds.Youcannothave a bigmilitary operation because wedon’t know whothe enemy is.Wegeta lotoftweetsaskingwhydon’t we let the Army go in, but whodo wetakeout? We have86battalionsof the CRPF in these states. We’vetried to move all our paramilitary forces intothe coreareas.

There are two strategies to re-moveus from thecore areas.Oneis to target soft targets, like they didin Chhattisgarh, politiciansornormal people.And thesecondisopening new fronts, like whatthey have done with the SP of Jharkhand. There is no greatNaxal problem in that area. Infact,thereis notevena singlebat-talionof the paramilitaryforcesinDumka. After this incident, wehave pulled out two battalionsandrushedthemto thisarea.

Ifyousee thestatisticsof2011, wehavehada hugedropin security personnel gettingkilledor ofNaxal violence. Overall,ifyou see2011, it was a far better year than the lastcoupleof years.

The other problem is all the

funds and the paramilitary forcesaregiven to differentstates. Every statehasa differentpolicyto tackleNaxalism. Whichever politicalparty is in power has its own way ofdealing.We don’t havea centralpolicy where Naxalism is con-cerned. So that is something wehave to adjust with the differentstate governments and work withthem.Butprimarily, ourtargetis tohit the top leadership. On theground,we areseeingthatthey arenotgettingthe kindof supportthatthey need. Secondly, the biggestproblemtheyarehavingisof armsand ammunition. That is the sup-plychainthat wehave managedtocutto acertainextent.

Wecan definitelydo better. Wecan have better coordinationamongcentralforces aswell aspo-

lice forces. In my opinion, mod-ernisation is in the kind of money that we have given to states thatareworst-affected.Afterthe unfor-tunate incidentin Chhattisgarh,re-

 viewmeetingswereheldin Raipur,

 which the Prime Minister himself attended, and at the Chief Minis-ters’ conference. Our priority isnow infrastructure developmentof theworst-affectedareas.I canun-derstand there is outrage at whathappened in Chhattisgarh and whathappened on the train in Bi-har, aswellas with theJharkhandSP, butit issomething that can’tbe wished away. We have a pro-gramme inplace.We willcontinueto have a hardline (policy) whereengagement is concerned, but we willtry todevelopinfrastructure intheseNaxal-affectedareas.

MANOJC G: Whatis your esti-mateof theCPI(Maoist)’sstrength?And whileyou talkedofdifferentstateshaving differ-entprogrammes,even theCon-gressand thegovernmenthavebeengiving mixedsignals.I thinkwe arecompletelyon boardonhowwe are totackleNaxalism.Where they are engaging withparamilitary forces and they arepickingup arms,we willtry tosub- jugatethem.As faras rehabilitatingtribalsis concerned—whichis ex-tremelyimportantand that’swhatpeople in the party also spokeabout—that is something we aretryingto do.We have givena lotof money. States were given 5,000kmof roadsin these areas.Wearetrying to make schoolsand hospi-tals.Weare monitoringthat devel-opment takes place in a time-boundmanner.

Theirnumericalstrengthis notsomethingI cangiveyou immedi-ately but it is not something thatlargethat itis alarming. Thepeople

at the top, the leaders, are very committed. Unfortunately, thekind ofmovementthat they haveinthe villages is very ruthless. Thatissomethingthatnever comesoutin the media. For example, the waythey tortureinformers.Thereisno hueandcry ifa tribalis killedbythe Naxalsand wehaveprovedthismanytimesthattheyusecivil-ians as human shields, including womenand children.But, ifthereisan encounter with the forces andsomebody dies, the paramilitary or the police forces are shown insuch poor light as if they are themainproblem.

COOMIKAPOOR:Therehasbeen a lotofcontroversyon theCBIimplicating anIB officer intheIshrat Jahanencounter.

Whatis your view?Do yoube-lievethattheIB shouldbe insu-lated? Wouldit bedemoralisedby suchaction?Firstofall,theCBIis inquiringinto

acaseof encounterthattookplace

in Gujarat, which is being moni-tored by the court. The CBI hasnamed an IB officer in thechargesheet. That is a completely different aspect. They have notaskedthe IBfor a sanction againsttheofficeryet.When theyask forasanction,wewill replyto thatques-tion atthattime.

 Yes,obviously, officersof theIBare goingto bea littleupset iftheirofficers are seen to be engaged infake encounters. The IB is a very, very good organisation and it hashelpedthis countryin many waysto counter many problems. But if there is enough proof, when theCBIcomesto us,we willexamineitand look at it from that point of  view. But it has been made politi-cal.The BJPseems tobe moreupsetthaneventhe IB.It isextremelyun-fortunate that a fake encountertook place.It isbeinginvestigatedbytheCBI,itis beingmonitoredby the court, so I don’t see why theBJPshould have anykindof prob-lem with that. And it has beenshown that there have been fakeencounters in Gujarat before. Infact, in the Sohrabuddin fake en-counter, they paid compensationtohimbeforethe courtevenruled.The BJP seems to get very jittery and always seems to react when-everthe campaigncommitteeheadcomes under any negativity in hisstate.He isreadyto take credit for Amul thoughDr Kurien did it. But wheneverany negativityhappens,they want towashhishandsofit.

SWARAJ THAPA:Theissueisthat theIBgivesoutalertsto various states regardingVVIPs

underthreat.Do you thinkthattheIB will nowthink twicebe-foresendingout alerts?We are jumping the gun. There ismorehypein thepublicwithpoliti-cal parties getting into the fray.There has been no demand fromthe CBI about the prosecution of anyIB officer. Whentheyask usforsanction,theywillhaveto comeup

 with reasons and proof. The min-

istry will take a view on it and actaccordingly. For any governmentofficer,ifit isproved that heis doingsomethingwrong, thenactionwillbetaken.

 APPUESTHOSE SURESH: UnlikeintheWest, thereis noover-sightfor intelligence agen-cies.EvenI&B MinisterMan-ishTewari oncemovedaprivate Billfor bringingthe IBunder an oversightbody of Parliament.

Unfortunately, over the pastfew years, we have been disman-tling our own organisations, be itthe IB or RAW. And we give lesscreditto thekindof worktheyhavebeen doing. Nobody comes toknow of the good work they do.Buttheflawsof these organisationsaremagnifiedand everybodytalksabout them. There is a check andbalance as far as our intelligenceagencies are concerned. They re-port tothe ministry andtheHomeSecretary and the Home Ministerand there is action that we take.Thereis asysteminplace.

RAHUL TRIPATHI: TheIB’srolehasbeen questionednot only intheIshratJahan case,butintheSadiq Jamaland Malegaonblastcases,wherenine people werearrested andthen re-leased. Doyou thinkthere isaneedto revisetheSOPs?Malegoan was investigatedby theMaharashtraPoliceandSIT. TheIB wasgetting intoterror cases,whichitwas notmeantto because itwas

busywithother things.That iswhy 

 we formed the NIA. The NIA isnowlookingat allthese cases.It isbecause of the NIA that in theMalegaon case, the right people werefound. It is a nascent agency,butsofar IthinktheNIA hasmadeprogress.

RAHUL TRIPATHI: TheUPgov-ernment hadrecentlyaskedsome 20casestobe quashedagainst Muslims, whichtheHigh Courtstayed.Is theCen-tralgovernmentdoingany-thingbecausethesepeople werecaughtunder scheduledoffences?I think itis extremely unfortunateif terrorism and politics are mixedand I think anyone should treadaway fromthatpath.Asfar aswhatthe UP government has done, theHigh Court has already passed a judgment onthat. I haveno ideaof any intimation that we have re-ceivedin thosecases.

RAHUL TRIPATHI:Whatis hap-pening onthe Telanganapro-posal?Bifurcationof statesis anextremely sensitivething.As faras Telanganais concerned, the Congress hasbeen committed on the issue of smaller states. We appointed theSrikrishnaCommitteewhichcameout with six proposals. Before wetakeanydecision,we would like allstakeholders to be on board. Wearetryingour best totakeallideasforward. We were very close to abreakthrough.In thelast fewdays,there has been some forwardmovement.In fact, theCongress it-self has taken the initiative. The

general secretary was in AndhraPradesh recently.

DKSINGH: ComingbacktotheNaxalattackin Chhattisgarh,theneedleof suspicionispointing towards someseniorCongress leaders.When I went toRaipur forthefirsttime after the Prime Minister, So-niaGandhi andRahul Gandhi hadgone, there were rumours amongthe press.Politicalparties wereput-tingtheseideas.The NIAis investi-gatingthe caseandtheyareinvesti-gatingall angles.I think itis more of a rumour, but we will wait till theNIAcomesout with itsfullreport.

MANOJC G: Isthe NIAprobingthepossibleinvolvementof Congress leaders?

No, it is not probing any rumoursabout Congress leaders being in- volved. It is probing why it took place,howit took place,wasthereaconspiracy.

SHYAMLAL YADAV: You arefrom

UP. Whatresultsare youex-pecting in2014?WilltheCon-gressretain allitsLok Sabhaseats?To behonestwith you,in 2009, theresults surprised me. I neverthought we would get 22 seats. IthinkUttarPradeshis goingto sur-prise me again. I think we are go-ingtobeatthatmarkthistime.

SWARAJTHAPA: Thereis agen-erational shiftthathas hap-pened in theCongress.Youarealsopartof thatchange.How doyou assess thechange, theleadership ofRahul Gandhi?Istheresome tussle withtheoldCongress, theold ideas and values?Not only the Congress but the whole co untry is going throughchange. 2014 is going to see thelargest number of people under30 as voters and the whole de-mography of the country haschanged. The demographicchange is going to be reflected inthe politics of this country. Fortu-nately, we’ve managed to bringabout a change, the engineer of  whichwas Mr Rahul Gandhiwhobrought in a large number of  younger people. It has been hisendeavour to getyoungerpeopleinvolved in politics. The oldergeneration, for example, cannotunderstand that there is some-thing known as social media. Infact,even me—Iam caughtin be-tweenthe youngerand older gen-erations. I think leadershiphas totake the old and the young to-gether, experience andthe energy of the younger lot to come out

 with policiesthat encompassall.

SWARAJ THAPA: Whatabout Rahul Gandhi asprime minister?Obviously, theCongress wouldliketo see him as prime minister oneday,butI thinkthejobhe doesnowisfar moreimportant andfar moredifficult. He is trying to build theCongress in states where it is notdoing well. I think that is some-thing he has taken upon himself.When children of businessmencome intobusiness,they tell themto start at the floor shop. EvenRahul Gandhi started doing thesame thing.He startedright atthebottom.

DILIPBOBB: NarendraModi is veryactiveon socialmedia,

RahulGandhi isnot.Why isheso reluctant?The Congress party and the lead-ership have now started using so-cial media and we see far more

peoplecomingin. We have a com-

munications department withintheAICC. Andhe(Rahul)does notbelieve socialmediais forbuildinga person.It isfor buildingthe party. You askedabout the otherperson.He is building himself. So that is where the difference is. It is notabout I,me, myself. It isabouttheparty you serve and the ideology thepartyrepresents.Nobodyis big-ger than the party. Some people wantto be biggerthanthe party.

DKSINGH: Howdifferentis theincumbentHome Ministerfromhis predecessor?Wearefollowingthe samepoliciesthat were being carried out by Mr P Chidambaram. In fact, hetook some great initiatives withintheministryandthatis somethingmyministerhas notonlyfollowedbutimprovedupon.

DKSINGH: What doyou thinkof NarendraModi beingin chargeofUP?Willit make adifferenceif he contestsfrom Varanasi orLucknow?Ithinkthetotalfocusof theBJPonone manshows theirdesperation.That he is the magic that is goingtomaketheBJPwin.Howarethey going to win in India? NarendraModi. How are they going to winin UP? Narendra Modi. So obvi-ously, itshows thattheyhave noth-ing to offer to the people of thiscountry. Andit is extremelyunfortu-nate that after Amit Shah, they need NarendraModi also to cometo UP. You canunderstandthat theBJP is bereft of ideas of how totackle the coming general elec-tions.I don’tthinkNarendraModi

contesting from Varanasi or from Ahmedabad is going to have any impact on thepoliticsof UP.

MANOJC G: In Uttarakhand,thereis a perception thattheChiefMinisterwoke uplatetothetragedyandthattheHomeMinistry conductedthe opera-tions.Whatis your view?Nobody expected the kind of calamity that struck Uttarak-hand. Asfar asthe responsegoes, we tried to do whatever possible.But in hindsight, it seems thatmore could have been done. But we have learnt our lesso ns. TheITBP, the NDRF and the armedforces did a marvellous job. Ithink why the government wasnot seen as actually doing some-thing is because the government

had ordered the best people tocarryout the rescue operations.

(Transcribedby Dipankar

Ghoseand Shalini Narayan)

’We have been dismantling our organisations, beit IB or RAW...When CBI asks for sanction (againstIB officer), they will have to come upwith proof’

“The focus ofthe BJP ononemanshows theirdesperation. That he is themagic that is going to make the BJP win. How are they going towinin India? Narendra Modi.How are theygoingto winin UP? Narendra Modi.Soobviously, it shows that they have nothingtoofferto thepeople of this country. I don’tthink 

Narendra Modi contesting fromVaranasi or from Ahmedabad is going to have any impacton the politicsof UP”

RAVIKANOJIA

In this IdeaExchange, Ministerof State for HomeAffairs R P N Singhspeaks about theneed for a central

Naxal strategy andthe controversyover the IB officer’salleged role in theIshrat Jahanencounter. Thesession wasmoderated bySpecialCorrespondentManoj C G