CanYou,Shia,AnswerTheseQuestions?

AlHassanbinAlirelinquishedforMu'awiyaandmadepeacewithhim,thathappenedatatimewherehe had enough armies and allieswhichwould allowed him to continued fighting. AlHussain bin Alicameouttowardespitethesmallnumberofhisfollowersatatimewhenhecouldhavemadepeace.Thistellsusthatoneofthemwasrightandtheotherwaswrongbecause:

IfAlHassan'sconcessionwiththeabilitytofightwasright,thenAlHussain'swarwithlackofmeanswaswrong.

IfAlHussain'swarwithlackofmeanswasright,thenAlHassan'sconcessionwiththeabilitytofightwaswrong.

And thisputsyou inaplacewherenoonecanenvyyou.Because ifyousay thatbothof themareright,youagreetotwooppositethingsandthisdestroysyourrootsandlogic.

So if you say that AlHussain's actionwaswrong then you have to believe in the falsehood of hisleadership"Imamah"andthefalsehoodoftheleadershipofhis fatherandhis infallibility.Becausehewasgivenatrustandthe infallible leaderdoesnotgive the trust toanyonebutan infallible likehim.And if you say thatAlHassan's actionwaswrong then youhave tobelieve in the falsehoodof hisleadership"Imamah"andthefalsehoodoftheleadershipofhischildrenandprogenybecauseheistheroot of their leadership and through him came the leadership. And if the root is wrong, then thebranchesareallwrong.

AndwesaytoeveryShia:

Regardlessofwhatyouanswertothisconundrum,youranswerisnotconvincingforthisreason:

YouwouldbelievethatAliacceptedtohimselfwhatthelowBedouinsoftheArabswouldnotacceptfor themselves and he is from the Prophet's family? And I repeat the question to you, if Umar'sshortcomingsarelikewhatyoudescribethenhowwouldAliaccepthimasahusbandtohisdaughter?SodotheShiaputAli inaclass that's lower than the Bedouins (sinceBedouinswon'taccept thisshameforthemselves)?AndwouldAlHussainacceptthis?OrwouldAlHasanacceptthis?

Andifyouacceptthat,thentheyarelessclassthantheBedouinofArabs!andthatisnotacceptabletous.TheissueisthatyoumakeupaccusationsagainstUmarbinAlKhattabandthenyouwantusto accept an excusewhich isworse than the sin itself. And your excuse is Taqiyya.Sowas it forTaqiyyathatAlimarriedhisdaughteroff toUmar?YoucurseUmar,makeupbad thingsabout him,andallege thathewasanapostate, thenafterall thatyouwant toclaim thatAliwasacoward too?This is not acceptable to us forUmarnor forAli. And ifUmar in your opinion is an Infidel and youclaimthatAliknewthat,thenwhydidhemarryhimofftohisdaughter?!

The whole thing is illogical completely. If the Sahaba (companions of the Prophet) were reallyapostates,asyouclaim,thendidAliuseTaqiyyahinsteadof fightingthem?IfusingTaqiyyah is theright thing to do, then why did Ali fight the infidels during the time of the Prophet instead of usingTaqiyyahtoendthematter?IftheKuffar'slandwasalandofwar(DarHarb),thentheMuslimlandunderAbuBakrandUmarisforsurealandofwaraswell.InthelandoftheKuffar,theinfidelsusedtobefoughtandcallsforwarwerecalled.AndintheMuslimlandunderAbuBakrandUmar,asyouclaim it tobea landofwar, youconsider theRightlyGuidedKhalifas infidels just like youconsiderYazeedandevenworse.Don'tyouconsiderthemMurtadeen(apostates)?ThenwhatisAli'sduty?Togetalongwiththisoneandbesubmissivetoothers?WouldtheImamAlisubmittoaninfidel(asyouclaim)who took themotherofMohammadbinAlHanafiyah (thesonof ImamAlibinAbiTalib)asa

womanprisonerduringthetimeofAbuBakr(whoinyouropinionisanunfairoppressor)?AccordingtoShiaFiqh,everythingthatanoppressordoesandallhisrulingsareinvalid.SowhydidImamAlitakethatwomanandhaveachildfromher?ThisisaninsulttotheImamformyourside.

If you compare Ali with Ammar, then you should remember that Ali's class is much higher thanAmmar'ssinceAli'spositiontotheProphetwaslikethestatusofHaroontoMusa,isn'tthatwhatyousay?Thenhowdoyoucomparethistothat?Anddespiteallthat,itwasanexceptionforAmmartobeusedonlyintimesofnecessity.Butforyou,itisareligionandacreed.Itisaprofessionratherthanahobby.Doesn'toneofyoursayingssay"Taqiyya is my religion and the religion of my fathers andgrandfathers"?Then it isareligionandnotanexception. It isacreedandarootandnotaspecialcase.SowouldAlisubmittotheinfidels?andwouldhemarryhisdaughterofftoaninfidel?andwouldAliaccepttohimselfwhatthelowestofArabswouldnever accept?Andisthereaninsultworsethansubmitting to the infidels? And is there is anymore humiliation thanmarrying his daughter off to apervert who allegedly hit and caused his wife, Fatimah, to miscarriage?Wouldn't you declare waragainsthim?AndyoualsoclaimthatUmarusedtodrinkAlcohol?AndyoucursehimandaccusehimofmoreinsultsthanthatbutyoustillexpectAlitosubmittohim?

Then why did Imam Ali go to war against the Kuffar if he was going to submit to the allegedapostates?Thenwhoissupposedtofightagainsttheoppressorsandtheapostates?AndyousaythatAmmarwasgivenanexcusebythemessenger?TherewerenoAyahsfromtheQuranaboutAmmar'sleadershipasyouclaim forAli.Andhewillnotbeconsideredan Imambyyouatanycase.AndhedoesnotcarryaresponsiblyliketheresponsibilityofAliasyousay.ThisisbecauseAmmarwas ledbutdidnot lead.AndAli lead,butyouclaimthathecannotbelead.Hewasaleader,notafollower.However, he submitted once to Abu Bakr, once to Umar, and once to Uthman and they were allapostatesasyouclaim!YourTaqiyya isarubber thatextendshereandshrinksthere!Yougive it toAmmarwhenhewasundertorturewhileitwasanexceptionforonetimeonly.AndforImamAli, thefree man and the brave war hero, you used it to justify his submission to Abu Bakr and then hissubmissiontoUmar.ThenyouuseditagaintoexplainhissubmissiontoUthman.Thenonceagain,itwasusedasa justificationforhimmarryinghisdaughterUmmKulthoomtoUmar.Andagain itwasusedtojustifyAli takingUmmMohammadbinAlHanafyeheventhoughshewasawarprisonerandthe ruler was an oppressor. This is not allowed in Shia Jurisprudence at all. So it is actually anadmittanceoftheleadershipofAbuBakr.ThenwhatwasAli'sdutyinthefirstplaceifhedidnotfightoppressionandinjustice?Thisisbasicallythetruthofyourwords.

ShiaReferences:

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