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Page 1: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Announcements

10/3

• Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13• Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4• Monday: Read 6E - 6G

Problem 6.4 says “scalar couplings” ig

Page 2: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Too many formulas

pu mu

pv mv

up um

vp vm

uu p m

vv p m

5 5

25 1

q q

5 5

q q

Tr 4 , Tr 4ab a b abcd a b c d a d c b a c d b

Page 3: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

General Procedure• Draw Feynman diagrams• Find intermediate momenta• Write Feynman amplitude for each diagram• Add or subtract them• Simplify if you can• Multiply by complex conjugate• For unpolarized cross-sections:• Sum over final spins• Average over initial spins

• Rewrite as traces• Recall, any number equals its trace• You can then move back to front in a trace

• Use sum over spins rules• Simplify using trace rules, etc.• Finish the problem in the usual way

*

5u qv 5vq u

, , ,pu mu pv mv up um vp vm

5 5 5 5Tru qvvq u u qvvq u

5 5Tr uu qvvq

,uu p m vv p m

Page 4: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Plus or minus?

For each pair of diagrams, should I add or subtract?

Add if they differ only by switching external boson linesSubtract if they differ only by switching external fermion lines

Possible answers: Add, Subtract, or Trick Question

Subtract Trick

AddAdd

Trick

Only add diagrams with identical

particles in initial and final states

Page 5: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

A hard computation6.8 Calculate the cross section for scattering. Treat all masses as zero.

1p

2p

3p

4p

3p

4p

1p

2p 3 5 1i u g uM 4 5 2u g u

2 21 3

i

p p M

4 5 1 3 5 2 2 2

1 4

iu g u u g u

p p M

2 23 5 1 4 5 2 4 5 1 3 5 2

2 2

1 3 1 4

ig u u u u ig u u u ui

p p p p

M

1 2 3 4p p p p

2 23 5 1 4 5 2 4 5 1 3 5 2

1 3 1 42 2

ig u u u u ig u u u u

p p p p

Page 6: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Multiply by complex conjugate 2

3 5 1 4 5 2 4 5 1 3 5 2

1 3 1 42

u u u u u u u uigi

p p p p

M

2* 1 5 3 2 5 4 1 5 4 2 5 3

1 3 1 42

u u u u u u u uigi

p p p p

M

3 5 1 4 5 2 1 5 3 2 5 4 3 5 1 4 5 2 1 5 4 2 5 32

41 3 1 42 1 3

4 5 1 3 5 2 1 5 3 2 5 4 4 5 1 3 5 2 1 5 4 2 5 32

1 3 1 4 1 4

4

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p pp pgi

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p p p p

M

Page 7: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Sum/Average over spins

3 5 1 4 5 2 1 5 3 2 5 4 3 5 1 4 5 2 1 5 4 2 5 32

41 3 1 42 1 3

spins spin 4 5 1 3 5 2 1 5 3 2 5 4 4 5 1 3 5 2 1 5 4 2 5 32

1 3 1 4 1 4

1

4 16 s

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p pp pgi

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p p p p

M

• Just as we sum over final momenta, we sum over final spins too• Initial spin usually random, so average over it

• Combine them so they each start and end with the same Dirac spinor

3 5 1 1 5 3 4 5 2 2 5 4 3 5 1 1 5 4 4 5 2 2 5 32

41 3 1 42 1 3

spins spin 4 5 1 1 5 3 3 5 2 2 5 4 4 5 1 1 5 4 3 5 2 2 5 32

1 3 1 4 1 4

1.

4 16 s

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p pp pgi

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p p p p

M

Page 8: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Replace with traces

3 5 1 1 5 3 4 5 2 2 5 4 3 5 1 1 5 4 4 5 2 2 5 32

41 3 1 42 1 3

spins spin 4 5 1 1 5 3 3 5 2 2 5 4 4 5 1 1 5 4 3 5 2 2 5 32

1 3 1 4 1 4

Tr Tr Tr

1

4 16 Tr Tr Trs

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p pp pgi

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p p p p

M

3 3 5 1 1 5 4 4 5 2 2 5 3 3 5 1 1 5 4 4 5 2 2 52

41 3 1 42 1 3

spins spin 4 4 5 1 1 5 3 3 5 2 2 5 4 4 5 1 1 5 3 3 5 2 2 52

1 3 1 4 1 4

Tr Tr Tr

1

4 16 Tr Tr Trs

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p pp pgi

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p p p p

M

Page 9: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Use the sum rules

,s s

uu p m vv p m

3 3 5 1 1 5 4 4 5 2 2 5 3 3 5 1 1 5 4 4 5 2 2 52

41 3 1 42 1 3

spins spin 4 4 5 1 1 5 3 3 5 2 2 5 4 4 5 1 1 5 3 3 5 2 2 52

1 3 1 4 1 4

Tr Tr Tr

1

4 16 Tr Tr Trs

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p pp pgi

u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u

p p p p p p

M

3 5 1 5 4 5 2 5 3 5 1 5 4 5 2 5

24

1 3 1 42 1 3

spins 4 5 1 5 3 5 2 5 4 5 1 5 3 5 2 5

21 3 1 4 1 4

Tr Tr Tr

1

4 16 Tr Tr Tr

p p p p p p p p

p p p pp pgi

p p p p p p p p

p p p p p p

M

Page 10: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Announcements

10/5

• Today: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4• Monday: Read 6E - 6G• Wednesday: Problems 6.6, 6.7

6.6 …For an added challenge, let m 0 but keep M =0.

6.7 Write the full Feynman amplitude for (k)(k’) (p)(p’) for pseudoscalar couplings.

6.8 Calculate the cross section for scattering. Treat all masses as zero.

1 2 3 4p p p p

Page 11: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Get rid of the 5’s

25 5 5, 1q q

3 5 1 5 4 5 2 5 3 5 1 5 4 5 2 5

24

1 3 1 42 1 3

spins 4 5 1 5 3 5 2 5 4 5 1 5 3 5 2 5

21 3 1 4 1 4

Tr Tr Tr

1

4 16 Tr Tr Tr

p p p p p p p p

p p p pp pgi

p p p p p p p p

p p p p p p

M

3 1 4 2 3 1 4 2

24

1 3 1 42 1 3

spins 4 1 3 2 4 1 3 2

21 3 1 4 1 4

Tr Tr Tr

1

4 16 Tr Tr Tr

p p p p p p p p

p p p pp pgi

p p p p p p p p

p p p p p p

M

Page 12: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Simplify and take traces

Tr 4 , Tr 4ab a b abcd a b c d a d c b a c d b

3 1 4 2 3 1 4 2

24

1 3 1 42 1 3

spins 4 1 3 2 4 1 3 2

21 3 1 4 1 4

Tr Tr Tr

1

4 16 Tr Tr Tr

p p p p p p p p

p p p pp pgi

p p p p p p p p

p p p p p p

M

1 3 2 4 1 3 2 4 1 4 2 3 1 2 3 42

1 3 1 42 1 34

spins 1 4 2 3 1 3 2 4 1 2 3 4 1 4 2 32

1 3 1 4 1 4

41

4

4

p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p

p p p pp pi g

p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p

p p p p p p

M

• Note middle two terms are identical

Page 13: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Work on dot products

2 1 2 3 4 2 4 1 3 2 3 1 44 2 32 4

spins 1 3 1 4 1 3 1 4

1

4 2

p p p p p p p p p p p pp pp pi g

p p p p p p p p

M

• What are the momenta? • Recall all particles massless

1 2 3 4p p p p

1 3

2 4

,0,0, , sin cos , sin sin , cos

,0,0, , sin cos , sin sin , cos

p E E p E E E E

p E E p E E E E

2 2 21 2 3 4 1 3 2 4 1 4 1 32 , 1 cos , 1 cosp p p p E p p p p E p p p p E

2 22 4

spins

4 1 cos 1 cos11 1

4 2 1 cos 1 cosi g

M

2

4

2

4 2 2cos2

2 1 cosg

2 4

spins

13

4i g M

Page 14: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Finish the problem …2 4

spins

13

4i g M

• Find D:

2 1 1 24

D

E E p

p 28

D

E

2

216 cm

pD i d

E M

2

2spins

1

16 4cm

pD i d

E M

2

2spins

1

16 2 4

ED i d

E M

4

2

3

32

gd

4

2 2

3

128

gd

E

4

2 2

3

128

d g

d E

• Recall we have identical final state particles: 4

2

3

64

g

E

43

16

g

s

Page 15: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

A hard computation6.5 Calculate the cross section for scattering.

5 5

2 2

u g i p k m g ui

p k m

M

5 5 5 5

5 5

, ,q q m m

q m q m

p k p k

p p k k

p p k k

p k p k

5 5

2 2

u g i p k m g u

p k m

5 522 2 22

u p k m ui ig

p k p k m

M

5 522 2 22

u k p m uig

p k p k m

2 22 22 2

u p k m u u k p m ui ig ig

M p k M p k

M

25 1

pu mu

u p u m

2 2

2 22 2

ig u ku ig u ku

M p k M p k

Page 16: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Square and sum/average on spins p k p k

22 2

1 1

2 2i ig u ku

M p k M p k

M

* 22 2

1 1

2 2i ig uku

M p k M p k

M

2

2 42 2

1 1

2 2i g uku u ku

M p k M p k

M

24

2

2 2spins spins

1 1 1

2 2 2 2

gi uku u ku

M p k M p k

M

24

2

2 2spins

1 1 1Tr

2 2 2 2

gi p m k p m k

M p k M p k

M

uu p m

u u p m

Page 17: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Do the traces

24

2

2 2spins

1 1 1Tr

2 2 2 2

gi p m k p m k

M p k M p k

M

2Tr Trp m k p m k pkp k m kk

• Only even number of Dirac matrices contribute

Tr 4 4 4 , Tr 4 .abcd a b c d a d c b a c b d ab a b

2 2Tr 4 4 4 4p m k p m k p k p k p k p k p p k k m k 2 2 28 4 4p k p k p p M m M

2

2 4 2 2 22 2

spins

1 1 12 2

2 2 2i g p k p k p p M m M

M p k M p k

M

Page 18: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Announcements

10/8

• Today: Read 6E - 6G• Wednesday: Problems 6.6, 6.7

6.6 …For an added challenge, let m 0 but keep M =0.

6.7 Write the full Feynman amplitude for (k)(k’) (p)(p’) for pseudoscalar couplings.

Page 19: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Write out the momenta explicitly p k p k

• In the cm frame, the initial particles must have equal and opposite momenta p

• But the initial energies will not match• The final particles also have matching momenta p’• The final energies will be:• But energy is conserved:

2 2 2 2,p kE p m E p M

2 2 2 2,p kE p m E p M

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2p m p M p m p M

• To make this work, p = p’ ,p p k kE E E E

,0,0, , sin cos , sin sin , cos

,0,0, , sin cos , sin sin , cos

p p

k k

p E p p E p p p

k E p k E p p p

Page 20: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Replace all the dot products ,0,0, , ,0,0, , , sin cos , sin sin , cosp k pp E p k E p p E p p p

2

2 4 2 2 22 2

spins

1 1 12 2

2 2 2i g p k p k p p M m M

M p k M p k

M

2 2 2 2, cos , cosp k p k pp k E E p p k E E p p p E p

2

2 42 2 2 2

spins

2 2 2 2 2 2 2

1 1 12

2 2 2 cos 2 2

2 cos cos

p k p k

p k p k p

i gM E E p M E E p

E E p E E p E p M m M

M

2

2

1 1

24 16k p p k

d pi

d E E E E

p kM

Page 21: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

How do you average over spins?

When you have a spin ½ particle in the initial state, you sum over spins and divide by two. When you have two spin ½ particles in the initial state, you sum over spins and divide by four. What do you divide by if you have n spins in the initial state?

Does your formula work for n = 0?

1 spin: ,

2 spin: , , ,

3 spin: , , , , , , ,

Page 22: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Questions from the Reading Quiz“ I'm still confused on the whole pseudoscalar vs scalar thing. How do we pick the "scalar theory" of the "pseudoscalar theory". Which one is right?”

Answer: Neither is right, because it’s not a real theory.

2 2

3/22 2 2 22

4 , 48 8s P

g gM m M m

M

Page 23: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Questions from the Reading Quiz“Could we please go over the B coupling on page 101?”

iB

Page 24: Announcements 10/3 Today: Problems 5.11, 5.12, 5.13 Friday: Problems 6.1, 6.2, 6.4 Monday: Read 6E - 6G Problem 6.4 says scalar couplings

Scalar vs. Pseudoscalar couplings

1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2, , , ,p s p s p s p s

1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2, , , ,p s p s p s p s

1 1 1 5 1.i u u vs i u u M M