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    mistakemaker

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 4:16 pm

    ESTAdvice From an Ex Criminal

    Hey Guys. I am sure that many people here know that I used be acriminal when I was in my late teens and lived the life of a real loser.Anyways, in my experience I learned a few things and can now viewprotecting my house from the point of view of the home owner and theyintruder.

    I locked my keys in my car the other day. At the same time I locked

    myself out of my house. Whenever I leave my house I only lock one lock.I took my insurance card out of my wallet and was in my house in lessthan 30 seconds. It made me think of a few things and I inspected myhouse and viewed it from the criminal perspective and realized how easyI could have my house invaded.

    Here a a few key points that I hope can help you guys:

    1. Door locks are designed (for the most part) so the door can close mythe lock is in the locked position. To be able to do this the lock bar is cuton an angle and has a spring behind it. It is very easy to take an object

    like a credit card and slide in inside the door frame, pull it back towardsyou and open the door. Newer doors are offset to try to stop this but Ihave a brand new door and was able to get in with something thinner thana credit card.

    2. Old windows are not designed for safety and can be opened from theoutside using a thin card.

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    3.I was in the house and into my room in a total of about 45 seconds.think how long it would take you to hear a noise, gather yourself, getyour gun and get in an offensive/defensive position. Do you have kids?Could an intruder be into their room in 45 seconds? Can you defend yourroom and your kids room from your room?

    Things I would avoid if I were looking for a house to rob:

    1. dogs2. burglar alarm sign3. more than one grown man living there4. new windows5. well lit outside6. lights on inside all night.

    Believe or not a gun does not always deter a thief, it actually is one thethe easiest things to sell that you can steal.

    If you guys already know this than good. If not, I hope I helped in someway.

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    supertac45

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 4:52 pmEST

    Don't agree

    Lights on outside help the bad guy move around easily since you ornobody else is probably watching. Lights on inside are the same. If youdon't believe it, turn a bunch of lights on inside when it's dark, and havesomeone move around inside while your outside. To an experienced eye,it's very clear if anybody is up and moving inside. Even with heavy

    drapes, shadows from the lights show to the person outside. I've been in ahouse where the owner, (my step son-in-law), explained how great hisalarm system was, and to please not open the back deck door during thenight because the alarm would go off and the police notified. During thenight, the wind picked up, a big limb came down and busted out most ofthe glass in the sliding deck door. No alarm. (Yes, I heard it, he didn't,and checked it out with a 1911). I do agree with the dog since they beatany alarm made. I know the dog doesn't call the police, but I haven't

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    heard of any record response times by either the alarm company or thePolice. With someone in your house, and everyone asleep, I can't seewhere having 3 males sleeping have any more deterrance over 1 sleeping.Your all at the mercy of the bad guy since he won't be making muchnoise moving around the house with the lights on. I work in corrections,

    and the bad guy worries about any dog and a armed home owner.Nothing else.

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    mistakemaker

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 5:57 pmEST

    RE: Don't agree, you'd be wrong

    supertac45 wrote:Lights on outside help the bad guy move around easily since you ornobody else is probably watching. Lights on inside are the same. If youdon't believe it, turn a bunch of lights on inside when it's dark, and havesomeone move around inside while your outside. To an experienced eye,

    it's very clear if anybody is up and moving inside. Even with heavydrapes, shadows from the lights show to the person outside. I've been in ahouse where the owner, (my step son-in-law), explained how great hisalarm system was, and to please not open the back deck door during thenight because the alarm would go off and the police notified. During thenight, the wind picked up, a big limb came down and busted out most ofthe glass in the sliding deck door. No alarm. (Yes, I heard it, he didn't,and checked it out with a 1911). I do agree with the dog since they beatany alarm made. I know the dog doesn't call the police, but I haven'theard of any record response times by either the alarm company or thePolice. With someone in your house, and everyone asleep, I can't see

    where having 3 males sleeping have any more deterrance over 1 sleeping.Your all at the mercy of the bad guy since he won't be making muchnoise moving around the house with the lights on. I work in corrections,and the bad guy worries about any dog and a armed home owner.Nothing else.

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    Supertac45N.R.A. Endowment Life MemberMCRGO

    No offense but I broke into houses and have been charged with it. I knowwhat I was thinking when I was doing along with the guidlines set by thepeople who taught me how to get in.

    You never commit a crime under a light. Like breaking into house in thelight. I would feel like I was under a spot light. You never break into ahouse with men, this is just common sense. That is why elderly peopleand women are often targeted. I would rather tussle with one guy than aguy and his two teenage sons. Working in corrections doesn't mean much.I have done time and never sat and discussed my crime with a C/O. Yes, Iwould worry about a home onwer who was armed but many houses are

    targeted because of the guns inside. We would wait until the homeonwerwas not home but many criminals are suprised by homeowners that theythought were not home.

    Listen, go outside your house and think how you would want to get inundetected. You would not try to get in under the light. Also the lightinside: The reason I avoided these houses is because people on the ousidecan see me inside. It had nothing to do with me thinking the owner washome or awake. You are not thinking like a criminal, you are thinkinglike a c/o who thinks he knows how to think like a criminal. You can onlytruly think like a criminal when you are commting a crime and your A$$

    is on the line.Current score: 2.83237Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

    gakimba

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 6:07 pm

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    My cure...

    I've written this before (and will probably do it again)...

    My answer to this problem is to employ motion detectors. I have the fullperimeter of my house encircled with motion detectors that alert insidethe house.

    I used to be the kind of guy that would spring up in the middle of thenight when I heard any sound that might have been an intruder...nolonger. The motion detectors work so well that I sleep MUCH better at

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    night, with full confidence of getting a head-start notice if anyone issneaking around outside.

    I highly recommend them to anyone interested in gaining an edge overwould-be intruders.

    It's the best $200 I ever spent.Current score: 3.17516Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

    saxd9

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 6:57 pm

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    Mistakemaker,

    Thanks for the tips. You should try to make a business out of educatingpeople like that. God bless you, dude.Current score: 3.21095Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

    mistakemaker

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 7:41 pm

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    RE: Mistakemaker,

    saxd9 wrote:Thanks for the tips. You should try to make a business out of educatingpeople like that. God bless you, dude.

    Thank you. Have to repay society back anyway I can.Current score: 2.62915Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

    mistakemaker

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 7:53 pm

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    RE: My cure...

    gakimba wrote:I've written this before (and will probably do it again)...

    My answer to this problem is to employ motion detectors. I have the full

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    perimeter of my house encircled with motion detectors that alert insidethe house.

    I used to be the kind of guy that would spring up in the middle of thenight when I heard any sound that might have been an intruder...no

    longer. The motion detectors work so well that I sleep MUCH better atnight, with full confidence of getting a head-start notice if anyone issneaking around outside.

    I highly recommend them to anyone interested in gaining an edge overwould-be intruders.

    It's the best $200 I ever spent.

    Very good thing to do. Not only can it alarm you to an intruders presence,

    noone wants to be in the light while commiting a crime.Current score: 2.83237Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

    mik_45acp

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 7:55 pm

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    info from someone that's been there.

    i myself have worked as an leo,c/o,and i used to install,and service alarm

    systems.and i can tell you thatalarms,and motion detectors can be disabled,and rendereduseless.i used to own a house in a pretty decent area,andhad some crackheads move into a rental around the corner.in the three to four months that they lived there.my housegot burglarized three times.the culprits never got away withanything.there drug addiction took away from commen sense,and therebetter judgement. all three break ins we were home.sleeping once,andsitting in the living roomwatching t.v. the other two times.the first time i was unarmed.the othertwo times i made sure i was armed with a good .45.then last may i was

    renting a farmhouse in bfe,and had 5 firearms stolen when we were nothome.just goes to show that sometimes the best precautions aren'tenough.Current score: 2.98522Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

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    Guidelines

    Since you stated you've done time, I guess your own guidelines didn't

    work, whatever they might be. I do know under what conditions mostcriminals are caught, and it comes from official police reports. To hearthe average convict tell it, they all have a PhD. Motion detectors are goodif they are the better ones, and placed in the right places. Dogs are great.

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 8:15 pm

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    mistakemaker's Number One Avoidance

    In the 1970s, Johnny Carson had a guest on his show that was aprofessional burglar and had spent time in San Quentin prison after beingarrested and sentenced. Johnny asked him what was the number one

    deterrence to a professional burglar and the man immediately replied adog. Ill never forget his lightning response.

    Like gakimba, my wife and I sleep very well at night with two K-9s atthe foot of our bed.

    Good points above and a sober reminder to all of us that there are peoplelurking around our communities that dont think twice about burglarizingour homes.

    Current score: 3.11717

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    RJP

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    alarms

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    -packingEmail the alarm systems installed around here are a joke. We have one localcompany that has 80+ percent of the residential market(ADT, othernationals have the rest). They do all their installs the same way oncrawlspace houses, and they can be defeated in less than 30 seconds byany standard garden-variety crook.

    I will not tell on the Internet how it's done in this case, but look carefullyat your "professionally installed" alarm systems, and see if you can figureout a way to defeat the whole system without even going into the house.

    It took me maybe an hour to make mine bombproof.Current score: 3.01032Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

    mistakemaker

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    Posted Nov 22, 2006 @ 9:56 pm

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    I am not coming off like I have a phd. I am saying that I have broken intoa house which trumps your experience as c/o when it comes to figuringout how someone thinks when it comes to breaking into houses. I nevergot convicted of a B/E, I was arrested for it though.

    I was locked up on drug charges. None of this I am proud of and honestlyadmire the life and career you chose.

    That being said. I worked with police, the DA, and the local detectives.They are not as smart as they think. LEO's come off like the criminal isstupid. Think about this, I have commited over 1000 felonies and have 3convictions. 1000 may sound like BS but think if I made 10 drug sales aday for 4 years. That is over 1000 felonies.

    Anyway, Lets not get into any sort of pissing match. I can only tell youmy and my fellow criminals mindframe while commiting those crimes.

    When it comes to crackheads and other lower life forms, their really is no

    way to stop them except a dog.Current score: 2.62006Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

    gakimba

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    I tried to write back to your e-mail, but I got an error. Let me know if itcame through.

    I also tried to respond to this forum with a better explanation of things,but I keep getting blocked from its security module. Huh? Don't knowwhat that's about...

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    TEXAS SIXGUN

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    Posted Nov 23, 2006 @ 12:20 am

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    yes dogs do well so does gunsill tell ya from experience to keep em from trying your windows plantcactus and thorny bushes(cat-claw work well)also around same windows gravel amazingly you can hear it very wellinside sleeping and be alerted, beats any alarm that is not activated tilldoors or windows are compromised it gives plenty of time to armyourself and be waiting to defend. dogs are great too but sometimes they

    ignore simple subtleties and are themselves startled at times(they get usedto kids walking around and husbands coming inn late from work) lightsoff is best cause when you sneak up on an intruder you flip the switch andinstant light amazingly just like a deer in headlights it momentarily blindslong enough to shoot the S O B giving you that extra edge keeping yousafe later dudesCurrent score: 3.26087Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

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    Posted Nov 23, 2006 @ 9:40 am

    ESTCheap but effective techniques................

    For sliding windows, a section of dowel to prevent the window fromsliding works well. On doors, the old deadbolt lock with at least a 1"throw is all but infallible. Make sure it's the type that needs a key fromboth sides.

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    The old casement type windows work well too. They have to be brokenopen before the thief can reach inside and lift up the handle.

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    Posted Nov 23, 2006 @ 11:33 am

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    Just my two cents

    I agree with having K-9's.However, if they are not formidable security dogs, then BG's will not bestopped. You'd be surprised at the reaction of most peoples familiy pet

    when confronted by an intruder. Also, If the intruder is absolutely hellbent on gettining in, then a couple steaks with antifreeze on them willremove any non-trained K-9 threat.Current score: 2.95632Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

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    RE: Advice From an Ex Criminalmistakemaker wrote:Hey Guys. I am -------- a real loser.1. Door locks are designed (for the most part) so the door can close mythe lock is in the locked position. To be able to do this the lock bar is cuton an angle and has a spring behind it. It is very easy to take an objectlike a credit card and slide in inside the door frame, pull it back towardsyou and open the door. Newer doors are offset to try to stop this but Ihave a brand new door and was able to get in with something thinner thana credit card.

    You must be talking about "newer locks" from the 40's and 50's. Today'slocks have a "dead-lock" feature that prevents the latch from beingpushed back by a credit card (or your insurance card) when the door isclosed and the latch bolt is in the strike-plate. Of course if you live in anold house where the door is loose in the jamb by about a half inch or so,then this feature won't work. But a good 1" throw dead bolt will.

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    2. Old windows are not designed for safety and can be opened from theoutside using a thin card.

    3.I was in the house and into my room in a total of about 45 seconds.think how long it would take you to hear a noise, gather yourself, getyour gun and get in an offensive/defensive position. Do you have kids?Could an intruder be into their room in 45 seconds? Can you defend yourroom and your kids room from your room?

    You are welcome to try it in my house. So far the score here, over the last20 years, is one went to the hospital for 3 weeks and the other is stilldoing time.

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    Posted Nov 24, 2006 @ 4:32 am

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    RE: RE: Advice From an Ex Criminalamlevin wrote:mistakemaker wrote:Hey Guys. I am -------- a real loser.1. Door locks are designed (for the most part) so the door can close mythe lock is in the locked position. To be able to do this the lock bar is cuton an angle and has a spring behind it. It is very easy to take an objectlike a credit card and slide in inside the door frame, pull it back towardsyou and open the door. Newer doors are offset to try to stop this but Ihave a brand new door and was able to get in with something thinner thana credit card.

    You must be talking about "newer locks" from the 40's and 50's. Today'slocks have a "dead-lock" feature that prevents the latch from beingpushed back by a credit card (or your insurance card) when the door isclosed and the latch bolt is in the strike-plate. Of course if you live in anold house where the door is loose in the jamb by about a half inch or so,then this feature won't work. But a good 1" throw dead bolt will.

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    2. Old windows are not designed for safety and can be opened from theoutside using a thin card.

    3.I was in the house and into my room in a total of about 45 seconds.think how long it would take you to hear a noise, gather yourself, getyour gun and get in an offensive/defensive position. Do you have kids?Could an intruder be into their room in 45 seconds? Can you defend yourroom and your kids room from your room?

    You are welcome to try it in my house. So far the score here, over the last20 years, is one went to the hospital for 3 weeks and the other is stilldoing time.

    I would not try it on anyones house. I don't know what you think yougained by edited my post to make it say that I am a loser. Your wrongabout the locks. I have a new door and locks. My house was rehabbedbefore I bought it. You don't know as much as you think you do old man.Old guys like you crack me up. So stuck in your ways, have not learnedanything in years and put their family in jeopardy through their ownignorance. Let me guess, both of those guys tried to break in your housebut you being John Wayne, woke, grabbed your gun and suprised theintruder? You sir, are the loser.Current score: 2.06634Rate this postReply to: This thread | This post

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    Posted Nov 24, 2006 @ 1:45 pm

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    I have no burglar alarm,

    that is connected to any alarm company or PD.I do have sensor lights at every entrance to my house. All door entrancesto my house are higher than ground level. In other words you have toclimb stairs to get in. All locks on my doors are deadbolts. I have a sensorlight in my house that will be activated from any of the inside entrancesinto my home. It is true, none of this stuff will prevent a window frombeing broken to gain entry.I also have a dog. Just a noise maker. He's a miniature-pinscher and hasone heck of an attitude.My bedroom is the first one up the stairs and my kids rooms are in the

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    back. The only access to their rooms from outside are the bedroomwindows and they are 12 feet off the ground so the bad guy has to gothrough me to get to my kids. If I hear a noise in the night my .45 is in myhand in two seconds.If a bad guy wants to case my place in the day I have plenty of pro-gun

    and military bumper stickers on my vehicles and front door to my home.My 30' flag pole out front flies of course the U.S. flag and below thatvarious military type flags depending on what kind of mood I'm in. Thatis the first thing you see coming up to my house and I'm hoping this let'sthe bad guy know that this is one Vet he don't want to tangle with.If entrance is gained into my home when nobody is there, they can takethe TV and stereo. Those items can be replaced. In my opinion they arenon-valuable items.I keep all my valuable items, important documents, jewelry and firearmsin large gun safes.If I could, I would bar all my doors and windows. What keeps me from

    doing that is a quick escape if there is a fire.I know if someone was to break into my home they would be verydisappointed because there is not much in my house they could take thatis worth a lot of money. They wouldn't be gaining much and hope thatwould deter them from trying it again. That is how I like it.

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    Posted Nov 24, 2006 @ 8:59 pm

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    RE: RE: RE: Advice From an Ex Criminal

    mistakemaker wrote:amlevin wrote:mistakemaker wrote:

    Hey Guys. I am -------- a real loser.1. Door locks are designed (for the most part) so the door can close mythe lock is in the locked position. To be able to do this the lock bar is cuton an angle and has a spring behind it. It is very easy to take an objectlike a credit card and slide in inside the door frame, pull it back towardsyou and open the door. Newer doors are offset to try to stop this but Ihave a brand new door and was able to get in with something thinner thana credit card.

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    You must be talking about "newer locks" from the 40's and 50's. Today'slocks have a "dead-lock" feature that prevents the latch from beingpushed back by a credit card (or your insurance card) when the door is

    closed and the latch bolt is in the strike-plate. Of course if you live in anold house where the door is loose in the jamb by about a half inch or so,then this feature won't work. But a good 1" throw dead bolt will.

    2. Old windows are not designed for safety and can be opened from theoutside using a thin card.

    3.I was in the house and into my room in a total of about 45 seconds.think how long it would take you to hear a noise, gather yourself, getyour gun and get in an offensive/defensive position. Do you have kids?Could an intruder be into their room in 45 seconds? Can you defend yourroom and your kids room from your room?

    You are welcome to try it in my house. So far the score here, over the last20 years, is one went to the hospital for 3 weeks and the other is stilldoing time.

    I would not try it on anyones house. I don't know what you think you

    gained by edited my post to make it say that I am a loser. Your wrongabout the locks. I have a new door and locks. My house was rehabbedbefore I bought it. You don't know as much as you think you do old man.Old guys like you crack me up. So stuck in your ways, have not learnedanything in years and put their family in jeopardy through their ownignorance. Let me guess, both of those guys tried to break in your housebut you being John Wayne, woke, grabbed your gun and surprised theintruder? You sir, are the loser.Perhaps you might take some time and learn from those older than you.Anyone, not just me. If you had, maybe you could have avoided your jailexperience.

    I happen to have far more experience with locks than you. I have installedhundreds, opened Safe Deposit Boxes and Safes can speak well for how alock works. If you are able to "shim" or "wire" a latch, it was not installedcorrectly.

    When you refer to "losers" just remember who got caught and did thetime.

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    "Learn history or be doomed to repeat it!"Current score: 3.21376Rate this post

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    Posted Nov 25, 2006 @ 1:37 pm EST

    RE: alarmsRJP wrote:the alarm systems installed around here are a joke. We have one local company that has80+ percent of the residential market(ADT, other nationals have the rest). They do alltheir installs the same way on crawlspace houses, and they can be defeated in less than 30seconds by any standard garden-variety crook.

    I will not tell on the Internet how it's done in this case, but look carefully at your"professionally installed" alarm systems, and see if you can figure out a way to defeat thewhole system without even going into the house.

    It took me maybe an hour to make mine bombproof.

    To my fellow PDO'ers...As a security specialist, the above mentioned note about the security system is correct.The answer is "Defense in Depth". (For sake of not making this post too long, google theterm)

    It boils down to how much money you are willing to spend, how probable theexploitation of your vulnerabilities are, and do you have something or are something thatis very valuable and above average. (i.e., business owner, movie star, etc, etc.)

    What do I do personally, you ask?1) Own a dog;2) Have a security system with redundant means of communications (which I did myself,not the local tech)3) Motion sensing lights outside the house4) Surveillance cams for insurance purposes5) Bolted safe in basement.

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    6) ...and ofcourse, strategically available firepower covering certain scenarios.

    I can afford all of the above, so this solution is viable for me. My valuables are myfamily, and some material items which I keep in my safe.

    More effective than the counter-measures I pointed out above, is to have a plan. Moreimportantly, is to take the time to plan out possibilities and scenarios you deem likely andwhat you can do to help mitigate those risks. This will help you raise your securityposture and awareness...and this first step is not costly and will help you tremendously.

    Be safe!

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    WARNING: This post has been moderated as inappropriate content. It is the property ofthe poster (all rights reserved) and reflects neither the opinions of packing.org nor themajority of its readers.RE: RE: RE: RE: Advice From an Ex Criminal

    amlevin wrote:mistakemaker wrote:amlevin wrote:mistakemaker wrote:Hey Guys. I am -------- a real loser.1. Door locks are designed (for the most part) so the door can close my the lock is in thelocked position. To be able to do this the lock bar is cut on an angle and has a springbehind it. It is very easy to take an object like a credit card and slide in inside the doorframe, pull it back towards you and open the door. Newer doors are offset to try to stopthis but I have a brand new door and was able to get in with something thinner than acredit card.

    You must be talking about "newer locks" from the 40's and 50's. Today's locks have a"dead-lock" feature that prevents the latch from being pushed back by a credit card (or

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    your insurance card) when the door is closed and the latch bolt is in the strike-plate. Ofcourse if you live in an old house where the door is loose in the jamb by about a half inchor so, then this feature won't work. But a good 1" throw dead bolt will.

    2. Old windows are not designed for safety and can be opened from the outside using athin card.

    3.I was in the house and into my room in a total of about 45 seconds. think how long itwould take you to hear a noise, gather yourself, get your gun and get in anoffensive/defensive position. Do you have kids? Could an intruder be into their room in45 seconds? Can you defend your room and your kids room from your room?

    You are welcome to try it in my house. So far the score here, over the last 20 years, is onewent to the hospital for 3 weeks and the other is still doing time.

    I would not try it on anyones house. I don't know what you think you gained by editedmy post to make it say that I am a loser. Your wrong about the locks. I have a new doorand locks. My house was rehabbed before I bought it. You don't know as much as youthink you do old man. Old guys like you crack me up. So stuck in your ways, have notlearned anything in years and put their family in jeopardy through their own ignorance.Let me guess, both of those guys tried to break in your house but you being John Wayne,woke, grabbed your gun and surprised the intruder? You sir, are the loser.Perhaps you might take some time and learn from those older than you. Anyone, not just

    me. If you had, maybe you could have avoided your jail experience.

    I happen to have far more experience with locks than you. I have installed hundreds,opened Safe Deposit Boxes and Safes can speak well for how a lock works. If you areable to "shim" or "wire" a latch, it was not installed correctly.

    When you refer to "losers" just remember who got caught and did the time.

    "Learn history or be doomed to repeat it!"

    I got caught and did time but that does not make me a loser. I WAS a loser. Now I have ajob where I sit at a computer and I will be a mechanical engineer soon. How can you canyou compare lock experience when my experience is getting into peoples houses andyour is well something else. You started in one me by editing my post to say I was a loserand by challenging me to come to your house and try to break in. I never said anythingthat deserved that.

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    I ended up living that life through have a shitty family situation. Every boy needs a fatherto teach him him how to be a man. My father had a negative affect on me. I made myown decisions still and accept responsibility.

    You underestimate criminals. I have worked with criminals and LEOs and can tell you

    cops I worked with where not that smart. I took them in under cover busts and they damnnear blew it by losing their cool or would argue with me on the amount of drugs to buy.Me being the dumb criminal had to explain the the officer that we needed to buy 2 ouncesof marijuana from the dealer and he argued that we did not need to buy that much. Wedid need to though to make it over 50 grams and a felony. We ended up doing it my way

    Also, getting caught means nothing. A guy tells on you, or turns on you to get a deal. Forevery crime a inmate is locked up for there are 100's he did not get caught for. It is amatter of odds.

    I am a mechanical draftsman and use Pro-E wildfire. Look that up on monster.com and

    you'll see it pays over $30 an hour. I went to school for it and paid with cash I workedfor. There is no way you or anyone else can ever call me a loser.

    I went from jail to a homeowner making good money. How many people can say theyovercame challenges like that?Current score: 2.31184Rate this post

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