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78TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
JANUARY 29? 1974
REGULAR SESSION
:1. PRESIDENT: :
l2. Pursuant to our Adlournment Resolutinn the Senate Will I
lI3. aome to order. The prayer Will be offered by Fakher James
4. Condrath, of St. Benedicks Church, in Auburn. Father II5
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6. (Prayer given by Father Condrath) lI7
. PRESIDENT: II8
. I wish to announce to you that the installation of the 1I9
. Electronic Voting Machine has begun to the extent that your ll10
. page call buttons are disconnected. The pages are aware of Il
1l. thlsf so for today, vhen you need the services of a page you tI
l2. will have to contact him visually. The wirlng to the call ll
l3. system is disconnected. Those of you who are here you might 1l
l4. pass that information on to your seatnates, Who are no* on Il
Z5. the Senate Floor? noW. Approval of the Journal. :1l6
. SECRETKRY: )i
l7. Wednesday, January 9, 1974. 1l
l8. PRESIDENT: 1I
l9. senator soper. I1
20. SENATOR soPsR: II2L. Mr. preskdent, I now move that we dispense with the further l
l22. reading of the Journal of January 9th, unless there are some l
23. corrections or additions to be made Ehat the Journal stand ap- III24. proved
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26. senator Soper ooves that we dispense with further reading
27. and approve the aournal of January 9, 1974. Are there additions 1I
28. or corrections? A11 in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. j
l29. Contrary no. The motion carries. So ordered. Resolutions. I:30. SECRETARY:ll3k. Senate Joint Resolution No. 55, by Senator Mohr. :
32. (Secretary reads SJR No. 55) I;33 . PRESIDENT )
Is there discussion? This is the Adjournment Resolution .
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1. The Senate will stand adjourned today When we adjourn until '
2. 11 A. M., March 6, 1974. Senator Mohr. !
3. SENATOR MOHR:
4. Mr. President, I move the adoption of the Resolution.
5. PRESIDENT:
6. A1l in favor. Is there discussion? Al1 in favor
7. signify by saying aye. Contrary no. Motion carries and the
8. Resolution is adopted.
9. SECRETARY:
l0. Senate Joint Resolution No. 56, by Senators Regner,
11. Graham and Howard Mohr.
l2. (Secretary reads SJR No. 56)
l3. PRESIDENT:
14. Senator Regner.
l5. SENATOR REGNER:
l6, Yesy Mr. President, members of the Senate, whak this
17. Resolution does is to correct an omission that there was in
l8. the Department of Law Enforcement Appropriation bill last
l9. Spring. Where a clause was omitted which would authorize
20. the transfer of the funds from the Department of Law Enforce-
2k. ment to the Fire Protection Commission. So, therefore, they
22. have run out of funds and this transfer is necessary upon
23. the authorization of the Governor. Right todate the Commis-
24. sion has about twenty-five dollars in their account. And
25. they have accounts payable of about twenty thousand dollars.
26. And this is an agreed resolution authorizing the Controller
27. and the State Treasurer to make the necessary tranfers. And
28. I Would move for the adoption of this Senate Joint Resolution.
29. PRESIDENT)
30. Senator Savickas.
31. SENATOR SAVICKAS:
32. My apologies, Mr. President, Senatorm..is this money com-
133 , ing f rom the Department of Law Enforcement?
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2 Senator Regner.
SENATOR REGNER:3.
4 .YeS, Senator Savickas.o.this commission was set-up
s under the Deparkment of Law Enforcement, about three years
6 ago. And the appropriation is to the Department of Law En-
7 forcement and then they tranfer the monies to the Fire Com-
8 mission, and the amendment was erroneously omitted from
9 the Department of LaW Enforcement...appropriation bill last
lo. spring, which authorized the transfer.
ll. PRESIDENT:
12 Senator Savickas.
l3. SENATOR SAVICKAS:
14 ...1 had another question, I'm trying to recall my mind...
ls the Department of LaW Enforcement - the commission there...
16 I understand there Was one question one time about giving ...
17 funds...didlnt Ehey disEribute funds to local municipalities
18 for law enforcement programs and that they were supposedly run
lg out of funds - or they could'nt distribute it to some of the
2c. smaller municipalities, and then they created a....
2l. PRESIDENT:
22. Senator Regner.
23. SENATOR REGNER:
24. .vvsenator Savickas, that would be in a different bill. I
25. think your talking about the local Law Enforcement Commission,
26 and khis has nothing to do with that at all. This is for the
27 Fire Protection Commission.
28. PRESIDENT:
29 Is there further discussion? Senator Regner moves to adopt
3c SJR 56. And on that question the Secretary will call the roll.
The question is to adopt Senate Joint Resolution No. 56, which31.
2 cures the problem of transfer of General Revenue funds, to the3 .
local Fire Protection Personnel Fund . The Secretary will call3 3 .
the roll .
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SECRETARY:
Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,
Dougherty, Fawell: Glass: Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johnsr Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherow, McBroom: Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, HoWard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, NeWhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman:
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rockr Roe, Romano,
Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,
Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.
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PRESIDENT)
Senator Course aye. On that question the yeas are 45,
the nays are none. SJR 56 is adopted.
SECRETARY:
Senate Joint Resolution No. 57, by Senator Bartulis.
Itls congratulatory.
PRESIDENT:
Senator Bartulis moves to suspend the rules. The Secretary
was mistaken, khis is not congratulatory..eExecutive.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolukion 328, by Senator Vadalabene and all members
of the Senate. It's congratulatory.
PRESIDENT:
Senator Vadalabene moves to suspend the rules for the pur-
pose of immediate consideration of the adoptlon of the Resolukion.
A11 in favor signify by saying aye. Conkrary no. The motion
carries. The rules are suspended. On the motion to adopt.
Al1 in favor signify by saying aye, contrary no. The motion
carries and the Resolution is adopted.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolution 329, by Senators Clarke, Fawell and
Knuepfer. Ites congratulatory.
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PRESIDENT:
Senator Clarke moves to suspend the rules for khe immediate
consideration of Ehe adoption of the Resolution. A11 in favor
signify by saying aye, contrary no. The motion carries. Senator
Clarke.
SENATOR CLARKE:
Would just like to mention that this a Congrakulatory Reso-
lution for a school superintendent in my area, who has been down
here quite often representing the school superintendents (Maurice
Clark) no relation. He is a fine man. Anyone wanting to join
in this resolution - would be happy to have you.
PRESIDENT:
Senator Clarke moves to adopt. A11 in favor signify by
saying aye. Contrary no and the motion carries - and the
Resolution is adopted.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolution 330, 'by Senator Mitchler. It's congrat-
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SENATOR MITCHLER:
Move to...suspend Ehe rules and immediate consideration
of adoption. I'm new at this. I'm sorry and I apologize...
PRESIDENT:
Well, the procedure is that under the rules these would be
considered at a different time in our schedule. And in order to
move for immediate consideration on a Congratulatory Resolution;
a technical observation of our rules requires for a motion to
suspend. Now, you do Wish to put that at this time Senator?
SENATOR MITCHLER:
Iv.wafter deliberating I Would like to so move, Mr. Presi-
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A11 right. Thank you. For the benefit of those in khe
gallery, Senator Mitchler, is a rather consistent introducer
of this type of Resolution. On Senator Mitchler's motion to
suspend the rules. A1l in favor signify by saying aye. Con-
trary no. The motion carries. On the motion to adopt, all in
favor signify by saying aye. Contrary no. The motion carries
and the Resolution is adopted.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolution 331, by Senator Mitchler and it's con-
gratulatory.
PRESIDENT:
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SENATOR MITCHLER:
I would ask the same
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motion and the disposal of the Reso-
lution in the same manner as the previous one, Mr. President.
PRESIDENT:
On the motion to suspend for immediate consideration. A11
in favor signify by saying aye. Contrary no. The motion carries.
On the motion to adopt. Al1 in favor signify by saying aye.
Contrary no. The motion carries and the Resolution is adopted.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolution 332, by Senator Mitchler and it is con-
qratulatory.
PRESIDENT:
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SBNATOR MITCHLER:
Same motion. Same action, Mr. President.
PRESIDENT:
On the motion to suspend. All in favor signify by saying
aye. Contrary no. The motion carries. On the motion to adopt,
al1 in favor signify by saying aYe, contrary no. The motion
carries and the Resolution is adopted.
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2. Senate Resolution 333, by Senator Mitchler and all members ii
3. of the Senate. It's congratulatory. Dorothy L. Bussard.
4. PRESIDENT:
5. On the motion to suspend for the immediate consideration.
6. A11 in favor signify by saying aye, contrary no. The motion
7. carries. On the motion to adopt. A1l in favor signify by
8. saying aye. Contrary no. The motion carries and the Reso-
9. lution is adopted.
l0. SECRETARY:
l1. Senate Resolution 334, by Senator Mitchler and a11 members
12. of the Senate. It's congratulatory.
l3. PRESIDENT:
l4. On the motion to suspend a11 in favor signify by saying
l5. aye. Contrary no. The motion carries. On the motion to a-
l6. dopt, a1l in favor signify by saying aye, contrary no. The
17. motion carries and the resolution is adopted.
18. SECRETARY:
l9. Senate Resolution 335, by Senator Mitchler and it's con-
20. gratulatory.
2l. PRESIDENT:
22. On the motion to suspend. Al1 in favor signify by saying
23. aye. Contrary no, the motion carries. On the motion to adopt,
24. al1 in favor signify by saying aye, contrary no. The motion
25. carries, and the resolution is adopted.
26. SECRETARY:
27. Senate Resolution 336, by Senator Mitchler and a1l Sena-
28. tors: and it requests approval be given to the request of the
29. National Accelerator laboratory for funds for the National
3c. Cancer Institute.
31. PRESIDENT:
32. Executive. Senator Mitchler.
aa SENATOR MITCHLER:
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Mr. President, if I may be permitted to explain this one?
The National Accelerator Laboratory located in Kane and Dupageï.
2 counties in Illinois..
a PRESIDENT:
4 Senator Mitchler, our rules propose that this type of
5 Resolution would go to Executive. Now that referral has been
6 made...do you Wish to explain it before it is considered by
7 the Executive Committee?
8 SENATOR MITCHLER:
9 ...my purpose in rising, Mr. President, would be ask for
lo suspension of the rules and have immediate consideration of
1l. this resolution.
l2. PRESIDENT:
13 Proceed.
14. SENATOR MITCHLER:
15 The National Accelerator Laboratory motivated in Kane and
16 Dupage county in Illinois, has been called upon to construct
17 a Nucleon Therapy Facility. What this facility would be cap-
k: able of doingr would be for the treatment of cancer. Now at
l9. the Du-Kane Valley council held last week; it was presented
20. to that council that they would like to have the Kane and
21 Dupage County areas and the State of Illinois...reached to
22. the Director of the National Cancer Institute in the National
23 Institutes of Hea1th. And give to those bodies the express-
24. ion of support for the National Accelerator Laboratory in
25. Illinois to construct these facilities. Now, they are capa-
26 b1e in what you might say off times from their regular Work
27 to get into this Nucleon Therapy Work that will advance the
28 eradication of this very serious disease (cancer). I would
29 consider this an important one because their funding from
the National Cancer Society and Institute - the National In-30.
stitutes of Hea1th - that decision will be made on the31.
2 fourth or the sixth of February - next month. And that3 .
is why it would be important that this body would3 3 .
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pass such a resolution. I might say that in the House similar
action is being taken by Representative Schoeberlein, at the
request of the Accelerator Laboratory. would give you
4. my confidence that this is a very important step toward the
eradication of cancer. And certainly, if this body were to
adopt this and in someway help the NAL in Illinois, I think,
we would be doing a great service to those that have cancer
8. or might contract cancer in the future.
PRESIDENT:
l0. Senator Partee.
11. SENATOR PARTEE:
I'm trying to understand the thrust of this and I'd ask
13. the Senator this question - Are you saying that the funding
l4. for this facility will depend on whether or not this body goes
on record as being against Cancer?
l6. PRESIDENT:
Senator Mitchler.
SENATOR MITCHLER:
l9. ...Noy Senatoro..l believe that the support that has
20. been given to the NAL'S request and the cooperation they are
2l. getting from the National Cancer Institute and the National
Institutes of health would warrant. This is some seven hundred
23. thousand dollar additional funding. It involves no State
24. funds. But it would be given in an expression of this body
along with the House and over governmental bodies that we
26. would like to see this facility created and established in
27. Illinois, where we have the National Accelerator Laboratory.
28. PRESIDENT:
29. Senator partee.
SENATOR PARTEE:
I just want to esEablish that so that the members would
32. know that I think we al1 imagize as being against cancer. I
don't know of anybody in this body who at least has expressed any
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2. and I think we are just implicitly known to be against cancer, Id I would certainly not have any obiection to the Resolution, i3. an
4. although I think it is peripheral, and I don't think it really1
5. is going to effect the decision one way or another. And I iust j
6. wanted to make the membership aware of that fact.
7. PRESIDENT:
8. senator Graham.
9. SENATOR GRAHAM:
10. Mr. President, along that line, I wrote...a little note
ll. to Senator Mitchler, along this same line, and I didît get a
l2. reply, I don't think therels a Resolution introduced yet -
l3. his typwriter probably not working - but I asked him to quit
l4. sending me that anti-smoking-cancerous literature - because
l5. today is the seventh anniversary of my stop smoking cigar-
l6. ettes bit - so will you save the paper, and I'm making my
l7. contribution too.
l8. PRESIDENT:
l9. Is there further discussion? Senator Mitchler moves
20. to suspend the rules for the immediate consideration of the
2l. Resolukion. Al1 in favor signify by saying aye. Contrary
22. no . The motion carries. On the motion to adcpt Senate
23. Resolution 336, all in favor signify by saying aye, contrary
24. no. Motion carries and the Resolution is adopted.
25. SECRETARY:
26. Senate Resolution 337, by Senator Savickas and Daley.
27. It extends congratulations to the members of khe Vikings Foot-
28. ball Team, St. Lawrence High School.
29. PRESIDENT:
30. Senator Savickas.
3l. SENATOR SAVICKAS:
32. Mr. President..esenators, I move for the suspension of
33. the rules and the immediate consideration and adoption. '
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On the motion to suspend. Al1 in favor signify by saying
aye. Contrary no. The motion carries. On the motion to adopt
a1l in favor signify by saying aye. Senator Partee, I'm sorry.
SENATOR PARTEE:
.. .1 plan to vote for it. Is this for the Vikings?
The vangui:hed Vikings.
SENATOR SAVICKAS:
This is for St. Lawrence who vanquished the Vikings.
SENATOR PARTEE:
Oh - I see - I thought you were talking about the Dolphins.
PRESIDENT:
A11 in favor of adoption signify by saying aye. Contrary
no. The motion carries and the Resolution is adopted.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolution 338, by Senators Savickas, Daleyy
Dougherty, Chew: Vadalabene, Welsh and Nudelman.
PRESIDENT:
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Executive. Messages from the Governor.
SECRETARY:
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(Reads Message from Governor)
PRESIDENT:
Executive. Two messages...the other...you want to read
by datea.ofor the record and then....
SECRETARY:
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January 28th 1974.
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PRESIDENT:
Executive. Senator HoWard Mohr.
SENATOR MOHR:
Mr. President, I rise on a point of personal privilege.
In the back of the chamber is our good friend, Walter Shaw.
Walter is our attendan; has been for many years, and who
has recently undergone some major surgery. And I am sure that we
are all more than happy to see Walter back with us. Hefs
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) just here on a temporary visit today. But I am sure that I
2, it won't be long that he will be in our midst once again.
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4. Senator Wooten.
5. SENATOR WOOTEN:
6. Mr. President, I move ko suspend Senate Rule 49: for the
7. purpose of making a motion to reconsider the vote by which House
8. Bill 389 lost.
9. PRESIDENT:
10. Senator Wooten moves to reconsider...l'm sorryo..to sus-
11. pend Rule 49, for the purposes of reconsidering the vote by
12. which House Bill 389 Was lost. On the motion to suspend. I think
l3. we would be wise to have a roll call on this...the motion is
l4. to suspend the rules. And on that question the Secretary Will
l5. call the roll. This is a motion to suspend the rules.
l6. SECRETARY:
k7. Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbeey Carroll,
l8. Chew: Clarke, Conolly, Course: Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,
19. Dougherty, Pawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
20. Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan: Knuepfer, Knuppell Kosinski,
2l. Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthyr Merritt, Mitchler, Howard
22. Mohr, Don Moore, Netschy Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
23. Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,
24. Saperstein, Savickas, Schafferz Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
25. Sommerr Soper, Sours, Swinarskiy Vadalabeney Walker,
26. Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.
27. PRESIDENT:
28. Senator Course, aye. Don Moore, aye. Graham, aye. Senator
29. Hynes, aye. Buzbee, aye. Senator Netsch, aye. Senator Keegan,
30. for what purpose do you arise? Yes. On the motion by Senator
31. Wooten Eo suspend the rules - the yeas are 48, the nays are
32 none. Senator Wooten having voted on the prevailing side -
a3 now moves to reconsider the vote by which House Bill 389 was
lost. And on that question the Secretary will call the roll.
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Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidsony Donnewald,
Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,
LatheroW, McBroom: Mccarthy, Merritt, MiEchler, HoWard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmery Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,
Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,
Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDENT:
On that question the yeas are 46, and the nays are none.
And House Bill 386...1'm sorry, 389 is now before the Senatep
on 3rd reading. Senator Keegan.
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make a motion to move the bill back to 2nd Reading,
for the purpose of amendment.
PRESIDENT:
Is there leave to recall House Bill 389 to 2nd Reading
for purposes of an amendment. Leave is granted. So ordered.
2nd reading - Senator Keegan.
SENATOR KEEGAN:
. . .and the purpose of this amendment would be to delete...
would be to delete...by amendment...lines l and 2 ...on page
1...of bill 389 - and inserting in lieu thereof, 'An Act to
facilitate changes in the time of election of county board members
by accelerating Ehe effective date of Public Act 869, and by de-
leting everything after the enacting clause - and inserting in
lieu thereof the following: ...section 1, Public Act 78869 takes
effect upon the effective date of this Act...this act takes effect
upon its being becoming law.' There was an omission, Mr. Presidenty
in the provision for the continuation in office of board members
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other than the President of the county boards, and this provision;
this simple provision, would make up that deficiency.
PRESIDENT:
Is there further discussion? On the question of the adoption
of...on the question of the adoption of Amendment No. 2. A11 in
favor signify by saying aye. Contrary no. Senator Keegan,
am advised that in order to eliminate any question of effectiveness
that the motion more appropriately, first, should be to reconsider
the adoption of amendment No. 1, and to Table that amendment, and
then consider the adoption of Amendment No. So, then, do
you wish to .o.withdraw the motion of adoption of Amendment No. 2,
at this point...and then move to reconsider...
SENATOR KEEGAN:
Yes, I do...I wisho..l do wish to withdraw that motion.
PRESIDENT:
Al1 right. Then the motion is to reconsider the vote by
which Amendment No. l was adopted. On that question the Secre-
tary will call the roll.
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Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew: Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewaldy
Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer: Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherow, McBroom, MccarEhy, Merritt, Mitchlerp Howard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse: Nimrod, Nudelmanz
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rocky Roe, Romano,
Sapersteinr Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer, Sopere Sours, Swinarskiy Vadalabene, Walker,
Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDENT:
Senator Course, aye. Senator Buzbee. aye. This is the
motion to reconsider the vote by which Amendment No. l to House
Bill 389 was adopted. On that question the yeas are 52, the nays are
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none. Now, on the motion to Table. I don't think we have
any problems on a voice vote on this question. On the motion
to table Amendment No. Al1 in favor signify by saying aye.
Contrary no. The motion carries and Amendment No. 1 to House
Bill No. 389 is Tabled. On the motion to adopt Amendment No.
Is there discussion? Al1 in favor of the motion to adopt
Amendment No. 2 signify by saying aye, contrary no. The
motion carries and the Amendment is adopted. Third Reading.
Resolutions.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolution 340, by Senator Mitchler and al1 members
of the Senate. It's congratulatory.
PRESIDENT:
senator Mitchler moves to suspend the rules for the im-
mediate consideration of the adoption of the resolution. A11
in favor signify by saying aye. Contrary no. The motion
carries. On the motion to adopt. Al1 in favor signify by say-
ing aye. Contrary no. The Resolution is...the motion carries
the Resolution is adopted. Having had intervening business
. . .on the order of Third Reading. House Bill 389, Senator
Keegan.
SENATOR KEEGAN:
I move the passage of Senate Bill 389.
PRESIDENT:
Is there further discussion? On the question of passage
of House Bill 389, as amended. The question is, shall this
bill pass? And on that question the Secretary Wi1l call the
roll.
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Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,
Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,33.
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Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,
Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,
Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDENT:
On that question the yeas are 49. The nays are none. I'm
sorry, one name was added after this...tally slip was handed to
me. So the yeas are 50. The nays are none. House Bill 389,
having received the constitutional majority is declared passed.
Genator Weaver.
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Mr. President, would like to request a recess of approxi-
mately twenty minutes for the purpose of a Republican caucus, in
the Presidentfs office.
PRESIDENT:
Senator Weaver has requested a recess of approximately twenty
minutes for a Republican caucusv..in the President's office.
Senator Rock.
SENATOR ROCK:
Yes, Thank you, Mr. President. There will be a Democratic
caucus on the sixth floor immediately.
PRESIDENT:
The Senate will stand in recess for respective caucuses.
Hardly.
(RECESS)
(AFTER RECESS)
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
The Senate Will be in order. Please gentlemen return to
your seats, so that the Senate will be in order. Senator Nudel-
manz for What purpose do you seek recognition?
SENATOR NUDELMAN:
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The Journal will show tha: Senator Palmer is absent due to
illness. Thank you, Senator. Mr. Secretary: do We have a com-
mittee report?
SECRETARY:
Senator Conolly, the Chairman of the Committee on Transport-
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHNIO
Gentlemen..wpleaseo..unless we want to stay a11 night...
just a minute, Mr. Secretary. Proceed.
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(House Bill 930)
PRESIDENT:
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SENATOR CONOLLY:
Mr. President, I move that this bill be....read a second
time for purposes of amendment.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
You move that the bill be returned to 2nd Reading for...
SENATOR CONOLLY:
Returned to the order of 2nd Reading.
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Heard the motion of Senator Conolly. Al1 in favor of the
motion, signify by saying aye. Opposed. The ayes have it and
the bill is now on the order of 2nd Reading. Senator Conolly.
SECRETARY:
Amendment No. by the Committee on Transportation and
Public Utilities.
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SENATOR CONOLLY:
Mr. Presidenty
to House Bill 930.
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move that we adopt the committee amendment
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Senator Mccarthy.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
Yes, I wonder if the sponsor would yield to a question?
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
He indicates that he will.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
Senator, I know I hear that there are other people that
do have amendments and other amendments. I know that I have
one, it's just in the process of being drafting.a.drafted. What I
want to ascertain is how long are you going to leave the bill on 2nd
Reading for the purpose of having amendments offered?
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
If the President might...the Presiding Officer might in-
dicate, welre going to leave it on 2nd Reading just as short
a time as possible. But wefre not going to try to preclude
People from offering amendments. But we would like to get out
of town sometime, Senator.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Knuppel.
SENATOR KNUPPEL:
Was the sponsor going to explain the amendment for us?
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Suppose he would Senator, if you asked him to, and he in-
dicates that he will.
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lisken to the amendment. And those who are not entitled to
the floor will please leave. Senator Conolly.
SENATOR CONOLLY:
Mr. President, this...
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To be recognized latter...tried to get your aktention...
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
1'11 always recognize you, Senator. Senator Conolly,
will explain his amendment.
SENATOR CONOLLY:
Mr. Presidentp I need not notify all of the members of the
SenaEe that this issue has been widaly discussed and widely
debated; not only in our Senate commiktee, but in various hear-
ings of a simulkaneous committee hearing of the both the House
and the Senate Transportation Committee. This bill has been
suggested to us by the Federal Government to conform With the
Energy; the Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act. We had
broad hearings at tha: time and at our two hearings and we have
studied every ramificationy and I think a concensus came for-
ward on this amendment. And I will explain this amendment
Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 930. And that is: Ehat we are
reducing all speed limits above 65 miles an hour to 55 miles
an hour. This reduction of speed will Eake place on February
25th, at 12:01 M., - Monday February 25th. This reduction
in speed to 55 miles an hour will last until the Act; called
the Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act is in effect.
As we say this has a ...self-destroying situation that this
billo..that the speed limits will be resumed upon the federal
governments..wreduct..was long as the Federal Highway Energy Con-
servation Act is in affect; our 55 mile an hour speed limit
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will be in affect. Al1 penalties presently under the 1aw for
people who speed will be affected by this 55 mile speed
limit. There will be no increase of speed for any vehicle
now where the law is under 55. There will be no increase
of speed for that vehicle to 55. So it's only a reduction,
and I think, that is the explanation that you asked for.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Mccarthy.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
It's another question to the sponsor before called upon
to vote on this. Senator Conolly, I need to know from you,
if there is an amendment offered...to remove the violation of
the speed of 55 and over up to the existing limits whether
or not you're in a position to state whether or not you can
accept that amendment. That is to say: To make such a energy
crisis speed violation whether or not that would be a report-
able violation?
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SENATOR CONOLLY:
Be completely candid two weeks ago after that hearing,
I would have been able to accept that. But after further study
and further investigation by our staff and further contact
with the Federal Government (The Chief Council the Depart-
ment of Transportation of the U. S. Department of Transporta-
tion), I feel that this is inpracticable. It is in-uninforce-
ble, and...would not be a...acceptable under our present 1aw
and under the way that we would expect that a11 people would
be treated equally within the law. So, therefore, at the pre-
sent time, I have chosen after a great deliberation that this
is the most appropriate way to go.
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Senator Mccarthy.
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. ..In the event it does'nt arrive here on the Floor...until
such time as perhaps your bill is on 3rd Reading, I wonder
if you would give us the courtesy to bring it back for the
purpose of having a vote on that...amendment.
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Senator Conolly.
SENATOR CONOLLY:
I Would say that there might be other people offering the
same amendment. And chances are the time-frame within that we
are working ...mighk make any answer I say now in...not ap-
plicable. So I would not want to say anything because this
could be over in the House before you get your measure here.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Knuppel.
SENATOR KNUPPEL:
Mr. President, members of this Body, I'd like to speak in
opposition to this amendnent; want to speak in opposikion to
this amendment for two reasons. First of all this is too harsh.
We're passing this 55 mile an hour speed limit for only one
reason, because of the black mail of 190 million dollars loss
oof highway funds: which we would suffer if we didfnt adopt
Now, I submit we need go no further Ehen Eo meet those standards.
We need not punish those people Who are drivers. I submit that
there is no reason that a violation of 56 miles an hour should
be a moving violation. And I submit that the people of the State
of Illinois don't want it to be a moving violation. I've seen
arguments that this is more strenuous on the poor than the well-
.heeled fellow who can pay the fine. I submit that each driver,
each driver does'nt give a damn about the other driver's driv-
ing record in the vernacularof Gorden Sinclair. A1l he cares
about is himself. And he don't want to impose on the rich
man a driving violation rather than a fine so that he himself
may enjoy a moving violation at the speed of 55 miles a hour.
Now, call the unconstitutional of...
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khe original proposal to the attention of the committee when ke
were here three weeks ago. It would have been a very sïmple
matter to hava drafted a bill - to have drafted an amendment. And
I asked the staff to work with them and al1 they told me that
khey were redrafting it; to have drafted a simple bill that
made the speed limit 55 miles an hour and have provided that
a moving violation would attach tc any speed more than ten
miles in excess of that. I think the people would have been
willlng to accept that. And I say to each of you Senators here
on this Floor, how are you going to explain to your voters
back home who gets...the one Who gets the moving violation and
ls goïng to call you and say, hov come? I say that it is politi-
cal suicide to pass such a bill. That it's wronq. That it's
not what the people Want; our highways khere they have 65 and
75 miles per hour speed limits have been engineered for those
speeds. Now, secondly, the differential in the speed which will
be implicit in this amendment is that trucks will be limited to
50 miles an hour on secondary highways - that's two-lane high-
ways, and automobiles at 55. There was a reasonable chance for
a man to pass and live when the differential was 65 and 50 with-
out violating the law. He doeslnt have that chance now when the
differential is 5 miles per hour. In my area wbere we have no
four-lane highways then that is the only place that youIre gaing
to affect drivers anyway is in the rural highways. They testified
to this in Committee. Your going to invite everybody in West
Central Illinois driving 55 miles an hour to pass a truck going
50 miles an hour on broken, twisted, winding roads and expose
himself ko the hazard of death. There should be a uniform speed
for the secondary roads and then there would be no need ko pass.
Now, there's arguments that the trucks ought to be limited to 50,
so that the cars goinq 55 could pass them - hell - thatls ridi-
culous. They don't have to pass them if theydre going 55. Youbre
inviting people to disaster on two-lane highways where it takes a half
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a mile to pass. This is bad legislation. It's too harsh and
to have a moving violation at 55 is not what the people in my
district want. They want moving violations at 65 or 70 where
the person whose traveling at that speed really constitutes a
hazard. And I submit to you that never, never has the Attorney
General's office, the Department of Transportation, or anyone
else suggested that is the way it ought to be. What they told
the Transportation Commitkee was that two violations for one
Act were unconstitutional, and that two sets of signs couldfnt
be enforced. Would have been a simple and still is a simple
matter before we leave here to draft a bill that fixes the speed
limit at 55 miles an hour and says; anyone that violates that
by 10 or 15 miles an hour Will receive a moving violation and a
reportable offense. I submit to you that this doeslnt do what
the people of the State of Illinois does - want - and it goes
much farther then is required and that our people don't want.
They want to save the energy. But I don't know of anyone who
Wants to lower this down so that they go to court - lose their
drivers license for 3 times over 55. The poor man needs it to
get to work. He needs as bad as the rich man and he does't
care whether the rich man gets a moving violation or whether he
gets a fine. All he cares about is his own personal driving record.
PRESIDING OEFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Chew.
SENATOR CHEW:
Mr. President, Ifd like to get some attention here, first...
PRESIDING OPFICER (SENATOR GRKHAMO
So would 1. Will the Senate be in order? Just a moment
Senator. We have a 1ot of additional movement...l Ehink a 1ot
of unauthorized people are on the Floor of the Senate. Sergeant
at arms...implement the rule regarding that...senator Chew.
SENATOR CHEW:
Mr. Presidente I rise in opposition to the amendment. I
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' 2. in favor of following the Federal Governmenk mandate in
3. reducing the speed to 55 miles an hour. Tt ought to be uniform
4. at 55 miles an hour. And I want the newspapers that's going to
5. report this to hear me very clearly so that it will be reported
6. as I say it. But I canît hear myself here because there's con-
7. ferences al1 over, Mr. President, I can't hearv...
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9. Will the Senators please take their conferences off the
l0. Floor? Senator Soper and Scholl.
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l4. ...standing next to the speaker, he is trying...
l5. SENATOR CHEW:
l6. I am totally in favor of a 55 mile an hour speed limit. I
l7. think those persons thatls kravelinq in excess of 55 miles an
l8. hour, ought to be dealt With severely in the form of a fine. Now,
l9. the Federal Government has put this black-mail package on us, for
2O. the soul purpose of conserving energy. There is supposed Eo be
2l. an energy crisis existing in these United states. Fine. Ford
22. motor company say: driving 49 miles an hour you save 8 percent of
23. your fuel with respect to driving 70 miles an hour. At 55
24. miles an hour you save three percent. But we don't worry about
25. how much you save we want to comply with Federal Government.
26. Nowp federal government did not say and I specifically asked khe
27. representative of the government this morning in the presence
28. of Senator Conolly what Was the position of the United States
29. government pertaining to this being a movinq violation. And
30. he said none. Now, the sponsor of this amendment claims that
3l. the federal government said differently, and it did not. A11
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let's think about the man who drives a truck who does 56
miles an hour, or the poor man who has to depend upon his
automobile movemenk for his work. Are we going to take this
man away from his livelihood, because he is possibly stopped
at 56 or 57 miles an hour and allov him to get on welfare
because he can't go to work. Many people arelnt as fortunate
to have Mass Transit as we have in Chicago area. Let us not
adopt this amendment, because if we do the implication that's
going to put on the driver is going to be momentous. And we don't
need anymore laws or restrictions that's going to take away
from the motorist. NoW, I know it's a privilege to drive a
automobile and be licensed. We have tried in everyway possible
to give the motorist plain o1d hell. We are thinking of news-
papers and television stations, and etc and etc. We ccater to
them more Ehan we do the mass of people that's in the State of
Illinois. Federal Government said reduce speed. There was
nothing involved about penalizing one in khe form of revocation
suspension of license. This amendment that Conolly has is too
severe. We are going far beyond what the federal government has
required and they put khe l92 million dollars before our faces
and you reduce your speed or you don't participate in federal
money. I have no problems with that. If they had said we get
no federal funds if you don't make it a moving violation then I'd
had problems. I recall when Me did some rewriting of Illinois
Vehicle Code; took out such measures as one taillight, one head-
light? prior to that...
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Jusk a momenE, Senator..eone moment please...Will We please
break up the caucuses on Ehe Floor and adjacent to the Floor,and show the Senator what he is due. And the secretaries that
are not supposed to be on the Floor, Will please leave.
SENATOR CHEW:
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with the federal government and not participate in the federal
program of road construction and repairs. We are not on an
issue and it should not be an issue to make it a moving viola-
tion, and 1111 close with thisr Mr. President, I am in full ac-
cord to reduce the speed. I am in full accord to make the speed
uuniform. But trucks, automobiles - if the Governor could have done
this by executive order he would have merely reduced the speed
it would not have been a question of whether or not it was mov-
ing violation. And todate the Governor is not concerned about a
moving violation. Why, penalized the poor motorists? And I
will have to vote this amendment on the Floor as I did in com-
mittee because it's a bad amendment.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Partee.
SENATOR PARTEE:
Mr. President and members of the Senate, have never been
a bleeding heart for anybody in connection with our highways.
It's just a simple matter of their being represented to us at
the federal level in engergy crisis. The congress of the United
States has suggested that we bring our speed limit back ko 55 miles
an hour. lt does'nt just apply to Illinois. Illinois is just one
of 50 states. One of the things Ehat has made this country viable
is that we operate in a united fashion and these are the United
States. Now, the 190 million dollars as talked about, of course,
we would lose it if we diddnt go back to 55 miles an hour.
do not consider it any bludgeoning at all. I do not consider it
any black mail. It's a fact of llfe. It is a condition Precedent
Eo the receipE of a 190 million dollars eikher you want it or
you don't, and if you want it you take it as it comes based on the
congress...congressional representation. Now, the only thing that
could make this 1aw not viable is some splintered enforcement -
with this State saying if you don't do this you qet a fine
with another State saying if you donît do this you get something
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else. And splintered enforcement in my opinion has never made
any national policy work. There can be many strifes you can
think of - a hundred differenk ways to get around it. You can
think of a hundred subrosa ways to avoid the impact of the
energy crisis saving. Now, you either going to obey the
law or youfre not. If you're not going to obey it, then,
the laW that obtains in terms of moving violations ought
to remain inviolate. Doesdnt mean to me that one person
is going to lose his job - it simply means that he is going to
obey the law and stay under 55 miles an hour until hopefully
this energy crisis can subside. I suggest to you that if we
don't do it the way this amendment proposes, it just lengthens
the time that the amendment Will be necessary. If we do What we
ought to do on the basis of 55 miles a hour and if you go above
it get a moving violation it gives some real incentive to
people to stay Within the 55 mil/-s'* an hour. All people rich
or poor. And I suggest ko:-:yc'u that this is a good amendment
and I propose to suppork ik.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Harris.
SENATOR HARRIS:
Mr. President, I must confess that I have not listened to
a1l of the debate on this. And I hope that some of my comments,
which will be brief are not repetitious. But I really just
want the membership to share with me the understanding that
none of us like being bullied by the federal government ever.
And it is, of course, ...a somewhat uncomfortable thing to have
the Hobson's choice perhaps of conforming or losing 193 million
dollars, which is what we qualify for for fiscal 74. And I
presume we can anticipate that figure of 193 million will have
some growth in it as far as fiscal 75. We're faced today with
a determination to express Illinois' corporate attitude through
its board of directors to conserve energy. If we were to reduce it
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to that simple question even though there are some problems
here and there with implementing that posture, I don't think
anybody really quarrels wiEh our need to respond to conserve
energy. The Transportation Committee of the Senate held a
lengthy hearing two weeks ago. In the meantime a great deal
of staff research has gone into the ramifications involved.
We have had consultations with the State's Attorneys Associa-
tion. We have had many, many conversations with the staff of
the United States Department of Transportation. The amendment
before us now conforms to their implementation requirements.
The effective date provided in this amendment February 25th
1974, is well in advance of the date required under the
Federal Congressional ackion approved by the Chief Executive
of the United States; that by midnight of March 3rd, 1974
there must be in effect maximum speed limits not to exceed
55 niles per hour or thereafter ffiled to qualify for federal
highway sharing money. The department of Law Enforcement
prefers the effective date of Monday. This amendment pro-
vides for that (Monday, February 25th) The department of
Transportation Would in fact like a feW more days to make the
changes of the signs. But by determination and this of course
is not a decision that's going to have sneaked up on them;
this has been under discussion since the enactment by the Con-
gress. We are advised that they in fact can meet the February
25th deadline, but given the option they would really like to
have a few more days. I don't think that's an important enough
issue; but it does square With the enforcement date requested
by the Department of Law Enforcement. States Attorneyfs leg-
islative Committee indicated that we ought to have the same
kind of offense by a violation for' a violation above 55 as ob-
tained now at 55 or 60 on the primary secondary system, and at
70 on the interstate system. This amendment squares with the at-
titude. Many of the members of the Legislative Committee of the
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States Attorney's association really werelnt too shook one
way or another. But some were militant in their insistance
that a violation of 55 should be a hazardous violation. Now,
1et us recognize that we're going to hear from a good many
people Who will have their drivers license suspended. I'm
certain that this 55 mile limit is going to operate to impose
suspensions. But there is in fact a patriotic duky to conserve
this precious and becoming even more precious commodity -
motor fuel - whether it be diesel or gasoline. The public must
be on notice that this is an Act of patriotism, as well as a
response consistent to safety responsibility - the 55 mile an
hour limit. This amendment does not address itself to the
question of uniformity. It leaves the 1aw as it presently is.
That's my personal preference. And I know I have heard the
argunents. There are some very persuasive arguments about
taking the step towards uniformity. 1, personally, Want
to take action consistent with what this amendmenk proposes
today, and leave khe issue of uniformity to dealt with on
its own. z urge the membership of this Body to adopt the
amendment recommended by the Transportation Committee and ex-
plained by the Chairman, Senator Conolly. Thank you, Mr.
President.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Glass.
SENATOR GLASS:
Thank you, Mr. President, I1m not going to repeat what
eminent leadership on 50th sides of the aisle have already
said in which I agree. Auk I think We ought to certainly
note that this will make our highways safer. And I don't mind
saying that and making that a solid reason to vote for this
amendment. I certainly think by having a violation of 55
mile an hour speed limit - a enforceable violation and one
which will count against the driving record that we're
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going to get more people actually driving 55. And the results
of other States have shown that when that happened the high-
way accidentsoovand fatalities are decreased. And I think
that's a good reason to vote for this amendment, and I cer-
kainly hope that it will be adopted.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Is there further discussion? Senator Walker. Senator Harris.
Yield...
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Senakor Walker jusk momentarily the wire service.oophoto-
graphers - still photographing - have requested the opportunity
to take some eandid shots here on the Senate Floor during thls
debate; consulted with Senator Partee: neither of us have any
objectione We just Want the membership on notice that there
has been permission granted for on this very brief oacasion
to the wire-service photographers. Thank you, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Centlemen, be on notice. Senator Walker.
SENATOR WALKER:
Thank you, Mr. President, T'm not in any manner attempting
to preclude any member of this dedicated, deliberative, dilatory
Body from expressing themselves; then again perhaps 1 am, I
would like to move the previous question.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
I have no further names on my listo..motion by....senator
Mccarthy.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
Ifm sorryo...
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You were not on list and the motion is in order, aceording
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Now, Senator....
SENATOR MCCARTSY:
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMO
You know better than that...
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
I thought it Was implicit on the list of people.o.that you
did call upon...
PRDSIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
You and I are talking about different lïsts.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
. ..But, Mr. Presidenk, I would like to have the opportunity
to be heard on this motion.
PRESIDING QFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMI:
The motion to what...
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The motion to adopt the amendment.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
thought you had been heard on it, Senator.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Well: I didfnt think that I had taken my time cause I was
exkremely doubtful, I just asked a couple questions of the
sponsor as to whether or not he wouldw..No. 1. - accept an
amendment to.....
PRESIDING QFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator MccarEhy, recognized Senator Walker. He made
a motion, if Senator Walker's motion is in order; if Senator
Walker wants to withdraw the motion to close the debate the
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recognize him for that purpose and his motion is in order.
Senator Walker.
SENATOR WALKER;
In defference to my good friend, Senator Mccarth, I'm
not going to Withdraw my motion.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Then, the motion before the Senate is that debate be
closed. Al1 in favor of the motion to close debate Will signify
by saying aye. Opposed. The ayes have it debate is closed.
Senator Conolly will 'make a few brief remarks after which we
will call the roll.
SENATOR CONOLLY:
Mr. President, I don't have to express to you the fact
that the United States Congress; those people elected by
our - the same voters who elect us have determined thak there
is an energy crisis. And in one way of their solution is to
ask the various states to reduce the speed limits in each of
the states to 55 miles an hour. This is our 1ob to do today.
We have reviewed this. Everybody has had an opportunity to
speak on it. Everybody has had an opportunity in the two
hearings that we had in the Senate Transportation Committee
to voice their feelings - their opinions. Now, is the time
for us to take our position and to vote in favor and to con-
cur With the United States Congress khat the speed limit of
the State of Illinois wil1 be 55 miles an hour maximum.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAM)
Senakor Mccarkhy.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
Yes, I have laid upon the Secretary's desk a motion, which
l believe is in order. I'd like the motion to be heard and IRd
like to speak on the motion.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
The Chair is -going to rule that your motion is out of order.
The Chair is made a determination that its a dilatory motion
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to prevent ackion upon this bill. It was not made before
Senator Conolly was recognized to close the remarks, and I'm
going to move that your motion to recommit this bill to the
committee is out of order.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
Well, that may be your ruling, Mr. President. But I call
your attention to Rule 42y of the 1973 books. It just came
out today. Rule 42 says; Precedence of Motions. When a
question is under debate - no Motion shall be received - but -
and then it goes down to adjourn - Ehe question of the Presi-
dent to lay upon the Table the previous question to postpone
definitely to postpone a date to commit or recommit. Now,
Mr. President, you know this is a Motion to recommit this bill
to committee. It Was not put on here for any dilatory practice.
But I think Mr. President, it is a sad, sad day in Illinois
sad day in Illinois when we want to slow automobile kraffic
down and yet speed up the legislative process, so that thou-
sand - 11 million people whose parents or themselves have motor
vehicle licenses that will be affected by this Act are not given
through their elected Senator an opportunity to speak. And I
persist in this motion.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRKHAMO
Senator, I have ruled your motion out of order. And you
have one relief and you know What it is...to appeal to the rul-
ing of the Chairo..oyou know that Senator. That would be Ehe
relief on the Floor, you know that Senator...you're a good
laWyer. The questlon 1s: shall the amendment presented by
Senator Conolly Eo House Bill 3...be adopted. Upon that motlon
the Secretary will call the roll. Senator Mccarthy.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
If the remedy that you offered to me which I presume is
to appeal to the ruling of the Chair, I would like to exer-
cise that offer given by you.
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SENATOR MCCARTHYZ
Well, I do...I do accept it. I did'nt know it had been
offered and withdrawn..othat speedily. I think thak's the
word we ought to emphasize (speed) . So, Mr. President, do
appeal the ruling of your Chair and hold the...my motion to
recommit this bill out of order.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senate...the motion is...shall the ruling of the Chair
be sustained? Those in favor of sustaining the ruling of
the Chair, which ruled that Senator Mccarthy's motion was
out of order will indicate by saying aye. Those opposed.
The ayes have it and the motion fails. How many Senators
join in asking for a roll call? If I ruled that ten would
be needed I would have trouble with you, would'nt 12 Then,
we'll have a roll call.
SECRETARY:
Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Courser Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,
Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, HoWard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod: Nudelman,
Ozinga. Palmer, Partee, Regnerz Rock, Roe, Romano,
saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer: Soper, Soursp Swinarskir Vadalabene: Walker,
Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.
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On this question the yeas were 29. The nays are 26. The
motion by Senator Mccarthy having failed to receive the con-
stltutlonal requirement majority is therefore declared lost.
The moEion before the Senate now is made by Senator Conolly to
adopt Amendment No. l to House bill 360...9...930...a11 in
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favor will signify by saying aye. Opposed. The ayes have it
and the amendment is adopted. Been a request for a roll call.
Welll call the roll on the motion to adopt amendment No. 1 to
House Bill 930: and will the Senate please be in order, so
the Secretary can hear your names on roll call. Please be in
order. Call the roll.
SECRETARY:
Bartulis, Bell, Berning,
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Just a minute, Mr. Secretary. Gentlemen, please be in your
seats and be in order. This is an important roll call. Join
with us.
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Davidson, Donnewald,Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley,
Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski:
Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhousez Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rockw Roe, Romano,
Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro: Smith,
Sommer, Soper, Sours, SWinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,
Weaver, Welsh Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Keegan, no. Regner, aye. sours, aye. on this motion the
yeas are 40, the nays are 14. The amendment is adopted. Any
further amendments?
SECRETARY:
Amendment No. 2, by Senator Davidson.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Is Senator Davidson on the Floor? Senator Davidson.
SENATOR DAVIDSON:
Mr. President, I've learned that discretion sometimes is
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a better part of valor and I withdraw Amendment No.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Amendment No. 2 has been withdrawn by Senator Davidson.
Any further amendments.
SECRETARY:
Amendment No. by senator Mccarthy.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
There is no chairman. Senator Mccarthy. Senator Mecarthy
Will explain his amendment if the membership will be so kind as
to listen. would like to hear it too. Be in order...please.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
Yes, Mr. PresidenE, you know Amendment No. 2 just arrived
so...I think the time is just about consumed and we're in the
proper order of business, and I'm not going to have to ask you
to call Ehe bill back to 2nd Reading...senator, because the
paper just got here. A1l right. What this amendment does;
is that it provides in the powers of the Secretary of State
thatfs (6-206) it says this: It says with reference to the
power of the Secretary of Skate to suspend licenses it puts
in this proviso: It says provided, however that during the
period for which the emergency highway energy conservation
Act enacted by the Congress of the United States of Americas'
Public Law 93239 is in effect, the Secretary of State may not
repeat - the bill does'nt say - may not - it doeslnt say
it twice - just says it once. The Secretary of State may
not suspend or revoke any license to permit for conviction of
not less than 3 violations of Section 11601 that's the Speeding
Act - this Act unless the person convicted has exceeded the
maximum speed limits subscribed by Illinois 1aw on July 27,
1974, that was yesterday - with each such violation. Senator
Graham, know that youRve heard the written...in credit word
what it means. What I intended it to mean that any conviction
of the energy crisis speed violation should not be a basis...shall
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not be a basis for suspension or oEher action of a drivers
license. And in support of that proposition, I would merely
enunciate the following point: No. 1. Historical question
- why - are we here today on January 28th...January 29th7
Thank you. Yet wedre here because the federal government
said that we have to be here or we lose one hundred and ninety
million dollars. What must we do, Mr. Federal Government,
in order not to lose the money? You must pass the Speed
Limit Bill...slowing passenger vehicles down to 55 miles
an hour. This amendment if adopted coupled with Senator
Conolly's ...amendment will meet that requirement. So that's
all khe federal government has said we have to do. Now
there's arguments that have been raised. The editorials
that have been written I take no position on at this
time to whether or not a speed reduction coupled with a re-
ported conviction for the purpose of affecting a drivers license,
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tive process. By that I mean the months of March...excuse
me...the months of April, May and June of this year. I have
an open mind my fellow membersp if we were to determine in
April, May and June of this year that what Senator Harris has
said is pursuasive and should be an act of this legislature.
What I am suggesting is that you adopt this amendment here to-
day in compliance as a fair bone type of compliance with khe
federal edict which commands our attention. To do okherwise,
I think, is doing more than the people of the State Illi-
nois want us to do. There are individuals in this State, who wish
we would nok pass any Act in compliance Wikh the federal
Act. I don't think they command the majority of the members
of this body or the other body. But they also Want the State
of Illinois government to make its determination. And I sub-
mit to you it should be made within the time-frame previously
outlined three months of the Eession that we have in the later
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part of the Spring of this year. I would like to say this
further# Xr. Presidentz that we are effective as I mentioned
earlier when I had to make I felt the motion to recommit khe
bill; we're effecting the life-style of 11 million people in
the State of Illinois. Like to recount to you a personal ex-
perience that happened two weeks ago Friday night. I was
called by a lifem.oby a...my Motor Vehicle Casualty Company,
because my renewal time is up in February. They called long
distance on a Watts line. The lady identified herself, and
she ésked a loE.af.qùèstions, including the reading on my
speedometer, the reading on my wifels speedometerp Where my
son was at school, etcw etc., and finally, khey came to
this question. They came to this question...Have you had
any moving violations within the last three years? I was
fortunake enough to be able to answer no. I had not. But you
know and I know and everybody that owns a automobile policy
in the State of Illinois knows khat when the insurance company
asks you that question - have you had any moving reportable
violations within the last year, two or three, they use the
answer of that question in determining - determining, Mr.
President, what the rates of insurance that they should charge
you shall be, and I don't quarrel with that. I don't quarrel
with that. But here weere asked by the federal government and
we're asked by the sponsor of this bill to push through the
bill as amended ...without taking this amendmentr which in
effect Would provide the basis for insurance companies rais-
ing rates on motor vehicles......
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRXHAMO
Senator: Senator, donft know about the speedometer...
you've gone beyond the red light and your on the second time
around. Your time has expired.
SENATOR MCCARTHY:
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of and pass on to my colleagues, Thank you, Mr. President, is
that there is a syndicalism about the, validiiy, about thg true-' w '.a
ness of the energy shortage. People who areve.will be marked
as a moving violation for a 56 mile per hour violation may
find themselves a year from today with three moving violations
yet the energy crises over last June; but they still blow their
license and they say oh boy, I've been had - I can't drive -
I was fooled by the federal government on the energy crisis
in the first place, and the State of Illinols went right along
with them - and now I've lost my license - and IIm going walk-
ing. I urge the adoption of this amendment.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Knuppel. Senator from Virginia - Senator
from Petersburg - yields - Senator Sours.
SENATOR SOURS:
Mr. Presidenk and Senators, l have Ehe feeling like
a 1ot of others here. We can't get our own tax money back
to the tune of a l90 million unless we kneel and succumb
acquiesently and supinely to the will of Congress. hear a
lot of yelplng here today. And yet in some instances this
yelping is not consonant with some of the bad legislation
that we have passed affecting the lives and the property
and the comfort of our citizens. It's a sad day and yet it's
true that it shows a heavy hand of government today when we
can't get our l90 million dollars back in this State unless
We do exactly what the federal congress says. Now, I hope that
some of us here will take to heart the heavy hand of govern-
ment that is now being laid upon individual legislatorsz so
that as we go through this coming Session we do not lay, Senator
Mccarthy and others, the heavy hand of local State government
on our taxpayers. This is a tragedy and I think it's real.
We hear a 1ot of the conservative press saying there is
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a shortage there isfnt as much as we had and we know that.
Now, we're going to have to do this, I think: whether we
like it or not - and some us do - and some of us donft.
But we're going to have to do khis because in my honest
opinion I believe there is at least a shortage. I can't
supporE the amendment.
presidinq officer gsenator grahamo
Senator Wooten.
SENATOR WOOTEN:
Mr. President and colleaques, have found in the
year I have been here very seldom do I take exception to
anything my colleague from Decatur offers in the way of leg-
islation or amendments ko legislation. agree that the
55 mile an hour speed limit is wrong. A portion for ex-
ample in many air-cooled engines will consume gas most ef-
ficiently at speeds of 70 to 75 miles an hour. The figure
55 miles is a good average; buk it will work an injustiee
on some people burning gas less efficiently in some engines.
But we have been given this by congressman.opcongress,
think it is approaching the problem from khe wrong endy and
am willing to go along with enforcing thl.s, not only because
we would lose the moneyr but also to focus the public's at-
tention on just how precipitously Congress has acted in thisregard. We're making the presumption that people will break
the law; that they will be required by their own personal needs
to exceed the 55 mile an hour speed limit. I know l Will be
sorely Vempted in traveling down here every Week to do that.
But it seems to me that we have to face the fact that we must
not put ourselves in a position in any degree where you can
buy your way out of a law. And that's simply what this
will do. You pay your fine and you keep on speeding. It will
be an advantage to those wikh money. It will, I think, bring
chaos to the highways. If we really want to follow not only the
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letter of the suggested law - the suggested speed limit -
but the spirit as well, we will see to ik that everybody
skays within that 55 mile an hour limit - else - why -
pass it at all? It al1 becomes a charade. As I say I am
Not at a1l enkhusiastic about this. But I believe that we
for a couple of reasons must reject this amendment and go
with the 55 mile an hour limit with the understanding that if
we can ever alleviate this we can go back to a proper speed;
our interstates are designed to operate safely and efficient-
ly at speeds of 70 miles an hour. We're only doing this to
conserve energy. It doss work in the average car; Will work
some hardshlps on others. It simply seens to me that we have
no strong argument for making this division in enforcement
of speed limits. So I will oppose the amendment.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Conolly.
SENATOR CONOLLY:
I would like to now...
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
I recognized Senator Conolly, Senator Knuppel. Por
what purpose do you arise?
SENATOR KNUPPEL:
I rise to reply to some of the arguments that have
been proposed by senator Wooten.
PRESIDING OPFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
I recognized Senator Conolly. You are out of order,
Senator, wait until Senator Conolly has...He is in the order.
And I am reeognizing ...1 recognize Senator Conolly - he was
on the list. He's been on khe list. I even skipped over
him once for Senator Wooten, and the Chair recognizes the
Senator from Waukegan.
SENATOR CONOLLY:
Mr. President, as I mentioned earlier we have had ex-
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tensive hearings on this and we have worked on this bill
and we have Eried Eo make this objection...as least object-
able to the people as possible? but still in facE enforce
the law - make Ehe 1aw enforceable - make it be equally
admlniskered throughout to all of the people of the State
of Illinois. And therefore I think that this point that
is being raised by this amendment basically has not been
covered in committe hearings and Ehere will be other op-
portunities latter on in the year in our Session that khis
could be approached. So therefore I would urge Ehe members
of this Senate Eo pass this bill out of here without further
amendments. And let's get on with ik the House is standing
at recess unkil our action takes place and there is a times
limit on Ehis; it takes 30 days to sign the bill...to put
signs on Ehe highways ko conform with this Act. So may I
just urge the Senate that we move forward now to defeak this
amendment and if this amendment would like to be raised at
a different time, it can be done in a farm of a bill in the
Regular Session.
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I submit that the arguments of Senator Wooten are
felicitous in that he says that Ehis will bear more heavily
on the poor'man than lt will on the rich. I submit that
the poor man dbives as fast in his used Ford as the rich man
drives in his Cadallac. And as I said before in the vexnacular
of Gordon Sinclair - he doesbnt give a damn whether the rich
man gets a moving violation or a fine - what he's concerned
With is what he's going to get, and he's qoing to get one
hellluva lot more movlng violations under this law.
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Any further discussion? Senator Mccarthy..wwill close
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SENATOR MCCARTHY:
Thank you, Mr. President, Yes, ...Yes, 1911 try
to be brief. In answer to some of the good arguments that
have been raised and I think I have better answers. No
one has touched upon the extra cost that it is going to
cost the Secretary of State to administer this new Act,
with a11 of the new violations going in. I don't know but
think that's something that we're not under mandate of
the federal governnent to take us off fiscally in the Sec-
retary of State's budget. He's going to have to give re-
stricted. You know what I am talking about With a11 of
these violations going in. Second. The argument that
Senator Wooten has been made - I khank him for the fack khat
he and I agree ak most times he says that this would only
be a penalty on the rich and it would'nt affect the poor. I
call to the attention of the members of this Body that there
is in my recolleckion a Section of the Motor Vehicle Law
which would still stay into effect that provides upon the
2nd or the 3rd violation of the Motor Vehicle Cade a minimum
fine of a hundred dollars - not a dollar an hour - a minimum
fine of a hundred dollars and that certainly is a deterrent.
Now, I also call to the attention of this Body - this Body made
a determination that there are 68 - count them - 68 different
moving violations - excuse me - 68 different violations of
the Motor Vehicle Code - Bad Mufflers, one Headlight, so forth
and so on, which are violations of the Code but cannot be
used by the Secretary of Stake in taking away the licensing
of the operator who has disregarded the law. And I think this
bill at this time with this proposed amendment would make an
excellent 69th exception to the Drivers License revocation
privileges. Finally, Mr. President, because you were so kind
to me, I again Within the time-frame alloted to me mention a-
bout the time-frame here in the Legislature, April, May and June is
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the time to thrash this out. It should be adopted and if there
is any validity wedll take it in; not the way you say, Jack...
Senator Conolly, that T have to come in in April and undo what
your trying to do today. I urge the adoption of this amend-
ment. I think it's a wise thing...l think it is politically
practical and that's what we are politicians.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
The question before the Senate is: Shall it..eadopk
Amendment No. 2 to House Bill 930 - 930. A1l in favor of the
adoption signify by saying aye. Opposed. The noes have it.
The amendment...l was afraid you'd do that...Been a request
f 11 call - who joins you? I see no support for youror a ro
. ..be a roll call. Those in favor of the motion to adopt Amend-
ment No. 2, will signify by voting aye. Those opposed to the
gentleman from Decatur's amendment will vote no. Secretary
will call the roll.
SECRETARY:
Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daleyy Davidson, Donnewald,
Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Fennekh
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepferz Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherow: McBroom, Mccarkhy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netschr Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,
Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer? Sopery Sours, Swinarskip Vadalabene, Walker,
Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAXO
Clarke, no. Regner. Harris, no. Howard Mohr
no. On this question the yeas were 12. The nays Were 33.
The amendment is declared lost. Any further amendments?
SECRETARY:
Amendment No. by Senator Mccarthy.
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Therefll be no objeckion. There has been asked for
leave to wïthdraw Amendment No. A1l in favor signify
by saying aye. Opposed. The ayes have it. The amendment
is withdrawn.
SECRETARY:
Amendment No. by Senator Fnuppel .
PRESIDING OFFTCER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Knuppel. You withdraw yours too?
SENATOR KNUPPEL:
No. Amendment No. 3 was originally proposed by
Senator Davidson and for some reason he is not going to
submit. He said he had no objection to me offering it.What it does in effect is to strike everything from the en-
acting clause on down and in very simple kerms put in a 55
mile uniform sspeed limit. I would be remiss if I did not
offer this amendment in view of the nature of the roads
where I live. Theybre kwisting, winding, routed highways
two-lane entirely. And to have reduced the differential
in speed from 65 ..to...or from 15 to 5 miles per hour is to
expose all of the people in wesk central Illinois Who have
to use those horrible roads ...is a necessity of offering
their life on the block to pass any moving truck. Now' you
people are responsible and for not having appropriated money
for those roads in the years past that have been here for a
long time, and I'm asking you to recognize the condition
of those roads in Eorgotonia. And to make provisions so that
if I come up from behind or am traveling with a truck going the
same direction I am if he is driving 55, I don't have to at-
tempt to pass him - to pass him at going 55 Without violating
the lav will require a half a mile's distance. so, al1 this
does is simply propose a uniform speed limit so that I don't
have to- I want to go around him - that I don't have to
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put my life on the line. like a favorable roll call.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMO
Senator Walker.
SENATOR WALKER:
Mr. Chairman, Mr. President, thank you, I move that
that amendment 1ie on the Table.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Motion by Senator Jack Walker that Amendment No. 3
offered by Senator Knuppel 1ie upon the table. All in favor
of the motion from the Senator from Lansing, signify by say-
ing aye. Opposed. The ayes have it and the motion carries.
. . . .. .to Tab1e....3rd Reading.
SECRETARY:
Senate Resolution 340, by Senators Mitchler, Latherow,
Wooten, Buzbee and Scholl.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRKHAMO
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Senate Resolution 341, by Senators McBroomy Harris
and Merritt. It's commendatory.
PRESIDING OFFICER SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator McBroom
SENATOR MCBROOM:
It's congratulatory, Mr. President, I nove for the
suspension of the rules and the imnediate adoption of the
Resolution. Appreciate if a11 members would join me.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Heard the motion from the Senator Kankakee to sus-
pend the rules. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed.
The rules are suspended. The motion before the Senate is
now: Shall this resolution be adopted and al1 the Senators
be shown as co-sponsors. Al1 in favor signify by saying aye.
opposed. The ayes have it and the Resolution is adopted.
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SENATOR SCHOLL:
Mr. Presidenk and members of the Senate, I move to
discharge the committee on Revenue from further.....
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
. . .The motion.p.the mokion is by Senator Nimrod that
we proceed ko the order of House Bills on Third Reading. Any
objection? The question before the Senate is: Shall House
Bill 930 as amended pass? On that question the Secretary will
call the roll.
SECRETARY :
Bartulis. Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
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Dougherty: Fawell: Glass, Grahamz Harber Hallz Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard
Mohr, Don Moorep Netsch, Newhouser Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmer, Parkeey Regner, Rock, Roe, Romanor
Saperstein, Savickas, Sehafferr Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer, Soper: Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walkerz
Weaver: Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Keegan is voting aye. Senator Kenneth Hall
is voting aye. Senator Knuppel would like to vote aye
but he is voting no. Senator Hynesy voting aye. Senator
Clarke is voting aye. Senator Kosinski is voting aye.
Senator Newhouse is voting aye. Upon this question the
yeas were 52. The nays were 2. The bill having received
the constitutional required majority is therefore declared
passed. Are you...now prepared for a motion...senator
Scholl.
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Mr. Presidenk, I move to discharge the committee
on Revenue from further consideration of House Bill 554
and that the bill be placed or the order of 2nd reading
for the purpose of offering amendmentsw...
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
I think the motion Senator Scholl is making that
the committee on Revenue be discharged from further consider-
ation of this bill and it be re-referred to the committee on
appropriation. Is not that the motion?
SENATOR SCHOLL:
That is right.
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator McBroom.
SENATOR MCBROOM;
Well, Mr. President, I would...l Would...if I may
and the time is appropriatey like to make a comment or
two in regard to...senator Scholl's mokionz which I appreci-
ate very much. The...I think this bill should be sent to the
Appropriations Committee...the approach...and in my opinion
of the...Department of Revenue has been somewhat...somewhat
irresponsible and autocratic. When they first came to the
Appropriations CommiEtee, Mr. President, I'd...
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Could we have a little order? Senator McBroom, has some
pertinent remarks and very few are listening. I'm trying to
Senator. .could we have some order?
SENATOR MCBROOM:
Thank you, Senator Graham.o.khen Ehey first..oWhen
the first approach by tbe Revenuea.mby the Department of
Revenue to the Appropriations Committee was a request for
million 7 hundred and 29 thousand dollars. And our staff
attempted to investigate what was going on; the responses,
Senator Graham, were something along the lines - don't worry
about it - there probably will be some defeetso..that those
will be ironed outs.stherebll probably be a lot of changes
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We want something, ladies and gentlemen of the Senate, some-
thing of a definitive nature. We were not able to get any
definite plans. Then, when it appeared, Mr. President, that
the a millïon 7 hundred thousand was not forthcoming...suddenly
some effort and I want to underscore the word (Some) effort Was
made to spell out definite plans. But I want to tell you how in-
definite the definike plans were. They, then, asked a11 of a
sudden for 9 hundred and 23 million. Now, I don't know how
you come into a appropriations committee and ask for a million
700 thousand and then shortly later find out that you need only
approximakely half that amount. We found..mwe found at least
some of the functionaries who approached the appropriations com-
mittee were not at a1l cooperative. The responses were amazing
to our sEaff when they commented we know What webre doing...
we have the program - give us the money. Well, thatfs a11 fine
if welre going to approach al1 things in that nature, then,
wculd suggest the appropriations committee be disbanded, Mr.
Chairman, I think that...or Mr. President, I think that this
should be delayed until we have more definitive information.
There's been comments abouk 60 station wagons for perhaps 54 people
and when we asked how they arrived at this rather illusory figure
well, there was-.otheir response was; we were not just sure,
but it appears based on other States that this would be appro-
priate..oWe don't know how many branch offices are going to be
set up; how many employees are going to be hired - hoW much
equipment exactly is going to be required for each employee. I
think the whole thing has been a fly by the seat of your pants
approach, Mr. Chairman, and I urge the members to support Senator
Scholls motion and that it be sent to the Appropriations Com-
mittee.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
senakor Partee.
SENATOR PARTEE:
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GEAHAMO
Could we just start by trying to get some order,
Senator?
SENATOR PARTEE:
Let me just sEart by saying that some of the state-
ments that have recently been made are just simply out of
proportion to what has been suggested. Now, I saw the
figure for Automotive Transporkation and itls 20 thousand
dollars. And the gentleman knows that you certainly can't
get any 50 odd stations wagons out of 20 thousand dollars.
Now, it occurs to me that one of the real problems here is,
I don't know why this is dilatory. I don't know why we're
delaying here. Senator Scholl was the Senate sponsor of this
bill and I do know, of course, that the bill Was nok signed in his
home district. was signed somewhere else. And I understand
there is some personality factors that motivates some con-
versation and some rheEoricu But the fact-of-the-matter
is the philosophical part of this bill has been settled I
would hope once and for all and it's now really a question
of revenue. We're talking about getting the bill in imple-
mentation, so that for revenue projective can start coming
into the coffers of the State. And those that bemoan the
fact loudest that there is little or no money for this
or that are now prepared to delay bringing in the money which
this bill wil1 bring. I've been in constant contact with Dir-
ector Allphin and his staff and I have not encountered the
problems Ehak you gentlemen allude to in terms of his not say-
ing rather definitely from time to time and being able to carefully
explain what he had in mind of the figures whether it was
original start of money or this start of money. Now the fact-
of-the-aatter is we have passed the bill. We passed it with the
emergency clause here and it be...would have become 1aw immedi-
ately if the House had done likewise. The fact-of-the-matter is
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the House did not supply the number of votes for immediate a-
l doption and as the fact is noW this bill will become law on '* *' !
1 ing to have hearings now. It l2. the 1st of July. Nowr Me re go I
l3 jusk simply seems to me that you're going to indicate ko those
4. persons vho will be voting on the question of the RTA on khe
5. 19th of March that We haven't really finalized this question.
6. And I would hope that the press does not give any impression
7, but that the money for the lottery, is in fact, a part...a
8. part in granted of this entire situation. It will in effect...
9. become effective on the first of July. This move today...
l0. if we could have this bill heard today would simply move up,
11. perhaps three, perhaps four, perhaps five months, the date
l2. that we will receive money from the package. To delay it#
l3. I say, loses money for the State we are in no position to
l4. lose money, lt seems to me that we ought not now send it to
l5. the Appropriations Commitee and delay the date and delay the
l6. time when we will actually start to receiving the money. And I
l7. would on khat basis oppose this motion to re-commit this bill
l9. to the Appropriations Committee.
19. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
20. Any further discussions? Senator Weaver.
2l. SENATOR WEAVER:
22. Well, Mr. President: I see no reason Why this eanlt be heard
23. by Ehe Appropriations Committee in early April. Answers given
24. to the Appropriations Committee on whak this money Will be
25. spent for. I don't know of any other Department in khe Skate
26. of Illinois that can come in and ask for an appropriation of
27. $886,000 Without adequately explaining to the Appropriations
28. Committee or any appropriate comnittee the manner in which
29. it's going to be spent. So I think this is reasonable action,
3c. there ls no reason why it can't be heard in early April and
3l. implemented earlier than possibly July the 1st.
J2. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMII
33. Senator McBroom.
SENATOR MCBROOM:
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1. Well, Mr. President: I don't desire to prolong this. I
2. danft know where Senator Partee picked out his figure of
3. $20,000, I am confident that he offered thak figure in good
4. faith and that perhaps at the suggestion of someone Who passed
5. it on to him as we al1 have to do. The point I'm trying to '
6. make out...suggesked members of the Senate is that our side !I
7. of the aisle and our members of the Appropriations Committe l
8. and our staff apparently weren't able to establish the rapport
9. wlth the Department of Revenue, that Senator Partee alludes
l0. to. And it has been a situation where we have been dealt
ll. wikh in generalities. Now, Director Allphin talked to me
l2. today, perhaps about an hour ago. This is the first time he
13. has discussed this matter with me and I think to do anything
l4. but send this to the Appropriations Committee is precipitous
l5. action. And I would strongly urge that a11 nembers support
l6. senator Scholl's motion.
l7. PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
lS. The question before the senate is shall HB 554 be...to
l9. discharge the Committee on Revenue from further consideration
20. of 554 and have it recommitted to the Commiktee on Appropria-
2l. tions. All in favor of the motion by Senator Scholl signify
22. by saying aye. opposed. The ayes have it and the motion
23. carries. The bïll is recommitted to the Commïttee on Appropri-
24. ations. Any further business? Senator Harris. Senator Glass.
25. ssuAToR GLAss:
26. Thank your Mr. President, just a reminder to Senators
27. Wooken, Johns, Scholl and Barkulis that the Energy sub-
28. committee will be meeting one half hour after adjournment29. and the Room number is M-3. Thank you Mr. President.
30. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAM):
31. Any further business? Is senator Ozinga on the floor?
32. senator Frank Ozinga? We have another Committee report in...
33. We are now in the order of Committee reports. Mr. Secretary. !
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2. (Secretary reads Governor's Message)
3. PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
4. Senator Ozinga.
5. SENATOR OZINGA:
6. Mr. President and members of the Senate, Executive
7. Commfttee has me* and Me have consïdered varïous messages
8. of the Governor, as per the statement made by the secretary
9. of the Senate. On the Message of September 20th, 1973
l0. was the nomination of Mr. George E. Batzely of Waukegan to
l1. be a member of the Waukegan Port District Board, for a term
l2. expiring May 31st, 1979. And Mr. President, I Would move
l3. that the Senate advise and consent to the nomination of
l4. George E. Batzel of Waukeqan to be a menber of Waukegan Pcrt
l5. District Board.
l6. PRESIDING OPFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
l7. Senator Ozinga moves that the Senake do noW resolve
18. ftself into Executive Session for the purpose of hearing
l9. his recommendation on the Governor's nomination. Is leave
20. granted? Leave is granted. He noW moves that the Senate
2l. do advise and consent to Mr. Batzel being advise and consent...
22. to his appointment to the Waukegan Port District and the
23. Secretary kill call the roll.
24. SECRETARY:
25. Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
26. Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,
27. Dougherty, Fawell, Glass? Grahamy Harber Hally Kenneth
28. Hall, Hynese Johns, Keegan: Xnuepferr Knuppelz Kosinski,
29. Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt: Mitchler: Howard
30. Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
3l. Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,
32. Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smithe
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
McBroom, aye. Senator Keeganz aye. On this question the
yeas are 44, the nays are none. As a result of the vote of Ehe
Senate on the question khe majority of the Senators elected con-
curring therein the Senate does advise and consent to the Gover-
nors nomination of Mr. Batzel to be a member of the Waukegan Port
Diskrict. Senator Ozinga.
SENATOR OZINGA:
Mr. Presidenkr on the Governor's message of November the
l3..was...Mr...We11, 1et me put it this way - I will move that
the Senate advise and consent to the nomination of Harris
Kevensky, to be a menber of the Board of Unemployment Compensation
and Free Employment Office Advisory/ whieh has now been changed tothe office of Enployment Security Advisory Board for a term ex-
piring on the 3rd Monday of January, 1975.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Your motion is - Do the ...senate advise and consents.eupon
that motion the Secretary Will call the roll.
SECRETARY:
Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,
Doughertyr Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer: Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherowr McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mikchler, Howard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch' Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,
Sapersteinz Savickas: Schafferp Schdll, Shapiro, Smithz
Sommer, Soper, Sours, Skinarski, Vadalabene, Walker?
Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFTCER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Bartulis, aye. Kenneth Hall, aye. On this question the yeas
are 42, the nays are none. The result of the vote of the Senake
on Ehis question; a majority of the Senators elected concurringby record vote the Senate does advise and consent to the appoint-
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ment of Harris Kevensky, in the Governors message of November
13th...as confirmed. Senator Ozinga
SENATOR OZINGA:
Now, Mr. Presidenkp from *he Governor's message of January
14th# 1974, I would move that the Senate advise and consent to
the nomination of Ed C. Oakes, of Champaign, Illinoisz to be a
member of the Illinois Veterans Commission, for a term expir-
ing July 1st, 1977.
PRESIDING OPFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Youbve heard the motion of the Senator from...where are
you from.e.oEvergreen Park....The Secretary will call the roll.
SECRETARY:
Bartulis, Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chew, Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewaldy
Dougherty, Pawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hallr Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johns, Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherow, McBroom, Mccarthy, Merritt, Mitchler, Howard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netscht Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romano,
Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer, Soper, sours, Swinarski, Vadalabenee Walker'
Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMO
Mr. Presidentr aye. Hynes, aye. Daley, aye. The result
of the vote of the Senate on the question is 40 yeas, and no
nays. A majority of the Senators elected concurring by a
record vote; the Senate does advise and eonsent to the Governor's
nomination of Edward C. Oakes, ko become a member of the Illinois
Veterans Commission as outlined on the message of January l4.
Senator Ozinga.
SENATOR OZINGA:
I have one more and that is of Mr. William G. Adrian, Sr.#
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of Mascoukahe to be a member of the Kaskaskia Regional Port
District Board, term expiring On June the 30th, 1976.
Nowy Mr. President, this member was slated to appear be-
fore the committee at least three other times, and special
effort was asked to have him present. And it appears that
he has consistently refused to face the commitEee - and on
the basis of that and consideratlons other than that in
the hands of a committee a motion was made by the committee
that the eommittee recommend to Ehe Senate khat it does not
give its approval and consent to this appointment. However,
in conformity to the rules of the Senate as are skated -
will be forced to make the motion as Chairman of this com-
mitkee that Ehe Senate move..qthat the Senate advise and
consent to the nomination of Willim G. Adrianp Sr., Xascoutah
to be a member of the Faskaskia Regional Port Diskrict for the
term expiring June 30th 1976.
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Youdve heard the motion. Senator Rock.
SENATOR ROCK:
Yes, Mr. President, I will voice the same objecEion which
voiced in the Senate Executive Committee. This gentleman did not
appear before the committee and the action thak was taken there
apparently will be taken here is premature. I don't know what
the facts are underlying this movement to not confirm this
gentleman. But the fack of the matter is he did not appear be-
fore the commitee. And I think that any motion is premature
and I intend to vote present.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
The motion by Senator Ozinga in conformity with the rules
is that the Senate do advise and consent despite *he fact that
the committee did vote thak the Senate did not advise and con-
sent and upon the motion of Senator Ozinga, the Secretary will
call the roll.
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Buzbee.
SENATOR BUZBEE:
I rise on a point of personal privilege, Mr. President,
as Mr. Adrian is from my district, I was wondering what prec-
edent there is for committeefs taking a vote without the
persons' being - I understand full Well the Chairman's con-
cern, because Mr. Adrian did noE appear for some four or five
meetings - buE for taking a voke without his having appeared
to...testify...
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
The Chairman may answer that. I think he answered it
in Committee.
SENATOR HARRIS:
Well, Mr. President, I would just observe that for unsalaried
positions there have been literally thousands of confirmations.
T don't know how Dany rejections when the invited nominee hasfailed to respond to khe request of the committee - I'd say
four times is enough. The Senate does have the precedent of
acting on nominations without Ehe presence of nominee. And
think we are clearly within our prerogative to take this action.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPARAMO
Senator Buzbee.
SENATOR BUZBEE:
Thank you, Mr. President. President Harris, I am simply
asking for my own information.
PRE8IDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMO
SENATOR OZINGA, I think, ruled this morning that this man
had had reasonable opportunity to appear. The Secretary will
call the roll.
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SECRETARY:
Bartulisf Bell, Berning, Bruce, Buzbee, Carroll,
Chewr Clarke, Conolly, Course, Daley, Davidson, Donnewald,
Dougherty, Fawell, Glass, Graham, Harber Hall, Kenneth
Hall, Hynes, Johnsr Keegan, Knuepfer, Knuppel, Kosinski,
Latherowr McBroom, Mccarthy, Merrittz Mitchler, Howard
Mohr, Don Moore, Netsch, Newhouse, Nimrod, Nudelman,
Ozinga, Palmer, Partee, Regner, Rock, Roe, Romanor
Saperstein, Savickas, Schaffer, Scholl, Shapiro, Smith,
Sommer, Soper, Sours, Swinarski, Vadalabene, Walker,
Weaver, Welsh, Wooten, Mr. President.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Scholl, no. Merritt, no. Mitchler...Netsch, aye.
Senator Netsch, aye. The result of this vote is 2 yeas,
21 nays, three voting present. The majority of the Senators
elected having refused to give their advise and consent by
a record vote - the Senate rejects the Governor's nomination
of Wm. G. Adrianz for the office of a member of the Kaskaskia
Regional Port Districk. Senakor Ozinga.
SENATOR OZINGA:
Mr. President, there are others but we have agreed in the
committee to withhold the further appointment here, and I would
noW move that the Senate do now arise.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Ozinga moves that the Executive Session of the
Senate do now rise. All in favor will signify by saying aye.
Opposed. We have risen. Any further business, Mr. Secretary?
Resolutions . Senakor Vadalabene.
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SENATOR VADALABENE:
Thank you, Mr. President, I was wondering if I could at
this time add my name to Senate Resolution 325. And for the
sake of expediency the other Senators are also here would like
to have their names added to would be Senator Mccarthy,
senator Netch: Senator Newhouse and Senator Chew.
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PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
0ur shorthand is not that good - youbre asking leave
of the Senate to add a list of names ko Resolution 325.
SENATOR VADALABENE:
senate Resolution 325.
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMCI
Is leave granted? Leave is granted and you Will submit
the list of the names in writing to the Secretary so that he
may add them to the Resolution. Alright Senator?
SENATOR VADALABENE:
Very gcod. Thank you.
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Senator Harris. Senator Bill Harrisp Mr. President.
Senator Buzbee youfre holding up the workings of khe Senate.
senator Harris. Senator McBroom.
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SENATOR MCBROOM:
Senator Vadalabene explain what Ehe Resolution does,
Mr. President?
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
It's already been introduced and adopted. Senator Harris.
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I yield to my seat-mate - Senator Robert Mitchler.
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GPAHN4:)
The Chair can not see Senator Mikchler.
SENATOR MITCHLER:
Mr. Presidenk, on the Secretary's desk is a Resolution -
Ehe lasE one that I will have today....
PRESIDING OFPICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
oh, no....
SENATOR MITCHLER:
I'd like to have ...would the Secretary please read the
Resolutian...
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How long is iE, Senator?
SECRETARY:
(Reads Senate Resolution 342)
PRESIDING OPFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
There have been a...senator Soper..a.is whirling his in-
dex finger at me. Senator.
SENATOR SOPER:
Now, I go along With some of these things where the Reso-
lution has some sense and so forth - but like to know if
Senator Mitchler with this nonsense if he is going to pay the
bill for the printing and the...involvement as far as the
Journal is concerned. We haven't got a lot of money around
here to throw around - even though someone did quit smoking.
And I know that Senator Graham Would like to have Mitchler
pay the cost of this thing. Thank you. That's a11 Ilve got
to say.
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GPAHAMO
Senator Mikchler takes *he fifth. Thank you very much
gentlemen, and since I've learned to do Without cigarettes
I can learn ko submit to all of the Resolutions introduced
by the gentleman from Oswego: 1'11 have it made around here.
There has been a motion for suspension of the rules for the
immediate adoption of the Resolution. Leave granted. Leave
is granted. A1l in favor of the adoption signify by saying
aye. Opposed. The ayes have it and the Resolution is adopted
- almost - Senator Harris.
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SENATOR HARRIS:
Mr. President: Is it correct that we have noW completed
all the business on the Secretary's desk - with the exception
of the Death Resolution?
PRESIDING OFFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
Yes, I have been so informed by the Secretary, Mr. President.
SENATOR HARRIS:
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A1l right, Mr. President, then I with the conclusion of
these remarks will then move that the Senate recess subject
to the call of the Chair. Now, it is appropriate that the
members of the Senate be available to receive the message
from the House on its action on Hcuse Bi11 930. We must
anticipate khat there could be disagreement between the
Ewo Houses develop and it would be inappropriate for us
to adjourn in order to facilitate any...well not ko fac-
ilitate any misunderstanding; but in order to eliminate
any misunderstanding between the Houses it's important
for us as individual members to be in a position to res-
pond to the bell and the announcements over our squawk box
system that we reconvene some fifteen minutes or so after
we know of the action by the House. So with Ehat understand-
ing and with that word of caution I now move to recess the
Senate subject to the call of khe Chair.
PRESIDING OPFICER (SENATOR GRAHAMO
The Senate will stand ak recess until the call of the
Chair.
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PRESIDENT:
Senator Soper would you approach the beneh, please?
Pursuant to the recess motion the Senate will come to order.
Messages from the House.
SECRETARY:
(Reads Message fron the House)
(House concurred wikh Senate in adopkion
of their Amendnent No. 2 to HB No. 389)
(House concurred with the Senate in the adoption
of Amendmenk to House Bill 930)
(House has adopted Resolution HJR No. 89)
And this Resolution provides to extend the reporting date of the
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Township Government LaWs Commission from February 15 to
June 15th.
PRESIDENT:
The chairman of Local Government is recognized.
Senator Soper.
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of the reporting date of the Township...commission.
PRESIDENT:
This extends it from February 15 to June 15th. Is
there any discussion? A11 in favor of Ehe House Joint Reso-
lution signify by saying aye. Contrary no. The motion
carries and the Joint Resolution is adopted. Are there
any other matters Eo come before the Senate? We have four
Death Resolutions.
BECRETARY:
(Senake Resolution 343)
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PRESIDENT:
Mr. Secretary, Why don't you read ...the pertenent material
of the three others and then Senator Mitchler can put the motion.
SECRETARY:
(SenaEe Resolution 344)
(Senate Resolution 345)
(Senate Resolution 346)
PRESIDENT:
Senator Mitchler.
SENATOR MITCHLER:
Mr. Presidenk..ol Would move for Ehe suspension of the
rules immediate consideration adoption by this Body of these
memorial Resolutions.
PRESIDENT:
On that question all in favor signify by saying aye,
contrary no, the motion carries. The rules are suspended
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and on Senator Mikchler's mokion to adopt all four Death
Resolukions, a1l those who favor of adoption signify by
rising. The Resolutions are adopted. The Senate stands
adjourned pursuant to our Adjournment Resolution until
11 A. M. Wednesday March 6th 1974. Safe journey every-One.
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