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EverynowandagainIseeglimpsesofmyselfinyoungerprogrammersastheystrugglewiththesameconceptsIdid,fallintothesamementaltrapsandgenerallymakesimilarmistakes.Writingthe4wrongwayspostmademewonderhowcommonthesephasesreallyareandwhetherwecouldcategorizethem.

Youtoo?Wellwondernolonger,forIhavecompletedthisherculeantask!Ivefoundmyselfineachofthesetrapsatleastoncesomeofthemseveraltimesandhaveseentheminotherstoo.Aretheremoreoutthere?

TheEnthusiasticNewbie

Thenewbieisfullofpassionandexcitementforheroneandonlylanguage,whichisundoubtedlyVB,PHPoractionscript.Havingfinallygottogripswiththesyntaxofsaidlanguageshefeelsshescompletelymastereditinallitsforms.Thenewbiewritesastonishinglyquickly,buteverythingendsupinonebigfilefullofglobalvariables.Thisisaveryproductivestage,iflittlewormgamesandrandomutilities/replacementshellsarewhatyouwantproduced.

Distinguishingcodefeatures:Eachprogramisexactlyonefile,containingahundredglobalvariables,noneofwhichhasmorethanfourlettersinthename.Mistakenbelief:Programmingsprettyeasy,really.Mostendearingquality:HerlittleshiverofexcitementeverytimesheopensherIDEandgazesatablankproject,fullofpotential.Reads:Fireflyfanfics.Mostlikelytosay:ComeandlookatthiscoolflashgameIjustfinished!



TheBuddingGenius

Havingprogrammedforafewyearsandlearntasecondlanguage,thebuddinggeniusisfirmlyconvincedthatheistheMessiahoftheprogrammingworld.Hereinforcesthisworldviewwithhisconvictionthatanythinghedoesntunderstand(i.e.almosteverything)ispointless,oldfashionedandawasteoftime.

Distinguishingcodefeatures:Useshisownvectorclassimplementation.Alwaysstartsclassnameswithhisowninitial.Mistakenbelief:Theprogrammingworldhasmoretolearnfromhimthanhedoesfromit.Mostendearingquality:Howeasyitistomakehimdefensiveandhuffybymentioninganythingoutsidehiscabbagepatchofexperience.Reads:Hisownblog.Mostlikelytosay:Huh,yeahwelleveryoneknowsfunctionallanguagesarenousefor*real*programming*anyhow*

TheAbstractionFreak

Afterawhileallnewprogrammersbeingtorealizetheystarteachnewflashgamebycopying90%oftheoldone.Suddenlyitoccurstothemthattheycouldwriteonesupergameenginetomakewritinganewgameassimpleasfindingthespritesandwritingaconfigfilecontainingtherules!Flushedwiththissuccess,thewannabeabstractionfreakbeginstobelieveallprogramsshouldbegeneralized,generalized,generalizedunfortunately,holdingontothisbelieftoolongturnsthemintotheAbstractionFreak.

Distinguishingcodefeatures:Addsfivenewclasseseverytimeheimplementsanewfeature,allofwhicharenamedafterdesignpatternsandgivenocluewhatsoeverastothefeaturetheyresupposedtoimplement.Anyactualbusinesslogicishiddeninanxmlbasedconfigfilesomewhereelseintherepository.Mistakenbelief:Writingaprogramtointerpretasetofconfigfilescontaininganawkwardlyphrased,buggydescriptionoftheprogramhewantstowriteisbetterthanwritingtheprogramhewantstowrite.Mostendearingquality:Theexpressionofpainfulconcentrationonhisfacewhilebattlinghisanalysisparalysisbeforestartingtoreimplementtheloginfeatureforthefourthtimethatmonth.Reads:DesignPatterns,covertocover,duringhislunchbreakeveryday.Mostlikelytosay:SoIthinkweshouldstartthenewtimeschedulingprojectbywritingagenericapplicationframework



TheVeteran

Anyprogrammerexposedtothebitterrealitiesofworkinginasoullesscommercialsoftwarecompany,shufflingbitsonaharddiskforthesamesalaryeverymontheventuallydevelopsacertainprotectiveshell.Neitherspeednorgeniusarerewarded,sooftenaprofessionaldeveloperbegintodevelopaverycareful,measuredstylethatensureshesnevercaughtoutbyeitherbugsormanagement,whichheconsiderstobeprettymuchthesamething.

Distinguishingcodefeatures:Thefirsttenlinesofanyfunction,evenanaccessor,areallassertstatements.Alltheerrorconditionsforeachfunctionaredutifullycheckedandhandledandcommentsareliberallyscatteredthroughout.Mistakenbelief:Doingthingsproperlyisthesameasgettingthingsdone,butbetter.Mostendearingquality:Hisauraofmeasured,unflappablecalmthatmakesitclearthateventhedirestemergencywontmakehimworkanyfaster,leavingonewiththeimpressionhemightbebettersuitedtoacareerinthebonsaiindustry.Reads:joelonsoftware.com(yes,eventhoughJoelsstoppedposting)Mostlikelytosay:Well,Iwontbeabletosayuntildoingaproperestimatenextweek,butitsgoingtobeatleast*sucksairinthroughpursedlips*atleastfourmanmonthstoaddaprintpreview,plustestinganddocumentationofcourse.

TheGuru

Afteradecadeorsoofbouncingfromonestereotypetothenext,ournewbieisallgrownup,yetshefeelslikeahollowshelloftheenthusiastsheoncewas.Onemorning,shewakesupandrealizesthattheunwieldycrustofunittests,assertions,errorcheckingandclassdesignthathavebuiltuparoundherprogrammingstylearejustcrutches,crutchesthataredraggingherdownandthatshenolongerneeds!Shecaststhemoffandbeginswritingthesimplest,barestcodeshecanthinkoftodowhatsheneeds!Freethefeatures!Freethecode!Freedom!

Distinguishingcodefeatures:Onlywritesindynamicallytypedlanguageswithastrongfunctionalcomponent.Atfirstglancehercodelooksremarkablysimilartothenewbies,exceptthereslessofitandthevariablenamesmakesense.Mistakenbelief:Thatherenlightenmentmakesheraguruwithoutthequotationmarks.Mostendearingquality:Herlittleshiverofexcitementeverytimesheseesaninterestingproblemshecouldsolvewithjusthalfadozenlinesofcode.Reads:news.ycombinator.com/newestMostlikelytosay:Youknow,polymorphicinheritanceisreallyjustapoormanssubstituteforfirstclassfunctionsanddynamictyping



And

Sothereyouhaveit,mycareerasaprogrammerlaidbare.Imcurious;doeseveryonegothroughthesephases?

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Spoton.Ijustrepliedmybosswith*sucksairin*estimateandwantedtocheckoutwhatsthefussabouthackernewswebsite.

kl


Replyyep..thatprettymuchsumsitupforme.

tony


TheEnthusiasticNewbieTheBuddingGeniusTheAbstractionFreakTheVeteranTheGuru



ReplyAnyonewhohasbeeninthisbusinessover10yearsWORKING,havelived,practicedandsuffer.

Ninel

ninelconde

July6,2010at2:16am

ReplyIcheckedallthecheckboxes.Assumingyoumean,Whichstagesofprogrammerincompetencehaveyoubeenthroughtoday?

Neebat


ReplyImbecomingaveteran NOMOREBUGSFORYOU

droope


ReplyHeresagreatcommentfromknight666intheredditcommentthread,itsacrimeifmorepeopledontseeit:

Atschool(gameprogramming),wehavethreeprogrammingteachers:

JaccotheexdemoscenerDefiningfeatures:Doesntlikeabstraction.Everythingshouldbecrammedinasinglefileifpossible.Codeshouldbefast.Providesaframework,butitsabsolutelybarebones(rendersabuffertoawindow,providesavector2,vector3andmatrix4x4class)Mayorannoyance:Lackofabstractioncausesinflexiblecode.Singlelettervariablenames.

DinotheveteranabstractionistDefiningfeatures:Abstracteverythiiiiiiing.Memberdatashouldbeinpimps.Hatesheadersandconsidersthemarchaic.Alwayscodesplatformagnostic.Becauseofhisabundanceofabstraction,theprogramcodeisseparatedfromtherenderingcode.Mayorannoyance:Putseverythingin.cppsinsteadofheaders,whichcauseslinkingnightmares.Ridiculouslyconvulatedcodingstyleandvariablenaming.Abstractionwherenoneisrequired(ImprettysuremyVec3isalwaysgoingtouseeitherfloatsorfixedpoint,IhavenoneedforaVec3)

Nilsthechilledoutdude



NilsthechilledoutdudeDefiningfeatures:Featuresbeforespeed.Getitrunning,thengetitfast.Abstractthingsonlywhenrequired.Getsshitdone.Mayorannoyance:Nonereally.

Thepastyear,IvebeenagreeingwithJacco,thenwithDinoandnowwithNils.However,itsabalance.Whenyoucodeforspeed,yourshitwillbreakwhenyouwanttoaddnewstuff.Whenyouabstracteverything,nothingwillevergetdone!Itsaveeeeerydelicatebalance.HowmuchabstractiondoIreallyneedandhowimportantisspeedrightnow?

coderoom


Replysmallworld,thosearemyteachers(knightbeingmysenior)

Andthatabsolutelysumsthemup!

awesomearticle

zeroZshadow

June24,2010at11:08am

ReplyAfterpoundingoutcodefor25years,Guruisthebestfit.

Jeff


ReplyAndthisiswhyyouarenotone.Itaskedyouwhichstagesyouwentthrough,notwhichoneyouthinkyouare.

Linegod


ReplyAlso,heputquotesaroundguru.

Yep

April19,2010at2:00pm

ThiswouldexplainwhysomanypeopleiconsiderGuruprogrammershavefalleninlove



ThiswouldexplainwhysomanypeopleiconsiderGuruprogrammershavefalleninlovewithHaskellandProlog

Dustin


ReplyGreatread,lotsoftruth,butswitchinggendersoftheprogrammereveryparagraphistremendouslyannoying.

Brian


ReplyMaybeyourerightaboutthat.They/their/themislessimmediate,lesspersonal.Perhapsonesheandtheresthewouldvebeenmorerepresentative(althoughallhewouldvebeenevenmoreso).Wellsee.

coderoom


ReplyGenderdoesntmatter.Chooseheorsheandstickwithit.Idontthinkanyoneiskeepingscoreofyourpronouns,andiftheyare,thentheyreprobablyworthpissingoff.

decadeCoder


Sogenderabstractionisnowrequired?

Pete


Replytheauthorsaidhe/shehasexperiencedallthosestages,perhapschanginggenderbetweeneachofthem?

bse

March20,2010at1:02am

Reply

Iagree.WhenIreadashemyinstinctisthatIhavemissedsomethingandIstartlooking



Iagree.WhenIreadashemyinstinctisthatIhavemissedsomethingandIstartlookingbacktofindoutwhothissheis.Pleasepeople,hecanbeusedtomeanheorshe.

Ben


ReplyIactuallyenjoyedthegenderswitching.Madeitlessaboutthespecificperson.

zachaysan


ReplyOfthefivetypes,theguruistheonemostlikelytobeashe.Sheprobablystartedhercareerintheearly1980s,whichwasthelasttimetherewassomethingapproachinggenderequality.

BTW,Imustbereadyforsometranscendentstageofprogrammerincompetence,becausetheonlycodethatdoesntseemfussyandprecioustomethesedaysisassemblylanguage.

Webar


Thatsbecausethearticlehasdynamicgendering.

Angel


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Greta

September20,2010at9:54pm

Firstclassfunctionsareagoodsubstituteforasinglepolymorphicfunction,untilyouneedtopass/returnmultiplepolymorphicfunctionsandsomedataallatonceandthenyouhaveanADTagain.

Colin


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ThisblogpostfollowsapatternIhavebeennoticinglatelyinprogrammerblogs.Ibelievethatonecouldabstractoutseveralpiecesofittocreatearudimentaryframework

Merritt


ReplyTherewasanexcellentpostonHNalongthoselinesamonthorsoago,somethinglikeThisisthetitleofagenericblogpost.Itriedsearchingforitbutfoundsomanythatitdidntseemfunnyanymore

coderoom


ReplyHitthenailontheheadandhammeredhome.

FarazAli


ReplyThisisbrilliantitsnotonlyfunny,itssimplythetruth,andfunnybecauseitsthetruth

Thanks,itmademyday

RolandBouman


ReplyAwesome,itwasmypleasure

coderoom


ReplyHilariousandsotrue.Bravo.

Braden


Reply[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceyieldthought[]



StreamingcalcioPalermoInter20/03/2010


ReplyVeteren,sigh

Veryaccurate!

bgw


Replygurufornewprojects,veteranwhenmaintaining.

Butgurucouldntbemoreaptmylanguagechoice,thatIcheckedHN10timestoday,mybeliefthatthemostcrucialpartofprogrammingischoosingtherightnamesforthings,whatIwastalkingaboutlastweekendtheonlymischaracterizationisthatIthinkallmyprogramsareshit,andIdratherhaveaseizurethantrytoaddfeaturestoa10k+linepythonproject.

jhl


ReplyYourenotacompetentprogrammeruntilyoucaremoreaboutthesolutionthanthetools.Anyonethatproselytizesalanguageortooloutsidethecontextofaddressingaparticularproblemisnotyetacompetentprogrammer.

myarse


ReplyIlovethem!Itsjustwell,arentthesereallytheevolutionarystagesforadeveloper?Somanyofusidentifywiththem,Imnotsureitsfairtolabelthemasstagesofincompetence.Ithinkweallgothroughthem.Theyarestagesofgrowth.

vurcease


ReplyThisistrue,butasJeffAtwoodsays,recognizingourownincompetenceisthekeytogrowth

coderoom




ReplySoWhatsafterguru?

Andwhileauthoringyourmemoirsofacareerincode,youveforgottenafewfriendsalongtheway

Remember:TheTechnicalProjectManagerforwhomthereisntanycodingproblemthataGanttchartcouldntfix,andwhohadsomemysticalunderstandingofwhatpercentcompletemeans.Thisguyleftthecodingpathsomewherebetweennewbieandabstractionist

AndRecall:TheUI/HFEngineerforwhomtheholygrailistheultimatehumanunderstandablerepresentationofsystemstate.Forwhomtheinventionofthedropdowncomboboxisamajorhistoricalmilestone

BrianMaso


ReplyHowniceforyouthatyouimagineyoureaguru.

Wontitbefunwhenyoumakethistableagain,assignyourcurrentpositiontobeingarelativenovice,andwhereveryouarethenisnowthegurustep?

Maybeyoushouldstopfellatingyourownskilllevelinpublic.

JohnHaugeland


ReplyHeh,aguruisntaguru.Theyjustthink,actandtalkasiftheyare

coderoom


ReplyGurushouldbeindoublequotes(guru)asitisastringandnotachar,usuallyinsinglequotes.Justthrowingthatoutthere.

Vlad


Reply



Ah,butinpythonyoucanuseeither

coderoom


ReplyAndinPHPaswell..

ThomasLukasik


WorksinC++toogivesyouanint

ReJ

June25,2010at7:12am

Whileeveryoneknowsthestepsinyour5stagesarespectrumsnotquantumjumps,theyareindeedveryfair.Anditsimportanttoremembertherearelittletidbitsofall5thatSHOULDbeanotherlevel.

Howeveronceyouworkforacompanywhosejobisittomakemoneysellingnotsupporting,youdoindeedgetbeatendown.Timetomarket,visualappeal,marketing,alltrump(mostofthetime),eleganceinsoftwareengineering.Stillyouhavetoadmit,itsnotabadwaytomakealivingifyouarestillenthusiasticaboutwritingcode.Evenifhastobeyourcode,notyouemployersyouareenthusiasticabout.

Jeff


Reply[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceEverynowandagainIseeglimpsesofmyselfinyoungerprogrammersastheystrugglewiththesame[][]

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ReplyTheBuddingGeniusisthebest,notonlyforprogrammers Youarestillatthestagewhenyoudontknowifthoseareillusionsorpremonitions.

StephanaNikolova




ReplyAnychanceyoucando5StagesofProgrammerCompetencynext?Ohandbtw,youcantradeobjectforclosure.(youcanbut,heylol)

gml


ReplyIfIeverreachalevelofcompetencyinprogrammingIsurelyshall!

coderoom


ReplyThepostseemstodescribefolkswhostartworkingat1820knowingonlyoneprogramminglanguage,asopposedtogrowinguplovingtheprogrammingexperiencewhilebeinglanguageagnostic.Theabstractionstepmakessense,buteventhatcanbejustifiedforpragmaticreasonswhenyouhavetodothesamethingbutconfigureddifferentlyforthe2ndor3rdtime.Idontconsideritastepinanaturalevolution.Whatreallystandsoutfromthispostisthelackofbusinesssenseandpragmatismfromthepersonalitiesdescribed.Isitwhatworkingassoftwareengineerinalargecorporationdoestoyou?Andwhatwiththeegodrivenneedtoaccomplishorshowcase,asopposedtosimplyperformthetaskathand,whetheritbeselfassignedorhandeddownmanymature(andsomeimmature)programmersdonthavesomuchanegoproblemthattheyshouldprovethemselvesbettersomehowviaoneofthedescribedidiosyncrasies.Finally,atrueprogramminginmyopinionisequallycomfortablewithassemblylanguageaswithLisporJava,hasnothingtoprovetheworldandjustenjoyswhathedoes.Hedoesntseemtofittheprofileslisted.Andtoboot,noneoftheseprofileshasmuchtodowithcompetencecompetenceisgettingtherightthingsdoneproperlyinasturdyandscalableway,thenbeingabletosmoothlyhanditoverandmoveon.Franklyalltheprofilesfitthenewbieattitudetome.

DreamT


ReplyMythoughtsexactly.Greatprogrammers

*Seetheexpandedproblemspace,whichincludesorganisationalobjectives,culture,practice,existingcode,people,materialsandbudget,aswellasstatedobjectivesandtechnicalissues.

*Areusuallygeniuseswithloadsofexperience.Theyseekandfindmajortechnical



*Areusuallygeniuseswithloadsofexperience.Theyseekandfindmajortechnicalshortcutstodeliversolutionsacrosstheexpandedproblemlandscape.ThisistheGreatProgrammersXfactor.Youcantteachit.

*Improveprocesseswherepossible,butareneverprocessjunkies.Particularlytheyeschewthesemblanceofprocess.

*Areprobablyawareoftoolandlanguagetrends,butareneverfashionvictims.

Bill


Replyrighton.thiscannotbesaidbetter.

c0der78

March7,2012at2:30am

YouleftoutmyprogrammingpositionTheGrunt.TheonethatisassignedtofinalizethegeniuscodeanddesigntheGuruhascreatedandbringittoproduction.InmyexperiencetheGurudoesthedesignaccordingtowhateverfancynewdesignpatternortechniquehislastconferencegothimtobelievein.Iasamultitaskingrobotamassignedtodeliverhisgenioustoproduction.WhatIgetisaproofofconceptthathasbeencarefullydemonstratedtothecompanymanagement.Thebigbossesbelievetheproductis90%readybutthetruthisthatitsbarely20%ready.SoinmythemanagementeyesIamalwaysunderperformingandtheGuruisoverperforming,hegetsthebigsalarycheckandIgetthescrapsforfinishinghisconstantlychangingdesignpatternsandwhimsydesignsandhavetosupportthestuffaswellandmeanwhiletheGurumovesontodesignsomenewstuffwithWindows7featureseverywherebutourcustomersarestillstickingtoWinXpandServer2000.IagreewithDreamTtheprofilesaredescribingnaivenewbieprogrammersandasfunasthispostingisitwouldbegreatgetamorethoroughanalysisofprogrammers,butIknowablogisnottheplace

Tobakstugga


ReplyAh,thisissotrue!

coderoom


Replystopbloggingandgobacktowork!



zero


ReplyDistinguishingcodefeatures:

Mistakenbelief:

Mostendearingquality:

Reads:

Mostlikelytosay:

Mentifex


ReplyTheMetamorphizedSolutionEngineer:

Thisperson,preferablypriortoGuru,butafterAbstractionist,decidestochangecareersandgointoEnterpriselevelSolutiondevelopment.

Thisguyremembersallhiscodekata,buthaslosttrackofmostlanguages,thinksinobjectsandERD,butalsospeakshardwareandnetwork.Hefailstorememberthepainthatgeneralprogrammingcausestheheartbuthasmasteredthetaskofcommunicatingbetweentheregularhumanandtheprogrammingteamusuallyusingthemostdangerousandpowerfullanguageofall:pseudocode.

Heisknownforwritingthingsontheboardlike:

if(datareturnsok)then(dosecondprocess)else(throwerror)

andthenconsiderthataviablespec.

Athisbest,thismangetsthebillspaidandkeepseveryonehappyinplushiesandnerfguns,athisworst,hepromisesthingstocustomersthatcantexistanywherebesidesthepliable4dimensionalfantasylandofhisownmindbutyouhavetocodeit.

Lovethisman,andfearhimheslikelyyourboss.

Distinguishingcodefeatures:completesitallindryerasemarker,andconsiderscolorcodingtheextentofhisresponsibility.

Mistakenbelief:ifhecandreamit,youwillbuildit

Mostendearingquality:willingtostandbetweenyouandthesuitsandactuallytrulygets



Mostendearingquality:willingtostandbetweenyouandthesuitsandactuallytrulygetsiteventhoughhedoesntcodeanymore

Reads:TheRobbReport(becausehesmakingmoremoneythanyouare)

Mostlikelytosay:Yes,wecandothatnoworries.

CPUnk


ReplyThanksforthisone,itreallymademelaugh

coderoom


Replyapropos++;

nolochemical


ReplyScriptkiddie?

davefar


ReplyIhaverbeenthroughallofthemandIamnowinastateofenlightenedignorancewrtsoftwaredevelopment.

lee


ReplyYouforgotoneofthemostimportantones:RealProgrammer.http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.htmlhttp://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html

Distinguishingcodefeatures:Selfmodifyingcode.Nocommentsanywhere.Herefusestowritecodeinanythingotherthanassembly,CorFORTRANorusethewordswebandprogramminginthesamesentence.Hiscodeisimpossibleforanyotherprogrammertounderstand,afactthatensureshimjobsecurityforlife.



Mistakenbelief:Commentsareforsissies.Ifitwashardtowrite,saystheRealProgrammer,itshouldbehardtounderstand.

Mostendearingquality:Helikestoentertainotherprogrammersatpartiesbyrecitingthebinaryopcodesforeverymachinehehaseverprogrammed.

Reads:Intel64andIA32ArchitecturesSoftwareDevelopersManualVolume3B:SystemProgrammingGuidePart2.,opentoaparticularlyinterestingpageaboutthesubtlenuancesofVirtual8086Mode.

Mostlikelytosay:Ifaprogramcantrewriteitsowncode,whatgoodisit?

Alex


ReplyNicearticle,thanksforthelink!

SinceMelknewthenumericalvalueofeveryoperationcode,andassignedhisowndrumaddresses,everyinstructionhewrotecouldalsobeconsideredanumericalconstant.Hecouldpickupanearlieraddinstruction,say,andmultiplybyit,ifithadtherightnumericvalue.Hiscodewasnoteasyforsomeoneelsetomodify.

Understatementmakecoderoomhappy!

coderoom


ReplyHahagladyoulikeitTheStoryofMelsaclassicpieceofhackerfolklore

Kindoffascinatingtoo.MakesmewishIhadanoldmainframejusttoseewhatitwaslike

Alex


DamngotmeatAbstractionFreak.Thanksfortheheadsup!

Scott


Reply

IdbepossiblyanothersortofincompetentprogrammerMan(asinManual).Man



IdbepossiblyanothersortofincompetentprogrammerMan(asinManual).Manmakessurethateachandeveryprogrammerinhisteamcancodethewaytheywantandproduceresultsinthewaytheyprefer.EverysingleupdateneedstogothroughMansohecanmakesureitdoesntaffectanyotherdevswayoflife.Asaresultnooneeverimproves,Manistheonlyonewhoknowswhatsgoingonandis*litterally*themanual.IfManeverhappenstotakeadayoff,nothingwillhappenonthatday.

Notethatnooneelseknowswhatmandoes,orhowmandoesit.Notthatitmattersmuch,sincemancanonlywriteacouplelinesperdayduetoallthattimespentlisteningtootherpeopleandansweringquestions.

Damn,Idlooooovetofinddecentawayoutofit,helpmeplease

Tom


ReplyIguessMandoesntmindbeingthecenterofattentionbutwouldliketobeabletogetsomeworkdone?

Hecouldtakefourweeksoffduringabusyperiod,thencomebackandtryhttps://coderoom.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/3simplerulesthatwillmakeyouasuperstardeveloper/(butdonttellanyoneIsaidthat)

coderoom


Reply4weeksoffsuperstarcomebackyou,sir,arethedevilincarnate!

Tom


AfterspendingsometimeasVETERAN,IwentbacktoABSTRACTIONFREAKandbranchedtowardsmodelinginstead.

AMODELERisanABSTRACTIONFREAKinheaven!

modelpractice


Replyhellyeah,spoton.ivebeeninthefirstandsecondstages,andnowimattheveteranstage



althoughtheidontgiveafuckmayvaryfrompersontoperson.youveseenyourshareofemergencies,andthisstageisaboutgettingshitdoneandcoveringyourass.also,havingabitofknowledgeallowsyoutoslack2daysandworkoneonathreedaydeadline

oneguy


ReplyThisisfrighteninglygood.Iwouldliketoofferanewclassofprogramming

TheDelusionalAttentionDeficitProgrammer.DistinguishingCodefeature:Writesalotofnonreadablecodethatdoesalotstuff,butdoesntsolvetheactualproblem.Nocomments,thinksashe/shecodes.Noconceptofknowinghowtofocusonaspecifictaskatanyonetime.Constantlyflitteringbetweenminiprojects,leavingahalfdonesolutionthatarehardtopickup.

MistakenBelief:Thinksthattakingonafewproblemsatatimeisok.Falselybelievesthattheirapproachisagilinordertoquicklycodeanddesignontheflytogetresults.Butitsnot,justburyingthemselvesunderamountainofspagehtticodethatisunmaintainable.DoesntseethatitsreallythePITOOMAmethodology.(Pulleditoutofmya$$).

Mostendearingquality.Whinesaboutnothavingtimetotakeontasks,butistoobusyyabbering/procrastinatingtogetstuffdone.

Reads:whateveristhelatesttrick/techniqueindesign.

Mostlikelytosay:Imtoobusy,ImstretchedsooothinlyIdonthavetimetosleep.

Giulio


ReplyOhyeah,Gurureadsnews.ycombinatorandthenclickingonlinkstheregetstothissite;D

jakubmal


Reply[]fullpostonHackerNewsIfyouenjoyedthisarticle,pleaseconsidersharingit!Taggedwith:Incompetence[]

The5StagesofProgrammerIncompetence


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Imconvincedthereareonly5peoplewritingcodeintheworld.TherestofusGoogleandcopyandpastereallywell.

AndImchangingmynametoNils.

Sam


ReplyDefinitelynot.Somepeoplejustfallinlovewithcomputers,thenfalloutoflovewithcomputers&fallinlovewithsomethingelse.Atsomepointtheyfalloutoflovewiththesomethingelse&fallinlovewithcomputersoncemore,thentheyfalloutoflovewithcomputersonemoretime&discoverthatmachinesingeneralarenice&justletitbe.

ahse


ReplyOuch.Thetruthhurts,man.

Chris


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tokyohotelsonline


ReplyGoodOne

ittalentz


Replywonderful!sotrue!

HaroldShip


ReplyHaha,veryhumorous,Ilikeit.(:



fcukthat


ReplyThisishilariousbutverytrue.

SeifSallam


ReplyGreatarticle,funnybuttrue

JaneAdams


ReplyGreatpeiceofwriting.NotsurewhereIwouldsitastherearetimesabitofeachcomesintoplay.ButcertainlytheVerteranseemstofitthebestasthesucksinairhashappenedoftenbutIthinkthatismoreduetothefearthatmangementthinksitsahardtimelinenotablastedestimate.

KeithChadwick


ReplyThisissoFULLOFEPICWIN..IfiguredIwouldprobablybetheEnthusiasticNewbie,butafterreadingIfoundoutthatIwasacrossbetweenaVeteranandaGuru*COMMENTSANDFREEDOM!!*eventhoughIhaveZEROprogrammingexperienceinanactualjob.IwentO:O:O:

Butyeah,funnyentry..anditsprettyrealisticineveryway.YoudeservetheBadgeofEPICWIN.x3

MarxTaich0u


ReplyHahaGoodread!!

Anne


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Veteran.

Mystuffships.Mystuffworks.Mycontractskeepgettingextended.

Javarocks!

Greatpost.Gonnaputitinthehallatwork.

JohnBannick



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Replygetoveryourselves

smileylizard


Replyoutofscopeofthepost:WhyabstractusersandprogrammersinEnglishtextsmentionedasshepredominantly?Isitasomekindofcourtesy?Because,ifwespeakaboutprogrammersoutthere,20to1isagoodaproximationofsexproportioninourprofession(whateverthereasonforthat),andinsteadofpoliticalcorrectequalizationofsexes,usageofshejustaccentsthatdisproportioninastrangeway,no?

Iwasunabletofindanyethymologyofsuchatradition,butmaybeyouknow,why?

codesnik


ReplyIthinkitmightbepartofsomeunspokenefforttohelpchangethatpredominanceinsomesmallway.Theresnophysiologicalreasontheratioshouldbesohigh,whichmeanstheprofessionismissingoutonalmost50%ofthepotentialvanRossums,Knuthsand,yes,SpolskysandGrahams.



Therearebetterwaysthanoccasionallyusingthepronounsheaswellashe,buthey,notalltechnicalwritersarepoliticalactivistsorrevolutionaries.

Personally,Ithrowitinthereforabitofvariety;Imsurpriseditbotheredsuchahighpercentageofyou,dearreaders.

coderoom


ReplyAsafemaleprogrammer,Iagreewithcodenik.Itsniceforusgirlstobeincluded,butIfeelitsOKtotreatthenounprogrammerwiththemalegender.

Sam


ReplyTheenlightenedone.thedayhegotinterestedinprogrammingandreadabook,herealizedhealreadyknewhowtoprogram,andquicklyputthebookaway.theonlyusehehasformanfilesistogetthecorrectargumentlistthatthepreviousenlightenedonecreated.thereisnocode,onlylanguage.

distinguishingcodefeatures:simple,elegant,easytoread.maybeabitcomplicatedforothers,butwithalittleinvestmentmostcanfigureitout.mistakenbelief:programmingiseasy,everyprogrammerislikehimself.mostendearingquality:thelittleeyebrowraisewhenanotherprogrammersays~itcantbedonereads:anythingnotrelatedtoprogramming.historyofrussia?thatsoundsinteresting.mostlikelytosay:Yes,itsfinished.

Boppity


ReplyThiswouldbeanicestageofprogrammingcompetence SadlyIcouldnthonestlyclaimtohaveeverreachedorevenseenit!

coderoom


ReplyThedescriptionforTheEnlightenedOnesoundsverymuchlikewhattheBuddingGeniuswouldsayifyouaskhimtodescribehimself.



lincolnboulevard


ReplyIagreewithcodenik

Sidra


Replyitwasntarant.Itwasjustaquestion.Iveseenusageofshepronounintechdocsmanytimesbefore,Ijustwanttoknow,whyandwhenitstarted.

and,damn,itscodeSnik!

codesnik


Reply[]camealongapostdescribingfivestagesofprogrammerincompetence.Ihighlyrecommendyoutogoreadthearticleandseeifyouidentifyyourselfwithanyofthesetongueinthecheek[]

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ReplyAgoodreadwithsomegoodcomments.Iaddedyourbloginmybookmarks.

John


ReplySpoton!AndIlikedtheonecommentallinoneday!greatobservations.

DeciduousTree


ReplyIhadtocheckallboxes!!Gotthefeelingthatsomehow,atsometime,Iwenttroughallstages.Nevernamedclasseswithmyinitialthough(dotheyexist??).



Fortherestyesyourhonor,IconfessIf,andafterhavereadthis,Iwouldstilldaretomakeanykindofselfevaluationonmycompetences,asixthstagewouldsurelyworthtobementioned:theprocrastinatortype.

Greatarticle.Greetings

flashopen


ReplyThisisfunnyIthinkIdontanylanguagebutbriefly20yearsagoworkedwithFocusandwasprettyproudofmyself.NowIjustdependonyoufolks..thankfully.

bzirkrants


ReplyImeant,ofcourse,Idontknowanylanguages

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ReplyGreatArticle!Lovedeverybitofit

AtulKash


Replyuhaehuaeeayes,ihavefoundmyselfinallstagesbesidesthegurustagehahahaitisinteresting,idevelopmyownapplicationhttp://www.archiveclipboard.com/itisnotmorethanthebestClipboardtoolihavefound,believeme,itriedtousetheavailabletools,allofthemsuckanywaymyprojectsonlyhavegetoutofmyIDEtootherscomputersafteralmostwoyears,andnowitishappy,imhappy,peopleusingitarehappey,sincejan07,ihaveownedmorethan4kusers,itiscoolisnt??checkoutsoftpedia!softoxi!googleit=D



thisprojectshasfacedsomestagesheredescribed,untiligetmatureenoughtomakethisshitwork!huahahaha

hopeyouenjoy!

RafaelKarst


ReplyGladyouenjoyeditandgoodluckwithArchiveClipboard!Yes,gettingthefirstusersisreallyexciting!Ihopeyoumeanownedasinhaveandnotasinwitharootkit

YoudgetevenmoreusersifyouaddedtwoorthreescreenshotstoyourhomepagetellingalittlestoryaboutwhatArchiveClipboarddoesandwhythatsawesome.Asinglesentencedescribingwhyavisitorshouldcare,inanicebigfont,andanicebigdownloadbuttonwouldhelp,too.Quotesfromhappyusers,too!

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Replyyoudamnrightcoderoom,imlasyaboutthesite,basiclythemassivedownloadscomefromreviewsiteslike,softpediaredirectsandothersreviewersiguessimgoingtodosomethingthanksfortheadvice!

RafaelKarst


Iamattheveteranlevelandamshowingpromiseofgraduatingtothegurulevelverysoon

Verynicelyput.Andyes,Ithinkeveryonegoesthroughthesamecycle.YouforgotthelastphasethoughTheLead/Manager Ithinkyouhaveyettoreachthere,elseitwouldhavebeeninthelist!

Anonymous[Iamstillemployed:)]


ReplyHmmmmAveryinterestingwaytolookathowonematuresasapragmaticprogrammer.

AchallengetotheprogrammerinU

TheMYSTERYSPIRAL



http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/themysteryspiral/

canUcodeit??

cvs268


ReplyWhatsthemystery?Thealgorithmisclear:makeanNxNarray,startinthetopleft,windintothemiddledecrementingasyougo,printsaidarray.

coderoom


ReplyImatthemadmanstageforwhichyoukindlyleftoutanoption.Iseeprogrammingpatternsintheworldaroundus,insocialnetworks,andIseenaturalpatternsinprograms.

Juststartedlearningwebprogramminglanguagesinthesecondhalfoflastyear.Fromastrictdietofcfor13yearshittingthewallofacoupledozenlanguagesanddatabasesformatsatoncewasprettyradical.Ivejuststartedtogetcomfortablewithrubyonrails,andJavaScript.ImstillnotproficientbutIvelearnedenoughabouthowinformationflowsthroughrailsstructurestobecapableofbreakingourwebapp.Meandabettersuitedrailshackerareworkingonasocialreader/filterthatjustdoveintothedeepend(web)fromTwitterville.

MarkEssel


ReplyTheonlythingthatIwouldaddisthateveryBuddingGeniuswouldcategorizethemselvesasaGuruhavingmagicallyskippedtheVeteranstage.

Marshall


ReplyFirstupkudosforallowmetobeashe.WhenItweet/replyonforums,theassumptionthatImusthaveaychromosomeisprettymuchuniversal.Makesmerealisewhybitchwhocodeschosethatname

ImcringingatthewayIbehavedinstage2IrememberoncetellinganHTMLdevthatallsiteswouldbebuiltinflashoneday.ButasanewbieIsuregotalotdonebuiltsomeproperappsinAS1thattookforevertodebugbutwouldneverhavebeenattemptedbythestage3



me

CurrentlyImeasingintoVeteranmode.ThemoreItestthemoreIrealisehowfundamentallystupidIamthereisnolimittothesimplicityofthecodeIcanscrewup.TDDiscurrentlymysafetynetitsnotthatitsbetterfortheclient,itjustthatitsbetterformybrain.

Whatyourereallytalkingaboutthoughisthecyclefromunconsciousincompetence,throughconsciousincompetence,consciouscompetence,unconsciouscompetenceandallthewaybackaroundtobeginagain.Thegreatthingaboutthisindustryisthattheresonlythejourneythedestinationisonamovingplatform

Stray


ReplyYourewelcometheunconsciousincompetence=>unconsciouscompetencecycleisaninterestingwayoflookingatit,althoughinmyexperiencedespitebeingmuchmorecompetentthananewbie,theairquotedguruisstillalotlessenlightenedthanshelikestothinkmaybeitsaspiralofincompetence?

coderoom


ReplyAhyesthatsexactlywhatImeantbyandallthewaybackaroundtobeginagain.

Theresnostayingstillifyourenotlearningthenyouresimplyslidingbackwardswithyoureyesclosedbutchargingmoreperhourforeachcycleyouvecompleted!

Stray


InterestinglyIhaveseenthatsheistheprevalentterminprogrammingliterature(forbothusersanddevelopers)atleastliteraturewrittenbybetterprogrammers/writers(havealookatMSDNmagazinetoseewhatImean).

JonathanDickinson


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ReplyQuiteinteresting,butIwouldntclassifyadynamiclanguageasmostdefinitelythetoolofchoicefortheGuru.

Shewouldratherusethecorrecttoolforthejob.

Writingasocketserverthatcanhandle100softhousandsofconnectionsuseastaticallytypedlanguage.Maybeevenwhatcouldbearguedastoomuchproceduralcode.

Writingadesktopclientfortwitter?Agarbagecollecteddynamiclanguagewouldbebest.HeavyOOPorfunctionalstyledependingonwhatisbeingaccomplished.

Theinternetisjustcurrentlygoingthroughadynamiclanguageforeverythingfad,theoldtools(OOPandstaticlanguage)stillworkjustaswell.

IworkwithoneofthesepeoplethetypeofpersonwhohasgonefarpastGuru(IwouldhappilyadmitthatIamstucksomewhereinbetweenAbstractionFreakandVeteran ).

JonathanDickinson


ReplyHaveyoumissedthesignificanceoftheairquotesaroundguru?Atrueguruwouldusewhateverworks,butthehyperfashionableguruismostdefinitelyadynamictypingconvert.Shethinksshesatrueguruandhastheanswertotheworldsprogramming,butsheisntandhasntnotyet,anyway.

coderoom


ReplyIguessIdid .

JonathanDickinson


BTW,quiteimpressedonhowmanycommentsyourespondto.Youdontseethatkindoffollowthroughonblogsthesedays.

JonathanDickinson


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coderoom




Thanksfortheexcellentpost.Itgavemeafewchuckles.Ifeltalittlecompelledtorespond,althoughIamnotsurewhy.Ithinkthemostimportantthingisrecognizingtheselevelsandhavingthehumilitytoacknowledgethatyoutravelinandoutofeachdependingonmultiplefactorsnotjustlengthoftimeintheprofession.

IvebeenprogrammingsinceIwas8,andworkingprofessionallyfor15years.Ihaveexperiencedeachlevel,butshyawayfromusingthetermguru.Tomeitsuggestsreachingsomeplateauofknowledge,andthenegativeconnotationofanegotogowithit.

Inreality,guruisfairlyaccurateforitsreferencetoattainmentofknowledgeandteachingothersbothkeysforprogrammingsuccessandlongevity.

Constant,rapidchangeisaforcetoreckonwithinthisindustryandmakesusallnewbiesatsomelevel,somemoreenthusiasticthanothers.Keepyoureyesopenandmouthshut,learnfromandteachthosearoundyou,usethemostappropriatetoolforthejob,andyouwillbehappyandsuccessful.

Nathan


Reply^lol@thepeoplewhowrotecommentstoassertthemselves.

goodreadthough,gavemeafewlaughswiththeguys,itwouldbefunnyifsomeoneprofiledmanagementstylesfromdeveloperperspective.

Dznuts


ReplyAfterguru,youmightconsideredascendedmode,takendirectlyfromtheStargateseries.(AlsocalledDanielJacksonmode.)Ascendedprogrammersappearatoddmoments,smileknowingly,givehintsandthentellyoutheycanttellyoutheanswerbecausethenyouwouldntlearnthetruthofyourwork.

Thesepeoplecancausedincredibleofficerage.

Gene


Reply

ImindbequalifiedasGuru,butIpreferstaticallytypedlanguages,Haskellforinstance.



ImindbequalifiedasGuru,butIpreferstaticallytypedlanguages,Haskellforinstance.ProbablyImlazyveterantocarefultousedynamiclanguagesandlazytoputassertionsbyhand.

suigintou


ReplySpoton

AndImamazedathowseriouslysomepeopletakethisposttheressomecommentsonherethatIsweartheydidnthaveanysenseofhumoraboutthemselves/usingeneral.

MeImdefinitelyaguru!!lol

Ric


ReplyNotaprogrammermyselfbutdogettositdownandspeakwiththemoften.AmazinghowwellyourcategoriesgenerallyfitthoseIvehadthechancetomeet.

Funread.

mattpagemgisinc


ReplyWellthisisquitecondescendingIthinkyoushouldnotcategorizewhatshouldnotbe.

Someprogrammersoutthere(asinotherjobs)arejusthumbleandtrytolearnandpractice,gettingbettereveryday.AndImproudofbeing(oratleasttryingtobe)oneofthem.

Ihaveneverbeenthroughoneofthesestages(exceptmaybethenewbie,butonlyfortheEnthusiasticpart).

Idontknowwhereyouwork,butifitisyourpointofviewforthisjob,Isurelydontwanttoworkthere

kronos85


Reply

Ireallyenjoyedthewhole.Thetext,thecomments



Ireallyenjoyedthewhole.Thetext,thecommentsAndwhatIfeeltobeveryimportantisactuallythatYourarticleandthismarvelousdiscussionareTEACHINGallofusofourindividualandcollectivemistakes.Justrecognisingyourselfinanyofthestagesisaneyeopeningexperience!!!

Imyselfprogramcomputersfor36years,so,fromthatpointofviewIamaveteran(IevenprogrammedtheLGP21,thelittlebrotherofLGP30!seeMELsstory),andyes,probably,inmyownidiom,passedmanyofthementionedstages.

However,itisalwayswisetobehumble.Itiseasieronyourself,andontheothers.

Zork


ReplyIwasonceworkingforacompanywhichwasFULLYintotheTheAbstractionFreakstage.Theyneverfinishedtheproject,thecompanygotbust,theinvestorslostmoney,IlostsomeearnedincomeandthejobHowever,Istill,20yearslater,haveaveryexpensiverobotmotorandencodertheywantedtotrowawaywiththerestofgarbish

Zork


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ReplySincewhenJavascriptandPHPareprogramminglanguages?

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ReplyAmazingpost!IwouldliketothinkIampastthenewbiephasebuteverynewbugsometimesmakesmescaredwhatifitallcomescrumblingdown?Butthenanewissuealsobringsupnewsolutions,newideasandnewthingslearnt.Iguessthephasesarentseparatedbywallsofstoneafterall.



Imgoingtobookmarkthisandcomebacktocheck

Debby


ReplyILOLdatHisauraofmeasured,unflappablecalmthatmakesitclearthateventhedirestemergencywontmakehimworkanyfasterWow,thisisME!

zoxell


ReplyHavingreadallyourcomments,athoughtcomestomindProgrammersarethewindbeneathourwings.Sure,Iwantthebestvehicleonthemarket;butIjustwanttogetinit,driveit,andenjoyitwithouthavingtothinkaboutwhatallittooktobuilditthesamewaykidswanttoeattheirfavoritemealwithoutgivingthoughttowhatallwentintoitspreparation.SoIguessthismakesyalltheroadforourrubber?OrmasochisticperfectionistsoperatingonBloomssixlevelsallatonce,ifthatspossible?Octopusmodedoescometomind.Plus,yallsperceptionoftheworldissouniquethatyouuseyourownlanguagetocommunicate.Bottomline?Yourprogramminggeniusregardlessofthelevelyoureongivesmycreativityfreedomofexpression.Sothanks!

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Replynicesite..veryinteresting!!ineedupdatesfromyou.

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ReplyLovedreadingitman!Goodwriteindeed.Sonomatterwhatstageyoureat,youstillremainincompetentinsomewayorother,thatisthebeautyofitbeingincompetentandworkingtowardscompetenceandthenrealizinganotherlevelofincompetenceinthemidstoffreshlyachievedcompetence!Abstract..hmm!?

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June28,2010at5:09am

ReplyThatsagreatbreakdown.Iamjustanewbie.=)

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July29,2010at2:37pm

ReplyAccordingtoyourdivisions,Ibelongtotheveteranclassrightnow.Iwentthroughtheenthusiasticnewbieandabstractionfreak.

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July30,2010at8:39am


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ReplyWow!Realycool.ItmademeremembertheHowtokilladragonandsavethedamseltheprogrammersway.

Ifindthislinkwiththe(maybetheoriginalfromthebrazilianversionwastranslated)Englishversion:http://generalforums.com/t69877/

RCDMK


ReplyNicethanksforthelink!

coderoom

September21,2010at7:15am

ReplyYoualsoforgottheframeworkdude.

Distinguishingcodefeatures:Addslotsofframeworkstohis/herprojecttosolvesimpleproblems.Theprojectisoverloadedwithcoolopensourceprojectsdownloadedfromanopenrepositories.

Mistakenbelief:Youdonthavetospendyourtimecreatingownstuff;othersdidalreadycreatedthisandthosepeoplealwayscodebetter+moreoptimized.Hetriesthousandsofplugins,addonsandframeworks.Healsospendsextratimetofigureouthowtogetthemostoutoftheframework,evenifitisnotneededyet.Heneedtoreadthefulldocumentationbeforehecandecideiftheframeworkreallyfithisneeds.Afterhalfadaygoogling;hehasgotagreatnewframeworkwhichheprobablycoulduseinthefuturetoo,butforthenextprojectthereisanotherframeworkwaiting.

Mostlikelytosay:OhNoyoucreatethatcodeyourself?Everythingisalreadycreated.Theremustbeaframeworkforthat.Wait;letmeGooglethatforyou.

Mark




ReplyAworthyaddition

coderoom


ReplyIrecallanotheraspectoftheBuddingGeniusstage(solongago):enthusiasticallystartingandrunninglunchnlearngroupstotacklenewlanguagesandtoolswewerediscouragedfromusinginourlegacyshopsuntilwewereabruptlylaidoffforbeingoldlanguagecodersandreplacedwithanewgeneration.Alwaysaslowlearner,Ididthatthreetimesatthreedifferentcompanies!heeheegoodtimes

Greta


ReplyArgh!Hopeyouvefoundaclassplacetoworknow,atlast!

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January24,2011at3:58am

ReplyIdontthinkthatIpassedoneofthosestages.Coz,Ireallydontlikeprogrammingitsjustthat,Ireallyneedtoloveit,tochallengemyselfandtoprovethatIcanalsobeagoodprogrammeroneofthisdays.ImanOracleDeveloperbyprofessiontoday.Because,ProgrammingisaPRACTICE,notjustaJOBbadthing,theauthorofthatsayingisunknown.

faith

February25,2011at5:59am

ReplySotrue!Imonprogrammingforabout5years.HeadingtoVeteranaftergoingthroughnewbie,buddingandabstract



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July15,2011at4:21am

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Replyivebeeninthismesssince1989whatidliketoknowiswhendidyouhityourburnouts?

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ReplyIvebeenprogrammingforatouchover20years,professionallyformorethanadecade.Ihaventhitanyburnouts(yet!);Ithinkthatsaysmoreaboutmyemployerandenvironmentthanmepersonallythough.

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