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p.1 #1 Canon 17mm f/4L TS-E Custom Filter Adapter

I have been searching for a way to use my existing Lee holder (Lee Foundation kit) + Lee filterwanted to be able to use the same holder with all my other lenses.I know that shifting would be limited by this set-up (instead of the Colkin X-Pro) but it should nmovements. My idea was to use a spare lens cap glued to a 82mm WA Lee adapter.While browsing for a few ideas, I found a German site describing exactly what I wanted to do. Icustom adapter step-by-step. I will give it a try and report how functional this really is. Here is http://www.linsenschuss.de/index.php/blog/79-canon-ts-e-17mm-f4l-filterhalter

Here is Google Translate version of the article.

Fred

Canon 17mm f/4L TS-E Custom Filter Adapter - FM Forums http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1081875

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Edited on May 23, 2012 at 01:24 AM

Feb 01, 2012 at 05:31 PM

Mike KOffline Upload & Sell: Off


Fred Miranda wrote:Now I just need to figure out how to make the 17mm TSE work with my Lee filters...Isaw some folks using the lens cap + Cokin X-Pro but I really wanted to use my Lee filteron it. Perhaps if I use the lens cap and a 82mm WA Lee adapter, it will do the trick.

Fred,Limited success with this approach:http://ben-egbert.smugmug.com/Utility/17TSE-lens-hood-adaptor/15776282_tWQXNF#!i=1183734374&k=bY6fW

For CP use one could use the Lee 4x4" CP filter.It appears that limited horizontal shift with a vertically aligned filter (or viceversa) is limiting.

I too have seen a few other adaptations with cutting up an extra cap. Itsobvious that the reason there is no hood for this lens is that it would reallyhave to be huge to clear possible tilts and shift movements.Mike K


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Feb 03, 2012 at 02:37 AM

ZephOffline Upload & Sell: On


I'm very interested in seeing the outcome of this!

Feb 03, 2012 at 03:35 AM



Zeph wrote:I'm very interested in seeing the outcome of this!

I just started. I'm going to follow the process I posted on the link above. It has step-by-stepimages on how to create your own 17mm TSE Lee adapter.

Feb 03, 2012 at 07:20 PM

ZephOffline Upload & Sell: On


Fred Miranda wrote:I just started. I'm going to follow the process I posted on the link above. It has step-by-step images onhow to create your own 17mm TSE Lee adapter.

My daughter a linguist, can read German and I was going pass your link alongfor a translation. But I'd gladly wait for yours...

Feb 03, 2012 at 10:22 PM



The adapter is now ready. The entire process took about 1 hour.I didn't post pictures of the process since I followed the excellent step by step intructions with phttp://www.linsenschuss.de/index.php/blog/79-canon-ts-e-17mm-f4l-filterhalter

It fits and works perfectly. It actually looks like it was made by Canon. I used a spare 17mm f/4L lens cap and a Lee 82mm wide angle adapter.PS: I didn't have time to test how far we can go with shift or tilt. I will post this later. I can conlens without any movement.Here are some quick pictures:


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17mm TSE with 'custom adapter', lee holder and a neutral grad

Fred Miran


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Showing the filter set-up from above


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Showing the filter set-up from the front


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Showing how close the filter gets to the front element (about 1mm).

Feb 03, 2012 at 10:26 PM

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Excellent work Fred, thanks for the additional product shots. I've been leachingoff of my buddy's 17 TS-E, this will be really handy.

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How did you come across an extra cap on this lens? I presume you canpurchase it from B&H etc.?

edit: OK I see it. $34. Not bad at all. Considering Nikon's 14-24 zoom filter rigis like $300-400 from Lee and Fotodiox. Pretty cheap solution.

Feb 03, 2012 at 11:26 PM



jwin wrote:Excellent work Fred, thanks for the additional product shots. I've been leaching off of my buddy's 17 TS-E,

How did you come across an extra cap on this lens? I presume you can purchase it from B&H etc.?

edit: OK I see it. $34. Not bad at all. Considering Nikon's 14-24 zoom filter rig is like $300-400 from Lee and

Yes, it's about $35 for the cap and $60 for the 82mm Lee adapter. About $100 total.I have invested heavily on Lee filters and therefore this is my preferred set-up for the 17mm f/Colkin X-Pro for less shifting vignetting, but then you would still have to buy the spare cap and

Here are some additional pictures.


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Custom adapter on the lens

Fred Mirand


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Custom adapter off the lens

Feb 03, 2012 at 11:51 PM

AJSJonesOnline Upload & Sell: On


A quick look at the German text says you can shift only 4mm or so with thetwo-slot holder (as you both used) but tilt is mostly OK - a bit of vignetting atthe limit.

Feb 04, 2012 at 08:26 PM



AJSJones wrote:A quick look at the German text says you can shift only 4mm or so with the two-slotholder (as you both used) but tilt is mostly OK - a bit of vignetting at the limit.

Here are my findings:

Tilting with the 17mm f/4L and this custom Lee holder set-up is not a problem.You can tilt almost all the way as long as there is no shift. There is a tinyvignetting at the maximum tilt angle which I probably never use it.


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Shifting is pretty much handicapped though. With your camera in landscapeorientation, you can only shift about 2mm horizontally or 4mm vertically forzero vignetting. After that you get a little faint vignetting effect. Also, youcannot tilt the holder diagonally either. So your filters must be vertically orhorizontally.

I only used 2 slots on the Lee holder and followed the German site exactly. I'mstill happy with the custom adapter because I will be able to share all my Leefilters with all my lenses using the same holder. The drawback is limitedshifting with the 17mm f/4L.

Next I will try having only 1 slot and the 105mm filter adapter in the front (fora 105mm polarizer filter). I want to see if this creates vignetting @17mm.There are only one slim 105mm polarizer but it's really expensive +$400(Heliopan). I will try using the B+W 105mm Kaeseman Circular Polarizing filterand see what happens. (about $200)

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Fred Miranda wrote:Next I will try having only 1 slot and the 105mm filter adapter in the front (for a 105mmpolarizer filter). I want to see if this creates vignetting @17mm. There are only one slim105mm polarizer but it's really expensive +$400 (Heliopan). I will try using the B+W105mm Kaeseman Circular Polarizing filter and see what happens. (about $200)

Another, less expensive route, would be to use the Lee square CP. While yourset up is constrained to vertical or horizontal already, the CP will either bevertically or horizontally constrained as well as you can only rotate it 90 deg.and reinsert it. Even with this limitation of potential sub optimal orientation, itdoes seem to work quite well and users are quite happy with its performance.discussion and examples in this long thread

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Feb 05, 2012 at 03:38 AM

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Fred thanks for the post. I've been looking for front filter solution for the tse fora very long time.

Feb 05, 2012 at 05:52 AM

Yakim PeledOffline Upload & Sell: On


Fred Miranda wrote:Shifting is pretty much handicapped though. With your camera in landscape orientation,you can only shift about 2mm horizontally or 4mm vertically for zero vignetting. Afterthat you get a little faint vignetting effect.

How faint? Examples will be appreciated.

Happy shooting,Yakim.

Feb 05, 2012 at 09:21 AM



Update:I shaved the edges of the Lee FK holder (It now looks more rounded). Now Idon't get any vignetting when turning the holder. I also got a couple moremm free vignetting when shifting. I'm using the same custom holder with allmy other landscape lenses (24TSEII and 90TSE)Fred

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Feb 10, 2012 at 09:34 PM

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Did you use the 82mm regular holder or the 82mm WA (or slim) holder?

Feb 10, 2012 at 09:47 PM

Fr3dOffline Upload & Sell: Off


Maybe a stupid question, but if you cannot shift properly the lens can basicallyonly be used like a regular 17mmlens right? If so, would it not be more practical to use a WA prime/zoom with a


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standard filter adapter instead?

Feb 11, 2012 at 01:13 AM



thedigitalbean wrote:Did you use the 82mm regular holder or the 82mm WA (or slim) holder?

It must be the Lee 82mm Wide Angle adapter.

Feb 11, 2012 at 04:05 AM



Fr3d wrote:Maybe a stupid question, but if you cannot shift properly the lens can basically only beused like a regular 17mmlens right? If so, would it not be more practical to use a WA prime/zoom with a standardfilter adapter instead?

You can still "tilt" it without any restrictions. The 17mm is the best Canon hasto offer at this range and therefore it's nice to have the option to use a ND/GND/Polarizer when needed. I don't see myself using it that much.Just remember you won't be able to shift much using this adapter. You could gowith the Colkin X-Pro instead for more shifting (up to 7mm I believe) but thenyou would need an entirely different and expensive filter system only for your17TSE.Fred

Feb 11, 2012 at 04:12 AM

Roland WOffline Upload & Sell: On


The interior hole in the Lee 82mm Wide Angle adapter is the big limiting factorfor the approach described in this thread. It has an interior hole size of about79 mm, and is limited to not being larger because it must provide exteriorthreads to fit into the inside of 82 mm lens threads. If the interior metal couldbe removed by machining the 82 mm Wide Angle adapter, the hole could beenlarged, but not by a lot, because the actual Lee filter holder mounting flangeis about 89 mm, so you would need to leave a hole of about 88 mm. That is animprovement, but it would require special machining that is not easy.

But the Lee 82mm Wide Angle adapter is actually made from two metal parts,which look like they have been screwed together with thread lock or epoxy tohold them in place. If you could remove the inner metal part that provides the82mm threads, it would open up the adapter to a hole size of about 86 mm.One possible way to do a removal is to use a small grinding tool and carefullyremove one portion of the inner ring. If you can get one short portion removed,the rest may come out easily by prying, because of the gap you have made inthe ring. This is similar to cutting the metal of a stuck filter to get theremaining ring out of the lens. In this case, it does not matter if you slightlydamage the threads on the outer part, because you are not using them for thisproject. If cutting one short section out does not work, you can cut out a secondsection opposite from the first, and then the two parts should be much easier toremove. I must warn that I have not yet tried this, but it looks very practical tome. It is also a much easier do it your self project than machining.


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You might think that other Lee adapters that fit larger thread sizes would havelarger holes, but they are all limited by what hole you can fit through thestandard Lee flange, so you get no more. As an example, the Lee 105mm lensadapter has an interior hole of about 79 mm, so that is actually slightly worsethan the 82mm Wide Angle adapter. But if anyone were to consider machiningan adapter to enlarge the hole, I would suggest you consider starting with the105mm adapter, because it has much more metal in the outer part of the ring,which will make it much easier to hold in lathe jaws for machining out theinside. It does have a larger outer diameter, but that could be machined downto just the right outer size to fit the lens cap interface after the insidemachining was done. Or you could leave the outer 105mm threads on theadapter, and glue the right step up ring to the lens cap to go from its size up tothe 105mm threads.

So the extra 7 mm or 9mm of hole size would help. To get more, you need togo away from the Lee system for providing attachment and rotation. Thecombination of the Lee adapter with flange and the clip on Lee filter holder iswhat provides the rotational adjustment for the filters. And that rotation iseven more important on a Canon TS-E lens, because the whole lens rotates onthe camera to align the tilt and shift axis. One thought I have had in the past toprovide rotation is to get a cheap 105mm polarizer, and remove the glass fromit, and use it as the part that can rotate. That could give an interior hole ofabout 100 mm, which would likely be plenty for much larger shift amounts. Butyou then still need to attach the rotation part to the lens cap. A step up ringfrom a smaller size up to 105 mm may work to act as a part that could be gluedto the lens cap part. Because the glue on location is further back, is can have asmaller inside diameter. The lens cap plastic is about 88 mm inside diameter, sotrimming it back as far as possible before increasing the diameter beyond thatwould be the goal.

For using a 105mm polarizer metal for rotation, you still need to attach thefilters to the front of it. The plastic of a Lee holder is one possibility, and itcould be glued on to the front of the rotation metal. The hole inside the Leeholder has a diameter of about 96mm if the small fitting tabs were removed bygrinding or filing. You could also enlarge the inside by making the hole moresquare rather than round, with the sides of the hole parallel to the filter holderslot fittings. The removed corners would often be in alignment with the cornersof the rectangular image frame for the common use of the graduated neutraldensity filter alignment near to parallel to the horizon.

Another possible approach to attaching the filter holding slots is to use adifferent piece of plastic or metal, and attach it to the rotation metal. You wouldthen attach the Lee filter holder edge guides to that alternate material usingscrews. You could potentially make something that has a square hole that is afull 100 mm or so, and would match the limitation of the 100 mm filters youare using. And if you really want to get carried away, you could design it towork with the even larger filters that the special Lee system uses for the Nikonwide angle zoom lens, but that means new expensive hard to get filters.

Getting the filter slots as close to the front element as possible without dangerof touching is very important to provide the least potential of interfering withthe image edges. So pay attention to any build up of an adapter system and tryto achieve that goal. And if you do something with an enlarged center hole, youmay now need to worry about a second filter that is further forward, and couldbecome limiting. Consider only installing one filter slot on the front, rather thantwo or more. Lee has shorter screws available that can be used for thatpurpose.

Feb 11, 2012 at 06:47 PM

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Fred Miranda wrote:You can still "tilt" it without any restrictions. The 17mm is the best Canon has to offer atthis range and therefore it's nice to have the option to use a ND/GND/Polarizer whenneeded. I don't see myself using it that much.Just remember you won't be able to shift much using this adapter. You could go with theColkin X-Pro instead for more shifting (up to 7mm I believe) but then you would need anentirely different and expensive filter system only for your 17TSE.Fred

I feel this is not the right approach. The 17/4 is a very expensive lens and avery unique one. Modifying it to enhance its capabilities (accepting filters) butOTOH limiting its native abilities is not the path I'd choose. If there is anothersolution which has fewer limitations I'd go for it even if it is a more expensiveone.

Unless of course, that limitation (shift in this case) does not bother you as younever reach it.

Happy shooting,Yakim.

Feb 11, 2012 at 07:59 PM

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