2011.05.16 what mathematical skills are important for high schoolers to graduate with (follow up)

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Monday, 16th May 2011

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@republicofmath WhooMon May 16 19:31:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs interesting chatwho said like 2 use lots skills 2 soMon May 16 19:31:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham For nequite fast sometimes.... don't forgMon May 16 19:31:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath @Coliup #mathchatMon May 16 19:32:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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minutes or so! #mathchatMon May 16 19:32:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @repuMon May 16 19:32:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@davidwees @republicoMon May 16 19:33:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Today'sgraduating with?" #mathchatMon May 16 19:33:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath But yowarmer #mathchatMon May 16 19:33:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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math Yes definitely! #mathchat70210220906909696 - #12

topic is: "What mathematical skills shou

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got better cheese! @ColinTGraham Ol

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@republicofmath Ah, wh@davidwees #mathchatMon May 16 19:34:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath I think@JohnAllenPaulos books is criticMon May 16 19:35:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge RT @lines of @JohnAllenPaulos booksMon May 16 19:35:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham So, asialgebra... :-/ what other maths skil

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@davidwees RT @repub@JohnAllenPaulos books is criticMon May 16 19:36:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc#mathchat QuMon May 16 19:37:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @repuinterpretation of numerical data,Mon May 16 19:37:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Topic rgraduating with?" #mathchatMon May 16 19:37:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs Mrs Utopia speMaths isn't just utility subject butMon May 16 19:37:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@PeacockMaths#mathcMon May 16 19:38:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@pavkahu RT @colintgrof you have been getting warmedMon May 16 19:38:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@pavkahu RT @colintgrschoolers be graduating with?" #Mon May 16 19:38:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id


ew! I get uneasy when I appear to be dis

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umeracy as a BS detector, along the linl to one and all. #mathchat70210723594240000 - #17

republicofmath: I think numeracy as a Bis critical to one and all. #mathchat

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e from President Obama telling everyonls should all HS grads have? #mathchat

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licofmath: I think numeracy as a BS detel to one and all. #mathchat

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antitative literacy.70211171642376192 - #21

licofmath That could be translated as nuaybe? #mathchat

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minder: "What mathematical skills shoul

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@republicofmath @Colicalculator. But quantitative reasonMon May 16 19:39:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @Janswhat maths skills seem to be neeMon May 16 19:39:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc#mathchat I'dProcess Standards.Mon May 16 19:39:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Mstew15 Super basic,but how many adults (politicians?)

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@reflectivemaths#mathbillion is'Mon May 16 19:40:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Yes, Iestimation, both numeric & geomMon May 16 19:40:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @ColinTGrahathey should be able to solve probMon May 16 19:40:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @Peacwithin the same order of magnitudMon May 16 19:40:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath After q

in problem solving #mathchatMon May 16 19:41:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mthornton78 @ColinTMon May 16 19:42:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath @Jansof problems. To whom, if anyone,Mon May 16 19:42:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Basic aMon May 16 19:43:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id


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also want learners to be fluent in skills a

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ut the ability to balance a checkbook-nocan't do it? #mathchat

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hat Definitely the ability to approximate.

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hink that's high on list @PeacockMathstric.

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@Mstew15 I totally agree,after problems that take more thaMon May 16 19:43:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@wilderlab Right on===would want to see persistence inMon May 16 19:43:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@PeacockMaths @Colina reasonable accuracy.Mon May 16 19:43:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Do all p@mthornton78: @ColinTGraham

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@republicofmath With psteps, feeling empowered by sustMon May 16 19:44:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missin4md RT @reputhe great events and ideas of sociMon May 16 19:44:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@DoremiGirl Yes, pleasMon May 16 19:44:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @republicofmame real life context important #mMon May 16 19:44:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@jfontich RT @republicotaking small steps, feeling empowMon, 16 May 2011 19:44:42 +0000 - tweet id

@Janshs obs good lessolistening, team skills etc etc #matMon May 16 19:45:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc @republicofmproblems and looking for patterns.Mon May 16 19:45:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath @ColiPhD in #math & use phone to calMon May 16 19:45:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id


, @republicofmath with persistence. Stua few secs.#mathchat

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@republicofmath: After quantitative rearoblem solving #mathchat70212768082575360 - #43

TGraham #mathchat - OK, I'll take that.I'

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roblems need mathematical skills to solvproblem solving should be high on list #

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oblem solving should come the skill of oined reasoning. #mathchat

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@ColinTGraham I'd secoReading price labels in supermarMon May 16 19:45:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Not imchat w/ Y8 stdt today who told meMon May 16 19:46:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc#mathchat I wsense?"Mon May 16 19:47:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @republicofmaa stdt able to articulate their prefe

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@Mstew15 @republicofmto student in its importance and reMon May 16 19:47:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Peoplein my recent experience is basicMon May 16 19:48:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@bucharesttutor Goodyou as had a very extensive dayMon May 16 19:48:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham What aprogress further? eg Run a businMon May 16 19:48:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mthornton78 @ColinT

mathematical skill #mathchatMon May 16 19:48:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Yes!answer, "Does that make sense?"Mon May 16 19:48:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs none of you lotGCSE or Graded Assessment inMon May 16 19:49:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mthornton78 @ColinTMon May 16 19:49:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id


nd @Mstew15's point about basic financets to check for bargains... #mathchat

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ortant for everyone at all times @Janshreal life context important #mathchat70213599615926273 - #55

ant learners to be able to ask and answe

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say geometry is useless, algebra is uselrithmetic #mathchat70214054211371010 - #59

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out the skills you need within your chosss= handle money, etc. #mathchat

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raham no they do not but reasoning is

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@icecolbeveridge Studeusing rote techniques with no accMon May 16 19:49:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @repusomething about patterns and geMon May 16 19:49:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Only bUseful things like that. #mathchatMon May 16 19:50:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @mthomathematical approach might wor

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@icecolbeveridge#mathbelieving it to be irrelevant.Mon May 16 19:50:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc @ColinTGrah@SirKenRobinson) - we need toMon May 16 19:50:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath @ColiMon May 16 19:51:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Especilearners to be able to ask and ansMon May 16 19:51:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@theotheralig @JanshsMon May 16 19:51:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders A senserather than just accepting it as corMon May 16 19:52:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Ha, hahave ability to sit in silent room &Mon May 16 19:52:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @theotheraligMon May 16 19:52:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id


nts should have ability to sit in silent rooss to ref materials. #mathchat

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licofmath If you do patchwork quilting, I'lmetry and tessellation though... #mathc70214408198037504 - #67

sic arithmetic fact I recall easily is 13X1

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nton78 So we could say: Looking at prok... #mathchat

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chat They should also forget it all immed

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am but we don't know what those skills ampower them to learn what they need l

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lly when number is involved! @delta_dcwer, "Does that make sense?"70214783919587328 - #73

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@Mstew15 I think reasonup on the calculator--do you knowMon May 16 19:52:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc @ColinTGrahMon May 16 19:52:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Yes, thi@mthornton78: place value is cruMon May 16 19:52:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @Mstew15 @rthe abstract - & that's what we neMon May 16 19:53:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @icecothey do need to know *when* to siMon May 16 19:53:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath High ocalculation is reasonable rather thMon May 16 19:53:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @ColiMon May 16 19:54:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc @Janshs @mhelps learners explore the abstracMon May 16 19:54:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mathhombre RT @repable to ask and answer, "Does thMon May 16 19:54:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs I do wonder if aimportant#mathchatMon May 16 19:54:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath @Coliironic" #mathchatMon May 16 19:54:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge#mathproblems with each other and reaMon May 16 19:55:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id


ability is much more important than facts.if it's right? #mathchat

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am also spatial reasoning #mathchat70215045937766400 - #79

s ties in to orders of magnitude and estiial #mathchat

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publicofmath @davidwees yes of coursd to encourage for some #mathchat

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lbeveridge You are just being deliberatelt in a silent room.... etc. #mathchat70215323495825409 - #82

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nTGraham Me? *innocent look* #mathc70215524457512961 - #84

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blicofmath: Yes! @delta_dc #mathchatt make sense?"

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bility to use fractions rather than decimal

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@chris_1974 Yes to thisdecimals is quite important #mathMon May 16 19:55:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @deltadevolve to 'subject' teachers to imMon May 16 19:55:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Mstew15 Oh, a basic uthem...that would be lovely. #matMon May 16 19:56:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc @Janshs I likcomputation. #mathchat

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@republicofmath In theneed algebra to learn to think on tMon May 16 19:56:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @icecolbeveridmixture of teamwork and workingMon May 16 19:56:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @Jansschool... ;-) #mathchatMon May 16 19:56:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge#mathabout fractions? Most can surviveMon May 16 19:57:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@Janshs @chris_1974 itimportant for Ks1-3? #mathchat (fMon May 16 19:57:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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derstanding of fractions...my dream. Tochat

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fractions as a vehicle to extend underst

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chat But is it really true that EVERY HSperfectly well using decimals.

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@icecolbeveridge @Janvocab/concepts in conversation/pMon May 16 19:58:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @icecolbeverida #concept tangent (sorry mixedMon May 16 19:59:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mathheadinc @dendarperson. I know he did everyone elMon May 16 19:59:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @Jans

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@Mstew15 @icecolbeverwould understand more of all matMon May 16 19:59:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MathforGrownups Notreally true that EVERY HS studenMon May 16 19:59:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath You orunderstanding of fractions...dreaMon May 16 20:00:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@chris_1974 @Janshs si4.14. Except in mechs. #mathchaMon May 16 20:00:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @reflectivemathe's 1/2 cut, 3/4 trousers ec :-) taMon May 16 20:00:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath i thinkto use fractions is bordering on usMon May 16 20:00:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @Mstdon't expect everyone to be able tMon May 16 20:01:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id


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@delta_dc#mathchat Nofractions to understand what it meMon May 16 20:01:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs def RT @ColinMon May 16 20:01:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath CouldnHall ... " without #fractions#mathcMon May 16 20:02:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @reflecdecimal/% equivalents are useful.Mon May 16 20:02:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Mstew15 @republicofmnot as a tchr, it would have madeMon May 16 20:02:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath OMG!funny!#mathchatMon May 16 20:03:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @ColinTGrahaMon May 16 20:03:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MathforGrownups Frathe kitchen and craft room , wherMon May 16 20:03:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@reflectivemaths @Jan*Now wonders if 3/4 length trouseMon May 16 20:03:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MrHonner I think studeconcept of expected value. #mathMon May 16 20:04:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath @jamBrocot tree. Colleagues kids 8 anMon May 16 20:04:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders A basic gbusinesses/ the media to misleadMon May 16 20:05:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id


t sure I want learners to understand fractans to do mathematics.70217306579542016 - #115

Graham connections between frcn/dec/70217397075845120 - #116

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ath Hahahaha!! Love it! If I could have lea big difference. #mathchat70217693311156224 - #119

nd then Peter Hall @maths_ast shows

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stanton has some lovely stuff on fraction11 love fraction division. #mathchat

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@MrHonner Helps to undoptions.#mathchatMon May 16 20:05:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs sorry not keepiMon May 16 20:05:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath @MatMon May 16 20:05:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@reflectivemaths @Matin the kitchen? #mathchatMon May 16 20:06:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Simple@missradders#mathchatMon May 16 20:06:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@Janshs @reflectivematto use fractions as aprt of numberMon May 16 20:06:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MrHonner @missraddeMathematician Reads the NewspMon May 16 20:07:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders @MrHonMon May 16 20:07:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Yes, @numeracy as a BS detector... #mMon May 16 20:07:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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erstand basic quantitative arguments an

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@MrHonner @ColinTGraenforced "Professional DevelopmMon May 16 20:09:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mathhombre#mathchrules starting from a context.Mon May 16 20:10:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@reflectivemaths#mathlot about what 'maths' isMon May 16 20:10:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@MathforGrownups @rReducing recipes requires reduciMon May 16 20:10:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@hartkp RT @republicofdeclared students need algebra tMon, 16 May 2011 20:10:52 +0000 - tweet id

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@missradders @MrHonlook forward to reading, Thx for reMon May 16 20:11:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@MathforGrownups @icmy 30s. And most everyone cook

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@davidwees @Janshsbring the math, the more relevantMon May 16 20:17:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @davidweespart of their own life or future life

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@republicofmath @icechandy dandy cell phone does it allMon May 16 20:17:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@SarahLKentner RT @dfractions as much as to use fractiMon May 16 20:17:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@mathhombre#mathchfraction intro. Dividing up sub sanMon May 16 20:18:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs @davidweeshold#mathchat ; also what aboutMon May 16 20:18:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@davidwees @republicophone is slow & speed is useful foMon May 16 20:18:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@MathforGrownups @rinto the hand dandy cell phone. #Mon May 16 20:19:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders @republiof accurate calc. Estimation is moMon May 16 20:19:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MrHonner @ColinTGracounterexamples? I think that's aMon May 16 20:19:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@reflectivemaths @matit's exactly fair. #mathchatMon May 16 20:21:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs#mathchat conf16xtable - still don't know, have diMon May 16 20:21:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders @icecolbcalculations are not necessary duMon May 16 20:22:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@republicofmath Shockiknowing 16 x table #mathchatMon May 16 20:23:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@reflectivemaths#maththat vital?Mon May 16 20:23:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @missrtechnology has given an accurateMon May 16 20:23:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@Mstew15 @reflectivemMon May 16 20:24:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath No basthem, why should kids? Use calcuMon May 16 20:24:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @misgood at. #mathchatMon May 16 20:24:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id


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@missradders @reflectithe distinction we need to make IMon May 16 20:25:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mathhombre re: needsoptions open. Know this is ~ "you'Mon May 16 20:25:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@reflectivemaths @Colievery number reported in the presMon May 16 20:25:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@republicofmath And jukids cell phones. @missradders #Mon May 16 20:30:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@delta_dc @reflectivemI view it more as process than proMon May 16 20:38:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @oldakmemory/driving lessons/etc. thouMon May 16 20:39:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id


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add to the list: "Being able to see the nuead, not the heart #mathchat

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Am thinking about how math influencesr - do I have time to cross? #mathchat

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ths I felt he set up a "straw man" argumduct. #mathchat70226539828084736 - #281

@republicofmath How much of that coh? #mathchat

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@delta_dc @reflectivemhard question to answer: dependsMon May 16 20:39:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs so, efficient usdoes link back estimation & underMon May 16 20:39:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MrHonner @ColinTGraprobably using them correctly! #mMon May 16 20:39:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@CutTheKnotMath @respelling is corrected auto, mistypi

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@ColinTGraham @MrHopossible combinations and they cMon May 16 20:40:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@oldak @ColinTGrahamhelps process information, but itMon May 16 20:40:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham In mostare seen as necessary (mandatorMon May 16 20:41:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@kopsas @reflectivematis vital for individual students? ThMon May 16 20:41:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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@reflectivemaths @deltanswer: depends on context? #mMon May 16 20:42:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Underseems to be more important, IMOMon May 16 20:42:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@delta_dc Gotta run niceMon May 16 20:43:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id


aths: @delta_dc "Should I use calculatoron context? #mathchat < YES!

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nner @icecolbeveridge No, the Autospelose the wrong one, or 1st... #mathchat

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'ordinary' peoples' minds, eg parents!, sy) #mathchat70227440861065216 - #289

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@CutTheKnotMath @Mrbe available for typing numbers #Mon May 16 20:43:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @refleccalculator to do 12x14, is the ansMon May 16 20:43:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @Colirelevance in everyday life #mathcMon May 16 20:43:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@juliolemos RT @republmathematician, don't do them, wh

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@Janshs RT @republicocalculational skill, seems to be mMon May 16 20:44:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@reflectivemaths#mathMon May 16 20:44:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders @delta_din your head if you have calc. RedMon May 16 20:44:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@CutTheKnotMath @recalculational skill, ~but is there onMon May 16 20:44:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@tupinamba_RT @repumathematician, don't do them, whMon, 16 May 2011 20:44:46 +0000 - tweet id

@oldak @CutTheKnotM"boil the ham" -> different result #Mon May 16 20:44:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @mis#mathchatMon May 16 20:45:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @icecorelevance if their children are not lMon May 16 20:45:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id


Honner @ColinTGraham @icecolbeveriathchat

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nTGraham Quite often same people thatat

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icofmath: No basic calculations are necey should kids? Use calculator - on your p

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th @republicofmath Not necessarily diffathchat

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@republicofmath "Younhead." But can he think? Solve prMon May 16 20:45:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders Yes.RTimportant is if I use a calculator toMon May 16 20:45:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MathforGrownups RTtheir children are not learning theMon May 16 20:45:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mramidon @ColinTGrstudents? I think so... IMO #math

Mon May 16 20:45:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@missradders @icecolbMon May 16 20:46:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@CutTheKnotMath @olyes. Good example. #mathchatMon May 16 20:46:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @Colimaths to get better job, but want tMon May 16 20:46:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Think@CutTheKnotMath ...~but is therMon May 16 20:46:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@LaToniyaAJones RTspelling and 'doing sums' are seeMon May 16 20:46:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@CutTheKnotMath @re~It need not be either/or #mathchMon May 16 20:47:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @mraknowing basic arithmetic facts 'boMon May 16 20:47:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @misbut I appreciate it's a calligraphy tMon May 16 20:47:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id


Bertie's SO good at #maths. He can calblems? Communicate? #mathchat

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ColinTGraham: @reflectivemaths @deldo 12x14, is the answer correct? #math70228380624228352 - #308

Maybe those people are right to questiomaths skills #mathchat < YEP!70228481908293633 - #309

ham Is it because it was important whenhat

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veridge We'll agree to disagree! #mathc70228573545443328 - #311

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nTGraham My feeling is that parents wadiminish own shortcomings #mathchat

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o - calc skill (in a routine sense), but poone without the other? #mathchat

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ColinTGraham: In most 'ordinary' peoplas necessary (mandatory) #mathchat

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ublicofmath But can he think? Solve prot

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idon Not entirely, there is research evidosts' math skills later #mathchat70228916983431168 - #317

radders Hee! Personally, I like to do theing ;o) #mathchat

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@Mstew15 So with all thihow to find answers? #mathchatMon May 16 20:48:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@oldak @republicofmathDevelop sense of operation & givMon May 16 20:48:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MathforGrownups @anxiety and defeatism play a role.Mon May 16 20:49:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Of couarithmetic" @CutTheKnotMath It

Mon May 16 20:49:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mramidon @ColinTGrwhen a stus doesn't have the factMon May 16 20:49:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge RT @resourceful' and knowing how to fiMon May 16 20:49:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@CutTheKnotMath @resense. ~What do you mean? likeMon May 16 20:49:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @Mstefrom two or more different directioMon May 16 20:49:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Flocabulary For those

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@Flocabulary The skill toEquations quadratica ... #mathchMon May 16 20:50:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id

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stew15 I think it's as much a skill as a fr#mathchat

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rse. Was being sarcastic - re parents deeed not be either/or #mathchat

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ham Can't argu w/that. I C it in my class.is breaks the rhythm. #mathchat

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Mstew15: So with all this calculator talk,nd answers? #mathchat < YES. THIS.70229393049522176 - #324

ublicofmath calc skill (in a routine sense*56 = 20+6? #mathchat

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15 Yes and also being able to approacns... for confidence in ans. #mathchat70229441409851392 - #326

alking about calculator use on #mathch

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do math on a page Has declined to thet (1/2)

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@CutTheKnotMath @re~Sorry. I am not just fast enoughMon May 16 20:50:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @Flocdeal of mathematics still needs toMon May 16 20:52:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@MathforGrownups @Cunderstand that there is NOT onlyMon May 16 20:52:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath LOL! N

"maths") @CutTheKnotMath #maMon May 16 20:53:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge RT @only one method. #mathchat


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@republicofmath @Coliby & large think math on the pageMon May 16 20:54:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ccampbel14 @cherraolstudents could contribute opinionMon May 16 20:55:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath That'sbrain development http://goo.gl/sMon May 16 20:55:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge#mathExact method not so important, I

Mon May 16 20:56:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham Last 5what mathematical skills (all) HSMon May 16 20:56:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Flocabulary @republictheir place! #mathchat Was just sMon May 16 20:56:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Nothin#mathchatMaybe prime numbersMon May 16 20:57:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge#math[technique] to solve...' when anotMon May 16 20:57:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham I'd like

represented mathematically, somMon May 16 20:58:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@misterlamb RT @markneed algebra. President Obama sMon May 16 20:59:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmathMon May 16 20:59:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs I wonder if Matdeveloping metacognition via learMon May 16 20:59:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id


TGraham @Flocabulary I'm more with, not in my head. Others differ. #mathch70230729187000320 - #343

thof's lesson idea about unfortunate evehttp://goo.gl/Dppbz#mathchat70230805510766592 - #344

a very good point @oldak effect of learnilNF#mathchat70230946502279170 - #345

chat Important thing in most math reachiO.

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inutes... already! Any burning ideas or ctudents should graduate w/? #mathchat

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fmath @ColinTGGraham Yes, both apparing the first line of a limerick :)

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more "real world" than one's own brainstimulate synaptic connections?!! #ismat70231371175575552 - #349

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times (always!) #mathchat70231724092694528 - #351

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s has something that could be used acring journals #mathchat

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@ColinTGraham @icecoprocedure can be used... so longMon May 16 20:59:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@CutTheKnotMath @reof @JohnAllenPaulos books ~perMon May 16 21:00:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @Jansnext topic! #mathchatMon May 16 21:00:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@icecolbeveridge @Colithrough hoop like good dolphin. #

Mon May 16 21:00:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@republicofmath Yes, qmath #mathchatMon May 16 21:01:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@CutTheKnotMath @iceagree #mathchatMon May 16 21:02:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham OK, thacontributions... before we start intMon May 16 21:02:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@LogicalChoice RT @remental arithmetic on brain develoMon May 16 21:02:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@matthen2 @mathchat

the general theme of #mathchat aMon May 16 21:02:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @matt#mathchatMon May 16 21:03:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id


@ColinTGraham You'reMon May 16 21:04:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id


lbeveridge Valid as a way of diagnosings it's not prescriptive ;-) #mathchat

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ublicofmath I think numeracy as a BS daps also some rec math #mathchat70232258593824768 - #356

s Funny you should mention that, Jan, it

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nTGraham That's the thing - exam qs prathchat

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ite a lot of FUN! @CutTheKnotMath ~p

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colbeveridge Exact method not so impor

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t's it for this time round everyone. Thankoducing fun again... ;-P #mathchat70232665961402369 - #361

publicofmath: That's a very good pointment http://goo.gl/sZlNF#mathchat

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en2 We're just finishing Matt! Feel free t

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@ColinTGraham How havoice!http://bit.ly/ipPXVQMon May 16 21:05:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Flocabulary @ColinTGthe topic next week?Mon May 16 21:06:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham .@Flocshould a student maths journal loMon May 16 21:07:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@davidwees @ColinTGrbe useful wish I'd had colleagues

Mon May 16 21:12:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@davidwees @ColinTGrone using them. #mathchatMon May 16 21:13:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@ColinTGraham @davidDavid. Maybe talk about the pitfallMon May 16 21:13:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Flocabulary @davidweabout them! #mathchatMon May 16 21:14:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@Janshs RT @ColinTGrhttp://bit.ly/ipPXVQMon May 16 21:14:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@mathequality @davidw

I was the only one using them. #Mon May 16 21:15:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id

@davidwees @mathequjournals at the end of every mathMon May 16 21:16:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id

s #mathchat helped you? please add yo

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bulary Next week's #mathchat topic willk like?"

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ham @Flocabulary I used math journalto discuss them w/. #mathchat

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ham @Flocabulary Gave up because it

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wees Your input would be great on the ns too!70235551181180928 - #373

es @ColinTGraham Great, look forward

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ham: How has #mathchat helped you?

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