183- fluoride- the hidden cause of acne (& what to do ...obviously a very analytical and...

Copyright © 2018 Wellness Mama · All Rights Reserved

1

Episode183:Fluoride:TheHiddenCauseofAcne

(&WhattoDoAboutIt)


2

Child:WelcometomyMommy’spodcast.

ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyMotherDirt’samazingAO+Mist.Manyofusrealizejusthowimportantthegutmicrobiomeistohealthandarefamiliarwiththingslikeprobioticsandfermentedfoodsthatcanhelpoptimizeguthealth.Butdidyouknowthatourbodiesaremadeupofmanybacterialecosystemsandthatwithoutthem,ourhealthwouldcrumble.Ourskinisthelargestecosystemormicrobiomeandoftenitneedsalittlehelp.ModernhygieneproductsdepletethenecessarybeneficialbacteriaonourskinandtheAO+Mist’spatentedAmmonia-OxidizingBacteria(AOB)workbyconsumingtheammoniainyoursweatandproducingbeneficialbyproductsforyourskin,whichbringsbalancetoyourskinbiomeandhelpsrestoreitsnaturalecosystem.WhatIloveaboutthismististhatishasalmostcompletelyremovedtheneedformetoweardeodorantsinceammoniaisthestinkypartofsweat,andithasbecomeavitalpartofmyskincareroutine.AllMotherDirtproductsareplant-basedwithminimalingredients,andtheyaregentle,effectiveandgreatforthewholefamily.Youcansave20%onyourfirstpurchasewithcodeFREESHIP20atmotherdirt.com/wellnessmamatolearnmoreandbuynow.

ThisepisodeisbroughttoyoubyPerfectKeto.Ihaveheardfromalotofyouwhoaretryingtheketodietrightnow.AndPerfectKetohasseveralproductsthatmakeitsomucheasierandtastier.Theyhaveketo-friendlysportsdrinkswithzeroadditives,zerocarbs,andonlyhigh-qualityingredients.AndI'vegottensomanyquestionsaboutthis.Theyalsohaveexogenousketonesthatraisebloodketonelevelsupto1.5millimolesperliter.Sothatwouldbesimulatingafast.Alotofpeopleusetheseexogenousketonestoincreasementalperformance,andenergyproduction,andfatburningwithouttheneedtodoextendedfasting.AndPerfectKetoreallyjusthelpsmakeketosisavailabletoeveryone,everywhere,allthetimewithouttheneedtodoextendedfasting,likeIsaid.Youcancheckouttheseandalloftheirotherproductsatperfectketo.com/healthymoms.AndifyouusethecodeHEALTHYMOMS,alluppercase,youcansave20%onanyorder.

Katie:Okay.HelloandwelcometotheWellnessMamaPodcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.Andtoday'sepisodeisgoingtoansweraquestionIgetalotfromyouguysandhavenotevenmadetimetowriteaboutspecificallyyet.AndthatisFluorideandwhatitdoestoourbodies.AndIamherewithMelissaGallicowho'stheauthorof"TheHiddenCauseofAcne"and"FisforFluorite:AFeasibleFairytaleforFreeThinkers15andup."She'salsonorookiewhenitcomestoresearch.She'saformermilitaryintelligenceofficer,aFulbrightScholar,anFBIIntelligenceAnalyst,andshehasinstructedclassesfortheFBIIntelligenceanalystatQuantico,andprovidedintelligencesupportforNationalSecurityInvestigations.ShegraduatedwithhonorsfromGeorgetownandhasamastersfromtheUniversityofSt.AndrewsinScotland.She'sobviouslywell-educated,well-traveledandwell-researchedandIcannotwaittojumpin.So,Melissawelcomeandthanksforbeinghere.Melissa:Thankssomuchforhavingme,Katie.Katie:LikeIsaid,Icannotwaittojumpin,andIalsoshouldsayIhavehadalotofpeopleonthispodcast,andIthinkyourbiomaybeoneofthemost-impressive.Thatisalotofthingsinonebio,andIlovethatyouhaveobviouslyaveryanalyticalandresearch-basedbackground.Ithinkthatcouldbereallyimportantsincewe'regonnagodeeponatopicthatisprettycontroversialwhichis,fluoride.So,tostartoff,Ilovetojusttalkaboutfluorideingeneral.LikeIsaid,it'sacontroversialtopic,butI'dloveifyoucouldstartwithjustexplainingwhatitisandwhenandwhyit'sused.Melissa:Sure.So,mostofusknowfluorideasadentaltreatment.Andthat'salwayshowIlookatitaswell.I


3

usefluorideinmytoothpaste,andIwouldgetfluorideatdentaltreatmentswhenIsawthedentisttwiceayear.AndIdidn'treallythinkmuchaboutit.Ididn'tlearnuntillaterwhenIdiscoveredmysensitivitytoitthatthecontroversyreallydoesgoverydeep.Andtheothersideofthestoryisthatfluorideisalsoacommonairpollutant.Wedon'trealizethisnowbecausetherearealotofrestrictionsaboutfluorideandhowitcanbeemittedintotheatmosphere.Butbackinthe1930sandthe40swhentheyfirststartedstudyingfluorideasapotentialdentaltreatment,thatiswhentheywerehavingalotoftroublewithfluorideasanairpollutant.Andtheyweregettinglawsuitsfromcoasttocoast,andit'sverycommonwithaluminumsmelter,andbrickandtilemanufacturers,anythingthatdealswithminingoperations.So,fluorideisacommonelementintheearth'scrustandwheneveryou'reminingandtearingapartrock,you'rebasicallygoingtohavefluorideasabyproduct.So,notonlydidtheyhavethisbyproductbecausetheydidn'thaveanythingtodowithit,buttheywerealsoliableforlawsuitsfrompeoplethatwerenoticingproblemsnotjustwiththeirpersonalhealth,butwithagriculture.Tensofthousandsofacreswereruined,becauseoffluoridepollutionintheearly20thCentury.So,that'stheothersideofthestoryisthepollutionstorythatyoudon'toftenhearwhenyoujustthinkoffluorideasadentaltreatment.Katie:Interesting.Yeah,IhaveresearchedfluorideprettyheavilyandIknowthatthat'snotoneofthemorecommonthingsthatcomesup,andobviouslyitismorewell-knowninthedentalworld.SoI'mcuriousbeforewemoveonifyouhaveanyresearchfromwhatyoufoundon,isitactuallyeffectiveinadentalcapacity?Andifso,shouldweactuallybeingestingit?Orwhatisitsmechanismthat'seffectiveifany?Melissa:Sotheystartedaddingittothewatersupply.Inthemid-40swaswhentheydidthefirsttrial.Andby1950theysaid,"Yes.Thisisgreat.Weshouldalladdittoourwater.Andthereasonwasbecausetheythoughtthatitpreventeddentaldecay.Andovertheyearsthathaschanged.Andnowit'ssupposedlymoreofatopicalapplicationthatiseffectiveinpreventingdentaldecaynotsomuchingestingit,sothere'salotofwastedfluoride,andalotofpeoplewhoareexposedtofluoridethatdon'treallyneeditbecausetheirteetharealreadyformed.So,there'salotofcontroversyonhoweffectiveitiswhenyou'reconsumingitinthewatersupply.Andalotofdentiststhinkit'smoreofatopicaleffectiveness.Formepersonally,sinceI'msosensitivetoitandalltheresearchI'vedoneIdon'trelyonfluorideatallformydentalcare.Ithinknutritionisamuchmoreimportantfactor.Iknowyougotothatthroughthatin-depthonyoursite.Sopersonally,Idon'tthinkit'seffective,butinthedentistryworld,ofcourse,there'salotofdifferentopinionsonthat.Katie:Forsure.That'swhatIfoundinresearchingaswellinthat,Iactuallyhaveareallyclosefriendwho'sadentist,andhesaidthereissomeresearchitcoulddefinitelybearguedbothwaysasfarasifit'seffectiveinthemouthonteethdirectly,I’mlikeyouavoiditcompletelybecauseI'msensitive,butasfarasconsumingitandingestingit,he'slikethatwouldkindofbetheequivalentofeatingBand-Aidsbecauseyouhaveacut,likeitworkstopicallythatdoesn'tmeanyouneedtoeatit.Sothat'skindofthewayIlookatit.ButformeatleastcomingfromhavingHashimoto'sandthyroidissues,Ireallydon'thandlefluoridewell,andIknowthatyousaidyoudon'thandleitwelleither.Butyou'vewrittenin-depthaboutthis,andoneoftheproblemsit'slinkedtoisacnefromwhatyou'vefound.So,canyouwalkusthroughhowyoucametotheconclusionthatFluorideislinkedtoacne?Melissa:Sure.So,thisiswhatmademeinterestedinFluoridewasbecausethroughmyjobandthroughschool,IstudiedabroadandIlivedabroadinalotofdifferentplaces.AndInoticedthatmyskinwaseffortlesslyclear,andseveralcountries,Senegal,Tunisia,Scotland,theCaribbean.AndthenassoonasIcamebacktoUnitedStates,evenifitwasjustforlikeaweek-longvisitIwouldstarttogetacneagain,butreally


4

painfulcysticacnethatwasreallystubborncyststhatformaroundyourjawlinearoundyourmouth,andultimatelyIhaditlikeallovermyface,andmyneck,mychin,myback.So,itwasprettyextreme.Andthiswentonforalmosttwodecadesjustofmovingbackandforth.AndeverytimeIlivedabroad,Ithought,"Oh,Imusthavefigureditout."Or,youknow,thislasttimeitwasinScotlandwhenIdidmyyearasaFulbrighter,anditwascompletelyclear,Iwasinmy30sandIthought,"Okay.IthinkI'vefinallyoutgrownacne."ThenIreturnedtothestatesanditwasworsethanever.Sothat'swhenIthought,"Okay,there'ssomethingcausingmyacnethatI'mbeingexposedtohereinthestatesthatI’mnotexposedtointheseotherplacesI'velived."AndfirstIthoughtmaybelead,becausethat's,youknow,atoxinthatyouthinkabout.Iknewitwasthewater,becauseIcouldevenkindoffeelitwhenIwashedmyface,likeitdidn'tfeelclean,Ifeltlikeitleftthesheenonmyface,likeIwashavingareactiontoit.SoIthoughtitwaslead,thenIthoughtmaybesomethinginthepipes,likecopperpiping,andthenIthought,youknow,maybeit'sthefluoride.AndIhadreadafewjournalarticlesthatsaid,"Topicalfluoridecancauseacne."Andthere'salotofcasestudiesaboutthat.SoIhadcutouttoothpaste,andIstoppeddrinkingteawhichisanothersourceofFluoride.SoIdidn'tthinkthatIwasbeingexposedtofluorideoutsideofthewater.SoIdecidedIwouldtestitthroughjustswitchingmywatersourceandseeifmyskinclearedup.AndIsawamajorimprovement.Itdidn'tcompletelygoaway,butIsawamajorimprovement.SoIthought,"Okay.Maybethisisoneofthefactorsinmyacne."AndthenIstartedtorealizefluorideisinalotofotherthingsbesideswater.AndasIeliminatedthosesources,itwaskindoftrialanderror,I'dgetabigflareuponmyskin,andthenIwoulddotheresearchandfindoutthatsomethingIhadeatenthatdayorprior24hoursit'sabouthowlongittakesforthatreactiontodevelopwashighinfluoride.AndwhenIfinallyfiguredoutallthemainfluoridesourcesinmydiet,myskinwasperfectlyclearjustlikeitwaswhenIlivedabroad.So,Istartedwritingaboutthisonline,andIwasmadeisthatthepeoplethatIcontactedwhosaidthattheyhadthesamecondition,youknow,theywerelike,"Youknow,thanksforwritingaboutthat.Ineverwouldhavethoughtaboutit."ButIstoppedconsumingthesethings,andIstoppedusingFluorideattoothpasteandmyskinclearedup.So,Ithoughttheremustbealotofus,youknow,there'speoplewhoareallergictoeverythingthesedays,youknow,soIthought,"I'llwritethisfreelittlePDFguideandputitontheInternetofjusthowtoclearacneifyouhappentohavethisweirdfluorideallergy.AndIwasreallyshockedattheamountofpeopleIheardfrom.Onewomanwrotetomeandsaid,"Yourbooksavedmylife.Ineverwouldhavefiguredthisout.”Andthat'swhenIthoughtIneedtomakeaproperbook,putitonAmazonsopeoplecanseeit.SoIdidtheself-publishbook,andthenallofthesereviewspeople,thathadacnefor30years,anditwasreallywhenIwasresearchingforthatbigbookthatIrealizedthisisn'tjustme,thisisn'tjustafewpeoplewithaweirdallergy,it'sactuallyverycommon,andit'sjustnotdiagnosedbecausemostpeopledon'tknowhowfluoridehasinfiltratedthefoodsupply.Katie:Yeah.That'sagoodpoint.Ithinkyou'reright.It'seasyformostpeopletorealizeinthedentalworld,andmostpeople,maybeyou'reawarethatit'sinourwatersupply,butwedon'tthinkaboutthefactthatobviouslyourwatersupplyisusedincreatingourfoodsupply,orifyoudrinkwateranywherebuthomeit'sstillthewatersupplyevenifyou'refilteringathome.ButIfeellikethisissoreminiscentofmystory.Likewhenwehaveourownstruggle,we'reobviouslythemost-motivatedtofigureouthowtofixit.Andformethatwasthecasetoo.Ittookmeyearsofresearchandtalkingtodoctorsandfindingadoctorwhowouldworkwithmetofindmyownhealthanswers.Anditsoundslikethiswasyoursaswell,butI'mreallycurious,whydon'tyouthinkthatadermatologisthavefiguredthisoutyet?


5

Becauseobviously,theymusthavepeoplecominginallthetimewithacne,andtheywannabeabletogivethemasolution.Whydoyouthinkthatmaybetheconventionalworldisnotconnectingthesedotsyet?Melissa:Well,Iusedtothinkthattheyhadn'tfigureditout.ButrightnowI'mreadingabookbyGeorgeWalbardwhowastheworldfamousallergistbackinthemid-20thCentury.Andhe'swritingaboutSkinnerOptionsfromfluoride,chronicfluorideintoxication,whichisexactlywhatIhave.So,Iamnotthefirstpersontofigureitout.There'sdefinitelybeenothers.Andhisbookiscalled,"StrugglewithTigans"Andhetalksabouthowhisresearchwassuppressed,andhowhisnamewasdisparaged,andhowhejustcouldnotget,youknow,therecognitionthatthisproblemneededeventhoughhetriedsohardforsomanyyearstoreallyraisetheredflagaboutfluoride.Butdermatologistshaven'tlookedatitbecausetheytendtofocusonpillsandcreamsandtreatmentsthatcanbeadministered.Whereas,fluorideisjust,youknow,reducingitinyourdiet.There'sreallynotalotofmoneyinthat.AndJohnsHopkinsdidastudyin2002andtheylookedatalltheliteratureonacnefromthesecondhalfofthe20thCenturyandtheyfoundthat99.6%ofallthepublishedstudiesfailedtoevenmentiondietletaloneactuallystudyitastherootcauseofacne.So,they'vegottenalittlebitbetterwiththatrecently,andmostlyit'sthankstothepaleomovement,thosedoctorswhoarereallyinterestedinPaleohavestartedtostudydietmoreasacauseofacne,andthey'vebeenabletogetfundingforthosestudiesthroughliketheNationalMeatindustrytrainingCouncilofAustraliahasfundedstudiesaboutthePaleodietandacne.So,they'remakingprogresslookingatdietmore,butFluorideisjustsoinvisibleandit'ssoinsidious.Youwon'tseeitonanylabels,andit'sreallyofftheradar.SoIthinkthat'swhytheyhaven'tnoticedityet.ButIhopenowthatthisbookisout,andmorepeoplearerecognizingthattheyhavethisconditionthattherewilleventuallybemorestudiesandit’llbemorewell-known.Katie:Yeah.I'mhopefulofthataswell.Andyoumentionedthisotherbookthatyou'rereadingthathewaslookingatfluorideinskininflammationoreruptions.I'mcurious.Isthereanylinkthatyouknowofbetweenfluorideandotherskinproblemsbesidesjustacne?IhearfromalotofmomswhohavekidswithEczema,orwomenstrugglingwithpsoriasis.I'mcuriousifthere'sanypotentialconnectionthereaswell.Melissa:Thereare.Hewritesabouthives,andhejustgenerallycallsitlikeskindermatitis.Hedoesn'tevenusethewordacne.Sobackthen,hesaysinthebookthatthereallytheonlypredictablethingabouthowabodywillreacttofluorideisthatitwillbeunpredictable.Soeveryoneisreactingdifferently.Skinreactionsarereallyjustoneofthemanyreactionsthathestudied.Hestudiedalotofgastrointestinalproblems,respiratoryproblems.Hefoundfluorideinjustrandomestplaces,youknow,thelensesoftheeye.Certainpeoplewiththeirkidneystones.Youknow,anditwasn'tlikeeverykidneystonewashighinfluoride,itwasjustcertainones.Sohewasjustattheverybeginningoffiguringouthowfluorideaffectsthebodyandwestillhaven'tfiguredthatoutyet.Katie:Thatissointeresting.Anditremindsmeofearlyinmyjourneytryingtofigureoutinbeingateenager,Ihadacneandotherskinissues,andIremembergoingtothedermatologistandthenbeingtoldIjusthaddermatitis,whichjustmeansinflammationoftheskinandwantingtoknow,"Okay.Butwhy?WhydoIhavethat?"Becauseit'snotadeficiencyoffakehormonesfrombirthcontrolpillswhichIwasn'tgonnatake.Like,"Whatisactuallycausingthis?"AndIfeellikethatissomethingI'mreallyhopinglikeyoutoseemoreandmoreofintheresearchaswemoveforward.Nowwehavetheabilitytoresearchsomanythingsiswhat'stheactualrootcauseofthis?Versusjustlikewhatcanwetreatitwith?Andthat'sreallyfascinatingthatyousaid


6

thataboutothertypesofskininflammation,becauseI'vealwayssaidcomingfromthenutritionside,theskinreallyisawindowintoourbody.Andifyouhaveanykindofinflammationoftheskinorissueoftheskin,that'ssomethingtopayattentiontobecauseit'sasignofsomethinggoingoninternallywhetheritbemaybeliver-relatedorhistamine-relatedorinthiscase,fluoride-related.Somethingyoueitherneedtoprobablyaddinortakeout.Andso,IthinkI'msogladthatyou'reraisingawarenessaboutthis,becauselikeIsaid,IthinkFluorideisoneofthosereallycontroversialones,thatsometimesevenIfeellikeifyoutrytoquestion,yougetlabeledlikeanti-scienceorthatyoudon'tbelieveintheresearch,becauseithasthisonepotentialbenefitindentistry.Thatit'soneofthethingswe'renotallowedtoquestion.HaveyourunintothatatallwithpeoplegettingangryatyouforpotentiallysayingthatFlourideisnothelpful?Melissa:Nottoomuch.Youknow,afewcommentsonTwitterhereandtherethatI'vejustkindofscrolledrightpast,butIdothinkitisabigproblemjustthestigmathat'sbeengoingalongwithit.Butwhenyou'retalkingaboutyourownbodylikepeoplethatknowmeknowIamananalyticthinker,likethat'swhatIdoforaliving.That'showI'vebeentrained.Ididn'tcomeatthisconclusionlightly,youknow,withinevenaweekoramonthorayear.Youknow,thishasbeenseveralyearsthatIhavebeenwritingaboutthisandspeakingaboutit.So,Idon'treally...peopledon'tseemtoquestionmethatmuchtomyface,Iguess.Butmaybebehindmybackthey'resayingthatI'mcrazy.ButIthinkwhenyou'retalkingaboutsomethingsopersonalandyouseethepictures,it'slikeyoucanseewhatmyfacelookedlikebefore.Andthereactionissofast,likewithin24hoursthatthisiseasyforpeopletotestoutforthemselves.So,andI'mnottryingtosellfiltersoranythinglikethat.So,Ithinkwhentheylookatallofthat,itkindofputsthingsinperspectivealittlebitmore.Andthenalsowhentheyrealizethishistoryoffluorideasapollutant,itgivesanewlighttothewholecontroversy.Katie:Iagree.Okay.So,let'sgothroughindepth.Ifsomeonehasacneorstrugglewithacneoranyskinproblemforalongtimeandiswonderingifthismightbeoneofthekeystoasolutionforthem,whatdotheyneedtolookfor?WhataresomeofthemostcommonsourcesofFluorideexposure?Iknowwetalkedaboutthedentalworld,andit'sinsomewatersupplies,butwhatelse?Melissa:Well,thefirstthingyouneedtocutoutisthetoothpaste.Sometimesthat'sthemainculpritlikeIjustheardfromawomanonInstagramwhostoppedusingFluoridewithtoothpaste,andaweeklater,herskinhadclearedup.Shedidn'thaveanymoreactivecysts,andthenwithinamonthitwasbeautiful.So,sometimesit'saseasyasthat.Andthenthenextthingisthewater.Andnotjustthedrinkingwater,buteverythingmadewithdrinkingwater.So,ready-to-make,youknow,ready-to-drinksoftdrinksandthingslikethat.Pasta,rice,evencerealthat'sbeenprocessedwithFluoridatedwater,thewayit'smade,theFluoridewillconcentrateinthecereals.Sothat'sonetolookoutforthatyouwouldn'tintuitivelythinkof.AndfluorideisalsoacommonpesticidemostlyusedinCaliforniaonraisinsandgrapecrops.Soanyjuicemadewithgrapejuice,evenifit'snotFluoridatedwater,youknow,sayit'sfromconcentrateandit'snotFluoridatedwater,itcouldstillbeveryhigh-endfluoride.TheydidatestofseveraldifferentgrapejuicebrandsandtheyfoundthatGerberwhitegrapejuicewas6.8partspermillion.Thatwasthehighest.AndthelimitforFluoridatedwaterisfourpartspermillion.Sothatreallyisquitehigh.Wine,thesamething.Butit'sjustwinefromthisonepartofCaliforniawheretheygrowalltheraisins.Soit'swinefromSanJoaquinValleyinCaliforniaiswheretheyusethispesticide,thisfluoride-basedpesticide.Andthentheotherbig


7

sourcesarepoultryproducts.Sowhenyouconsumefluoride,itbioaccumulatesinyourbones,andthenNationalAcademyofSciencesestimatesthatthehalf-lifeoffluorideis20years.So,theamountoffluoridethatissequesteredinyourbonestoday,halfofitwillstillbethere20yearsfromnow.Andthat'swhy,youknow,bodiesreactsodifferentlybecausewe'veallhaddifferentexposures.So,thesamethinghappenswithpoultrywhentheyconsumefluorideontheirfeet,itaccumulatesintheirbones.So,ifyou'remakingbonebrothwithchickensarenotorganic,thatbonebrothwillbeincrediblyhighinfluoride.Andthiswasthesourceofsomeofmybiggestbreakouts.AndIhadnoidea.IthoughtIwasbeinghealthy,Iwasmakingbonebroth,Iwasbuying,youknow,thehormone-freeantibioticfreepoultryfromwholeFoods,andIdidn'trealizethatitwouldbesohighinfluoride.NowIcanstillhavechickenbroth.Ijustknowtouselikereallystrictlyraisedorganicchickens,andIdon'thaveanyreactiontoit.Buteventhingslikechickennuggets,andtheydidastudyandfoundthatasingleservingofchickennuggetscanhavehalfachild'suppersafelimitoffluoride.So,youreallyneedtomakesurepoultryproductsareorganic.Andit'sbecausethechickenbonesaresosoftthatwhentheydebonethemtheyuselikeamechanically-deboningprocess.Alotoftheboneendsupinthesechickenproducts.Achickenhotdogs,thosearethingstowatchoutfor.Andthenthelastoneistea,blacktea,anditjusthappenstobetheonly,prettymuchtheonlyedibleplantthatnaturallyuptakesfluoridefromthesoil.So,evenifit'sorganic,itcouldstillbehighinfluorideifitwasjustgrowninsoilwherethere'salotoffluoride.Andthatisverytypicalforblacktea,greentea,butitdoesn'tcontainasmuchasblacktea.Andtherearealotofvariableslikehowlongitwassteepfor,theageoftheleaves,butsinceI'msensitive,Ijustavoidblackteaaltogether.AndthatincludesthingslikeKombucha.IheardfromanotherwomanonInstagramwhowasmakingherKombuchaand,youknow,drinking,youknow,threeglassesaday,andwastryingtoeatreallyhealthyandjustherskinwashorrible,andsherealizedthatshewassensitivefluoride.ShecutouttheKombucha,anditcompletelyclearedup.So,unfortunately,alotofthethingsthatwereallylikeinthenaturalhealthworld,youknow,Kombuchaandbonebroth,youjusthavetobecarefulwiththosethingsifyouaresensitivetofluoride.Katie:IknowI'vegotthatquestionaboutteaquiteabit.So,IwannamakesureIclarify.Sothisisblackteabeingthehighest,greenteatoalesserdegree,butherbalteasandIknowIgetthatquestionalot,youprobablydotoo,areherbalteassafe?Melissa:Yes.It'sreallyjustCamilliasinensisplant.So,likeyourtraditionalblackteaorgreentea.Whiteteaisveryyoung.Thetealeaves,sotheydon'thavealotoffluoride,buttheywillhavemorethanjust,youknow,ifyougetpeppermintteaoryerbamate,orIlikeraspberryleave,becauseIfeellikeittastes,youknow,alotlikeblacktea,butwithoutanyriskoffluoride.Katie:Gotit.Okay.So,nowlet'stalkaboutthewatersupply,becauseIknowthatIgetquestionsfromreadersaboutthebestwaytogetfluorideoutoftheirwater.Andpersonallyitreallyirritatesmethatthoseofuswhoaresensitivehavetogotosuchextremelengthsandhave,likewehavethisreallybigwholehousewaterfilterthatfiltersoutalotofstuffinourwater.Foryearswehadanunderthesinkfilteraswelltospecificallyfilterthedrinkingwaterevenmore.Butexplainhowdoweendupwithfluorideinourwatersupplyingeneral?Andwhatcanwedoaboutit?BecauselikeIsaid,itmakesmeangrythatwebasicallyunilateraldecisionwasmadetofluoride,sothennowweessentiallycan'teasilyoptout,becauseit'sinourwatersupply.So,howdoesthishappen?


8

Melissa:Yeah.It'sreallyfrustrating.LikeIsaid,thefirsttrialwasin1945.Andby1950,theU.S.governmentwentaheadandrecommendeditforeveryone.Itwassupposedtobea10or15-yearstudywithacontrolcity,sotheycouldmeasure,youknowtherateofcavitiesinthecontrolcitywhichisnotFluoridated,andintheFluoridatedtownfiveyearsin,theyjustdecided,"Oh,thisissogreat.Let'sFluoridatethecontrolcitytoo,andlet'sjustrecommenditforeveryone.Sothedecisionwasverypremature,andtheheadofthepublichouseserviceatthattimehappenedtobealawyerforthenumberonepolluter.So,I'lljustthrowthatouttherethattherewerealotofspecialinterestsinvolvedinthisdecision.Andatthetime,theyweren'tthinkingaboutthetoxicityoffluoride.Theyweren'tthinkingabouthowitcouldaffectareasotherthantheteeth.So,theyfoundfluorideaccumulationsinthebrain,andinthepinealglandhadtheheaviestconcentrationoffluorideofanyorganthat'sbeenmeasuredthatI'vebeenabletofind.So,theydefinitelyweren'tthinkingaboutthingslikethatbackinthe50swhentheydecidedtoputitinthewatersupply.Andthen,Ithinkoncethatdecisionismade,it'sreallyhardtosaythatyoumadeamistake,youknow,soIthinkthedentalestablishmentintheU.S.inthegovernmentwillbethelastonestoadmitthatthatwasaproblem.It'sjustIthinkreallyhardtoseepastlikethepossibilitythatwecouldhavebeenwrongforsolong.Buttownshavehadsuccessonanindividuallevel.So,thegovernmentjustrecommendsit.They'renotforcinganybodytoaddfluoridetotheirwatersupply.Sotherearealotoftownswherepeoplehave,justtheyvoteonitandtheysay,"No.Wedon'twantit."Andthat'skindofendofthestory.So,therehasbeenalotofsuccess.Idon'twannadiscouragepeoplefromcontactingtheirpoliticiansdefinitelyandtellingthemyoudon'twantfluorideinyourwatersupply.Alotoftownshavebeenabletopreventitfrombeingadded,orit'salreadybeingaddedandthey'vehaditremoved.So,that'sonethingatthelocallevel.Andyoucanalsofiltrateout,youknow,withreverseosmosisfiltrationisusuallytheoneIrecommend.BigBerkeyhasaspecificwaterfilter.I'veseensomereviewswherepeopletestedit,andtheydon’tthinkitremovedasmuchfluorideastheywanted.ButI'vealsoseenwhereyoujustneedtoreallystayontopofreplacingyourcartridge,soI'mnotsure.Idon'thaveanyexperiencewiththat.Iactuallymovedtoanon-fluoridatedtown.So,Idon'thavetoworryaboutit.Butthatthosearetheones,anddistillationistheotherfilterthat'sveryeffectiveatremovingfluoride.Itjustremovesalltheothermineralsaswell.So,youwannamakesurethatyou'regettingalotofmineralsinyourdietandsomepeoplewillevenaddthembackin.Katie:Yeah.That'sagoodpoint.I'vewrittenaboutthataswell.Youdefinitelydon'twannatakeeverythingoutandnotputitbackin,becausethenthewaterwillpullthatfromyourbodytoneutralizeitself.Butitjuststill,itbogglesmymindwiththeburdenofproofthattheyplacedontestinganythingthesedaysthattheyactuallydidatestonpeopleinthetownforthisandthendecidedbeforeitwasevendonetojustadditacrossthecountryasageneralrecommendation.Itjustcompletelybogglesmymind.Butthat'sreallyencouragingthatplacesaresuccessfulsometimesingettingitoutofthewater,becauseIknowitcanbehardtogobackwards.Andsothat'sreallyencouragingtohear.I'dloveifyoucouldexpoundonthepinealglandalittlebitmore,becauseI'veseensomeresearchasfarasFluorideactuallykindofcalcifyingthat,andwhatthekindofproblemsitcancauselateron.AndI'mcuriousifyouhaveseenthatresearch,andifyoucouldspeaktoit.Melissa:So,therewasagradstudentintheUK,andIthinkitwasinthe1997andthelate90’s,hernameisJenniferLuke.Andshedissected11humanpinealglandsandfoundhighestconcentrationsofanyorganinthehumanbody.AndIthinkthat'scrazythatthatresearchwasdonebyagradstudentintheUK,andwehadbeenFluoridatingfordecadesatthattime,andnoonewaslookingatthat.Youknow,weknowthatthepineal


9

glandisresponsiblefor,youknow,sleep,youknow,andcontrollingdifferenthormonalrhythmsofthebody.So,weknowit'saveryimportantbrainorgan,andit'sreallyamazingtomethatthathasn'tbeenmoreofafocusofresearch.Ithinkwhenpeoplehearofpinealglandtheythink,"Oh,thirdeye."Like,"Whoa,you'rereallyoutthere."Butitisanactualbrainorganinourbrain.So,Ithinktodiscountthat,itcancalcifywithfluorideisreally,reallyprettyunscientificwaytoapproachit.Andthen,there'satoxicologistAlysonLenoxwhoalsostudiedhowfluorideaffectsthebrain.Andshewasthefirsttoxicologisttorunadentaltoxicologyprogram.ShewasatHarvard,theybroughtherovertoadentalcenterinBostontostartthisdentaltoxicologyprogramandhersupervisoraskedhertolookintofluoride.Andshedidn'tthinkanythingofit.Shejustthought,"Okay.Thiswillbelikeaninterestingstartingpoint."Youknow,shedidn'treallythinktherewouldbeanytoxicity.Butwhentheystartedtheirresearchonrats,andtheyrealizedthatfluoridewasaccumulatinginthebrain,anditiscrossingthebloodbrainbarrier,shewasjustshocked.Andso,shepublishedherresearchinarespectablejournal,andshethoughtalloftheofficialswouldbereallyimpressedandlike,"Wow.Weneedtotakeactiononthis.Weneedtolookintothisfurther."Butinstead,allherfundingwaspulled,andshelostherjobbecauseshecouldn'tdoanymoreresearch.So,youcanseeinterviewswithheronline.It'sreallycrazy.Theyjustdidn'twanttoseethisresearch.Andnowalmost,youknow,20yearslater,there'salotmoreresearchabouttheneuro-toxiceffectsoffluoride.Andin2012,Harvardresearchersdidmeta-analysisofallthescientificliterature.Andtheyfoundstrongindicationthatfluorideadverselyalterscognitivedevelopmentinchildren.Andtheysaidthisshouldbeahighresearchpriority.So,theNationalToxicologyProgramin2015wroteupaproposalandtheyadmittedthattheexistingresearchislimited,anditsabilitytoevaluatehowfluorideisaffectingthecognitivedevelopmentofchildren.So,Ithinkthatisjustterrifying,andinlightofthat,weneedtostopfluoridationimmediatelyuntilwecanfullystudythat.So,you'realreadyseeinglikepress-releaseofthisIseefromtheAmericanDentalAssociationsaying,"Oh,here'sastudy,andit'sjustreaffirmingthatfluorideiscompletelysafe."Butthatwasjust2015whentheyadmittedthatscienceislimited.So,there'snowaythatwe've,youknow,provedbeyondashadowofadoubtthatfluorideissafeforchildren.Therewasanotherstudythata12-yearstudy,U.S.-fundedthattheydidinMexico,andtheyfoundasignificantdropinIQforeveryhalfamilligramoffluoridethatpregnantwomenwereexposedto.So,Ifeellikethere'sjustsomanyredflagsthatwereallyneedtoendfluoridationrightnow,andinthemeantimeweneedtobefilteringfluorideoutofourwaterespeciallyifyou'repregnantandyouhaveyoungchildren.Katie:Iabsolutelyagree.AndI'vefeltthatwayforyears,andI'vebeensayingthattoclosefriends,somethingIdoneedtowriteabout,andI'llmakesuretolinktoyourbookwhenIdo.But,like,basedoneverythingyoujustsaid,I'mthinkingasamom,evenifwethoughtthatitmighthavesomedentalbenefits,whenyou'resayingthingslikeitaffectstheIQ,anditaffectsthepinealgland,which,bytheway,secretesmelatoninwhichyouneedforsleep,whichwealllovewhenourchildrendo,nottomentionthatmelatoninisinvolvedinlikethingslike,youknow,correctdevelopmentofreproductiveorgansandthecircadianrhythmthatyou'resetwithforlife.Like,theseareallveryimportantthings.So,evenifitwasjustoneofthose,asmoms,I'vealwaysfeltlike,"Shouldn'twetakeastepbackandgomaybeuntilweknowforsurethatit'snotdoingthis,weshouldavoiditinourchildren."


10

Andthatcanmeanevenespeciallyatthedentalofficebecausethatisaplacewherekidsgetalotofexposure.IknowthatI'veseennurserywaterinbottleswhichareplastic,whichisawholeanotherproblem,butspecificallymarketedtobabiesthattheyneedmorefluoridewhichbogglesmymind.ButIcanonlyspeakfrommypersonalexperience,IhaveneverletmykidshaveFluorideintheirteethintheirtoothpasteoratthedentalofficeandwefilterourwater.Andanecdotally,Ionlysamplesizeofsixkids,butnoneofthemhaveever,everhadacavityforwhatit'sworth.ButI'mcurious,yourtakeonthisspecificmarketingoffluoridetochildrenandhowweasmomscankindofoptoutofthat.Melissa:AmericanDentalAssociationhasgonebackandforthonsayingyoushouldnot,youknow,"InfantFormula,don'tmakeitwithFluoridatedwater."Andthentheysaid,"Oh,it'sokay."YoucanmakeitwithFluoridatedwater."So,Idon'tthinktheyreallyknow,buttheywantittobesafe,youknow,justlikethey'vealwayswanteditfluoridetobesafe.ButIthinkthesciencejustisn'tthere.Like,it'sjusttoomuchofarisk,andlikeyousaid,youcanpreventcavitiesjustbyhavingreallysolidnutritionandrestrictingsugarandcarbohydratesfromyourchildren'sdiet.So,it'sreallynotworthit.AndIthinkthenurserywaterwithfluorideisjustreally,reallyabadidea.Katie:Agreed.Andthatwouldbemychallengetoanymomslisteningwhohavebeenonthefluoridebeenwagonbefore,especiallywithingestingFluoride.Ifyoucanacknowledgethat,youthinkthatingestingfluoridecouldhelptheteethbybeingconsumedinternally.Then,it'slogicalthatyouwouldalsohavetoconsiderthatwhatweingestinourfood,inoursupplementalsoaffectstheteethwhenwecantakeitinternally.AndI'vewrittenaboutthatthere'salotofresearchaboutfatsolublevitaminsandmineralsandhowtheyinteractwithoursaliva,andinsidetheteethtocreatestrongerteethandtoavoidcavities.So,Iwouldsaylikeresearchthatifyou'vebeenjustrelyingonfluorideasadentalaidtohelpavoidcavities.ThereareotherwaysthatIwouldarguebasedontheresearcharemoreeffectivetobeginwith.

ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyMotherDirt’samazingAO+Mist.Manyofusrealizejusthowimportantthegutmicrobiomeistohealthandarefamiliarwiththingslikeprobioticsandfermentedfoodsthatcanhelpoptimizeguthealth.Butdidyouknowthatourbodiesaremadeupofmanybacterialecosystemsandthatwithoutthem,ourhealthwouldcrumble.Ourskinisthelargestecosystemormicrobiomeandoftenitneedsalittlehelp.ModernhygieneproductsdepletethenecessarybeneficialbacteriaonourskinandtheAO+Mist’spatentedAmmonia-OxidizingBacteria(AOB)workbyconsumingtheammoniainyoursweatandproducingbeneficialbyproductsforyourskin,whichbringsbalancetoyourskinbiomeandhelpsrestoreitsnaturalecosystem.WhatIloveaboutthismististhatishasalmostcompletelyremovedtheneedformetoweardeodorantsinceammoniaisthestinkypartofsweat,andithasbecomeavitalpartofmyskincareroutine.AllMotherDirtproductsareplant-basedwithminimalingredients,andtheyaregentle,effectiveandgreatforthewholefamily.Youcansave20%onyourfirstpurchasewithcodeFREESHIP20atmotherdirt.com/wellnessmamatolearnmoreandbuynow.

ThisepisodeisbroughttoyoubyPerfectKeto.Ihaveheardfromalotofyouwhoaretryingtheketodietrightnow.AndPerfectKetohasseveralproductsthatmakeitsomucheasierandtastier.Theyhaveketo-friendlysportsdrinkswithzeroadditives,zerocarbs,andonlyhigh-qualityingredients.AndI'vegottensomanyquestionsaboutthis.Theyalsohaveexogenousketonesthatraisebloodketonelevelsupto1.5millimolesperliter.Sothatwouldbesimulatingafast.Alotofpeopleusetheseexogenousketonestoincreasementalperformance,andenergyproduction,andfatburningwithouttheneedtodoextendedfasting.AndPerfect


11

Ketoreallyjusthelpsmakeketosisavailabletoeveryone,everywhere,allthetimewithouttheneedtodoextendedfasting,likeIsaid.Youcancheckouttheseandalloftheirotherproductsatperfectketo.com/healthymoms.AndifyouusethecodeHEALTHYMOMS,alluppercase,youcansave20%onanyorder.Katie:Okay.So,wetalkedaboutthecommonsourcesofFluorideexposure,andhowwecanfilterourownwaterandwhatwecandoathome.Isthereanythingelsewecando?Iknowthatyou'reworkingonapetition,butisitpossiblethatwecanneverreversethistrendcompletelyandgetridofFluorideinourdrinkingwateracrossthecountry?Melissa:Idothinkso.Ithinkitstartsatthelocallevel.LikeImentioned,they'realreadyhavingsuccesswiththatyouknow,incitiesaroundthecountry.Andmomsreallyhaveanadvantagethere,becauseIthinkwhenamomtalkstoapoliticalrepresentative,theyknowhowseriousyouareabouthealthissues.So,Ithinkthat'sagreatplacetostartit'sjustbycallinglocalpoliticians.ItalkedtoonewomanrecentlyandshesaidwhenItalkedtomylocalrepresentativeandItoldthemaboutfluorideandhowdangerousitis,andIdidn'twantitinthewater,andtheyreallythankedmebecausetheydidn'tknowthisinformation.So,Ithinkjustsharingthisothersideofthestorywithyourlocalrepresentativescangoalongway.Andtherearealotoftownswhoarechangingtheirmindaboutfluoride.Andthenonthenationallevel,Istartedapetitionatchange.org,justbecauseIdidn'twantpeopletogetallriledupaboutfluorideandnothaveanythingtheycoulddoaboutit.So,ifyougotoapetition.projectfree.me,[email protected],andyou'llhaveachancetosignthat.AndIjustthinkassoonasthefederalgovernmentstopsrecommendingit,youknow,theycanjustsay,"We'regonnaleaveituptothestates,orwe'llleaveituptotheindividualwater,youknow,sapolities.”Ithinkit'sgoingtojustend,butitcostsalotofmoneytoaddfluoridetothewater.Thesechemicalsarereallydangerous.There'sbeenalotofincidentswhere,youknow,it'sdangerousfortheworkerstherewhoareaddingthefluoridetothewater.Andifsometimesthey'reaccidentallikeover-fluoridationsituationswherepeoplehavedied,or,youknow,peoplewithkidneydiseasewillhaveareallyhardtimeprocessingthatextrafluorideinthewater.SoIdon'tthinktownsnecessarilywanttobedoingit,butthey'rejustdoingitbecauseit'srecommended,and,youknow,they'retryingtohelpthecommunitypreventcavities.So,Ithinkoncewegetoverthatliketippingpointwhereenoughpeopleknowthefullstoryoffluoridation,wewillbeabletoenditonthenationallevel.Andso...oh,andtheotherthing,Ithinkit'sjusthavingconversations,youknow,likeyouandIarehavingrightnow,sharingourexperience,becausewhenpeople,youknow,realizethatyou'vedoneyourresearchandthatyou'veseenhowthisaffectsyourbodyoryouknowpeoplethataresensitivetoit,we'restartingtobemorefamiliarwithallofthesecrazyallergies.So,Ithinktheideathatpeoplearesensitivetofluorideisn'tthatforeigntomostpeopleanymore.Katie:Yeah,exactly.Likemyreasoncomesfromthethyroidbackground,again,andthat'spartofmymedicalrecordthatI'mactuallysupposedtoavoidfluorideandeventoomuchiodineforreasonsthathavetodowithuptakeandthyroidtissue.ButthepointbeingthattherearepeoplelikeyouandIwhoareaffectedbythisinanegativeway.Andforpeoplewhostillthinkit'sagoodidea,theycanbuyfluorinatedwater,ortheycanusefluorideatthedentist'soffice,orusetoothpastewithfluoride,whereaswecan’teasilyoptoutofitrightnow.AndIthinkthat'stheimportantthingtoconsiderevenifyou'relisteningandyouarepro-fluoridethat'sfine.AndobviouslyyourdecisionandIrespectthat,butthat'sstilladecisionthat'sbeingmadeforalotofpeoplethatwecannoteasilyoptoutof.Alotofpeoplecan'taffordhugewaterfiltersthatcostthousandsofdollars


12

toavoidfluorideandtheirhealthissufferingatthemeantime.So,Ilovethatyouarebringingawarenesstothis,andI'mhopefulthatthroughthingslikeyourpetition,andlikeyousaid,allofusworkingonagrassrootslevelthatmaybewecanseesomebigchangesonthisinthefuture,andalsoIthinkthat'sagreatpointwhenitcomestoanyaspectofhealthorlife.Like,ratherthanwaitingforthefederalgovernmenttostepinanddosomething,wecanallstartmakingchangescertainlyinourownhomesandthenbeyondthatinourowncommunitiesandstatesbecauseyoucanjustworkalotmoreeasilyandmorequicklywhenyoustartwiththegrassrootslevelandbuildfromthere.So,Ilovethatyouarebringingawarenessaboutthis.I'mcurious.AnotherthingIliketoasktowardtheendofinterviewsisarethereotherthingsaboutyourareasofexpertise,sofluorideinthiscase,thatyoufeelthatpeopledon'treallyknoworunderstand?Melissa:There'ssomuchaboutfluoridethatIdon'tthinkpeopleunderstandjustbecausewe'vebeensofocusedonFluorideasthedentaltreatment,butIthinkthebiggestthingsistheydon'tunderstandthepollutionangle.SothatreallychangesthingswhenyoulearnthatitwastheUSDAsaidthat,youknow,surelyfluoridehascausedmoredamagetodomesticcropsthananyotherairpollutants.So,itwasn'tjustoneairpollutant.Itwasamajorpollutant.AndIthinkpeopledon'tknowthatit'sapesticide.Thatreallyseemstoshockpeoplebecausethenyouthink,"Wow.It'skillspests,youknow,whatisitdoinginmybody?"That'sanotherbigredflag.Andyoucanactuallyseethechronicfluorideintoxicationonyourteeth,onyourchildren'steeth.Sodentalfluorosisisaverycommonsignthatyou'vebeenexposedtotoomuchFluorideduringthoseyearswhereyourteethwereforming.AndIactuallyhavedentalfluorosis.SothatshowswhenIwaslittleIwasIwasconsumingtoomuchfluoride.Andinthe80s,itusedtobeaboutaquarterofadolescence,youknow,hadthisdentalfluorosis,that'ssometimesitcanbelikeadarkstainonthetooth,oritcanbelikeanopaquepatternwherethetoothkindoflooksclearincertainpartsorlikebrightwhitesplotches.Soitmanifestsindifferentways.Anditusedtobeaboutaquarterofchildrenhaddentalfluorosis,andtheydidanotherstudyintheearly2000s,andithadrisentoover40%.Soit'srising.Themorefluorideinfiltratesourfoodsupplythroughpesticidesandthroughthewatersupply.SothosearejustafewofthethingsthatIthinkpeopleshoulddefinitelyknowaboutfluoride.Katie:Yeah.Nokidding.AndI'msoglad.LikeIsaid,you'reraisingawarenessaboutthis.AndIhaveafewfriends,Imentionedonewho'sareallygoodfriendwho'sadentistwhotheyhaveoptedoutofofferingFluoridearequirementintheiroffice,andIhavesomuchrespectforthat,becauseIthinkjustlikeeveryotherareaofresearchwithfluoride,we'dactuallydoneedtoreevaluatefluorideintoothpasteanddentaltreatmentsandseeifthere'samore-effectiveandless-harmfuloptionnowthatwe'vegotsomuchmoreresearchtolookat.So,Ilovethatyouarebringinglighttoallofthis.Slightlyunrelated,butI'malsocuriousifthereisabookotherthanyourown,whichwillobviouslybelinkedintheshownotes,butthathashadareallybigimpactonyouthatyouwouldrecommend.Melissa:There'sanherbalistcalledofStephenHarrodBuhner.He'swrittenatonofbooksmostlyaboutplants,youknow,oneofmyfavoritesis“PlantIntelligenceandtheImaginalRealm”.He'sjustreally,everythinghewritesissofascinating.HewroteIreallypopularbookonlymedisease,buthewroteabookcalled“EnsoulingLanguage,”whichisabouthowtowritenonfiction.AndbeforeIwrotemybook,youknow,I


13

didn'tconsidermyselfawriter,Iconsideredmyselfananalyst,andIdidn'tevenknowifIcouldwriteabook.SoIreadalotabouthowtowritenon-fictioninparticular.Andhisbookreallymadeabigimpressiononme,justabouthowto,notjustpresentinformation,buttrytolikeenthrallyourreader,youknow,andtrytoreallypullthemintoastory.SoIlovethatbook.It'scalled“EnsoulingLanguage”.Andactually,whenIfinishedmybook,IsentittohimandIsaid,"I'msureyouhavelikeabigshelfofbooksthatwereinspiredbyyourbooksolenlanguage.Justputthisontheshelfnextthem.Youknow,thankyousomuchforwritingyourbook."Andtomysurprise,hereadit,andheendedupwritingtheforwardforwhenitwasofficiallypublishedinMay.SoIlovethatbookandIdefinitelyrecommenditforanyonewho'sthinkingaboutwritingorit'sreallygreatforjustanykindofcreativework.Ithelpsyoutapintolikewhatisreallyfascinatingaboutyourparticularsubjectmatterandhowtopresentthattootherpeople.Katie:Nice.IlovethatIhavenotreadthat,anditsoundsfascinating,soI'mgonnaaddittomylist.Andlastly,iftherewasapieceofadvicethatyoucouldspreadfarandwide,whatwoulditbeandwhy?AndacouplehundredthousandpeoplewillhearthispodcastsoIcanatleasthelpyougetittothem.Butwhatwouldthatadvicebeandwhy.Melissa:Myadviceisweneedtoendpublicwaterfluoridationrightnow.Itisaffectingourchildrenandoursocietyinadversewaysthatwedon'tevenknow.So,that'swhyI'mdoingthis,thisiswhyIwrotethebook,andthat'swhy,youknow,I'mdoingthesepodcasts,it’sreallynotinmywheelhouse,butIjustreallybelievethatweneedtoendfluoridation,andthatit'sgoingtohavelong-standingimplicationsthatwehavenoidea.Katie:Iagreewithyou.AndIknowallthethingsthatwe'vetalkedaboutespeciallyyourbook,and,well,bothofyourbooksandyourpetition.I'llmakesurethosearelinkedintheshownotesatwellnessmama.fm.So,ifyou'relisteninganddon'thavetheabilitytowriteitdown,justfindthelinksthere.Andwherecanpeoplefindyou,Melissa,iftheywannalearnmore?Melissa:Well,thewebsiteishiddencauseofacne.com,andthathaslinkstotheHiddenCauseofAcneonAmazon.I'mjustaboutto,bythetimethisairsIwillhavereleasedasecondbookcalled"FisforFluoride."Andthisjustlikealittlechildren'sbookstylebook,becausereadersofmyfirstbookwhoallofasuddenwanttoavoidfluoride.Youknow,it'sreallyhardtoexplainthatyourfriendsandfamilywhothinkyou'recrazy,thatyouracneiscausedbyfluoride.So,thisisjustalittlebookthatyoucansharewithpeoplethattellsthestory,thepollutionstorybehindfluoridationthatexplainshowit'sapesticide,itexplainsalloftheseadverseresearch.Anditkindofanswersthequestionof,youknow,howcouldwehavebeenwrongforsolong?It'sjustamazing.Likethatdoesn'tseempossible.Butthislittlebookisdesignedtolikegetthosemainpointsacross.SoIdon'thaveawebsiteforthatone,butI'msureyou'llhavethelinksomewhere,oryoucouldjustfinditonAmazonorwhereveryoubuybooks.Katie:Absolutely.We'llmakesurethatoneislinkedaswell.Melissa,thankyousomuchforyourworkandforspreadingthewordaboutthis.Iknowitcanbe,likeIsaid,acontroversialtopicattimes.AndIthinkyouarebringingsuchavalidandresearchbackedandcalmperspectivethat'ssoneededinthistopic,andthathopefullywe'llcontinuetoaffectchangehopefullyeventuallyatthenationallevel.SoIreallyappreciateyourworkinwhatyoudo.


14

Melissa:Well,thankyou.Thankyouforhavingmeonyourshow,Kate.Ireallyappreciateit.Katie:AndthankstoallofyouforlisteningandIhopetoseeyouagainnexttimeon"TheWellnessMamaPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

183- fluoride- the hidden cause of acne (& what to do ...obviously a very analytical and...

Documents