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UK Jha is a graduate mechanical engineerfrom University of Roorkee (Now IIT, Roorkee)and has published large number of thoughtprovoking articles. Among the many books written by him including world famous titleUtopia and Anarchy of Stars the latest ones areLost Horizon in Astrology and MandookDasaof Jaimini. Other titles likely to hit the standsare GangadharDasa, Tara Dasa, CharaDasaof Jaimini and NavamshaDasa of Jaimini. Aunique authority on Jaimini Astrology that he

learnt in his own family and from the astro-scholars of Tantrik cult, he is today much soughtafter name among the students of Vaidikastrology on account of innovative ideas, onepoint sharp logic, acute rationality and scientificapproach for dealing with the subject matter. Hehas done marvellous research on AshtakaVargaSystem of prediction that is yet to be published.Besides these he knows number of rare Dasasystems that he learnt from the scholars of secret

Tantrik cult. Few of these Dasa systems wouldappear in the pages of SA soon.

The Question ofCalculating Dasa

Period of Signs inJaimini Chara Dasa

ByU K Jha, India.

ere is an interesting dialogue

picked up from internet andplaced below before

commencement of actual discussion

related to above captioned subject. The

honest intention behind picking up this

point is to impress upon the fact that a

student ever stands confused when the

things are not logically explained to them

by their teachers. None must feel offendedor defended by the ensuing discussion

because it has been taken with a pious

purpose of explain the things in the

interest of the lovers of astrology.

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1. Visti LarsenSv: Sv: Char Dasha

Namaste.Well if it makes anydifference, Gemini will getthe extra year if Mercury is in

Virgo, but Virgo will not, butjust keep its 12 years. It works

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for us, but letssee what the future tells.Best wishes, Visti.

----- Original Message -----

From: Manoj Pathak To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:06 AMSubject: Re: Sv: [gjlist] Char Dasha

> >> >Indeed for Jupiter in Cap, Sag recieves zero years.> >For Mercury in Virgo, Virgo only gets 12 years.> >

> No this does not help. When all exalted planets get one additional year for> exaltation, debilitation planets loss of one year, then why discriminate> Mercury, the planet of astrology and the planet of Mimansa, the most> difficult and articulate form.>> I know things can be explained by using various kinds of languages, going> around in circles and leading to nowhere.>> May be future tells us something about it.

>> Manoj> ________________________________________________

Indeed for Jupiter in Cap, Sag recieves zero years.

>For Mercury in Virgo, Virgo only gets 12 years.

>

No this does not help. When all exalted planets get one additional year for

exaltation, debilitation planets loss of one year, then why discriminateMercury, the planet of astrology and the planet of Mimansa, the most

difficult and articulate form.

I know things can be explained by using various kinds of languages, going

around in circles and leading to nowhere.

May be future tells us something about it.

Manoj


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1. Dear Manoj, Namaste.We at sjvc work with the Rasi Dasa's more often than vimshottari, so we've gotthis covered.

Hence the reason for calculating a Rasi Dasa from a Varga, which we useextensively and succesfully.

Indeed for Jupiter in Cap, Sag recieves zero years.For Mercury in Virgo, Virgo only gets 12 years.

You see none of the dasa's can recieve more than 12 years, as the final amountof years aloted for these Dasa's are 144 years, always.

So after calculating the first 12 signs of Chara Dasa, one lists them once moregiving the 2nd sequence. The 2nd sequence is the same 12 signs, only their years

are: 12-x, where x is the before calculated year. This will give an end resultof 144 years passed.

This is applicable to all Rasi Dasa's, i.e. Drig, Lagnadi, Trikona, Padakrama,etc. I'm not sure about Yogardha thou. Ayur Dasa's are another topic.

Hope this helpsBest wishes, Visti.

----- Original Message -----From: Manoj Pathak To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:05 PMSubject: Re: [gjlist] Char Dasha

> Hello list,>> I was wondering in a method of calculation of Char Dasha, there is a method

> which says that for debilitated planet you need to deduct one year and for> exalted planet add one year to the dasha period. Now for Saggitarius,> Jupiter placed in Capricorn dasha becomes zero but for Mercury placed in> Kanya, the dasha of Kanya is not taken as 13 years. Surprised am I at the> duality of statements here.>> Manoj> __________________________________________________ >

Indeed for Jupiter in Cap, Sag recieves zero years.

>For Mercury in Virgo, Virgo only gets 12 years.

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No this does not help. When all exalted planets get one additional year for

exaltation, debilitation planets loss of one year, then why discriminate

Mercury, the planet of astrology and the planet of Mimansa, the most

difficult and articulate form.

I know things can be explained by using various kinds of languages, goingaround in circles and leading to nowhere.

May be future tells us something about it.

Manoj * * ** * * * * * * ** * * * ** * * ** * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * ** *ust few days back I chanced to go through the above correspondence (dated 05/08/2001on India Divine.Org) between Manoj Pathak and Visti Larsen about calculation of Dasa

duration of a sign vis-a-vis addition or subtraction of one year for exalted or debilitated

status of the lord of the sign. As far as my knowledge goes both are learned astrologers

engaged in teaching astrology to their students and both of them are the students of reputed

astrologers. So it is natural to construe that each of them tried vehemently to project the

views of their own respective Gurus.

The matter appears to have remained unresolved as both of them have left the matter to

unfold itself in future. However, none of them have touched upon the core issue as to why a

sign can have maximum of 12 years Dasa duration only? What is the mathematical

explanation for this.

This also presents a picture of the dilemma the students of astrology are presently passing

through. When basics are not clear a student always feels flustered. What is harm if an

exalted Mercury gives 13 years duration to Virgo or a debilitate Jupiter gives zero years

duration to Sagittarius? Why cannot this happen? What is the governing principle? None of

these (or any other) scholars have ever dwelled on this basic issue.Since, I have initiated an absorbing discussion on the various issues related to Chara Dasa

through SA I felt it appropriate to take up this issue for the benefits of the students of

astrology. Irony is that every one today is a great scholar in astrology regardless of his or her

own actual understanding of the basic principles of this divine science. So, I know that after

my exposition many would spring up to say that they knew it since beginning; albeit, none

has no where explained it till date. The above referred confabulation between the two

learned astrologers not only bears testimony to this fact but also highlights the confusion

and ignorance presently prevalent on this topic while computing the Dasa duration of anysign in Chara Dasa as dealt in JUS.


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The hidden rider in the Sutra Nathantah Samah Prayen ((I/I/29) of JUS is that the Dasa

duration of a sign would be calculated on the basis of the distance traversed by the lord from

the sign at a rate of one sign or 30 degree per year. Since the separation of the lord from the

sign cannot exceed 12 signs or 360 degrees, the maximum Dasa duration of a sign will be 12

years only. As such, an exalted Mercury cannot give more than 12 years Dasa duration to

Virgo. Similarly, in case of a debilitate Jupiter the lord has distinctly moved away from itssign and; as such, the Dasa duration of Sagittarius cannot be zero years. This mathematical

principle cannot be ignored in any case.

However; in above case neither the sign Virgo Would have a Dasa duration of exact 12 years

nor the sign Sagittarius would get exactly one year of Dasa duration.

Since, the scholars at large are not applying the above hidden principle of JUS strictly the

Dasa duration of different signs calculated for Chara Dasa as per prevalent (though faulty)

practice is mostly incorrect. For example, Virgo in above case may get even less than oneyear of Dasa duration and Sagittarius more than one year of Dasa period.

As the ancient scholars erroneously presumed that a sign occupied by its lord would always

get a fixed Dasa period of 12 years they were left with no other option but to introduce a false

assumption that one year should be deducted from the Dasa duration of the sign obtained by

counting its distance upto the lord of the sign concerned. If the above mathematical principle

for calculation of Dasa period is applied strictly no need for deducting one year arise in any

case. Because of the ignorance of this basic mathematical principle few scholars take 12 years

of Dasa period even for the sign whose lord is placed 12th to it. In this way two conditions for12 years of Dasa period come to picture. As a result no sign then gets a Dasa period of one

year in such schemes. The lack of understanding of this principle has been so glaring that

many other odd concepts with irrational suggestions have been introduced in computation of

Chara Dasa of Jaimini.

Here I need not elaborate them all because they have been touched in my article on Jaimini

Chara Dasa and have been explained in detail in my forthcoming book on Chara Dasa.

Before concluding this small write up, I would like to caution the students that each Dasa

system dealt in JUS is locked with some hidden rider and key to the same can be had only

from a learned preceptor. Those who try to understand the hidden meaning of Jaimini sutras

under the light of descriptions available in BPHS or Vriddha Karika would more often than

not land on the wrong track because author of these texts have themselves failed to reach to

the bottom of these sutras. Before someone frowns on my above suggestion I would like to

take one more example; say Drig Dasa of Jaimini. BPHS as usual has not been able to

explain it fully. Those who have deviated from there are also not found on the right track.

The concept of aspecting planet is alien to JUS. There is no sutra that can be attributed to

Divya Lagna. If we carefully read JUS we find clearly that the text has been closed in second

chapter. Sidhamanyat is a proof to it. The book has been concluded here. Other chapters or

talk of more chapters are the product of some fertile mind and pregnant ideas of few


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